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What if the life you planned falls apart and something brighter takes its place? We sit down with a writer and artist living with MS who turned a mother’s heartbreak and a tough airport moment into a creative movement powered by one simple rhythm: pause, breathe, pivot. From the birth of Cleo the Caterpillar to a forthcoming book titled I Am Cleo, she shows how self worth grows when you stop hiding, accept help, and choose a new path with intention.

We dive into the real mechanics of resilience—how to pause without getting stuck, breathe without drifting into endless reflection, and pivot without spinning in circles. She shares the walking aids that expanded her world, the illustrator who pushed her to own “real artist,” and the readers who echoed her mantra back. Music threads through her process, with Kelly Clarkson’s Broken and Beautiful surfacing as an anthem for steady, underestimated progress. Along the way, a son’s candid insight and a daughter’s essay on a meaningful life become mirrors for how adversity reshapes a family’s values.

Anchored by the quote “In a gentle way, you can shake the world,” we explore gentle influence, authentic voice, and the courage to keep your words intact while letting editors fix the commas. There’s a screenplay in the works, a growing platform, and a belief that timing can be trusted: I trust, I believe, I receive. If you’re navigating illness, career upheaval, or a dream that feels out of reach, this conversation offers practical steps and proof that purpose can bloom after plans shatter.

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Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for general informational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. The co-hosts of this podcast are not medical professionals. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast. Reliance on any information provided by the podcast hosts or guests is solely at your own risk.

Pamela Cass is a licensed broker with Kentwood Real Estate
Natalie Davis is a licensed broker with Keller Williams Realty Downtown, LLC