Flashback: Army Soldiers Come Face to Face With Bigfoot

0:00This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East. This is with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, okay, hold on. I got a new favorite food. That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try Cupid Mayon. Yeah, it's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it at the grocery store. And this mayo is different. Mm-hmm. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. Cupid only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really care about flavor use it, put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. During Lowe's pro savings days, save more on the products you count on to get the job done right. Get a free two pack of Dewalt 20 Volt Max XR 8 Amp Hour batteries. When you buy a Selex Dewalt 20 Volt Max Power Tool, plus save up to 35% on select major appliances.

1:03The right products, the right deals, ready when you need them. Our best lineup is here at Lowe's. Valentue 925, Wall Supplies Last, Selection Veris by Location. Welcome to the From the Shadows Podcast. I am your host, Shane Grove. I wanted to jump on here quick before the episode started. Let everybody know we are replaying an episode from our archives. It's one of my favorite episodes. It's one of the best big-foot episodes I think we've ever had from an Army veteran, an encounter that took place while on an exercise in, I believe, New Mexico. But the reason we don't have a new episode this week is our producer Phil, his father passed away. So of course time being what it is, there's some stuff that Phil needed to do. While we all want to get a new episode up for everybody,

2:06I think everybody will understand what Phil's kind of going through right now and just need to say some prayers for him and give him love and support. He's doing all right, but you know, need to give him some time to take care of some things, which I think we've all been there. So we appreciate everybody tuning in, take a listen to this episode because J.B. actually has agreed to come on and do a live with me in a couple weeks. Now we will not be able to show his identity because he still has high security clearance. But I want you to listen to this episode and maybe think of some questions you want to ask J.B. Leave them in the comments. And when we do the live, jump in or read your comments, your questions from the comments should be pretty cool. Like I said, this is one of my favorite episodes. He was such a great guest. I hope you enjoy the show. Like I said, you want to get in touch with us from the Shadows Podcast.com, hit the contact button,

3:11send me your story. Maybe you can come on the show. Tell me your story just like J.B. told his. So God bless. See you soon. Hey, welcome everyone to the From the Shadows Podcast. I'm your host, Shane Grove. And noticeably absent again is the super producer. Although I did get a text as we were going on to air. He is really ret, he's getting healthier. He's pretty close to being ready. He said he's excited to get back. So I think I saw today he was actually on social media a little bit. It was his birthday and people were wishing him happy birthday. So by the time this comes out, it will be a couple weeks late. But happy birthday, super producer. So if you didn't catch that, it was a birthday getting on our social media when this comes out which I'm a belated birthday. I won't tell anybody how much older he is than me, but it's a lot. Just know that. It's a lot.

4:11And I'm only saying that because he's not on air to refute that. So I just want to remind everybody that if you tune in and if you have a story or an experience you want to share with us, you can find us on Facebook on the From the Shadows Podcast Facebook page or the After the Shadows forum page. Send us a message to there. You can find me on Instagram, Shane Grove author or find us on our From the Shadows podcast Instagram page and send us a message. And the best way is our website, the From the Shadows Podcast.com and hit the contact button and send us an email. So all those ways work and whatever you're most comfortable with, feel free to reach out and I'll get a hold of you because we love to hear your stories. So our guest that we're going to have today and I think everybody should kind of buckle up a little bit, put your seat belts on if you're driving, put your seat belts on if you're not driving

5:15because I think this is going to be an episode you're glad that you tuned in to listen to. And this is this gentleman I'm bringing on. I actually saw him sharing his story on another Facebook page and I reached out to him and he was gracious enough to call me and blow me away with a great conversation and so I I'm glad he is agreed to come on and join me and talk about his experience and I think you guys will be excited for some of the input and theories this gentleman has to put forward. So JB, welcome to the show. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I like I said, I am honored that you joined us. So I want you to, I don't want to give anything away because I know we're kind of we're under a cloak of anemity and an amenity. I can't even say it.

6:22And an amenity. I can't even say it. I'm terrible. Oh my gosh, it's a good thing I was an English major. Anyway, just because I can write it doesn't mean I can speak it. We're under a cloak of darkness. So to speak. There you go. We need to keep some some mystery to your identity and so I want you to kind of introduce yourself and let's get into where you were, what you were doing, why you were there as best as you can tell. And let's just get into what your experience was. Okay, so like you said, my name is JB and I served in the army for a while. I am currently retired. Not dead retired. And I got involved in some of the upper echelon of units. And one of our little training deals

7:35was me and two other guys. We went out just outside of Alamagordo, New Mexico. And if you're familiar with the area, there's there is a very, very large military installation out in that area. I don't want to say its name, you know, you know, but we were testing out some of our equipment doing some field testing for some things. And doing day trials, night trials, things like that. And at night was when we all had our experience. And as far as I know, it's everybody's first. Everybody that was with me was their first experience as well as mine. And I have not had one since.

8:37And they have not had one since as far as I am aware. But it was one guy I'll talk about it a little bit. And another guy doesn't, doesn't even want to mention it because he's had, he's had other paranormal things happen with him. He's not real vocal about those types of experiences. Well, and I can tell, so when you, you know, when we first spoke last week, I mean, I could tell that this experience, even as you're telling, we're telling it, you know, we hadn't even really gotten into it. And I could hear in your voice, like it really shook you. And in knowing, you know, some of your background and your experience, I'm like, that really made me

9:37pause. I'm like, man, if this, if this gentleman experienced this and it shook him to this, to his core this many years later, like, how would the average person have an experience like this and not be just terrified to even step foot in the woods again? You know, that's what I took away from it. It, it wasn't like, it's not like something that you are absolutely terrified of, but you are, you're grasping at strings to try to explain to yourself and your mind what it saw, if that makes any sense. It's just, it's one of those things where you don't have that file folder in your brain, because, you know, everybody hears, you know, oh, they're bigfoot. It's out here. It's out there. It's over there, but, you know, you kind of just, you don't really think about it.

10:42And you go out and you're doing something not any, in any way, shape or form associated with any of that. And you have some weird things happening. It just, it manifests and you just, you're looking at it and you just don't know how to explain it to yourself. If that, I don't know if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah, I think it does. I think it does, especially, I think it would definitely make sense to the people that are listening that have had an experience. So, so, so describe to us then like kind of where you guys were at, what you were doing and, and how, you know, what happened, what took place? So we were up in elevation. Like I said, we were testing out some, some equipment, some of our gear. And, you know, we're basically there all day. We were there the whole day prior and didn't have anything weird happen.

11:45But that night, we had a small fire because it was kind of cold and where we came from was much lower in elevation. So we went up to where we were at. And it was like, man, I can't remember, it was, it was a difference of like maybe there was 60 degrees down where we were at. And then we went up there and it was, we expected there to be snow on the ground as the difference in temperature. If you can kind of get that in your mind, but there was no snow on the ground or anything like that. This is Matt Rodgers from Los Culturistas with Matt Rodgers and Boan Yang. This is Boan Yang from Los Culturistas with Matt Rodgers and Boan Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait, that's the reaction. A lot of people are having when they first try QB Mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before.

12:45And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. QB only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, and almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, some fans even swear by dipping pizza crust in it. And once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere. Chefs use it, restaurants use it. People who really care about flavor use it. Never try it. Grab the bottle with the red cap next time you're out of the store. Put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. So we had a little fire. We were kind of just shooting the bowl, getting ready to turn in. And my one buddy was going into his tent and he whistled this tune. And what he whistled is something

13:54that he picked up from like his grandfather. It's not like any song that you can kind of point out. It was just like this tune of, you know, I'm kind of doing something. If somebody's fixing something, they'll whistle something or if they're, is that making sense with that? Yeah, yeah. It's just a little personal thing that somebody would, you know, like annoy somebody's making. And it wasn't like he, you know, I've been working on a railroad with, you know, whistle into that, you know, right. So he whistled that. And then he goes in his tent and you hear him rustling his tent and then he just, he stops moving. And I hear it again. And for the first time thinking of it, we thought that he had whistled it again. But we quickly realized that he didn't,

14:59when he came flying out of his tent, like, did you guys hear that? And we're like, I thought it was you and he goes, nope. So we quickly changed our whole posture like somebody's out here and they shouldn't be because it was, it was on government land. There shouldn't be anybody out there, especially where we were at. So we started grabbing our, grabbing some of our gear and looking around. And when we heard it, after he said it wasn't him, you kind of like realizing you look where you heard it come from. And it's like past his tent, like 20 or 30 feet, which was right where there just happened to be a tree line. So there's this tree line back there. And once you get to that tree line, I mean, it is, it's thick. It's thick woods. And so we start going up, going towards the

16:03sound. And we're like looking, we got our flashlights and stuff like that. And we're looking, we can't see anything looking, looking, looking, going a little bit further, going a little bit further. And it was kind of weird how, and I don't remember whose light hit it first. But I'd say, just on the edge of where our flashlights light could like light something up and you can tell what it was. It was like just past that where you know your lights hitting something, but you can't tell if it's a raccoon or a cat kind of thing, if that makes any sense. So one of us hit the light on it. And it quickly turned into all three of our lights are on this thing. And you know, we still at this point don't even know what it is.

17:07But it's like this big mass. It's like a, it's something where if you look into the woods and you see it next to a tree, it's, it's not like it's out of place, but it's something that really shouldn't be there. So we're all looking at it and we start yelling like, because the first thought when we heard something whistle was, okay, there's a crazy person out here. And they're about to, they're about to get, you know, hurt or something like that because, you know, we were, we were very armed. And all kinds of stuff out there with us, but. So we're shining our lights on this thing and we're yelling. I mean, come here, make yourself known. Oh, we don't want anybody to get hurt and you know, doing the whole military thing, you know.

18:12So who's bigger and this thing kind of like slowly turned and all of our lights are on this things head. This thing turns its face towards us and we're immediately getting hit with like orange, like orange, like an amberish kind of eye shine from it, which was. I mean, you look at when you get like eye shine from a human, it's not orange. So that was the first sign, something's kind of weird. And. This thing kind of, it was crouched just a little bit where it's like, you know, if you put something in the microwave and you kind of lean in a little bit to like hit the numbers on the microwave, that's how like it was crouched. And it just turns away from us. And quickly, but very calmly walked off.

19:17And we're all, you know, we're all yelling and it was kind of just like, okay, I guess we'll shut up now. And then it was just walked off and you're looking at it, you're like, that's not a person walked off on two legs. And when we went up there, you know, it's it's nighttime is dark. We can't really see all that much. But we wanted to make sure that we had the right area because as soon as the sun was going to come up, we wanted to, you know, go back over there and check it out. And then we walked to area, we used an infrared camera light, which is basically a plastic glow stick, right, except you need night vision in order to see it. So we marked it with that. And then we marked it with. I don't know if I'm telling too much, but there's a way to take two nine volt batteries.

20:18So we, Daisy, chain them together and it creates heat. So you can see that spot with thermals. So we marked it with that on a branch. That was. It's called engineer tape. And it's called a bunch of other things like type one nylon kind of thing. But it's like it's not tape. It's just. One inch wide nylon strand. And these batteries are taped to the nylon and you connect them together and you hang it on something. So it can either be a friendlies are here or hey, this is something important or whatever. So we marked this location. And we went back to our campfire, which we promptly threw a bunch of wood on because we're sitting there like we're trying to see.

21:19Did you see that and we asked each other like was that a bear? And we're like, no, you saw its face. It wasn't a bear. Was it was it this? No, was it that? No, was it? And you know, was it somebody wearing like a bunch of clothes or something like that and what didn't really fully. We didn't really fully realize what it was until that morning. By the way, we didn't frickin' sleep. We just kind of stayed up and stayed by the fire and. If somebody started to like nod their head, we'd wake them up because nobody wanted to be the only one awake with that thing out there. And the sun comes up and we waited till it was like the sun is up enough to where you can just start recognizing features and things like that with the with the amount of sunlight that's out.

22:20So we start heading back over there. And you know, I'm a pretty strong guy and I'm pretty fast. And I'm, you know, I'm very, very good at well used to be very, very good at what I did in the military with as far as like reconnaissance tracking, you know, shooting all these things. And when we saw what we saw in the daytime, made the nighttime that much more serious if I can use that word. So the first thing we saw was the chem light that we put there the glow stick. And it was straight up ripped in half. If you bend plastic like that, it's it will turn white and it'll, you know, show signs of like heat from bending it so much and everything like that. This was straight up ripped in half.

23:30And I know I couldn't do that. I'm a pretty strong guy. So the next thing was the two batteries that we hooked together to create a heat signature where we saw it. That was moved a little bit. It wasn't where we put it. It was still on the same branch, but it was higher up on the branch. And, you know, as we're like looking at it, we're like, well, I can't reach that. Okay. They don't realize smart people use smartphones, huh? Seeing through BS, they thought was going to slide down low text now because it cuts out cloutery. You can literally activate it from your couch. Nationwide 5G with the same towers the other companies use. Hey, what you want or not at all, you're in control. Show these ridiculous carriers we ain't paying for stupid because we're way too smart to pay them.

24:35Reappase talk and text me the text now app requires Wi-Fi or data connection data plan so separately 5G were available. This is Matt Rogers from Los Cultures, that's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Cultures, that's Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. No one people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait. That's the reaction. A lot of people are having when they first try QB mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before. And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. QB only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, and almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Examages, fries, burgers, some fans even swear by dipping pizza crust in it. And once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere. Chefs use it, restaurants use it. People who really care about flavor use it. Never try it, grab the bottle with the red cap next time you're out of the store. Put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand.

25:37QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Where we saw this thing was probably 70 to 80 feet from our fire, right? So this thing came back and it was 70 to 80 feet away from us. And we didn't hear it come back. Which is troubling because every single one of us. It was very, very good at what we did. That's why we were out there testing certain stuff. And. It just kind of like once you started seeing things. You're like, okay, this is getting kind of weird. And you see these two big depressions where this thing had to have been standing. You know, and we're like nothing that you could consider like a footprint.

26:38But depressions and there about 15 to 16 inches. And we were trying to figure out, you know, how tall it was and everything like that. So we did the thing where my buddy stood where it was. And we went back to where we were when we hit it with our flashlights. And. I kind of just went like. Like sunk in my heart a little bit when I saw how short he was compared to it. While it was crouched even. So he's six two. And this thing crouched was easily a foot taller. And we could tell that based off of the branches that were on the tree. And. He's standing there and we're just looking and we're looking at each other like this can't. This can't be real. So we ended up staying out there a whole other day.

27:44And we were trying to figure out what happened. I didn't have anything, anything happened. But it was, it was interested. In what we were doing if that makes any sense. I, that's what I feel like. But I also feel like it was. I'm at a loss for words, even, even still. I'm not. Like I said, I mean, I could tell. Last week when we talked. That even that long ago is still you, you were still having trouble. Thinking about I mean, that's. I mean, 12 years long time. Right. Have it's to have it still be. That fresh. In your, in your mind. You were telling this as you were telling this, you know, as I'm hearing the story again, another thought.

28:47Entered my mind that I don't know if we talked about, but. Do so the first time you guys. You know the light you guys all the lights hit this creature and you guys are. You know, trying to get it to identify itself. And then it just kind of disappeared. How far away do you think it really went. I know you say, here's the sound. I have a leaving. Maybe it didn't go that far. Well, here's, so here's the thing about that. When it left. I mean, it wasn't like. I'm going to sprint. It just. Walked. But even though it was walking. I'm good in the woods. Those my other two buddies are good in the woods. And there's no way we would have been able to to keep up with it. Given the terrain. How thick the woods were.

29:47And just the sheer speed of this thing. I mean, it was it was gone. And it was deliberate. Like it knew where it was going. And like you said, like very little sound. Like we were looking where it went. The direction of travel. It was like. You could barely call it a game trail. Where this thing walked away. And. I have no idea how we didn't hear more noise. Or see more sign. I mean, there was not one broken branch where this thing went. There was barely foot depressions. It was something that's that tall and that wide. And I mean, how much would it. Would it possibly have to weigh unless it's like a friggin' pomeranian where 90% of its appearance is just fur. I somehow don't think that that's the case.

30:48No, I don't either. Like I don't think that's the case at all. You know, but but yeah, you make a great point. A lot of people. I mean, you hear the stories of. You know, for us as people following track lines. And then they just disappear out in the middle of nowhere. Almost like it became either it got lifted up. And. Picked up off the game trail or walked or off its flip. Print trail or walked backwards. And then X is to make you think that it got picked up out of mid air. Or all of a sudden was able to. Go in a different direction. And then it's like a white footed that it didn't doesn't leave tracks. So what's the best explanation for that? You know, but none of those are very plausible to me. I mean, so from a military standpoint, there's ways to like disguise. Where you've been.

31:48You know what I mean, especially with with numbers and things like that. Like if I'm walking in mud and you're walking behind me and you walk in the same. Footprints his mind. And the guy behind us walks in the same footprints. You know, it's more than one, but you have no idea how many. You know what I mean. And there's ways of, you know. One of the things that we used to do. Is we used to carry a broom head with us. And if we walked somewhere, we would. If we left footprints, we would get rid of some of them just with the broom head. You could still see like, you know, something was there. But it would disguise numbers and it would make it more difficult to detect if something was actually there. But this, this thing. I mean, when it turned and it turned to its right. And it was locked off, which was our left.

32:50And we went over there the next day. And we're looking and I'm like dumbfounded at where this, where could this thing have gone. Because it's taller than the branches on this barely made game trail. And you know, I don't remember seeing it crouch as it left. But it took at least five steps on two legs, right. And it was just, it was nuts. And the only time when we smelled something. And the only reason I'm thinking of it is because somebody. Somebody asked me the question on on that Facebook post. They asked, did you ever smell anything? And it was weird because we did. We all brought it up. But it was after it had gone when we smelled it.

33:52And we walked up to the area it was at. And I don't remember if it's the way the wind was blowing or anything like that. But it smelled like. And you tell me if this is in line with what people have told you. But it smelled like rotten eggs, bio, and something that had been dead for a while. Yeah, that that's a pretty common description of the smell. I mean, not that it's just everybody. The worst smells that you can imagine and you combine them in the one. And like the bio, it was so, if bio doesn't quite cut it, it was like intense bio. And I don't know if it's because we're military guys and we've been out. You know, we used to be in out for like 30 days. Sometimes without a shower. And you're like smelly each other.

34:52And you're just like this frigging gross. But it was, it was bad. Like, I mean, it was bad. But it was only for like. Maybe five seconds, right? And it almost made you like your, your gag reflex kind of act up. You're just sitting there like, what is that? And then as soon as you made mention of it, it was gone. And we're like, you know, you smelled that, right? Yeah, I smelled it. Did you smell it? Yeah, I smelled it. So it's like, what the heck was it? Well, that that's what makes me that's why I asked like. How far away maybe did it even go when that's interesting? So when when we were looking at the depressions. So there was the two depressions that were right by the tree. Where where we initially sought. And you know, there was like.

35:55It almost looked as if some of the depressions were facing 180 degrees from other ones. That meaning it was a coming route and a going route, something that it traveled before. At least one time. But it was. I want to say there was probably. And I'm trying to go off a memory here. And what what we saw in them in the daytime. But it was there was probably five. Five or so depressions. That we could see. And some of them were within that. Game trail like you could see one off to the left of it. And one off to the right. And we're just looking at each other like how how is that?

37:00How did this thing get in there? And how did it not tear half of the forest down with it when it went through? It was just something we couldn't we I still can't wrap my head around it. Yeah, and that's I mean, that's kind of. Like it seems to me like I just am thinking to me. Not knowing anything really that maybe that thing really didn't go that you know it just got out far enough away. That you guys thought it was gone. And that's why maybe you still smelled it somewhat. And that's why was he able maybe so easily to get back to where it was and mess with the with the light stick and stuff. You know, maybe it didn't you know take off and was three or 400 yards away. Wait for you guys to get a sleep. Maybe it was just maybe it knew enough that it could get just far enough away from you guys that you guys weren't going to chase after it too much.

38:01Well, since you brought that up. After I was looking back, you know, I had a lot of obviously I've had a lot of time to think about that incident. I get the feeling that it is. It wasn't worried about us catching it if that makes any sense. It's it was almost like. You can see me that's fine, but you're not getting anything else. You know what I mean? This thing knew that we were not going to be able to get after it for one reason or another. And you know with the shape that we were all in the equipment that we had. That's that's gutsy to say the least. We were.

39:03We were good. That's what you were trained to do is to go find somebody and or something and. And you know, that's what you specifically ones that didn't want to be found. It's so. I mean, that has to really be. I don't know how you wrap your. And I know you probably couldn't. I mean, it sounds like you couldn't like to sit there and think. Like that's what you guys are supposed to be able to do stuff somebody or something that doesn't want to be found. And then let's face it, big foot is the epitome of the thing that does not want to be found. And. Like what do you do? I mean, you guys are out there. I mean, you can't. I mean, you can't just let that close to you guys. Close enough that it could whistle. If for you guys to hear it, you know, really clearly. How. I mean, you guys.

40:03There's no way you guys felt comfortable of. Well, let's let's go back to where we can. You know, get out of where we're at here on the well. No, let's let's just leave. It's not that probably never crossed your mind. No. We were. In that moment after the whistle. And we started, you know, who's there kind of thing? And, you know, we're grabbing our stuff and we're moving to that area. You know, never heard noise one of this thing moving away from us and going over that tree. And we know it did because we heard it so much closer than where we saw it. And that's. That also begs the question was, was there more than one, which is kind of creepy because we only saw the one. We only heard the one barely heard the one.

41:03And we only heard it really clearly when it felt like it wanted to be heard. And that's the feeling that I got from the whole encounter. This is Matt Rogers from Los Cultures. That's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Cultures. It's Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, okay, hold on. I got a new favorite food. That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try Cupid. Yeah, it's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it at the grocery store. And this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. Cupid only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really care about flavor use it. Put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise.

42:08Other than just saying, you know, hey, did you guys see that? And everybody's staying awake. I mean, did you guys ever. Consider any other action that night while you're sitting there? It was just more let's get through the night and then and see what the morning bricks. It was it was kind of that because. A. That wasn't what we were there for. And B. It wasn't a person or a bear. So. That begs the question, what was it? You know what I mean? Yeah. You can't really go off track of what it is you're supposed to be doing. So we're just kind of sitting there. And. You know, it's like that was. That was whatever that was. You know, that's what happened. And we're going to try to get a little more information when the sun starts coming up.

43:08But going after it. Like. I mean, we saw the way it moved. And. You know, If you ever heard anybody say pick your battles. Because you can't win them all. Like, It's every day close to office. It's every day. And. But it was. That's the way it was. I mean, the way. For us to sit there and say like, there's no way. Like that's that's a whole other level of moving. And. And I, you know, I kind of think about, you know, maybe. Throughout my time in the military, maybe, maybe that's how opposing forces felt, at least a couple of times. Or it's like, there's, no, there's no way. Not not doing that. But it, but that's, that's seriously what it was where it's just like. All right. Kind of turn around and it's like, well, we lost, we lost that one.

44:09You know what I mean? It's like, that's, that's over. That whole thing's over. It can have all of my notes with how big it was and how fast it was and how creepy it was. It's. That's, that's going to stay over there. Now, if it would have came, if we would have heard it again, and if it would have came. With, you know, within a reasonable distance of where we were. There would have been a much different response because now we're going from. You know, getting after something. Now we're protecting ourselves. You see what I'm saying? And I think it understands the difference between the two. That's, that's an interesting point. Like, and we kind of touched on. Like, you know, I think you kind of brought that up that you in the mean since then.

45:11That you have. That you've kind of thought of, but a lot of thought into. How people experience these things. And. That maybe it kind of. Understood. More than what you was maybe possible. Of what you guys were doing out there and what your capabilities were. Right. And, and for something to. To have an understanding of that and to still. And I'm just going to use this term very loosely for it to understand how good we were. What we had. And to. To mess with us. That's. That shows. A high level of confidence in, in abilities. But the other, the other thing is, and I feel like we keep gravitating towards it. I feel like.

46:11I think that's. That's. That's. I mean, it's like, it's. It's like, okay, well. This person hadn't experienced two. And that person had an experience two. So let me. I look at them, look at these encounters. It seems as though, and I'm, you know, I didn't do it. I didn't say it the entire time that we talked before and I still haven't said it, but I'm going to say it now. Bigfoot is able to tailor the encounter to the individual or individuals, meaning what I mean by that is,

47:12this thing is able to understand what kind of posture you're in and by posture, I mean, like how defensive are you, how aggressive are you? It's able to kind of, like people that have these up in your face encounters, they're general people. For the most part, right? Or they don't have the capability at that time to be violent. Or they bank on the fact that I'm bigger and I'm louder and I'm stronger and I'm just going to shake this tree right next to your tent and you're going to wet yourself. So it kind of knows responses that it can get to certain actions, but it just feel, I feel like there's some level of intelligence there that goes beyond what we're able to think of as like,

48:12normal thinking, normal thought process and everything like that. It's got to have something, something a little extra to be able to decipher just by looking, right? Or feeling with something that we don't know how it feels it, but, well, like I think what you're saying is like a bear, if you ran into a bear, okay? A bear is either going to attack you or run away. It's not going to like sit there and think about it and ponder and say, does he have a weapon? Is he like going to come after me? Is he, you know, is this just an accidental meeting? Is he hunting me? Is he bear is either going to attack you or run away? Okay, a person is really the only, another human being is really the only other animal

49:13that is going to have that ability to, for a critical thought to kind of assess the situation. Right, probably solving and just like that. Yeah, and say so like, what are my chances here? Or if I push the envelope or should I just turn around and leave, or can I scare these people really good? And they're not going to, like you said. And yeah, so I, I mean, that's the, I started thinking about what, when you said that, and I thought, you know, that does seem to be a real consistent, a real consistent throughline is that a lot of people, unless it seems like the ones that seem to be very violent or there is a adverse reaction from the creature, our ones, when somebody has a gun and has it in a manner

50:15of which the animal or the creature thinks it might be in danger of being shot or maybe you're getting too, you're in an area where maybe you're too close, you shouldn't be. Right, so that was, I want to get you out of there. Yes, that was the other thing we talked about. The other deciding factor in how these things act or react to whatever it is we're doing, it seems to be, and you know, I don't know this for a fact because I've never been invited for tea over at Bigfoot's house, but it's like, it feels like if you're closer to the front porch, so to speak, you're going to get a different action slash reaction to you being there and you doing stuff as opposed to if you're, you know, along a trail or a path that they may use or something

51:15like that, it's like you're going to garner probably a more calculated gentle response to something. Because this thing never, it never once like screamed or yelled or anything like that, but it didn't have to. I think it knew that we understood how just by how it moved that, okay, maybe don't mess with it because, you know, you have those kinds of people in the military where you look at a certain individual, you know, they've got all their gear on and they just kind of look, when you use a military term, they look squared away, and you know, you kind of think, where, where I, his enemy would I mess with him? And the answer is probably no.

52:18That's kind of the way it felt when it just kind of like walked off and it's taken like one step and it's already almost out of you and you're just like, okay, I think I'm just going to leave it alone. And we're just kind of looking at each other, just dumbfounded. And that's the only word that I can use to describe the encounter is it takes a lot for somebody at that skill level and that aptitude with that equipment to be put in their place, if that makes sense. And just watching that thing move the way it did, put us in our place fairly easily. And I think it understood what it was going to take. So look, not as you had time to think about it, what do you think the encounter would have been,

53:20had one of you guys pointed a weapon at it? I think it probably would have, it would have probably been very similar to what happened. You know, it's still going to ex fill the same way. It's going to move probably the same way because once you see it turn and pick its head up, that's it. It's like that's definitely not some weirdo out in the middle of the wilderness, it's not a bear. So that is a stimulus in itself that you have to process before you can react to it, does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, because you still don't, even though you know it's not a bear, and you're not, you're pretty sure it's not a human,

54:23it's still you don't know what it is to just start shooting, right? I mean, right. Cause you're not, like you said, that's not what you're there for anyway, and you're not trying to protect yourself, really, you're just trying to figure out what is out there. So yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, if you guys, if you guys didn't, so I'm just going to like all the shows and stuff I hear were, hey, we need to, we need to kill one and bring it in. I'm just putting it out there. If you three were that close to one equipped, like you, I'm suspecting you guys would probably equip, if you guys didn't do it, I'm not sure anybody's doing it. I'm just gonna, I'm just saying. I think of it, think of it this way. If you go out there with that intent, and this thing has the intelligence, like I feel it has, your chances of an encounter are probably slim,

55:25unless you're on the front porch, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But this, it's, there's this thing called positive identification, right? And it only takes one bullet strike from a friendly force for that to be considered positive identification of an enemy location, right? So if we're facing the same direction and you're saying, you see the bad guy right there and I say, no, and you shoot and I see where your round hits, that's called bullet strike, that is a form of positive identification. So now I can start shooting that spot, does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, that does not. It would have only taken one of us to do that, and all three of us were pretty quick on the trigger

56:29and situations previously, but that one that gave you more, like I said before, you don't have a file folder for that encounter in your brain, right? You know, the military does a pretty decent job of preparing you or your leaders, if they're a good leader, prepare you well for certain scenarios and certain situations and you know, if you encounter this, this is what your response needs to be, if you're doing this and this happens, you need to do that. And you know, you train on it and you do it over and over and over and over again until it becomes muscle memory, but then you see something like that in the woods and it's like, I don't have a predesignated response to what just happened. I totally understand that, yeah, right? And that's what I'm, that goes back to what I was saying. I mean, if you guys are not the ones in that situation

57:32to do something like that, who is? You know, I mean, like you said, if you go out with that intent and as you believe the creature kind of know, kind of has that feeling that, okay, you're not out here just to build a campfire and hang out. I'm not going anywhere in the area or at least I'm not going anywhere that you can know that I'm there. Right. Or I'm gonna do something over here. So if you get a little too close to, I'm gonna keep using the same terminology, but if you're too close to my front porch, I'm gonna go over here and make a noise to kind of draw you that way as opposed to you getting closer to my front porch. Diversionary tactics. It's, yeah, yeah, that's a good way to keep your front porch safe or keep people away, you know?

58:33That don't realize smart people use smartphones, huh? Seeing through BS, they thought was going to slide. Download text now because it cuts out cloutery. You can literally activate it from your couch. Nationwide 5G with the same towers the other companies use. Pay what you want or not at all. You're in control. Show these ridiculous carriers we ain't paying for stupid because we're way too smart to pay them. Reappase, talk and text me the text now app requires Wi-Fi or data connection data plans all separately 5G were available. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait, that's the reaction. A lot of people are having when they first try QB Mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before. And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake

59:33because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. QB only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper and almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, some fans even swear by dipping pizza crust in it. And once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere. Chefs use it, restaurants use it. People who really care about flavor use it. Never try it. Grab the bottle with the red cap next time you're at the store. Put it on just about anything, then you'll understand. QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. So when you guys get done with this and get back to um, I don't know what you would call base civilization or whatever, did you guys talk to anybody else and describe what happened and see if anybody else that had been out there had experienced anything or did you guys just kind of leave it alone?

1:00:34So, so one thing I did do when we got back and it was kind of like a group effort between us three, we kind of looked together on the computer at the uh, man, the BFR-O website where there's like the sightings and everything like that and you can report one and you can see where other people have had sightings. We went on that and there were some that were in the area, but it was nothing to the extent of what we had, you know, some person heard a howl, another person heard like a tree knock and I, you know, I can't exactly remember what the, what the experiences were that were reported, but it was, it was nothing even close to, to what we'd had seen and no,

1:01:35we did not report it and no, we did not talk about it with our superiors um, that, that night we kind of like just, you know, throughout talking about everything until the sun came up, we were just like, yeah, this is probably one of those things you just keep, keep to yourself, you know, because you don't want, there's a certain level of trust that you have, having that job, you know what I mean? And you don't want that trust to be overshadowed by this guy's probably insane. You see what I'm saying? Like, I do, and to me, okay, look, and so, and that's, you know, and that's something that the people who have these experiences keep fighting is, you guys know you weren't saying.

1:02:37I mean, you guys are highly trained individuals, okay? So to me, if a, if your superiors would have to know, I mean, they've trusted you how many different times to do how many different things? And so now all of a sudden one time you come back and say, hey, look, there was something out there that, you know, that we couldn't explain and it didn't seem right. Well, now the sun you're crazy. You know what I'm saying? That makes if people are going to question you guys and what you saw in your sanity, then how on earth does just the average day per, average, every day person ever going to feel comfortable with coming forward with what they saw? Because people are definitely going to say they're crazy. So that's the thing. That's the, that's why I love the fact that you, you know, even though it's 12 years later, have decided to come on and just say, look, I got to share this because

1:03:42you shouldn't, people shouldn't be thought of as crazy for this. I don't think, I don't think you're creating. I don't think anybody listening to this, to this story is thinking, oh, man, I guys is making that up. That's just nuts because well, how many, maybe not so much now a days, especially with how much information has become public. But how back in the day, let's just say late 80s, early 90s, right? How many UFOs would a pilot have to report before they were grounded and lost their wings? All I mean, I've heard stories where they just told them, look, don't bother. It's too much paperwork. You know, and it was just common knowledge for pilots and there's like commercial pilots, even just they were just like, we're not just I'm going to talk about. I mean, yeah, we saw, we all saw something, but nobody wants to report it. Right. And so, so how many people then?

1:04:49And that's, so the place where you guys went had to be a place where there were excursions like yours probably took place on a semi rate and a pre-regular basis, at least. Like, you guys weren't the first people out in that area. I'm guessing. No, but I can tell you just by looking at the specific spot that we were at, like we chose the spot, right? Yeah. So we had this briefing about what we were going to be doing. And they said, what looks good to you? And, you know, we looked at, we looked there and saw it was at one time, probably not too long after I was born, but at one time it was a logging road. Okay. And so there was again, like very, very old evidence of,

1:05:50you know, logging and things like that in that area. But nothing recent, you know, there wasn't anything that I could look at where it was like, hey, somebody's been here recently or within the last couple of months, even. So somebody being there on a regular basis, I would say no. And the odds that somebody set up right where we set up is very slim to none. Because we're looking, I mean, we're looking at a gigantic map. And we had like a kind of like a basic idea of where we wanted to go. And what we're, because there was certain, I don't want to get, I don't want to say too much. There was certain requirements that had to be met so that we could meet the necessary standards. Right. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

1:06:50Again, and we felt that area would have done it perfectly. And it did, we did, we did accomplish what we needed to. And, you know, everything worked and all the stuff was good to go. And, but yeah, it was, I don't think anybody had been there. Probably, probably about a year or more prior to us being in that specific spot. Well, so there was still a really good, really good chance then that whatever that creature was, big foot, it had it or some of members of its, because I mean, it's impossible to have just one out there, I'll buy himself.

1:07:52I mean, there's got to be two. Well, that's my thought process is there was, there had to have been, for that one to be that, and again, using this term loosely, for that one to be that brazen, it had to have like support. You know what I mean? Yeah. If something goes bad, I need you to come, come out of the other tree line and scream. So these guys all wet their pants and we can run off in the woods together or something, you know what I mean? Like, there had to be something, there had to be something else out there. And so what is based on how little we were able to detect that one with how big it was, it's just, it's like, it's insane. So what I was, you know, what I'm trying to get at those, they probably,

1:08:54like, this things have probably been there. They've probably been there for a long time. So even if somebody hadn't been there in a year, there's a good, good chance that they had seen humans and maybe interacted with humans. Well, why the logging stop? Still trees there. There you go. It wouldn't be the first logging operation that stopped because it really equipment malfunctioned. Yeah. So you're, I mean, I'm in kind of like a unique position where, you know, you've heard, I don't even want to try to pick a number, thousands of reports and probably read and, you know, listen to thousands more. Yeah. So I'm, I'm going to disadvantage because I have not poured over this because I can't do it without thinking about that incident, if that makes sense.

1:09:54Of course. So I haven't, I haven't really, do I want to know what it was? Absolutely. Do I want to know how many of them there were? Sure. If I was in my prime, would I want to try to race it just to see how good I am? Absolutely. But I haven't poured over these, these instances and these reports and anything like that. And you know, that this, this had to have been, you know, by chance because that Facebook page that you saw me on, I was a member of it for like three days. I was a member of it for like five minutes. I literally had been invited to be, to join it. That post was like the second post I saw. Like I literally, it was just something that came across my social media feed where this lady was, I mean, this old, little,

1:10:57little old lady came forward about her story. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, all right. Well, put your, tuck your cajones away. They're a lady. I guess I'll tell my story because it's like it is, there is a certain level of, I don't want to say like bravery or courage or anything, but there is a certain level of testicular fortitude that it takes to come out with this because you just know there's going to be people that are going to try to pick your story apart. They're going to try and, you know, say, well, what about this? What about that? And they're also the other people are just going to call you crazy. This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East. That's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. That's Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, okay, hold on.

1:11:58I got a new favorite food. That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try Cupid Mayon. Yeah, it's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it at the grocery store. And this mayo is different. Mm-hmm. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. Cupid only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Eggs sandwiches, fries, burgers, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really care about flavor use it. Put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. I know what we encountered and I know that there's not a normal explanation for it. But the lady came out and I'm like reading her story and it was pretty cool. And I was just thinking if Granny May can come out and tell her story,

1:13:03then I could probably tell mine and I'm like beating myself up for like three days being a part of this group, seeing other people talk about their stuff. And you know, you have with every group, you have some people where you look at what they said and you're just like, I don't know if I can believe that or they just, they straight out come with, I believe. And I'm still, I still have the skeptical mindset of what it was. Because, A, we didn't see it super clearly. Right? Just enough to kind of get a basic shape of it and it's eyes. And I'm always going to be skeptical about it. That could not have been what I saw. Because like I said, you just don't have a file folder in your brain for that.

1:14:08I mean, you see it on TV, you see it in movies and things like that, but that's not real life. And then all of a sudden something similar to what you've been seeing in movies and stuff, it's like, how did that get there? And you still try to write it off almost, but it's, you can't. Because it's not a bear. And you know, for the listeners, you know, I've been in the woods my whole life. I used to hunt in the southern tier when I was a little kid and I would hunt regularly. Not that this incident stopped it, but basically up until that incident, you know, I don't hunt anymore. I'd like to, but I live in a place where that's not really possible. Which, you know, that's another story. But I just, I always, I'm always going to have that skeptical mindset towards it because I don't,

1:15:18because I don't understand what happened. And my buddies don't understand what happened. Just for just how it moved and how quick it was, how big it was, it's just, it doesn't make sense if that makes sense. Yeah, it totally, I mean, it totally makes sense. I mean, and that is, that's also a comment. You know, like you said, you haven't had the, you haven't, I mean, listen to as many stories as I've heard. And I mean, I haven't listened to as many stories as a lot of other people heard on, you know, I've heard of as far as researchers and and stuff. And it's, but that's just the common, like, when you've had a real experience and you can't wrap your head around it. But it's just a common thing because it's like you said, it's not supposed to exist. You're not supposed to write out there with something that's supposed to be a fairy tale or, you know,

1:16:26but we don't have it. We don't have one in the zoo. So it certainly can't be real. If you can still basically put like a bear, you know, even though a bear is extremely powerful and they're extremely large and in moments they can be extremely fast, it's still based in what I, what is like the physical world, you know what I mean? Whereas this, it's abilities and the way it did things. I mean, I was with some of the, some people that could be considered professional and Olympic athletes with how they were physicality wise. This thing is on a whole other level. So to try to wrap your head around that in a physics-based

1:17:36world, how is that possible? I mean, how can something that big move that quickly without making that much noise and without affecting the environment around it like it should have? That's to me, that's just right there. How can somebody go out there and expect to shoot one of these things when that's what you're up against? I mean, people go hunting for bear all the time and come back empty handed. People go fishing all the time. We have, you know, I got the Husker, Husker Dew 6000 broad and real with the brand new Flippy Flap, best, best lure and they come back and they didn't catch a darn thing. So it's like how do you expect to go out into the wilderness in this thing's domain and come back with any form of physical evidence other than, hey,

1:18:44we saw a footprint and we pictured it. We took a picture of it and we made a cast. We got this weird hair sample and look, there's some weird poop. You know what I mean? Like there's no way you can go out into this thing's playground and come out with some sort of physical evidence unless it wants you to and I don't think we're there yet because what was that? What's that show with the big the big dude Bobo? Oh, yeah. Expositioning. Finding big foot. Expositioning big foot is the one that yeah it's finding big foot. I mean, and watching these people go out and first of all they they make more noise moving through, brushing everything then then I'll get out and they hear noise over here and then every single person goes over there and checks out that noise. Well, nobody

1:19:47has really gone with the thought process of it's making a noise over here. Maybe I should keep going the direction that I'm going not that I would want to have a close up encounter with one of these things and see it where it has to feel like it's got to protect itself or its family or its friends or whatever because just based off of what I saw how this thing can move and everything like that you can have you know, super duper, extendo, mags on your weapon and all the fancy huxa, lights and optics and things like that and I don't think it's going to make much of a difference. I just can't get over the fact of that your questioning whether Bobo was as well trained as well trained as you were. Well, no, that's just point. I know. What word happened?

1:20:49What could happen if you guys couldn't couldn't detect it was sneak, how could he? Well, not only that, but you know, with the especially the amount of noise that they all make, right? I watched like half an episode I was like this stupid. I couldn't watch it anymore. I like that they go out and they have like the town hall meeting and they're like who's had an experience and they go to those locations and things like that, but you can't hope with that much noise, that much, you know, I mean, you can't. You're just not going to be successful. And you don't go hunt for deer or anything else in that manner and those animals aren't nearly as smart as we're trying to, as we believe Bigfoot is. So why could you? Yeah, well, yeah, something that has an obvious

1:21:56thought process where it can, you know, dictate its next move, but that brings it up one of the other questions when we were talking earlier, we're like, you know, there's, I have no way of knowing how many human encounters this thing has had. So I don't know if it knew how to act or react to a certain thing like what if we put a weapon up on it, like what is that? What does it do? You know what I mean? I don't know, I don't know what this thing knew. And that to me was troubling because in a lot of tactical situations that that me and my buddies have been in, you know, it's almost like you're able to predict because you've

1:22:59studied, you know what I mean? You have, you know the kind of weaponry they've got, you know the kind of tactics they're going to follow, you know this, you know that, and you know the terrain, you know the area, blah, blah, blah. So you can kind of predict, hey, if we come over here, this is what they're going to do, and we're going to do this to counter that and blah, blah, blah. Well, you don't, nobody knows what this thing's going to do unless it comes on your back porch and you chill with it on the weekends and it, you know, you learn some of its behavior. Like there's some fantastical stories that I've seen where, you know, this, the whole community knows that, hey that guy, he talks to him or he knows where they're at or they come through his property or whatever. And it's just, it's like even he doesn't know how they're going to react to certain things,

1:24:01you know what I mean? So how can you expect to go out there with a hunting rifle, right? With just a scope on it and come back with a big foot body. First of all, I wouldn't recommend that. That don't realize smart people use smartphones, huh? Seeing through BS, they thought was going to slide. Download text now because it cuts out clountery. You can literally activate it from your couch nationwide 5G with the same towers the other companies use. Pay what you want or not at all. You're in control. Show these ridiculous carriers we ain't paying for stupid because we're way too smart to pay them. Reapp based talk index via the text now app requires Wi-Fi or data connection data plans all separately 5G were available. This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East US with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East US Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

1:25:04You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like okay, hold on, I got a new favorite food. That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try QP mayo. Yeah, it's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it at the grocery store. And this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. QP only uses egg yolks which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, almost buttery. Once people try it they start putting it on everything. Eggs sandwiches, fries, burgers, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really care about flavor use it. Put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. QP the original Japanese mayonnaise. And second of all, you're we're past the technology point with this thing because we had we had a lot. We had a lot of technology out there. And somehow some way it was able to

1:26:06to negate hundreds of thousands of technology. I mean, has anybody ever maybe you know, has anybody ever gotten a picture on a trail cam that you can be like, yep, that's a big foot or or is it? I have not I have not personally seen one. I know people that it claimed to have gotten them. But they do not like to come forward with. They certainly don't it seems to me that the people with the fake ones want to put them out there and the people with legitimate real ones are the ones that don't want to put them out there. And I don't know I don't know. I mean, I do understand. So if you had one in your backyard, okay, if you knew you had some in the woods, you had a family, a pod or whatever they want to call them, a big big foot out and out on your property and your back 50 acres, would you really want to show like the video that you caught them

1:27:09walking? No, because you know, because everybody in their brother would be there. Yeah. This something I've noticed about this community and I'm not I'm not dogging anybody at all. But something I've noticed about this community where it's like somebody has a sighting somewhere and it's like, dude, that's where we have to go. We've got to go there and we got to check it out. That person doesn't want you on their property, but they they they just don't. I mean, what what would have happened if finding bigfoot would have found one. Everybody and their mother would have gone to that spot. You know what I mean? You'd have all these people beaten on trees, hoot and hollering in the woods at two o'clock in the morning and people that live in that area are just like this needs to stop. So I mean,

1:28:10look at what happened with skin walker ranch. You know, Bigelow didn't even want it anymore because of how difficult it was to keep people out because somebody always wanted to go there and try to check it out. And they couldn't couldn't wrap his head around, figure and everything out there. And I don't know who's got it now, but the guy that has a TV show. There's a guy that has a TV show on skin walker ranch. Yeah, yeah, there is. It's on for second or third year. Yeah, it's called the secret to skin walker ranch. It's pretty it's actually pretty good. Well, I'll eat my hat because I it seems to me the bigelow got all the reaching one to get out of it and then decided, okay, we kind of were or a pit.

1:29:12You know, I've dumped this much money in here. What do I have to show for it? Probably nothing. Bigelow's a millionaire, probably a billionaire. You know, he I'm sure he's very calculated with what he spends and what what yield he gets out of things. Well, and what you're just in, you know, come what we're talking about, that's close to not too far away from here in his Minerva, Ohio, one of the really famous case in the late 70s early 80s was the Minerva monster. And which Seth Breedlove has done a really good documentary on, but that happened. It made national news. And there was there were film crews, news crews, radio, you know, all kinds of newspaper people lining the road to these people's house and then people would just show up like with guns, like they were going to go on to the property and they were going to they were going to find

1:30:16this monster and it became a side show, you know, and kind of a almost kind of joky, you know, and it wasn't until however many years later, you know, they you know, some people finally got into really investigate it and there's there actually a stuff. We're reputed to be going on now, but at the time it just turned into a, you know, 40 some years ago turned into a circus. And the people wished they had never said anything. Right. Well, that's exactly my point. Yeah. And I feel like these creatures know like, hey, somebody takes a legit video of us, you know, that we're going to have to leave because game over at that point is the same thing that happened over there is going to happen here. So we got to we got to leave. And there's there's one dude that I listened to

1:31:19as far as Bigfoot goes and it's it's the Bob Gimlin guy on YouTube. Okay. And I just listened to his the way he thinks about things and how he rationalizes certain things. It's very interesting to me. He's very, very well spoken. And he doesn't just do Bigfoot. Like he did the the British were in Africa and the workers in Africa were getting just destroyed by these two lions or these three lions. It was two or three. I can't remember. But he basically did a whole story on that and how hard it was for the British military to go there and kill three lions. Right. Or two lions. I can't remember which what it was. But these things would come into their little military post and take people. Even if they like defended

1:32:28it, they would put spikes and stuff like that. And these lions would come in and still take workers and drag them off. And you could hear them dragging them off and chewing on them and stuff like that just out of eyesight. So you take something like that, something we know in the physical world, people kill lions all the time. Whether it's legal or not. I've heard stories of people killing Bigfoot, but I've not seen one single shred of physical evidence unless I'm wrong. I could be wrong because I haven't dug so deep. I have not even really heard a good story about. I've heard stories of people taking shots, but I've never really even heard a good, I've never heard of anybody claim that they actually killed one. So, but

1:33:29I'm sure there, I got to believe that there, there has been throughout the years, somebody's got a shot on one and probably killed one. Because it seems to me they've been around for a long time. So I can't, there's no doubt. I mean, there's there's cave drawings of these things. Yeah, right? Where you look at it and you're like, that can literally be nothing else, but that. Right? It's next to the deer. It's sitting next to the iguana. It's sitting next to the fish. And then there's that. Like that's, that's what it is. Yeah, the nizz, the weather is the native of American or, you know, some, you know, another indigenous person. I mean, it's not like they saw the fish, saw the buffalo, saw the bird, and then we're like, you know what, I'm going to make something up. Let's make up this Bigfoot like a creature. You know, it's not works. And we'll pass

1:34:34it down for centuries verbally through our, through our traditions, just so 400, 500 years down the road. We're going to pull fast on them. Yeah, and we're going to let them know that. Gotcha. No, I don't think that's the case at all. But I mean, and those people lived in the wilderness, right? So the wilderness was there domain as well. So it makes sense that they're able to at least encounter it and see what it looks like. But they didn't have night vision. They didn't have thermal imagery. They didn't have all this stuff. They didn't have satellites. They had their eyeballs, which I mean, unless you eat a lot of carrots, you really can't see that great at night. Without some sort of light source. So how did they draw it? Did they see it in the daytime? Or did they have a real close encounter at night? That begs the question.

1:35:37Exactly. Yeah, that's a great question. You almost think they had to have daytime encounters at some point. Right. And it went through out throughout the time. It learned the side of, you know, right? And I think there are actually Native American stories that talk about, you know, hey, we used to coexist with these things. And then we had to, you know, go to their cave because they started stealing our children or our women or whatever. We had to go to their cave and stand there with bone arrow and basically throw fire and stuff into the cave and kill them all. Like, is that if there's a story like that out there, how can we refute that? That's people, it's like prior to the invention of lying. So how do you, how do you, how do you,

1:36:41look at something like that that's been passed down through tradition and cultures and say, yeah, this thing doesn't exist. I agree. I agree. I tell you, well, and here's the thing is you know. So because you had that experience. So, so there's no, and you're still trying to, you know, you know, and you're still trying to rationalize all these other things and kind of kind of make a box to fit it all in, you know, and you're not just guessing or hoping, you know, you actually saw it with your own eyes. Right. And I'm trying to, I'm trying to come to terms with, you know, a couple of things. Like, I, you know, didn't hear it, right? There would be no way for me to chase this thing down.

1:37:42Not, not through that and not how, with how fast it was. And now I'm, I'm too old. Right. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna use sample after this thing. It's not gonna happen. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, okay, hold on. I got a new favorite food. That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try Cupid Mayo. Yeah, it's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it at the grocery store. And this Mayo is different. Mm-hmm. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. Cupid only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Eggs sandwiches, fries, burgers, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really care about flavor use it.

1:38:43Put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. It was impressive. And I got the impression that it knew it would be impressive to us. You know, like you might get a glimpse, but you're not you're not going to you're not going to touch me. You're not going to you're not going to get close enough to to grab me or or shoot me or whatever. Well, I would certainly you know, I would certainly hope that somebody hears this and has had an experience in that same you know kind of figured out like maybe where you guys were and had a either they were part of a logging crew that got you know driven out or they you know some some other some of the guys in the military that maybe had an experience and they're like man

1:39:47I that's that sounds like what I happened to me or sounds like the same place where I was. And I'm sorry that the location is very vague. Oh, that's okay. And you know, it's it's like you said though, if you know, you know, you know, so yeah, so the only people that would have experiences out there would be people similar to your situation or if somebody had been out their log probably. So and you know, I'm sure somebody maybe at some point had been camping not right where we were, but there's there's areas not far from there where there's campsites and things like that. So I'm sure you know, Joe and Sandy were eating sandwiches one night and you know, had something

1:40:49weird happen. It's it's it's just there's there's no way not. It could have been something that that they brushed off because what if we just told our buddy, you know, hey, don't stop messing with us. We know that was you that whistled. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. I would talk about and I wouldn't you know what I mean? I would have there'd be nothing. Maybe who knows what it would have done after that if it didn't get our attention? Yeah, and there are there are a lot of there are a lot of people that I've talked to that when they start adding stuff up over the years, then they go, you know, once they have like an experience and then they're like, so now I wonder if 10 years ago when this happened, if that's what what I was, you know, I was experiencing at that level. And then five years ago when that happened, if I was experiencing at a different lot, you

1:41:52know what I'm saying? So they start, they you know, they have an experience that has everything in it and then they start the parts of it, they had experienced parts of it prior, but just thought, oh, something else or it was just an imagination, but then they're like, man, maybe I was experiencing a big foot, but not the full-blown sighting, you know, we heard it or we smelled it or it was it messed around with something, you know, so that's the those experiences are really common and a lot of people, you know, start putting two and two together and figure out that, hey, I've been experiencing stuff all along. I just hadn't seen it with my own two eyes. Well, that's that's kind of what I said to you when we were talking before, where it's like, you know, I after this and I was thinking about it and you know, it took me it took me a long time to to you know, look into, you know, any type of

1:42:56of similar sightings or reports or anything like that after after this one happened. You know, I'd still go out into the woods and out of the field and everything like that, do training and stuff out there, but it's like I've had some weird I after this one, you kind of look at it and you're like, huh, I wonder if that time when I was in the woods and I heard this noise or I felt this thump or whatever, I wonder if that could have been something else as opposed to just shrugging it off and carrying on. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it does kind of make you look at, I mean, because if anybody who's been in like real deep woods has had some form of weird thing happen or another, you know, they might not have been able to put their finger on it or point at one

1:43:56route cause, right? But something weird, something possibly unexplainable. So what is the catalyst for you know, digging into it a little bit? Like what does it take to take like a sighting like mine or does it take a more inquisitive mind? Yeah, I don't, I maybe, maybe there's a lot of people that don't want to know. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to know if, because it might ruin the experience for them if they think there's something like that out there. It's certainly that, but there's like, like some people see a snake and they're like, nope, and they just walk in the opposite direction. You know what I mean? It could be something similar to that. Yeah, it's like me here. No, it's like, yeah, I'm not going to say, tell about me by seeing a snake. I'm out of here.

1:45:02Yeah, I totally, I totally understand that. So some people, the fear of the unknown is way too great. And maybe you can't blame them. You know, you can't blame them. Not everybody's equipped to mentally, physically or whatever to discover something that they weren't expecting. You know, so people just want to just want to be as is and go through life. Yeah, I can't say that I blame them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, JB, I'm glad that you were a member of that page for a couple days, and I was on it for five minutes because I'm glad to have been able to reach out to you and have you come on and you're in check. Because I mean, like I said, we had a great discussion before,

1:46:02and I think this was another great discussion. And I hope everybody that that tunes in enjoys the, you know, your particular insight and some of the questions and points that you've made for sure. And hopefully, somebody out there with similar experiences and similar circumstances, or reach out so that, you know, I think it would be wild to get to get somebody to reach out from the same area and say, yeah, man, this is what happened to me. That would be pretty nuts. But if I've made somebody feel more comfortable in sharing an experience that happened to them, that maybe they've been thinking about for a while, or maybe they've been beating themselves up lately about it, where, you know, I mean, I don't have anything to gain by coming out. You know what,

1:47:05I mean, I don't, there is no, there's no reward I can get for coming forward. Other than, I can finally get it off of my chest because it's just been there for, it's been there for a while and I just, I haven't, I haven't come out with it. But if, if maybe somebody's got it, just kind of weighing on their mind, and they needed that little extra, whatever to, to come forward and talk about it, you know, I thought when I came out, I was fully ready for all the, all the bad, you know, I was fully ready for people to go, you're nuts, you're crazy, you're stupid, you're a liar, blah, blah, I was, I was ready for it because I just knew in my mind that it would happen and I was completely blown away

1:48:06with the support and just, I never actually thought people would start asking me questions about it. What did you think of this and what did you think of that and did you see this or did you smell that or whatever? And it's just like, I, I don't even know how to respond because I wasn't even thinking about any of the positive that could have possibly resulted in me coming out with the story. But it, I am, I'm still kind of humbled by it and I appreciate it and I appreciate you contacting me and I appreciate you letting me be on your show and everything like that and I don't know. Hey, I tell you what, I'm humbled to have, to have you, to have you on and have you share. I mean, you know, it's, it's, you know, just your military service and protecting

1:49:10people like us, you know, so we can sit back here and have podcasts and do stuff like this and enjoy the freedom to do it. I mean, we owe, we all owe, you know, a debt of gratitude and, and the, just to the listen to what you have to say, you know, I mean, at the very least, everybody can do that, you know. So, well, as long as it was done while they were supportive people back home, then it was worth it. So, I, as well. Yes, I once again, I just want to thank you for for coming on and I think, I think people are going to enjoy what you had to say. So, I'm looking, I'm looking forward to hearing, hearing the response. I am too, I'm going to start following the podcast and everything like that. Is that them? Again, like, I don't, well, I sit at home and watch,

1:50:15watch like a YouTube video every now and then, sure, but I'm not like, I haven't ever really investigated things. I've never felt the need or the want to go back out in the woods with, with that thought in mind where I want to find one of these, but maybe one day, I don't know. Well, I said it to you before, if anybody's starting a team together that wants to go out and really find one, I think JB's your man. So, I think he's not that I want to be your agent and get a cut of it. But I think you're the, I think you're the first guy. I'm, I'm going to team round. Just, just say, I am retired. I'm not dead. I'm retired. Even better. Even better. Well, thanks, JB and, you know, I'm looking like some, I'm looking forward to hear, see if we

1:51:18get some response from this and find somebody that had a similar experience in that area. So, I think that would be pretty cool. I think it would too. Like I said, if it helps anybody else come out with their story, then, then, they're, that's all the reason I need to come out and say what I, say what I did. That don't realize smart people use smartphones, huh? Sand through BS, they thought was going to slide down low text now because it cuts out cloutery. You can literally activate it from your couch nationwide 5G with the same towers the other companies use. Hey, what you want or not at all, you're in control. Show these ridiculous carriers we ain't paying for stupid because we're way too smart to pay them. Three app based talk and text me the text now app requires Wi-Fi or data connection data plans all separately. 5G were available. This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East, US with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East, US with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, okay, hold on,

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