Freemasonry, Exorcisms & The Occult - THE SOUL BATTLE - Dr. Christopher Earnshaw Part 2! | AU 678

0:00And I am delighted to be doing a part two with Dr Christopher Ernshaw, folks. Many of you tuned in for the part one which was hugely successful. And if you're not familiar with Dr. Ernshaw's work, he is an author, longtime researcher of the Freemasons and its spiritual and esoteric traditions. His spiritual free-masonry series includes free-masonry, initiation by light, spiritual alchemy, quest for immortality and royal arch. And in today's episode, we're going to be focusing upon exorcisms, battle for the soul. So thank you for coming back, Chris. You're welcome. I'm looking forward to it. I know we've got a PowerPoint like we did last time, which was absolutely fascinating. Would you like me to get that on the screen now? No, we've got a few things to go through and then I'll give you some links, some hints as we go along.

1:02All right, let's go through those things then first. I think this conversation is actually going to open a bag of worms because it's going to cover things like Christianity, the occult, spirits, things that that organize religion tries to steer clear of. But I hope the tone of this talk is positive because we can really help people who are tormented by the invisible and that's what's happening. I don't know if this is a good place, but I'd like a quick shout out to one of your super fans. Hello from Tokyo to Toffee Lady 9. Toffee Lady 9? Yeah, she said some really nice things about me last time. So anyway, so as a disclaimer, I'm firstly, I'm not a religious person, but as a Brit, I was brought up in a Christian society and so I went to a Christian boarding

2:05school all around me was churches and bells and things. But after my high school, I never went to church again. It's what the Germans referred to as Entzalberu. I think that means disenchantment. And it's rather like Karl Marx stated that religion is, I believe, opiate for the masses. Anyway, so that's my disclaimer. I'd like to talk about exorcism in two parts. First, the practical aspects of it, and I'll give examples of some exorcisms I've done. And part two, the implications of exorcism are enormous and these also like to cover that. I trained as a neuroscientist and so I have a PhD in neuroscience and I'm very interested

3:06in consciousness. We've referred to consciousness as one of three mysteries of neuroscience. The other two are value outcomes such as emotion and also the mechanism of intelligence. So I've been drawn to this because of that interest. The word exorcism tends to excite people because of the drama or even hysteria. This is often caused by films such as the exorcism of Emily Rose or the exorcist or the recent film with Russell Crowe, the Pope's exorcist. If you could show me slide one, please. Slide two, actually. Slide two, all right, let's get this up here. Oh, this one. Next one. And the next one is, there we go. Yes, yes.

4:07So Emily Rose was a real person and all three of these films are based on real people. She was a deeply religious woman. She was German and at the time of her exorcism, she was 23 years old. Her family was convinced that she was demonically possessed. But on hindsight, people said that she was actually mentally ill and she also had epilepsy. And so the family rejected medical intervention. And the poor woman went through 34 days of non-stop exorcism. And at the end of it, she died from malnutrition and dehydration. She died in 1976. So it shows you how films can actually distort reality. The reality was the woman was mentally challenged.

5:12But the church preferred to see her as demonically possessed. And we see a lot of this, unfortunately. Next slide, please. That's really sad Chris. It is. It is. In the 1970, 1973, the exorcist, it shows the Catholic method of exorcism. And personally, I think this is not a good way to conduct an exorcism. They are just haranging the demon and often using Latin. And it's very strange. You don't need to use Latin because in the spirit world, everybody understands whatever language you're using. And it turns out to be just a battle of wit. And in this case, the demon holds all the cards. And if he wants to leave, he will leave. If he doesn't want to leave, he won't leave.

6:13The next slide, please. Okay. And this is what the situation, this isn't from the film, but this is what it looks like. There's a priest, he has a crucifix and there are all these demons hanging around. And they don't recognize the power of the crucifix. So it's, it's just a lot of nonsense. But in the film, two Jesuit priests were exercising a young girl called Reagan. And it actually happened in 1949, but the story was changed. The original story was a 14 year old boy called Ronald Honkler. The exorcism took two months, rather like Emily Rose, two months. And in the film, they emphasized that the reason that the victims were attacked was because

7:14they were using Ouija boards. And frankly, I don't think this is right. But again, this is part of that sort of, what do we call it? People's, I forget the words. I don't speak mythology. It's just like a mythology. It's like a urban myth, yes, an urban myth, that you can talk to the devil through a Ouija board. It doesn't work like that. But also, the interesting thing about this is that this is the boy who was 14. He actually grew up totally healthy and he worked on the Apollo space mission for NASA. So, you know, he didn't suffer from his experience. But the question we need to ask ourselves is, why would the devil attack a 14 year old boy in St. Louis? It's very strange, you know, if the devil's going to attack anybody, I can think of

8:20some orange people who need attacking. But anyway, sorry, I didn't say that. Next slide, please. Yes, so this is the movie The Pope's Exorcist, which is also partly true. It's based on a real person, his name's father Gabriel Amorth. He was the chief exorcist of the Vatican. And the film is adapted from his memoirs. Are you sure, and have you seen this film? I have not seen this film, no. It came out, it was in the Oscars, I think, this last year. It's really quite interesting. But it's just been over hyped by Hollywood. At the beginning, it shows the exorcist taking the spirit, negative spirit,

9:21or the unwanted spirit from the person, putting it into a pig, and then he shoots the pig. Oh my goodness. And this is a very Catholic concept. And in fact, I think it's wrong. I'll look at it in more detail later. So I learned about spirituality from a Freemason, Freemasonry, as I mentioned in a previous podcast. And initially, I was interested in healing. And I wanted to learn from the best healers. I learned that Jesus healed 14 times, as given in the Bible. And 10 of them were exorcisms. So does this make Jesus an exorcist? It seems like it might do. He also tells his disciples later in the Bible that he should go out and heal people the same way he was doing it with exorcisms.

10:25Also, interestingly, in Matthew chapter 8, Jesus healed a centurion's son at a distance. So the son wasn't anywhere to be seen, but he was able to do it. And in fact, this is the way I do my exorcisms, because I will not confront a person or a negative entity face on. You're asking for trouble if you do that. So that's why this Catholic, two Jesuits in a room with a cross, really doesn't make sense. It can be quite dangerous. Even I'm not religious. I do know my Bible a little bit, and particularly comparative religion. It's very interesting to me. And in Mark chapter 5, there is what is called the garrison exorcism. Next slide, please. Yes.

11:25So if you, in this picture, I'll describe it to the right at the back. There's a pond or lake. And at the edge of the lake, there are about six or eight pigs. They don't look like them, but it actually pigs jumping into the water. And the background is that Jesus met a man who was possessed with, he said, Legion spirits, which meant either 1000, because Roman Legion was 1000 soldiers, or it just meant very many spirits. And it is possible, and that a person can be possessed with more than one spirit, sometimes 50 or 100. It's totally understandable, because they don't take space. They're just energy, and they're in your aura normally, not in your physical body. In this picture, the Christ transferred the Legion spirits from the man,

12:30into 2000 pigs, which then jumped in the water to kill themselves. This is totally wrong. This story does not make sense to me. First of all, those 2000 pigs, that represented somebody's livelihood. And it's not even, he just saw the pigs and he put the spirits into the pigs. And then all the pigs killed themselves. So somebody was then destitute. I don't think that is an advanced spiritual teacher's way of working things. Secondly, as all those spirits fitted into one man, so why not transfer all of the spirits into just one pig? You don't need to share them over 2000 pigs. It doesn't make sense. So you just killed the one pig and let the others... Anyway. Thirdly, I don't think he actually destroyed the demons.

13:30He just moved them from one place, the sick man, to another place. And I don't think that a healer would make this mistake. And we talk about this in a moment. And the lastly, which is just a topical thing, but the problem about this story is that Muslims and Jews in Palestine don't eat pork because it is haram. So why are they breeding pigs? Who's the market? Anyway, so it's just so many strange things about that story. So for me to learn to advance spiritually, I was looking for some teaching or school or something. And in the UK, there are many places to study spirituality. In London, there is the College of Psychic Studies. This was established over 140 years ago in 1884.

14:33Next to slide, please. What a waste of pigs that almost. Yeah, a waste of pigs. It was like bacon. So this has been around 140 years. So Arthur Conan Doyle, we remember as the author of the Sherlock home books, he was a former president of this college. We also in England, we have over 350 spiritual churches that are non-denominational. So you can attend these spiritual churches and learn the techniques that are needed. But in Japan, we don't have that history of spiritualism. And unfortunately, the attitude to the spiritual is still on the level of manga, cartoons. So I couldn't find anyone to teach me.

15:33Interestingly, if you look carefully at this picture, you'll see lots of over the window on the first floor, you'll see some white spots. It looks like snow. But what I believe is that these are orbs. Orbs are spiritual hard to explain, but they are spiritual entities that are attracted to high spiritual energy. And the energy of the colleges of psychic studies, the energy is as high as you can get. So spiritual beings that are lost, they gather here. I've seen them in many places. I have photographs that I've taken. And when you expand the photograph, it looks like a map of DNA. It doesn't look, this looks like a blob. It looks like a blob of dust. But when you actually expand it, it is in fantastic detail. Anyway, that's just an aside, nothing to do with. So next slide, please.

16:36Next one? Here we go. So I was looking for a way to train myself in spiritualities. So instead of going to school, I read dozens of books on the subject. I mean, the books you can see behind me are just a small portion, probably several hundred here. And the first, I decided of all the things that I could do, there were two tools that I could use. The first tool was the tarot. And the tarot cards, and I created my own tarot. And this book is the result, the tarot of the revelation. It comes with tarot cards, it's not just the book. And why I believe these tarot cards are unique is because I discovered that all the major arcana which are the most powerful cards in the tarot, 22 of them, they are unique because I found them all in the book of revelation.

17:38And each one is described in the book of revelation and looks just like that. And they're nearly in the same order as in tarot. So the first one is the magician, and the second one is the high priestess, etc. So this is the same as in the book of revelation. And that was a staggering finding. Next, picture, please. Next one? Yeah, see this. So this is the second tool I studied was the pendulum. And it turns out that I actually have a little bit of a knack to use one. And I also have been teaching the pendulum for a few years now in Tokyo. And I use the pendulum for exorcisms. And I learned it from a dowser called Raymond Grace. And he is the next picture.

18:39All right, next one? Please. Yes. He's not quite sure. I think he's an appellation or virginian or he's very dry. But what he does with pendulum is just beyond most people. It's totally you have to listen to some of his videos. His books are very good as well. Anyway, so when you were, what are we dealing with in exorcisms? I think it's an important question. We call these unwanted guests. So who are they? Well, normally they are lost souls. These are people who sometimes relatives. Sometimes people we don't normally people we don't know. Sometimes they are negative entities, which means that they have, they don't have your best interests as hard.

19:42But you very rarely come across a demon and you will never come across the devil himself. He's just, he's not on that level. He's just so that's what surprised me about Ronald being attacked at 14 years old in St. Louis. St. Louis. Why? It just wouldn't happen. Anyway, so these demons are very, very few and far between. Most of these people who attach to other people are people who denied spiritual life. They thought that when they died, they were just going to disappear. They didn't have any expectations of going to heaven. And they weren't spiritually, they weren't religious people. They had none. No, no people, they hadn't been taught about the spiritual life. So when they woke up in spirit or in the spirit world after dying,

20:43well, I would say they're a bit bewildered. And of course a lot of them are very poorly educated because the educated people would have looked at religion and spirituality and have an opinion on it. But poor people don't have time for that. They're too busy making, making ends meet. So what happened is in the spirit world, they just follow each other and they seem to be like clouds of spirits just drifting along and they're all bitching and arguing. About things and they don't get on very well. But they don't know where they're going or what's expected of them. Spirits don't need to eat or drink. So they don't need energy. They like energy but they don't need to imbibe energy. They're attracted to living people's energy and so they're attached to you.

21:44And interestingly, the exorcist Eugene Maury said not just spirits but also P.D.F. Satanism, addiction, cult persuasion, manipulation. These are all learned traits so they can also be reversed with exorcism, particularly addiction. So this is interesting, it isn't just spirits of the dead. If we could move to the next picture please. Thank you. So an example of this would be a spirit who is now dead in the spirit world. When he was alive he was an alcoholic. And so what he misses most in the other world is the buzz that he used to enjoy from drinking. And when it's a cold day and you have, sorry, when it's a hot day and you have your first beer,

22:51it just tastes wonderful. You know, get that feeling as he goes down. That's what they want. They want that feeling. And so the spirit in the other world will be attracted to alcoholics. If he sees alcoholics in a pub or things and he'll be attracted to them and he wants to to partake of the buzz that alcoholics get. And this is why it is so difficult for alcoholics to get off the bottle because there is always something in the back of the mind in their ear saying just one more drink. And they feel compelled or pushed forward to have one more drink. This also unfortunately applies to murderers and people who commit self death as well. So what are the symptoms of being possessed? Well, there's the whole spectrum of psychological disease. I don't like to think of disease

24:00but complaints. For example, DID, we call dissociative identity disorder. I mean, it's such a nonsense word. We used to call it multiple personality disorder which actually really describes it very well because people have multiple personalities in their or order. And sometimes in the aura the spirits will argue with themselves. And the person who is possessed and we sometimes called it infested, he sometimes can hear these arguments and he gets angry. And he starts saying things and you see people walking on the street like they're talking to themselves. They're not talking to themselves. They're talking to these negative spirits that are saying either they're arguing or they're telling him, you're a miserable loser. You should go to the pub and have a beer to celebrate. I don't want to go to the pub. Leave me alone. Let me leave me. I'm going to work.

25:05So I've seen this all the time. Particularly in London. Still besides, multiple personality disorder skits the freiniar which is a totally different thing from personality disorder. There's persecution, addiction, hallucinations, people will have short tempers. They'll be combative, sometimes lashing out. They'll often use offensive words or they suddenly get angry as well as talking to themselves. And so these are signs and particularly if the person has never been that sort of person to begin with, if it's just a quiet and quiet, librarian type young lady, she's very quiet. And in some days she starts using offensive words and lashing out of people. This is out of character and this is the sort of person we need

26:07to check the energy. There's one other sign that I notice and I but I doubt that other people notice and that is what I call the possessed face. It looks like a mask and they're kind of sneering as well. They look kind of, yes. Anyway, I see it a lot. I'll talk about it in a moment. So talk about my own personal experiences. To date, I've had about, I have completed about 80 exorcisms and I keep a record of the date, the time, the details, etc. And I have a log of what's going on. I just don't do it. Let it go. I make sure it's tracked. I get about a 90% success rate. The biggest problem is recidivism. People, they keep doing what they used to do and they're surprised when they get the same results. And so some people will not learn. But anyway,

27:13next slide please. Okay, one second. I'll get it back up there. Here we go. Next slide. There we go. Yes. So this is a video and as you can see, there are no crucifixes and there is no voodoo. So I'll just give you a little bit of a background. One of my students in my spiritual class, complained of lethargy and heaviness. And so I had a check of his energy. And this is me checking his energy. If his energy was full of spirits and there can be positive spirits and negative spirits, but mainly the negative ones were worried about. I would have taken, I've done an exorcism on the spot, but it's it's very simple. I'm not actually moving the pendulum. I'm trying to hold my hand as steady as possible, but the pendulum only weighs seven

28:21grams. But when it's moving at speed, it actually pulls my hand a little bit. So you'll see that another thing to notice. Now this is a video. I think we can start it in a moment. You'll notice how the pendulum suddenly changes directions. It might go in us. Normally it goes anticlockwise. Then it'll stop. It'll go vertical. It'll go horizontal. And sometimes it goes in reverse. And so it's only about three, four minutes. So if you could play that, please put your mouse over the bottom left corner of the picture. Please mouse over the bottom. Oh, got it. Yeah, there we go. We're off. Okay. So I think I turned the volume off for this. I'm actually explaining to my students what is happening. At the moment, it is going anticlockwise against the clock. That is correct, isn't it?

29:25Yeah, it's anticlockwise. There we go. It's quite heavy data. But so while it's moving, so I was talking to my students in Japanese, but at the time I was talking to my pendulums, he was going sideways now. I was talking to my pendulum using telepathy. So I don't actually vocalize what I'm saying. But my pendulum is responding by moving vertically and it'll start going into a circle. And then, yeah, and here we go. There we go. And I haven't actually done it. I'm just holding it as close as quiet as possible. And then in a moment or two, it finds the energy because I think it's searching the aura of the people I mentioned to the pendulum. And it's searching their aura and suddenly picks up the aura and it gets very excited. You'll see, you know,

30:30it's going round and round and round. So what I'm actually doing is explaining to the spirit world, the situation. And I'm asking the spirit world to intercede and clear the possessing spirit. So I'm not doing anything. I'm just making the request and I'm holding the pendulum. The pendulum just shows me what's going on. And so I can interpret the movement. And now it's starting to take off. Look how the pendulum's getting quite excited. It's getting larger and larger and faster and faster. Wow. Well, sometimes it goes horizontal when it's really, really, really active. So it's picked up. So what it's basically doing is telling me how strong the entities are in my students aura. And sometimes when you get really serious negative entities, it flies off. Anyway,

31:34and it'll start slowing down and it'll communicate to me that the spirit world has cleared all the negativity for a person's aura. So it just suddenly goes quite. And so humans are really, rarely successful in taking on spirits. So the whole idea of two Jesuits with a cross and some holy water fighting something they can't see is ludicrous. So, but if you ask angels and spirit doctors on the other side, they can, a company, they can accomplish this really easily. And so this is how I do my work. So while I'm still going on, so this is a simple, I mean, it's just a, a friend of mine, she tripped on a computer cable in her office and her, her behavior changed quite suddenly.

32:36She was, she became very sharp with people, argumentative. And she was, no, that sort of person. But when she fell, she hit her head on the side of this, the metallic office tables they have. And she was knocked unconscious and they took her to hospital. And she picked up this negative energy from the hospital. Because when people die, a lot of spirits don't know where to go. They've never been instructed by priests. You know, if you see a tunnel of light, walk towards it. They don't know this. And they get frightened and they hide in the rafters of the hospital. Same in churches, they're full of spirits because people go to, I mean, dead people's spirits. They don't know what to do. So they go to the church. I mean, you know, what about, what about graveyards? Yeah, they're the same. The same. Graveyards are just full of bones. Normally, they're not

33:36many dead spirits in a graveyard. They tend to assemble together like the pyramids. They're full of them. A medium, Japanese medium called Gibble Ico. She went to go in the great pyramid of Kifu in Cairo. And she just saw so many spirits and got so upset that she walked out. It was just full of them. And they were trying to scratch her and pull her hair. So then another one, a friend of mine, his girlfriend, she had issues and I cleared it up. But then after a week or two, it came back again. And I thought that's very strange. And it seemed that her young son, who was about five or six at the time, he was also infected. And he was passing the spirits to her. I cleaned them from her. And then two days later, they were migrated from the boy to the mother.

34:40This sort of thing. And one of the reasons was she was sleeping in a room where somebody had taken their own life. You can't play with this stuff. And if somebody died, a sad life, it's quite possible their spirit is still there. Anyway, so that's, we cleared that. I thought it was so. So if a killer, if a killer has visited a house and people have been unalived, that should be avoided at all cost. Yes. So it depends how strong your immunity to this sort of thing. If you're a nervous sort of person, I wouldn't do it. I'm quite, you know, they wouldn't take me on. So I'm okay. But yeah, it's best to me. I don't know how that's a difficult question, because spirits can't actually physically help hurt you because they're invisible. They're like

35:45smoke, but they can make your life miserable psychologically, waking you up, you hearing moaning in the house, you feel drug cold drafts and things, you know, they won't stop. You've got to have the place exercised by a professional priest or whatever. Okay. The third story, an out of 80s, just a few I picked up. It's not exactly an exorcism, but this is an event that happened in 2014. A young girl, junior high school girl, she was 14 at the time. She'd been kidnapped. And it'd been over a year and there had been no contact from her kidnapper. It was in the newspapers. Everybody was looking for her. And I thought, well, why not use my pendulum to find out where she was, et cetera? Anyway, so I had an idea where she was, because

36:46pendulum you can use them to find things, not just direct energy and move energy around, but you can use them to find things. And so I thought I knew where she was. And then I asked a higher power to free her. And so I went to, I'm not a religious person, but I got books on angels. So I looked up the book on angels and I called on one and I said, told, and you don't have a conversation with angels. You just one way. But when the angel came into my room, oh, that was a big, a big surprise. Yeah. That really shook me. The energy is just so strong. It's loving, but it's so powerful. Anyway, so after I'd asked this power, this energy to free her five days later, she escaped her kidnapper and walked into a police station. And the

37:53only thing I knew about is when he turned the television on and then they were reporting about it. Wow. Yeah, that was quite moving. So the thing is, I didn't actually do anything. I just asked. Okay, so I don't like to get my ego involved in this and kind of show off. Oh, I like a super magician, etc. I don't. I just ask for help. And in this case, it was heard. And in fact, nearly every case is heard. I don't pray. And I just, it's more like a transaction for me. And so all I can give is gratitude, I always say, because heaven doesn't accept credit cards. But anyway, but if you are seriously grateful for what has happened, that's all they want. Also, I don't challenge for exorcisms. I believe it's part of my responsibilities, members of society to help people when they need it. Matthew chapter 10 says,

38:59freely received, freely give. I think that's enough. Even though I'm not a Christian, there's still some good things in the Bible. Also, there's this point of demons praying on the living as a challenge. These are the bad ones. These are the ones you have to be really careful of. But the same rules apply. They're just energy. And however bad they are, the other side, they can handle it. It's it's well within the power. In the 1970s in Japan, we had a problem with North Korean agents coming to Japan and kidnapping people to take them back to North Korea. We had several dozens. Probably 30 or 35, 40 people were taken somewhere young children. And unfortunately, only a few have ever been returned. Most of them are still in North Korea.

40:01And yeah, it's a miserable place to live. I've watched documentaries about that. We're at the 10 minute warning mark. Okay. John, please go to the next slide. Yes, please. Yes, please. Yes. So, so one of my questions, this is a practical challenge for exorcists. Is do spirits actually become free by killing the host? So like in the the garrison exorcism where the or the Pope's exorcism when he put the spirit into a pig, does killing the pig kill the spirit? Well, I don't think so because in Matthew chapter 10, it says that souls cannot be killed. Well, people may say and the pigs don't have souls. Well, actually animals do have souls. And Pope Francis

41:08suggested that animals may also go to heaven because they have souls. In reality, only God can take a soul out of the book of life. And so that's an important point. The possessed face. I don't know if you've seen this picture as a devil's advocate, but with Kiana Reeves and Al Pacino. Many people had a kind of mask on that was sneering. And I see that often people on the train, they will look at me and their face will change in front of me like a mask. And I think that they can read my energy and they see me as a threat. But normally I don't get involved, unless I've been asked, I will not take on ex-temporary work. In one interesting case, I was in a hospital for minor surgery and I was sitting in the canteen with a coffee and in front of me,

42:10a nurse was trying to spoon feed an old lady. And the old lady didn't want to cooperate. And the old lady kept on saying things like this food says like, shit, I'm not eating this. And anyway, I'm leaving tomorrow. And the nurse said, oh no, the doctor won't allow that. You know, and he's had this conversation going on suddenly, the old lady turned to look at me and she had this mask on. And she said, well, then I may take my own life then. She said to me, why she's saying, why is she telling me? The thing is that I started an MPO, a charity, to prevent people from taking their own lives. And I've been doing for 16 years. And I didn't feel threatened by this attack. I just laughed at the spirit behind the mask. But the point is, how did the spirit know this about me? You know, I don't have it on a label or my, you know, it just don't

43:11promote it. This is very, very interesting. Have you been following the Lindsay Clancy trial in Massachusetts? So when I saw her face and the call in the call, the first thing I said to my partner was, she looks like a demon. Yeah. Interesting. She originally told the, the police, that a voice had told her to kill her children. But recently, the defense has decided to leave that out of her testimony, because that's sort of very easy to challenge. And particularly in America, which is super religious. Anyway, so yeah, I thought that was a little bit interesting. She was saying, she was told to do it, but now she's not claiming that any longer. So when I check a person's energy,

44:15I check the power of each negative entity. And what I find is there's always one powerful troublemaker. And the others are all hangers on. So you get one person in the person's aura. And others will also crowd in there, sometimes 30, 50. But the possessed individual doesn't notice anything, except the energy is always being drained. They wake up tired, they tire very quickly, whatever they do, it doesn't help. And what is also very interesting, sometimes a spirit can also itself be possessed. So you have a possessing spirit with a spirit inside the we call it nesting. Very strange. The last point is that, and this puts me at odds with the Catholic Church is about damnation. Catholicism tends to like to publish people. They like their

45:20exorcist to command the spirits to be sent to hell, what they call lex talonis, eye for an eye. Actually, very few spirits are malevolent. They're often just lost and confused. So I do not agree with damnation. And I ask them to be sent to a higher dimension for reeducation, even the worst ones. I think compassion is more powerful than the Catholic punishment. I think you need to sympathize. You know, if you don't, we don't know this person's history, this spirit's history. And so they are just in ignorance and they need to be reeducated because they will come back again, this in the cycle of life. My last thing is that we're getting near the time, as I mentioned. We've got five minutes. Okay. I think people may hear this podcast and say, I want to do that.

46:27And so next slide, please. Yes, so there is a Bible for spiritual warfare. Not many people know about it. It's quite interesting. If you attempt to do exorcism without the correct spiritual protection and intention and attitude, you may become infested or possessed yourself. So for Christians, I suggest people read this unique Bible before doing anything rash. I think we could finish it there. There's a whole new another section we shouldn't get to. If we go to the last slide, please. You're going to pop pop pop pop. Last slide. Exorcist. Oh, the last one. Sorry. Last one. Yes. Keep going. Keep going. We'll jump this second. This one here. That way back.

47:30There we go. That one. Yes. So this is some interesting books to read. So 30 years among the dead by Carl Wickland, it's an old book. The English is a little bit strange, but what Carl Wickland, who is a psychiatrist, is saying is just first class. Raymond Grace, we're the, he's a bit crusty, but also he's the good thing. Gabrielle Amorth is interesting to read because it shows the difference between a non-religious person like myself doing an exorcism. No, sorry, I meant Gabrielle Amorth, who is a bishop, he's a Vatican exorcist and you can compare it to what Raymond Grace does and you wonder what it's all about. It's very interesting and there is that last little cartoon

48:32there I thought was kind of cute. Right. Dr. We've got a few little questions. Can you do some rapid fire answers to some questions? Oh, yes. Try to, yes. All right. Was Genesis historical? I'm not a Theologian, so I wouldn't like to say. All right, let's keep going. Let's keep going. I've got a couple of minutes. Couldn't possession and mental illness be one and the same? Yes. So that was in the second part which we didn't have time to talk about. I worked in a psychiatric hospital for two years as a volunteer and I found that 80% of the people in hospital shouldn't have been in hospital. They were there because they were highly stressed and they snapped or snapped at someone and then the police were called or an ambulance was called and then they were put in hospital and they don't deserve to be in hospital. 10% are seriously sick. They have

49:39some sort of neurological complications but 10% were possessed and I saw it all over the hospital. Yes. Right. Next question. Can you get a demon out by stopping drinking alcohol? Nothing to do with alcohol really. If you have an exorcism, you get rid of it but it may, you know, if the important thing is to keep your energy very high because that'll stop other things trying to get into your body. If you have a high immunity, a spiritual immunity, then they will not get in. It's only a few people that get attacked. The way I'm talking sounds like everybody gets attacked but it's only one person in a hundred or even less. Right. We have to leave it there because we've got another show starting. Absolutely fascinating as usual. Thank you for coming out Chris. I hope to see you again. Peace. Take care my friend. Take care. Cheers. All right folks. We've got another four hours of content coming up. We've got a

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