GoG S2 E4: Genius of Intentionality

0:00You're listening to Generations of Genius, the show where big ideas spark across generations. Every week, we'll tell stories and interview entrepreneurs of all ages, uncovering the genius that drives innovation forward, powered by innovation station kits on the launch network. Here's your host, award-winning inventor, children's offers, educator, and serial entrepreneur, Kelly Shea. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Generations of Genius, the podcast where we uncover the stories behind innovators, inventors, and change makers shaping our world, and, of course, inspiring the next generation to do the same. So today, I'm so excited for our guests because she's a personal friend of mine. Madeline has such a similar mission. She's an educator, innovation advocate, and the founder of Invent Curves, a nonprofit on a mission to change the face of invention.

1:02So with experience on both sides in and outside of the classroom, Madeline has dedicated her career to helping young people develop creativity, competence, and, of course, an innovator's mindset. Through invent hers, she's working to amplify the stories of women inventors while expanding who sees themselves as an inventor. So whether you're an educator, parent, inventor, or simply someone who loves learning about the people behind the ideas, this is a conversation you won't want to miss. So let's dive straight into things. How are you doing today? I'm fantastic. Thank you so much, Kelly. I'm super excited to be here. Yeah, no, thank you so much for coming. I know this was kind of like a natural fit. Of course, I've been wanting to have you on for a long time, but you've been busy kind of founding, or I don't want to say kind of, you've been busy in founding invent hers, and really pushing your nonprofit work out there.

2:07So I'd love to kind of hear from your perspective, you know, what is invent hers? What inspired you to start this? You know, I just, yeah, everything. Yeah. Well, honestly, women like you, Kelly, is exactly what inspired me to start this. My background is in education, and so I've worked within steam, you know, STEM, STEMI, all of the different acronyms for probably about the last 15 years. But I moved into a space that really targeted and focused on invention education, and I found my love there. Because as I mentioned, there's so many different acronyms for stream, steam, STEMI, but I really feel like invention education encompasses all of that. The true umbrella of what STEM and stream is, you know, trying to be. And so through that discovery, I found that invention is my passion. And over the last three years, I worked with thousands of students running them through different invention competitions.

3:14And something that I noticed was the gap in access for specifically girl inventors. We would see, you know, not just like double the amount of participants in male competitors, but often they had like quadruple the amount. I think a lot of the time when people hear that there's a gap of women inventors versus male inventors, they think, oh, maybe it's like a 60, 40 kind of split. But it's more like there's 13%. I actually think it's 16% of patent holders are women. And that's not a gap. That's a chasm. And I think in order to make gains and really work to bridge that gap, there has to be intentionality behind it. So that's what started inventors. I think that there needs to be a targeted approach to closing the gap when speaking about women inventors. So inventors works to support the next generation of women inventors. And I say that, but we target women. I really think invention is for all. So we, we work to help any inventor that sees themselves under represented in the field.

4:29Yeah, I, you know, I really love your mission. And I love that you're kind of helping all ages because from coming from my background that everyone kind of knows here from listening to this podcast. I struggled a lot growing up. And I wish that there were access to programs like yours to kind of show me one as a female, I can do it. And to just in general, I can do it. Right. Right. Because I just feel like you're, you're very strong in that. And since you've worked in so many different settings, I think you bring kind of a unique perspective to this space from, from our conversations and everything like that. Yeah. But, um, well, yeah. So something that I kind of really wanted to ask you was, and there might not be a clear answer. But from your perspective, why do you think that there's such a gap with women inventors?

5:30Great question. Uh, we all know it's not because women aren't creative. I think, you know, women are some of the most creative people on the planet. I think it goes back to systemic issues. Um, I think historically, uh, women haven't been allowed access to their own intellectual property. I think that there are tons of stories from the past where a woman has come up with an idea, but maybe it has been stolen or she hasn't had the right to claim ownership of that idea. Um, I can't remember the exact stat, but it was something like in the first 50 years of, you know, patenting, uh, opportunity. There's only about a hundred women that got patent during that time. And I mean thousands and thousands and thousands of males. So that tells me that there was a barrier that exists, you know, somewhere somehow. So I, I think that there are barriers involved. I think also historically,

6:35um, women have, uh, made careers within the home. And I think a lot of the time those skills aren't as valued, even though they are just as valuable. So I think a lot of the time women inventions come from spaces that are undervalued to society. So maybe they aren't put on a pedestal like, you know, the invention of the phone or something like that. Um, so I think they're all curable barriers with intention. Um, I don't think that, you know, we just like go about our business and then the problem fixes itself. Um, but I do see them being fixable problems. Yeah, 100% and I think we've seen society change because I know you're really big on the storytelling of women inventors and on this podcast as well. You know, I just spoke about Margaret, um, Margaret Knight, who invented the paperback and she had to go to court for. Someone claiming that, you know, she's a woman and she shouldn't have this patent because she's a woman. And that was it. Right. That was their argument. Um, so kind of how just from seeing these stories and everything. How have you seen or read up on the history of society changing over time. Like, do you see differences today?

8:00Yeah, absolutely do see differences. I think that we saw the long way to go. Um, but I think that there are tons of resources. There's been huge, you know, women in STEM movements with which I think is so, so important and that drive needs to continue. Um, yeah, and I do see there being more resources for, you know, specifically women entrepreneurs. There's lots of like business incubators. I see that are specifically set up for women, which I think are phenomenal. Um, something that I think needs to continue to happen is we need to continue to tell these stories. I think, you know, girls aren't lacking ideas. They're lacking examples. And so I think that we need to continue to tell these stories and something in curriculum develop. It's not a, um, sprinkle and stir kind of approach. Like we don't just like throw women examples to throw women examples. And there, um, I just keep using the word like intentionality, but like making sure that women's stories are told with purpose and not just to like throw a woman in there to, you know, check that box.

9:13Um, so building curriculum, building experiences, building stories with women, inventors, authentically placed in. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that. And I'm, you know, I'm writing down notes as I'm speaking with you as well, just because it's so powerful. And I think, you know, let's make the word of this episode intentionality. Okay. Thanks. Then I can just be saying it is. Yeah. No, I love that. I, I feel like that's, I don't want to say a word. I don't hear often. Like we hear intentional and you always be intentional. But it's like, what does that mean? Right? Right. Like when, when we're doing this and there's a lot of, I guess hesitation or I feel like sometimes in certain cases, women are scared to speak up because they don't want to seem like they're trying to dominate to an extent, right? But then it's also like, but you need to prove yourself also.

10:15Right. So it's that balance and that intentionality that I think helps society progress. I don't know if you agree with that. But yes, completely agree. And like, I just want to share, it is so hard. I think like the confidence factor and man, there are some women out there that are total boss babes that have the confidence down pat, but me personally, I was raised to sit there and be quiet and people really respect being quiet and like being proper and like, that's not generally what moves the needle. And so being okay with being loud and being seen and being bold and people not loving what you're doing. I'm such a people pleaser, but that's hard for me. But you get out there and you do these pitch competitions and like, yeah, you're going to have some naysayers in the crowd and not letting those people bring you down. And I'm still struggling through that all the time.

11:19Yeah, no, 100% and I think that's the, oh my gosh, why is my mind blanking? But oh, imposter syndrome. I love to know, I actually, I don't know if you know, I need a research like what the difference is with imposter syndrome in females with businesses versus males. I wonder what that is. I don't know. I've heard the like women are more or less likely to apply for jobs when they don't like, they can't check all the boxes of the skills that they have to have to do that job and men are more likely to be like, well, I can learn those things or that's not matter. I have some other things that will overcompensate. So yeah, we just as I think a whole need to work on just like dominating and being confident in our skills because we have plenty of them. Yeah, I love that. And I feel like that encapsulates what an inventor is to some extent as well, right? Like just having that confidence and and being a risk taker.

12:27Which you certainly did founding inventors and I'm wondering, you know, what as you were working through this and kind of shaping your mission and seeing other invention education programs in the market working with other invention education programs prior. Like what did you see where the challenges for yourself while while going through this process. Yeah, I am a perfectionist and I think that I'm hesitant to put myself out there or my product or my services before I feel like they're perfect. And as an entrepreneur, as an inventor, you don't wait until things are perfect to put them out there. You have to stress test things and you have to constantly be iterating and pivoting and so getting over my own perfection need for that. Like knowing that I'm going to put something out there and it's not going to be perfect. And I'm going to get feedback from people that parallels the imperfection and that's okay.

13:35And so we want that feedback. And so we've talked a lot about like the failing forward piece. I think that that's something that I'm still working on getting comfortable with just embracing the failure, not just being comfortable with but welcoming the failure. And so I'd say for anyone, whether you're starting a business or you're inventing something, put things out there before they're ready. And that seems so odd to me. Like you put something out there before you're ready to get it out. And that's something I've learned through you and Carmine at the United and Adventures Association too, where I look at all of you and I gain the support and wisdom. Like it's one of those things sometimes where you hear the advice and you're like, hmm, okay. And then you go through the thing and you're like, okay, yeah, that was really good advice. So yeah, yeah. No, it's always easier said than done. You know, through the UI and I know through programs you do as well. It's like, yeah, just put something out there. That's what you're supposed to do.

14:39Like, blah, blah. And then when it comes to your own business, you're like, I have to put something out there. It's people are going to say things about it. And I love everything that they say. And that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that. And I agree with you wholeheartedly because it's just, it's just a challenge, but it's one that's exciting and new. And you're going to have doubts and you're going to be excited, but it's just, it is what it is. I think something too that helps me when I'm feeling really nervous is I heard ones that like the excitement and fear is like stored in a similar place in your brain. And so sometimes when you're really, really excited about that, it can feel like you're really, really scared about something. And so I try and like trick myself, I guess when I'm feeling fear, I'm like, oh, no, actually that's not fair. You're really excited about this thing.

15:41And sometimes that's true. And sometimes I'm just telling myself so that it may be able to feature. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with you. It's hard, especially as the people please are sorry to just, I don't know. But I kind of want to discuss a little bit, you know, with your work with youth and so many different women inventors. Do you think that you're naturally born with kind of that entrepreneurial inventive spirit or do you think it can be taught? Because I know that's a big debate in the world of invention education. And I'm really interested to hear your perspective. Certainly don't have and didn't research on this, but I haven't appeared. Yeah, just like from what your observation based down. I think that everyone's born with the capacity to be an inventor. I think that just like any skill you strengthen it through practice. So I think everyone, yes, everyone's born an inventor.

16:42I think that there are things that you can do throughout your life that makes you a better inventor, but it just makes you make it me more ingrained like you're just naturally like that's how your mind just works. And so I think that that starts young and I know that you've talked about different strategies, you know, on the podcast before, but I think just allowing exploration and actually doesn't have to be young allowing your mind to explore no matter what age you are and really strengthening that muscle of exploration creativity and curiosity. And I think those are the things that really propel you into an inventor's mindset, but I do think that I've room on was born with one. Yeah, yeah, like intentionally bringing that out. In tensionality, that's right. Intentionality of bringing it up.

17:44Because it's it's I and I agree with you wholeheartedly because and you know that your take is an interesting one because in the past two I've said, you know, oh, I think it can be taught, but I've never thought of like, hey, it's your born with it and you need to strengthen those muscles of that creative mindset because that again is what inventor is it's not just making a product it's having the mindset of being able to grow and critically think. Problem solved all that sure yes, yes, and something I was talking about with the homeschool like thinking beyond what's obvious and I think that that requires, you know, a strength thing where your brain loves patterns so your brain is automatic like if you don't strengthen the skill of looking beyond the obvious your brain is always going to go to what's most obvious and easiest because like, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, like what's the what's most natural kind like that kind of yeah, but what do you think because you've worked in and out of school settings as well, so I'm curious.

18:54Is there something that you think schools are doing well for this right now and what do you think can be done more I guess with schools homeschool to kind of strengthen that muscle. Yeah, I think this is a really hard conversation right now because I think you know schools are really being throttled as far as what they can and can't do and I think a lot of the time you know schools and teachers they want to do things but they're up against boundaries and guidelines that they also have to follow to keep their jobs so things that I think schools are doing really well right now I see schools. I see schools with some really great inquiry models and I would like to see them be more trans disciplinary so really stretch across all of those subjects so when I see schools really being interested in like project based models I think that's great and I think that that's a natural bridge to really enveloping yourself in invention education so schools that are doing project based learning schools that are doing inquiry units schools that are trying to do.

20:04I think that's a really good thing to do is that are trying to really do like multi disciplinary integration I think that those are really fantastic I think schools that allow their kids to have free play and I'm talking about like free play not just in preschool but like free play and even middle school classrooms with tools and like obviously the tools change and we develop and the appropriate but some more freedoms schools that allow their students more freedom. I think that's solid and intentional freedom I don't think like it's like go but go with intention and maybe some parameters that fit so I think it's again I think that's really hard and I think that there are lots of teachers that probably are like yeah we know we would love to be doing that but we can't and I I hear you and so it's really good. It's never blamed for the teachers it's just I think the system right now so so for all everyone listening I think you know be supportive of educational models that allow for more exploration and in curiosity and not just standardized learning yeah I love that and there's a few things I want to touch on with your points as well because one I want to shout out guys she has so many resources on her website too that you can bring in for the school.

21:33So please go visit her website it's going to be in the caption below we'll have her kind of mention it at the end as well go visit that. Another thing I wanted to mention was we hear a lot of stories about that right like allowing free play or you have a natural knack for curiosity when you're born you're curious when you're born you know what your parents do their videos out there where it's like what do my what do your parents do and it's a preschool or going like that. She's like oh I work for the government like I'm in the military ball the you know so it's those funny stories there and when I was listening to the other day I'm not sure are you familiar with um teeny young she was on next level chef. She was recently a creator on the Forbes 30 list and while it's not directly invention education it was so interesting because she talked about how she hated math she was terrible at math and then high school there was a class that was cooking and she was like oh that's awesome I can eat food during school and skip math sometimes I want to go back to school.

22:49Sometimes I want to do that and you know in a recent podcast that she was doing she was talking about how it helped her with math because it all clicked and she's like oh my god I need to understand this so that I can become a better cook so that my food tastes better and it's that free play I don't even though that's not necessarily free play like she was getting credits and stuff like that. It's almost unintentionally yet providing resources for that growth so yeah I'm just curious you know if you have any take on that as well. I know I think that that is beautiful I love what you said at the beginning where like generally kids just kind of become what their parents like have become because that's what they know and I think that's shifting because there's so much more access. Now like you know you see more on TV and you can look at things online and you just have more access to people now because I feel like and you know I'm not like terribly old but I'm not terribly young either but like when I was growing up I feel like I knew only about like six professions like you were going to be a teacher you're going to be a veterinarian an astronaut maybe a police officer and there was just like kind of this handful of professions.

24:14And oh my goodness there is a job out there for everything anything you could dream of there's a job out there so my thoughts to your point is kind of follow your tangents follow your kids tangents whatever you are passionate about whatever your kids are passionate about there's probably a job out there for that and if you think outside of the box like I'm not going to be a good cook. You know you're just going to be able to like search the job online sometimes you have to create that job you know out there but finding your own passions like don't cater yourself for a career cater a career for you I guess where find what you're good at find what you're passionate about and follow that and everything else hopefully will come into place and I also like that kind of flip to learning my passion. flipped learning model. This would be like my dream model, but it's just not like realistic,

25:17like a teacher can't do this for 30 kids in their class. But the having them engage in a project and when they need the skills, that's when they're taught the skills. Like don't come teach them long division. Like today we're learning long division. Have them build a business that they're really passionate about and in an order for them to move forward in their business, they need to know long division. So they come to you and they're like, I need this. So like you're teaching them something that they desperately want to learn. But again, that's not realistic to do in a classroom of 30 kids. But if you're homeschooling, that might be an appropriate model. Yeah, 100% and you know, you mentioned a point that I would also love to kind of hear your perspective on is, you know, we talked about how you can strengthen those inventor muscles, some ways that you can do it. But like what I guess, you know, obviously you have some resources and things of that nature. But one,

26:21what skills do you think kind of invention education can bring to help you progress and be curious and learn. But then also, what can we be doing at home for kids as well? Like outside of the club, because like you said, the classroom system, it's really hard to change. So it's like, you know, what what can you be doing at home and then what what skills will that bring to your to the next generation? For sure. I have my own resources, but there's tons of resources out there on traits of an innovator's mindset. And there's a bunch of like groupings of them, but they kind of all follow a similar plane. So if anyone wanted to look up like traits of an innovator, those are the skills that I think you need to strengthen in order to be a productive in or an inventor that displays around too. And some of those you've already mentioned, like like being like risk assessment, like I think that those are our skills that you need to

27:27help your kids strengthen early on weighing risk, because there are positive risks to take. And I think sometimes we really focus on like the negativity of potential risk. But risk is not always a bad thing. And so having those types of conversations, I think having conversations about empathy, I think, you know, invention is generally all about human centered design. Like what are the needs of humans or the environment or your pets, you know, it doesn't just have to be humans, but like what are the needs of the world? And we have to be able to recognize those needs. So having those types of curiosity questions about what's going on, one of my favorite things that I actually have on my own and you know, we have a like a family version is noticing problems is the first step to becoming an inventor. And so we have 100% yes, like a problem parking lot, where like in our family, like when we experience a problem, we write it on the problem parking lot.

28:31And I have my own like inventors log where when I'm making observations or I'm noticing problems, I'm writing them down because to be a prolific inventor, you've got to have a prolific amount of problems too to cycle through. And I think, you know, inventors, they don't normally just sit down and think, hmm, what's the problem that I'm going to solve today? Generally, it's more authentically noticed. And so like keeping a list. So that was a long tangent. But I think if I was going to give one thing is teach your kids to notice problems productively. So not just notice problems to complain about them, but notice problems with the intention, intentionality to seek out solutions. Yeah, I love that. And I, I am such a mean fiance because I always tell him when, when there's like a problem, he's like, he loves to point. This is I think maybe a boy thing, a man thing, no offense. But yes, you know, like they'll be like, oh, yeah, there's something on the floor. And then they

29:34just walk away. And I'm like, how about that? Okay, let's pick it up. Like, yeah, like, so I've, I've been recently, I've been recently doing, maybe I'm just training for the future when I have a child, but I'm like, okay, use our critical thinking skills. What's the problem? And how can we solve it? Like, what are we going to do about? Yeah. And I think like that's something, you know, we're talking about our spouses and that same, same. Yeah. But like what parents don't want more independent kids. Like, I think most parents want more and. Yeah. Yeah. And so this, this is the outlet for that, or the pathway to independent is like, and I see that between me and my friends and like, just as an adult, I can tell who has more confidence in their problem solving abilities than others. And the ones who are more confident, I think have more experiences because I don't know, I'm just going

30:34to try something and I'm, I'm confident I'm going to be able to figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and that's, you know, exactly the point of like, when, when kids are experiencing these problems, they're throwing it like, I don't want to say a tantrum. But like, your experience, the problem, oh, well, what do you think could have been better? Like, what do you think we could have done? You know, because it's, it's just asking simple questions. And I love what you said of, everyone wants more independent child. So yeah, but kind of moving past that too, because I don't want to take up too much more of your time, but I just have a couple more questions here. Recently, we talked about how you've created a big shift to to focus on patents and kind of bridging that gap. So how important do you think it is for children and kind of everyone to learn about patent

31:35process and protecting their ideas and kind of going through that? I think it's very important. And I think that there is like a scaffolding of how you approach that. Like, do I think that a elementary schooler needs to know the ins and outs of intellect? No, but understanding and having awareness of that. And I also think generally, yes, absolutely, everyone should know, but if you're a student, and this happens in elementary school, if you're a student that participates in science competition science fairs, any type of like competition, you should know about intellectual property because those ideas apps, their phenomenal ideas and the amount of people with eyes on those ideas sometimes, like you want to know about how you can protect yourself from being copied. I think one of the biggest examples that I give is Taylor Swift. Like, I think that she's a young

32:41woman who wishes that she would have known more about intellectual property when she started out as an artist. And so I think intellectual property, we talk a lot about it in the invention space specifically in STEM, like you're coming up with an invention, but intellectual property is so important to a creator of all kinds, whether you're painting, whether you're creating curriculum, whether you're writing books. And so, you know, I think that the importance of intellectual property expands beyond the STEM. And that's, I think, where it's focused on. And especially there's been so much boom about entrepreneurship and youth entrepreneurship. And I think that that's so phenomenal. But yeah, if you're starting a business, you should have some understanding a little bit about intellectual property. And we talked at the beginning about so many women getting their ideas stolen. Yeah, I think that you have to have some legal protection behind what you're doing. So that I like want to have

33:51the good feelings that no one would come along and steal your hard work. But like, no, it happens all the time. So, I think just bring awareness. And I think to, you know, patenting and actually Kelly, you know more about this than I do. But I think patenting and like trademarking, those are two different things like to get a trademark. Like, yeah, I have a trademark. And you know, it's not that difficult to get something trademark. It's more difficult to get something patent. But like, trademarking is easy. And so more people could own intellectual property if they had more awareness about it. And I'll tell you as it, and before I came into this space, no idea, no idea what that was. And I wish I did. That's where I feel like a lot of people confuse trademark and patenting. And yeah, just a disclaimer, we are not patent attorneys. We don't claim to be patent attorneys. Yeah, yeah. But just kind of, you know, yeah. And just like getting from you should

34:55familiarize yourself with things. There's a balance in inventing and the inventor mindset and creating. And you should know what you're getting into. So doing that research, talking to people, and just kind of learning. You should be a sponge, right? Yes. Yeah. I just have two more kind of questions for you as we as we wrap up. The first one I want to know. Going back to your business in the next five years, like, what do you see yourself doing? Like, what do you want to do? I guess with with your company. Yeah, great question. I would love to have a national club model of inventors. So not necessarily a club or a camp that went from concept to commercialization, but more a club model that worked to cultivate that innovator's mindset really work on the identity

36:01piece. So it's not so much a club about an invention, making an invention, but a club about being an inventor and what skills and mindsets we need to strengthen in order to do that. And there will be some product and prototype creation within. But I see I see lots of really great club models that are building a business or building a product, which is super, super cool. But I think there's room for the alternative of like, it's not about the invention. It's about the inventor. And so I would love to see myself have more of like a club base model about that and curriculum that goes along with that. If we're going 10 years down the line and my big, big dreams, I would love to have like an invention shed space where it's like a make base, but it's invention based. And so I have lots of big dreams for the future, but I'll stick to my curriculum.

37:02I love that. And I think that's so important. And I know that you'll get there. Like it is, it's so awesome. I would love to see your lab one day with your logo up top and you know, all the little inventors inside. I am hoping and dreaming that for you as well. Before we kind of ask you for the wrap up of your website and all of that, I know you have some events coming up. But if a 10 year old girl is listening to this or if someone with a daughter is listening to this, maybe a woman inventor, older, whatever it may be. And they have an idea, but they're not sure if they're smart enough to pursue it. Like what advice would you give them? Well, it would be like full stop. That's all not true. Like get rid of the impossible syndrome and go out before you're ready. But I think going back to the, you don't have to have everything

38:02to begin. And I think you don't know everyone's backstory. And a lot of people out there look really polished and that they have all their stuff together. But they don't like. And so it's the fake it till you make it kind of thing. And I think to this is like, well, this isn't very like targeted one sentence advice. But I find that a lot of the time, I think that people don't, I think that everyone knows what I know. And I think it's because we put ourselves in spaces where we talk with people that know maybe similar things. Like, you know, Kelly, you and I are friends. And so like, if I would base our conversations about invention, education, like, that's not the same perspective that everyone else has. Like we have some like knowledge within the space. And not everyone has that same knowledge. So that was a long rambulant. But like, I assume everyone knows

39:06what I do. They don't. And so I say the same thing to all of you too. Like you have unique knowledge and perspectives that other people don't. And that's valuable. And that's important. And don't let anyone ever convince you otherwise. Love it. Love it. Well, thank you so much for coming on today and teaching us about the intentionality behind everything that you're doing. That is the word of the episode. I love that word. I'm going to use it now the rest of the day and all of my meetings. Let's, I love to hear from you kind of, is there anything that you want to share? Everyone should check out her resources. Please share your website and everything. Yeah. I do have a website. So it's www.inventhurs.org. We have all kinds of free resources on there from mini newspapers to lessons to worksheets to coloring pages that are women inventor based.

40:12So we have the spectrum of things if you wanted to do a six week kind of unit with your homeschool co-op or your Girl Scout troop or if you're a teacher that has that allowance or an after school program. Great. There's that curriculum. But there's also things that like just, you know, grab and go type resources. So like I said, that's at inventors.org. And we do have quite a few activities. So at your base in the Tampa Bay area, we have a good balance of free activities. We've just started with a homeschool co-op and we have something called coffee creativity and construction at a coffee shop called Cool Beans here in Palm Harbor. So that happens the third Thursday of every month. But there's all kinds of things. So check out the internet page. Yeah. Awesome. Well, I love it. I'm so excited. I'm hoping that I can make it out to one of the events soon. And I'd love to see, you know, we'd love to meet you guys there too. If you're in the Tampa area, definitely check out all of our resources. You can reach out to her through the website as well if you're interested in partnering or learning more how you can bring that to your community.

41:17But thank you so much for sharing your knowledge today and being on with us. Oh, well, Kelly, like you know, I'm the biggest imposter ever. So these types of experiences really integrate me. So thank you. I really appreciate it. No, you're awesome. And everyone, thank you so much for listening today. Definitely stay tuned as we share more stories, meet with more innovators and just kind of share these resources with you all. So thank you so much for listening. Please make sure to subscribe. And so you know, when our next episode comes out, so thank you all.