Going deep on Ed Sheeran's Palestine downfall

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2:00Then explore exciting finds across the brands and categories you love. From beauty and fashion to home, culinary and outdoor living. Shop now at QVC.com. How about a tough and strong and stable leader? Hell yes, I'm tough enough. Shut the French. No, another one. It's the molotent show. Fuck off. Love our cosy nonsense. APPLAUSE A very sweet little joke. Tough day for you, Sean Hickey. Tough day. Every day is a tough day for Sean. You better give up your edge, Sharon Tickey. Sean had front row. He did, yeah. I had actually five dates for a team. But it wasn't anything to do with this controversy. He just listened to some of Ed Sheeran's music. And that's why Sean's given up the tickets. Do you know why I have his autograph? OK. I do. I genuinely do. I have Ed Sheeran's autograph. I saw him on HMV Graphed in Street in 2011.

3:01What's it like, 18 times? Yeah, yeah. It hadn't come out yet. The whole album hadn't come out. Because he's Irish, isn't he? Well, that's what he's been playing. Or he was Irish up until recently. I've really enjoyed the taking of his Irish carried away from him. I think it's beautiful. Bono next, I say. Do you know what we're going to do? We're going to do a little recap. We're going to talk you through what's happened with Ed Sheeran. And then we'll do a little chat. How about that? Let's do it. I love doing production while we're doing the vocals. Yeah. Let's start from the beginning. So what's been going on? How did this all begin? So why you've seen him crying is essentially, Mackelmore was part of Ed Sheeran's support for his US tour. He is obviously in the last two, three years been an outspoken advocate for Palestine. He released Heinshal in 2024, I think it was, but has had two pro-Palestine songs that have come out in the time since October 7. You might remember some of the songs that Mackelmore came out with before of Pro LGBT,

4:03but was very quick to tell everybody that he wasn't gay in the song. Pro thrifting as well as what? Pro thrifting. Yeah, exactly. Love secondhand clothes. He loves Palestine and he loves gay people, but he is not gay. Make sure that you know that. Or thrifting. Yeah, the trifecta of things he isn't. So he was on the... The Bermuda Mackelmore. The Bermuda. We know what he isn't. We just don't know what he is. Yes, well, what's your rating as Mackelmore? But what he is is staunchly pro-Palestine and was staunchly pro-Palestine before he went on Ed Sheeran's tour and predictably has been using the platform in Ed Sheeran Stadium tour in the United States to pour forward his message of solidarity with the Palestinians. So he's been doing a kneecap or he's been doing a massive attack? Yes. It sounds quite similar to... We went to see massive attacks, didn't we last year? They were fantastic. It sounds pretty similar. So he was displaying images of the destroyed cities in Gaza

5:05and then behind him and then he was speaking. He was saying that the people all the way in Gaza to the Occupy West Bank know that we have not forgotten about them. I say free Palestine. I say free Lebanon, free Cuba to the Congo to Sudan to Iran. So he's really covered all bases there because the big argument that you do here often, actually, I've had this argument given to me on Radio 40 of the day, which was the left of only focused on Palestine and the Israel Guards of War. They don't ever talk about any of the other conflicts in the world. Well, he's covered a few of them there. Yeah, I think you can fairly easily say it. Lebanon, Cuba, Cuba, Congo, Sudan, Iran. Yeah, there's probably a few more he could have mentioned. There's a few more, but I mean, he's been pretty comprehensive there. Very silent on the Irish struggle. We will know. He has got a song called Irish celebration, you know? Irish either, that was it. He is arguably more Irish, I'd say, than Ed Sheeran. But maybe we can get into that. That's because you've claimed him. OK, so after this, this is, of course, outrage from the New England Patriots.

6:07He's the owner, isn't he? Robert Kraft. He's the owner and he owns the city and the internet game as well. So then according to the Wall Street Journal, he called Sheeran and the team and the loop-tall promoters to tell them that he and other NFL stadium owners would not be hosting him anymore. Now, that's interesting because there's a rub there, isn't there? Well, so long as Maclamore was on the stadium tour. Oh, yes, sorry. I thought that was a given. Mine was a state, yeah. But Ed Sheeran can come. Maclamore cannot. So long as he's there, you're not there. However, arguably, really, that's probably what the Irish struggle boils down to, isn't it? Would you say that Ed Sheeran was the Protestant here and Maclamore was the Catholic? There's probably something in that. There's probably something in that. He is, Ed Sheeran is the bono of this situation. And Maclamore is the Damian Demsie, Christie Moore. I think that kind of works quite well because you know how like YouTube just put that album on everyone's phones and we all just had to listen to it.

7:07That's sort of how I feel about Ed Sheeran's music. I have never gone out of my way to listen to it, but I do know. You find yourself listening to it. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, so it was constituted as hate speech according to Rubbercraft. So let's have a little look at what he was displaying on the tour. One of the reasons why I wanted to come on this tour was because I wanted to stand up here on stages and stadiums across America and say two words that are very near and dear to my heart. Three Palestine. I said three Palestine. Yes, then on night two in New Jersey, he mentioned Palestine again. He said that he, quote, wanted to stand up here on stages and stadiums across America and say two words that are very near and dear to my heart, three Palestine. Then addressed his Jewish brothers and sisters

8:09in the audience clarifying that his criticisms towards Israel and apartheid being against genocide and are not a criticism of them then being his Jewish fans and Jewish people in the stadium. Added that he wanted the people in Gaza and the West Bank to know that they have not been forgotten. But which is correct to say three Palestine is not to attack the Jewish people in the audience. And arguably, I would say that is actually anti-Semitic, if you would be conflating. Conflating with the Jewish people who are standing in the audience in an American audience. So there's a rub here, though, isn't there, Sean? Well, the rubbers that these stadiums that have pulled out from, or threatened to pull out from the tour had hosted, some of them had hosted, I think two of them hosted Kanye West on his American tour. Who recently had sold a t-shirt on his website that had a swastika on it and had also, well, arbiter of the greatest hits like Hylhilla.

9:11Prefaced by the N word as well. Well, I can't believe that. Hylhilla. I thought I'd leave that out. I suppose because you're Irish, you can say that, can't you? Because, of course. That's OK. But no, the idea that someone like Kanye West is acceptable to have in the stadium, but to address Maccamore as a concern of anti-Semitism when he's saying free Palestine. But Kanye West, having sold swastika t-shirts on his website and having said, having been in public very anti-smitic before posting songs like Hylhilla. Is a bizarre double standard to have. And it does make you wonder, do these stadium owners actually have a vested interest? Well, OK, so then this is when it explodes. So then media outlets and social media picks it up. The Israeli American Council petitions share into a move, Maccamore, from his tour. And then this is when Pink and Boy George get involved.

10:12And Pink comes out and says, and she does this huge statement about it. And Boy George has been doing a lot of statements about it. I think he just put out a pro-Israel song as well, didn't he? Yep, made by AI as well. Made by AI. Do you know that's kind of fitting for Boy George? And AI pro-Israel song. Yeah, do you think he changed himself to the radiator while he made that? Or do you think that that was just because you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He changed that guy to the radiator. Foulson Prism and Thing, isn't it? Yeah. Who among us? Oh, yeah. No, he did at the time as well when that song came out just on the side, threatened his band that if they refuse to play that song on tour, then they would be fired. Right. OK. OK. So then this statement comes out in the rolling stone. Go on. So a couple of days later, the tour group released the statement said that Maccomor was dropped from the rest of the tour, quote, as the concert promoter for Ed Sheeran's US loop tour, we have been notified by venues on the upcoming US tour dates

11:15that they will not allow a concert to take place with Maccomor on the line up and would result in the cancellation of the tour and impact hundreds of thousands of fans. After discussions with stakeholders, Maccomor will not be performing on the remaining support dates. Just a little interjection here. I thought that it was just sponsored by Loop. I didn't realize it was the loop tour. You know, the loop things that you were in here? Yeah, soundproofing things or to protect your ears at the concert. I'm getting into trying to wear them a bit more often now. I went to one of my favorite venues the other week. It was the Shackle Well Arms. And I was like, it's so, I felt like really old, but I was like, this is, this actually could be really damaging to my ears. Yeah, well you know venues like that do like earplugs behind the barn. Yeah, no, I know they do, but I don't like them. I don't like the squishing, the foam in there. Yeah, and then it expands in your canal. Yeah, it's a strange sensation. You can actually still hear it. Whereas with those things, it just sort of like... Muffles it. It muffles it. And then you can't really enjoy it as much. Yeah.

12:15Just like there's like, tampon in my ear. That's right. OK, so then on the same day, so then Maccomor takes a social media and he explains his side of the story. And he says that him, Sharon and Pink, and not victims, they have careers, money, opportunity, safety, and audiences around the world that the real victims of Palestinian people, the men, women and children who have been killed, starve, displaced, and forced to live through unimaginable violence. Then Maccomor detonates as a loop to earnings and million dollars to the Palestinian organizations. And challenges cross the match. And then children's entertainer matches the million dollar donation as well. Miss Rachel. Who remet... I don't know anything about Miss Rachel apart from her doing pro-Palestine stuff. I think it's because we don't have children. Yeah, probably. Yeah, I'm not usually on YouTube kids. It is like she's a big creator on YouTube kids. I find it really weird if you sat here and said you did know who Miss Rachel is. Like, you just see that home watching the Miss Rachel. Right, it's half past five. Time to go on to YouTube kids and see what everyone's keeping up to date.

13:19She's relaxed. Yeah. I think it's a bit of Miss Rachel. It is quite funny, because she is a children's entertainer. And when she's talking about it, it does... The sort of... The attacks that have been levied on Miss Rachel are fascinating, aren't they? Because it's... She just comes out with the same argument every time. I just don't want children being killed. And you go, well, Miss Rachel, you can't really argue with that. On, can you? No, she's dead right. She's dead right. But then, so where are we then? So after Miss Rachel matches the donation from Maccomor two days later, Ed Sheeran's struggling to fill out the stadiums. So the resale price for his show plummets by 50%. I think there's a week between statements coming out and the show that came on Saturday, wasn't it? Yeah. According to the secondary ticket resale site TickPick, the Get in Price for Ed Sheeran's Philadelphia show was down by half. The link of financial field show was two and a half times higher

14:20in resale ticket sold. And then it's just this really uncomfortable show. So we're going to show you a statement shortly that what he made, but, you know, he has this really scaled-back show. He doesn't have a band there. He doesn't have his support acts there. Many of the support acts were Irish. Yeah. And the listening figures now for Maccomor, and that I can't remember the name of that Irish band was... Bioga are the support band for Ed Sheeran's tour for his Irish folk inspired songs. So straight after Maccomor was kicked off the show. This is incredibly significant, in my view, that an actual support band for him. So essentially his band decided to boycott the show because of the decision to get rid of Maccomor. Yeah. And they've now, they're enjoying some... Oh, yeah. But, yeah, yeah. But I mean, it's natural that that would happen after something like this. I mean, you have Ed Sheeran completely alone on stage in Philadelphia doing...

15:22Do we want to put the clip of his... You will put it here. I don't want to disappoint fans. And I've never wanted to be an activist musician, but this has put me in the middle of an important and passionate argument about freedom of speech and the most complex political issue on the planet. This is a humanitarian issue. And I cannot hide how I feel about it anymore. What happened in Israel and, either, know, of music festival on October 7th was horrific and compounded centuries of Jewish pain. What is happening in Gaza is a catastrophic and unjustifiable and disproportionate. My heart has been broken by the scale of devastation and loss of civilians' lives, of children's lives. And the systemic injustice we're seeing unfold in the West Bank cannot be overlooked. And then, so what he was talking about as well, he'd gotten rid of the second stage. So apparently, he normally has this second stage that's more in the crowd. I'm not really familiar with Ed Sheeran. Sorry, everything I've learnt about him

16:22might have really learned in the last couple of days. I'd imagine it's the same as like Annie Stadium tour where they've got like the middle thing. They'll do like an interval in the middle and then come back kind of. He goes off and does like a stripped-down segment of the concept there. I think it's so that people... people who've got maybe some of the more cheap seats can see him or whatever. I don't know. But anyway, he didn't do it because he was worried about concerns for his safety. He didn't know what was going to happen. Therapy's biggest impact doesn't show up in some dramatic breakthrough. It shows up in the smallest moments. You bite your tongue instead of escalating. You put your phone down instead of firing off that text. You say what you actually mean instead of what would hurt someone else the most. Nobody applauds those moments, but they quietly change your life. That's what growing feels like and that's exactly what growth therapy is here for. Grow is therapy that works, covered by insurance. Sessions average $21 with insurance and some pay as little as $0 depending on their plan.

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18:25Cabins are disappeared fast and the prices will be reduced to $200 down at BKF-SEA.com. It's a politics show. It's a cost. It is interesting watching him, because he does it like a deer in headlights during that apology. Like he clearly didn't assess the ramifications or he didn't imagine that the public outcry would be what it was. But the point, I mean, I've done several bits of radio over the last couple of days on this, just because it keeps coming up in paper reviews or something like that. But I think I find it confusing why the perception would be that it wouldn't have kicked off in the way that it did. I mean, particularly someone like Ed Sheeran, who's grown his following on social media and he's been doing it by being very, I guess,

19:25relatable with his fans and having this sort of two-way audience that he's very communicative. I mean, I don't know if he has been since he's become a multi-millionaire, but that was certainly, wasn't he came up by sleeping on people's couches and busking and having this very sort of rather demure relationship with his fans? And people expect you to continue that conversation. And I think the silence is Reddler's apathy. So when he comes out with a statement or even my Maclemore was saying, you know, look, he's apolitical, people don't believe him because he's held shows for Ukraine. He's held shows for Black Lives Matter. He has been very communicative with his public before. You also endorsed Corbin back in the day? Well, I think that has been boiled down slightly a little bit because can I tell you what actually happened? People were accusing him of being a Tory. And so he was like, I'm not a Tory, I would vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

20:26Look, I like this kind of. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't like he came out of the woodwork and said, Sure. Jeremy Corbyn's policy on broadband is fantastic. I think that everyone should have access to nationalised broadband. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. You know, he was a rebuttal to I'm not a Tory. Yeah, well, the other one then, okay, Black Lives Matter, I think that's why the UKRAIN had done benefit concerts to fight the far right. So for him to say that he isn't political is a lie. It's point blank, on true. But everyone is political and everything is political. Yeah. I'm sort of like, I'm getting, I find this sort of rebuttal at the moment that you're hearing from a lot of sort of more right wing commentators and colon writers, really tiresome of, why can't I go anywhere without having politics trust down my throat? Everything is political. Like the price that you're paying for, like even when you get in your car, the price that you're paying for the fuel is political because it's linked to an illegal war in Iran. Yeah. Like everything is political, the price of which you're paying for your bread and your milk at the supermarket is political because farmers are being strangled

21:30in some cases by supermarkets to provide very cheap food at the, you know, at the behest of supermarkets profits. Sorry to go on. But everything is political. And aside from that, art itself is political. Absolutely. Like outside of you being a political being, your flesh and blood being political, your body being politicized by everything and anything, if you are a creator of any shape, you mentioned earlier on this idea that Ed Sheeran had kind of built his story of couch surfing and being the busker and playing to empty-step, empty rooms and all this kind of thing. That is political. Everything that he has presented about himself prior to what has happened with him and Macklemore has been political. Just not picking aside on a certain issue, except when it comes to Ukraine, except when it comes to Black Lives Matter, except when it comes to fighting the far right. So he has got a track record of picking aside on something.

22:30And particularly when it comes to the idea of, he is a one-man show, he has his own production company, he has his own, apart from the tour management group. Well, he is a one-man show now, isn't he? Hundreds of millions of dollars that man has made over the course of 15, 20 years in the music industry. The idea in his statement of him saying, I can't let the fans down by not doing these shows. So I'm going to continue doing these shows and take a political stand by refusing somebody else to be on the show that I've decided it is important for their voice to be on it. It says a lot about the, I don't want to call him greedy, but the idea that he could very easily have pulled those tours but I don't know if he could have easily pulled those tours. And that's the one acquiesce I will give. Okay. Is that I think he should have been more transparent. I mean, we don't actually know. I think Paloma face. Paloma face? Yeah. No, no, I'm thinking of...

23:30She was on... I am thinking of Paloma face. It is. Paloma face. She made the point like, you know, you don't know how much he would have been personally liable for on that tour. I don't know if he would have had to pay $10 million out of pocket or something like that. I think he could have possibly, he should have come clean with his public and said, look, it's going to cost me $10 million. I am now doing this reticently, but I am having to do it because I don't have that sort of cash flow. But he might have that sort of cash flow. He does. I mean, he's a shareholder of the switch down F.C. But I mean, I just don't know. But I mean, I just don't know. That's the only Lankoy S.I. would have given to him. But I think he could have done it more in the, you know, I think it was really, really ill thought through at best to just dump Mac or more and say, well, it is what it is. And then move on. You know, I just don't buy the apathy. I think, you know, he met with hostages as well after October 7th. This was a trip in doing that. You know, I think that, which is, I'm not saying that that's a bad thing to do.

24:33I'm just saying that quite clearly you do feel a certain way about this conflict. And so it's not fair to say that you're apathetic on it. Yeah. I think that's probably the point. It's one, it's unfair to say that you're apathetic or apolitical on it. Two, I do think the money point is an important one because the wealth that he holds individually, he could have taken a hit on the remaining 10, I think, shows. It's actually crazy to me that Mac and all was even paid a million dollars for that. That seems like such a huge amount of money. But moreover, Mac and more had, we're talking like, well, early 2010s, he was a moderately big name with like, Trift Shop and in my neck of the woods, Irish Celebration, which was a fantastic song. He has not been a big deal until two years ago when he came at Wahain's Hall and Hain's Hall Path to. So you know that this guy is very specifically politicized in a very specific way on an issue

25:36that in America more than anywhere else in the world is a highly divisive topic. So surely there's some due diligence that you've not done there. It's not a shock. Yeah, it's not a shock back. It comes out and it's sort of like, you know, when you're interviewing an author and you haven't read the book. It's like maybe he got up on stage and played that Hain's Hall and then Ed Sheeran's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, where did this come from? But Robert Kraft also being notoriously pro-Israel has a personal relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu. There's videos of him giving him gifts from, I think it's from the New England Patriots. He gives him a signed helmet from everyone on the team. So for Ed Sheeran to plead some sort of ignorance or a politicization of the whole thing, I think you could probably give him some credence in it and say, he's a busy touring musician, he doesn't know what the billionaire is into. But I would say you probably know enough about the groups and individuals that are supporting you on the tour

26:36to know that particularly in America, it might be an issue down the line at some point. I do think it was a missed opportunity for him to make a serious stand and say, as a cultural institution that he is like it or not. I'm going to move my stadium tour to smaller venues that have no issue with this. I have no issue with someone like Mac and more being on the stage because Mac and more has the right as an artist to have, as an individual, frankly as well, as someone with a platform and a moral compass to stand for something. And I think the thing that Ed Sheeran that's been proved in the last week and a half is that with someone with the potential for massive influence, he squandered his opportunity completely and he's come off horribly in the entire thing. You can really see that in his face, can't you? You can see that he's been very ill-soughts-free. He was reading off an auto queue in that statement.

27:36It's crazy to me to sort of how much money is also bandied about with all of it. The million dollars from Mac and what? I mean, how much does this tour grow? I think I'm thinking from the other perspective and going to see a lot of bands around London. And most of these bands are really struggling. They are so-for-surfing, like I guess what Ed Sheeran was doing at the beginning. There isn't money in the arts anymore. It's becoming- unfortunately it's becoming something that's exclusive to people who have parents who can afford to help them. Or people run themselves dry by working in pubs and restaurants alongside touring. And then they make themselves very ill off of doing it. They only really make money off the merch now if they're smaller bands. So at the end they'll be like, please buy the record because that's where they're making. Yeah, that's where they're getting any of their cash from. It's interesting, isn't it, to see the sort of- But the thing with those bands as well, sorry to interrupt. You've been to these gigs. I've been to these gigs as well.

28:3820 to 50 people in a room. But the people on the stage will still use their opportunity on the stage to say things outside of music that they might- Not all of them, but it's a tradition within the arts. That someone on a stage will say their piece about politics, geopolitics, genocides, whatever it might be, the weather that they're- Pick your favourite genocide. Whatever it might be. I think the point I was trying to land on was that I was listening to someone the other day. And they were saying that there needs to be money that's funneled into, say projects like the National Theatre or smaller music projects. It needs to come from the government. I think it perhaps it should be attacks because I'm thinking no one needs that much money. I thought there's people going to be laughing, listening to this. I just felt like that is such a huge sum of wealth. No one needs that much money. There should be attacks perhaps that then goes back into the smaller artist because then you've got more of a cycle of like,

29:40okay, fantastic, you've made it, you're paying these huge stadiums, but now that money's going to be recycled down into the bottom where you came from. Yeah. So that it can be elevated again. I mean, even in comedy, like you look at some of the more old school comedians and they'll talk about coming up during the 80s and the 90s and having government grants so that they were able to live and think about what they wanted to put on stage. But they didn't have to have a big full-time job while doing that. They actually had them the space and time to write a good show and then become successful. Yeah, sort of safety net just doesn't exist anymore. Anyway, the politics nonsense is, it just all is nonsense. Every single artist is political. Okay, let's talk like briefly Taylor Swift. She has come up against a slew of criticism for being quiet on political issues and not quite on others. So she's backed things like there was a certain vote that was happening in Tennessee and she put her full weight behind that. The democrat that she wanted to win didn't actually end up winning a Republican did one, but has been quiet on the conflict in Israel Gaza.

30:46Yeah. And then at her wedding, there were people who worked at ICE who were present at the wedding. And people are asking questions. They're saying, well, why, have you been sort of misselling yourself as someone who is apolitical? When you actually might be political. These are the questions people are asking. It's not organic to Ed Sheeran is the point I want to make. Yeah, this is happening across the world. It seems to be the super massive artist that are the problem artists when it comes to this radio head, YouTube, whoever it might be along with that. I mean, I don't expect Drake to be heavily political, but someone like him too. I know. Why? Because I think like, most people... You mean because he hasn't built his music on being political, but then Taylor's not necessarily that. It's not necessarily that. I think it's more that the people that go and listen to Drake and buy his tickets and not... They couldn't tell you the prime minister is. I don't agree with you. Really? I don't agree with you firstly because I think that that is... I think that's doing a disservice to the people who do...

31:49Yeah, I think a lot more people are political than we give them credit for. And then secondly, I would also say you should always be in politics into a arena where people might not know about it. Because that's how you get the cause out there. Yeah, yeah. It's sort of like why do you do a protest in King's Cross? Because someone who's just passing through King's Cross might see that and then change their mind. No, absolutely. There's no point in just playing to the gallery all the time. But I do wonder why people like Drake don't get the same kind of pressure to be political. Because I wonder if there's... It gets me busy with Kendrick, hasn't he? Well, there's that. But I wonder if there is just an inherent thing with Taylor Swift's audience, with Ed Sheeran's audience, that people are political in those spaces. You know, there was the thing with... Was it in 2024 or 2023 where she did a tour diary? There's like a backstage conversation being had where she's watching a presidential debate and it's like, Oh, I don't know if I should come out and support it. Maybe it was from 2020's, 2016, where I'm not sure if I should come out and support Hillary.

32:52Oh, really? And then one of her tour managers, Chimes in and says, No, we don't know how many Republicans are in your crowd. We don't want to alienate those people. They're not going to like... But then I was sure you were conversing with that and you think about Dolly Parton. I mean, she... I loved across the board. She... Yeah, that's a good point. But, no, but I would actually say she was... She married that line very well of being apolitical, whilst being political, because what she did was targeted support. So instead of, say, coming out with a speech about how there's literacy rates are low in America and people can't afford books, she just provided the books. Yes. Or in her area, if there was a... I think that Whitney Houston story is absolutely astonishing, isn't it? I was in tears when we were not in tears. But I was incredibly moved by some of the stuff that she did when we were gathering everything together. Yeah, I feel the same way. Yeah. You know what I'm saying, isn't it? The story being that when Whitney Houston sang, I will always love you. Dolly Parton obviously received hefty royalties.

33:54Royalties from that, because she wrote it. And then she just saved all of that money up and then bought a building, didn't she? Yeah. But the point being that what she did there was targeted support. She didn't come out and say, like, I feel like black people in America are not given access to the same luxuries that white people are. She didn't make a point about, like, with her rhetoric, she just gave the money. And it also didn't come out until decades after she did that. Do you used to do that as well, George Michael? Yeah, I heard that. George Michael is a big donor, wasn't he? A non-emist donor, wasn't it? Yeah. Or like, under an alias or something like that, or is Cyprian name? Yeah, he just never wanted any of the... He just gave loads of money and then never... I believe he was a big red, though, wasn't he? Died in the wall red, different to... Was he? Yeah, wasn't he a communist? He was a member of the communist group. Sorry, I thought you meant a Liverpool fan. The scocers are at the gate! The scocers are at the gate! I can say, obviously, maybe. Yeah.

34:57No, yeah, red Georgie, they called him. I think that'll do. What are you reckon? Yeah, I'm happy with that. All right, fellas, it's been great. Yeah, see you on the next one. Sometimes flavours need a pinch of salt to unleash their full potential. And life works the same way. Sometimes you just need to get a little salty to keep life interesting and deliciously sweet. Fuel your salty sweet cravings with Kachafa's new salted caramel all in one nutrition shake. Just two scoops provide the complete nutrition your body craves with protein, fiber, grains, and more. Embrace your salty side. Go to Kachafa.com and use code news for 15% off your first order. That's KACHAVA.com code news.

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