He’s here: Stephen A. Smith Drops By...Pt. 1

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3:03That's all. I promise I'll lean into the microphone. I don't think you'll have a problem here and me. I never really choose today. I've never been in the room today. It's Oscar Rally for real. This is very much when you're here. It's Oscar Rally for real. Man, I want to make sure everybody starts to get out. Everyone sounds good. I'm working on it. Good, man. It's y'all show. I'm here for that. Okay, so we're good guys. All right. Thank you. Street shooter. We're seeing a some straight shooter with Steven A Smith. Steven A, thank you for accepting our request to come on the show. Why did you decide now? I know you said that was the first time you heard of it. That was the first time. I was the first time you're out. I was the first time you were out. You were out. You were out. Okay, so why did you say yes? I'm curious. Because I would have said yes anytime you asked me to come on. There was anything in particular you had in mind? You wanted to talk about it all anytime. I used to work with y'all. I've known y'all for years. So hey, y'all, you look at me and you see me around. Who have I not talked to? Most people who request me.

4:04If I have it in my schedule, I say yes. Now, if there's certain people who want to take you who can never get me on show. Yeah, I know. You know that person. Yes, because I want nothing to do with him. But outside of that, if I have the time, anybody that calls me, I come. I just think that we should establish some baseline to write off the back. Like, I, I hope that this conversation allows us to see maybe each other's perspectives. What we believe is our truth. I know you have your truth. And I believe I have my truth. I'm sure you have yours. And I don't necessarily know if they all are in agreement. But I want to make sure that we absolutely say how we feel and you say how you feel. I also believe that we're just not going to agree on some things. And I'm okay with that. And I'm complete. Are you okay with that? Yeah. And I think you are too. Because you say this often on your own platform about, hey, we ain't got to disagree. Or we don't have to agree, rather. And so like I get that. I mean, for me, really, the reason I wanted to have this conversation because I didn't want you to have any illusion that there was,

5:09I've heard you refer not necessarily specifically to us. But just in general that it seems to me just based on what you've said, that you feel like people are coming for you now. Because once you got the contract and everything that everybody is like, oh, now is get Stephen A Smith. And I hope you have seen at least that the one thing that has been very consistent despite the disagreements that Karen, I may have had it with some of your positions. And even how you've talked about some of our friends is that we've never begrudge your success at all. If anything, we have been very, we have been very clear. So let me just, we're going to get this out right out the way you deserve every bit of your $1 million. Every dollar. Thank you. Every dollar. Yes. We have, we are not jealous of you. We are not jealous of your success. You deserve it. We have said this for years. And we want to make sure that we're really clear about that because we've noticed that when you, when someone disagrees with you in particular, that's on several occasions, you thought maybe it was because we weren't getting in my case the attention, or perhaps it was a concerted effort to take you down.

6:13There is no conspiracy theory to take you down. And I mean that that's on my grandmother, make you rest in peace. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And I think you actually believe me when I say that, but we do have things that we want to talk about. But we are not jealous. That is fiction. The jealousy that the comments about me feeling folks are jealous that was reserved for the men. I'm fully aware that the women have had a different issue and I'm here to talk about that. The jealousy with the dudes just look at the things that they say, look at when they say, look at how they say them. The fellas who have been in this business, who have been contemporaries and colleagues, that's what I was talking about. Do I have my issues with both of you and some of the things you said? Absolutely. And I can't wait to have that discussion. But it is not involving jealousy. Okay. Yeah, we just want to begrudge my success because I know that you both have reported me in real time, by the way, especially when I when I reached my deals, you've

7:15congratulated me in real time. And I'm really aware. And I also want to say that we've talked about this. And I just with you, just put with black men in general, when you guys get a platform and people are paying attention to you, I find it really hard to go after you or say something difficult about you because we already know what that looks like. And so it has to be, it has to be level 10. It has to be dire. It has to be so important for us to really say something. And I, I want to comment you have said from the genesis of our argument, why now, Carrie, why are you coming at me now? And in your, in on your podcast, you said, is it because I'm not getting the attention or all of these other things. And in my mind, I was like, Stephen A for years, I may have felt this, but never said anything because two emotions and two realities can coexist. I can't be rooting for you, but can be disappointed in some of the things that come out of your mouth. But I can also

8:17respectfully, I can also respond by saying you departed for first taking 2015. And if I didn't hear anything about any issue you've had with me until a year ago, I would ask, I think it's a legitimate question for me to ask. But you said something on your show that I was really smart. Silence is support. Me not speaking about it and being careful about what I say about you to people was my support. Okay. And because it was nobody's business, it was, we was keeping it in a family. It was nobody's business. How I felt. Well, I wasn't aware of how you felt privately or publicly. Of course. Tell you, well, wait a minute now is one thing to not say anything publicly. There are plenty of black women that do not have a problem with me. There are plenty of black women who show me nothing but love. And they're plenty. Well, you say this plenty, but you there's a lot. There's a lot. Okay. But but let's get everybody can't be wrong. Even the same way that you give context for why you behave the way you behave. Maybe that's

9:19the same context and understanding you should give the Jasmine or to me or to I'm just making somebody believe it or not. That is really why I'm here. Let's hope first take stuff and all of that stuff on me. Listen to me as far as I was concerned, I was a skit bailist ever. That's just the misunderstanding. The stuff that really, really is resonating with where you really pointed to is this black women issue. I'm here for it. Okay. So, so we're clear. I'm here. So just so you know where I came from. If I have all this history dealing with you and then I have another and then I see how you could be having and or talking about other black women, understand it's building for me. My silence over the years is the support of you. And so I didn't come out of anywhere. I'm giving you context. I didn't come out of anywhere with my critiques about hey, yo, stop, stop my girl. It's because I have worked with you. And I know that there were times in which I felt like you may have mispoken about black women and you didn't have my back. And so that is why I said what I said. It wasn't because I'm a part of a conspiracy theory. I don't want anybody to

10:24take you down. In fact, we need you to be better for us so we can move. We are, we are, it is detrimental for black women to have more black advocates. And so when you say you haven't heard anything, it's not because I didn't have beef. It's because it was a sign of respect for you. Well, Kerry, I'm respectfully. I don't look at it that way. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. But here's the reason why here's the reason why. And this is a big deal. This goes to both of y'all. It doesn't matter to me. I want you to hear my complete thought because I'm not saying it negatively. It does not matter to me how y'all feel about something that I say or do. If you tell me, I have enough respect for you to embrace it and inhale it with the truth that you're spewing it at me to address it. The issue that I've had with both of you is that I'm hearing it for the first time. And it was like, wait a minute. It's online. You got it done. I'm saying, I'm saying,

11:25it's online. It's like, wait a minute. I didn't tell you don't feel that way. I didn't tell you don't express it. But that's one of, that's one of the biggest issues that I have with people in the industry that talk about other people we've worked with. I'm saying, hey, you got to do you. You got to say what you got to say. If that's how you feel, you feel. So I shouldn't find out for the first time when everybody else is finding out. So what would you, what does that look like for you? What that looks like for me is that if Jamal, I have an issue with you directly. And I know you, I'm going to sit up there and tell you, well, you know, it's interesting. You brought that up, Stephen A. Sure. Because and not that I perceive this as an issue. And let me, let me just, let me just say this clearly is that when you're in the business, like you talk, you talk a lot because that's your job. You're on TV five days a week. You don't have the time to call everybody. That's fair. Right. And so most of us wearing this business of reacting in real time. And I remember,

12:26you know, when I went through my suspension at ESPN and one of the things I didn't like was that my colleagues were often being asked to answer for something I said. And I thought that put them in a really bad position because if I said that, you know, I said that Donald Trump was a white supremacist, I said that you didn't say that, right? But they're asking you about what I said. And so there was some comments that you made to the Washington Post were basically, and this is what Karen was talking about about silence being support. It's not that I expected you to be silent. But during that entire time, Stephen, you never called me. You never reached out. You didn't say anything. You say, hey, say, you good. I didn't have that expectation of you to be honest. So like, I'm not going to say like, oh, I felt away because you didn't, I didn't feel anyway. It was all good. But it was very interesting to me that you made these comments in the Washington Post, where essentially you sided with the company. All good. That's how you felt. I started with the company. What did I say? Oh, I really did. Please do. You were like, okay. So this is what you said to the Washington Post about my suspension. Do I

13:27believe the president should be wasting his time commenting about stuff like that referring to when he commented about me? No. Do I believe the president has been a bit juvenile in his behavior? Yes. Yes. Having said that is one thing to attack what he does. It's an entirely different matter to attack him. When you attack him, then we are stepping out of our lane, which oh, look at 2026, right? So funny. We are a sports network. We have an obligation to wake up every day with a mindset that we are not only speaking for ourselves, but we speak on behalf of the brand. It is not a brand that we own. It is a brand that employs us. It hasn't trusted us to represent it just as much as we care about representing ourselves. So with that in mind, we have to be cognizant of all those things. I am at, right? I get you were saying, Hey, where are DSPN? I said it on social media, whatever, the brand I represent that. You never called me. You never said anything like, Hey, you know, did, which is really wild. Will came. Will came was asked about my situation with Donald Trump. Will came sent me an email. He said, Hey, just so you're not blindsided. I said, X, Y and Z, I didn't

14:31agree what you did. But I by black here it is. Well, and I was like, damn, I really didn't expect that from Will. Okay. So if we're going to get into this game of like calling and making sure that people know about things that you say, it's like most of us don't do that. And if the reality is that that's not even possible in the game that we're in. So for you to take offense, especially when I know that it's pretty hard for you to follow that rule. It's like, that's kind of crazy. Because you never gave me that courtesy, but now you want me to give you that. That call was really pivotal for me. Hey, it's Emily Tish Sussman. And this season on She Pivots, the podcast where women share bold career moves and personal turning points that changed everything. I sit down with culture shifting women who share their pivots like Para Olympian, Allie Truett. I was like, I'm on out from a shark attack. There's no way in 11 months I'm making the very little index advocate Elizabeth Smart. I still feel that drive that I can still make a

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19:41and all the little details you might have missed while flipping between like 12 games at once. Whether you know every coach and coordinator or just want to understand why everybody is yelling, we're here to help make sense of the madness. Listen to the Solid Verbal College football show on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Well let me respond to that. Number one, you and Michael Smith will host the six o'clock sports hunt. And I want you to stay with me on this. You never once asked me for my advice about anything. I'm gonna tell you why that resonated because I got fired and I kind of knew where the mind fields were. And I wanted to tell, but I didn't feel welcome to. That's number one. I didn't feel like you. Why did you not feel welcome? Because we literally did a two hour podcast with you, Stephen A.

20:43No, I did. If you asked, I asked Michael, I tell Michael the same thing. I never felt like it was something I can volunteer. If you came to me and asked me that I would tell you, but I didn't feel that way. That was the one. That is interesting. You say that because you remember when our former co-host, you Douglas got fired, right? Yes. Do you remember how you responded to us? No, I don't. Okay, unsolicited. We didn't ask you. I mean, obviously all that happened at NABJ. We were literally walking on campus. We just, you know, we were in different buildings. So you're out of this. So you just happened to roll up on us. You kind of rigged us out and you were like, how did y'all let this happen to another black man? We did not solicit your advice in that case. You freely gave it to us and told us that you felt like we did. You wrote what happened? What happened was that since you brought it up, Hugh Douglas was a contributor to the ESPN. Hugh Douglas had an interpretation of what happened in terms of Michael Smith rolling up one

21:45in and saying, you done blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was, I think at the NABJ, I remember correctly. And you do. You let us know how embarrassing that was for black people. I was saying it was in a public setting. Damn, y'all. I mean, damn, what the hell? And I got on Hugh about this too. I said, you couldn't. I said, he said, you're I said, why the hell would you let that happen? What did you do, Hugh? I'm sure some very key details that Hugh Douglas left out. Cool. No problem. What I'm saying, what I was, what I was addressing was the fact that this happened as such a public platform. That's what I'm saying. That's number one. Number two, get back to the wash deposed. They're interviewing me. It wasn't about you. They were interviewing me about some other subjects, which I don't recall. And then they threw in a question about you and what happened to you. And what I was saying to you through that interview, through that answer was that, this is who we work for. We got bigger fish to fry. You got a four year deal. You're important. We need that damn voice.

22:45Eat that shit right now. Because guess what? You're going to have plenty of opportunities to get at this. We don't need to lose you, Jamel. You got a four year deal. This is year one. I got it. This is year one. It was great if you called me and told me that. Okay. Okay, but again, I'm on the end of you. It wasn't about you. And they asked me the question. So I gave a generic response like I would normally give. I didn't reen Jamel Hill. I didn't go on. Again, I did not take it. I did not take it that way. I was just basically saying because everybody says, Steve and A, you've experienced more than most. You've gotten fired. You got let go. You kind of humiliated. You've been brought back. You've seen it all. Yo, enlighten us. Let them know the game. And I'm sitting there like, they know the game. But just in case there's something that they miss. This is the minefield that I'm witnessing. And right now you and year one, you got people lining up not wanting you to succeed.

23:49And I'm like, Yo, Jamel, it's right. You're playing right into their hands. But see, here's the thing. That's what I'm saying. You felt real comfortable rolling up on us about Hugh Douglas. But you ain't feel comfortable telling me that. Well, Hugh Douglas is a different matter because you Douglas at Michael's. But you Douglas talking, talking almost getting into a damn fight and all of the stuff at that name. And as an old as as our old. And I got into his ass too. Yeah, I mean, you probably didn't understand the dynamics of what was going on. And I'm gonna give you that I didn't pretend to. I was just saying, yo, yo, I understand from the look of it. Got it. The optics got it. So my point is like, you were more than happy to serve as our OG. And that's how we looked at you. Like just the OG. And I mean that in a respectful, you know, manner like not calling. Oh, you know what I'm saying? A little. Right. But not calling you that. But my whole point is that like, oh, okay, you a roll out. And the Hugh Douglas thing was just nonsense. But that's important career shit. And I would like to think we had a good enough relationship that if you really felt that during that time where I'm in the struggle,

24:51I'm fighting for my life. That you would have reshot to me and been like, hey, yo, whatever, I may not have loved your advice. I may have been like, hey, I'm kind of on one right now. This is how I feel much like you felt about your suspension. That's how the fuck I felt about mine. Right. And so I get it. Everybody's not gonna agree. Understand that. But I also never blamed the SP for that. I was like, they got a, I'm fucking with the church's money. I got it. I understand that. But I knew that our relationship with my relationship with USPN was pretty much done after that. You've shown your hand. I've shown my wing. I know nothing else to talk about. It's all good. I'm one year into a four year. I actually have the leverage in many ways because they- But you have the leverage when it came to your money. Yeah. But when it comes to black voices being in a prominent position to disseminate a message on a night and night out basis. I understand that. I'm not only that. It's important to say this. Everybody ain't you. If I can't do what you do. So you, you being a voice and I've been on the record state in this.

25:55If you've- I heard you. You're gonna be- Absolutely heard you. You see me on the record saying, we miss her. This is somebody we need to have at this network. This is this is a loss for us. And I meant that because that voice was important. But we were in an untenable situation, Steven. Because was it- We got it. Like let's just take a moment. I will acknowledge you- No, no. I've never- You have never said that. Yeah. But publicly said you've never talked bad about us. I just want to make sure that we're putting this on the record. You have never talked bad about us publicly. But what we're talking about is when the veil is lifted behind the scenes. Okay. And so that is why when we get to this point when black women are saying and you think it's a few and then that's when I can even more nervous, Steven. I'm like, you only think it's a few. You only think it's a few black women who are concerned that you're being- Well, I want to say that there's an abundance of black women that support me and show me another but love. Of course. But there's also- So, do you think the other- The other- The other say it's 50%. Say it's 50%. Let's say it's 50%. I mean, just make it up now. Let's make it up. So what you're saying the other 50% is wrong?

26:56What are you saying? What are you saying? How do you feel about the 50% that you don't support you? Well, first of all, it depends on why they don't support me. The why matters because there are certain things. I'm not willing to compromise about. So if that means people are going to dislike me because of the positions that I hold. If I feel adamant about those positions, I'll stand on it and I'll take the heat that comes with it. If I feel it's erroneous, I'm going to say so. If I feel it's a lie, I'm going to say so. If I- If I fatically disagree with them, I'm going to say so. But if somebody has a problem with my position and I know I'm resolute in that position, I'm going to say I respect how you feel but if we respectfully disagree because I'm standing on it and I'm- And I want you to understand this too, Sivine is like, we all understand this being in this game but given our opinion that when it comes to when we talk about our own community, we already know what's going to happen. Like when men you had some criticisms of like Floyd Mayweather, right? They came for us, called us every man wish they possibly could. And we're talking about his record with domestic violence, right?

27:59So like, I understand, we all understand that you- most of us are in a precarious position when we talk about our community. Yeah, we are sensitive. History made us that way. Sure. We have the right to be sensitive. I agree with that. Right, you know how that is. And so like, I don't want you to think that we're coming from the perspective or I'll just speak from me, that I'm coming from the perspective like you can never criticize a black woman or you can't say what you really feel. I think you absolutely should. I think that's important to do that. However, it is the manner in which you do it that is the part that is concerning. Like I, you know, I'll take a personal like not with me. Join me as a big friend of ours. Geez, that's our girl, right? And the only thing, well, not the only thing. But what I didn't like about the argument or what you said about her is that I just noticed that when you talking about other folks, you applied nuance, you applied all these things, but what hurt you didn't. You went straight to her ratings. And I'm not saying that her ratings weren't down. And guess what? By the way, it happens every presidential election.

29:01The ratings go down, especially if you're representing a certain side. Every show on that network, the ratings went down by a lot. Every show, you even acknowledged yourself when you said that when you black, it's a different standard. So your acknowledging race was an issue by saying that. Totally. Exactly. But that's not what you said initially. You were like, she ain't get fired because of race. She got fired because of ratings. I was like, bro, literally all the shows were down between 30 and 40%. You knew it was something extra. You knew that with her stances, especially about Israel, the way that she was in the crosshairs of Donald Trump, you knew that made her vulnerable. So this wasn't purely a ratings issue. Yes. That's true. But what you come up jumping in. Well, you can say that. I don't look at it that way, but you are right. I said what I said. I'm sitting here with you today. And I meant what I said. I'm not backing up. She was a 47% drop.

30:02Now, let me explain why that matters. Because I was saying, yo, Joy, you have any idea what you bring to the table. You bring and the abundance of things into the table. Don't go all in on this dude to a point where if he wins. That's always a position. No, don't. That's always your position. I'm not going anywhere. We can talk. Okay. I'm not going. I'm not leaving. I mean, my point to you is this. I'm saying to you, what's it going to take to win? In other words, this man, the second he wins this election with his narcissistic pettias. The first thing he going to do is comfort somebody like you with general election. And he going to target you. He going to get you up out of the air. Correct. So I'm like, you going all in, you going all in, you going all in leading into the election. They ain't going to come save you. They pushing you to do this. Contents, this produces behind the scene. We know this gang. This reduces behind the scene. It's exactly the one. They push it and they push it and they push it.

31:03And that's after news networks. Also, then at the sports networks, they don't do it that much. But the news definitely they do that. And they pushing it. And I'm like, yo, this is going to be a losing formula. If this man wins the election. And so when it happened, I'm like, see, that's what I was worried about. So Stephen, this is maybe the fundamental part where there is where we maybe don't see the same side is that while I do admire the fact that you're looking at the big picture. And like, we need this voice on TV, right? We need this. We need joy. Read out there. We need me out there. I got it. But here's the thing is like, man, at some point, are we sure we won't carry. I'm. That ye message I, but,

32:03Jubin what does that? I know she. Matt because I. Departed and she was like you don't say it. I think not I won. So this is, this is where we are going. That's funny. This is where there is going to be a fundamental messed up. is that I'm not built that way, Stephen A. I'm just not. And yeah, I can see the big picture. Look, we in corporate America, we all make compromises. Like we know sometimes we gotta take that ill. It is what it is for the greater good. But there's a line. And the thing is, is like when you're like, oh, but you just gotta not be so hard because you know it'll wind up like this. And it's like, I just ain't for that shit. But that's not what I'm saying. No, you kind of are saying that. Well, no, no, to me, I'm not saying that. I'm saying be strategic. In other words, if strategy is often capitulation. Hold on, you can say it whatever way you want to. But in the end, if I looked at you and I said, hypothetically, just a hypothetical, Jamel Keri,

33:07over the next two years, you got an opportunity to affect the lives of 200 million people, hypothetically. But in this one particular instance, if you ride and ride and ride this to the end, you'll be gone before you could do that. You gonna get it off your chest, you gonna vent, you're gonna be legitimate in doing it. But it's gonna cost you what decision that you're gonna make. Some people will make the decision, I'm gonna play the long game. Some people gonna say, I ain't built for it. What I'm saying to you is that, okay, how many times have you heard in your life and in your career that were great talent and were great ability comes great responsibility. And sometimes you gotta eat some shit in the moment, meaning a particular battle to win a big award. I'm saying to you, when you get to where you were, and I'm not saying you ain't doing anything now

34:07because you always gonna do something because you're that kind of talent. But the point is, the position that you were in, here's what's at stake. And there's a bigger play down the road. That's what I was saying about Joy Reid. And I said, yo, that's why she walks around and you understand I may have met Joy Reid once said hello and kept it and that's it. I don't know her. So what I'm saying to you, I don't notice all I know is that, there she's smart. There she got a lot of good stuff to say. There she's a hell-raiser. Okay, this is the game you've entered because you decided to work for MSNBC in general electric. This is who this man is communicating with. This is how he's gonna target you. This is how he's coming for you. You gonna be ready for that? Because we need you, we need you. And that's what you were saying to on your show about her because I didn't hear any of this when you were referring to Joy Reid. The archives are there, the archives are there.

35:10Now I can't help if times went watch and sometimes people watch 60 minutes, sometimes you watch 30 minutes. Well, I can't watch 40 minutes. The whole thing they say. You know what I mean, I iterated some of these. I have, I don't know her. All I know is her resume and her clear obvious intellect. Okay, so I'm like, yo. But Steven, when you do have this platform and you do have these minutes to say nice things, don't you know what the papers will pick up on? They're not going to do that because of your platform. You said, oh, do you say at the papers? That's kind of true. That's kind of true. You know what the news is? That was the biggest thing I found on the paper. It's gone, I see. It's gone, I see. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. Even with you, even with yourself reading online all the time, but you bring it up. The papers. I'm saying I'm just saying the papers. I mean, on my fingers, you know what the papers are going to be. No, the papers. That call was really pivotal for me. Hey, it's Emily Tish Sussman.

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41:19It's like, I get it. Like you're in the business. Like you comment on what people are talking about, but especially knowing how much people were delighting in her being fired. For the hairline. I wasn't. No, you were. I was upset about it. No, but the hairline is gonna be Steven A. said, she was fired because her ratings, and I went and I was like, you know the pay for it. So this is y'all podcast right now that I'm sitting on. When you put this out to the masses, how many people that have absolutely positively nothing to do with this podcast is going to splice it up and put out their own material? Sure. What I'm saying to you, carry that then stop you from speaking the way you speak. You know, that doesn't stop you from doing. I mean, when we talking, we talking for an hour, we talking for an hour and a half. I mean, it's like, if I have to worry about every paragraph and every sentence that I utter, how can I work? How can I do?

42:19How can I speak about it? Can you lead? We just say, it's like this, I will concede that when you bring that up, there's a heightened level of sensitivity that I should have. That all of us should have. That's all of us. That's all of us. What I'm saying to you, what I'm saying to you, you do get to a point where it's futile because the minute you utter anything else, there's omit that sentence. And we give you that grace, my gene. It's your podcast and they're gonna do it to you. No, but this is what, of course they will. But you ask why I haven't said anything over the years because I know that if I said anything, all they take was the bad stuff about you. They wouldn't take the good stuff. But I didn't say why you didn't say anything publicly. I said, why did you say anything to me? Because you're not that kind of person, right? That's not true. I don't feel like I can call you because every time you say, who's this or I, hey, see, but can we chat? I'm kind of concerned about, well, I can see you've been like, oh, yo, but later, you talk to me and hang out.

43:19I don't think it would have any effect. And by the way, what I said was even bad. I simply said, keep that same energy and you reply back with, are you missing attention? What? I just said, keep the same energy. If you, I'm not even saying nothing about attention. I'm, and hold on, my point being is, you are correct. We are smart enough to know that whatever we say will get cut up and they're only gonna take the bad. We're only taking the things that's clickbait, that fake outrage, which is why someone like me would never talk about you in an authentic way. Like we're having this conversation right now because I knew that they wouldn't do any good with it. And so we're asking you to have a heightened level of sensitivity and awareness when discussing black women in certain spaces that we, honestly say black people to some degree, to some degree. We go on a black, all black people. I mean, okay, I know we've made this a gender issue. And I'll just go for it. I'll just go for it. I'll just go for it. Because I guess watching from afar, because I don't know all the ins and outs, because you're privy to those. It just seems like with black athletes in particular,

44:22can you explain why does it get as personal as it does? Not everyone. Because again, I recognize the spot you're in. You talk about black athletes, because of the sports you cover, 90% of the time, you probably say something favorable, because that is what it is. But it's like the 10% where you don't. Why is it Def Com every fucking time? Like looking at you in the process and you in Jalen and you in Traymond and you in Tyree Irvin, like what? Whoa, whoa. Fesitiously. Mm-hmm. Why don't you ask them? I'm responding to what they did. Let's go one by one. Let's think about this. You're in the business, you're in the business. Let's be fair. I'm sitting courtside at a lake again. And LeBron wrote up on you. In the third quarter. But it started way before it ended. It's time out, time out, fair. Time out, time out. No, it's not fair.

45:22It's starting before he wrote up on you. It's time before he wrote it. Right, wait, listen what I'm saying. In January, his son, Brony James, is playing for the Los Angeles lake is the night before he was in a G-League. The next night he's guarding Tyree's Maxi. Me being a basketball guy, I know you can't do that. You put him in the mouth to slaughter. You can't do that. Nor more importantly, in front of the media, because now you're asking us not to do our job. Because we're going to ignore what the hell we see. No, they're salivating at the mouth calling for the ball, ready to own them and stuff like that. He's in a G-League last night. This Tyree's back, see you talking about it. A 28-point play game scorer. So I point that out when he was in high school, do you know I got a crib, you know I got a crib in that lake? I never went to Sierra Cannon and watch his son because I knew it would be unfair to the James family. Because if I walk into an arena to watch a high school kid, everybody's gonna ask me, what do I think about that kid?

46:24And I didn't think that was fear of Brony. He goes to USC, obviously he has the heart ailment, praying for his recovery. He gets drafted. Everybody knows that LeBron James got his fingerprints all over that because he didn't have the resume to be drafted, didn't say it word, supported. I'm like LeBron James, what he means to this lead? What he means, please, what he does to lead? He wants his son drafted, please let the son get drafted. Well, now give the, LeBron James is get 52 million. I'm sitting on the camera. He's underpaid. You see what he's done for this lead? Please, they could play the bout his son getting eight million dollars. When the previous year's 55th over all pick got five, 600,000. I said, so what? Well, what LeBron's under this lead? You there, right? That you don't want to give him the money, give it some good son. I said, all of these things open at night. You there with the Griffiths, Junior and Senior. And they come to see witness to father's template. I'm standing up, sitting based on a ploy that I never, ever, ever wants utter a negative word about that young man. Ever.

47:24And then until he was playing against the sixes and even then, I didn't say anything about him. I said, what you're doing? You as dad, he covered, we got to cover this. You can't put him in that position like the in front of us. This, he's going to get slaughtered. That's not good. And did he call Rich Paul and say, just Steven on the phone? Nope. Did he call Rich Paul? America say, tell Steven they to get out here. Did you feel like you guys had a relationship? No, no, no, no, I'm not saying we didn't. No, wait, what I'm saying is if you had something, it's my obligation. If that man said, I want to see you face to face man to man, I got to have a conversation with you. It's my obligation to get to that man as soon as I possibly can and talk to him and be like, yo, here's what happened. This is what you did and had that conversation. It never happened. I never knew anything until I was sitting courtside too much. But you can tell me if I'm wrong about this. But it felt like the issues between you and LeBron were outside of his son.

48:26And I was, I was, I believe in him. Okay. He's never confirmed that. I personally believe it to be the case. Because I'm saying this. Because of numerous instances that got him back to me. So that's what I meant. Right. Right. Right. That history is correct. But what I'm saying is that I never said anything about his son and told until that night, until that night, that game. And then two months later was when he rolled up on me. And then after that, I go on TV the next day. And I like, I understand that was a dad talking. Let it go until he went on Pat McAfee show just to disrespect me. That's when the gloves came off. And that's the way that it is. Jalen Brown. I'm curious. Why did you think that was disrespectful? Because he went to Pat McAfee show, which comes on after mine just to disrespect me. How was that disrespect you? He was talking about, he had on this tidy white ease and I'm sure he's good. But if he has no relationship with you, but I'm just saying, but he, he went on to all right, to be specific to talk shit about me.

49:27And so when I feel like he just purposely went on another platform. I happen to know that to be the case. OK. So what happened is that because of that, I'm like, cool, this way it's got to be. This way it's going to be. And by the way, I don't hate the man. I'm over it. You know, I'm 58 years old. It got time for all of that. That's how you feel. That's how you feel. You know what? He's too great. He means too much to the game of basketball. He means too much to sports. He means too much to our community for me to be going at. I'm not going to do that. But I'm over it. But that's how I was feeling in the moment. Jaylen Brown, I have never understood why that was a story. Jaylen Brown is somebody that I have raved about constantly throughout his entire career. Two years ago, when they were in root to the finals, I said, yo, this is what people are saying about you. They're saying that he's not like a bull. He's so smart. He's hard headed. And because of that, he's very difficult to work with. I said, this is wrong. You just got a problem with a strong black man.

50:27That's got a good head on his shoulders that nuvishes way through the terrain. This brother is an all world player. Blah blah. It's all on tape. It's all on tape. He comes out and says, state your soul. State your soul. I'm like, what are you talking about? You're not going to tell you what my sources are. But the point is I ultimately sat down with him and met with him for my podcast. And he was talking about he felt that we had a responsibility as media, media, and I said, Jaylin, me giving you a heads up about what they were saying about you to prevent you from getting these endorsement deals, highlighting that they're wrong and all the greatness that you bring to the table. How is that a, how is that an issue? And then we moved past it. And then the next thing you know, they go to the playoffs. You got a three one lead against the Philadelphia 76. You lose that three one lead. Jason Tatum goes down in game six. Can't play game seven. You lose a three one lead and you go home as a boss that's Celtic in the first round. Oh, you tell me when he said this was my season two years earlier.

51:31You won the championship. You want to use the conference finals MVP. You won the finals MVP and you're a champion and oh, by the way, since 2016, nobody's won more games than you. You're the winningest player, 523 wins. We won this play. You're a champion, you're a finals MVP. This year without Jason Tatum, your average and 28.3 a game. I think it was 28.3 20 20. 20.4, right? You're a league MVP candidate. I've got you as a top two league MVP candidate. But I said, you can't go on the air the day after losing. I said it was your favorite season. It's not a good look because Jason Tatum wasn't there. And it's looking like what you were saying is that Jason Tatum is gone. I had the team to myself. So what we lost in the first round and it's the Celtics. So in your mind, the athletes have made it more personal than you have. Absolutely. Absolutely. But when I watch you and maybe it's the way in which you deliver and I don't want to say tone is everything. Yeah, we ain't talking about. Totally. But yeah, you don't totally.

52:31It's aggressive. And it sounds like it sounds like you slide to the max. It's death. Not at all. It feels like that. It feels very repersonal. Okay. It does. It's a real personal. With LeBron and me, take that off the table. It's very personal. Okay. That is personal. So if that was someone else, it's personal. But if that was someone else, you would tell them that's unprofessional. No, no, I'm not talking about it. No, I'm saying if someone else was going at another sports figure, another person in this position, such as yours, is going at somebody that beat the type of beef with Tom Brady. Right. Would you be like, you would think that would. No, but I'm talking. I'm talking about it. But if I had to be for Tom Brady, you say you would go at Tom Brady, the same way. Right. I care. Listen, this is the part. This is the part. This is the part. This is the part. This is the part. I'm going to be a person. He's trying to have your nonsense. No, no, no, no. First of all, first of all, I got no problem. I'm happy I'm here. I'm talking to y'all, y'all saying shit to my face. I'm good with it.

53:32Trust me. I'm good with it. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Trust me. I'm good with it. I'm not offended by anything y'all saying. I swear to God, I'm not saying. Say it. But what I'm saying to you is this. What I'm saying to you, Jamal is. Remember when I got fired in 2009? Oh, yeah. You know how many years I've spent my career putting my ass on the line calling out shit that I've seen in white America. I mean, it's like, it's amazing to me that people would look at me and say, oh, you know what, he got that smoke for the blood people. But you know what? I'm like, I'm like, I'm looking at my ratings. How do I have these ratings? They're not watching me. They must not be watching me. How is this possible? How could you look at me and say, I don't have smoke for white folks? I don't think it's, I don't think, Stephen A that they're saying over the entire year to smoke. I don't think they're saying it's not the entire team of your career.

54:32No one would say that. You're saying in this season when they are lit, when we are literally fighting for our rights as black people. That's the most different. It's going to hit different. We got this man sitting in the office who is literally calling you a low-queue individual, a YQ individual. And y'all said I said nothing. And no, you went on to know you went on having a meal on him. You went chill on him as opposed to how you went on me and told me all the things about my black self. What, what all to respect? Okay. You're not the president of the United States. No, I know. Let me finish. Okay. Seven million people didn't vote for you. Completely. And number three. So there's a condition there. No, not a condition there. Not a condition there. It's not a condition. It's an agenda. What did I do? Why don't you come to bait me? Why don't you come talk about the issues? You knew he wasn't going to do that. You don't know. Okay, we'll go over. I'm working on some things. I'm going to go back to the archives of Straight Shooter with Stephen.

55:42There isn't a week that goes by that I'm not in his ass about something. But when he sat up there and said something about my IQ, I'm like, he said it about Jasmine Krock. And he said about Barack Obama. He said about Michelle Obama. He said about aOC. He said about numerous people black and white. That's what his MO is. I'm like, I'm in good company. So what's up? Since I don't know anything, you want to sit across from me and debate me about what was my specific course. I didn't say some presidential debate. I said, let's have a conversation. You sit across from me about some of the decisions that you've made about the black community. I'd love to sit across from about that. But you don't see how people can see that as you capitulating and are not going as as hard as 2M as you would with other black people. But Kerry, I'm asking, do you see that? I can't see that, but there's certain times that you should be concerned about that from your community. And there are certain other times where, wait a minute,

56:44you're the one sitting in the seat and you're the one who knows because you're in it. So you're like, yo, okay, this time last month, they might have had that point. This time right now, they might be missing it because I'm asked to something with this man right now. Let me make sure you're, you want to, I'm not going to sit up there and get into a tiffin. You talk about the, I'm talking about the nicks. That's why he responded that way. Let's remember that. I'm talking to Staya S. Holman, the White House or Westminster or Mar-Rillago. Don't jinx the nicks. And because of that, you went to IQ spot. All right, well, guess what? Since you think that I'm that way, why don't you come and debate me? What happened with that? That Sunday, I'm on this week with George Stephanopoulos and the state of the union had I went straight nuclear on his ass. That wouldn't have happened. So my point is is that I'm sitting there like, yo, this is what I'm after. Once it across from me, I'm just saying in terms of an agenda filled objective. There are times that you play a different position

57:45to get a different result. I understand that. I get it. It's just, you, we still are saying, you can't look at that and see how the community says. That's why the community is thinking, what, that's why they're wondering what to make of you. Well, they're wondering what to make for me. And this is where we really need to go. And we really need to stop playing games with this. Our community, it's not just about being anti-Trump because I get that, I'm with that. I didn't vote for them. But my point is, you also said you were embarrassed that you voted for Tom Lillianne. Because of, because of the lies that they admitted once the election was over, I don't like that. I didn't mean it literally like, oh my God, I would vote for him. I'm saying they don't tick me off. How did you think I'm over going to tick me? I'm saying, well, again, I didn't worry about that. And I stand by that. I didn't worry about that. I never would say that I would vote for him because I would never vote for him. What I'm saying is that I didn't appreciate being manipulated the way that I was.

58:46Now, there are people who remain nameless. But I had people in my ear and in my face, leading up to the transferring, from Biden to Kamala Harris, Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden. You mean, the line about his health? Is that what you're talking about? That's part of it. That's part of it. But just basically talking to me about him and saying he's gonna do it, he's gonna do it, he's gonna do it. I was on the air a year before his debate on June 27, 2024. And I said, we need a new president. He ain't gonna make it. We gotta have somebody else. And what I was basically calling for him to do was to resign and hand the presidency to Kamala Harris and let her run the country in the name of his term for the remainder of his term. And then obviously she could be in a primary against other Democrats. So if that's so choosing, then she could run for the presidency again. But I was basically calling for him to step away. And for her to be in that seat.

59:49What happened was is that I got calls from people who remain nameless, even though I think the other day I revealed that one of them was Barack Obama. And essentially I had a conversation which I'm not gonna reveal because I'm not gonna violate his trust. But I had a conversation. And when I had that conversation, it was because of what I was saying about President Joe Biden. And I said, he ain't gonna make it, he ain't gonna make it to the Democratic. And by the way, that was not an unpopular thing. I agree. I said, he's not gonna make it. And my point was there were people particularly in the black community that even found that commentary favorable to Trump and the GOP. And I said, no, I'm talking about women. That ain't gonna win. He got to get up out of here. He can't do it. He can't run for reelection. He promised that he was gonna be a one term president when he ran in 2020. And now he's sitting up there changing course. He ain't ready for that. He can't survive. We cannot let this happen. That's what I was saying.

1:00:50So what happened is I'm going to air going off and then all of a sudden the liberals are in an uproar. Yeah. And I'm going like this. Well, first of all, I ain't voting for him, but I'm also not a liberal. I'm independent. I'm fiscally conservative. I'm liberal with everything else. Okay. So you're 40, 50% tax rate. I don't even give me a start. I love it, I like it. It's bad. It's freaking bad. You know, I walk home with less than 30, 36% of my money. I'm terrible. Look at him. What's going on? I'm telling them to that. It's bad. When they watch you, you don't know. You don't got to write about that. When they watch you, they watch you. That's what I'm saying. So you got a federal, you got federal, then you got state and then you got fight. And so you got everything. Okay. Okay. So you know what I'm pointing all of that out. And I'm saying, yo, this is what happens. So these people in my ear and in my face, when they see me and they're talking to me about how I got to ride, I got to ride with body and I'm like this. Hell no. But I'll shut up.

1:01:51But if this man lose momentum, which I know he will, then I'm going to speak up because I'm not going to sit highly by and watch y'all blow this election. And they was like, we're all for him. Then when he steps away and Kamala Harris is in the mix, she's put in there. They weak at me like it was the plan all along. And I'm going like this. So you always knew you wanted her there. First of all, I had a problem with it because you're coming at me like I was wrong for saying what I was saying, when that's what you were planning all along. Secondly, the plan was to give her a hundred and seven days. No, they wanted, they knew that if the late, if the earlier he left your mouth, they would have to have a primary because the other Democrats, you mean to get past that point? Okay. So what happens is that the late it was, you couldn't afford to have that. And she would be handed the Democratic nomination. My problem was they came in my face acting like I was blowing

1:02:51smoke and I was, I was lost when in fact, they were plotting it all along. I didn't appreciate that shit. And the reason I didn't appreciate it because I'm saying like, yo, if she wins a primary and she gathers that level of support, most importantly, if she has an opportunity to run the country because I didn't want him to step away as the nominee, I wanted him to resign as the president of the United States and hand the vice, then hand the president seat to heart, let her run the country for the rest of the term. And then after that, she could compete for the real action. What is that? Okay, we didn't want to turn this into a like, I don't know if you're saying that. I'm only saying all of that to say we got that's right. So they missed the straw and and here's the deal. Everybody listen, the black vote has given ourselves a primary lead to the Democratic party since 1964. And you know why? Right. But I have, I have an inherent belief in this regard. I believe no matter what, don't be transparent,

1:03:54make folks work for your void. Even though I've only voted for one Republican in my lifetime, my attitude is show me what you're offering. Everybody go to my house and I'm trying to. There's nothing wrong with that. That's right. But what the question was, why did you feel the need to tell everyone that you were elected? You said, I'm embarrassed because because because because because when she went on the view and she sat up and said, she couldn't think of anything that she would do. So something such a sunny house and threw up intentionally as a softball for her to knock out the part. I'm like, when she passed up on that opportunity, this is not a dumb woman. This is a former state attorney general. This is a former center. This is a former vice president of the United States. She is not dumb. There's only one reason she said that because her loyalty to Joe Biden, you served everything else. And I'm like, you're trying to win a damn presidency. This is embarrassing. You want the presidency or don't you?

1:04:55But didn't you? But you gave us a whole, a whole diagram about strategy. Right? OK, so it's also possible to suppose that there were some very specific legislative victories that they could have leaned into that Joe Biden did. He actually accomplished a lot as a president. And so maybe there was some thought process. And again, not to I don't really want to be really. I'm not trying to either. I'm just saying that was my vantage point. That's how I was getting at it. And that's all I was coming. That call was really pivotal for me. Hey, it's Emily Tish Sussman. And this season on She Pivots, the podcast where women share bold career moves and personal turning points that changed everything. I sit down with culture shifting women who share their pivots like Para Olympian Alley Truett. I was like, I'm on out from a shark attack. There's no way in 11 months I'm making the very long. Advocate Elizabeth Smart. I still feel that drive that I can still make a difference.

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1:10:01Whether you're a first-time player or a grizzled vet chasing another championship, we give you the advantage and the confidence you need to make every move count. Weekly analysis, hot takes, and unique insider knowledge all in one place. Does fantasy dominance sound appealing to you? Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts? The question is, like, and I just wanted to know, I understand that you are working in a different space and you're trafficking with high-level people that we may not know about. There are so many times when things happen and we just on the other end don't know why people are being motivated to say and do what they say. But I understand when Sunny gave her that easy layup, but still, why was it necessary to say that you were a dreaded voting for Kamala Harris when you knew that would take all of the hard work in which she tried to put together away from what she did?

1:11:01Well, how I would respond with that, Carrey, is this. I get where you're coming from. I really do. I think that it should have been far more upsetting if it was something that I said before the election. I did not. I supported her, leading up to the election. I voted for her. I was on the airwaves talking about what it's going to take to win, win, win. And when it was over, I was honest about how I felt in the moment that that transpired, that that happened and I was watching her even though I never said it when it happened, because it happened most before the election. Now you realize how they can look because now we've seen what this Trump 2.0 looks like. So when you say that, I guess I was young. We don't get your body. No, we live in it. We'll see. What is it? But my point is this. I know. I see what Trump is trying to do. It's disgusting.

1:12:02It's bad. And I get that part. What makes it hard is that so many of us knew Trump before he ran for the presidency. We were all cool with him. We went to a sporting event. He always was cool with all of us in a whole bit. And to see the stuff that he does now, to see the way that he acts right now, scaling back, trying to detach us from Black history. Sitting up there and talking about DEI and it's us. 350 to 380,000 Black women unemployed. Hell, I don't appreciate that. I also remember, even with him contributing to HBCUs, like about 255, 255 million per year, although I'm an HBCU ambassador and I deeply appreciate that. It ain't what Obama did even though he guaranteed the money. And then he made it seem like he was saving HBCUs and everybody to go out of business. And it was like that's not what that's not what we're doing. This man will lie about the color of this time. I mean, if that's where we go, we can never have a conversation about him because that's who he is.

1:13:03He's going to take ultimate credit for every damn thing under the same. I mean, the man's trying to get places renamed and it's on the Kennedy Center Penn Station. I mean, the Union Station of Let's go to, we see what that is, but what I'm saying is is that it is my opinion that both sides of the ILR are incredibly problematic for us. When I think about immigration, for example, and I think about the whole immigration issue, here's what bothers me about it. Why couldn't you do what Obama did? Obama never talked about it. He was just a commandant chief. You weren't crossing our borders illegally. And you weren't having ice out here behaving the way they're able. There you go. There you go. You're not getting away with that. He deported 3.1 million migrants. He was the deported. And nobody said anything. And by the way, that's a testament to him because of the manner in which he handled it. Trump campaigned on it so he wants to be demonstrative in his pursuit of addressing our immigration process.

1:14:07My problem is, for what really caused it, it was bought and opened in the borders. I have a problem with that. Sure. So I bring that up only to say this. How does that affect the black community? I personally believe that as much as I have heard, some of the things that I see the GOP and the right is doing, I think the more migrants that are allowed into this country, the objective is to dilute the potency of the black vote and what it means to the Democratic party. That's my belief. That's the theory of the rotating villain. But even I, let me ask you a question. Do you view violent politicians as if anything else in a villain? Because I don't. No, I'm saying the theory of the rotating villain is that when you put a complete focus on a group of people and make them the villain as opposed to the system. So it is not about the migrants that come in here. Because let's be honest, a lot of them that come here are hardworking people and all of that.

1:15:08And I would leave most of them alone. I would only deport the criminals if I was in charge. And I think everybody. I think everybody. Everybody. Everybody agrees with that. But see when you start pitting people against each other, which is what the GOP is doing, is that they're getting us to overly focus on this group of people as if there is a distraction. Everything is their fault. They're making them the rotating villain. Exactly. We don't have enough housing because the migrants, we don't have enough this because of them. The black voting power is the blue that because the Supreme Court, that's who is the villain in the story. It's not my fault. It's not the end of the story. It's a part of the story. But it's a huge part of the story. Because there was legal issues that were going on in terms of democratic treatment of the black community that happened long before Supreme Court rulings. So what I'm saying to you is this, what I think about the support we have given them. I'm saying. You talk about the Democratic party. Because we're not giving, but so many of us are not giving a vote to the Republican party.

1:16:09Sure. So my point is, so you said it worked for it. So I said it. Wait, wait, wait. Am I connecting the dots? And you're saying the reason why you said, would you say about Kamala Harris? And you didn't feel like it mattered as much because it was after the campaign. And you're tired of the black folks or the maybe black politicians expecting to get the black party. I don't even say black politicians. I think the party takes us for granted. OK. I guess where most black people would probably agree to do. And Steven A. Back to our point, those statements that you make feel as if you are targeting and you say black people find, so be it. But black women more specifically, it feels extremely targeted. Because it wasn't necessary. You could have said all of that without saying I regret voting for Kamala Harris. OK. But my point to you is this, Kerry, fine. Can you concede that it's a disagreement as opposed to a disparagement? I'm sorry. What do you mean? Can you disagree with you? Can you agree with me? No, well, you know what?

1:17:10I would use the word disparage. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I know why you use the word. Let me tell you why I can't fully agree that it's a disagreement versus a disagreement. No, please do because we're hungry too. The reason why I can't fully agree with that, Steven A. It's because there's a history of that. And you say, well, I get 45 minutes of goodness to these women. And I only, it's only two minutes of me critiquing them. It just sucks that two minutes of me critiquing them is becoming the narrative. It becomes the narrative. It's like, well, then, you know what? How about some of the, if you really feel like what you said about Jasmine Crockett was necessary? Why don't you give her a phone call? Like you said, you deserve the phone call. Why don't you pull her aside and say that? Why you tried to book her and she didn't respond? You said you hire bookers. She didn't respond. But they reached out, but they also reached out for the number. And to tell her that I wanted to talk to her, she never responded. Like I came to the view, I went looking for her. I know. And then she said, you never said, you had a conversation with a mother and mother said, thank you for saying my daughter is so smart.

1:18:10My point being is that the same way that you ask for a phone call as a courtesy, perhaps in some of these cases, when you're talking about these black women more specifically because that has been the issue, maybe try to give them a phone call. Kerry, we respectfully disagree. OK. I don't know them on that level. I know you and you on a different level than I know them. So whether we agree or disagree, that's a discussion that we could have amongst one another. I don't owe Jasmine Krockin to continue to pursue her to have a conversation when I've already reached out numerous times. OK. So then you can expect, Stephen, you can't express my to give you a call. And if they try to give you a call, I'm talking about people that I know and know me. That's what I'm saying. It's like it in ABJ. You felt like they should have given you a hands up before thumbs down. They didn't know you. No, no, no. My issue with the NABJ was accusing me of disparaging black women instead of disagreeing with them. Yeah, but you also mentioned that you felt like that the members that there were members on the board

1:19:11like the role of the mountain others. And I'm like, what is that? I mean, I'm sitting there. I was just there last year and the year before I brought the show there. And now you feel this way and you don't tell me anything. And I find out about that. I find that to be a bit off, particularly we want a couple of board members, are people that I actually knew. If they certainly contacted me after, I can say that much. So I'm looking at it from that standpoint, but for the purposes of this discussion, I want to be clear. When I'm talking about feeling like I'm over the phone call, I'm talking about people that I know, people that are in the industry. If I don't know you, I don't expect no call from you. And I did reach out to Jasmine Crockett, but I'm like, damn, how many times do I need to reach out to you? I've invited you on the show. Not only that, I've invited them around table discussion show. Matter of fact, I'm sitting here with you all right now. Y'all could get Jasmine Crockett and Kamala, and whomever, where y'all want to me. We want to come on my show. I fly in. I treat you very well, Kevin. I fly in. You're sitting, I take care of you. I can sit one man with all the ladies. I have no problem.

1:20:12Like a version of black woman version of surrounded. But I'm just saying for me, I just mean it that way. Sincerely. No, no, no, no, no, for me, I don't really care that you didn't contact her. Like that to me is like, she's a politician. But I did call her. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. You said that. That call was really pivotal for me. Hey, it's Emily Tish Sussman. And this season on She Pivots, the podcast where women share bold career moves and personal turning points that changed everything. I sit down with culture shifting women who share their pivots like Para Olympian Alley Truett. I was like, I'm on out from a shark attack. There's no way in 11 months I'm making the very little advocates advocate Elizabeth Smart. I still feel that drive that I can still make a difference. So I'm going to keep going. Celebrity chef Carla Hall was that scary to walk away from such a stable career after just two years? No, I was more afraid of being unhappy than I was broke and in a dead and job that I didn't enjoy. And feminist legend, Gloria Steinem. All of us were trying to express women's real lives.

1:21:16We need a meeting place of our own. And if I can contribute to that, I'd like to maintain that and leave this house for that purpose. Listen to sheep hivots on the iHeart Radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. College football will hijack your weekend, ruin your sleep and break your heart. And that's why we make the Sullivan Rebel College football show. I'm Ty Hildenbrand. He's Dan Rubenstein. How's it going? Every week we preview the games that matter, sort through the biggest storylines and tell you what to watch before kickoff. There's a lot to keep track of. Who's for real? Which upset is hiding in plain sight? And which storyline is about to take over your group chat? And when the games are over, join us in the aftermath, too. We're going to react to what happened, talk about the biggest results. Of course, we'll cover the playoff picture. And all the little details you might have missed while flipping between like 12 games at once. Whether you know every coach and coordinator or just want to understand why everybody is yelling,

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1:25:21or wherever you get your podcasts. What I cared about was the fact that when you choose, when you went after her verbiage, and you essentially said that, OK, where is this getting her by doing this? The thing is, it felt like the extra step wasn't taken to actually see what she did do for her district. She has bought millions of dollars through this. She has. And so you accused her of what you're doing is hustling back. That's what you would kind of accuse her of. Going after the president, the people in your district need to know, you ain't going to wear Texas by going after him. And that gets back to what I said was going to probably be our fundamental disagreement. And I promise I don't mean this in a negative way. I'm not taking anything from this conversation. No, I don't need it in a minute, negative way. But there's a level of capitulation that you feel

1:26:24like is acceptable to win that, frankly, other people don't. But he would consider it capitulation. But you would consider it. You would consider it strategy. Let me use your word strategy. Because I'm coming later. Yeah. In other words, that battle, what I mean by that is that that battle is not worth what I'm going to get at you about later. OK. So if that battle of something that I realize that like, so in other words, let me give you a example. Let's talk about Jasmine Crackles. One of the things that I made point to point out, she's she has a low degree. Yeah, you pointed out how intelligent she was. But she's licensed the practice in Texas, Arkansas, and federally. What's one of the things we can plan about most to make up of the Supreme Court? She becomes a senator. She's right in the middle of that. 766,000 constituents are not 31 million. And what I was saying was, this is Texas. And I told the story. And if you all watched some of my videos, you would know I said this.

1:27:25I'm in Austin, Texas at the Southwest West Convention about a year and a half or so ago, two years ago. I'm near. This has never happened to me in my life. I'm a Martin fanatic. I watch Martin Lawrence. I'm a Martin fanatic sitcom. I just love it. It's hilarious, right? Bucketless happened. Michael from here. Red Carp, he came up behind me. I couldn't believe it. He came up behind me. Give me a hug. I couldn't believe it. Martin Lawrence, I always want to meet him. I never met him. I'm sitting, I'm watching Martin Lawrence and in the middle of the episode, I shit you not. In the middle of the episode, the screen just goes black. Like it's going to commercial. In the middle of the show. And the American flag comes on the screen and it starts playing the national anthem. It's Texas. I've never seen that in my life. It's Texas and I'm going like this. This is Texas. It's different. I remember Jerry Jones with the Cowboys and he's talking to the team and all of this other stuff. And he said, this ain't a football meeting. This is a business meeting.

1:28:26This is Texas. They different down here. And because of that, if you're going to be down here and working down here, you need to support and the people down here. It's different. So what I'm saying to Jasmine Crocodess, this ain't New York, California. That's no big deal. In Texas, that shit matters. That go count that against you. Tolerico had no business eventually beating Jasmine Crocodess. No, he did. You know why? You realize the disparity in their, their, their, they're right. I agree. It was a huge district thing that really compromised all of that stuff. And she waited it, but she's still only lost by a few hundred votes. It was eight. So, so I'm just saying to you, it was still winnable. And, and you could have, and you could have. There were things to critique her about. Yes. And you could have do. And if you feel the way you feel about her, you could have helped get her over to, maybe you could have helped get her over to her. Whether she replied or not, if you feel the way you feel about her,

1:29:27the conversation could have been in reverse. I don't know. Well, she just, this is before she announced her run for the Senate. After I said what I said, she can do that again. And she ran for the Senate seat, but people were still holding it against her. And you could have said, guess what? What, what I'm just saying is, with all of the power comes a huge responsibility. You don't have to change who you are. I know there is a strategy. I think for me, what I would love for you, and you don't have to listen to anything I have to say, but I would love to see you consider how we address black women, and what we say about them, and consider the other side and play devil's advocate. And I know for a fact, you love black women. I know that you help us. It helped them help the women you work with. You've said good things about me, and Jamel, no one's taking that away. But also, and also, I think we talk about your career. And I think this is just a small chapter.

1:30:28And it could be, it could change. The book can be written differently. We could see it differently. This could course correct tomorrow. I just don't want to sit up here and have to fight you, or listen to you fight black women about what you think you are right about. You probably know way more than we do how things go down behind the scenes. But Steven, you always have an opportunity to help us. You always have an opportunity to speak life into us. Just as much as you have an opportunity to critique us. You know what, that's very fair. No problem. Allow me to retort. Okay, Sam Jackson. I'm not meant to retort. Totally fair. Totally fair. I'm serious, totally fair. But if I'm all of those things, and if I do all of those things, and that's my history in terms of my love and my affection for the sisters in my community, why must we overreact or pounce on me when I don't?

1:31:29Because look what we're living right now. Tell me, tell me. So now we're getting into a grand issue. Because it is my belief. And this is what I will openly confess I love about you. Because you're the one person that brings up the politics and what you don't like. And I'm at least able to look at your melancholy. That's what it's about. A lot of times I'm listening to other folks and I'm like, what the fuck are they talking about? What did I do? Well, actually, Steven A is not just the politics because I expect political disagreements. But I'm saying to you, you break that down. In other words, the points that you make, Jamel, emanate from the angst or the disgust that people may feel about some of the positions that I take. And I respect that. Because I'm like, that's what it's about. That makes sense to me. OK.

1:32:30But it doesn't make the other stuff. I'm saying wait a minute. I'm saying wait a minute. Come on now. I'm saying that. I'm not talking about feeling that way. I'm talking about the angst, how upset and pissed off people seem to, and I'm like, what did I do? But I think Gary is from saying the context of the moment. It's like because of the moment that we're in. And because it feels like black women, especially after this last election. Are fighting for our lives? They feel like every time we're fighting for our lives. And we're like the last thing we're going to do. Every aspect of our lives. We feel like we are fighting for our lives. And so when you give us the approach, and this is the way to go about it, and I was like also, but insert that you have a fundamental advantage as a man that sometimes a black woman doesn't have. Well, for example, I go on to here. I am a person that I'm not an advocate of abortion. But I'm pro-choice. Right. Because it's about your body. And who the hell is a man, a tell a woman what to do?

1:33:32I'm using that as an example to say, on countless occasions, I will bring stuff like that up to point out how it doesn't matter what I think. What matters to me is what my sisters in the community think, this is where they stand. I'm riding with them. Even though me personally, I'm not down to do that. I ain't knocking down. Because it is a personal decision. And I don't believe men should be telling a woman what to do with their bodies. I was raised by a woman. Who the hell are we to tell y'all what to do with your bodies? So I'm big on that. What I'm saying to you is I'm using that as an example to highlight the fact that when we bring up a lot of these issues, I'm looking at it and I'm saying, but I did say that. I'm disappointed. So now we're getting into my tone, my delivery, my presentation. But in the same breath we're saying, Stephen A, you're important. Stephen A, you matter. Stephen A, you're here. Well, how the hell did I get there? This is how I mean, and then we're talking.

1:34:32You're wired this way. And I'm like, I'm wired this way. It's like, I'm looking at you and I'm saying the care. When I look at Kerry talk to him, I'll be on the internet. You have it. And I'm looking at the screen and I'm looking at him. And I'm not looking at an fairness to you. I'm not looking at you because you're saying something so egregious. I'm looking at you because I'm what? No, because you're not. I'm not looking at you because you're saying something so egregious. I'm looking at you because it's you and I'm saying, you haven't seen me talk. Do you see me doing something different? You're missing what I'm saying now. You have always been this way. But what you're telling you right now, in this moment in history, you can, I can't be me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want to take your fastball from you, Stephen A. Do exactly what you want. But we just say it's the first two difference. We're asking you to keep saying it. We're asking you to have some nuance and we're asking for some benefit of the damn doubt. Stay who you are. What is it?

1:35:33What I'm saying is I don't understand. No one's asking me. But I don't understand the benefit of the doubt part. Where for the most part, I agree with black women. So there's nothing to doubt. What can I just because I know we've got to wrap up. No, no, I just got one. Go ahead, black woman. I wanted to bring to your attention. Bring to our attention. Yes, because you mentioned about, you know, yes, the we have political disagreements. Stephen A, I don't take those personally, because we're supposed to politically disagree. I think it makes for a healthier environment. What I do take issue with sometimes is honestly, and this gets back to that whole community trust thing, is it is sometimes about the company that you keep. And I know that you try to have a platform where you're considering equal perspectives. But I ain't gonna lie. It's just some people that when I see them on your platform, on straight shooter or in conversation with it, I'm like, I don't get it. So when you after NABJ gives you this thumbs out of ward, and I realize you and Sean had it, you have been friends for many years.

1:36:34Fox 25. Yes, 25. Fox news is the most anti black news station. I think I've ever seen in my life. You know what they constantly do all the time. Fear mongering. They make us, we they target practice all day. And I'm like, why? Why is that the choice? And not just them. It's like, yo, man, I saw you do, I watch your conversation with Ben Shapiro, man. And I'm gonna just say it. Fuck Ben Shapiro. And the reason I say that, because when he said that about trademark Martin, and his consistent comments about him, did to me. And so maybe that's where we're just different. Meck and Kelly, everybody already knows. I feel about her. You know, I feel about Megan Kelly. Okay. Right, these are people. It's a difference. It's a difference between difference of opinion. You like grapes. I like cucumbers. You don't like like that's a difference of opinion. You like, where we like rosette? Yes, exactly. That's a difference of opinion. But like, yo, when I see you sometimes constantly

1:37:36in the company of people who dismiss our humanity, it bothers my spirit. Okay. And that and I'm just wondering why? Just why? Well, first of all, I'm not hanging out and socializing with people. I'm talking about what my belief system is. And they're asking me about it. That's number one. The people that I hang out with. And I'm not averse to hanging out with white folks, Hispanic folks or anything like that. But I'm usually with the brothers and sisters. That's what I am. Okay. You are taught also understand something very, very important. I'm not you. And here's what I mean by that. I grew up as an independent. My father was a Republican kind of dude. My mother was a liberal kind of dude at the voting booth. My father acted liberal outside of the voting booth. And my mother acted conservative outside the voting booth. But that kind of friction always existed in my household. But it wasn't a challenge to humanity.

1:38:36I'm guessing. I understand that. But what I'm saying is that there's two sides of the aisle. One of the things that I've joked about with Sean Hannity is that you can gun a Republican could blow somebody's head off and brood daylight. The first words out of his mouth is the liberals did it first and he'd have evidence. And so his whole thing is it's not anti anything. It's anti everything liberal, everything. And it's pro everything conservative because in a binary system, it's either them or it's us. That's his mentality. I was on Chris Cuomo show an hour earlier. Yeah. I've been on CNN. I've been on MSNBC. There's a whole bunch of things that I say against conservatives and Republicans. I argue with Sean all the damn time. But I have his ear because what I'm not in his face or that of Republicans doing on anybody else, he races no good, bad, this is who you are, blah, blah, blah, blah, because you have black people who are conservatives that don't feel that way. They're black like us. But their ideology, their belief system and what their foundation and principle stand on.

1:39:37This is where they stand and they have factual evidence to support them, especially against the Democratic Party. So all of a sudden, you see all of this information coming your way and you're like, damn, you're weighing one information against the other, you're learning something new as it goes along. And then you remember, if you're me, a journalist now a commentator and a punter, I talk to everybody, I interview everybody, get them on the racket, let them say what they got to say. And everybody sees it for what it is. But it's a lot of information. But you know, we don't, why, why after the Navy, Jay, after why, after, and I completely, no, no, but it's important. It's important. We are diametrically opposed by that. And here's why, because we're both raised as journalists. To me, I would challenge you for even saying that. You know, don't get to say that. Not with the people who deny your humanity. It doesn't matter what I'm trying to say. No, it actually does matter. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about a willingness to talk to them. I didn't say agree with them. I didn't say sign off on it. But why?

1:40:37Because they make, they make their points. Because it's not about them. They don't need no help. Because it's not about them. It's about their audience. It's about their audience. Even a, we're not at the, we're not at the point of conversion in this question right now. Let me tell you something. I don't think so. There are 77 million people voted for Trump. I cannot tell you as a person who travels this country, how many white folks and others who are Fox News fans, who are, who are news nation fans, roll up on me. And say, hey, I saw you arguing with Andy. I didn't think about it that way. That's a good point. I remember when Barack Obama, Barack Obama, yeah, he got our vote. You knew he was going to get our vote. There's a lot of white people to show it up and vote. That's okay. Let's stop that, let's stop that. Okay, but hold on. I just want to say this. I don't think anybody's telling you that, look, I think most people in our business watch CNN and Fox News just to understand our humans. No one's saying that. I want to be very clear. I don't know about me going on the talking to them.

1:41:37I especially after NABJ thumbs down. Why go have that conversation with Sean Hannibal? Because, and then he says, and then he says, Joy, read a saying nutty thing. I appreciate that question. Here's my answer, because I believe, and I was told, there were some people from the D, from the Democratic party, who communicated with the NABJ board and convinced them to do that. So you really think that's true? Oh, I can tell you some of the things that I know, I'm not saying that particular thing was true. Okay. There's a reason that I have my suspicions, because I know what has been done to me over the last year. And I know some people who have been behind it. So I know what I'm talking about in that regard. I'm glad having said all of that. I was also warned by very prominent politicians. This is a very dirty game. And I got news for you, contrary to what people believe. When you hear me take a position, it's usually not the Republicans talking to me. It's usually members from the Democratic side,

1:42:39because the Democratic side is divided between the moderate Democrats and the president. And you say that? So I'm saying that, you know, it's a lot of people on the left. They're not the ones who always come on camera, but they are the ones who talk to me constantly, because they know that I side with them. And so the point that I'm making to you is that kind of game has elevated. I'm not, I'm not devoting any secret here, but it is important that people know that. And so I'm not making stuff up. I'm coming with it. And I'm just telling you that for me personally, sitting in IC, you have to be able to talk to anybody, because you never know who you can sway. It's not the people that you're talking to. It's the audience they have. And Jamel and Sherry, you two should know that, because you're in this business. And you've interviewed people. And don't tell me everybody you've interviewed, you've liked, and everybody you've interviewed. No, but liking is different. And respect and respect. And all of that stuff. Like you're taking into account their audience,

1:43:39you're taking into account their audience and who you have the potential to reach. I know. I ain't fucking with the lady talking about black face and Santa is black. That's just me. I'm also right. And I'm the kind of person go ahead and make yourself look like a fool and disseminate that. But she been looking like a fool. She don't need you to do that. Oh, you're never now. You're giving her. You're giving her. You're legitimizing her. You're giving her. You're giving her 100% more. You are making her, you're co-signing for people who don't even do what her. I don't think you're co-signing, but you're definitely legitimizing her. Well, again, they all listen. Let's take Fox News into consideration. Their number one by a mile, and it been number one. I know. What a word. There are ready legitimate. Correct. Whether you like it or not, there are ready legitimate. And they don't need Joe Hill. What I'm saying is, but what I'm not doing it to help anybody. But I'm community. I'm looking. I'm doing it because because I'm sitting there

1:44:40and I'm talking about the issues. And I'm also putting a Democratic party on high alert. Stop taking us for granted. Let's do what we need to do to make sure we look at our community. OK, so what's the other side of that? What's the other side of that? When they see you pop on there, and you, is there another side to that debate? I don't turn down CNN when they call. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying I want to call our coats all the time. She actually self-tribute my serious access. Yeah, she told me all the time. She loves me. I'm just saying. Steven A, we're not saying that. We're just saying, take a look at the environment that we're living in right now. OK, take a look at the climate. And you have an answer for everything. Nobody, we're not going to out debate you, because this is what you do. But I'm not giving you, in my opinion, I'm not really giving you an answer. I'm reminding you of who I believe myself to be. And by the way, I am reminding you, there are people in the community who are like, yo, what happened? This not our man. We're in the same. That's why there's going to be some skepticism. That's why we, that's why you're in the eye.

1:45:42This is what happens. So we're not telling you to change who you are. I'm saying, are you mindful? Are you aware? Because people are like, yo, where's my dude? Is that my dude? And I really want to. When we sat across on first take, and we would do these conversations, and we would talk about race in a way in which no other show could ever talk about race. Get white on this side, see Renee Black on this side. And we talk about it, and we'd reach a middle. And some days, I would look at y'all, and I'd be like, I don't give a fuck. How much hell y'all giving me? I respect how you have in this conversation, because you were recognizing humanity. And some days, I don't see that you do that. That's how it didn't happen. What do you mean? Meaning that because we knew the climate that we live in, and the industry that existed, we knew what we had to be in order to make that show sing. In other words, if it was another black dude, or another white dude on the show with one of us, that can't happen. But we knew that by having the polar opposites

1:46:44from a visual perspective, it gave us the opportunity. You want me to tell you what you should be thankful for when it comes to skip Bayless. Let me tell you this, do you understand that skip Bayless's willingness to be who he is? We've never not. I'm gonna say you it. I'm just saying. I'm not accusing you of any kind of... No, but what I just would just the point is, is that I've watched you do this, Stephen A. I sat across from you while you talked to the hearts of black people and understood the problem, and talked about the problem, and gave perspective to millions, as hundreds of thousands. And these young men and young women look up to you, and they want to be you. And nothing has changed other than me in the political, the political strategy. And when you dive into that world, what changes is that it feels like you have forgotten our humanity in this season. Whatever this season is for you, it feels like you're not here for us. That's what you're hearing. I'm not saying that that's true,

1:47:44but that's what you're hearing. But the point is, here's where I am in the danger zone, and I will openly confess it, because I know that's not true. I know why are you in the danger zone? I know, no, no, no, because again, because I've entered the world of politics, political, comment, and the point is, that's fine. But what I'm saying is, is that I know that's not true in terms of me forgetting us, because I'm all about us. Okay. The issue, however, is I know that I'm going to be me. And if somebody is telling me that I have the sacrifice, and I'm not saying that you're saying it, either one of you, but if you're telling me, or I feel that I have to sacrifice my true, authentic self, to make sure that a message is sent to a community that I have spent my life supporting, because it's my community. I don't deserve no metaphor, I don't deserve no damn trophy for it. I'm a black man.

1:48:44I'm going to always be black first. I was black from the moment I came out of the womb. That's me. If you're telling me that I have to compromise, who the hell I am, just to appease folks, I can't do that. That's not the conversation. And then here's the, here's the, that's not the conversation. We actually reached the middle ground, Steve and I, is that, one, I don't want you to do that. I think what both of us are asking for is a little reflection, and maybe a little more awareness around certain things. I would never, so I said, I would never want to take away your fastball. It's what made you who you are, right? It's who you are. It's who you are. My fastball is who I am. And there's certain things that like, that shouldn't go right with me. Like I just can't do it. I commend you because you're able to do it. I'm not able to do that, because I can't turn off certain things. I will say this, just so you understand that like, the one word I'd never use with you, and even though people tried to bait me into it,

1:49:44was calling you a sellout, and I would never do that. You know, my favorite column of yours that you ever read, and I said column. Notice I didn't say on TV, is that you wrote this column when you were at the inquire about how black players sabotaged black coaches. And I thought this column was so brilliant and so brave to do that column, because you critiqued our community in a way that frankly, we weren't ready to face. You basically were like, y'all would be awesome in life, but he's white coaches, but when he's black coaches stepping in, y'all fuck around and get him fired. Cause then you start doing things out of character, then you start testing the limits and all that, and I was like, damn. I know where you go. This is a real column to write. So if you're thinking from this conversation that we're telling you, don't critique black people or whatever, but I think you have to be hyper aware of this moment. This moment is like, unlike anything that we have experienced in history, it has not made me lose my fastball, but it's made me throw it more accurately.

1:50:45And I'm just asking you to be a little more pinpoint, because sometimes as I'm looking at how you throw your fastball and it's a heater dog, you got 90, 90 miles an hour in your sleep. I'm just asking you, especially as it relates to what the community is telling you, they're feeling like a trust is broken. And I'm like, yo, and I understand your perspective, cause you did a lot of shit. And I've always highlighted. I was like, yo, he did this, he did this, he didn't have to do this, he did this. Your record in journalism stands untouchable as far as I'm concerned. That's untouchable. But there is something happening now. We're in a war time. But you were quite a war time journalism, but you need some war time. I'll give you the last word, because we'll wrap on this. We're going to wrap on this. But I will say this, what she's insured saying, is what James Baldwin says. And we can enter whatever word for love if you want to, but if I didn't love you, I wouldn't critique you.

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1:56:48and figure out what we'd actually do. You're in training camp, and the rookie quarterback has one good throwing session in front of the media. Suddenly, everybody online says he should start over you week one. How do you handle this? You just go back out to practice the next day and wait for him to mess up. Listen to lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. I can appreciate that. And the reality is that you're not wrong, because you're talking to me about how you feel and your women, and I am not. So the bottom line is you would know when I wanted. I mean, I was born at night, not last night. I got it. But I'm asking you to understand, I'm not refuting anything that you suggested. Hell, I'll even go as far as to say, I hate you loud and clear. I'm gonna keep that in mind with everything

1:57:48that I do moving forward. You have my word. And if you call me out on it, I'm at the aided, because you told me, and I'm good with it. I truly do. I truly feel that way. But there's something to put in the bring up. When you talk about the community and then feeling this way, that shit don't apply to sports. Politics, I'm down for it. Okay. I'm down for it. I got it. You understand what I'm saying? Because obviously, you're not going to be able to do it. You understand what I'm saying? You understand what I'm saying? Because obviously, you know what, if you've got a liberal tilt, or even if you don't, but you feel this administration is, I agree with you by the way about this. I'm trying to trust it as far as I can throw. Hell, no, I got it. I understand it, and I've said so a thousand times. But what I'm saying to you is this, you're willing to acknowledge that plays a significant role in what the Black community is saying. See, Carrie, I can't capitulate to a J. Lynn Brown saying something like that about it. something like that about I'm a piece of shit and you going over to Spain and Monica

1:58:50or because I said you can't say that's your favorite season. It really, really warrants that like like like what I'm saying is I have the ability to differentiate that if Jamel Hill said, Jaylen Brown, you can't say that's your favorite season. And he goes all for you, whether you a man or a woman or whatever, I have the ability to sit up this and yo bro, that ain't got nothing to do with this. Now if you want to get on her about something else, but this right here, she's not wrong. And by the way, even if she was, it don't warrant that. If I'm getting into a debate with about Drey Montgomery, yo bro, we were tight as hell. You know, we had a fall in out because you slap Nurgut, your choke, Rudy Gobear. And I said it was hard, you know, to support you. I picked up the phone and called him. Oh, by the way, Steven, I didn't want to let that pass because you brought up Drey Montgomery. I know you took issue with me saying that you were a journalist because of and I was not discounting your career just so you know, like I know you got it in the mud, just like

1:59:53a lot of us did. I was more or less looking at the many hats that you wear. Well, what I'm saying is, you practice journalism, what I was getting when you about Jamel was. You're a political player. That's not a journalist call a journalist out about their work. They, they can't do that. Oh, just like you go on hand it, you don't let it do call one another journalist, a nut job. Okay. But what I'm saying is, but what I'm saying is, we're gonna do that. But that's the game they play. We ain't playing that. But I'm trying to say when they're talking about one another, they play that game as competitive. So you say I should have checked Drey Montgomery. No, I was a journalist. I wasn't talking about me. I wasn't talking about me as a me person. I'm saying from a journalistic standpoint, he was saying, I'm not in the locker room. Wait a minute. I was tight with you when I wasn't in the locker room then. What do you talk about? I don't need to be in the locker room in order to have sources. No, no, I further explain. But that's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. That that people still tell you things because because you build the relationship.

2:00:54I was saying, I was like, don't let him get away with that because if they get away with that with me, what they gonna do with you? That's you know a lot of people. You get a lot of calls. I know that has a left to you still work for the left. What they look at you. But it made it immediately. It's different. I'm saying, but what if they looked at you? Well, Wilbond told me the same thing. He did. And Wilbond and I had a spirit of debate about the 45 minutes. Because I noticed doing it will buy that 30 minute treatment on straight shooter that you gave me because I'm gonna say, all right. And I'm gonna answer why. Wilbond called me that night, spoke to me about it and asked to come on my show to discuss it. That's why. So what I'm saying is that I'm like, I would have treated you to say, wait, come on, Jamel. If I had you, you've known me for years. Now we don't hang out or you, you both know me for years when I bring y'all on my show and go to nuclear and be district red. Come on. I would never worry about that. I would never do that to you. I'm simply saying the conversation that I have with Wilbond is exactly the conversation

2:01:55I would have with you. And I'm only bringing that up to say when we're talking about those issues. It's like, look, y'all, let's just admit what it is. I wasn't trying to disrespect you as a journalist. That's why I'm saying. I was leaving you and I'm good with it. Yeah. No problem. What I'm saying is, let's stop letting these people connect it to sports. I cover sports the same way about everything. If I'm passionate about story, I got more passionate about it. If I don't give a, I was on the air the other day we were talking about a subject. And I let three people speak. And then it was my turn. I said, I don't give a damn about this story. It means nothing to me. I didn't want to discuss it. It was boring. If I'm passionate about something, I'm passionate about something. If I'm not, I'm not. But I cover sports universally the same way. It don't matter who you are. I can get tapes accountants, white people, alcohol, alcohol, and the air with the same level of energy. Trust me. But we take it differently because of what Mike Tyson said years ago to Jeremy Chat.

2:02:58Remember that when he said, when it's us is different because we should know better. That's what he said about us covering black athletes. And I'm saying I get that part. But if I go to a fight, Kerry, and I watch Terence Crawford beat the brakes off at Errol Spence, you got to say what it is. Come on. And they'll say he dog in the black. Wait a minute. I celebrated the black dude. Okay. Five. Which is why I said I'm saying you're fine. And I said, so I get that. So what about impolite? What I'm saying is, we can go at it all day every day. If you're right, I'll concede you're right. If I think you're wrong, I'll say you're wrong. But I'll never get offended by that. Because what happens is if your politics is different from mine, I get it. What happens is people try to use that to extend it to everything and all of it. And what are they trying to do? You're trying to make it difficult for me to walk in a black community. I can walk in any black community in the country because I always do. But I'm like, this you actually trying to make it difficult.

2:03:59Why would you do that? Because you disagreed. Didn't say so. Don't use some outside excuse to get at me about what's really bothering you. What I respect about this conversation that we're having here tonight is y'all are telling me exactly where you're coming from. And why I'm good with that. My problem is is when I see people out there talking about me, I'm like, that don't have anything to do with it. It's not what they upset about. Why am I going through this? Because Jaylen Brown, who I've celebrated for ages, Adre Ma Green, who I loved the death. What are we talking about? LeBron James, who I have number two all time, all time. There's only one play I put a half of my coffee. It would be Michael Jordan. I know. And oh, by the way, I said to Rich Paul, where do I get that from? I said, you act like you said, so y'all act like it said, and something I got the man number two. He says, isn't it so? I said, that's serious. I like something wrong with y'all. Y'all act like you're brilliant. By the way, but that's okay. That's also okay.

2:04:59But what I'm saying is, then they extended and start talking about things that have nothing to do with that when it has everything to do with that because that's where it emanates from. And that's where I have a problem with it. I know how to compartmentalize. I had a problem with Kerry saying this. I had a problem with Jamel saying that I addressed it. That's what we're saying. And I'm taking it that way. Right. And you got a problem with you saying this. And I'm saying to you, I'm taking it. But if that transfers into all my goodness, he talks about the black athlete this way. He talks about this black person. I'm like, come on y'all. Recovering the sport, recovering this, recovering that. I'm not asking y'all not to do y'all job. Don't ask me not to do mine. I praise them more than 90% of the time. I even kept my statements. Do you know I've had mothers of planes walk up to me, upset at me because I've been too nice. I'm not too nice. I think they said they were like just fine because he's what they say, Jamel. They're saying they need their sons to have a fight.

2:06:01I got it. So you keep them honest today. You let them off. You let them off the hook. They put them up to me and have said this. And I'm going like these guys don't even know mothers, sisters, wives, get Steven stay on them. Because he ain't acting right. And I'm like, and I don't say anything because they asked me not to. But that's what happens. And all of this, I'm like, yo, let's compartmentalize. If you got a problem with me with the politics, say so, then I'll address that. And I think that's what this conversation was about. I think so too. When you ventured into that world, that was what this was about. It exposes you a little more. But nobody pays attention to the fact that if I ran, it would be as a liberal. If I ran, it would be as liberal. I'm a liberal. But I want to be a socialist. No, you wouldn't. You be a centrist. I'm a centrist who lives up because I'm good on social issues. The only issue I have is we're transgender competing against girls.

2:07:05That's it. That's not derailed. That's not derailed. I know that. That's not the real of that. I'm saying that's a literally say that's literally my only issue. Outside of that, I'm liberal. As we wrap, say something nice about us. Really? That's what you want. You know, you open it up. You would say that we can bring everybody up to the community. You would ask me to say that because that's how you roll. Say something nice. I will tell you this. I will tell you this. Talk to me nice. No, I will tell you this. You were an incredible talent on the air. I love having you on first take. I've always missed you. I miss Molly too. I'm a little bit of an old fitness, but I would definitely miss you. I definitely miss you. I definitely miss you. And I like Shane Cornish doing a great job. But you and Molly got a number of y'all. Here's what I would say about you, Carrie. You're a person. You all who you are. You are your true authentic self. And somehow some way, even when you're getting on me, even when you're getting on me, I do

2:08:09not know why I don't stay mad at you. I don't know why, but this is what having all the sisters and daughters come in. But she reminds me, but she reminds me of my sisters, you know, in certain respects. So that was part one with Stephen A Smith, the straight shooter. We appreciate it. Our dear colleague. How was that? You enjoyed it? I enjoyed it, but it was so good that we have. That was just round one. All right. Wait till you see round two. Next episode coming at you. Blackburn and Funny is an I Heart Women's Sports production. Producers are Michael Coscorelli and Buffy Gorella. Our editor is Michael Coscorelli. Our executive producer is Jesse Katz and this show is hosted by us. Jamal Hill and Carrie Champion. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast. Here's what you missed. There should not be a single law enforcement agency. It does not have body cameras. It's real. The former's have been under attack.

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