Hour 2: Do-or-Die for the Jets + Chris Canty

0:00College football is back. So, Hilton called to me the superstition concierge to make your fan rituals a reality. Need a room to match your lucky number? We got you. Want to make sure our team doesn't wash your lucky jersey? Oho, that smells lucky. Heelton's unmatched hospitality can keep up with any superstition. Even a marching bandwreck up call it 555 and 55 seconds. Hit it! When you need a team that will do whatever it takes on game day, it matters where you stay. Hilton, for this day. This is the Chris Carlin podcast. This is live morning Zettan on ESPN, New York, and streaming live on YouTube. This is a must win game for Aaron Glenn. And no question. When I look at it, I said this before, my number one thing is just, we can't be talking about, we got to get things fixed, we can't be talking about penalties, we can't be talking about all that crap this week. The Jets have to find a way to play a clean game. Even if Brees Hall isn't out there,

1:01even if Mitchell is not out there, you cannot shoot yourselves in the foot against this team, especially like the bad weather's coming to. Like there's got to be a premium on all the little things here. Yeah, I mean, listen, they can't be embarrassed like they were in Chicago. The offense has to be markedly better than it was. The Bears had more first downs than the Jets ran plays. It was non competitive on that front. When you've got opposing players saying, I got bored in the game. That was a rough one to get from Devin Bush. Devin Bush, yeah. When you have that going on, that is the last thing you want to hear when you're a program that is trying to change the culture and the perception about who you are. But the reality for Aaron Glenn is this, you've got to win football games. It can't be moral victories. It can't be once out of the ball is playing well. It has to be complimentary all three phases and it has to work in concert to the end of being able

2:03to win a football game. That's what you need right now more than anything. So if you're the Jets and you're going into this, it's going to be, looks like it's going to be bad weather on Sunday again. You don't have a breeze hall presumably. And you're going Braille and Allen here. How are you winning this game against the Browns? Because listen, they should beat the Browns. I don't care that the three and one Browns are not that good. Yeah. So how are you winning this game offensively? Well, listen, I think it has to be with physicality. First and foremost, like that's what it has to be. You have to be the more physical team against the Cleveland Browns. Are you surprised that our offensive line has not played great? Well, guys have been banged up on offensive line. I think yeah, I'm a little surprised with what they've invested in that group that they haven't been better. But I think that overall what beats the X's and those, what beats deficiencies in terms of starters being in and out of line up or guys being banged up

3:03is just malling people. And that's the part of the Jets that I'm a little bit surprised by with AG because I know his ethos. I know what he believes in as a coach. The fact that they have an own the line of scrimmage on the offensive side of the ball is surprising me because coming into the season, I thought if the Jets do anything else, well, they are going to be able to run the football. And that has not been the case with any level of consistency. So with that being truthful is what do you put that on more? Because I think I can believe in people that say that maybe when Hall has been out there, he doesn't have quite the burst that you would expect. There have been a couple of times where he hasn't gotten to the corner like he usually does. Allen for as much as we talk about what a physical specimen he is, it doesn't feel like he's again taking advantage of that being an overpowering guy blowing people out of the way. Yeah. And then it's the line to me. I guess the Jets offensive line coach,

4:05Rich Simeonimid pointed this morning said like, yeah, no, we've played well up. I didn't feel that way. I don't see it. I don't see it either. But here's an opportunity for you to prove it. Going up against the Cleveland Browns, Mason Graham a little bit banged up. He was playing at a defensive player the year level before he got banged up against the Pittsburgh Steelers. So we'll see what ends up happening with that in terms of availability. But I mean, listen, you've got to go out there and assert yourself against this group because Geno Smith has done a good job of not throwing any interceptions, but you've got to find a way to be able to generate explosive plays on your offense and it's all predicated on being able to get the run game going, right? If you can run the ball, if you can own a line of scrimmage, then you can get in favorable downs and distances that allow you to take shots. You can play action pass. All of those things open up. But nothing is going to be easy for the jets offensively unless they can run the football.

5:06How has the Sean Watson actually played better? Or is it just, he's not playing. He's just OK and we're all grading it on a different curve now. Well, I mean, I think what he's done in the fourth quarters of games is undeniable now. Like what he did, the scramble against the Carolina Panthers, that was big time, being able to engineer a couple of drives against the Pittsburgh Steelers, that was big time. The Sean Watson has played well in the fourth quarters of games. If you're going to get that version of him, then the Cleveland Browns are going to be pretty hard to be because they've got first and second year players that are really, really talented on both sides of the ball. So I think you have to give credit to Watson. I think even more credit belongs to Todd Munkin in terms of being able to make the decision to go with Watson over Sanders. When everybody in the world was telling him that he was crazy, but then also allowing these guys to believe

6:06that this season could be different for the Cleveland Browns versus in the years past. So I do think that matters. But the Sean Watson fourth quarter QBR this season, he's top five. So he's playing better in the critical moments. And that's what it comes down to in the NFL. It's all about being able to win in the moment, right? Can your quarterback be good in certain moments, sudden change, game on a line, situational football, third down, red zone, two minute, and a half in the game. Like, can he be good in those spots? And the Sean Watson has been good. There's no getting around that. He's played well. It's just, I mean, you don't want to know what's real and what's not. That's all because it's not often that you see a guy play so badly for five years. Yeah. And then all of a sudden he regained. Well, I, I, I, I, I hate to answer a question with a question, but it's the AFC North. Yeah. I mean, I'm not putting a lot of stock in the Pittsburgh Steelers.

7:08I wouldn't either. Lamar's actions hurt. I think the two worst divisions of football right now, where the AFC North and the NFC East Cincinnati Bengals. Oh, that's my point. So like, like you're saying are the Cleveland Browse real or not? They, they look real enough to be able to lead the division through the first quarter of the season. I, I just, it still feels like I, maybe it's the, like you said before off the, maybe it's the laundry thing. Maybe it's just the name. Brown's going to Brown's all that crap. Yeah. It doesn't feel like a game to chess. No, it's not. It's not a game because I'm not saying he's going to get fired next week. It's a game that gets your fire. Eventually. Well, that's what Adam Schaefter said about Todd Bowles and the bucks losing to the Browns a couple of weeks ago at home. Yeah. And then, I mean, I guess the, the last couple of weeks, we feel differently about the Browns. But again, it's still the Browns. And it's hard to get past that reputation, that perception, certain losses stick with ownership.

8:12Now, based on what I was told this week from Dan Graziano and others, the seed is not as hot in floor on park as the record may indicate. So I think they believe in the building that progress is being made. But there has to be something tangible to, to show that progress. Okay. Here's what I can, here's what I've understood about the building where I say that this is the kind of game that gets your fire. The, the players in the building have not abandoned AG. They all like AG a lot. They want to play hard form all that kind of stuff. But if the players and the coach makes a mistake in a game like this, or if there are a lot of penalties or if there's the same mistakes, something's not registering. And I think players, when you lose a game like, we lost the Browns, like, couldn't that, tell me if I'm wrong. Couldn't that be like, where are we going? Well, I mean, I think tell me what, what that mentality would be in that locker.

9:14Well, at a certain point, you're wondering when are we going to run into a win? Right? Like, but how much of you pointing the finger yourself versus pointing the finger at the coach? Well, as a player, you always feel like there's room for improvement. You don't want to let anybody hold you back and that includes coaches. But Nick Saban says it all the time, good players can't overcome bad coaching. Yeah. Right? I mean, Aaron Glenn at the end of that Packers game, the decision to take the ball and overtime versus the defer when you win the toss. Like, these are hard coaching gaps to overcome. So I think that if it continues to spiral, then all of a sudden, players will have serious questions about whether or not the head coach is putting them in positions to be successful. Chris Canty with us is he is each and every Friday in studio from sportsmen, like, of course, every day on ESPN radio and on ESPN 2 ESPN you with Evan Cohen and Michelle Smallman. All right. Let's, let's talk about some other things in the league.

10:16What, what am I to make of the Packers right now? Seriously, like, what, what is this? Because I, there's, there, it's funny. Through four weeks, there are just certain teams and I look at them and I just have no idea. And that's the way I kind of look at the Packers right? Well, listen, Green Bay is facing a massive game, the Chicago Bears. And you got to think that Ben Johnson is looking at that tape from Thursday, not a couple of weeks ago, where the Falcons ran for damn near 250 yards against them. Right? Like, we'll see what happens. DeAndre Swift, Rocheon Johnson. Well, yeah, Colin Young guy is banged up, but Rocheon Johnson is a big bruising back. We'll see what ends up happening with that. Like, it's the most scheme diverse run game in the National Football League. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's unbelievable. You say that. What do you mean? Well, it doesn't matter what front they're playing, doesn't matter what, what style of guys are on defensive line or in the front seven.

11:16They're going to find effective ways to be able to run the football. And it's going to be a wrinkle here. It's not going to be anything that's away from what they do from fundamental standpoint, but from a creativity standpoint in terms of creating leverages, creating angles for guys to block it up. Nobody does it better than Ben Johnson in the NFL. I mean, nobody. And so, yeah, I mean, the running backs are banged up. But Ben Johnson does a really good job of being able to create space for those guys to, to be able to do what they do. You don't find out if a running back is special until they get beyond a lot of scrimmage. You don't get to see how talented they are until they get to that point. Usually what I will say is Ben Johnson does a great job of getting his running backs based on the play call and based on the defensive look. He does a great job of getting him to the other side of the line of scrimmage. And those guys have taken advantage of the space that he creates. So I think that that's the challenge that the Green Bay Packers have in front of them. And it's going to be up to Jordan Love to find a way to, to, to mitigate that by keeping

12:20his defense off the field. So Lane Johnson announces his retirement. Yeah. And I'm listening to some of my friends down at Philly. Jordan, my lotta happened to be on the air at the time. And he sounded devastating. Like the impact that that could have on that team was pretty apparent right away. And then the next day they turned around and trade Camjurts. What do you make of the Eagles right now? Did the front office just signal to the players? Maybe we're taking a little turn. Well listen, it's interesting. I think the front office is putting on a season. I think that there are some salary cap implications for the Eagles trying to keep this core of players together. And that bill hasn't come due yet. And I think them punting on what's the Eagles core of players right now? Who is the Eagles? Well, I mean, because they, they described what this just was. Yeah. As the, their core four, like the Yankees had, what Lane with Kelsey with, uh, Brennan Graham

13:21and with, um, well, on the offense. I thought it was easy. It's done to, it's, it's, um, it's, uh, Devontek Smith. It's Dallas, got it. Yep. It's Jalen Hertz. It's Sequan Barkley. It's Jordan Maillard. It was, uh, Lenin Dickerson. It was Lane Johnson. And so I think that Jalen Hertz still part of it. Well, yeah, he has to be. He has to be. Well, he has to be. Well, they're not going to move on from him, big fella. After this year, they can't. What do you mean? If they train him, it's an $86 million debt cap. What is this? This is the same team that paid Carson Wins and drafted Jalen Hertz. Let me say it this way. Let me, let me say it this way. Here's why I think this gets interesting for Jalen Hertz. If he can't show that he can elevate the guys on that offense and elevate this team, beyond where they're at right now. At any point this season, then I think it's on the board that the equals could potentially

14:21look at drafting a quarterback. Similarly to what we saw them do in 2019 and 2020. They extended Wins in 2019 and then they drafted Hertz in 2020. I think it could be that type of scenario in terms of them preparing for life without Jalen Hertz. But my point overall is that when you look at how they structured a lot of the contracts with the stalwarts that they've extended and given second contracts to those, you know, those cap hits, those void years, those things don't really start hitting the cap until 2028, 2029. And so I'm wondering, by trading cam jargons, do the eagles look to start absorbing some of those cap hits, some of those implications a little bit sooner as a result of the team not being as competitive as they once thought it would be? Because they've opened up a window based on how they structure the contracts. The year they won the Super Bowl back in was at 2024 to now, they've set this up to have

15:25a window of about three or four years. It's clear that that's not who they are this year. So do they manage their cap a little bit differently to me trading cam jargons and moving from him and absorbing a cap hit because that had cap implications as well. Does that mean that they're preparing for a re-tool of sorts when it comes to the roster? Denver, that didn't take long. Sean Payton's already after four weeks taken back the play calling from Davis Webb. And it's amazing to me. It is, but it isn't like it was amazing when he gave it up to keep Davis Webb in the first place and gave up on it that quickly. Well, let me say this. I don't think Sean gave Davis Webb play call and responsibilities just to keep him on the staff. I think Sean believed that it was in the best interest of the team and he thought Davis Webb could do the job.

16:27I think Sean is looking at it from a macro standpoint. He's got a team that's in his window to contend for a championship. Being hyper focused on offense and not necessarily being locked in on the overarching game management, especially when you're playing against better teams in the postseason can be detrimental. And so I think that Sean looked at it as something that was necessary. And we got to remember Sean is a bill par sales disciple. And so Sean is always trying to figure out what's in the best interest of the whole and trying to get to and win a super bowl. Bill Parcell's delegated his play call and responsibilities on offense and on defense. And we saw him have a lot of success with that. I can see Sean trying to get to a place like that in his career, but I think that the offense was bad enough where he felt the sense of urgency to step in. Is it going to make a big enough difference with Bonix or is Bonix just not the guy because Sean is the one guy

17:29that was very consistent about believing in next all this time? Yeah, I think Sean loves Bonix. I think he loves his mentality, the how he plays the position. He's as fiery as they come. Um, I just don't think he's the only one that right now that can get the best out of him. No, I'm not going to take it there. I think he's the best person to get Bonix to play up his to his potential. That's currently on that Denver Bronco staff. What I will say is this, is it going to be better? Yeah, because it can't be worse. It's the worst first half offense in the NFL. The average three points per game in the first half. It's not going to be like that with Sean. And I can promise you that. And with this week's opponent being the charges, no one who the charges offense accordator is, it might be Daniel. Knowing the last time that they faced offense coaches, when the Miami dolphins hung 70 on the Broncos, I can imagine that it's going to be a pretty good day for the Denver Broncos offense. What else has your attention this week? Man, I mean, listen, there are a lot of spicy games on the NFL slate. Um, I will say this.

18:31I'm curious to see where the Cincinnati Bengals go. They've got the Miami dolphins who seem like they're the ultimate slump buster. But that was a tight game that they played against the Minnesota. I'm just going to say this. Yeah, go ahead. I'm not going to. I've done two of their games. Yeah. They're bad. But they're not as bad as you think they are, especially on defense. Well, that's where I was going. I mean, when you consider some of the guys they got on that defensive side of the ball, Zach Cieler, Jacob Rodriguez, absolutely. All-stog, chopped Robinson. They got guys. They're not going to play like the Cowboys did on the bottom. But my point is this, they got guys on that defensive side of the ball that can make life hard for Joe Burles. Yes. Especially considering those wide receivers being banged up. I wonder where the Bengals go from here. Right. That's the part that's a little bit curious for me because they came into this season with the easiest strength of schedule. There are only two games on the slate that they weren't favored in, Big fellow.

19:33And so I'm curious to know where Cincinnati goes. Joe Burles' solution to the offense being better is throwing the football more. In a league where everybody is trying to run the ball more to give their quarterbacks balance. I'm fascinated by what happens with Cincinnati. I really am. And I know people think I have an extra ground with Joe Burles. But philosophically, I don't think that team is built to have the level of success that they want. A lot of it is because the offense is so one-dimensional. I think they have blown for whatever reason you want to point to, the injuries, whatever. I think they have blown a massive opportunity. This should have been a five-year stretch where they went to the Super Bowl a couple of times. And they haven't been able to do it. That first year, everything was looking up for them their way.

20:33I'm not going to say they're going to sit there and dominate because you still let the chiefs at the top of their powers. But that should have been a three or four-year stretch where those two teams were really at the top. And we're fighting it out. And I think the Bengals have blown an opportunity. So we be surprised? No. I mean, they do that with all the quarterbacks that play at an MVP level there. Yeah. They go to a Super Bowl and you think they should go to more and they don't. There's got to be some common denominators there outside of that. You know, and they kept their weapons. I mean, even defensively, they were... I just, I can't, I consistently go back to week 17 of the 2021 season. When the chiefs came in, they beat him in Cincinnati. Jamar Chase put on a show and then they beat him in the playoffs that year to go to the Super Bowl. And I'm thinking, wow, this is going to be something to behold here for the show. To me, a great rivalry between the homes in Burrow. And it just is never materialized.

21:34It's not. It's not because one guy can consistently win and one doesn't. We just have some news coming in that I want to get just your reaction to. It's unfortunate news. Mike Ditga has passed away. Oh my god. At 86, a Hall of Fame tight end and of course Hall of Fame Bears coach. Galilee guys won a Super Bowl with the Bears. You having many ties to Chicago. Just when you hear about that and obviously you had a long history at ESPN as well. When you think of the name Mike Ditga, what's the first thing that you think of? Monsters of the Midway. Yeah, I mean, that's what I think of. I think of the Black and Blue division. I think about hard-knows football. I think about Richard Den. I think about Singletary. I think about the fridge. I think about Walter Payton. It was not only a championship winning team, but it was an iconic team.

22:36I'm not just talking about the Super Bowl shuffle dance. But when we start talking about the standard when it comes to playing defense, we talk about the Chicago Bears. I have been in trouble over the years when I think about that defense. And then I think about the 2000 Ravens really being able to tell who was better. And I'm still leaning toward those 85 years. I am too. A thousand percent. Coach Rivera, who I know, he was a part of that. They were a special group. You think about Walter Payton and all of the different personalities, Jim McMahon and Mike Ditga being able to manage all of that. You know, buddy Ryan on that staff and there was supposed to be some tension there. But think about that. Ditga managing all of that and not letting that get in the way of the successes that they were able to have. It was a decade of excellence with him at the helm in Chicago. One of the biggest ass kickings I've ever seen was when they went to Dallas and beat the Cowboys 44 to nothing.

23:38And it was just thoroughly from front to back, never let them even move the ball. At all. And I still don't know how they lost the dolphins on Monday night. I still don't know how that happened. But man, that was an unbelievable team. Yeah. And I was 12, 13 years old right around then. So I mean, Ditga and here's the other thing for that town. This now adds a little something to the game this week when you're playing the Packers. Oh yeah. And that, like the SNL did the thing about Ditga and how much that town loved them back in the day and all that. Like that is a really dark moment in that town for Ditga to pass away. Like it's going to be, it's going to be really, really tough in Chicago next few days. Yeah, it is. I do have to ask you about the Yankees here because you're a huge Yankee fan. What do you make of what happened here? Well, I mean, this is nothing to see here. There's no problems, right?

24:38We're going to bring everybody back. Nice, tidy extension for Cashman. It's believed that Booan's going to come back to. Yeah. What do you think should happen? Something has to change, doesn't it? If you see the coach and you're letting it happen for this team to, to be lacking in the fundamentals and that to come back to bite you in the postseason, that's unacceptable to hear former Red Sox players talking about how the Yankees have lost their way in terms of culture. It's embarrassment. That's where we are, Big fella. That's where I understand the game has changed and all of those things. And I mean, Jeeter's saying it for Pete's sake. But everybody is saying it. Yeah. This is what's amazing to me. Why are they not listening? Why is not listening? Because they have conviction that they are, their approach is the right one. They believe in the process even though the results haven't been there. And I can understand that to a degree.

25:40But we're talking about how many years now going on since we've been World Series champs? Yep. 17. I mean, it's the second longest drought in their history behind only their first 20 years of existence. 1903 to 1922. We'll go back to the dead ball there. Yes. Yeah, exactly. I, I, it's frustrating to watch. Now the easy out is that, hey, you didn't have your best player. And arguably your second biggest bat was banged up, even though he made a couple of played appearances. It, it, it doesn't feel like we're close. Even though we were in a World Series a couple of years ago, even in that series, it didn't feel like we were close. I, starting pitching has gotten a lot better over the last several years. And that was a weakness of this team. They fixed that. But when it comes to making sure that we're sounding the field, when it comes to making sure there aren't

26:40these gaps, whether it be on the bases or whether it be, you know, defensively, I just, they haven't cleaned it all up. And, and I don't know if Aaron Boone is going to be the person to get it done. I don't know if he's going to be the person to communicate that and create that level of urgency. A part of why they hired him was because he was going to love up the players that Joe Gerardi was quote unquote too hard on. And how's that worked out for us? He's 27 and three C, three CS appearances in one World Series appearance in a damn near a decade on the job. That's not good enough for Yankees fans. 27 and 30 in the playoffs he is. And seven of the 10 years that they've made the playoffs since Geter's been gone. They've been the wild god. Like, maybe it does mean something. You know, I know that they took care of the Red Sox, but it's still like, it does mean something. I don't know. And they just, I can't get over the fact that they had this pitching.

27:43And they got just thoroughly outplayed by a better team. A better team. And if I'm Hal and he made a comment along these lines a few years ago, how do you live with that knowing what they spend and how much better they do it than you would? That's got to be, you've spent $4 billion since your last championship. And you have nothing to show for it. I just don't know how important winning is to how, by winning a title is to how, is supposed to the money. That's what I, that's where I'm coming away with it. As long as we're getting them in the building, I hope. That's not where the Yankees are at. Always good seeing you. Thanks for coming in. Absolutely. And we will see you next Friday. My man. That is Kati. He, of course, of a sportsman like his appearance was brought to you by Super Bowl 61 coming to the networks of ESPN and ABC this February. There's nothing worse than waking up sick.

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31:51Two, but right now. A little side learning to side. This is going to happen. This is a side line. Two side line. Go go go. Time out here. Hello Tom. Hi, Christopher Carlin. All right, let's get into it. Chris, you mentioned it with Canty a moment ago, but the unfortunate news has come across the story. I'm screwing this up. I apologize. Mike Dick has passed away at the age of 86 today. Of course, revolutionary coach for the Chicago Bears back in the 80s. Your thoughts, Chris? I mean, listen, I'm certainly not old enough to have seen him as a player. He's a hall of fame tight end. A great player in his own right. That city loves him so much. And like, we always tie it here to like the SNL, the the Bears, the Diff get thing and they've all got the, you know, the must action, all that.

32:53But it's, it's truly how that town feels about him. And it's an identity of Chicago. He had that identity of Chicago as a Midwest tough guy who went there really was a symbol of what they wanted to be as part of the monsters in the midway. And then in 85, I, I have never seen a more dominant defense. It was unbelievable how good they were. And yes, Buddy Ryan was a big part of it. And there was always a lot of controversy around it. If you remember, after they beat the Patriots, 46, 10 in just a completely non-competitive superbowl, the players held up Buddy Ryan as well as DITCA. But DITCA was an incredibly popular figure. It took a lot for him to eventually get dismissed and moved on by the Bears.

33:54He was a great, great figure in the history of Chicago. Went on to New Orleans. That obviously didn't work out there. He was a great analyst on TV for a long time. I'm just, I'm sad to hear of his passing for sure. But imagine the biggest legends in New York. And how we are when we lose them. That's how it is in Chicago today. That town will be in darkness for the rest of this football season because of that. I just mean as the overall town, as the overall tone, not how it's going to affect the team or anything like that. But you will see those patches, let me put it this way. You will see the DITCA patch on the Bears jersey the rest of the season. And there will be a massive uptick in Bears jersey sales for people to make sure they get the

34:59one with the DITCA patch. That's how much he means to that town. And it will be with them going to Green Bay this weekend, holy crap. I mean, there's going to be a lot of emotion behind that as well. I don't know that you could fully, I would have to think of like the, you know, the Joe Tories, the people like that here, kind of identifying with New York and greatness. That's what DITCA as a player and as a coach did there. It's about both of those things. It's not just about the 85 Bears, but that was the symbol of his greatest triumph. And think about a whole of fame player who then became a great coach. There's a lot there with Mike Dittgen Chicago. So it's a very sad day for sure, but it is in that town,

36:02they are going to be inconsolable for quite some time. All right, Tom, what else we got? They're going to do right by their guy. They're going to memorialize him properly. Oh, there's no question. There's no question. All right. Now moving on to last night's game, we were talking about it a little bit earlier. And you played some of the audio earlier from Dak Prescott, but the Cowboys lost. That sucks to be them. But what you seem broken up. I'm shattered this morning over it. Absolutely shattered, as I say, with a smile on my face. Dak Prescott, though, in the post game, had a little bit of a confrontation with a, initially, people thought was a Cowboys employee in the tunnel. But it turns out that wasn't the case. I'll explain a little bit more in a second. This was the exchange. Adam Raso, he's a reporter who was in the tunnel. He tweeted this out on X that was the exchange. So the employee, it was a third party contracted person that was in the tunnel. And this is basically that sounds like a game day type employee.

37:04Somebody who was there working security or something like that. Exactly. He says embarrassing as Dak Prescott's walking by. Dak just stares at him coldly for about five seconds as he's walking down the tunnel, turns away. And then the employee said to somebody else, he heard me. And then that's where he had Dak chime in that say, you're going to say something or something like that. And that that's gutless on the on the guys part. Like, first of all, shut up. Like don't don't say that to the quarterback of the team walking off the field. Secondly, if you do, Dak's not wrong. Like, and I'm not saying that Dak's going to go there because Dak's a smart dude. He's not going to go there and you know, it's start a fight with the guy, but that's a gutless move on that guys part. Wasn't great. And he didn't have the awareness either to think, hey, I'm in a large tunnel in an NFL stadium. Maybe what I say will echo through the chambers of the tunnel. They just kind of know where you are before you say something. Pride and the fact that Dak heard him. And maybe it was a giant's fan like myself. Well,

38:05I took pride in the loss. So Dak spoke about it, right? Oh, he sure did because of course, you got to ask him about that after the post game because if there's a confrontation, of course, everybody's got to know the answers to it. So Dak speaking about it. You read it with embarrassing or how do you know when you said that, I just happened to look at him. And at that point, you know, he looked away and didn't look. And then when I turned my head back, he said something else. And so that's the part that, you know, just as a man or as just a person feel free to speak your mind. Just speak it. Don't don't coward away from the reaction that you're going to get. And so yeah, I mean, if you're saying it's embarrassing, say it's embarrassing. If you're saying it to me, then say it to me. Don't you know what I mean? Go back on it. So that's all that was and hate it. That it's even being talked about to be honest with you. Yeah. And listen, Dak's not wrong. I mean, have some guts there. If you're going to be that guy, have some guts there. But don't be that guy in the first place. That's just what's so stupid to begin with. Next. Next up is a little bit of Jets news. If you haven't heard earlier, Rich Samini tweeted out a little while ago, the status of Breeze Hall and 80 Mitchell for Sunday,

39:09not a surprise. They will be out on Sunday as well as Dylan Parham and Kiki Mawa Noah, who of course died mistakenly last week. Didn't know what was Francis's brother. Here's the thing about you did not know that until last week. That's right. Here's the thing about the Mitchell thing guys have heard since it happened that the finger on Mitchell is broken and they're not saying. So what does that mean for when he can be back? I don't know, but how do you catch a football with a broken finger? That's all I'm going to ask. Yeah. Like Ray's just trying to show me to do it like like that. Squeeze your head together when it's coming at you 75 miles an hour. It's like what you it's like what you play as a kid with like a plastic boy. You just try and like clap your hands together and try and catch it. Yeah, I mean they cannot lose this game. We cannot be sitting here on Sunday afternoon watching Aaron Glenn saying things like yeah, we got to look at that. Yeah, we got to fix that like there can't be double digit penalties. There can't be massive breakdowns

40:12on defense. It just it's the prounds man. I know they're three and one. Don't get fooled. It's the prounds. It's the prounds. You can't do this. Tom anything else. That was all from me unless you wanted to hear a injury update on the giants as well from Joe. I wouldn't want to hear that. Jordan run on absolutely. We're an equal opportunity to show here. Rich Samini. We find out what he had to say. Jordan run on. We should absolutely find out what he has to say about Andrew Thomas, Malik neighbors and others. Andrew Thomas, they all came back to practice yesterday for the most part. So that was good. Scott Abu Dits, the red no contact jersey. He had a shoulder thing. He was limited the day before. But yeah, neighbors came back and Andrew Thomas is never going to practice on Wednesday, probably ever again. Neighbors, it's definitely I wouldn't say it's nothing in just a straight maintenance day. He was limping a little bit when he was walking on the knee. I definitely think that's something we need to keep an eye on

41:15is how his knee is holding up throughout the rest of the season. Although I don't think it's anything major that we need to worry about for this week. But I do think it's something to keep an eye on going forward. The Andrew Thomas thing, like there are just guys in the league that you just have to have them ready for Sunday and you have to just navigate that through the course of the week. That's what that's going to be. So you just deal with that as it is football Fridays and ESPN New York brought you by draft Kings, draft Kings. The crown is yours. As you know, managing maintenance repair and operations is never easy. But for the ones who always rise to the challenge, Granger has your back from professional grade products you can count on to fast, dependable delivery, they're there to help you keep things running smoothly. Plus their technical product specialist are here to help answer your toughest questions. And because Granger knows safety is always a priority, they're committed to being your partner and protecting both your people and your facilities. Call 1-800-GRANJURE. Click Granger.com or just stop by. Life insurance is one of those things that's

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43:16Restore and Protect motor oil at O'Reilly Auto Parts. Terms in limits apply. Plus, receive a $15 O'Reilly gift card after rebate. Visit your O'Reilly Auto Parts store or O'Reilly Auto.com. If you look at, for example, the advent of playing Smoreball especially in the playoffs, the Yankees are putrider. If you look at, for example, funding, 10 Bayrays, number one in months in 2026. If you look at feeling bases, they're tied for second in the majors. And so when you look at the Yankees, they're construct. It's home run or nothing. And they should be shading themselves. That first game, getting one hit in that game by a

44:19catcher who's hitting sub 200. And at no point, but they're trying to go ahead and put the ball and play move runner, hit behind the runner. So I think philosophically what's wrong with them is the way that offense is constructed. I think our pitching is in great shape, but I just think that our getting and philosophically the way that we play baseball from an offensive perspective, obviously has some change. I think there's plenty of there's plenty of truth in what you're saying. There's plenty of truth. It's not even about the small ball part of it. I know what you're saying. Here's the way that the race play, the race play as if they don't have any room to win outside of the margins. They have to go and win the game in the margins. When truth truth be told, they're a really, really good team, but they play with that urgency that the Yankees do not. And the other thing that they do is like when we talk about all of the situations in which the Yankees platoon players race to the same thing, the race have

45:21ton of different lineups. Like I'm not buying into the whole you know guys come to the ballpark and they don't know if they're playing or not. Like I don't I don't buy into that as much. The race do plenty of that themselves. What it has to be about is are the guys that you're putting there good in those positions. When A-Rot says you have five positions the other day where you don't know who's playing where that's more than fair. You have to know whether or not all right there's a lefty today. I'm probably playing or if it's a righty today, I'm probably not playing. And if so, where am I likely to be playing? Like those those things are not necessarily big questions for the race because they understand this is how we have to do it. The Yankees simply have their philosophy that's the same as Tampa's from that standpoint. Tampa just does it a whole lot better and that would be my question for Brian.

46:24How is it the team that spends a third of what you do has pretty much the same mentality and they do it better? How is that? Explain that to me. Like you can't tell me that for instance, Kevin Cash doesn't have an influence there. Like that's the part about Boone. I don't feel like guys should be coming to the big leagues not knowing how to play the game. So I don't feel like the fundamentals that we all talk about. But when these things continue to be problems, I have to point at Boone for some of it, don't I? Marvin and the Bronx. It's been a bit. What's going on Marvin? Hey, hey, six years. You know what I'm telling you, you know, we have the perspective. I'm coming from why I've been in the 80s playing 62 years. I've gone through throughout periods. And like I told my wife, I was in sport by 94 because I remember years like 1966. I know half of the population I've been wasn't born yet. But this we was this hotening, right? Because my problem I was at

47:30the last game, right? I'm saying knowing the strike zone. But guys like Trent Gridson, they take too many pitches. When I was when I played baseball, I'm not a major league. My thing was the first group of guests I see I'm swinging at. I'm not winning the mouth to pitch it down because he's different. I can't get on it. Oh, I need his one swing. But this is definitely this hotening. I know I'm just saying people like Joe Sherman, like Tanya, he's a part. But you're going to look at it from the outside. We have some of them. We have a man that influenced the whole lineup that's Aaron Judge, right? Because his presence alone dictates a different type of game. And I like I said that's right. CC for very few times my life on species. That's how bad I'm hurting. Marvin, I get it, man. It sucks the way that this has gone down. And it's unexpected the way

48:31that it has gone down. I think I can't believe I was as wrong as I was. And a lot of us were out of that red sock series. I just thought the Yankees were better than the race. Even though they hadn't been in the regular season. And what happened was, oh no, over those three games, you saw them get their ass kicked by a better team. That's what it was. Let's not make any mistake about it. Would it have been different with Judge? Maybe. Still think they lose the series? Still think they lose the series. Thanks for listening to the Chris Carlin podcast. I want my enemies to burn and hell. Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Before this. There's this. As you celebrate the game,

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