Hour 4: Is The Mariners Championship Window Closing?

0:00From the Quantum Fibre Studio, this is Brock & Song on Seattle Sports. Brock, you're the one who's the most popular and most popular in the world. Now here are your hosts, Brock, you're the one who's the most popular and most popular in the world. Brock, you're the one who's the most popular and most popular in the world. Well, the national folks have rediscovered the Seahawks, Brock. How great is that? Did that sort of, yeah, I would say so. I mean, here's Marcus Spears. I would say he's rediscovered or at the very least discovered the Seahawks. He was on with Rich Eisen. Mike McDonald to me. He's a Super Bowl champion winning head coach. But I think at this moment, we got to start talking about Mike McDonald as arguably the best coach in ball. When you think about what he was able to do last year, going in with a backup this past week. And I know it was Arizona, but Arizona just had a big win week one. And you see what they have like at their disposal defensively for a long time.

1:01There is going to be a reckoning in the NFC West. Okay. Hmm. I think it is very fair. If I was doing a national show, I don't know if you've ever heard this before, but that McDonald is the new McVeigh. Like the defensive version of Sean McVeigh? Wow, that's a great way to say it. What a, wow, Brock, that's that synergy we have over chemistry. It's amazing. All these years, this ability to really work together. Yeah, so I'm just like he's the defensive Sean McVeigh. You know what? Let's make a video of that after the show. Let's see if we can get that. Probably go viral to our 129,000 YouTube subscribers. Yes. I mean, he is. Everything like the McVeigh and Shanahan do. And I would even put Shanahan, honestly, is probably the tip of the spear. And you're seeing it now with their motions and other people emulating that. They're seeing it, you know, in personnel groupings and others emulating that. Sean certainly has taken the 13 personnel and put his little twist to some of that. But for the defensive people of the world, the Dave Wyman's, the Paul Moears, like the

2:06people that know their exes and knows and know their defense, they're the ones that truly are studying Mike to see how in the world are they doing this? How do they have, as I've said to you a couple times, all those answers? Mike answered it yesterday, right? He called it, hey, these are the looks to own. When we're trying to be ahead of place, right? So Gary Patterson, member of Gary Patterson, TCU. He's now a USC. He's trying, you know, kind of one last hurrah there. A big, a big kind of boomer bust higher by Lincoln Riley. Like Gary Patterson for years, all was ahead in a head of place. And he's actually the one guy and he was fascinated for me to cover TCU. And his defense was amazing because he was the one decordinator that tried to stay and literally on the field and take apart the play call. He didn't run his defense. He looked at the offense. He had all the tendencies, he had all the data, he had all the studies. He looked at their formations. He did all split field stuff. So one side does this, one side does that. And he would try to, and still is trying to, every single play beat the offense of coordinators

3:07hand. And that's what he wants the chalk last. Yes, for sure. For sure. So he would wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you see the format, all of it and try to get that call in last minute and try to beat that call. Right constantly the chalk last. So he could be ahead of the play and beat the play. Mike does that, but he doesn't do it like that way. He's not sitting over there like he's doing it by all of the behind the scenes study, by all of the formations, by all the tendencies, by all the looks, you know, Bella check did it largely, right? Bob was shoes and told a great story of sitting down with Bella check and Bella check having these charts of like, yeah, this is their spray, they're, they're spray chart. This is what this receiver does. This is what they do. These are their tendencies. So we are going to try to own that. This is a look that we're going to own based on all of that and take it apart. Right? It's a super bowl. It's a second super bowl. When they get in this formation and they do this with these players, this is where we're going to get, we're going to get this little rubber off.

4:07You're going to get this. And so we're going to play that play. That's it. We're going to own that look. We're going to be ahead of that play. Malcolm was butler on that play. He's ahead of it. And the number of times, Salki, these first two weeks that they are ahead of these plays has really been remarkable, especially in the second half. Yeah. Three points. I mean, it's just absurd. It's why Colin Cowherd, who may not be one of those exonogue guys that you were talking about said this. They're so good on the margins. They don't have like, when I watch them, I don't think, oh, theirs. Even last year, the Rams, I was like, I didn't like their special teams attack their corners. They're times with Buffalo. I'm like, I don't, I don't trust their past rush. I don't know what Seattle's weakness is. I don't know really, at least right now what it is either maybe, you know, after JSN, the receiving core has not been great. So far to start the year, they haven't really targeted too many other people other than Jackson to start in the season. So okay, maybe that shows up as a problem over the course of the year. But yeah, I mean, the defense certainly, I'm with them. Here's what Mark Schlaerth said yesterday with Wyman and Bob.

5:08I talked to one of the Arizona coaches who said to me, I was talking about the defense to him and he goes, listen, man, the most unselfish group I've watched on tape. You need somebody setting edge. They'll set the edge. You need somebody at buzz underneath in the flat. They'll buzz underneath in the flat. You need a guy to blit that is normal cover guy. He'll blit and they'll do it. You know, they'll do it with passion. I said on the broadcast at one point, it's amazing what you can accomplish when nobody cares who gets the credit. And that's what I walked away from watching Seattle. Isn't that exactly what Jeff Paschund, Jessica, 10 minutes ago about what the next manager has to do here? I mean, it is the one carryover in any sport in the NBA when the Oklahoma City Thunder won their title. What? None of them cared about who gets the credit. Yeah, they had the MVP. They don't care. It is about, you know, leaving my name when I walk in that building and putting on the Seahawk name, the Mariner name, the Sonic name, the Kraken name, the Husky name, the Kug name. That name is more important than, and when you get guys at this level to do that, Salk,

6:09sacrificially, when it's all about your finances too, right? Like, if I make plays, if I'm by a Murphy and I could be signed after this year, you know, it'd be really helpful if I get 10 sacks. And the Seahawks are like, no, no, Devon with a spoon, you don't need 10 interceptions. Don't need the stats. Right. We don't pay you either way. And that's not paying Devon with a spoon paying Derek Hall becomes as important as it is, because it's not just spending the money on those guys. It's the message that you sent to everybody else of, I don't need the production and the stat sheet. I need you to do your job. And if you do it, we'll pay you for it. So it's like, you know, when kids try out for sports teams, right? That, you know what the Seahawks are? They don't just go for the flash in the season on the selfish. No, they're like, no, that's a really good player. I want that player on my team, right? It is an A U world like, oh, I got to go in this trial and I got to go score a U summer ball. I got to get mine. I got to get mine. I got to be aggressive. I got to get mine. And the Seahawks are like, no, you got to be a Seahawk.

7:09And they're chock full of all sorts of them. 70 strong of them that help them win the Super Bowl because of it. Defense is really good, man. I mean, I think the offense is good. I'm not, I don't need to take a shot, but just the defense is, it's really good because that's where you need that attitude even more than the offense. It gets to kind of dictate the offense can, you know, have a TV or receiver or whatever. Like, you said that. But their receiver has to be the most unselfish star receiver in the game. Yes. I mean, I don't know enough about Justin Jefferson. Maybe he belongs on that list also. I don't, I don't, by all accounts, he's not crazy. He's not selfish. He's not a, like Justin Jefferson sounds like the perfect guy. So I don't want to take, maybe he's on there also, but it's certainly no one is more unselfish than JSN at that position as a star. I mean, he's, it's remarkable. And that attitude absolutely carries through. Cooper cup these first two weeks has had like three targets. He's, he's a borderline, Hall of Fame caliber player, right? If he were to add another 60, 70 receptions and like he's, he's in that conversation.

8:13Does he care that he's gotten three balls and to four balls and two games? Doesn't seem like it does it. AJ Barner and like, hey, man, I got to be trade. I miss Gordon to touchdown and immediately gave the ball to the left tackle to spike it. So no, I don't think he cares at all. He doesn't seem to be caught up in it. And I'm sure AJ Barner knows he doesn't need 60 catches this year to get a contract. But Gronk ain't talking about me like he is McBride before the game is greatest in the game. I don't care. He doesn't have Terry Bradshaw around to say what about McBride also because that was quite a moment. All right. Let's take quick break. We'll come back. We'll give you everything you need to know. I do want to answer a big question. I see floating around the Mariner verse and then we got to answer the question chart today as well. I'm sending questions in right now. I'll take them now. You don't have to wait. 8669-73776. Everything you need to know next on Brock and Salk. Need to know 15 minutes passed every hour with Brock and Salk.

9:14Here's what you need to know. First, C.O.X. are playing really well with Drew Lockett quarterback. So obviously he's going to keep playing quarterback. No, he won't. Wait, maybe he will. Nobody knows. We're waiting to see what happens with Sam Tarnalds when he starts to practice this week, maybe? Right now, the plan is for him to be out there in some capacity and we'll go from there. How much we'll see from here to Wednesday on what that number is, but right now that's the goal. I mean, what the kind of it always is fascinating to look at injury ports for every position. But this one's a little more heightened. I would say significant. Yeah, I absolutely want to see when we get there in March. Is this going to be, are we going to see partial participation from Sam Tarnald? If we do, I mean, obviously that at least opens the door for him playing in DC. What's running gingerly? Don't you dare. Don't you dare. In the meantime, I think everyone feels really comfortable with Drew Lock.

10:17We had Daniel Jeremiah earlier so they could win a Super Bowl with him. Mark Schlereuth, who saw him when he was in Denver, said this. Experience is confidence and it's also understanding that you don't have to do too much. You like, hey, you don't have to go out there and win this game. That's not what we're asking you to do. We're asking to go out here and manage this. And I thought Brian Florida, a great job of mixing things up, you know, that we're operating from a play action standpoint, given him opportunity and easy throws. And then, you know, also getting some of that energy stuff to Smith and Jig Bun, some of the other guys that they, they completed passes to. The whole process was great and then Drew Lock's maturity. I don't have to go out here and do anything special. I just have to go out here and operate. I just have to go out here and the only way we really lose games is if we turn it over. They do have a pretty holistic way of preparing for these things. Sure do. Right. It's the coordinator, it's this quarterback, it's the rest of the group, it's the number of running plays they come in. All of it seems to come together and end up with a lot of success.

11:18So what if Sam is sprinting gingerly? Can you do that? Is that even a thing? I don't know. Anybody could do it Sam can, I guess that's part of what we learn there. Here's the second thing you need to know. It really is. It really is better even a week later. It just doesn't get it at all. How's your honor, kind of ginger? I'm sorry. I really am. I apologize to everybody. Are you laughing out there? I'm glad I, I mean, is bad as the Sam Bradford thing was with my yesterday. I'm glad you didn't say anything about Sam running gingerly. That would have been too much. That would have gotten me in trouble. I'll tall darken handsome with Daniel Jeremiah earlier. I could have gone a lot worse. I could have gone a lot worse. You know, it is wild talk. I got to do the Ohio State USC at that point, biggest game of my life.

12:18Yeah, and you know what I called Sam Darnel during that game a couple times? Sam Bradford. Yeah. And you didn't even have Anthony Bradford's name right in front of you. So then I just called him Sam. Yes, smart. I totally screwed that. I told I came in at six this morning. I was like, I was still upset about it this morning. That really got to me. I really did. I felt awful about it. That really that I found like truly embarrassing. That's like when I tried it with Jerry and called him Anthony Munoz and he's like, oh, he had a left hand. Yeah, that's a bad one. And that just backed up your football thing too. Sure to do Sam Bradford. Oh, that one really hurt. Rams look good. Yes, you got to give him credit. I don't believe I'm still don't the hype and the super team and all that. Like, it's spare me. You got a lot of weapons. They played really well yesterday. Right. They kind of did every staff are throwing for what 327 yard, 295 yards to Davonte. 31. That pedaling.

13:18What a touchdown. Davonte. Two bucks really good too. By the way, it's why I just got paid again. Yeah, he's really good. Aaron Donald still really good. James Winston is not. Let me hear Aaron Donald cut six. I still can't believe this is Aaron Donald. This is Aaron Donald. You know, when you and the moon, we don't think about that. You know, like I said, once I started to get back playing football, I kind of felt like I was never gone. You know, kind of felt like I played last year. You know, that's like a running back. Don't rise. Why do you see for running back? That does not sound like Aaron Donald. Yeah, so do we have any other Aaron Donald in our system? Like I don't even know whether we have any Aaron Donald. To your point, like we hardly ever. I feel like I've never really heard him say anything. No, I don't think he was a big talker. I don't think he needed to be. I guess that's true. Oh, it's hard to look up Donald's because you know what you get? All of our Mike McDonald's. Like when Mike McDonald has the word Donald in it makes it a little harder. And then Aaron, we're going to get all the Aaron Goldsmith. All right, give me an old one. This is from 2020. Okay. It felt like you lose five games in our division.

14:19You know, you might not make it to the playoffs because you know, you got the guy that just we just got a lot of the Seattle solid team. 49ers are still I think the thing. The Cornels is going to pass that. Okay. That sounds like it. You know, when you and I, we don't think about that. You know, like I said, one of us that can't be Aaron Donald. It's a Sean McVeigh. That can't be the same person. It's a Sean McVeigh. There's no way that's the same person. You know, when you and I, we don't think about that. You know, like I say, the one you got. Here's another one. This one's from 2021. You'll play the C. That's not him. No, definitely not. That's not him. Definitely not. That's not him either. This one is over here. We won the first game. It got the best of us. The second game. No, no, it's like more like the, you know, they got the division. You know, when you and I, we don't think about that. I'm sorry. I'm too different. I don't know what to tell you. That's not the same. Are you sure that the cut is made to that? Totally honest, like Stafford speaking, tenor and tonus change too. Shish. When you're around the Bay and he's messaging us. We have a very big role. Yeah, I think it, you know, sometimes you, you know, sometimes you win, sometimes you learn.

15:21And, you know, sometimes you have a dumb ass coach that, you know, makes travel plans that put you in the bath spot. There you go. And then Tyro Kata sounds exactly like Sean McFae. That's true. And so does Dave Pearson when he tries to, which is pretty great. Oh, we're already in the third bed. Oh, my God. No, we're not. Yeah, we are. This is the third bed. Don't get confused. Mariners played and I were about to discuss them in greater detail. But, yeah, magic number is two to be eliminated. And you got Logan Gilbert on the hill against Christian. It's so called a magic number. It's a black magic. It's a voodoo number. Yeah, more of a number. Yeah, all right. That's everything you need to know quarter past every hour and some stuff you probably don't need to know in as well. Yeah, the question that's come up with the mariner. We will do answer the question, Jerk. So please text in your questions now 866-979-3776. I'll spend the next five minutes going through all of your questions and then we'll read them and answer them at 945.

16:22So send them now to 866-979-3776. Any question, any subject? This question has come up about whether the Mariners window is closing or closer to being open or closed. And I, I don't, I think it's almost a false question. So let me try to answer it together. Next and then we'll answer all your other questions. It's Brock and Sox, ale sports on 710. Want the inside scoop on the Mariners? Sign up for Mariners mail in 2424-7 texts to get it out. 7 texts to get access to exclusive pre-sales, special ticket offers, breaking news and more. Go to mariners.com slash insider and text mariners to 2424-7. This podcast is supported by your Southern California Kia dealers. Around Southern California, it's easy to spend plenty of time behind the wheel. Whether you're commuting from OC or heading to Santa Barbara for the weekend, going farther between fuel stops is something everyone can appreciate. That's exactly what Kia's hybrid lineup is built for. Kia offers five hybrid models that combine turbocharged power with hybrid efficiency,

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19:33This is Brock & Zawk. We're day 6 to 10 on Seattle Sports and 973FN-HD2. Alright, we had some good questions that have rolled in here for. Answer the question jerk in 15 minutes. Please text your questions. We've got a couple of minutes to grab them during the segment if you want 866-979-3776. Phonome is the text line there 866-979-3776. As always, any question on any subject, and there are some good ones I promise. The question that's been floating around out there has been, you know, is the Mariners Closer to Championship Contention or Rebuild. Essentially, is their window open or closer to being closed? I don't think it's a real question. I think it's a false premise based on the way they've built their team.

20:33I don't think they view it that way. Right? Now, other people may, and I'll play you some Joel Sherman here in a minute. I think from the Mariners perspective, they would say, neither. That's not how we view this. We rebuilt. And the idea of the rebuild. Again, get upset about the comments and the timing and the terrible explanation of it. But when Jerry made his 54% comment, the idea behind it is, if we can be in a situation where we're in contention every year, the teams that win roughly 54% make the playoffs every year. And when they do, they have an opportunity to go win. So they don't view it as we contend and then we drop out and then we contend and then we go all in and then we go all out. They're trying to build something that has an opportunity to contend every year. Whether or not that's actually going to occur, you're not. You're not going to win every year. It's not going to go the way you want it to every year.

21:34And this year, I think you would say, went as poorly as you could have. Right? This was the first percentile. Right? Who was it who wrote that article last week? Bradford do a little maybe I forget it. This was the first percentile of how bad things could go. This was the worst result possible for the team that they built this year. But with Cal Raleigh, Julio Rodriguez, the pitching staff, people that you could get back if you were to trade them, even Josh Naylor, and then the youth that we talked about, Las Montes and Colt Emerson and the whole group of them. They don't Kate Anderson. They don't view the window as opening or closing. They view it as, as a long contention with more waves that keep coming. Okay, play the sound and then I want to react to it because I think I'm a little bit with you. I think there's an argument that it has worked. In fact, you'd be right. But I don't know whether they view that window that way.

22:36Here's the original Joel Sherman cut that got this started. Let's start with the Mariners. Jerry DePoto has been in charge of baseball operations there for 11 years. They've only made the playoffs in two of those. They still, the last year they won their division. It's the only time since 2001 they won their division. They're the only of the 30 teams that's never played in the World Series. Do you feel like they're closer or further away? The one strength they've had these last few years, undeniably, going is this homegrown core of four starting pictures. Who are above average and mainly stayed healthy. There's the floor, right? They all kind of took a step kind of backwards or more than that this year while moving closer to free agency. So the cost control you have with them and the control in general is escaping and they haven't fully maximized it. Yeah, that is really to me the question is, is the pitching. I mean, that's the, the whole crux of everything of whether you believe that window is still wide open that you throw Kate into the mix now.

23:38You got Sloan coming back. You got Logan Evans and Harrison Hancock. You got all of this massive supply of pitching. And that's what this thing has always been built on. That is the, that's the foundation. There's more coming, right? If you do trade George Kirby, you're going to replace them with Kate Anderson. If you do trade Bryce Miller, you're going to replace them with Ryan Sloan. Logan Evans is going to return. Like that is how they built it. If you believe in that pitching in that pitching pipeline, then your window is open. I think the real question is, it's internally open. Yes, I think the real question Joel's asking. And I think the more appropriate question as you said, kind of a false premise is, do you believe that this front office? That's a different. That's a different question. Because this front office, I think believes so fully what you said earlier, like, no, man, the farm system, the mix of age, the different pieces, the pitching, like, no, no, this is not a window opener clothes, like the. I don't see that at all to a question is this right. This the front office to be competitive for a playoff spot every year.

24:40The real question is, is that the right strategy or do they need to make a harder push for a more competitive window? That's a very fair question. Yes. That's a very fair question. The challenge I think we have is, I think the way they view it, and I don't know this exactly, but let me see if I can kind of reason this out. Can you say we or they are you referencing the totality of the organization? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. That's a good question. I don't know. I guess the way I think they again, they view it is you build a good team. You get to a point, you know, kind of the old school philosophy of you spend two months figuring out what you got, two months tinkering with it, and then two months making your big push at the end with the team that's actually going to get you to where you want to go. Last year that worked really well, right? They spent two months kind of figuring it out, maybe even three months figuring it out by the time they got to all July, they knew who they were.

25:45They knew they were a good team, not quite a great team, but they knew what they needed in order to get to that next level. They went out, they traded for Josh Neller, they traded for Geno Suarez, and they didn't get the reliever that they needed. Right? They tried, but they didn't get it. Very easy to say that if you know the old Lail Goldstein, if they could have got that monster, if they got the Iran or Jeff Griffin, jacks, they might they might want the world serious last year. Yeah. And I think it's a very fair criticism to say, okay, why didn't you go even harder? Okay, they didn't like your deal as much as someone else's, then you need it to offer more because honestly, Joanne Durand might have gotten this done. Griffin, jacks might have gotten it done. If you had one of those guys instead of Edward Bizarreau in that spot in that inning, and if you hadn't traded for Caleb Ferguson, I mean, like you'd be in a different spot. There's no, it's hard not to argue that. Could they have gone any bigger? Yes, absolutely. Really, really fair question to ask.

26:45And I think that that of all of the things to ask about the front office, that's the number one. Do they know and have an understanding of what it means to get the final pieces in place to get to the promise land? Does Jerry DePoto know how to build an organization? Yes. Definitively, the answer to that is yes. The organization the Mariners have now compared to the organization the Mariners had 11 years ago is night and day guys. It's night and day putting the systems in place, the sabermetrics and the analytics in place, the scouting in place, the drafting, the developing, all of it. It functions at a high level. It does. I know that's hard for people to hear because they're mad right now, but it does. That's organizational stuff. Functions really, really well. I think that when you're looking on the other side of that, you're probably pointing at three things, four things. One, just the acquisition of Major League hitting has been horrific. Two, the ability to get yourself over the top in years where you were in that contention.

27:48After the two, three, four months, what are you doing to make your team good enough to get over the hump? Not this year where they weren't really that good anyway, but last year or a couple of years, like the year that they made, like there's been other seasons where they've had that opportunity and not finished it off. I think that's two, three relationship with the players, right? And the media and the fans. I think there's a real question about the way Jerry comes across to those three groups of people. And then the fourth one would be hiring a manager. And you know, two years ago, they made the decision to fire Scott, hire a new manager, and it looks like now they're about to change that. So those would be the four things that I would be looking at on the other side of that. And for anybody who thinks that I'm just sucking up to the Mariners or anybody who thinks that I'm being overly critical, I'm trying to present all sides of this. I don't think it's an easy question one way or another. The managerial question is very simple. They're going to change the manager. The managerial decision making, all of every job that the manager is required to do, he's fallen short on this year.

28:53You have to make that change. I don't like you can't continue on like this. The in-game decision making has been horrific for two years. The communication was bad. The media and the fans lost trust like you have to make that change. The team underperformed too many people underperformed individually. The chemistry was off. There was no accountability. All of those things are going to come back to the manager and they're going to change the manager. That one's simple, but the front office is complex because I think you can make very strong arguments on both sides of that. Give me cut 16, okay? And this kind of furthers the conversation. I think a little bit more. Cal Raleigh went from 60 homers to one of the most disappointing players in the sport. Their best offensive player, Randall Rosarena, is a free agent. Is he coming back? You know, Julio Rodriguez, he's paid like a superstar and he's kind of playing like a complimentary guy. Andres Munoz, who seems to be such a good closer, leads the major leads and blown saves.

29:53Like, besides Rosarena, these are the guys they're moving forward with. Also, I don't know that Dan Wilson's their manager is going to be the manager for next year's team. What are they building around now as they do it? So that's where I kind of disagree with what Jeff was saying earlier. I think you could make a pretty strong case that if you removed the manager and if you think that the manager and the coaching was a huge reason why those guys underperformed, then I don't know how many change you need outside of that. If you think that there's a lot more to the story, if you think that, you know, Munoz isn't the guy. If you think that Cal Raleigh is not the guy, if you think that Julio is not the guy, then obviously you need to make more significant sweeping changes. Yeah. Yeah. And ultimately, I just don't want to get caught up in what I saw just this one year, because I think there's more evidence that those guys have more in them. And it just wasn't brought out by the coaching staff this year. You hope so. You hope so. And then ultimately, do you kind of lean into the front office back to your kind of first point there to be the ones to make these decisions with the majorly kidding.

31:00Right. To make these decisions with who you do build around and who you do part with and who you trade for and what you get back. Right. And I think you also got to ask, like Josh Naylor, like, I mean, he just kind of gets a pass because Cal and Julio, right. And especially Cal is kind of front and center on that. So from a national standpoint, nobody's talking about his worst year of his career. After signing a mega deal. Yep. Right. And then he's like, I'm just going to say, hey, man, it's one thing with better. It's what he heard in what he heard all year and dealing with a wrist injury and this and that. And if that's not the case, does he perform better? And then is that on the manager for not having the lines of communication open enough to be able to say, hey, man, you've got to sit down for a few months in order to get the actual Josh Naylor back. Right. But you see, it's like you're one of the best home run hitters in baseball. Here's Ty France. Like, you've seen Ty Francis numbers. He's been on the lose. He's got like 28 home, not one of the best in the league, but 28 home runs and he's hitting career. He's unbelievable.

32:00He's healthy. His wrist aren't hurt. His thumb doesn't hurt. His hand doesn't hurt. And baseball goes up and down. Mm hmm. Okay. So you think Josh Naylor's toast now? I don't. No. I don't think Julio's toast. I don't think Cal's toast. I think they didn't maximize what they were capable of this year. In fact, they were awful. But I don't think they're bad players. I think they're incredibly talented. I don't look at the, again, I think the front office has four major things they've got to handle. And they've got to answer for. But signing Josh Naylor, like, I don't think that's one of them. It didn't work. But I don't point to that and say that was a terrible decision. I say that's a guy that you didn't communicate with well enough or get the most out of. Yeah. And to be fair, that's a decision that we were like, it's, you have to. This is not a want to. You have to sign Josh. Of course. Right. For your organization. But if they don't, then they're cheap and they don't spend money. And they said, like, I just, I think we just keep conflating results with process over and over again. The process on Josh Naylor was good. Yeah. The result in year one was not.

33:01That doesn't mean it's not going to be next year. If you still like the signing, if you like what you like the reason you, you did it. And you think hopefully, Brock, I'm with you. Hopefully there was injury issues that led to that down season. I hope he gets a researcher in the off season. That'd be great news. Like that would be awesome. And then I would say, why the hell didn't he do it three months ago? You're not helping the team if you can't be Josh Naylor. Yeah. Oh, this is going to be a lot of conversation. I know. I know. They're really, they're really are. There are a lot of conversations here. And I, they're not simple. The managerial conversation is pretty simple. The other ones are not. I think there are legitimate reasons to, to kind of go in both directions. And I, I don't know which way they'll come. I think they'll probably end up staying the course because it's safer. And I do think the situation that I laid out to Jeff earlier is kind of a disaster scenario. You hire a new manager. You really like that manager. Then you fire the GM next year. And now you're starting entirely all over. And now you've had essentially three managers in three years and four and five years.

34:05Like that is not a good place to be. Now you're, you're drifting the wrong direction. So I think you got to a, get that managerial higher right. And be, make darn sure that it's the right group because you don't want to be moving on from them at the end of another season. Let's answer some questions. It's his broken socks. Answer the question, jerk. Keep asking questions. Come on, I'm here. I'm going to answer your questions, Dave. Answer the question, jerk. Well, don't just answer the question, jerk. So, yeah, it's the question, so. Yes. Hear me? Even in my house. You know the whole of the side. Oh, yeah. There's one final lot that's being built. Yeah. It's probably 80% done. So now it's like, you know, the final contractors and the different pieces to finish it all off. I have a neighbor on my right. I have a neighbor across the street that has decided every day to put out now. Garth, these, these buckets with like rocks in it in an official sign that says no parking.

35:06Right. But it's just in front of their house. Right. Their house. House is. And so they're all parking in front of my house, which I don't care. Like they're working. God bless them. Right. But why are they parking in front of that house? Because there's these signs that there's no parking in front of their house. So they're doing a huge construction project and you're on your street. Yeah. Just like the house has been finished. Yeah. We did a rebuild for years ago, like, you know, did some major work on our house. And we had a lot of trucks in and out for a little while. You know what we did? We went around all. I mean, I don't need to make a sound special. I think most people do this. Our neighbors did this too. Go around. You talk to your neighbors and say, hey, we're going to be doing x, y, and z. If there are any problems, here's our number. We'll try to keep them. Tell them not to park in front of your house. If there are any times, this and that'll, by the way, here's a ball of wine. Like it. That's not that hard. No. No. But it sounds like you're getting the opposite of that. Yes. The opposite. And I just want to take those signs and throw them through their front windows. Are they real legal signs? Or are they just? No.

36:06They don't own the property. They don't own the road. So just take their signs now. I'm tempted to. Or go park your car there. Well, start a war. Have to feel my co-ed. It's darn right. Now this is one of the pit bulls. Like I think she gets shoot. Well, then you probably want to be careful. Is this worse than your old neighbor? My old neighbor. The one who's done the neighbor in Redmond. What happened with that neighbor? With the ding dong ditch and all that other stuff. No, it's the same one. Oh, this is the same neighbor. Oh, this is the crazy one. This is the crazy one. No, this is the only crazy neighbor ever. Oh, no, no, no. This is the crazy neighbor. Wow. That's the pit bulls. The bit are like that. Yeah, that lady's coming out of property. Yeah, you got problems. Get a friendship. They're very tough to let you know. Over. You're friendship will take on these pit bulls. They'll try. They'll try. They think they're very tough. All right, Jerks, who would you rather sit in a room for 24 hours with? Sean McVeigh or Bruce Ariens? Sean McVeigh. A smart, interesting guy.

37:07I mean, like, I don't love McVeigh, but he's smart, interesting. If you drink paint with Bruce, there wouldn't be much. No, you can't in that room. You got to get your stomach pumped afterwards. I think of all the excuses Bruce would make for why he was in the room. Well, he's really... Frog and Salk. What do you think the Seahawks need to do in the next two games to go foreign out? Win both of them? What they've been doing? I mean, I gotta win them. Give a baby point to game and... I have explosive plays on the ball. I'm confused by this question. Salk, could you describe the characteristics of the toilet paper with which you travel on occasion? Well, it's made by... You know... Charmin? Charmin. What other characteristics would it have? Is it four-ply? Three-ply? Just five. Whatever the sharmin' is for war. Charmin, I don't know. Both kind of the same. With which travel? When I am traveling, yeah. I don't mind... I miss this.

38:07Yeah, I've brought your own toilet paper. Sometimes. Okay. Be your own block or bring your toilet paper. If I'm going to an Airbnb or something for an extended period of time, or if I'm going somewhere like Las Vegas, I will often throw a roll of toilet paper in my bag. B-Y-O-T-P? Just... I find that I don't always like what's there. Yeah. You know, it's bad enough that I don't have my bidet on the road, but I find it like... Are you a dude, white sky at all? No. I need you there. No. They sent me accidentally, I ordered something on Amazon, and it came with like nine packages of dude wipes. Uh-huh. But we mostly just used them to wipe windows, but... He ends up dude, white sky, huh? Definitely not. No, thank you. I think this just reminds me that we need a new hairspray. Is it Levi? That does the pretentious elitist... Yeah. You think it's a pretentious elitist thing to want your... You want a toilet paper on occasion? Because you don't have your bidet. Yeah. That's it. Spoke my stuff in it. But the other... I mean, the other end of that is... I don't know.

39:07Or why men just bring, you know, paid extra payers at your arms. Yeah, see, that's terrible. That's not me. Heather, I was, I guess, inside bidet. Heather wanted to get the thing and attaches to the toilet. It's just an attachment. All right. It's not like I built a whole bidet room in my house. It's just a little toilet attachment, but man, is it a game changer? Uh, Jerk's... What happened to the Lincoln Park music at the beginning of Need to Know? I was wondering if anyone else would notice. I did. What was that? So, it turns out, I guess. I don't know all the details on this, but the Lincoln Park music was flagging one of the... Maybe it was Spotify or one of the places where the podcast go, and so they weren't yet. It was... We couldn't keep playing. So our... Our... Imaging guy, Matt, put in some new imaging... New live? Yeah, he is. And it'll have to be kind of blank and like, it'll be... Non... I don't know what you call it, a generic music. It won't be a song that, you know? But that's not the right one. So we're gonna go back to the drawing board and see if we can get... Something fake. Because I wasn't feeling that. No, it's got...

40:07It doesn't have any energy to do. No. No. It made it hard to do Need to Know. That's right. Okay, I'm glad you were great. And thank you for noticing someone. Uh, Brock, what was the hardest injury you had to deal with both mentally and physically during your football playing days? Mmm. Was it, uh, Latino-mobly? Or not, Latino. John Mobly, rather? I mean, that one was very, very painful. Being blood, that wasn't good. I'd say this separated shoulder was like incredibly excruciatingly painful. And to try to come back and throw with that, that sounds bad. And I've said to you before, how Cody Pickett, the old rodeo guy did, I had like a grade two, he had a grade three. How he did that, I have no idea. And I was not a drugs taker, and I'm not saying he was. I don't think he was. I think he was just that tough. Tough. I just couldn't, it was like a knife in my, it's like a knife. I couldn't lift my arm. Ugh. Yeah, that was no fun. No, that doesn't sound fun. Uh, Jerks, the coals have said they want to bring back the white throwback jerseys.

41:07True. They are. Which jersey would be lost as a result? Probably a blue throwback. I think you have to make sure it's... Oh, you think they'll go just one throwback or the other? Yeah. It's too bad. I would really go in the white, the regular white. Just replace the regular white with that. Stick with your blue, the gray throwback. I like it. I throw them in the form on Sunday. I left out one. Uh, what was that just blue? Just blue. A wolf gray, yeah. Yeah, I like that. Wolf Gray is good. I'm really good. But the white is coming to you. I like the great ones. They wore last year, those cool, I like that. I forget what they're called. Oh, the city connect. The neighborhood. The car knows war. Yeah, I like those. I like those. I like those are cool. I like the ducks. I like the ducks. I know war. Yeah. I do. You better start liking them. There's a decent chance Titus is going to go there. Okay, rivalry. So let's not get to... Let's not get to it down on the ducks. I'm not down on the ducks. It sounds like you are. I just said it had a very ducky and kind of feel to it. How Titus... It did a little bit. Ducks are jets. So how is Titus going to handle the...

42:08the loss this blue... How's he handling it? Better than that is. I'm still mad. As you should be, I'm mad and I only want to talk about it. I only want to talk about it. I only want to talk about it. You need to be able to talk about it. Well, Brock's team got so screwed. We don't have time. We gotta go. And tell him we're screwed, and I think we're like... Let's talk about it tomorrow. Can we do that? Yeah, Bram Weinstein is going to join us. We'll have Peter Schräger to join us, so we gotta get out of here. I'm sorry, that's answered the question, jerk. A bump in STACEy or up next will be in its sixth sense. I mean when Cecilie was as mad as she was. Cecilie had to walk away. And she only had to watch the end of it. She had to walk away. She's like, what? So mad. map. We'll see how Fuji really are South people said there's travel but they attachments for them. I'm not doing that. That's too much. Just bring your own toilet paper. It's not that hard. All right, we'll see you guys tomorrow morning at 6 a.m. until then. The hey is in the bar. See everybody. This is the job. One.