Impeach Hegseth? Thomas Massie Makes His Case

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2:02Would we, in fact, get impeachment hearings? Is this sort of procedural, if not symbolic, but important for the rest of us to know? This is something that is punishable if Congress were serious, which clearly they're not. Now, here's what representative Massey proposed in the House today. Just a little snippet and then we'll go through the details in a moment. Impeaching Peter Brian Hegseth, Secretary of Defense for High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Resolved that Peter Brian Hegseth, Secretary of Defense, also referred to as Secretary of War by the administration, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate, articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America, in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Peter, Brian Hegseth, Secretary of Defense, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. Article 1, waging war and contravention of the war powers resolution of 1973, Section 2C.

3:08Okay. So he goes on to speak. He spoke for about an hour today. He talked about not only bombing the girl school in February of 2026, not only continuing to leave American forces in harm's way, also the attacks on Venezuela, which were unprompted, also defunding civilian tracking programs, which would tell us exactly how many civilians have been killed, how many military personnel has been killed. We don't have a strong sense of that because the military continues to hide that information. He talks about disregard for rules of engagement that Secretary Hegseth has ordered maximum lethality. He talked about removing legal advice, his legal advisors from the Department of War now, how he has omitted civilian protections from the 2026 defense budget, retaliated against a member of Congress, Senator Mark Kelly, and he estimates that under the Trump administration and the Department of War,

4:09which is led by Secretary Hegseth, there have been at least 200 civilian deaths, 500 Houthi fighters, all without allowing Congress to declare war. So obviously these are things any reasonable person should be upset about, but what will happen. Now it would be interesting if we did get about, I'm not sure we will, but again, it's worth listening to, even if we know that the people in power are idiots, they are, that they don't take their responsibility to declare war seriously. They don't, they support every war, bullsites, bipartisan support. So would Democrats actually vote to impeach Secretary Hegseth because even Nancy Pelosi this week said, well, we're at war, we need to support the president. What the hell, Nancy Pelosi, who hates Trump, who spent four years during his first term, doing nothing, but dumping on Trump now is saying, well, you know, but the war, we support the war. So what would actually happen? Is this actually a bandaid on an amputee,

5:10or is it something that we could, they're very least put energy into collectively because our representatives are adults? Well, joining us to discuss, we have Dan Davis to start with. We are also going to talk to Dave DeCamp from Antiwar, but Dan's here. So we'll start with him from the deep dive with Dan Davis, one of my favorite contextual shows on YouTube gives us a sense of what's actually happening instead of getting caught up in the, are we going to destroy around what, what, what, what. So thank you so much for joining us. What do you make of this, sir? I think it's a long time in coming. I was surprised it caught me a little off guard. I, I published a piece in Responsible State Craft last week saying that the guy needs to go because he's doing a terrible job. Even for president Trump, much less all the things that you just mentioned in that, that's, that set up with your model on there. But I mean, he's, he's just an awful secretary of defense. His, I mean, I'm talking about his judgment. I mean, it's from the beginning. When, when his whole thing, when they first started attacking the Houthis in the Red Sea,

6:15and he conducted all that stuff on signal chat. Remember that one? That was the real red flag because anyone who's been in the military longer than like three weeks understands you never conduct actual operational planning on an unclassified network. Period, especially not a civilian application like signal. And yet there they are with all these senior leaders across the government taking care of this headline by the secretary of defense, who is the primary guy that should have known better. And we have systems for it. But he said, no, I don't care about the rules. I don't care about doing anything. And then a lot about it and said that it's not, oh, we weren't doing actual mission programming, even though they have the transcript out there. And you see that they're coming to the detail of fighter jets doing this. And they're a hot inbound here, all this kind of stuff. That's from the beginning. And then it went downhill from there. And you have all this stuff that absolutely deserves an impeachment to the extent that there needs to be some consideration of going to jail with this killing of the

7:20innocent people. I actually forget about whether they're innocent or guilty. It doesn't even matter, legally, it doesn't matter with these boats and the Caribbean seat and the Pacific sea that he gave the order to attack. Because there is no law that allows you to just unilaterally kill somebody because you claim they're running drugs. That's not a lethal offense, not even an American law. And yet he just did that when he was sending people into the the the Rand War. He gets up on stage in a prayer, no less. And it tells people let's be ruthless. Let's have no mercy on the enemy. No quarter given. That is literally saying talking about war crimes. Those are not legal to do. International law, American law, you see him. Jay, none of that stuff. All of these things he's led. And then there's just the fact of sorry for running on here. There's even the fact that he is supposed to be telling President Trump, look, I get it. You want to go and take care of Iran. You want to knock them out. You want to assassinate their leader and take over the country. That's okay.

8:24I get what you want. We don't have the military power to do it. You cannot just bomb your way to success. It just doesn't work that way. There are defensive capacities under these granite mountains all throughout their missile capability, their drone capability, their dispersion, the size. We can't do it. And instead he says, yeah, we can do it, which means he's also incompetent to addition to immoral. Other than that, I got no problem with him. Okay. I mean, I guess I will admit, you know, he was Clayton's co-inker on Fox and Friends for a few years. And it never, I only met him a few times. He's friendly. It never struck us that this guy really wants a war with Iran. That was never the rhetoric on Fox and Friends. That was not something. That was, I mean, you tell you this piece that I talked about, published in responsible stake, Brad, I admitted in there that I went on NBC news and I said, Hey, he deserves a shot. I mean, he's got some combat experience. I look at the stuff that he was saying in his, in his Senate testimony. I said, yeah, let's give, if he does what he said he's going to do there, this is something that we need. We

9:28need a change. We don't need another Lloyd Austin, et cetera. And he just turned into, it's like he wasn't even the same person. So I don't know who this guy is. Well, here's something that I've been sort of mulling about. And I want to bring in Dave DeCamp from anti-war.com because Dave, you predicted on the show not too long ago that Hegg said would be the fall guy. It doesn't seem to me. Every time we see something like this, like, yes, he's preaching maximum brutality. Yes, he's saying, you know, crazy things publicly about war. This was not his rhetoric before. I don't think it's actually him that's pulling the strings. He seems to be sort of a useful puppet. Here is, I'm going to play your own words. Your prediction that he was going to be the fall guy. So watch, watch you. If you go back before the June 2025 war, as I understand how things went down is that we knew that US intelligence was saying there was no evidence Iran was building a nuclear weapon, but the massage laundered intelligence through the CIA, through John Rackliff claiming that they were. And now we have Rackliff on not on the record, but in this report saying that

10:33he was doubting the Israeli intelligence. And I think that's potentially a good sign that they're that they know that this whole thing has been a disaster and that they're looking for a fall guy. And the fall guy is going to be Pete Hegseth because he was the only one in that report who they said was totally on board with this. Okay. So is it the lack of critical thinking? Is it just the job is worse? So I'm going to wage war. What do we think about the idea of him being the fall guy? Well, first, thanks for having me, Natalie. And it's great to be with Colonel Davis, who I'm a big, big fan of. So this is exciting for me. He's not. But so I'll say, you know, I was referencing, if you remember, that big New York Times report that I think came out in April that detailed how Net Nya who went over there to give Trump this intelligence briefing. And according to that report, Marco Rubio and John Rackliff were warning against this and JD Vance. And it said really the only official who was on board with it with Trump was Pete Hegseth. And the reason why that made me suspect that that he's going to be the potential fall guy was that report was clearly leaked by

11:39the administration. You know, they they wanted to put that out there. Many people inside the administration for whatever reason. But with Thomas Massey going for impeachment, I think is different because this is a critic of the administration. It's not like he's being pushed out at the moment. But you know, I think when it comes to Hegseth, a lot of the things that you guys have already mentioned. But you know, we need accountability for this illegal war with Iran. And I mean, his conduct has just been so disgraceful. You know, during the height of the bombing campaign after it became clear that the US bombed an elementary school and killed all these little kids. He comes out and he says, you know, operating with no quarter, no mercy. And he tries to put this kind of veneer of Christianity on it, which for his own sake, I mean, you know, he needs to stop doing that for his own soul. And as Colonel Davis said, you know, there was some, I think one of the reasons I wasn't really hopeful for Hegseth. I really didn't know what to expect. But my hope was that, you know, he would

12:41never be in this position. If not for Donald Trump. So that to me meant, okay, he's going to do what Trump wants him to do. So hopefully Trump follows through on some of the better things that he was saying. But unfortunately, Trump has just become about as interventionist as possible here in Hegseth this happily going along and kind of leaning into this, this cruelty that this administration kind of puts out with these things like these boat strikes, you know, joking about it. And, you know, it's just his conduct is just completely disgraceful. So I think it would be very good for him to face this accountability. And, you know, hopefully, I know Massey needs a few Republicans to vote on this. I'm hoping he gets that. I'm skeptical that there are going to be Republicans that will go against the administration. But I'm hoping for that. Or maybe some just won't show up for this to go through. Right. Because a trial could potentially be very damning because of all the reasons we've

13:43just said because then we could in fact get answers who ordered to strike on the girl school, who on what the intelligence have you struck these boats, you know, and the only thing about the boats, I feel like the only way to answer for that is chest thumping. Otherwise, you just have to put your tail between your legs during the Obama administration. We bombed weddings and hikers and mothers with their children and people on the street. And it wasn't bragged about, but it wasn't spoken about at least it's being done in the open and we're all furious about it. So, Colonel, what do you think we could learn from a trial? And, you know, is it also possible that there could be some sort of military tribunal as well? Yeah, I think that discovery is going to be one of the big things. And I think Dave may be right that that may be the reason why unless some of these guys on the Republican side find their backbone and their moral courage, which you'll have to dig pretty deep down unfortunately for that because if you get into a trial like this to where you start

14:46calling witnesses and you start getting into opening the books and, you know, who said what, what was this intelligence based on? What was the rationale given for this? Did did anybody say that this was militarily attainable? Did they not need it? And then now the sudden people can't hide in the dark anymore. Now the lights going to shine. They're going to be looking at all kinds of places. There's probably a lot of people that don't want that lot to come in there and they'd be happy to let Hexat take the fall for it, but they don't want anybody else to take a fall for it, especially if it ends up going back up even higher into the other areas of the administration. I don't think that there's militarily any kind of a tribunal that can go on. I think that the only thing you can get at this level is going to be the, it's going to be in any impeachment situation. I may be wrong on that, but my understanding of the UCMJ, I don't think there's, I don't think there's anybody with the standing to charge the Secretary of Defense or Secretary of War as he likes to call himself. So I think this is the only remedy that we have. I guess I thought a court, Marthor Shull,

15:50or something like, you know, like you see in the movies, like there's some kind of accountability because what Thomas Massey continued to repeat is he should have pushed back to the president. He should have said no, he should have been. So maybe can you, Colonel Davis, and then we'll go to you Dave, expand on what he should have been doing all along, not just saying no, but then also making sure civilian casualties were minimized. It maybe play that out because I'm not an expert. Oh, you bet. Yeah. That, that when they were in the planning process, when they were even thinking about doing this in the, you know, in the situation room or in the classified vaults, that's where he needed to say, Mr. President, I get it. You, you want to topple the regime. Here's the problem. We, and then unless you want to form about a one million man army that would take massive casualties, we can't do it because their defenses are built in granite mountains way underneath with just like our alternate command facility, which, which I was in during the, the Operation Racky Freedom in 2003. I was assigned to the Pentagon and we went to what's called

16:56Site R, which is an underground bunker under a certain mountain in this part of the country. In case something had happened, we had split operations so that if anything weird happens somewhere, we'd be able to keep going on. Those facilities are designed to survive nuclear blasts. They have a bunch of them and they're all over the country. So you, he should have said from day one, Mr. President, I could drop every bomb in our inventory, all the jasms, long range cruise missiles, the Tomahawks, JDAM, small diameter bombs, ATACMs, you can throw everything in there, all the bombs that we have and they're not going to blow up a mountain. We just can't do it. So we can blow up anything on the surface and we can penetrate their air defenses that we can do with a lot of skill, but that's not going to bring them to their knees because the country's as big as Western Europe. We don't have that much ammunition. We can't just carpet bomb place. That's what he should have told the president. Instead, it appears, as Dave mentioned, at least the reports are, that he was all enthusiastic of, yeah, we can go ahead and do this. And then once,

17:59even if it was a bad idea, once the warning order had been given, and President said, yeah, this is what we're going to do. Now then, it's incumbent upon him to make sure we follow the rules and the laws of warfare to follow the America's UCMJ, the our own laws of war, that it govern our internal capabilities. And man, you know, the first shot to hit this girl school in an area to where all the evidence was that this school had been there for a long time. And you got to say, man, if your initial targets, ordinarily, when you go in and do something like this, the initial target sets have are very thoroughly vetted. You've gone deep, you got overhead satellite imagery. Maybe you have some persistent drones up to make sure that the target state you want to go after are the targets you think they are, et cetera. It's when you start getting into fourth and fifth rounds and stuff and you're looking for stuff later on, which we got into. And now said, you don't have the ability to do as much research. Now then, the chances of mistakes go up, but there shouldn't have been those kind of mistakes at the beginning. We should have known that that was not

19:03a target to hit. And it appears that, you know, the summary reports claim that it was actually double tab. So I don't know what was going on with that, but it was in competence or something even worse. Right. And so that's where I keep trying to offer him the benefit of the doubt of being an idiot. And again, in my, I'm only met him once or twice. He didn't seem like an idiot, but do you think Dave that maybe he just didn't study inventory? He did campaign saying, we're going to get a military counting. We've never had a balanced, you know, military counting in decades. We're going to get it now. And maybe he just didn't do any bean counting to realize like, we don't have this inventory to withstand a war, we, you know, or did he just think like we can do a drive by shooting like these are, it seems so stupid. Like I could have planned this. Yeah, I mean, it does seem like that on the face of it. Like it's been very short-sighted when it comes to the issues like the military stockpiles and everything. And it is, it's hard to figure out what, you know, exactly his thinking is, but you know, he did seem confident. At least what he was

20:08telling the media, telling the public that, you know, that the war would be over quickly. And that does always seem to be the mistake when the US launches a war is that, you know, they, they predict it'll be, you know, nice and neat and tidy and over quickly. But on the other hand, you know, he's now pushing for a $1.5 trillion military budget, a nearly 50% increase from this year, just kind of obscene levels of military spending that even like the Hawks in Congress are blinking at the number that he's asking for. So it kind of in a way, you know, this depleting these stockpiles does benefit that agenda. Said, you know, we got to really, you know, ramp up all the production. And that's something that, you know, they, they keep talking about now. And President Trump insists to us that everything is great and fine and that, that we don't have to worry about it. But when it comes to, you know, the civilian casualties that we've seen in Iran and in this administration's wars, I think it's, I don't think it's incompetence. It does seem intentional.

21:13Now, I'm not saying that they bombed an elementary school. Intentionally, I, I hope that that is not what happened. But I mean, the fact that they haven't still have not admitted that they were the ones behind this crime. To me, that is very evil. If you blow up a school and kill 120 boys and girls and dozens of teachers, you should admit to your crime and try to rectify it. But this is a pattern that we've seen with this administration starting with the bombing campaign in Yemen. Last year, that started on March 15th and lasted about a year and a half. There was a massive civilian massacres in that bombing campaign. They bombed a fuel port in Yemen and 84 civilians were killed in that one attack. And the statement from the US military, they didn't try to claim it was a military target. They just said, Oh, you know, the Houthis, they get revenue from this, the fuel that comes into this port, which you could say about any government in the world and any fuel port anywhere. And they also bombed a migrant detention facility. People that were being detained by

22:15onsar alawer or the Houthis and 68 African migrants were killed. And on some level, there's probably some incompetence there to bomb that facility. The Saudis bombed the same facility three years earlier and killed a whole bunch of civilians. And the US should have been aware of that. But you know, it's clear that whether or not he's intentionally killing civilians, he doesn't care that they're being killed. And as massacres gets into in his articles of impeachment, he has ignored laws that were passed in order to mitigate civilian casualties and civilian harm. One of the many arguments Masi makes in there for why he should be impeached. You know, it's not just that he's handling the war poorly. It's that he's operating illegally. And you know, he gets into the war powers resolution violations and all things like that. I think it's important for people to understand, you know, it's not just like criticism of his policy. It's actually things that he's doing that are illegal. Right. Colonel, I want to talk to you about the morale inside the military when something like this

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24:23Secretary of War. Hegseth. Now, something that Thomas Massey mentioned on the House floor, Colonel Davis was that he continues to sort of pump up this masculine brutality, maximum lethality. Does that work? Do you think do you think people in the military are like because after September 11th, we did have military members who did want to kill the Taliban. We're pumped up for retribution. Do we have that now? Are people like, oh, okay, sure, let's go kill some Iranians? Yeah, you know, there is a fine line between you want to force that is willing to go forth and do this ugly lethal job. You just got, I mean, you have to go kill people and break things. I mean, that's the inherent in the military. And if you have somebody who's queasy about doing that, that's not necessarily a good thing. But you don't want to fill it so far that you go in the opposite direction and you go to where that's actually a desirable

25:25thing because that's where war crimes start to come into. And when you create an environment that encourages no quarter given, no mercy, that is not compatible with the the high ethos that we trained in. But especially when I was my first combat deployment in desert storm 1991, that was just drilled into us by early discernal McGregor being one of them. He was a major at the time. He was saying, listen, we have to be lethal and powerful and well-trained in what we do. But when it's time to dial it back and when we need to take prisoners, we take prisoners, we treat them according to the Geneva conventions. We treat them professional, you know, all this stuff. We did not say yes, we just live to go kill people and we want to, you know, have no mercy. We do need to have mercy when it's appropriate because that's that's how you win wars and that's how you keep the enemy from wanting to just resist at all cost because that works against your own interest. And my experience when I was in combat, especially my last combat deployment and I retired in 2015

26:30and talking to some people with some recent experience, that's not something that they seek to do. They want to do the job that they need to do, but they want to then come back and they want to live about it. They don't want to just turn into this killing machine and then you're going to come home and then what are you going to do? When you have to reinforce, you get back into society and you've been inculcated now by Secretary of Defense to just kill people and have no mercy. What do you think is going to happen when you get back into civilian life? Does a headset needs to be thinking about that? Right. And I think a lot about this, Dave, his sort of cultural positioning at a time when the Biden administration was viewed as weak. They were very pro-trans in the military. There was, and then he gets in and he's, you know, dapper looking. He knows how to dress for TV and he's masculine and he's in good shape and he's like, I've done it. You can do it too. We're all, you know, guerrillas. Let's go. And that was, this is my assessment of the cultural moment of when he was put in office. And I think that there were there were people who liked that who

27:36felt like, okay, great. And then it's like, oh, but we're bombing all these people that you don't understand why they're that your enemies. And it feels to me like some of that cultural moment has been deflated because there's no purpose to this brutality. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, absolutely. And I think during the Biden administration, you know, I don't think many young men were really motivated to go and sign up to go fight for that administration and the things that they were saying. And a guy like Hegseth could certainly help with with recruitment, get people pumped up again to join the military and end some of, you know, the woke policies. But then he he starts talking about rules of engagement and things like the Geneva Convention and rules of war. I forget some of the exact things he said, but he said, you know, no more politically correct rules of engagement is what he would always say. And, you know, this has turned into what we see now, you know, these these horrific atrocities

28:39being committed by our military. You know, on one level, I respect it more kind of ripping the mast off than the Biden administration, you know, they're helping Israel commit a genocide on one hand and, you know, talking about how important it is for women and combat roles on the other or something. But, you know, but yet it's a shame. And I think this is a big kind of theme of this administration. We had kind of a big moment in our country where there was kind of a rejection of a lot of this progressive stuff. But by kind of failing in the way he has Trump, you know, I think is sending a lot more people back to the other side that that did vote for him. Right. And then, and then if I can just add in there, you know, what Higgs has said in his confirmation hearing, I actually like because he said, we're going to bring back the warrior ethos. And that's something that was that predated him. It was during my time on active duty, where you want a warrior ethos where you're willing to go forward, you're willing to fight, you're willing to pull together. But that has professionalism at its core. And what he

29:43drew more than into, which is no mercy, no quarter, you know, kill, don't worry about the politically correct rules of engagement. No, there needs to be not politically correct, but there needs to be very clear rules of engagement to protect ourselves as well as the mission. And that I think is where he really failed. Right. And so for the first time I think in decades, we see flaunting of unprovoked aggression. We always sort of pretend, right, that, oh, we're hitting back or that's a military target or what have you. And now it is bragging about unprovoked aggression and something you're saying is, yes, there is a time and place to be a masculine protector that belongs in the conversation. Something I thought of when I saw the movie He-Man, the Eldress Elbra character. Did you guys see this He-Man? Forgive me for bringing it up. Okay. So the Eldress Elbra character says, look, we fight to protect the people behind us when war comes. It's not the poets that step up. It's the masculine men. So we're not fighting to fight.

30:48We're fighting to protect the people we love. And I was like, what a great message of masculinity. Say that. But that's not what we've got right now. We have, and so I see what you're saying is that there is a time and place for aggression. But the way that we're presenting it to the world now is not, you know, peace through strength. It's intimidation through strength, which is just making fools of us. Don't you think, Colonel? I do. Yeah. I'm very much so. I mean, the world would respect, I think the world respected the desert storm military and the one that I was born into basically because we came in there at even President Bush. He said, you know, we have a human mandate to kick the Saudi, the Iraqis out of Kuwait. That's it. Not to destroy their country, not to go in and do all this stuff. We pushed them out. We did. We went in there. And I can tell you that I was pushed back up in our unit up into the Tuleel air base area in southern Iraq when Saddam was hesitating signing. And that's when he was using some of his forces to suppress some

31:53of the Shia in the southern part of the country. And everything in us, we were watching it across a certain expanse. And we saw what they were doing. We, everything in us wanted to go help them. But that was beyond our mandate. We weren't allowed to do that, you know, to help the Shia because they were being pummeled by the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Republican guard people. And yet that was the rules of engagement. So we had to abide by that. And that brought that war to an end. And of course they, and we know what happened after that. But the point being that we went in there, we did hard, we did our job. And then we came back. And people respected that. And now then it's like, now, you know, let's, let's go and, and kill everybody in these boats. Let's go and kill everybody in Venezuela and take their oil. Let's go into Cuba next. Let's go grab their stuff. Let's, you see what I'm saying now it's, we're just taking whatever you want. Maybe we're going to take Greenland next and we might even do something with Canada. Or let's go into Canada and Mexico. Now then we look like the bully on the street that nobody respects and

32:55people fear, but the wrong way. Yeah. Now Dave, I don't know if you've seen this report from Dropside News. Also Tucker Carlson posted it on X saying that now the Washington, actually, it's the Washington Post is reporting this sale of $2.8 billion worth of, so it'll be 40,000, 2,000 pound bombs. This sale to Israel. Obviously, it's not really a sale if we're sending them the money to pay for it, but okay. And those have already been dropped at Nazim in Gaza. So what do you think that this is for? How is this, what is this for Iran? Do you think or is this for something else? This is something obviously, you know, our own Department of War, Lebanon, yeah, that our own Department of War is saying is greenlining some kind of project. Didn't you hot and then you know, who just recently say that they're ready to clear out Gaza, they just need Trump to give them the go ahead. Like, yeah, I mean, we're now we're sending

33:5740,000, 2,000 pound bombs. I mean, I don't know. Look at the map of the Middle East, it really could be for anywhere. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, what it comes to Israel, there's a number of possibilities that it could be for their war in Lebanon, their occupation in Syria, though that's something the Trump administration tends to criticize is when they attack the Al-Qaeda government in Syria. But you know, we saw just recently, you know, the US and the so-called Board of Peace announced that Hamas and Gaza agreed to disarm. But Netanyahu, of course, has rejected that deal and Israel continues to bomb Gaza. And one thing that Jared Kushner said that I thought was very concerning and kind of revealing in one of his interviews after he went and met with Netanyahu. And then they agreed basically that Israel would keep bombing Gaza even though the US has announced his deal. Kushner said something like, oh, well, you know, Israel benefits greatly from this. One possibility is that Hamas goes along with it and they give up their weapons and Gaza's demilitarized. And then the other possibility is the whole world sees how difficult,

35:01you know, Hamas refusing to disarm. And then Israel gets more support from us and the world finished the job. Those were the words that Jared Kushner used. So, you know, what does that mean in Gaza? And that somehow the tide will turn and the world will support Israel. That seems so stupid. Yeah, I don't expect any real international support, but I think it could be kind of the thinking with the Trump administration is like, you know, we're gonna, you know, you gotta just try to cool it in Gaza for a while. We're gonna go through the motion here, try to make it seem like there's we're working on a deal. When, you know, if you see the media coverage, you'll see, they'll say, oh, Israel accuses Hamas of violating the ceasefire deal. Hamas accuses Israel. I mean, Hamas is not firing at Israel. Israel faces no threat from Gaza, but they're bombing it every single day. Hamas fulfilled all of its commitments under the October 2025 ceasefire deal. And Israel has

36:01fulfilled none of its commitments, which included ending attacks, not taking more territory, which they've continued to do, you know, launch attacks and take more territory. So, you know, I think a lot of this is kind of about that, manipulating the media into the way that they cover this. And there were some interesting leaks from the Israeli side recently that kind of part of the plan is to not escalate to a point where they do face that international pressure again. Because right now, even though they're attacking Gaza every day, I guess it's not enough for, you know, more of the world to care like it was when it was, you know, full-scale bombing. So, this is all very much, I think, carefully being coordinated between the US and Israel, unfortunately. Which is funny because this week President Trump was asked about providing more arms to Ukraine. And he said, well, we can give them licensing for a less sophisticated version of the Patriot Interceptor. So, like funny part is. So, here's Israel saying, here's our shopping list.

37:07And Trump's like, you got it. Absolutely. And then Zelensky's like, we want some too. And he's like, you get the team-o version. We'll give you just the patents. But you don't get the actual missiles. You know, here's the patent. Go build it yourself. Do whatever you want. Run a long kid. What do you make of this, Colonel? And how does this work in practicality? Because, again, does Israel have $2.8 billion to pay for this? Or is it us paying with our own money? Like, when the kids use their allowance to buy me a gift? What's what, how do you think? Yeah, I honestly don't know the financing and how that works where the money's coming from. I haven't heard that. I'll just say quick, it is paid for by the US. That's what the Washington Post reports said. It's far military financing. So, it's US. It's not, you know, the US is paying for it the whole thing. Okay. All right. Thanks for explaining. Well, that clears that up. I don't know why. I thought it might be any different than that. But okay, if it's been validated. So that just makes it, then we're just giving them these weapons and these ammunition and these

38:09bombs and everything else. And again, there's no real thought put to it. It's clear not something that the American people want. They're very clear about where this is going. What they want to happen and that doesn't, doesn't, doesn't, that's not what you do when you're getting ready to end a conflict. And when you're getting ready for a complete ceasefire or an end of war, it looks like you're just gearing up for the next round. I mean, that looks literally like you're just restocking all your magazines and getting ready to, I don't know, how do you pulverize rubble already? But I mean, that image you were showing a second ago, that's, that's about all that's left. I guess you're going to blow up tents or something. But I mean, it's, it just deepens the morality of it. We should not be giving them any more bombs. We should say, look, you're going to make a piece. You're going to figure out because we're not giving you one more bomb because if you give them another bomb, what do you think they're going to do with it? They're going to use it. Everybody knows that they're going to use it. That's why we're giving it to them. So they can use it, which will move against peace. So don't think that that's going

39:11to lead to any peace anywhere anytime soon. And it's just, it's just, it's just reprehensible. Yeah, it is. Well, gentlemen, thank you for joining me today to discuss this. I really appreciate your analysis. We've been talking to Colonel Davis from the deep dive with Colonel Davis on YouTube and Dave DeCamp from antiwar.com. Always a pleasure to speak with you. Well, thank you for being generous at your time. Thank you. Thanks, Ali. All right. Coming up, we are going to talk with Senator, I'm sorry, representative Masi about these impeachment proceedings that he has introduced. It's a boss move. We're going to say boss move, especially, you know, I'm validated in my assessment that it's a boss move because Mark Levin is calling him a scumbag. So if he hates it, I like it. That's just basically how I how I roll normally. We're also going to talk to Colonel Douglas McGregor soon about his assessment. He says he was surprised that Hegseth was ever confirmed. And this is a long time coming. Won't really change what we're going through, unfortunately, as a country.

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44:25Congressman Massey took this position and I have enormous respect for him and I they got to understand what he wants to do. The problem is that there is so much wrong right now with the Department of Defense, or as we call it at the moment, Department of War and the military establishment, the structure, policies, the things we've been doing, that this is analogous to giving a cancer patient a haircut in a shave. What we really need is a heart transplant, frankly. And that's not what we're going to get. Removing Hegseth will really change nothing. And if you want to focus on some very serious issues, they probably want to focus on Mr. Feinberg, the deputy, who continues to have conflicts of interest based on his fund called cerebrus. It was heavily invested in the support functions that were going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. And they were at support obviously in the Department of Defense and the Defense contracts. The Senator Elizabeth Warren brought it up and she was seconded by some

45:29others, but that was buried. And I think ultimately this is really kind of entertaining. Howard Lutnik was given the task of essentially looking into it. And I'm sure by the time Howard Lutnik was through with his friend, Mr. Feinberg, that he managed to spin in cleaner than mother Teresa. Look, there is just so much wrong right now. That removing Hegseth is going to make any damn difference to what happens. Nothing at all. Right, especially because we do continue to see senior members of the military either leaving or being removed. And so even if the person at the top is removed, the people below him who are willing to stand against the war in Iran, against the aggression in South America are being removed too. So, you know, is there a movement inside the military? Do you think of conscious? Well, we went through this actually a lot of people are unaware of it. We went through something similar at the beginning of the Vietnam war.

46:31And there were some people that were very opposed to our intervention in Vietnam. And one of those was General Shoupe who was common there at the Marine Corps. And Kennedy and McNamara, and then Sussex LBJ and McNamara were very upset because they wanted to get the Marines into the war. And Shoupe was the man of great character and he had won the Medal of Honor on Tarawa. So, you didn't sort of casually remove General Shoupe from his position as common to the Marine Corps. But he said, look, the Marines do not, they're not structured or organized or equipped to fight on land like the Army. The Marines are a light strike force that go ashore for brief periods to seize ports and airfields and points of importance for the Army and the Air Force, but they're not a permanent ground force. That was his public position. But privately, he agreed with MacArthur and Ridgeway and Gamin and others. It said, we would be fools to involve ourselves in a land war on the Asian continent. Eventually, he was replaced by a

47:37general green and they brought general green in and said, general, if you'll take the Marines into Vietnam, we'll give you everything the Army has, artillery tanks, gunships. And he said, got it, I'm with you. And he went back and announced everyone in Marine headquarters, what a wonderful thing this was because now the Marines would have all the equipment the Army does. I guess my point is that there are others like General Shoot. There is no doubt about it. Probably not as highly decorated and not as experienced, but they're minority. And the vast majority are people like General Green. They're people that are very anxious to enlarge and increase their services budgets, their force structures, and so forth. So I don't think there is this great conscience problem. I think there is at lower levels. And there always is. There are always people at lower levels that have doubts and misgivings, which is not a bad thing. But I think in this particular case, they're very serious. And so yes, you'll see that at lower levels, but it's not enough to

48:42affect the whole force by any means. Now, I don't have a lot of faith in Congress to move forward with an impeachment proceeding. But so I was thinking about what would be the other ways to hold somebody accountable for bombing an elementary school for unprovoked killings of fishermen, anything like that. Of course, the president could replace him. We could have these congressional proceedings. But there's no like a few good men court martial because I only just learned this today because the Secretary of War is a civilian position. So even if there were an appetite inside the military to try this, it wouldn't be him. It would be somebody else, right? Somebody else like who bombed that girl school? We could we could figure that out if there was an appetite. Well, that particular incident is beginning to get a lot more attention on the inside that I realized. Oh, yeah. Tell me more about it. People are really, really looking into it because it

49:44just didn't make any sense. And it seems as though it was eminently avoidable. The other thing is that it turns out that these girls were the children of many of the elites in Iran. In other words, the daughters of senior government officials and prominent personalities in Iran. That leads one to wonder why this particular girl school, I mean, if you know that it doesn't make any sense, doesn't make any military sense until you go back to this passion for assassinating the top level of leadership, you know, this decapitation business. So I think there are things going on on the inside. People are asking hard questions whether or not any of this will come out with Congress. It's very much open to debate. Congress is a very large, as you know, organization. It's unwieldy. And it all comes down to committees and committees are staffed by different kinds of people, many of whom are going to have alternate views and different concerns. In other words,

50:46what are my donors going to say about this? And you don't want to be on the wrong side of the issue if you want to survive the Israel First Government. So there may be a reluctance to turn up issues and information that could be damaging to the Israel First Cause. My point is that there are so many things wrong. We've had so much difficulty for so many years. We're now at the end of this long, painful process. And I just don't see how removing one individual, in this case, is P. Hague Seth, who, you know, look, P. Hague Seth was a Fox News television personality. And he was popular and people liked him. And he tried to present himself as a serious military professional, which he wasn't. It isn't. But that was in his interest to do so. And he was sort of postured and picked and prepared for the job that he was given. And he was a spokesperson. I don't know how much personal

51:47influence over things he's got. I have a feeling that the chairman of the joint chiefs and the deputy secretary of defense are both far more influential in any case. Yeah. Did you ever see the Brady Bunch episode where Greg just fits the suit, but they don't actually let him sing. Like that sort of so don't miss that one. But it's a whole saying, right? He just fits the suit. And Greg is really upset that like, oh, they don't really want me for my talent. But it does, this is something I just spoke about with Dave DeCamp and Colonel Davis is that he fit the cultural moment, which was a renaissance to masculinity and a rejection of the Biden administration's perceived weakness and culture, woke culture wars. And he really fit that suit at the time. And so that's why anything else that might have been disturbing because I very much thought when I saw on Tucker Carlson, his speech about rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem was like, why didn't I see

52:50this a year ago? Shouldn't I have seen this back then? But again, the cultural momentum at the time at the beginning of the Trump administration really carried him far, don't you think? Yeah, I think so. I also think that for most of these appointments, the bar is pretty low. Historically, a service secretary in the army of the Navy or the Air Force was treated more or less as a and Aaron boy or Aaron girl by the senior military leaders. Their job was to take the budget that the generals put together, go across and make the argument for the service. And that was about it. Now, the sad part is that if you read the law, go into US title 10, it states very clearly, unambiguously, that for instance, the Secretary of the Army is the commander of the United States Army. The Secretary of the Navy is the commander of the United States Navy, not the chief of naval operations. A lot of people don't know that. And as a result,

53:54many secretaries of service, because I worked for one, they come in and they never even understand their own legal authorities. They're so busy being given fancy jackets and strange little hats and told how great they are by the generals and sort of force fed nonsense. By the time they figure out what's really going on, it's time for a new administration. And that's the other problem. There's just no continuity. There's no real national military strategy there never has been. That's a huge problem. And so when you go in and you ask, well, how did we ever get into Iran? You have to ask the question, well, how did we ever get into Vietnam? Did anybody ask any challenging questions, were there ever a series of assumptions? Carefully examined and underpinned the military operation? The answer is always no. These decisions were political decisions made in isolation from all those other concerns. And believe me, if a four-star stood up and said, Mr. President, with all due respect, I have no confidence in this operation. I think it will go

54:59badly. And I cannot, and with a clear conscience, conduct it, then he can resign without prejudice. He can retire and go his own way. How many people have done that? How many people did that during Vietnam? How many did? I don't know the answer to that. Nobody. Nobody. They waited out General Shoep. They waited out Curtis Lemay, who were two striding opponents of intervention in Vietnam. So they just waited till their terms were up and then appointed Yes Men to replace them. It worked. Well, they had another General Decker who was Chief of Staff of the Army and he was removed after two years. In other words, he was not renewed, that is his contract because of those days. We appointed Chiefs of Staff for only two years now, the appointments last for four, because he said that to anyone who was contemplating a war on the Asian continent with the United States ground forces, it was effectively crazy. And so MacDamer said he's got to go. They got

56:00rid of him. So I mean, this is an old story. We talk about the importance of civilian leadership, but it is important. But you got to be careful with the civilian leaders are that you appoint. And right now, and in the past, certainly over the last 50, 60 years that I've been around, you get there for all sorts of reasons, none of which have anything to do with your really competent understanding of military affairs, let alone anything else naturally. As how much money did you contribute to the president's campaign? Did you roam with the president when you went to college? I mean, these kinds of things are much more important than do you actually know anything about the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, the Force structure and Force Development or anything else? Right. Congressman Massey specifically said many times that the Secretary of War has a disregard for rules of engagement. He said so publicly, saying no more politically correct rules of engagement. He has touted a value of a virtue of maximum lethality. That's

57:05what Colonel Davis said is a war crime is talking about war crimes. We're going to do them. I mean, do you see it differently or do you see it the same? No, I agree. I think what you have to understand is that that perspective is something that one hears particularly on the battlefield when you're fighting. In 1991, on the 26th of February, this would have been around 10 p.m. in the evening, I was introduced to the Iraqi Brigade Commander, this Republican core brigade commander who had commanded the Force to our front that we had destroyed. He had survived the whole thing. His English wasn't bad. He'd gone to Fort Benning. He was trained by us when we were supporting Saddam Hussein. Anyway, one of my soldiers who was standing nearby, he was actually my tank driver. And he was standing there with a Benema 16 and he looked at this man and said, the only reason you're alive is because my commander won't allow me to kill you.

58:09And he was right because as far as he was concerned, everyone in front of his deserve to die. There were a lot of people that felt that way. You go to war and you see your friends wounded or killed or one of your tanks or or Bradley's or something blown up. Your sympathy for the enemy evaporates. Well, the officer exists to step in and prevent that. The officer is expected to impose order where there is none. The officer is expected to ensure that the laws of civilization are not thrown overboard in a fit of emotion. So, Dan, I think, is right about that. Now, I don't know that Mr. Hanks says really understands the implications of what he was saying. I mean, I just don't because if you've been to war and you understand the kind of emotion that can be unleashed, you're much more careful about what you say.

59:09Right. And so, we don't see, well, I don't know because I'm not in the military. But if you read the conversation online, you see the types of things that algorithm shows you. You listen to the mainstream media, then you would think that there is not a military that is you know, bloodthirsty right now. They're tired. They don't want to be there and they specifically don't want to fight for Israel. I don't know if that's true or not because that's just again, what the algorithm is telling me. And so this cheerleading that he's doing for lethality is it to achieve that because they don't have it or is it effective? He might eventually drum it up. What do you think? I think there's a lot of cheerleading that goes on. Soldiers were in Iraq in 2003, 4, 5 and 6 told me and some of them had served with me because I left the army in June of 2004. And they told me that their commanders would say, well, we're here to

1:00:17build liberal democracy and protect these people and help them get their human rights and on blah, blah, blah. Of course, the average soldiers said, are you nuts? These people are different from us. They don't have our values. They don't think like us. Now, what are we doing here? I mean, the average American soldier or marine or Navy corpsman would look around in Iraq or Afghanistan after a day or two and say, what are we doing here? There's nothing here. And these people don't want us here. In other words, stop the nonsense about transforming Muslim Arabs into Anglo-Saxon Democrats. Forget it. It's not going to happen. But senior officers would come down and sort of present that kind of garbage to them because the senior officers wanted to be known back in Washington or by their superiors as how supportive of the war effort they were. Soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines do their duty. Doesn't necessarily mean that they always like it. And it doesn't

1:01:21necessarily mean that they always support it, but they do their duty. And we should be very grateful for that. But I do think it is reasonable to conclude that at least right now, certainly in the Navy and perhaps with the Air Force, I don't know, they may or may not be as moved as the rest of us by all of this. May not be very happy about living for months on end on an aircraft carrier under rather miserable conditions and then see very little action. And when they do see action is violent and short, and then they wonder why they came at all. These are the problems that you have in any war. Look at the end of World War II, everybody seen the movie Patent. And Natalie Patten went around after the war was over to the various divisions in his army and he spoke to them. You did a great job. I'm proud of you. I just wish I could go to fight the Japanese now with you. And as soon as they heard him say that they were going to go fight the Japanese in the Pacific, they rioted.

1:02:27They boot him off the stage. Well, stop and consider. You showed up as a private in June of 1944 on the Beaches of Normandy. And then you marched all the way to the border with Czechoslovakia and you fought the Germans and large numbers of you died or were wounded in combat. And when the war was over, you thanked God that you were still alive. And now this maniac wants to semi-difficed Japanese. Well, we had a moment like that that went viral recently where Secretary Hegshit was in Singapore and said, hey, President Trump is threatening war, but it's not going to be me. It's going to be you dudes. And they were like, I can't believe you just said that. But yes. It's like incredibly stupid. Right. And so, you know, again, I guess I just want to ask, I see that in my algorithm. It's got, you know, 4,000 likes. I'm looking at it right here. Other people see it. Did the military feel that way or is this just what the algorithm is making me think that the

1:03:31military thinks I can never know the difference? Not only I think there's truth in both of them. I think there is widespread among many people in the military know down about it. On the other hand, it's misleading for the reason that I said the good news is that the vast majority of people in uniform show up and do their duty. They perform their duty. That may or may not mean they like it. It may or may not have anything to do with that. And that's sometimes very frustrating for senior officers and for politicians. But we should be grateful that they perform the duty they're asked to perform. But to do what Hague said did, which is just remarkably stupid. You know, I can't explain it except the lack of understanding and maturity. The other thing is that when you talk to a group of soldiers or Marines and you're going to talk about battle, it's best if you leave that to the commander because the commander is going to be with them or should be. And he should be at the point of the spear

1:04:34because he should share the danger. Someone like Hague said this is a secretary of defense and all he does to do is call it and say, you know, I visited you look great. I'm proud of you. I'm confident you'll do a great job. Now before I leave, tell me what can I do for you? That's what he should have done. And they'll tell you what they if you can do it, sir, it would be a lot better if we had X, Y and Z. You know, and the soldiers that I was with would turn right around and say, well, we're short on these parts. And we want to keep these vehicles running so if you could help us get these parts, we'd be really grateful. You know, I mean, another word, that that would have been a better approach, obviously. Right. But I'm not going to have much experience. I'm playing with your lives, guys. Not mine. I'm going to be here. I'm reminded of the of the one he called in all of the military brass for a pep talk. I mean, you remember, do you recall that like towards the beginning where he had that forced meeting? And I was just like, that was at that point right there, I was like, okay, this guy

1:05:36is absolutely clueless. Like why would the generals don't need a pep talk? Well, maybe there was a sense in the administration that these people needed to know who was in charge, perhaps, but the best way to do that is not hurt everyone into a room in Washington. You get on your plane and you fly out there and you see these, these senior officers preferably in private, not in front of the camera. And you say, these are my concerns. One, two, three, before I go through those, tell me, what are your concerns? What are the things that are on your mind? I mean, that's the way you treat senior officers. You don't treat them as though they're members of a platoon inside a company or a battalion that could be in better shape. I mean, if you think somebody's too fat, the way to handle that is to talk to people in the chain of command and say, I think too many of your soldiers or sailors or whatever are overweight. It's probably the best way to do it. You don't stand up and then present yourself as the example of greatness.

1:06:42I hate to be blunt, but I'm sure Hague Seth is in great shape, but there are lots of people that may not look like they're in great shape, but you'd be surprised what they can do. And large numbers of them were generals and colonels in World War II. Right. Yeah, this idea of like, we're going to bring back fitness standards. We're not transitioning people in their genders anymore. Like, people really thought that those were serious moves, but they seem to be platitudes now. You know, other transgender thing. You know, that's very tragic. I mean, this is nonsense. We, you know, the American taxpayer should be focused like a laser on where the money goes. US military establishment does not exist as a welfare facility to facilitate people's transgender operations. Agreed. Yeah. That should, that should happen. And that's all you need to say. And that's I think pretty clear to most people in uniform. And as far as staying in shape is concerned, you can, you can write out a statement from the Secretary of Defense. My expectations of American

1:07:47soldier sailors are airmen and Marines and then list what your expectations are. But again, if you're going to say something to them personally, go see them. Don't drag a bunch of generals into a room and then herring them as though they were, you know, members of a platoon or just on a basic training. Right. So what's your prediction? Oh, who was saying but? No, I'm just saying I don't know. I don't know. I haven't figured out a lot of stuff out of Italy. I don't understand what some people's minds doesn't make sense to me. Well, of course, it doesn't. So now here's the quandary, though. Let's talk about partisan lines because Democrats are going to be forced to vote against him, which is sort of if they, if this in fact proceeds to a vote, then Democrats who support the war, they just pretend that they don't support anything to do with the Trump administration would actually be pushed to go on record about whether or not they

1:08:48support what has happened militarily during the Trump administration, which they do. So what do you think would happen? Well, I read something the other day about from a Casio Cortes and she was very supportive of all the things that we've been doing in defense and foreign policy. Of course. And she turned around at the end of the discussion and said, but everything that's wrong is Donald Trump's fault. It was kind of, it was kind of interesting. So to get to your point, that's what you're going to be dealing with. I, you know, I don't know. I must admit that my experience with people on the hill is not the best. Most of them have a cocktail level of familiarity with the military. Very, very few have any appreciation for what real warfare is about. The few that do are usually men that served at the lowest level in a particular unit for a short period of time. And they have one view and there are many different views of warfare. But on the whole, it's unfortunate that, you know, the future of any particular general officer or secretary is sort of

1:09:56judged the way it's likely to happen on the hill because the hill is not going to be terribly knowledgeable. Unfortunately, there'll be exceptions, but it won't be. And they won't focus on the substance of what Congressman Massey talked about. They will focus exactly as you describe. On, well, is this good for me? Does this help me? Well, will people in my district like this? Will they not, you know, this kind of business? And go back to Al Gore trying to make the decision whether or not to support intervention in Iraq and military action in Iraq. I think this is in 1990. And he had a terrible time because he, people kept running up to him before he had to stand in front of the cameras and announce whether or not he would support it. And finally, these, here's what the polls say back home. And okay, I'm for it. Right. So the unit parties,

1:10:58posturing could in fact be fun to watch, but our expectations of actual seriousness, they're low. I support, I support the energy behind doing this, but the fact that it's contingent on Congress and their mostly idiots is what gives me pause. Well, the other thing is again, there's so much roar from so many years of mismanagement, bad leadership that, as I said, his presence or absence is really not going to make much difference. He just won't. Right. Well, thank you for joining me today. I really appreciate it. It's been a while since I talked to you. So it's good to see you as always. And when are you coming, what's the gain for a presentation or something? I don't know. So yes, last I saw you was the round-poll organization. And no, I didn't make it this year, but neither did I. I couldn't do it either. So okay, we'll give my best to Clayton. Nice to see you. You too. Thanks again. All right. Well, you guys need to catch up on your Brady Bunch. I have

1:12:01not seen the movie Patent. So I guess I'm quoting Weird Pop Culture today from He-Man to Greg Brady. So yeah, nobody knows that that Brady Bunch. He fits the suit. This is, I feel like this is no more appropriate than Pete Hegseth. Johnny Bravo, anybody? Puehler? No. Okay. Well, we are going to talk to Representative Matthew in a second. We'll see if he knows these pop culture references. Before we get there, though, we want to tell you about the absorption company because, hey, everyone's talking about, you know, GLP1's and weight loss, supplements, things like that. But let's talk about another part of the conversation, which is daily support for weight management. Well, this portion of the show is sponsored by the absorption company. They make WLP1. What is that? Well, it's a daily supplement designed to support weight management with ingredients studied for their role in metabolism, craving support, and helps you feel full. So this is a supplement. It's not a substitute or a prescription like a GLP1 medication. The absorption company also focuses on something

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1:14:04specifically if he's ready to go. So should be soon. Okay. I can wait. I can just have a little bit of water. There's another movie quote for you guys today. Just have a little bit of water. I'm having a fun time. Philip, I know the quote, but I can't, I can't place it. I know the quote. What is that from? Oh, got you. She's got her head gear and she can't get the water. Because it's like, so anyway, okay. So where have we been today? In our movie quotes, he man, I can't see the chat. So I would love to see if they know these the Brady bunch patent, a few good men and 16 candles. Did we do a good few good men? I did. Because I, you know, I was thinking like, if Congress is going to drop the ball here, the handle of truth. Yeah. Yeah. Is there. There's not because he's a civilian. We learned that. Okay. Well, if you're batten a thousand on my movie quotes, I really appreciate you being here, even if you're not.

1:15:04Okay. So let's do it. Well, Congressman Thomas Massey has just introduced articles in impeachment against defense secretary or now secretary of war. Pete Hicksett, he accusing him of violating the Constitution and the war powers resolution. He spoke for over an hour, accused him of not pushing back against illegal orders of illegal aggression all over the world in South America as well as in the Middle East. He filed these resolution as privileged, meaning the House must take it up within two legislative days. So Congressman Massey joins us now. Thank you so much for being here. This was a punk rock move. You're really, you know, sticking it to the man. I appreciate it. I applaud the effort. I'm not so, you know, I don't have a ton of faith on the rest of Congress to support you, but tell us why you did this and what you expect to happen. Well, you know, we this could turn into a nuclear war. This is not a game. People are dying. Civilians are dying. Members of the military

1:16:10are giving their lives for this. It's not a declared war. There's not any authorization. Both the, well, the first Gulf War and then the Iraq War and the war in Afghanistan. Those were all authorized by Congress before they happened. We are 180 days almost into this war and there's, it's still unauthorized and the legal scaffolding that they have constructed is so ridiculous to try to justify or to establish a predicate for this that it requires impeachment to stop it. Look, we've passed concurrent resolution in the House and Senate and according to law, they have to withdraw troops right now and they haven't done it. They also, according to the War Powers Resolution of 1973, only have 60 days to do things before they have to get authorization from Congress. So they ridiculously claimed that they stopped the war at 60 days and now every event is a micro war

1:17:12that's unrelated to the other micro war and even Trump doesn't believe that. He promised to end the war after the election. So there's so many things. There are also, in these articles of impeachment, things not just illegal orders that Hegses shouldn't have followed but things Hegses himself initiated and did. Let me give you a couple examples. He degraded the capacity inside of the Department of Defense to minimize civilian casualties. There's a whole department and the infrastructure and computers and people. He's basically trying to wind that down and the consequence of that was predictable. The hit on the schoolgirls that happened where 200 people died in a school on the first day of the Iran War. You'd think on your first day you could get the targets right but he's degraded the ability to do that and then he also went after Senator Mark Kelly. I wouldn't probably vote with Mark Kelly one percent of the time but I am worried when the Secretary of Defense tries to abridge the freedom of speech of a sitting U.S. Senator

1:18:17and veteran of the military. Well what Mark Kelly did specifically was suggest that someone should disregard these orders to provoke an war, an international war. You said in your speech this is right to say and he's being retaliated against and you said many times in your speech this is something that the Secretary of War should have been doing all along which is push back against his orders of unprovoked aggression around the world and now you say in the defense budget he's omitted civilian protection so we don't even know what kind of ruthless killers we are with our tax dollars in our military right now. I'm repeating your words back to you but I'll allow you to yeah he's promoted a culture inside of the defense department where he says oh those rules of engagement and those lawyers they're just getting in the way and you know we need to have maximum lethality and minimum legality or whatever is he tried to make a poem out of it

1:19:22quoted him on the floor I don't remember his poetry but here's the problem with that if you don't follow the norms of war for instance if you kill the wounded if the people who are stranded at sea because you attacked about if you go back and bomb them again when they're no longer engaged in combat instead of trying to rescue or capture them you're inviting that same treatment on our own soldiers in future conflicts or in this conflict in Iran you when you lose the moral high ground that's been established by the Geneva Convention and other you know widely accepted rules of engagement then you invite that on your own troops so that's one of the and then also when you when you go bomb fishing boats instead of interdicting them like the Coast Guard would then you're inviting those you know if there is a real drug trafficker they're not going to subject or even somebody engaged in something else subject themselves to a search from the Coast Guard

1:20:23they're going to shoot assuming that they're going to be bombed that that's the next thing coming so they're putting the legitimate law enforcement agents on the seas at risk when they use military lethality in place of law enforcement now if we were to get impeachment trials against Pete Hegseth what are you hoping to learn because we have an idea of how deplorable the things that we've done overseas are but could we in fact know who what intelligence did you use to bomb children why are we disregarding the rules of engagement and you know war crimes in Gaza and we continue to arm it just give me a wish list of what you'd like to learn from a trial well this would get us some degree of transparency well my way not to sidestep your question but we got some accidental transparency when they included a reporter on their signal chat before they attacked Yemen

1:21:24and those are the kind of things I think we would learn you would see those inside conversations that one got leaked by the reporter where you had this the director of the CIA John Radcliffe saying this was not an imminent threat you had Joe Kent who worked at DNI he was saying this was not an imminent threat you had the vice president himself saying this was not an imminent threat that Yemen didn't consist or constitute an imminent threat and even Pete Hegseth the guy in charge said well you know we could always just pause this thing in Yemen if we want well that's evidence in itself that Pete Hegseth knew this wasn't an imminent threat so what we got in that signal chat that got linked leaked is a glimpse into the things I think you would see in a trial where if evidence could be compelled to be produced and uncovered now while we're talking about what you know what's the

1:22:24fallout of this impeach these eight articles of impeachment that I offered the speaker has to vote within two days we have to have a vote and I think the his parliamentarian maneuver here is going to be to try to make a motion to table it and if he can table it there won't be a debate in the house we won't get to talk about these things and there won't be a vote on the actual substance a lot of times they like to do these motions to table so that you don't vote on the substance but it could backfire there could be people who say you know what I don't really agree with massi I'm probably not going to vote to impeach Pete Hegseth but I want to hear the debate so I'll vote not to table so you know there's a chance we could survive this parliamentary hurdle that he's going to put in that I anticipate the speaker will put in place the other thing you could do is just cancel Congress three hours before this ripens at the 48 hour mark you know 48 hours from when I gave the speech today which is something they've been doing around your steam transparency act

1:23:27is just the ostrich move is put their head in the sand and walk it out instead of going on record and so what do you expect for either of them I guess we can talk about both yeah because these are these are brave bold moves and even if you don't get the support that you need you have to leave this place knowing you tried I mean I I'm giving you a pep talk I guess which is unnecessary because you're doing it but I I assume that that's why you're doing it I'm doing it people say oh you're brave to do this I'm doing it out of fear I'm afraid that in January I'm going to be on my farm you know tending to my cattle and ducks and pigs and peaches and apples and some ideal come up that I didn't try while I was in Congress where I could have stopped a war where I could have saved some you know victims of Epstein if there's something that I could have done that I didn't do and so that's why I'm doing everything I can here in these last few days everything I can think of

1:24:31and I have some good news to share on the Epstein Falls Transparency Act two we only need four Republicans I've got three right now and some other Republicans who are confident will come on board and so now it's just mechanically getting all the Democrats to sign on they none of them have objections to it and it's just getting them down there you can't auto pin this document you can't docu sign it and you can't even take it back to your office and sign it you got to go to the floor so right now there's a line in Congress to sign this thing and when we get to 217 and we need that next Republican I'm confident we've got enough votes and what this bill does if listeners and viewers are saying well why do you need another bill it's because there's still three million files they're still overly redacted and in order to get that undone we need to get in front of a court in front of a judge and so this bill gives a standing to go to court and have a judge take a part

1:25:32the false legal arguments that Todd Blanche is using to withhold documents that he should be producing this bill also lets the attorney general of New Mexico prosecute crimes as that were that happened at Zoro Ranch it gets him access to the federal file so that he can prosecute state crimes that don't have statute of limitations I imagine that you have these movements that are supported by rational Americans which is you know Epstein transparency and maybe we kick out the guy who bomb children and is starting wars around the world and then you run around and people in the house must just run from you because they know and they don't want to they don't want to go on record it shows the average American you know how much how little were represented for our actual desires it is tough although not everybody's running from me something else is happening it's like they're trying to divide up

1:26:36grandma's jewelry at the funeral home before grandma's even in the ground and that's what's happening with me they all want my bills the you know audit the fed my national constitutional carry bill you know the prime act I've got a line of people who want to take my legislation and carry it forward so I feel good about that you know if if I've got bills that people are basically arguing over who gets to introduce them when I leave then I've done some good work here and it won't all end when I leave yeah well that's validating let me show you something else that's validating I'm going to read you a mean tweet from mark levin he says that your efforts to impeach Pete Higgseth makes you a scumbag does that make you feel good because I would be happy to be called a scumbag by mark levin so what he's saying is I love this war don't punish the guy who gave it to me that makes you a scumbag is that validating or does it hurt your feelings it's validating

1:27:42it's like the time that Nancy Pelosi called me a dangerous nuisance if they're you know this supplies almost literally to mark levin dogs don't bark at park cars and the reason he's tweeting about me is I'm up here doing things and there's there's nobody really else for him to attack because they're all in lame duck mode already we're seven weeks from the election the speakers canceled two weeks obsession when we could be doing things and if you know if levin had any credibility he'd be mad at the speaker and vocalizing that because we're squandering a majority right now we there's a very good chance we're going to lose this majority and what's Mike Johnson's response cut working days off of the calendar and get us out of town now he's probably doing that because he got a call from that was above his pay grade that told him not to let Massey have another Epstein victory before the election. Well that is definitely something that

1:28:46most of us still want I mean we're still reeling from the Epstein documents that we did get imagine what would happen next yeah the ones they don't want you to have those are the ones we want to see right yeah I mean excuse you for representing civilians and sex trafficking victims I mean see you brought up on your speech I thought that this was brave you said there's at least 500 houthi fighters that have been killed we have no war on them we don't know who they are at least 200 civilians in our war in Iran we don't know how many we've killed in the Middle East and we just we kind of want to not do that we don't feel threatened by what they're telling us and we just want to stop that but what do you think would happen at the military if the top leader doesn't fact get impeached well I think the next leader would be on his A game hopefully you get a higher caliber individual who follows the law and doesn't use our soldiers as mercenaries to go steal

1:29:46another country's oil for the profit of the oil companies you know that's what we need somebody who respects the troops and respects the rules of engagement and doesn't you know exercise extra judicial killings and by the way if we let this go by whether my impeachment resolution succeeds or not whether any of the article succeed or not this is etched in history for all time there was one person here in congress who stood up and said these things are wrong and we need to say that somebody needs to say it's wrong when it happens because if nobody does then it becomes the precedent if it's uncontested then the next it'll probably be a Democrat you know the next Democrat who gets in charge as secretary of defense or secretary of war or whatever they want to call it secretary of peace if we go down that or well in path eventually it'll be secretary of

1:30:49peace they'll do even worse things they'll just start out where headsets left off right well I think history will also show that you had populist support but not enough camaraderie in representative leadership and so future generations will wonder who did those leaders actually represent and at least there's a trail for that right yeah well you know we talk a lot about stolen elections in a republic there's two places the election can be stolen it's not a direct democracy it can be stolen at the ballot box and then after you elect your representative your representative can get stolen and that's what's happened up here the representative gets bought or intimidated and on the first day of congress on January 3rd at noon they're going to swear in a bunch of new people and that and on that very first day half of them will become zombies they'll hand their voting card to the speaker of the house whoever that is or if we're in the minority they'll give it to the minority leader or the minority whip and your vote basically then is gone that's where

1:31:55your vote gets stolen in a republic well I'm applauding the energy of what you're doing I wish you the best and I just want to let you know that I think you do have my phone number if you have a going out with a bang party I'm okay so yeah I don't want to see it on x and wonder what I'm just kidding I very much like to go if there's somewhere and I you know want to keep cheering you on so thanks for offering your time to talk to me today on the big day well my primary loss party was almost a going out with the bang party but I would it you know I've got so few days left I don't I feel like I can't party until I get out of here but when I get out of here you'll be you'll be on the a list to invite like how I invite myself well yes and put me on the spot on on air so what are we going to do turn you down I'll go to the to the bouncer and play this video and say he said I think this is me all right I usually don't like to do you know political gatherings and things

1:32:57like that but yours different story thanks thanks all right all right I hope we talk again soon good luck to you thanks we'll see say hi to Clayton I will all right you guys well what do you think of that I I'll tell you his his announcement his announcement is blowing up Twitter I mean it's been all over Twitter okay well that yeah I mean I watched it live I do think I'm sorry I said Twitter I meant Reddit I don't even have Twitter that's why I read it is what I met yeah and fill up get on and so what is the sentiment on Reddit I well I mean the hexet is not a very popular person none of none of the stuff this administration is doing is particularly popular on Reddit so right it's yeah I mean he's he like like typically when you see stuff about mass on Reddit it's it's kind of like that dark horse politics where people are it's like a lot of the the left leading stuff is like man I don't want to have to like this guy but I like this guy that's pretty much how yeah he's he's a politician for the people absolutely yeah yeah all right

1:34:00well I'm glad we got to talk to him about it that was exciting it's exciting news so we'll come back and talk more about it tomorrow we didn't really get to talk about Ukraine but it does seem like that war is blowing up pun intended so we'll do that tomorrow will you be here I'll be here we'll talk about Ukraine then thank you so much fill up we'll be here yeah thank you so much for joining us today we really appreciate it remember we have a newsletter you can find it at redacted.inc and it's free we write it every day that this show is live we try and link you to original source material so that you can read things for yourself so just go to redacted.inc and then click newsletter put in your email address and I promise you it's free there's nothing upsold or cross sold upsold cross sold you don't buy anything process anything we don't buy anything but so I'm just kidding that's another movie line I can't stop myself you know that one we're gonna buy anything processed we don't process anything but solar process okay that's from nope okay that's from

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