Interstate Strangler /// Part 1 /// 954

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3:00Yeah, BWW are you in beer run for everything. If you're not following us on Patreon you can do so for free. There's a free tier. So check us out on Patreon and that's enough of the BSN. Alright everybody gather around, grab a chair, grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. This is the story of one of the most unsettling, unsolved, unresolved murder investigations in Indiana and Ohio history. The case of the unidentified killer known as the I-70 Strangler. It is a story that stretches across years, highways, counties, police jurisdictions and state lines.

4:06It involves missing men and boys, bodies left near the interstate, profiles written by the FBI, suspects who seemed to fit part of the pattern but not all of it. And two names that would come to haunt the investigation in different ways. Her bowmeister and Larry Eiler. The killings associated with the I-70 Strangler took place across Indiana and Ohio between 1980 and 1991. During that span at least 12 men and boys were murdered. Their bodies later discovered and places connected to interstate 70. The major east-west highway commonly known as I-70. The exact number of victims remains uncertain. Officially, the case is still unsolved. Over the years, investigators, journalists and true crime researchers have returned again and again to the same question.

5:09Was the I-70 Strangler one man more than one man or someone whose name later became infamous for another series of murders? This is True Crime Garage. One of the most frequently discussed suspects in this case is Herbert Bowmeister. An Indiana businessman who later became connected to the remains discovered at his property known as Fox Hollow Farm in 1996. Those crimes became known as the Fox Hollow Murders. Many have wondered whether Bowmeister may have also been responsible for some of the earlier I-70 deaths.

6:19Though that possibility has never been proven conclusively. But Bowmeister was not the only shadow cast across the case. Another was Larry William Eiler, a convicted serial killer known as the Interstate Killer or the Highway Killer whose murders of young men in Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin, overlapped geographically with parts of the I-70 investigation. And that overlap became one of the most complicated parts of this story. Between 1980 and 1991, young males began disappearing and turning up dead across Indiana and Ohio. Their bodies were often found near Interstate 70 or areas connected to the Highway corridor. The victims were young men, several had been seen in or around gay bars and similar establishments in Indianapolis. Investigators eventually noticed that the killer appeared to meet victims in popular gay bars and nearby locations within quite small area of downtown Indianapolis.

7:27The victims were later found naked or partially clothed. Their bodies were dumped in rivers, streams, ditches, fields or near road sides. Many had been strangled. As the bodies accumulated and the similarities became harder to ignore, Indianapolis police formed a task force in 1982. The purpose was to investigate the growing list of male victims and determine whether their deaths were connected. The investigation intensified after the discovery of Michael Andrew Riley in June of 1983. It's pretty fascinating though that they created a task force because this is a time period where the gay population was not being protected most times by law enforcement. Yeah, and that was something that we saw a bit even with the Herboe Meister case. Yeah, and that was going on a decade later in the mid 90s. Now the general thought here in the exercise that we are hoping to achieve and work out is,

8:32Boe Meister's name has always been tied to this for obvious reasons. Larry Eilers' name has always been tied to this for obvious reasons as well. And then there's still thought out there and should be that maybe some other unknown serial killer was active in this area at this time or responsible for more of these murders than suspected by some. Now Michael Andrew Riley, like several other victims, these men mostly were homosexual males who had visited gay bars. They were killed in Indianapolis between August of 1981 and May of 1983. Now these are the earlier victims that we're going to focus on here because what we're going to see is this investigation will have some twists and turns and some growing room over the course of several years. And unfortunately during that time the body count is rising by 1983 the FBI had joined the investigation FBI profilers reviewed the known information and concluded that the crimes suggested volatile behavior.

9:38But as the investigation developed authorities began to believe that all of the victims might not have been killed by the same person. Eventually investigators concluded that there were likely at least two separate perpetrators operating independently of one another. That's incredibly interesting to me because when you review her bowmeister and you start tearing through his case and we started looking at the victims names the victim count. It's always mentioned that in its simplest form is that well he was killing similar victimology and simply dumping the victims on the side of the road until he purchased his large house with the large property. Now that is too simple of an explanation and you really have to dig in deep here to get into the minutia of this to sort out to me captain it seems likely that he's responsible for some of them.

10:40But there are more things at play here and what's interesting and what I could not what I wanted to share so badly with the listeners was this article this lengthy article that I stumbled upon where it's very early in the investigation right her bowmeister has not been identified as a serial killer yet or potential serial killer Larry Eyler's not been identified as a potential serial killer yet. And yet you have the FBI getting involved in 1983 and profilers examining the victims where they're found the crime scenes and they the experts in task force form are saying we're seeing signs of two separate killers operating independently of one another what the victims are similar but they're different but we've seen another cases like Gilgobie. There's a dumping ground and the victims and the victims in the manner that they died are a little different but also Gilgobie. It's a very small location compared to the mass amount of miles that the I 70 runs.

11:49Yeah and if you're talking about I 70 from Ohio because some of these bodies are found in Ohio many of them in Indiana but there's some suspicion that Ohio's involved here and the state of Illinois as well as we're going to see I can tell you in even in 2026 there are some desolate stretches of road between here and what would be eventually taking you through south west Indiana and into. Illinois there are some stretches there where there's a whole lot of nothing and we're talking about this now 40 years after the fact so what we're going to see here based off of the profiles is when the FBI concludes that there are at least two separate perpetrators here what starts off as the interstate 70 strangler case now becomes two separate list. Okay so they are going to separate some of the victims into one list and say we think this is a should be conducted as a separate investigation it's a different killer and we're going to keep these other names on our list of likely victims of the I 70 strangler also think this investigation is very difficult because like I said I 70 goes for miles and miles and miles connects major cities so I think.

13:15Where it becomes very difficult is is this killer killing locally to them or are they traveling to try to find a victim well according to the FBI get into these profiles here the person responsible for some of the murders was likely a white male between 20 and 30 years old he was believed to work in a low skilled labor type of job have an interest in military paraphernalia. And maintain a physically healthy lifestyle publicly the offender was thought to express homophobic views privately investigators believe he may have been a closeted or latent homosexual who committed the murders out of shame rage or self hatred the other group of victims appear to have been killed by a very different offender this second killer was profiled as a white male around four.

14:15He was already five years old likely overweight financially comfortable he enjoyed and was employed in a high paying job and respected in his community investigators believed he may have been married though emotionally and sexually detached from his wife they theorize that he was attracted to adolescent boys and young men and that his shame fear of exposure of losing his career and reputation may have transformed into hatred and then murder we talked about the discovery of Michael Andrew Riley one of the victims here that became a turning point in the investigation Michael Riley was 22 years old when he disappeared on May 28th 1983 now on that evening he had been at the Vogue theater this is a nightclub in Indianapolis witnesses last saw him with an unfamiliar man. At some point Riley left with that man his new body was discovered on June 5th 1983 in a ditch in Hancock County southeast of Greenfield Indiana and autopsy determined that Riley had been strangled investigators believed the killer likely used a towel or similar piece of fabric the case quickly became public news his case and that's going to expand the public knowledge and awareness.

15:44Of law enforcement saying hey we think we're dealing with the serial offender here a serial killer all wait pump the brakes we think we might be dealing with two of them on these profiles seem pretty different considerably different on June 12th 1983 the Indianapolis star published a Sunday front page article with the headline profiles of eight victims FBI concludes two men responsible for murders the article open with a haunting idea. That every murder leaves a shadow over his crime even when the shadow is vague it can reveal something about the killer but studying the way victims died detectives may not know exactly who they are looking for but they can begin to understand what kind of person the killer might be at that time investigators were examining the unexplained deaths of eight young males in Indianapolis these deaths had occurred since June of night.

16:441980 was several clustered close together in the year before the article was published police were trying to piece together the quote shadow of the killer or killers responsible we talked about the FBI agents and it goes on to say here captain that the FBI agents who reviewed the case based in Quantico Virginia specialized in using crime scene evidence to create psychological profiles after studying several deaths they concluded there were likely to killers now the article ran shorter versions of the two criminal profiles that we just went through and if you you do a little digging there are some lengthier versions of that profile I a little hesitant to deliver the lengthier versions because what I think may have happened and this is something that specially in the seventies and eighties when tasked with putting together one of these criminal profiles one of the first things that the FBI will tell the investigating agency look we're going to deliver this profile to you but keep in mind it stay water on this because it can change if we find more victims if we learn more about what this guy is doing.

18:00And how he's doing it and also how he continues to get away with it well we're going to learn more about this guy we're going to be able to tell you more about this guy yeah the manner of death the background of the victims or where the victims were picked up at I mean it could tell us a lot and so I think when you have one killing you have a blurry small version of this picture that you're trying to paint these paint the search for those two suspects or maybe even more will take police from the rural body recovery sites located in Marion Hamilton Hancock Hendrix and Putnam counties to places frequented by Indianapolis's gay community now folks that have listened to our Fox hollow episodes can already start to see some similarities to her. Boe myster's suspected activities now all eight of these victims in the article that that are listed in this article has some connection to the homosexual community per the article six had died within the previous year of the article being released and four had died within the previous six months detectives

19:17and as regarded all eight cases as homicides although the cause of death had not been determined for three of the victims now what was determined here captain is it three victims were strangled and two this is John Roach and Daniel McNevy those two victims had been stabbed to death the victims ranged in age from 14 all the way up to 27 the youngest victim was Delvoid Lee Baker who was only 14 years old several common details stood out seven of the eight victims were described as likely sex workers or hustlers seven of the eight were known to have frequented gay bars none of the eight showed signs of a struggle that's weird because you have to strangulation deaths stabbed to death and then three that are undetermined because of decomposition decomposition yet none of them across the board all eight show any signs of a struggle and that those are two very different attacks two very different deaths.

20:22Does that lead your mind to anything because to me absolutely are is this person drugging the individuals. So from the way I understand it we're already talking about bars being involved in a lot of these stories okay and it's not it's not uncommon for drugs to be drugs are sort of the next thing like a couple you know depending on your bar it's only a distance of one or two arms lengths away and so what I think we're seeing here is like you're getting to I think there's probably some willingness by the victim of the victim of hey I'm just going to go to the bar and have a good time and maybe I meet somebody maybe I chat somebody up and just have a good night and I'm just you know sipping on some drinks and having a good time so I think there's some willingness there but I we've seen plenty of cases even where the offender is heterosexual where they start loading up their victim with alcohol spiking their drinks or encouraging some drug activity why because it's going to put your victim in a state where it's easier to control them when you decide to flip that switch and I think the other thing that we're probably seeing here as well is one thing that they don't mention in this article that we will later find out is some of these victims did

21:49show signs of having been restrained or tied up so they don't show any signs of a struggle that that's what I don't like that term you shouldn't say no signs of a struggle because if someone's tied up or restrained bound that to me is signs of a struggle no defensive wounds is you didn't have the opportunity to defend yourself even though you may have wanted to in the moment. Well, they might have more information to about like if their hands are bound was the person struggling to get out of the bindings because if they if they're not moving at all and it's just a you know the victims aren't moving at all the victims it and incapacitated but I'm going to bind them up anyways and so if they come to I don't know if they're going to be a person I'm still out of advantage because they can't fight me off. Yeah, and much like releasing a composite sketch to the public releasing a profile is also a bit of risky business here as my boy dusty roads would say risky business.

23:03Part of this that's difficult here is you release the profile for a couple reasons right you want the public to know more about the offender so they may be able to help you identify him. So your task with that but there's also parts of this that are a little more political okay so some of it to is you release the profile or at least parts of it because you want the public to know hey we're on this we understand we've we've the first part is recognizing a problem we've already recognized it we are working it the other thing that you're trying to do is you're sending a message to the killer that look how smart we are we know all this stuff about you we've never met you we've never talked to you we don't know your name but look how many things about your personality and your activities that we got right so you're trying to scare the killer now another one of my favorite sayings is common sense ain't so common so what is missing here there are some obvious things that would be in common sense. So these things that would be included in a profile but are missing from what is ultimately delivered to the public and I love you public but you're not always good at putting everything together not always good at reading between the lines what's missing from the profile would be vehicle information okay they may not have any witnesses to tell them or give them any decent vehicle information but what is one thing that we do know about the killer.

24:27He is using the highways to move his victims to dump his victims to procure his victims he has to have a vehicle the reason that you leave out from your information to the public that some of these bodies some of these victims showed signs of being tied up or restrained you cannot show your hand when you catch this guy you most likely are going to catch him in his vehicle or near his vehicle or on the highway itself. You do not want him to remove certain things from his kill or rape kit because when you do pull him over or when you do find that car you want to find these items on his person or in his possession in that vehicle so you have probably cause to search and make an arrest and detain the man expanding a little bit on what you were saying their captain in some of your suspicions. It is stated in this article that alcohol was found in at least four of the victims it also sounds like toxicology might been might have been a little on the inconclusive side or undetermined side in some of these cases keep in mind we got three that they don't even know the manner of death well some of these drugs don't show up.

25:41Absolutely and something else we should point out here to that while there were statements and these were statements that in the article police will back up by hearing them from people that knew the victims that they were some of them were involved in sex work or hustlers as they were commonly referred to back then. Six of them had no arrest record and the other two victims only had minor infractions so these weren't like these weren't bad guys these were guys that just unfortunately were putting themselves in a very vulnerable location in a very vulnerable state and unbeknownst to them around a very bad and evil man. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you could wake up tomorrow and be better at one thing what would that be and why? Well my list would be long however if I had to focus on one thing for tomorrow it would be to stay focused on the things in front of me.

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32:53All right we are back talking to the air you fill the animals cheers to you chronicle cheers to you captain raise them high power to the people yeah but one of my problems with this profiling of these young men these victims is I think it's complicated or it becomes complicated because it's also it was not an environment that most of these cops or detectives or even FBI profilers would have an understanding of so I think when we're painting this brush with we got all these victims and we're going well maybe maybe they were sex workers maybe they were hustlers and I think that's I think that's a sign of the times I don't know like you said a lot of these victims have no prior arrest or anything so we have no evidence really of this I'm sure as they're talking to individuals that maybe they got

34:02or information from those bars but I think they're painting a little bit of a wide brush with this allegation that they're sex workers or hustlers and they may be stretching the truth a little bit here because one aspect of this that I hope wasn't lost on the agencies involved you got multiple agencies here where because these bodies are spread out and found in different counties. But part of it's the public service nature of it you have a job to of course it's to find this killer right to investigate and solve crimes but you also have the ongoing duty to these communities to protect the citizens of these communities regardless of their sexual preference or what clothes they wear where they go or what have you so I think part of this too is maybe you're stretching the truth just a little bit as kind of a cautionary tale to what you're hoping is not going to be future victims you know maybe maybe stay out of the bars maybe maybe watch your back for a while there's some bad stuff going on here.

35:14Yeah and I think some of it though too could be we have this victim he was taken from this gay bar and then they talked to friends and family and they go well he wasn't gay so then they start going well maybe he wasn't gay but he was just hustling and would do services for money. Yeah so we do see that with some of the victims right and but I argue that yeah they might just have not come out to their community yet true another reoccurring detail here was clothing or the lack thereof two of the victims were found nude one was found partially nude and in the remaining cases clothing was missing from the places where the bodies were found now the article explain that the cases were frustrating. Because much of the evidence seemed contradictory police had linked more than 25 unnatural deaths to the gay community over the previous decade but they were focusing especially on these eight recent cases and they openly stated look there are patterns but there are also differences.

36:25We have seven victims who are Caucasian we have one victim who is African American somewhere strangled somewhere stabbed in three cases experts cannot determine how the victims died now let's talk about one of the victims in particular Delvoid Lee Baker this is one of the victims studied by the FBI he was 14 years old we've already mentioned his name prior the Indianapolis star described him as decent athletic and likable he lived on the 600 block of West. He was the only victim in the West 29th street in Indianapolis his body was found in October of 1982 in a ditch in southeastern Hamilton County he had been strangled now the night before Baker had ridden his bicycle into the downtown area with little to no money at approximately 10 30 p.m. he calls home remember he's only 14 he tells his parents he is going to be late because he's going to go to the movies.

37:25He's been sentenced are wondering how he got enough money to do that according to sources cited in this article Baker had earned money by hustling now we're going to get an early suspect here so 47 year old ex convict who is later identified as Duncan Patterson admitted to paying this boy Baker 20 dollars after taking him to a south side motel. Patterson was eventually cleared of Baker's murder however but he is ultimately charged with child molestation okay so he doesn't deny when they start to piece this together he doesn't deny that he took the boy to a motel he does not deny that he paid the boy for let's say hanging out with him paid him 20 bucks he simply says that's what I did I didn't kill anybody I didn't kill him he says that after after leaving the motel that he drove the boy Baker to the Indianapolis Central Library and he says I you know he got out of my vehicle and I saw him get into another vehicle now this sounds like a very convenient story but the way that this works out is while they're suspicious of this guy and I think they thought they had one of their guys at the time they then find a witness who was in the parking lot and says I saw

38:55he knew Baker he said I saw Baker get out of a van of this description so that would be Patterson's van he says I saw him go up the stairs up the steps to the library entrance the main library entrance where he started talking to a grown man an older man he says this witness again who knows Baker says it appeared to me based off of their conversation or mannerisms that the two may have known each other and he goes that I then solve Baker get into that guy's car and that car drove off and he doesn't know who the script I get car though we get a description of the car from this witness the witness keep in mind is closer to Baker's age this also backs up this first suspects statement that he gave to police even though they're probably weren't believing him at the time and so just to double down on everything and test this Patterson's credibility investigators asked him to take a polygraph examination he agrees and passes the examination and so he is cleared of Baker's murder but charged with and convicted of

40:05child molestation because he says I took this boy this underage boy to the motel another victim was John Roach he's age 21 he lived at 221 East 9th Street in Indianapolis he was last seen around December 20th 1982 though the article described him leaving his downtown apartment at 9 30 a.m. on December 29th 1982 another victim was John Roach aged 21 Roach lived at 221 East 9th Street in Indianapolis he was last seen around December 20th 1982 he was leaving his downtown apartment around 9 30 a.m. and word on the street was that Roach had been planning to spend Christmas with his girlfriend but he was upset because he didn't have money to buy Christmas gifts for her in there well he wanted to his intent that day when he left was he was going to sell blood

41:08at a donor clinic but anybody that's done this before you know that there's a waiting period before you can return and he gets there and they're like look not enough time has passed for you to sell your blood again well this is when you have to go jerk off in a cup friends described him as cheerful and energetic but stated that he had been hustling on the streets or they believed him to have been hustling on the streets for a couple of months and according to those who know him and reported this to police they said he he did it only for the money now his body was found by hunters in a field in Putnam County he have been stabbed 20 to 25 times in the abdomen upper chest and throat Jesus some of these deaths are extremely extremely violent

42:10yeah which is bizarre though right because there's some that law enforcement saying we don't even know really what the cause of death is and then other ones are very brutal but you can go with this idea that there that might be a separate killing but if the victimology is connecting one where we have we don't really know the manner of death and one that is brutal but those seem like they're connected that makes me wonder is this killer when he's searching and when he's hunting at these bars is he getting intoxicated or using some drugs and is there an anger or rage that they're not able to control maybe with some victims they they're able to control or maybe other ones they're they're not Daniel Scott McNevy was 22 years old he lived at 343 South Lyons Avenue in Indianapolis he was described as handsome honest and hardworking he worked temporary

43:13labor jobs that kept him physically strong now he lives with his older brother but the article goes out of the way to say he's capable of taking care of himself but McNevy struggled with alcohol addiction the article described his need for alcohol as something that had had to be satisfied regardless of how much money he had or more importantly didn't have he had been arrested just one week before he was last seen on May 7th 1983 leaving a west side bar with a man who had offered him a ride two days later a farmer in Hendrix County discovered McNevy's body he had been placed in a shallow but visible grave he had been stabbed approximately 30 times so I had to had to do some searching on these shallow graves because this is something that will come up a couple times in the story not every time but sometimes and it appears that they are describing

44:19something as a grave where my mind goes to somebody being buried partially in the earth where it sounds like in a lot of these cases look with some of the cases that may be the truth of it but in a lot of these cases it sounds more like somebody took things like sticks and leaves and debris and dirt and attempted to cover the body and only did haphazardly or half-assed or or what have you before fleeing the scene yeah that makes me wonder though what is the mindset or what drugs is the killer on or not on and is that plain off any role or effect and how they're trying to dispose of the victims yeah with these so what they do is they ultimately will end up

45:19breaking down the profiles adding to them and applying them to specific victims okay so this is additional work that they're doing when FBI experts spend a day at Marion County reviewing the files of several of the victims they were reportedly given only basic factual information so what I what I believe that to mean is that they're given the case file like they weren't nobody took them out to where the victim was recovered the body recovery site they knew how the bodies were found the victims ages races cause of death when known and based on that information in prior FBI studies of similar murders the agent created the profiles that we've already discussed but we're gonna get into it a little deeper here so for one of the victims they'll void Lee Baker's killer the FBI predicted a man around 45 years old overweight and living a

46:25comfortable middle-class life supported by a stable job this is interesting to me because I don't know if if they're coming up with some of this physical description of the would-be killer based off of psychology and what the crimes are telling them or if they're basing this off of an eyewitness because sometimes you will allow that into your profile right if the killer was known to have driven a be driving a blue Ford or sedan you would incorporate that into your profile if a witness and this is the young man that was spotted in the the top of the steps of the library what we don't know is what physical description of the man he was talking to did the witness provide this is the profile that goes on to say that the likely offender was probably married but the

47:28marriage would be more of a public arrangement than a real intimate partnership and be a beard but I have a question for you do you think that the investigators if they're sold on this idea that we have two killers I wonder if that conversations on if they thought the killers were aware of each other that's interesting my guess here is that they were only because of the bodies being reported in the newspapers and on the news and I'm of the belief that the guys that do this type of activity I think that a lot of them can read a story in a news in the news or read a follow-up story in the news and go you know I think those are connected and here's why so I think I think you're right I think the idea that they may have known that there's another one like me out there seeking

48:29similar victims is a likely possibility what's interesting here is the way that they evolved this profile okay so this profile for this specific victim baker the profile described him as fairly intelligent the the criminal but poor at expressing his thoughts agents believe he may have been ashamed of those thoughts because of a sexual longing for children especially young males like baker he may have known he needed help but felt too ashamed to seek it he may have even considered turning himself into police as a way to get help forgive me captain but I have to read between the lines one more time yeah please do he may have considered turning himself into police as a way to get help he may know that he needed help but was too ashamed to seek it that's almost like telling the guy

49:31it's okay yeah at least you know you know you know that you need help if you if you turn yourself in you will get help we will get you help that's almost like an invitation a little veiled and mysterious but maybe I'm reading too much into it but that's what I see no and I wonder and maybe you know this but with the younger victims are they attributing those to just one of the killers it's interesting based off of this article because they do not link each victim to each profile so what they do is they link a couple of the victims to a profile and then they leave a few as you know shrug your shoulders we're not certain here this profile now also goes on to say if he confessed he might claim that he did not intend to kill Baker but that events have gotten out of hand the killer may have realized Baker was old enough to confide in friends and that if

50:36Baker talked the offenders life could be ruined the profile also suggested that since the murder the killer had likely continued having sex with young males and had hidden child pornography somewhere again that's almost back to the invitation to turn yourself in and we will help you how many times have we reviewed an interrogation or police questioning where they always start off with it look everybody makes mistakes we know you didn't intend to kill fillin victims name here things must have just got out of hand right they they they kind of hold your hand and walk you into a confession right and that's almost playing out here in the newspaper printed in the newspaper with this profile and my guess too is if we could interview these FBI agents they probably said all right we have a profile that we've worked up that we are keeping in house and close folders

51:36on our desk here's the one that we want you to print in the paper and we are insistent that you print this now the second profile remember we both agree is very different they attribute this and connect this to saying that this perpetrator is likely responsible for the deaths of John Roach and Daniel McNevy now remember a couple things here these two victims were the victims that were both stabbed very badly very violently so this profile now describes the offender likely to be a white male in his late 20s to early 30s he is a common laborer someone who did not mind getting dirty and may even have embraced physical labor as a proof of toughness and masculinity according to the FBI profile looking tough is important to him because he worried internally about his attraction to other men he may have had a strong muscular upper body from working or working out he likely

52:44preferred the company of other tough men drinking heavily and frequenting redneck bars the profile describe him as being in a kind of homosexual panic he was constantly afraid of others who would suspect he was homosexual at the slightest suggestion he would be ready to defend himself because of that inner conflict he expressed hatred toward homosexuals and killed what he hated most in himself investigators saw that viciousness in the murders of Roach and McNevy both victims have been slashed repeatedly afterward the killer attempted to hide the bodies with leaves and dirt detectives did not treat the profiles of certainty they considered them as an investigative tool but they were eager to solve the cases and they openly said this they said in part to see how closely the real killers would match the profiles and as we said several of these victims were not fully included in the FBI profiles discussed in the Indianapolis star article and that was one two three

53:54four five victims one of which is Maurice Taylor and you want to talk about a complicated investigation and there are things that will expand on how complicated investigation can be but with Maurice Taylor he was actually listed as a John Doe for nearly eight months before he was actually identified well like we've seen with some of these victims they lost connection with their family due to the times but also due to their sexuality now we started it at the top of the show here captain but you know we all know as we said earlier that the i70 strangler investigation eventually will circle back to the name of Herbert Beaumeyster though this would be over a decade after this article ran in the Indianapolis star this is a suspect whose name became infamous after the bodies discovered at Fox Hollow Farm which he owned with his wife and kids it was a big home very big property

54:58in 1996 police were investigating the disappearances and murders of several men as the investigation intensified Beaumeyster's wife became increasingly suspicious eventually she allowed law enforcement to search the family property Fox Hollow Farm their investigators discovered the remains of several male victims and shortly afterward Herbert Beaumeyster fled to Canada and died by suicide in his suicide note he did not address the bones and remains found on his property now by that point Beaumeyster had become the prime suspect in the murders of at least seven men who had been killed between 1993 and 1995 in Indianapolis the remains of those men were later found buried on his property or burned charged remains the number of victims would grow after his death the Fox Hollow Farm case raised a deeply troubling possibility that Beaumeyster may have been responsible not only for the men

55:59found on his property but also for earlier murders associated with the i70 strangler a later lead strengthen public interest in that theory so in February of 1998 a resident of Indianapolis contacted police with a claim that immediately drew attention the woman said that Herbert Beaumeyster was the mysterious man who had been seen and photographed leaving with Michael Andrew Riley from the vogue theater so Michael Andrew Riley being one of the i70 strangler victims now of course by the time that call comes in Beaumeyster had been dead for nearly two years once the 1998 tip came in investigators began looking at him through a broader lens he was eventually named as a prime suspect in the i70 strangler case as well as the prime suspect in

56:59the murders of the victims found on his property according to investigators Beaumeyster had stopped dumping victims bodies in 1991 after he purchased Fox Hollow Farm from that point forward they believed he had a private place where bodies could be hidden and we also talked about how his evolution was expanding and how he was experimenting or believed to have been experimenting with different ways of disposing of the bodies concealing the murders by attempting to destroy or burn the remains and also there's a lot of thought that he was killing them and exploring how long he could keep the body for his own use before disposing of the body on there are several victims that were found and Hamilton County and that's where Fox Hollow Farm was right Hamilton County and so we kind of gave you the 30,000 foot view of the Beaumeyster case to be clear here though

58:06the case against Beaumeyster in connection with the i70 strangler murders has an important weakness no physical evidence has ever linked her Beaumeyster to the i70 strangler victims so the lack of evidence leaves room for doubt in august just last month of this year our show true crime garage released episodes title Fox Hollow Farm part one and part two these are episodes 949 and 950 those episodes focused on the murders suspected to have been committed by her Beaumeyster the ones that were found on his property and then we had a later discussion on off the record and explored the alleged haunting of Fox Hollow Farm really what we were doing there is expanding on what had been learned about Beaumeyster's crimes after his death also we discovered a lot of unanswered questions Fox Hollow Farms is a weird case in the sense of

59:09some people have never heard about it and then other people that have heard about it there's a lot to dive into so when we covered it in a two part series people were the comment boards were lighting up you guys left a lot out and i kept saying oh we'll get back to it and because like we said there's we had the discussion on whether the the farmland is now haunted because of these victims or haunted because of Herbert the pervert and then Herbert's possible connection were years away from when Herbert killed himself but you go we have victims that are showing up in Hamilton County this guy is killing people at his farm in Hamilton County he's probably somebody should be looking into yeah and we had people that reached out to us too that have strong suspicions and i think at least one or two of these individuals i found to be credible who told us

1:00:09we have reason to believe we don't think that they have discovered all of the bodies yet that they could find on Fox Hollow Farm but you made a great statement you said during those episodes but we know when he stopped killing because he killed himself but the problem with Herbert is we don't know when he started absolutely and what we ultimately found during our discussion on off the record about Herbert Boehmyser and what was learned about him after his death was simply we found questions things that should be questioned so there are unanswered questions that remain even years later after his death but there's also questions that remain about the i-70 so much more to dive into follow us down the rabbit hole join us back here in the garage until then

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