INTRODUCING: The Truth About Natalie

0:00Every case starts somewhere, a small town, a missing persons report, a family asking the same questions over and over. But sometimes the story reaches beyond its own community. Its impact extends further, calling for more attention, more conversation, and a wider audience. That's what crime junkie does every Monday. Ashley Flowers and Brett Preywatt cover the cases you can't stop thinking about, from unsolved murders to missing people to investigations that still need answers. Because every new person who hears the story is another chance to uncover the truth. Listen to crime junkie every Monday, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, Darktown Easters. One thing I know from telling these stories is that the search for answers doesn't always end when one answer is found. Sometimes it's only the beginning of a different kind of investigation. That's why I wanted to share this story with you. In July 2020, 27-year-old Natalie Jones disappeared after leaving a fourth of July gathering

1:05in rural Georgia. Nearly three months later, her car was found hidden in the woods, with Natalie dead inside. But instead of bringing her family the closure they had been hoping for, the discovery only deep into the mystery surrounding her death. Hosted by investigative journalist Sean Kip, the truth about Natalie follows the people who refuse to let Natalie's story become just another unsolved case. Through original reporting, exclusive interviews and Natalie's own recordings, the series explores what happened and why her loved ones believe there are still important questions left unanswered. Today, I'm sharing episode one of The Truth About Natalie with you right now. This podcast discusses issues such as drug use, self-harm, sexual abuse, violence and assault. Listener discretion is advised. Particle entertainment.

2:11First, let me say that I'm not mad and nobody. This is not while I'm sharing my story, I'm sharing my story because this is my life, this is my story, this is what I made it out of. This is the truth it happened. I have been ridiculed. This was wrong with the world these days because of the fact people get stuff done to them and then they get ridiculed about it. Why? Why? It has been a long road and God brought me out of this and I know he's with me, I know he has a plan and that is the only reason I'm sharing my stories because I'm hoping

3:14to help somebody along the way to not give up no matter what. Natalie Jones was 27 years old when she died, not long after she recorded those words. The free spirit Natalie was kind, loving and always smiling. Or so it seemed. But behind that smile lived pain hidden from much of the world around her. No one knew the secrets Natalie kept. That her life was a turbulent one filled with years of trauma and abuse. She kept a facade that would eventually crumble away. She made it her mission to help others by sharing those painful experiences publicly. But in a tragic twist of fate Natalie Jones wouldn't live long enough to tell her whole story. A story that some believe may have played a role in her untimely death.

4:17Through journal entries, social media, video and audio recordings, you'll hear Natalie in her own words. She will recount allegations of abuse, grooming and rape as we peer through a deeply candid and heartbreaking lens into her own personal struggles. To answer the question was Natalie's death a tragic and unfortunate accident? Or was it something much darker? Was Natalie killed in the process of publicly sharing the darkest chapters of her life and naming names? That's what I aim to find out. Everyone has a backstory and everyone has secrets. These are Natalie's secrets and this is her story, the one she never had the chance to finish telling. Now I'll attempt to pick up where she left off and find out what really is the truth about

5:18Natalie. I'm Sean Kipe from AudioChuck and Particle Entertainment. This is the truth about Natalie. My name is Sean Kipe. I'm an Atlanta-based podcaster and investigative journalist. For me, Natalie's story all began more than a year ago. That's when Jennifer Peterson contacted me seeking help. She had involved the high profile case of Natalie Jones in 2020. She went missing and was found under very suspicious circumstances and we were fighting to get justice for her.

6:18Before Jennifer Peterson reached out to me, I'd not heard the name Natalie Jones before. I asked her to send me some basic info about the case and what Jennifer shared intrigued me. She became involved in the search for Natalie shortly after she vanished in July of 2020 and has since emerged as one of Natalie's fiercest advocates. Jennifer Believes' foul play was involved in Natalie's death and her dedication to uncovering what happened has been unwavering. She is incredibly well versed in every detail of this case. You'll hear from her often. Over the past few years, she's worked tirelessly with a small, determined team of like-minded advocates for Natalie to piece together the truth. Throughout this time, she would send me frequent updates, theories, interviews, case files, and as they're worked deepened, I couldn't help but find myself drawn in. The case was perplexing and there was no clear explanation for what happened to Natalie Jones. And really that's what this podcast is all about. What really happened to Natalie?

7:19What events transpired in her life that ultimately led to her mysterious death? And is there someone responsible for her death? I do have the entire case file which myself select group of others and we do have a federal agent that will be reviewing the case. I think a lot of people don't realize how powerful Natalie's story is. It is incredibly powerful. Toward the end of 2024, I began to read through all the information I was sent once again, trying to wrap my head around what it all meant, trying to make sense of what happened and determine if a crime had in fact even been committed. What I learned left me with the uneasy feeling that there could be more to Natalie's death than what lay on the surface. On the evening of Saturday, July 4th, 2020, Natalie left a party in Jackson's Gap, Alabama, heading home about an hour and a half away to Corinth, Georgia. The intimate party she attended was a last minute plan, a chance to relax and unwind.

8:24The year leading up to this point had been a rough one for Natalie. She'd struggled to hold a steady job and have a permanent place to call home for her and her two young children, Trent and Isaac, who were both staying with their fathers for the weekend. Recently, Natalie moved back in with her mother Elaine and her roommate. She'd planned to pick up her half-sister Tabitha's two children early the next morning and babysit them while Tabitha was at work. During white jean shorts, a red and white striped shirt, and a pair of black sandals and blazing with sparkly plastic gemstones, she placed her phone and white oakley sunglasses into her bag and tossed it into her car. At some point, just before 11pm central time, she waved goodbye one last time through the windows of her hot pink 2002 Chevy Cavalier and drove into the night. The last text Natalie sent was at 12.52am, saying, I made it. Thanks. Much of what happened next remains a mystery more than six years later.

9:27Natalie Jones disappeared for the July weekend. A light mother to two boys is missing. No contact, no signing since her family is desperately trying to find her. She left Alabama on July 5th, heading for home. But she never made it. She went missing all activity on her social media and bank accounts. The last scene in Jackson's gap, Alabama, in her hot pink shedders. Is that her car? A bright pink 2002 Chevy Cavalier hasn't been spotted. Natalie never returned home that morning. Never showed up to watch Tabitha's kids as planned and wasn't responding to texts or calls. Most concerning was that her phone went straight to voicemail, which it never did. Natalie was the type that was glued to her phone. They knew that something was wrong and I think that her mother really started screaming it out loudly the first. For Natalie's mother, Elaine Gordon, the panic instantly set in. The morning of July 5th, like six o'clock in the morning, I started calling her phone.

10:32I never called her phone there. You know what I'm saying? And it started going straight to voicemail. I called my roommate, Ricky. And I said, go in there, peek a knowledge room and see if she's in there. So he did, he come back, he said no, he says she's not in here. I said go out there and sit for cars out there in the yard. He did, no, it wasn't out there. As a matter of fact, she didn't come home. That's what Ricky said. Elaine had spent the previous night of July 4th at her friend's sharey's house, concerned she went straight home. So I told her, I said you need to get out, you need to get out, you need to take me home right now. I said my daughter's phone is going straight to voicemail and after this never happens. I'd never happen. I'll give she's in the shower that phone is in the bathroom with her, you know, wherever she is there. Elaine called the police shortly after getting home but was told she needed to wait 24 hours before Natalie was officially considered a missing person.

11:33She called the friends she had numbers for and her children's fathers with no luck. Now when had heard from Natalie? She continued to text and call her phone too but each time there was no response and calls continued to go straight to voicemail. On Monday, July 6th nearly 30 hours since Natalie last communicated with anyone, Elaine went to the herd county sheriff's office. It was Monday morning, I was down there, it's 7 o'clock and morning. Silent at Missed Report. The herd county investigator Dan Boswell is the officer who took the initial report and would take the lead on Natalie's case. You know, when you get a missing person report, you're trying to gather as much information as you can about the person, the friends, the family, what's going on in their life at the time. And of course, Elaine and Tabitha, Natalie's sister, they provided information that we would start looking at to try and determine where she might be. And of course, you know, in the very beginning, you're looking at this from an aspect, why

12:41is this person missing? You know, what's going on in their life that created the situation that caused them to be missing? Or even to a point why did the time did Elaine or her sister leave she was missing? Because they know her life better than anybody else. Despite this, Elaine tells me that at first, Lieutenant Boswell seemed to push back a bit or at least offer other possibilities for Natalie's absence, ones which did not sit well with Elaine. She just wanted to get a break, she wanted to get away from her mother and her two boys. She ran away. And I tell this man, let me tell you something, her two boys are her world. I mean, she lives and does everything for her boys. And I said, me, you know, even though we might becker about the grandchildren, it's me, her and her two boys. That's all our little village consists of. As Jennifer Peterson tells me, that even if by some chance Natalie had split town or

13:43needed a break from life for a few days, she was known to do from time to time, she wouldn't just ghost everyone. She had plans on Monday that she would not have missed. Her son, her youngest son, Isaac had a little accident in the pool and had to get a cast on his arm. And he was supposed to go back to the doctor that Monday. And that was when she was supposed to take Isaac to go get, I can't remember if it was just like an appointment or get the cast off or something like that. She would have been back to make that appointment. She loved her sons and poof, she's gone. So for her to just completely go missing, I think that was the first red flag that something was wrong. And this is not something common that Natalie had ever done before. She's never just gone off the grid. I do not have the time, counter space, or emotional bandwidth for a morning supplement routine

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16:52even traveling every possible path they could find from Jackson's gap Alabama where the party was to Natalie's home in Corinth, Georgia. What else could Alene do sitting around and waiting for Natalie to call or show up wasn't an option. Oh, I'm out looking. I've got my sister and a friend of mine. Every ride in five and six, seven hours a day looking for her. And I mean, we row, we row, we row. Everyone's talking, everyone's riding around on their four wheelers or they're out in their cars, they're doing foot searches. The whole county is just crazy. Alene and Natalie's friends were still calling anyone she might have spoken to or that might know where she could be. So it was highly unlikely that she would leave and not tell her mother or her children about her plans. Police began questioning those closest to Natalie, looking for information for a place to start. The first thing police did was pull cell phone records in an attempt to locate Natalie

17:54or at least see who she'd been communicating with. For us, one of the most important resources that assisted us in this investigation were her phone records. Having her phone number was extremely important in determining who she last contacted, who she last text, location information, all those things become extremely important because you know, with technology nowadays, all that information is pretty closely available to you. While investigators worked to pull phone records, Alene provided them with Natalie's movements beginning on July 3rd, the day before she disappeared. I was at my friend's house over at Sherries and she came over and we swam. We grilled out steak. We danced. She left probably about seven o'clock maybe and I said, where are you going? And she said, oh, I'm just going to go home and I said, are you okay?

18:55Yeah, you know, she said, stay here with Sherry and enjoy yourself. I stayed there. I didn't see Natalie on the floor because she tapped his kids and got the daughter's nails done, you know, she watched her kids that day. In Tabitha again is Natalie's half sister. They share the same father or at least that's the consensus. No DNA test has ever confirmed this in Lene has her doubts. Jennifer continues on with Natalie's known movements on July 4th. Natalie was a bit of a social butterfly. She bounced around. She was single and she ended up confirming with an old, I would consider him the love of her life, boyfriend that she had been putting feelers out with. He invited her out to come celebrate the 4th of July with him and his family. Natalie initially was going to come and she wanted to bring her gonga son Isaac. She gave the indication that he didn't want the kids or the kids to come and she said,

20:01sorry, she just kind of blew him off basically. When she picked up Tabitha's kids around noon on the 4th, Natalie confirmed she would go to the party. She took her niece to get her nails done while her nephew waited in the lobby playing games on his phone. She drops the niece and nephew off and she goes back home. She grabs some things and then she heads off into Alabama. Initially, investigators knew nothing of Natalie's movements after she left the party. One would think that as they learned more, the clearer the picture would become. But with Natalie's case, everything learned about her actions that night only brought on more questions. News of Natalie's disappearance hit local media within days. Police asked local TV stations and newspapers to advertise their Bolo for Natalie and her car, that hot pink Chevy.

21:04Surely someone had to have seen that. And while they likely began this investigation just like they would any other, Natalie's family didn't feel enough was being done initially. I know that there was a bit of back and forth between the family and law enforcement. They could not get her county to organize a ground search, so they organized one themselves. And I think there was a bit of frustration from Natalie's friends and family. They were saying that she didn't just run away. She wasn't trying to get away. This isn't like her. And I think that they were just trying to tackle everything as best that they could. Early on because those early hours are so crucial. Several weeks after Natalie was last seen or heard from, and with few leads, social media began to do its thing. True crime buffs across the country picked up on Natalie's story and shared it on their platforms, creating a buzz.

22:09People took to podcasts, YouTube and TikTok to report on what was known about Natalie at the time, which really wasn't much. She left the party and she had been seen since. They all seemed to focus on the fact that no one had seen her hot pink car. It became a calling card for Natalie. I've seen some crazy cars in various states. I've lived in and hot pink is pretty bold. That's a bold decision. And it's rare, but on top of that, how does someone vanish in a hot pink car? That was really the biggest. The hot pink car is the focal point for me. By mid-summer, the story had gone national. Still, heard county officials were tight-lipped on the case, making no official statements, which caused citizens and even local media to chime in and wonder, why aren't they saying anything? Even if to simply dispel rumors as interest in the case grew. It became worldwide headlines at that point. You know, Natalie's case started off with local headlines and then it rolled up into

23:11regional headlines, making Atlanta news coverage and whatnot. And then it shot all the way up to Daily Mail, which is worldwide, Dr. Phil, people, Nancy Grace. And at that point, it's pretty standard in my opinion that oppressed conferences is owed to the public and that never happens. Coming back, Lieutenant Boswell agrees that it was a mistake to keep the media in the dark the way they did. It only fueled speculation and fear in an already tense and emotional situation. During an investigation, you got to be careful what the information you release. Because if there is somebody that's possibly you're going to, you may look at, you don't want to release that information. And that's standard on any investigation, right? The one thing I would have done differently is, I mean, while we did get out on the news to try and put out there that she's missing and a description of a car and her and as much

24:11of that information as we could, I think what I would do differently now is I would get ahead of the social media flurry of the information that came in that was so inaccurate and misleading. And put it out to the public first off that we are, that we're working the case, right? And just keep them updated as much as we can on that information. Then Elaine and other members of Natalie's family started receiving odd and increasingly disturbing messages like the one that Natalie's sister, Jessica Bishop, received. I just got a text message from some of the numbers that I don't know that says that they have Natalie and she's sick and that there's a ransom of $7,000. Coupled with silence from investigators, rumors spread throughout the community like wildfire. The theories were just all over the place during those days, you know, law enforcement approached

25:12her to be a witness and they put her in protective custody. They put her through a wood chipper at this landscaping company and then they poured acid on what was left to dissolve it. Natalie was in the back of a truck in a cooler, she was frozen. Natalie was in witness protection program was being held in a cabin that she was being sex trafficked. There were unconfirmed sightings of Natalie or her car. Several attempts at extortion, one from as far away as California. Even some who said Natalie was murdered and they knew what happened to her but provided no real evidence. That she was tied up, you know, and being mistreated. I even received a phone call saying that they come up with $5,000, you know, and I could get my baby back. And I said, okay, I still let me speak to her, you know, let me hear her voice.

26:15Let her say something, you know, and I mean, I've done made arrangements. I was just to put the towel up from a vehicle that I done just got, you know, I mean, I was physically come up with that money and people that showed me a picture or let me hear her voice. And then he went all the way down to $100, time I hit him on his baby, a baby doll for Christmas. Much of what circulated online was dismissed as baseless gossip and rumor. By August, police had utilized every available tool to track Natalie's movements, but progress was agonizingly slow. They scanned footage from traffic cameras and analyzed cell phone data from the morning of July 4th, hoping for even the faintest trace of Natalie. Investigators checked her bank activity, finding no transactions or cash withdrawals since July 2nd. Investigators combed the area and aerial searches. An officer followed up on every lead or possible sighting, yet every effort seemed to lead

27:16to another dead end. As the week stretched on, the hopes surrounding the search began to slip away. Elaine Gordon found herself consumed with questions, was her daughter still out there, which she ever seen Natalie again. And looming over everyone involved in the case was an unanswered question, where could Natalie Jones be? And it's so perplexing to think about how does someone fall off the face of the Earth? Kids don't struggle on a schedule. Sometimes they need extra help with something that just isn't clicking and other times they're ready to move ahead faster. That's why I, like IXL, it's an award-winning online learning platform for pre-K through 12th grade that adapts to each child's level and pace, whether they're building confidence in a tough subject, reinforcing what they're learning in school, or looking for more of a challenge, IXL meets them where they are, and it's trusted on a huge scale.

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29:24deceive, lie, and sometimes get away with it. To elaborate cons to flat out imposters, chameleon pieces together the identities that were built and ultimately broken. To uncover what's real and what's not, listen to chameleon wherever you get your podcasts. The world of the summer of 2020 is the world grappled with COVID, the search for Natalie Jones intensified. Investigators now working with assistance from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation uncovered a series of puzzling clues. They learned from her family that Natalie had applied for a passport and planned a trip to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, allegedly with a scheduled flight on July 8th, so they wondered could she have changed her flight and left early to get away. She deployed for her passport weeks earlier, but it wasn't issued until July 15th, a

30:25week after she disappeared. The GBI inquiry confirmed that Natalie had not left the country, at least not legally. Following multiple leads, authorities searched properties across the county, responding to reports that Natalie had been tied up in a remote cabin, drugged, or even killed. Each location turned up empty, no sign of Natalie, her car, or evidence that she'd been there. That's when all sorts of things started just coming out about, as she was being sex trafficked in some white spurred, we went there and we went to all these houses and nothing was going on at these houses. We spoke to people. There was some, supposedly, some cabin in white spurred where they were going to, and this information was just coming in from various individuals in that circle that people who knew Natalie or Elaine at the time. We got the drug task force involved, we got the GBI involved, we went door to door and

31:30knocked on all these doors, all these people asking questions that just neighbors and everything came up with zero. So we were just, we were inundated with a whole bunch of leads that ultimately led to nowhere. On August 11th, Natalie's sister, Tabitha, was interviewed by investigators. She revealed shocking details. Just days before Natalie's disappearance, her recent ex-boyfriend, Jonathan, had shown up at Tabitha's house unannounced while Natalie was visiting. Jennifer elaborates further. We had initially heard that Jonathan came to Tabitha's house and Natalie was there and they were hanging out on the front porch. He came over within one to three days before she vanished and just pulled up, like, knowing that she was there. He allegedly was making statements about wanting to get back together with her. It was just this kind of macho possessive we're going to be together.

32:32And Natalie had made a statement somewhere along the lines of, you're not going to get away with everything that you're getting away with, like, you're going down for this. Jonathan had been out on bond since April of 2020, stemming from charges for trafficking meth and had to wear a court ordered ankle monitor. Shortly after Natalie went missing, he was arrested again, this time, for influencing a witness, breaking his bond terms and was sent back to jail. Then in late September, investigators heard the most disparaging news to date. A cellmate of Jonathan's came forward to police with a startling claim. There was a inmate that came forward who was incarcerated with Jonathan in August, in late August of 2020, that gave testimony that Jonathan had told him that he, being Jonathan and Natalie were together in Alabama, and there were two other guys present. One of them wanted to have sex with Natalie and asked Jonathan for permission to have sex

33:36with her. He agreed to it. And there was, you know, some choking involved, which led to Natalie's demise and then she was chopped up. According to the GBI file, the inmate then told police that Jonathan said after Natalie was dead and her body dismembered, they disposed of the remains in a salt mine somewhere in Alabama. But even his cellmate was initially skeptical of Jonathan's story. Why would he confess this to someone he'd only just met? Still, the confession was taken seriously, because what if? You can't always discount them because you just never know. You know, addicts speak truth. People in jail cells will speak truth. You can't discredit them. By early October of 2020, Natalie's case had been shared around the globe and had created

34:39a buzz on social media. It eventually attracted the attention of adventures with purpose, a crowdfunded team of volunteer divers who traversed the country looking for missing persons in lakes and rivers. They arrived in Hurd County, Georgia around October 4 after hearing of Natalie's case from subscribers on their YouTube page. Adventures with purpose showed up largely unannounced and began searching bodies of water in the area, as that was another theory of the locals that Natalie's car somehow ended up in a lake or pond in Georgia. And just as adventures with purpose got to work on October 6, news broke that no one saw coming. While Samuel Ginn and his partners with adventures with purpose were searching various ponds in the area for Natalie, they got word that her pink car had been found. Breaking news in the search for a missing Georgia mother, Natalie Jones. Tonight a somber confirmation from the GBI investigators confirmed that her car has been

35:40located and sadly the body of a young woman was found inside. The GBI tells us the car belongs to Natalie Jones, but the GBI has not confirmed if the body inside is hers. The car was located near the intersection of Roosterville Road and Welcome Road in Rupertville, Georgia. The nephew of the landowner was hired to bush hog the property and stumbled upon it, parked along the tree line of the property and partially covered with overgrown weeds. The car's bright pink color was unmistakable, a stark contrast to the shades of green and brown surrounding it. There was no question. The unthinkable had happened. This was the car they'd been searching for over the past 93 days. In the driver's seat were the remains of a woman and although forensic testing needed to confirm the identity of the deceased, to most it was obvious, the remains were those

36:46of 27-year-old Natalie Jones. The search was over. Elaine tells me what she remembers of hearing is soul-crushing news. At this time I had put my mattress on the living room floor, sleeping in the living room, you know, by the door. I just didn't want to go in my room. I was so tired. I couldn't hold my eyes open. I was just so worn out. Manly physically, the whole nine yards and all the horrible thoughts was in my head about my baby. Somebody got us, somebody holding us, somebody meant to her. My sister, she seemed, her county, come down to my house and she said, oh, Lord, so she jumped up and she ran down there and she told him she said, stop. Let me go in here and be with her. I know what y'all here for.

37:47Like, hey man, and this woman, she squatted down and she said, uh, Miss Gordon, we found Natalie's car and she's deceased. Whoa. I jumped up and I saw her scream at the end of the time, like, y'all, a bunch of failures, y'all didn't do nothing. I told him to get out of my house. I said, I tell you, get the F out of my house. Right now. I probably was gonna double in my eye. I went in and I punched my kitchen wall. I just, I went berserk and so nobody take me down there at the scene. Elaine's worst fear had seemingly just become a reality. She did eventually collect herself enough to go to where Natalie's car was found. Tabitha had stopped by to see if she heard the news yet and gave her a ride.

38:48By the time she arrived, people had already begun congregating down the road from Natalie's car because the hosts of adventures with purpose were already live streaming on YouTube. Investigators pushed everyone back and cordoned off the area, treating it as a potential crime scene. Not even Elaine was allowed to see Natalie's body. When I got down there, I started like, go up to the thing and they told me to stop. You can't go past this thing. One of the depties had his foot popped up on the front of a car and there was a bunch of ponies' cars up there. Elaine set bewildered in the passenger seat of Tabitha's car, her shoulders sagging from the weight of learning of her daughter's death. Unable to fully process what was happening, all she could do was cry between long periods of expressionless stairs. All anyone else could do was try to console her. After giving statements to local news, it was nothing left for her to do, but go home,

39:52grieve, and wait for answers. I was in shock. You know, I was in like, I was like in total shock. I couldn't believe it. I mean, it was like, how could somebody do this to her? I just screamed. I screamed so long. So many times. I couldn't blame my baby when coming home. I see with my world. She was my rock. She kept me in line, young Sam, where I was just a big screw up. Now it was time for police to pick up the pieces and figure out what happened. How did Natalie end up dead in her car? Why was she parked in this overgrown field in a rural part of the county? Why'd she send a text message saying she made it home when, clearly, she never did? And the biggest question of all was Natalie's death a result of some tragic accident or

40:57was it murder? For answers, investigators needed to comb through the evidence. And what was found did anything but provide a clear picture of how Natalie Jones's life ended and instead only sparked more fear, doubt, and speculation. She was slumped down in the seat. She was barefoot. She's missing her belt that she was wearing that day. There were strands of hair in the door jam. She was missing teeth, multiple teeth. They're not in the car. They're not in her clothes. They're not on the ground when you open the door that didn't fall out. You know, where are those teeth? Is that the way you want to find somebody? That's not. I can still see it in my mind right now. The thing of nightmares that I will never be able to shake ever again like it changed me. There's some things that just don't add up. It doesn't look like a natural cause of death. I totally believe she was murdered.

41:58The truth about Natalie is an audio chuck original produced by Particle Entertainment. I wrote and produced the series. Executive producer is Ashley Flowers. Additional research provided by Community Advocates for Natalie Jones. Original music written and performed by Jackson Eppley. And a special thanks to Elaine Gordon and her family. If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, help is available at the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 800-799-7233. You can find me on social media at Sean Kipe official or at SeanKipe.com.

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