Is the Coalition joining the super wars?

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1:00And calls for a Royal Commission into domestic violence have re-emerged after a spate of alleged domestic violence deaths over the weekend. So how are governments responding? Welcome to Politics Now. I'm Claire Armstrong, filling in for PK. And I'm Raf Epstein, host of Mornings at ABC Radio in Melbourne. Raf, welcome. We'll come to the latest on the Prime Ministers trip to the UN in America shortly. But first, Liberal Front Bencher Andrew Bragg is back at it again today, floating some big ideas on superannuation comes after his big day out at the National Press Club just last month. And he's back suggesting some alternate uses for people's superannuation. This is their retirement savings. And we heard from him last month talking about their needing to be a balance of maybe accessing that money for something like housing.

2:01He talked about maybe using it to be able to get a greater size of loan, get a deposit together to get into the housing market, essentially arguing that that is as much of investment in your retirement as having an actual income in retirement would be. This morning he's giving this speech pretty much re-heating a lot of this, talking about wanting to have a debate about reorienting some of the super savings to being used earlier in life. And he was very quick to give two caveats, one being that these were not coalition policies, and that he was sort of basing them off some previous Senate report, so giving himself a little bit of leeway within his freelancing. He says he wants a sophisticated debate about how retirement savings are used, but Raf, how seriously should we be taking Bragg's big day out 2.0? I'm not sure if we should look at it's hard to take it all seriously because the coalition's in such a funk. I actually think they're quite confident that they feel like they are developing policy.

3:05The other thing to say of course is we all love Andrew Bragg, journalist love Andrew Bragg, because he's willing to say the quiet parts out loud. I do think it's worth taking him seriously in as much as we should aim to have a sophisticated policy about superannuation. I'm not someone who thinks it should never change, it's four and a half trillion dollars worth of savings. It's one of the most successful piles of money in the world, we've got lots of things we can say that are great about it. Number one is it's costing our economy less and less to pay older people the pension, because older people are getting their money from superannuation. So I think that's, it's worth saying it's been working really well, it's also worth saying it's this huge pile of money, and maybe we should start thinking about it. What I would say about how seriously we take Andrew Bragg is this, one nation's idea on superannuation is something that the Liberal Party have flirted with many times. It's long been thought that Josh Friedenberg wanted to do what Pauline Hanson has announced recently, the idea that you not do Andrew Bragg's idea, which is take the lump sum of super and put it into a house, but take some of your weekly payments that would go into super and use that to fund a mortgage.

4:19Ever since Josh Friedenberg and Scott Morrison lost in 22, people have said, look, they took that idea to Treasury, they were looking at it, they ran away from that fight. I don't know if I'm too old for you, Claire, but they used to say never pick a fight with people who purchase newsprint by the barrel, which was that attitude that politicians shouldn't take on media organizations. One of the new outages in Australian politics should be don't take on the super industry, like it's huge, they've got a really, really loud voice. They're allowed to have a loud voice because they protect all of our money all of the time. I think Scott Morrison and Josh Friedenberg ran away from that battle in 22. We know as well that Susan Lee looked at the one nation idea with the Parliamentary Budget Office, which has got him to price the, again, this is your fortnightly payment going into super could have helped with your mortgage. So I think it's worth it's worth having the debate. Andrew Bragg is right to say sophisticated debate is a good ambition. I think there are hard questions that need to be asked of Andrew Bragg. How will it work? Will it work? If you give someone a lump sum like, okay, Claire, here's your lump sum.

5:23Day one, you take the lump sum out of your super and sticking your mortgage. What happens if on day two, you take the money out of the mortgage and gone by a new BMW because you like the look of the new electric BMW like I, so how does it work? I think it's worth asking. But me personally not just because it attracts headlines, I reckon we should take them seriously and we should seriously consider looking at superannuation. Do you think he can achieve a sophisticated debate? I do not. I had to force for effect there. Honestly, no, I do not because you know what this policy, all of these issues, these haven't gone anywhere near shadow cabinet, it hasn't gone anywhere near shadow ERC. So the discussions are certainly happening. But I would wager they're happening between the likes of maybe Andrew Bragg and he's sort of sometimes co conspirator, but at a distance shadow treasure a Tim Wilson sometimes. Sometimes I think that's right. No, that's fair. I feel a little bit like Bragg's walking so Tim can run and he brags sort of the battering ram through some of these taboos, as you say, I do think it is a big swing to go after the super industry now from a from a major party politics perspective.

6:39They've got a lot of resources politically to come out. You know, obviously, the industry superfund incredibly aligned with labor, but there actually isn't unity in the coalition party room on this issue. There are people in the right of the party who actually believe that this system, as imperfect as it may be, and I don't think they're to pose some changes, is in a lot of ways kind of a classic little L liberal system of individual responsibility. Building up your personal world, having the ability, if you choose to control how you invest and sending yourself up for retirement in a way that isn't overly reliant on the state. And I've been speaking to some people in the coalition party room as these debates have fled up often sparked by Andrew Bragg or someone else giving this kind of comment or making a speech who say that maybe the time is actually come to sort of look at the super annual Asian system as a more mature. Institution in our politics much like Medicare where you won't see a coalition in opposition or government coming after that particular institution that maybe the public has moved with the times and see super as something that is a bit of a sacred cow.

7:56And that may mean that it ends up being not as efficient and working in the way that it should. I mean, there was a lot of talk at the time about whether raising the contributions to 12% would ultimately just result in slower or lower wage growth. And in some industries, I think you could say it's probably been born out in the last few years. But in terms of whether we can end up on a mature debate about this, I don't think there's one that can end up even if it even if it happens inside the coalition party room as soon as it gets out. I mean, we saw Jim Thomas the treasure out this morning. And then we saw Jim Reaper style they're coming for your super they hate super they always have they always will there is no room for nuance in a sort of labor V coalition debate on super maybe to the detriment of that system as you say, maybe we should be interrogating it a little bit more. Do you think that labor have this upper hand or is it more that it's just an easy scare campaign to run while we still don't know what's actually being proposed by the coalition.

9:00I know that we're going labor has the upper hand on the super debate the same way that one nation sort of got the upper hand on migration. I think if you ask any voter in the street, who would you trust with your super the most that say labor just like a lot of voters would say they'd trust one nation on migration. So I think that that means it's dangerous territory in some ways for the liberal party. I think it's I think it's we're in an interesting moment though in the attention economy given up given how much attention one nation can soak up and can command. The people in the coalition I've been speaking to like I mentioned they feel like they're actually developing some good policies and I'm going to talk about their potential exos cut on fuel in a moment. They feel like they've got good policies that they can't get air to talk about. I think quite a few of them do feel that people like Andrew Bragg agitating you're right in some senses he sort of creates more wiggle room for the shadow treasure Tim Wilson. I think the overall political take from this is they feel like they're shaking the policy tin and there's some good policy coming out.

10:06Whether or not it's getting attention whether or not it's a vote winner against labor. I think that's a real you know that's a real risk agitating on super but I do think they feel under Angus Taylor. I mean he's a bit dull and he's a bit drab a sort of words they use about him but he's kind of overseeing some good ammunition that they will need you know in over a years time when there's a federal election. Whether or not the stuff Andrew Bragg is talking about today is going to be the precise ammunition they use in the battle that is an election I'm not sure but you know they sort of feel like maybe they're sort of blowing off the cobwebs in some ways on the policy making machine. If you see it as a symbol of that maybe that's more instructive than where they might end up on super I think. That sounds about right to me the only issue potentially facing them now that they're in seemingly a three corner race with one nation and labor is that if all these policy trees fall in a forest and no one he is about them would they've been better off spending their time on absolutely anything else exactly but as you said there is actually some lockdown coalition policy to talk about.

11:18So the coalition has vowed to halve the fuel excise when global oil prices hit a hundred US dollars a barrel over two weeks it's the going to be a so called fuel price shield that would end after three months the coalition says it would be fully offset by their cuts to the tobacco excise just as an aside a slice of revenue they can only spend once so let's see how many times other policies coming in the next 18 months are justified by being offset by that for that anyway. This fuel prices obviously a huge issue surging again war in the Middle East continuing particularly in light of over last weekend a pipeline used to move about 4% of the world's oil suppliers across Saudi Arabia has now been damaged too so if you add that to the straight of for moves between the Saudi pipeline what we already have seen going on in the straight of for moves and the efforts of the Houthis to block oil coming from the Red Sea. That is effectively about 30% of the words oil all tied up in the Middle East at the moment labor so far ruling out reinstating a fuel excise cut but energy minister Chris Bowen is off to Saudi Arabia and India today to speak about the flow of oil.

12:31My male is on that Saudi trip in particular obviously one of those countries where it pays to go in person show your respect have the conversations we don't buy a lot of oil what we really don't buy any oil directly from the Saudis but Asia does and we obviously get most of our refined oil through the Asian markets so that's sort of this lay of the land but this is a bit of a challenge for the government and clearly one that the coalition fuel they moved early on to begin with. By pronouncing that there should be a fuel excise cut just before labor actually did it now going again is this going to be a sensitive one for the government have to fight back on do you think. Oh I've got no doubt it's sensitive I think I like the way you paint out the backdrop I always like to think about the war in the Middle East this way for most of this year the issue was on the eastern side of Saudi Arabia right in the Persian Gulf now it's on both sides it's on the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea because of what's going on in the end if you just think about Saudi Arabia as a peninsula that sort of drops down running north south on the western side is the red sea on the eastern side is the Persian Gulf we've got problems on both sides now that's all you need to know about the military escalation and the amount of fuel coming out of the Middle East it's much worse and people are more worried than they were earlier on in the conflict so it's a huge problem to get to the politics of it.

13:55The freeway I drive a lot which is the one it's actually the road Melbourne to Adelaide but it goes to places like Ballarat there's only just taken down the signs from the last federal election when Peter Dutton was promising a 25 cent fuel cut excise cut so I know the coalition feels like this is fertile political ground and they always feel like surely if we say people are going to get cheaper petrol and cheaper diesel little work I understand why they say that I was impacting them yesterday which is kind of a big deal. Yesterday which is kind of ground zero for the one nation vote in the Victorian election at the end of the year diesel was like 260 to 70 unleaded was like you know $2.35 so I get it right it's fertile territory I'm just I'm not convinced the coalition's policy is well thought through your point was well made about the tobacco change like everyone says they're going to get money out of however they're taxing tobacco no one gets as much money as they said they were so I'm not convinced number one that the coalition is going to be a lot more expensive. So I think we can do it that way number two you're locking yourself in to a really expensive policy that the hundred US dollar mark for Brent crude which is to be honest something I look at all of the time because it's a big indicator of our sort of politics sort of you know a few months later I get linking it to that but what did it cost the federal government last I was like to and I have billion you you were mentioning the other day like to enough billions a lot of money so to lock yourself into losing that money might sound good to voters I guess it's got the right to do that.

15:24So it's a virtue it follows the Tony Abbott rule of being three words the fuel price shield I'm not sure it's as good as acts the tax or stop the boats because hold on what's a fuel price shield I'm not sure what that is so I get why the coalition's doing this yeah they're right to target the federal government on this you think it's the sort of thing that a federal government would be vulnerable on I'm not sure when it all comes out in the wash that either side really gets an advantage on this absolutely. Absolutely go to Saudi Arabia absolutely speak to them about it that whole podcast global newspaper economist New York Times conversation are we already in World War three you know that the sort of the think pieces about that they sort of keep me up at night and I'm genuinely worried about it I just tend to feel that our response at the very end of the line you know once the oil comes out of the Middle East gets refined in Asia get shipped to Australia as petrol and diesel I'm not sure about the ability of either side of the world.

16:24So I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to decide really really to cut through and in fact when I was speaking to people in packing them yesterday I was just sort of shoving a microphone in their faces trying to find people who might not normally ring a talk back radio station they just don't trust anyone they don't trust what anyone says about anything so I get why they're trying to get in there early and sort of effectively the thing they say hey it's great I can I can sell this when I'm talking to voters I don't know do you think it's a do you think it's a way they can distinguish themselves well now you've got me thinking about World War three but I'll talk about that for a minute look the thing I think about with the last two or three times in the last four or five years that there's been this kind of cost of living assistance through this mechanism is it doesn't really matter who announced it first because the

17:24the Albanese government of the ones that cut it last time so it was there a few excise cut it didn't really matter who would. If it's a nice did anyone notice well that's the second thing is you yeah you barely get credit when you are the one actually doing it you definitely don't get credit when you're just the one talking about it and then once it happens I'm not entirely sure that everyone was filling up for three months going I'm really happy to have saved this 27 and a half cents a liter thanks to Mr. Albanese or whoever there is a risk I think with a policy like what the coalition are proposing which is essentially that every single time there is this completely out of our control fluctuation that could be coinciding with a period of high inflation or low inflation you have no idea what is actually going to be going on domestically in the economy where the budget is at if you're saying that this automated trigger will come into effect every time the global oil price surges I think it is in betting a lot like a lot less flexibility in how you actually want to respond to what could actually be a broader crisis like fuel could just be one component of a much bigger problem in the global economy and if you're ready as you say

18:34having of billions of dollars to go toward cheaper fuel they could be a time where we kind of want the price like this is awful but we kind of want the price signal to just slow consumption down a little bit because supply is more of an issue than price and so it is this idea of an automated we've got you will protect you will ensure against it ever getting passed by the way just what we consider to be expensive now who knows what we will consider to be expensive in the future it does seem pretty short-sighted and kind of limiting a future government's ability to fight what's likely going to be a much bigger economic problem because fuel really is an issue in isolation well and just want something to say to that I think the economist phrases demand destruction so when fuel gets really expensive and people just stop buying it and demand destruction might be the appropriate economic response but just to your point about flexibility I remember John Howard cutting fuel excise and locking that in for a long time it's it's a huge drain

19:35on the federal budget it is much harder to unwind and I don't know that it actually gains you great political points if you just turn it on and turn it off yes you get lots of questions as this president Albanese government did about when you're going to turn it on when you're going to turn it off and that gets in the way of communicating your other messages but it just gives you some some budget flexibility I didn't mean to scare you about world war three but um I'm not sure the prospects of an eminent and to that conflict are high perhaps we should leave that there and just hope for um peace and goodwill before Christmas well uh that's quite this segue to the next very important topic that we have to talk about which also seems relatively futile and really important to discuss but getting more and more complicated I think as each case we see over as we have over the weekend where there've been four alleged domestic violence murders in New South Wales in just a 24-hour period the reactions are still coming in

20:36obviously there's a lot we don't know about these cases that are all going to end up before the courts but we've had the New South Wales Police Deputy Commissioner out yesterday urging the state government to throw every resource at combating the issue he revealed that offices in that state alone respond to domestic violence incidents every three minutes New South Wales premier Chris Minnes today saying that that was 100% right um and he's listed a lot of actions that his government is doing and said that civics' austerity needs to stand up as well for Tanya Plybosek out this morning as a federal representative talking about um I think she went so far as to say that there are some people that just need to be locked up and I think that might have been a bit of a reference to some legislation going on down in your neck of the woods rough in terms of some of the sentencing around offenders in these cases but the the overall this sort of spate of domestic violence has again reignited calls for a federal royal commission into Femisside how is there I'm responding look the the calls for a royal commission I completely understand

21:44I have watched with horror to be honest and I used that word deliberately the spate of horrific violence in Sydney and beyond over the weekend really just filled me with sadness and and again to use that word horror the Femisside watch organization have been calling for a royal commission for some time their toll at the moment is 52 Australian women killed and 20 Australian children killed this year I hear the calls for a royal commission I understand why it it dominates I think some of the cross benches in the federal parliament have really jumped on board I don't I don't doubt anybody's intentions this is not something I think almost certainly this is never something that's a partisan fight but if I can just give you a bit of a bit of Victorian context as someone who's been talking about these issues on the radio for some time I'm going to go back in time and I'm going to get a little bit personal if that's okay it's almost 14 years to the day since Jill Ma was raped and killed

22:47now Jill was my colleague she sort of helped run the radio station I work for 7-7-4 and I remember going through that experience she was missing for some days finally her body was found the subsequent prosecution and investigation led to changes to things like bail laws and also you know getting out of jail early parole laws those sorts of things there was a huge community response when Jill was killed like there was literally demonstrations in the streets we had Luke batty killed here we had Rosie batty raising rising to prominence as Australian of the year we've had a family violence royal commission in Victoria so that's all my way of saying I understand why people reach for the idea of a royal commission we've had spates of this ourselves recently not too many years ago in Ballarat we had Samantha Murphy and other women killed those things were all still playing out in the courts the state government has tried a saturation

23:48model in the regional town of Ballarat so that really means doing a whole lot of things anybody who's got any history of domestic violence in their family as soon as they or their partner is pregnant they are brought into a program specially designed for them to sort of try and give them the right counselling support they need there are programs at schools and in community groups so they're trying the saturation model there I'm not I no longer feel like a royal commission is needed whenever we interview people whenever we have spates in a violence like this in Victoria the experts who study this and advise governments on this they look we know what the solutions are we know what the answers are we need a focus on it we need to be dedicated to it I think actually in many ways police forces around the country are I'm not sure it's a federal government focus you know it's a bit like the people wanting the federal government to declare Femisside the same as terrorism I understand that too because you sort of think I'll write if we call it terrorism and it's absolutely terrifying and it happens a lot more than other forms of terrorism

24:50surely that means governments and everyone will focus on it I'm not sure my my question is always what is going to get all of us to focus on this more often that that for me is the question I'm not convinced royal commissions do that even though I I don't doubt the sincere intentions of everybody who's calling for a royal commission and maybe the way to finish my long rant the people calling for a royal commission that's the Femisside people they're the people who are keeping an eye on this they're the people who have got got us all focusing on this and they're the people the media turn to to work out okay what's the tally of women who've died so I kind of guess I'm in two minds I don't know do you when you see Tony Plyboset come out I'm sure the PM will be asked about this as well how do you how do you think the federal government's responding to all this I mean with many hands tied behind their back I think is the reality of our you know the nature of our federation the way that our country is geographically spread out that it isn't a situation where you

25:56can just send a crack team and a bunch of resources into a highly densely populated area and and maximise the impact of your investment it's a complicated issue in any situation and we're pretty complicated series of governments and and landscape to be governing in something that really stood out for me of the back of these cases over the weekend in all of the instances none of the individuals were known to police in the sense there weren't AVOs or other kind of things that you might say well here's a failure in the system of someone not checking in or being aware or alert to a known risk there were all different ages like all different ages different post codes it wasn't anything that you could really discern any pattern from other than you know the fact that it is so prevalent and I was speaking to some advocates today and yes you get a lot of attention when something like this happens where there's a series of deaths quite close to each

26:58other but in terms of on average we you know there are people dying constantly all over the country as a result of domestic and family violence and I think sometimes there's a bit of frustration that it takes this rapid succession of several cases in a you know arbitrary period of time to reignite the debate I think the issue for the federal government is that it yes it holds all the purse strings and plays a coordinating role but there's only so far that you can really go with both of those mechanisms there in the process now of developing the next five-year plan the second of two that was supposed to contribute toward ending this issue in a generation they had national cabinet last month I think it was August where they talked about with the states accelerating a bunch of priorities they then come back at the end of this year they then draft up the five-year plan then the states and territories have to sign on then money is allocated and we will be probably you know well into next year before we start to see but all worth doing response they're

28:00all the steps we need right like that it's all worth 100% and this like sort of constant drumbeat of work being done hasn't relented ever since I mean as I said we're into the second of two five-year plans and yet the issue persists and and I think about it in a lot of more abstract ways I had a story today we'll put it in the show notes about a survey that was done of about a thousand Australian heterosexual women 99% of them experienced harmful behaviors on a dating app and you think well what's I got to do with what happened over the weekend well these issues these cultural issues these the relationships between men and women respect and understanding of how to basically treat your fellow human it's all interconnected and the researchers behind this report was sort of linking it to ideas like the digital duty of care which you know I note it has been debated for a lot of different reasons the coalition obviously have concerns around censorship but that digital duty of care doesn't just apply to algorithms it applies to applies to any digital service that

29:03could include a dating app and if those platforms are required to put safety by design into what they are monetising which is essentially people creating connections and building relationships then maybe this is the sorts of lateral thinking we need to take as a you know a total community to address this issue but I don't think that the federal government would in any way say that they have all the answers to this one but at some point there is obviously going to have to be another coming together for this plan and I would hope that in the very least we're applying some of the lessons from the first five years look I think that story you mentioned about the dating apps I'm so glad you mentioned it because I saw that 99% of women on the apps experiencing some form of abuse and my first thought was I'd be honest my first thought was of course then my second thought was oh my god like I'm not even surprised that almost every woman on the apps has been abused which is just

30:03so I know I don't think it I think that's central to our conversation cultural conversations about just how we relate to each other as human beings and the fact that all the economic indicators still point to women not doing as well as men no I think they're really really crucial parts of the conversation but you mentioned the digital duty of care we I think if you have been looking at any newsfeed you know that the PM is overseas what do we know clear about what's going to happen what the sort of things is the PM's going to be talking about at the UN? Well I'm hoping I'll get into this a lot more tomorrow David Spears has been trailing around New York after the PM and he's going to chat to us about it but overnight the thing that's obviously jumping out at me is the PM and a bunch of other world leaders joined together at the UN to sign off on a new set of global guardrails for AI a lot of middle powers sort of the buzz diplomatic word of 2026 I feel like Australia Finland Norway Canada and the EU notably not

31:10China and the US but what have you made rough just quickly of the role that the PM has played on the world stage this week? Oh look I never want to talk down Australia's role on the world stage because what are we you know we're one of the top 20 economies in the world and people listen right the PM is right to point to Apple's self-imposed controls on the socials after there was a social media ban here in Australia the social media ban in Australia I'm not convinced it's it makes a massive difference and the E safety commissioners data seems to point to the fact that it hasn't made a massive difference to most teenagers but the world does notice like when Josh Friedenberg is treasurer enforced the news bargaining code which was basically getting the tech giants to hand over a bit of cash to journalists because they'd cut the journalist lunch in places like Indonesia and Malaysia the tech companies went to those governments and said I'll look what would you like us to do so the world really does notice these are huge issues of course it will come down

32:10to what China and America do especially when it comes to putting guardrails on AI but Anthony Urban E's is signing that document with places like Finland and Norway keep in mind these are some of the most wealthy most sophisticated companies the world has ever seen these computing models are literally the most sophisticated thing human beings have ever made Dario Amadi from Anthropic Sam Altman from Open AI even Elon Musk they've all said you know what wouldn't be such a bad idea have a bit of regulation the same way banks in America these Dario Amadi's words the same way banks in America have regulators sitting there making sure we're doing the right thing they're asking for and you've got people like Anthony Albanese and other world leaders signing up to it as well they want the UN to somehow play a role it's only Donald Trump saying oh no you just need a super smart person like me and you just never really know what he means by that so I think it's always hard to say that Australia is making a big difference on the world stage me personally though I want

33:14Australia to be adding its shoulder to the wheel on these efforts they seem like big almost existential questions Dario user would like that's all be fascinated to say what David tells you tomorrow in terms of what he's seeing on the ground there in New York yeah I'm really excited too all big picture from you today Raf existential thread and world war phase but I think that's that's all for politics now but Raf we should remind listeners that in a month you'll be in the feed on Fridays for politics now Victoria oh look I am just I've said this to Peacay and the podcast before for a lot of my reporting life all the politics was it was in the west of Sydney or you know the southeast of Queensland not anymore as a politics junkie and as someone who cares deeply about the fate of my state and my nation this is the first really big trial run for how one nation is going to have an impact on the two major parties all three parties in Victoria are polling in the 20s the coalition unlike the federal coalition the Victorian coalition are polling ahead of

34:16both labor and one nation one nation's running third we are ground zero for Australian politics 2.0 it really fears to me like this is the big trial run for how our politics has changed and yes I can't wait to be in the feed with politics now Victoria on Fridays in the lead up to the election because what happens here dare I say it like the eight hour day like the first place the parliament sat like where they swore don't forget when federation was sworn in and they held the first parliament the Royal exhibition buildings when it happens in Melbourne and Victoria it matters so we're going to we're going to keep a focus on that on Fridays that's a classic Victorian take on the Spanish but I'm looking forward to it come on it's a busy radio Melbourne like I've got a I've got to talk up my town hey I threw you the platform see you're off see you later Claire it's been