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3:06And find a standing desk that works hard without making your home feel like a cubicle. There's a new Marquette pole that came out just maybe an hour and a half ago. So breaking news, got all the details on that. We're going to break it down, analyze what that means for the state of the governor's race, of the attorney general's race, the legislative races. But first, I want to go to former Navy SEAL intelligence chief. I always give him the credit of that biopoint because it's really impressive. Derek Van Orden, congressman from the western side of the state. We're going to talk about Rebecca Cook's latest lie. And this is a big one. congressman, thanks for coming on the show. Well, thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it tremendously. Yeah, we have to understand right now that the ability for congressional and other political

4:11candidates to lie through their teeth and not be held accountable is a real thing. And there's something called absolute First Amendment rights for these candidates. Rebecca Cook has been lying now for the last four years about me. Well, a lot of people have been lying about you, sir. And I've said this before on social media. It's because you're in a swing district and it's because you're in a district that could determine control of Congress. It's because you flipped a seat that was held by a Democrat for a couple of decades, Ron Kind. And it's because that district could go either way all of the time. It's one of the most, I would say, stridently independent and swing areas of the state over there by lacrosse and so forth. If you were in Tony Weeds or Scott Fitzgerald's districts, you'd be deemed an American patriot as you are. And you wouldn't get all the heat that you get constantly on social media from the left. And I mean, you're a former Navy seal, you're salty, you give as good as you as you get,

5:13but you are continually caricatured and mistreated, honestly, by the liberal media, by the Democrats on social media. And that's why. And so I wanted to give you the time right now for two reasons. Number one, your race could determine control of Congress. And number two, this recent lie by Rebecca Cook is really, really blatant and we have audio. So let's set it up. So I have the audio on a play it in a second, but set the stage for the listeners of what we're about to hear and it's the audio on the debate that she pulled out of her refused to do. And then turned around and actually wrote on social media that you were a quitter and that you pulled out of the debate. I mean, that's the lie. She said it's shameful. Her tweets said that Derek Van Orden backs out of debate. Yeah. Well, let me give you the back story. I challenged the Rebecca Cook to debate in July. And because I knew she was going to win the primary because she was the United One, the

6:15Democrat Party, back in Washington, DC, selected her to be the candidate here, just like the Wisconsin Dens selected Crowley to be the candidate for governor. So I challenged her a long time ago because I wanted to clear this up because she pulled this stuff last night, which ran against me. You just couldn't find the time to do the debate. So just time just ran out. Sorry, I really want to talk to you on the debate stage. So we were supposed to have a phone call. My team and their team last Thursday, but they said, no, we cannot do this phone call until Monday. We can't do it until Monday. You know, it's supposed to be on a Thursday. Why is that? Because Friday is a slow news day. And they knew that they were going to pull this stuff and they wanted to get the largest amount of coverage possible. And that's on a Monday. So this is how deceptive these people are. So my team got on there and Rebecca Cook's team got on there and he immediately said that we're not negotiating a faith and we don't want to do this and we're ceasing our discussions with you right now. So they just backed out of the debate and then Cook went on.

7:17Oh, I guess I don't know how dumb these people are. But so that was a recorded phone call. If they didn't think we were going to play the recording for the public, I mean, that should be- Did they know I was being recorded? It's on a Zoom call. Oh, it was on a Zoom call. Yeah, I mean, that's- I mean, right. Okay. Keep going. So the interesting, even if they didn't with content as a one party. Yeah, correct. So that's rather than anyway. But just to think that you'd have this conversation and say, hey, look, we're not going to do this. And then try to blame it on us. It's just foolish. Well, and I mean, again, the language that she used, that Derrick van Orden is backing out of the debate and how shameful you were. You're a quitter, all this stuff. And then you produce the audio. Right. We accepted every condition. So we accepted all of them. The one thing we went- we aren't- they just agreed today to do something inoclar in her backyard. The only thing we asked about that, I mean, it's completely sustaining the ground to

8:19her. Give her every opportunity possible. The only thing I wanted was another person on the panel asking questions. And that was it. And it's a guy that's actually from WAU who does their political reporting. So we agreed to everything across the board. And then it's just an egregious lie that we didn't do this. And the thing with cut gas, she keeps putting stuff out and expecting it's not to pound her. But we have- if we can get through this debate stuff, we'll talk about the rest of stuff she's been lying about. Right. Well, she's counting on the liberal media not calling her out on it. And counting on conservatives not having the reach to get the word out. Although I think that's changed with Elon Musk and Zuckerberg following suit and lifting the censorship regimes on social media where we are able to get this word out. So let's go right now to the audio. This is the audio. But we've been- they accepted three to eight while we've been having these negotiations

9:20while calling us in the press on willing to debate. So I just think rather than waste everybody's time here, it's become clear that we are not having a negotiation in good faith and co-campaign will not be continuing to afford with these conversations. Okay, so we're declining this debate as well. We're not continuing with these negotiations as they cannot be clearly or not being held in good faith. So Rebecca Cook is not going to debate Jerry Fihardin. That's what you're saying. Hey, step this up so that we can come to a good faith conversation. Like if that's what you guys want to do and you think that your candidate doesn't want to debate, then like let's just leave it there and not waste people's time. That's what I'm trying to do. This could have been an email if you guys didn't want to accept. So if that's where you want to go, then that's where we can go. But the reason why we asked to get on this is because we obviously think that the lacrosse chamber is something that we can work out in both candidates can agree to. And Allison, I feel like we've been very clear about that on where the congressman is.

10:26He wants to debate. He wants to do something where both candidates can agree. And if that's just not where Cook is, then like we don't have to waste our time here. Well, I think that's right. I don't think we have to waste our time. But I will also just, you know, we've been trying to put together something that we think both teams can agree on, which is why we came up with that proposed format that we sent. So if we are not moving forward, we can just end the call here. But you guys want to try to meet somewhere. I'm happy to discuss the format that we had in time trying to a day. But I also want to give everyone back time if this isn't going to move forward. Yeah, hey, Allison, I can tell you straight off the bat that the congressman will accept us today and has accepted the declared debate as long as the timing works with our schedule. And if Cook doesn't want to do it, then like that's not our problem. So to be clear, she has rejected five other debates.

11:28So this while this one is part of it, the lacrosse area chamber of commerce. This wasn't a biased forum that you were proposing. The Wisconsin firearms owners, the well, they all clear one. Maybe she's doing now the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce of Wisconsin. She wouldn't even do the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce debate. Hunter Nation, rejected or dumbed her nose at the hunters, thumbing her nose at the fire arm owners. So Congressman, I feel like Rebecca Cook is the most manufactured candidate in Wisconsin history. I kind of look at her like a, she's a campaign operative. That's her past political fundraiser helped run the campaign for Kirk Banks, instead of all people for Joe Ann Kloppenberg. If you remember her in the state Supreme Court race against the great David Prasser, hard core leftist political operative who I sort of feel like went in a back room. This is what I imagine anyway. Okay. Medical scenario goes in a back room and has a whiteboard or something and decides, okay,

12:34I'm in a manufacturer, a biography. I'm going to sort of create or assemble the perfect candidate. What I think that would be rather than who she really is. And so you get this version she puts out there, not just this debate stuff, but that she's this waitress and a small business owner and a nonprofit leader. And then when you dig into it, you discover, wait a minute, her store, her small business failed in 2022. And she only made $7,000 in 2025 as a waitress. So she does that nominally. She's, you know, it turned out she's on the payroll of some shadowy, you know, organizations that are pushing data centers in Wisconsin. And the nonprofit that she created gave out 17 grants while she was making money there. And their most recent tax form showed they spent more money on employees than on grants.

13:34Yet you go on her website and it says, she's a small business owner and a nonprofit leader in this working class waitress. What say you? Well, Rebecca Cook has been running for Congress for six years. So let's ask anybody out there if they're running for Congress, which really has to be a full time job. Can you do it for six years, making $7,000 a year as a waitress? She owns two waterfront properties. Let's move this back into this a little bit. So Rebecca Cook ran against Brad Paff. She lost the primary to Brad Paff. And then I was elected. Then she ran against Katrina Shanklin. She won the primary, but she did against Katrina Shanklin, which she did this time against Emily Verdi. She put in an extension, so she would not have to release her personal financial statements until after the primary.

14:34And she did that because it shows she owns two waterfront properties. She's made hundreds of thousands of dollars as a political consultant. And she heard business failed objectively because of poor management. All this stuff is listed on her financial stuff. It didn't come out until after Shanklin lost the primary. And oh my gosh, you want to hear about somebody mad? And then she did exactly the same thing. Knowing that people in this 13-grational district of the state was constantly, we don't like liars. We don't. And she's been lying about who she is for six solid years now. She is not some hard-scribe-a-waitress. She's a professional political consultant. She's made hundreds of thousands of dollars working for some of the most disgusting people in the entire state, including Kirk Banks, that who's going to pass out free beer if President Trump got assassinated. It's absolutely shocking. The things that she has been able to get away with. And here's something else. She's put not these data centers, commercials that I want to put data centers to live in Wisconsin. I have been speaking and working with the Department of Army for almost 11 months now

15:36about putting data centers on military reservations. This is why. That's an interesting idea. Oh, listen, every single one of these is completely valid. We want local control, can't raise rates, the pollution, water usage, and then the issue with noise. Those are the big ones. So the request for proposals that I've crafted with the Department of Army, they have to be on a military base, which means you can't farm on them, right? You can't come to the Black Dirt. The local control, it's a federal reservation pre-existing, you're not taking off any new land. They have to use closed loop air cooled systems. Now what that is is, you drove your car to work today. Did you leave a trailer of any freeze behind it? No, you didn't because that's a closed loop air cooled system. The same thing applies to these data centers. So the water usage for these data centers using closed loop air cooled systems is about the same as a car wash and it's massively less than a golf course. These things are on military reservations behind fences where the neighborhood can't be

16:40disturbed by them. So what I have chosen to do is to problem solve. What Rebecca Cook has chosen to do is lie. She's a senior visiting fellow for a place called the Third Way that does not want any type of moratoriums at all for data centers. They paid her over $30,000. That's all she admitted to because the form they have to fill it just says that you get paid, if you get paid more than $5,000. So she worked for that and she was on the Wisconsin Tech Council, which also wants to put data centers all over the place. It doesn't matter if they built a hyperscale data center in Biberdam on pristine Wisconsin farmland and they also built one in Mount Pleasant on pristine farmland. We've got to be before and after satellite images of the land that Rebecca Cook got paid to cover up to put a data center on and then lie about the scene and I want to do what she just did. Can you explain since we're on the topic? Yeah, since we're on the topic of data centers, can you explain to the listeners how important

17:43they are to the Wisconsin economy? Well, actually, how important they are to the driving the growth in the Wisconsin economy. Do you see other side of it, I guess? I am a National Security Professional and I look at this from a National Security perspective and you can have a local interest in that and the National Security, you can have the National Security taking care of also. This is a basic scheme of these data centers on military basis only and they're non-negotiables. We can send it to you guys can put it on your website. So it's a public private partnership. The private part is really what we're talking on the phone right now and I'm using Wi-Fi calling. They have bad cell coverage here, right? This is looking through a data center. When you are talking to your grandkids on Facebook, that's a data center. All these, the videos that you watch, data center, streaming videos, all that, everything, that's the private part, meaning it's a private company. The public part is the Department of War having the necessary National Security, intelligence

18:52and communications architecture to make sure that we don't fall behind in this race for super intelligence. This is why. Let's say I teach you how to cook an egg. That's peer-to-peer learning, you know what I mean? Hey, throw the egg in the pan, all right? So now we have machines that are teaching other machines how to do things. That's called machine learning. When we get to quantum machine learning, the rate of super intelligence growth is exponential. To the point we can't even visualize it right now. And whoever gets to that point in that point in time is going to win the super intelligence race. Whoever wins the super intelligence race is going to either start the next war and win it or prevent the next war from happening. And we put out a great thing showing them an unclassified brief about how much the Chinese Communist Party is pushing all this information that you're hearing about data centers.

19:52And they're doing it because they understand that. And the Chinese don't have guardrails. And I thought it'd been Wikler who is a boob. And we voted against states letting the ability for them to put guardrails at a state level. And what we're doing in Congress, this is an interstate commerce and national security issue. So imagine if the state of Wisconsin had its own defense plan and Montana had their own defense plan. You know, that's not how this stuff works because this is so incredibly important that we get this right that this has to be done in a national level. So one more time for the record. Rebecca Cook is lying through her teeth once again. The only proposal that I have for data centers is they go on federal military reservations. They have to use close to air cooled systems. You cannot cover up black dirt. That's the military part. And you cannot have an increase in utility rates.

20:53Every single one of these companies is required to sign the rate protection plan. So every concern and again, 100% valid that we have, we've addressed by actually thinking about stuff as opposed to saying something because you saw it in a poll. Right. And there's so many other issues too. She referred to ICE as disgusting. She said she would support Socialists. Zoraan Mamdani, the, you know, crazy mayor of New York. She's for gun control. She's really out of stop and just a myriad of ways with the value values of the district. So I have to go to a break and let you go. But I want to conclude by just asking you point blank, where is the race at? This could be for control of Congress. Are you poised to win this? I'm sure you're not going to say no, but like are there polls? I've been really seen polling on this race. Like where is this race at? When we vote, we win. This is a turnout race. Is that simple? And Cook say she's up four points. That's because she's trying to fundraise tomorrow.

21:54That's a lot. She got it four points. So when we get out and we vote, we win. It's that simple. Can I say one more thing before I'm going to do this? All right. So if Cook came out with an ad saying that I didn't want to ban, doctorating, and then I'm a big doctorator. All right. We actually did a counter ad for this because it's so egregious. It's HR 70008. And I clearly voted to ban, doctorating by the numbers of Congress. Here's something else that Rebecca Cook doesn't understand. I've never traded a single stock in my entire life. I have a TSP account from the Navy. I was in for 26 years. That's it. So I've never bought sold or traded individual stocks as a member of Congress or as a civilian eater. So that is just a flat out lie. And it's absolutely administratively a lie. So I want people to think about this. Do you want someone that is willing to do or say anything? And I mean, anything at all to gain political power, including saying, you know, that including be smirching somebody's reputation intentionally

22:56knowing that it is a grossly provable lie. Or do you want someone who's going to tell you who they are, what they've done? And I'll be honest, and I know it. I'm completely self-aware. People are not always going to like what I say or how I say it. But I will never lie to you. Ever. And that's who Rebecca Cook is. She just wants power. And that's just good to have a lot of everybody. You're a former Navy SEAL intelligence chief. So I don't think the voters expect you to be this polished, freeze-dried, fake, foamy politician. And I don't think voters want that. I mean, they just want people to say it like it is. They want to feel like they're having an authentic conversation with people. And I want to conclude on this point. I know we're kind of extending it. But I argued on social media that you're actually the working class candidate in this race. She's trying to manufacture this resume of being a waitress and her broken down car on the freeway or whatever she posted a couple of years ago.

23:57Really quickly. I think a lot of people don't know this about you and you're upbringing. Make the case for why you're the working class self-made candidate. Well, I was raised in Object Real Poverty by a single mother. And we had food stamps. And it was actually a stamp that you put on a card at the grocery store and I'd government cheese and subsidize launches. I dropped out of school when I was 16 years old. I've been supporting myself financially. I decided to 16. I joined the Navy at 18. I wound up doing 26 years to retire as a Navy CLCNG with multiple combat tours. My wife, Sarah Jane and I have been married for just been at 34 years. We have four children. Three of them are still with us. We're about to have our 14th grandchild coming up. And I'll tell you what, Sarah and I, after Abby was born, that's our second daughter decided that it would be better for her to stay at home. So we lived on an E5 budget. And as I got promoted, you know, you made more money. But if you want to talk about rum and two nickels together,

24:59I mean, that's who I am. I retired. I did some corporation stuff. It was so damn boring. We moved back up to our farm and I re-opened a cafe and turned it burned with that because the village is so nice to us. And then sold that. And I decided to go to law school at 50. And I was there for about half a year. And then decided to run for Congress. And so I finished my one-year and then just kept running for Congress. Well, thank you. We want to talk about working class. I don't know how you... You're the working class guy. Let's take a clear. And I wanted people to hear that part of your bio because this part of you never gets reported in the media. I have to go to a break. Thank you for coming on the show and thank you as always for your service. Stay tuned, everyone. We'll be right. I'm going to see you in your last minute. Thank you. I need to be healthy every day to survive it and go through the next Kimarang and the next Kimarang. So it's important that work was part of that. To keep my mind busy for eight, nine hours. And then I had to go back and face the reality.

26:01I had a goal and the goal was to survive. Research shows there is a significant connection between the ability to continue to work and cancer recovery. We can make work a better place for healing. Learn more and sign the pledge at workingwithcancerpledge.com. All right. The Marquette poll came out. So I was tempted to just say, you know what? I'm not playing this poll game anymore. Yeah, I'm not playing this Marquette Law School poll game anymore. Ever since, you know, the last poll, I mean, how many times does the Marquette poll have to be wildly wrong before we all just say, we're just not doing this anymore. So let's take all of this with a massive grain of salt, a massive grain of salt. Of course, we all remember the Marquette poll came out and it showed Francesca Hong was ahead of David Crowley by like 31 percent or something

27:05crazy like that. Although you could argue that the road to Crowley's victory was present in that poll. It was located within the undecided column, which if you recall was massive in that poll. And everyone kind of overlooked how many undecided there still were. They broke for Crowley. I mean, that's the bottom line and Democratic voters were funneled that way by the Democratic machine, which, you know, knee-capped Mendelabarns unfairly, I think, actually, to get him out of the race, funneled millions of dollars and targeted, you know, direct mail and things like that to moderate Democratic voters and pulled it off by 3,000 votes or whatever it was. So, I mean, there is that. I'm still going to give you the numbers. I guess I'm still going to play the game a little bit. It's just with a little bit of a, okay, here we are again.

28:08The Marquette poll shows that it's a one to three point race and that's in their margin of error. So among likely voters is showing David Crowley ahead of Tom Tiffany 49 to 46. That's a three point race. It's shrinking because in August, Crowley was ahead by five points. What's going in Tom Tiffany's favor, that's good. Registered voters. David Crowley has a one point lead over Tom Tiffany with 9% undecided. So I read on Acts the analysis of this poll by a Republican analyst that people respect. And he said that he always assumes that the Marquette poll that it's going to be over-sampling Democrats by about 3%. So in his mind, this poll actually means that the race between David Crowley and Tom Tiffany

29:09is tied. Is tied. Another person was suggesting that the poll shows that the bow counties, so-called bow counties, are going to determine this race. The tipping point is up there in the valley. So I don't know if you've heard this term the bow. We have the wow in the bow. The wow are Waka Shah, Ozaki Washing counties. Historically, that's what everyone looked at as the tipping point. The bow would be, you know, Brown County, out of Gami, Winnebago. And so Tom Tiffany is leading in the bow. He's also leading in the western part of the state that's Congressman Van Orden's area. He's leading up north. It's the Trump coalition. If he can reassemble it, like that's what he's leading. Obviously, David Crowley is leading in Milwaukee and in Madison.

30:11So what this tells me, what these numbers tell me is it's a turnout game. It's a turnout game who gets their voters to the polls. That's going to determine this. It's close enough that Tiffany can win this. But it's close enough, I'm going to be honest with you all, that Crowley could win this. So people need to get off their sofas and get out to the polls. And this poll did find an enthusiasm gap still. It said that 85% of Democrats plan to vote, but only 78% of Republicans plan to vote, and 61% of independents are planning to vote. So if Tiffany can push up that Republican percentage, just a notch, just a notch with turnout, he can win this. Now, I'm going to tell you all a secret. I'm going to be bluntly honest with you.

31:13I don't know if it'll ruffle any feathers because it's dated information, but I will confess to you that about two to three months ago, every Republican insider that I spoke to, well, okay, let me recalibrate and say almost every. Republican insider I spoke to. I'm talking about campaign operatives, some candidates. I'm talking about public officials, just all these people kind of in the know. Think tank people and they told me almost to the to the one. Tom Tiffany has no chance. He's done. He's not going to win. And it was really depressing and no one wanted to say that publicly, but behind the scenes, they all said it. He's toast, no chance. And they were attributing it to the bad midterm cycle. People are angry at Trump. And this poll shows that independents are very, very angry at Donald Trump right now.

32:14And in his support is starting to slip with Republicans as well, which is a new thing. There's some Trump fatigue and you know, it's gas prices. It's a Ron and all of this. And so they were really, they weren't saying this because they didn't think Tom Tiffany wasn't a good guy or decent candidate. They were really depressed about the cycle. But what I'm going to tell you is that's changed. Okay, that has changed. And I noticed it changing about three to four weeks ago, where the people I would talk to and I talked to lots of people all the time and try to get the temperature of the room. And what they'll say publicly is often different from what they're willing to tell you off the record and when you're just having a conversation. And now, two of them won. They're optimistic. Cautiously. Nobody thinks this is a cakewalk. But they're now telling me you know what, Tom actually could pull this off.

33:16Like he could defeat the bad cycle. And and most people believe that Eric Tony will outperform Tiffany slightly, they think and or just sort of match him. Most people think if Tiffany at least runs close, certainly if he wins, that he's going to pull Eric Tony over. Eric Tony is going to be pretty tied to the Tom Tiffany co-tales. And that's no knock on Eric. I think he's a great candidate who's running a really, really solid campaign. It's more a reflection of the fact the media just are tuned out of that race. They're not covering it no matter what he says or does. And this poll reflects this too that almost nobody knows who Eric Tony is. And frankly, and this this gives Eric his chance to almost no one knows who Josh call is. Like the absent A wall lazy as hack. Worst AG in Wisconsin history. Josh calls Ben in office for years now like, you know, more people don't know who he is.

34:20I think that's the know who who he even is. Okay, so why is there this turn in optimism? Why are the polls shrinking? Why do people now think you know what? Tom Tiffany could pull this off if everyone gets out and votes. Like he could win this. Why? I can boil it honestly down to two things. There's multiple factors, but two big things. One of those is just money. Money. So so Tom Tiffany is out spending and out raising. David Crowley by a lot. And I read the tea leaves really carefully. And I actually do talk to some democratic and independent insiders too. Even some people whose names you would know. Like I talked to lots of people. And they started fretting big time about a month ago. Money, money. And they said things like this to me, they said he's running out of money for ads, referring to David Crowley that he's short millions that they need for their ground game.

35:25That there's just one person said to me there's really just very soft interest in this race by these out of state, you know, democratic gazillionaires. They're just tuned out of it. They're not excited by David Crowley. And some figures I got from I think was in the state journal. It said as of August that Tom Tiffany had raised $15.6 million. And part of that is the fact he didn't have a bloody primary. Thank you, Josh Oman. If Tom Tiffany wins this, which he might, everyone should send, every conservative should send Washington County executive Josh Oman, a gift basket, a fruit basket, a thank you card. I don't know something because he could have fought this to the bitter end. And we could have had another ugly or a public and gubernatorial primary. And we didn't because he fell on his sword and he said, you know what? I want conservatives to have the best chance to win. And that requires a non-bloody primary and he got out of the way.

36:25He kind of pulled a Scott Walker. Walker did that years ago when he was running against Mark Green, Congressman Mark Green. And they were in this, you know, fairly collegial primary. And Walker bailed out of it because he didn't want it to end up in this bloody situation. And then guess what? Next time he became governor. So Josh Oman did that. So Tom Tiffany had raised $15.6 million. And David Crowley had raised like 1.4 million as of August. Now we'll see when the next financial report comes out. Has David Crowley managed to minimize that spending gap? We'll find out. But you know, the signs aren't good for him. And being outspent by that much matters. It matters. The second point I think it's inherently tied to the money is the ground game. By all accounts what I'm hearing is Tom Tiffany has a massive ground game. That means door knockers.

37:25It means direct mail. I've received like 5 pro Tom Tiffany direct mail pieces at my Walker Shakowni home. And I got a door knocker. And it was a pro Tom Tiffany. I've gotten nothing. Absolutely nothing from Crowley. Now I know I'm not as targeted voter demographic. But it's just like you see nothing from him. I would in Walker Shakowni almost no signs. So money and ground game are you know, could be game changers here. And that's when people started to say wow. You know, Tiffany could pull this off. All right, I have to take another break. When we come back I'm going to tell you some other sort of data points from the latest poll which came out to me. On the other hand, I looked up Evers Michaels. So in August of 2022, the Marquette Paul had Evers ahead by two points. And then in October 2022, it had shrunken it.

38:27Showed Evers only one point ahead of Michaels. And we all know what happened. Tony Evers unfortunately won that race 51% to 47.7. So in that one, it sort of undercounted Evers. It's a turnout thing. It's who gets their people to the polls. So some other tidbits from the poll that I thought were interesting. People that heard about Tom Tiffany's plane crash and that dramatic situation were more likely to see him favorably. 59% of people who heard about the plane crash had a favorable view of Tom Tiffany. And 39% of those who did not hear about it had a favorable view. I'm not surprised by that because that press conference where he broke down and he was almost in tears and all of that it humanized Tom Tiffany and made him more likeable to voters. I've always found him likeable because I've met him in person.

39:29He's a very sort of fundamentally decent man with a lot of class. Smart, you know, just very friendly, very nice man. But you know, the Democrats are trying to paint him as toxic. Tom tied the Trump and all of this. And so I think the plane crash press conference really did show people a glimpse of the real Tom Tiffany. Some other points in the poll that I thought were interesting and were good of science for Tom Tiffany. Crowley's unfavorability numbers are growing and I think that's a reflection again of the fact he's being outspaned. He's not getting his narrative out there. Tiffany's narrative on him is starting to dominate and his unfavorabilities have grown by 15%. Now, independence are still breaking pretty dramatically for Crowley. That is the danger signed for Tiffany. 44% to 18.

40:31But what was interesting is that the numbers dropped. So the number of percentage of independence Juan and Crowley has plummeted quite significantly. And those people though they haven't moved to Tiffany, they've moved to undecided. So bottom line here everybody, this is anyone's game. Tom Tiffany is positioned to win this. But it is going to take everybody and their neighbor and their friend and their mother. Getting off their sofas and voting, it's a turn out game. All right, stay tuned. Got a lot coming up. People at work supported me while I was going through treatment. By not treating me like somebody who was going through treatment. Treatment sucks. Cancer sucks. Being engaged with work really helped to, oh, I just knew I was going to beat this day. Research shows there is a significant connection between the ability to continue to work and cancer recovery. We can make work a better place for healing.

41:32Learn more and sign the pledge at workingwithcancerpledge.com. And we're going to take a ride on the wild side. We're going to talk about flock. I'm calling it the wild side because that's an emotional issue. And we're going to go a little bit against the grain. And our goal is going to be to offer you a fuller discussion. But first, I want to talk about the flight from Dubai to Israel. Did you all hear about this? This is absolutely crazy. It is a crazy story. And a lot of details came out today. So first of all, all of us, every single one of us, I know, this wishes that Flight 93, a 9-11, had turned out differently. I don't know about you, but every time I watched a documentary about or a movie about Flight 93,

42:34I find myself imagining, well, what would have happened if the passengers had just made it into the cockpit? They were so close. It would be so, so different. Well, that's what happened over the skies. From Dubai to Israel the other day. In case you didn't hear this story, a pilot, a pilot, stabbed his co-pilot in the cockpit, in the cockpit. He was of Omani descent. It's a terrorist attack, a foiled terrorist attack. And the details coming out are absolutely bonkers. So the Omani co-pilot stabs the other pilot. And then he tries to crash the plane.

43:35Now, of course, as I said, it was flying to Israel. So I had a lot of Israeli people on it, a lot of Jewish people. We can see with a motive, this is a terrorist attack. 174 souls were on that plane. It was described that the plane went out of control. There was a brawl between the pilots. Because this brave, I mean, this hero number one is the good pilot. He was an Indian nationaler, because he's still alive. An Indian national, by the name of Smith, I'm going to mutilate this last name, sorry. Machachar. He's a hero, because not only did he fight back, after being stabbed in the cockpit, but he managed to open the cockpit door. And that's the big difference between this situation and the tragedy of flight 93. You remember this, flight 93, they didn't make it into the cockpit in time.

44:40And the terrorists, you know, nosed dive the plane into a field in Pennsylvania. In this case, the pilot managed, the good pilot managed to hit a button and open the cockpit door. The passengers and crew members then broke into the cockpit and restrained the attacking pilot. So the hero of the situation is again that the good pilot, but also one of the passengers his name is Yanev Hayan. And he's all over social media, and I wish I could play like the videos of him talking, but it's all in Hebrew. The videos are in Hebrew. He met with Netanyahu today. But the translation said, he said, I grabbed the attacker and put him in a chokehold and pulled him out of the cockpit. I called, there's rail use for with us, the other passengers. They jumped back in, we all jumped back in and pulled, and then this guy, Yanev,

45:43pulled the controls of the plane. Now, let me back up. What's going on at that time is the plane was crashing. It had dropped 16,000 feet in two minutes. First of all, this is my worst nightmare. I am absolutely terrified of flying. It's my one phobia. I hate it. If I have to fly somewhere, I think about it for two weeks. Imagine my funeral. It's a ridiculous phobia. I've had people who are pilots try to explain to me how planes really work, calm down, etc. They're safe. I get it. I don't like being in a little cylinder flying through the air. I don't like the concept of it. I do it all the time. I travel constantly because I love traveling. I went to Scotland recently. I went to Prague, went to Switzerland. I walk into the fear, but I hate it from beginning to end. The idea of being on a plane that's plummeting 16,000 feet in two minutes is just absolutely horrifying. What does Yanev do? This hero passenger.

46:52He said, I pulled the controls. I started pulling them back and I stopped the plane's dive. One story read, he said, he has an aviation background. He also said, I quote, it's a good thing I watched Air Crash investigation, which is apparently some show in Israel. I guess it's some TV show. He watched Air Crash investigation and got the idea. I need to pull back these controls. He was able to stabilize this plane in mid-air. This is absolutely incredible story. I do have some audio for you. It's not the best audio because like I said, that's in Hebrew. There's also some really dramatic video that passengers took of it when it's plummeting and inside the plane. There's some incredible video too when they managed to finally land in Saudi Arabia like an emergency landing.

47:55They were all applauding. Yanev was there with a boombox or something. It was playing music. It was an incredible video. I think after the show, I'm going to round up all of that for Wisconsin right now. You can go on our news site, WisconsinRightNow.com and get a roundup of all this because those videos just don't translate on the radio. There's no real audio of the moments of terror or whatever, but it's pretty dramatic to watch. I did find a clip that will give you a sense of what happened in those moments. Let's play that now. This was pretty violent. This airline or this 737-800-max descended about 20,000 feet in about 30 seconds. Incredibly violent. The radar data that I've seen so far, they exceeded the max operating speed of this aircraft by 100 knots. So they were going down hill. There was a fight to the death in the cockpit and thank God that this could have been a lot worse. So I guess 20,000 feet in 30 seconds. The news articles were saying 16,000 and two minute.

48:59Whichever it's horrifying, this plane almost crashed with 174 people on it. The pilot almost took out the plane. The pilot almost took out the plane. Now, there's some controversy over the news coverage as always of this. The New York Times called this an altercation. I think it was in its headline and under fire they said, well, we don't publish speculation. And Reuters said the pilots fought in the cockpit. Basically, the liberal media are being accused of downplaying the terrorist attack, you know, reality of the situation. This wasn't just two pilots fighting in the cockpit. This was a bona fide terrorist attack by a money pilot who was trying to crash this plane. I'm going to give the media a slight break on that because I do think sometimes what happens is

50:00places like the New York Times, they put out a story really, really fast based on bear bones information right on the front end before they know anything, right? Before anyone knows exactly what happened. And I think they actually kind of do have a point. You know, they're not going to speculate about it. They're going to put out what officials are saying, what they can prove. And so sometimes the earlier accounts on ridiculous, you know, a half hour later and then they get vashed for that. So there is that. But they also have this pattern of downplaying these things. So anyway, incredible. There's also a photo of the bloodied pilot lying on the ground. I mean, it's just it's an amazing story with an amazing hero, two heroes who who who turned this around and thank goodness for that. Thank goodness for that. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we will I'll be talking with state rap Jim P. Varchek and we're going to dive into controversy.

51:01Jim P. Varchek, he's the co-founder of Wisconsin right now. He is a Republican legislator. His district spans Washington and Walker, Shakownes. Jim, thank you for coming on the show. Hey, good afternoon, Jessica. Thank you very much. You know, I always prefer to be in studio. But today I'm up in the pier. We're not indoors for state rep Ben Franklin. You know, it's some listeners may not know when you know we're in a very tight race here in the assembly every seat counts. And so those of us that are considering safer seats in my district, it's a very solid seat. And so I go around the state and I'm not dors for other legislators. Just like other legislators do there in safe seats because we're giving it all here to make sure that we're able to keep the majority. And we talked about the governor's race a lot in the first hour of the show, but obviously the control of the state legislature is also on the line. And that could go either way.

52:07What are you hearing on the doors out of curiosity? Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, boy, let's just pray for a Tiffany win here. It's going to be close. But we have to make sure in the assembly. We keep the assembly. You know, just in case things don't go our way, we have to stop the Democrats or I mean, I'm telling you right now, we're going to wish we lived in Minnesota because I'm convinced our Democrats here are easier than Minnesota Democrats. But at the doors, it's really coming down the economy. People are, you know, concerned about prices and gas prices really with these gas prices where they're at right now. That has been a challenge for some of us at the doors. But again, the gas prices are more of a federal issue. We're state legislators and you know, things that we can work on in the state. You know, we want to prevent the Democrats from taking control because I'll tell you what, if we lose Act 10, you think you're paying high taxes now just wait until Act 10 goes away. You know, if we can get control, the first thing I think we're

53:12going to do is legislate your end and governor Tiffany would be to eliminate the 400-year veto, which has automatic increases, you know, for property taxes. So those are things that we can do at the state level to help control some of the cost. Well, and David Crowley, to go back to the governor's race, has stated he wants to repeal Act 10 and you're right, that would blow a big hole in a lot of local government and school district budgets. Obviously, he's also increased the sales tax, property taxes, hiked those, etc., etc. And so, you know, people are concerned and obviously it's not a surprise about the economy that would seem, I think, to tilt toward Tom Tiffany's favor. Okay, let's jump into flock, Jim. So I wanted to talk about this and I want to sort of set the stage by explaining why we're talking so much about flock and we've been doing it on our social media accounts. You know, we're, you and I pride ourselves in giving it to people straight.

54:20We, we are not two people who just follow the crowd. We say what we think, we say what we really believe and we're willing to take the heat and there's a lot of heat surrounding this issue. So take some courage to talk about. So explain right out of the gate, why do you want to talk about flock? It's certainly not something that's an easy issue for you. You know, you're right. It's interesting because normally, you know, you have the, the socialist, especially in the, in the assembly, you know, Ryan Clancy, they're always pushing to eliminate law enforcement and tools for law enforcement and flock and things like that. And so it has been really challenging to see, you know, a lot of people on our side of the aisle also starting to take on those same narratives of both flock. And so I, I think my mission is to at least educate people. Make sure that they understand exactly what flock does and more importantly, what it doesn't do

55:20before you make these knee jerk reactions to eliminate it from your communities. Because as you and I have shown, I was gathering now. We've been writing many articles here based on a lot of the success stories. And I mean, oh my gosh, the Milwaukee story itself is shocking the number of homicides that flock is catching. I'm tight-tucked back. I just want to make sure people have a good understanding of what's out there. There are concerns. And I have those concerns and we'll talk about that. But I think this is something where we should keep this technology. Let's put guardrails on. But it's an important tool that we need to have to continue to fight crime. Yeah, I think there's a middle ground between flock is great. Let's just let it, let cops do whatever they want with it. And let's span it or require warrants. And then there's this other ground, middle ground where I think you and I land, which is let's put some restrictive guardrails on it. Let's study whether there are enough guardrails on the way communities are using these cameras.

56:23But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. And you know, you're exactly right. It's interesting how the two sides of the polls are meeting. And this one, last spring, you guys watching some of the Milwaukee Fire and Police Commission meetings. And you had these typical left-wing radical antifa style activists there. They were ranting and raving at Chief Norman for going to Israel for a training session. And they were ranting and raving about facial recognition technology and about flock cameras. And at that time, this was coming from DSA, from the ACLU, from BLM. I mean, that is the wing of society that was pushing this. And then all of a sudden, I noticed maybe a month ago, maybe two months ago, you had more and more conservatives joining them. And it's very strange bedfellows. Meanwhile, you have Trump and Patel coming out for flock. And therefore, I think because of immigration enforcement, it's very useful. And they're obviously pro police. All right, before we get into, I want to start with like going through some of the myths

57:26and just educating people. Remind people of your background because you were a law enforcement officer before you were legislator. I think that's important to this discussion. Yeah, that's the part. So I do have almost 20 years of law enforcement experience. And you know, I talked to almost that daily basis. I talked to cops. I talked to police administrators, talked to judges, talked to attorneys, defense attorneys, prosecutors. And so, you know, I'm listening to what they're saying. And I mean, they have all told me, lock is really a necessary tool to have to fight, fight crime, and you know, and to have it in our criminal justice system. And so I think that we are one of the important things that we need to bring out here is that this is not all flock does. I think we should take a step back and explain what flock actually does. A flock camera simply takes a photo of the back of your car. Okay,

58:29the car is on public road. It takes a photo of the plate. And then from there, you know, it's able to establish the make and the color of the vehicle. And then flock is hooked into kind of the time system. That's like kind of a computer network for law enforcement. And it checks that license plate for once. Okay, it's checking to see has that car been, is it wanted in a homicide? Is it one? Is it a stolen car? They've been committing arm robbery with it. And if and be that has an immediate alert goes out to law enforcement in the area, hey, a car wanted a homicide just passed my location. And then squads will go and try to find that that vehicle. Now, for me living in Washington County, I want that technology at, you know, for any crime, any any crime cars coming up into Milwaukee in Washington County, I want my deaf youth to know the moment that that car comes into the mic. Well, and I mean, crime is is down, believe it or not,

59:29even in Milwaukee and key categories. And it does coincide with when they got these cameras. They're a very effective law enforcement tool. And, you know, I'm also not going to tell people to support flock. I'm not going to do that. What we're trying to do is educate people, give you a fuller discussion. The liberal media are only interested right now. And this is typical of police related stories. They're only interested in the negative stories where the police made a mistake or there was some outliers, some some cop who stalked someone. And obviously that's bad. Those people should be punished. And that should serve as a deterrent. So other people don't do that. They're only interested in in slanting this against law enforcement. And so our mission at Wisconsin right now has always been to give people the side that the media will not cover. And that's what we're trying to do here. So let's continue sort of breaking down that myth. So the cops are not sitting there watching a live feed of everyone driving around. And they're also not, you know, they don't care. Let's put it this way. They don't care if I am

1:00:35driving to Meyer to get orange juice. Unless I'm in a stolen car or I'm a homicide suspect or something like that. Correct. Correct. That's correct. And you know, if I have talked to New Deputy recently, he said, listen, we have like four or five deputies answered the whole county. We are overwhelmed, jumping call to call to call. We simply don't care what Jim P. Will Vartic is doing and what time he crossed over County Line Road. You know, they just, they don't care. They are way too busy. And they are strictly uses tools. You're right. There have been abuses. And that is, you know, and those cops are being fired. They're being prosecuted. I think one cop up here in the Fox Valley area got six months in prison for it. And so, and that's rightfully so. And so we need to continue to do that. I think police departments need to continue to audit and make sure that this is the happening. And when it does, these cops do need to be fired. But I can tell you one thing. After all the blow up and everything that's happened, I would doubt if there's a single cop in the country right now that is using

1:01:38it inappropriately, for fear that they get caught, I mean, they are going to get the books thrown at them. Yeah. I mean, if anyone was thinking of doing that before, they're not going to do that now. I look at the abuse argument. I think that's the weakest argument against flock. When people say, well, some cops abuse the technology. You don't throw out a tool because a few people abuse it. Similar to guns. Yeah. When you look at the percentage, yeah, there's some bad apples have done it. But when you look at the number of cops are in the country versus how they actually did it, I mean, it's kind of like everywhere else. You got a couple bad apples. They need to be weed out. They need to be punished. But listen, if an officer, I mean, we know there's been cases historically where a police officer has inappropriately, wrongfully used deadly force, that doesn't mean we're going to strip every cop of their gun because one or two cops may have shot someone wrongly. We go after those cops who fire them and we

1:02:43prosecute them. That's the way it handled the situation. Well, it's a DSA style argument or a BLM style argument to say, there's a few bad apple cops. So all cops are probably primafasia corrupt. I personally trust our local enforcement officers with technology. I start with the assumption they're going to use it responsibly and create firm policies and the few, the very few that that deviate from that, they'll punish and that will serve as a deterrent. So let's talk briefly about we're going to zoom in on one community here, O'Connorwalk. Okay. My neck of the woods and they just begged to their flat cameras, which I think was was a big mistake. And so Jim, you and I filed an open records request. We do our homework. We don't just spout off on social media. We said, let's see how one community, one agency is actually using this technology. And so

1:03:45we picked O'Connorwalk. And it's one of the multiple Walker, Shakhani communities that Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty is currently suing. They want warrants. And so they've sued pretty much every police agency through the municipalities in Walker, Shakhani. They're lead plaintiff by the way. They're suing on behalf of the Green Party's nominee for Secretary of State Pete Caris. He's a goofball from out in Musqueh. You've got like, wait, what is going on? Like you've got well who I historically have had great respect for. And they're banding with the Green Party's nominee. I like what what is have new anyway. So we filed these open records requests and we get back the audit logs from O'Connorwalk PD. Do you want to talk a little bit about what we found there? I don't have it pulled up in front of me. So if you can go ahead. Yeah, okay. I can take that one. So so we found that they first of all, they have detailed audit logs. And they require if an officer is going to do a query into this flat system, they need a case number and they log the

1:04:50case number. They have to have an articulable law enforcement reason for doing research. And so again, it speaks to the fact that the officers are not randomly trawling through all of this. They know what they're looking for. So in the case of O'Connorwalk, there were 128 searches that they had done in one of these 30 day time frames. And they had either plates or they had descriptions of cars. And the reasons they were doing the searches, sex offenses, larceny, a car jacking situation, homicide, assault, financial crime, 56 of the 128 queries were for stolen cars. Basically, they have a plate of a stolen car. And they're they're putting it in the system to see if it was picked up by the flock. There was also a homicide case in O'Connorwalk where the police were able

1:05:50to solve the homicide. It was a terrible situation of an elderly man, very beloved individual in the community, who was struck by a car while riding a lawnmower tractor kind of thing. And the you know, the suspect took off. And it was interesting how they were able to find him. They had debris on the road. And they were able to figure out the make and model of the car, but they didn't have a plate. And they actually had some ring camera footage on the front end of this and it didn't show enough. They picked up the car using the O'Connorwalk high school flock. It picked up the same car. And they knew the make and model from the debris. And they were able to get the plate and figure out the suspect name. Catch him. He later got convicted. They solved that homicide case. Okay. So that is how O'Connorwalk was using flock. Now, Den Lenington of Will has made a big deal about the fact, oh, all of these outside law enforcement agencies are searching everyone else's

1:06:50flocks. So like O'Connorwalk did its 128 queries, but other agencies, Walker, Shah, Kenosha, MPD, agencies from out of state, they were also doing queries of O'Connorwalk's flock. Can you explain Jim what's happening there when there are all these other agencies? Yeah, I think that was really disingenuous for them to put that out. And I don't know if they did that purposely or if they really didn't understand it, but that's an important point. So what it means is that O'Connorwalk police department or their flock camera system was part of a nationwide system. Okay. And so let's say there's a police officer in California that's looking for, you know, they have a homicide and they want to see where that vehicle has been or where it is right now. They'll do a nationwide query of that plate. All right. So then there's a nationwide search done of every database in the country looking for that vehicle. And so that counts kind of as a pin your query against O'Connorwalk. So wasn't that California cops were checking, oh,

1:07:56what's going on in O'Connorwalk? It's just that it was made part, a cool kind of walk was made part of that search query. Does that make sense? Yes. And an example of this that came out in the O'Connorwalk audit log is there was a motel rape investigation in Kenosha and they had the plate and they wanted to find the suspect who took off. And so they did a search. I don't know if they went nationwide with that one or just statewide, but O'Connorwalk was in that. Okay. It was just in the search, you know, geographic area. And why did they do that? Was this accused rapist in O'Connorwalk? Who knows? Kenosha didn't know where he went, right? They want to find out where he went so they can get him off the street before he tack someone else, possibly. And if someone who lives near O'Connorwalk, personally, I would like the police to know if a rape suspect drives into O'Connorwalk. And so what they're doing is they have kind of like a hit list, like an

1:08:59active list of these plates that they're looking for as well that they're sort of running against the system that in a flag if oh this homicide suspect drives into O'Connorwalk. Correct. You know, and that's similar to what happened in Brookfield. And I thought the media was really responsible on how they handled this. They made it sound like flock was the one that was responsible for a bad stop. It was a stop regarding a female with stop because her car was flagged by a flock camera as being wanted in a homicide. However, it turns out that that vehicle had been stopped a few weeks prior, but Milwaukee police failed to take the want out of the system. So in that case, the flock camera system actually did its job. It was Milwaukee police departments failure to take that want out. And so I think that's real important because again, it's what information's fed into the flock and into the time system is what police officers act on. And if it's if if if Milwaukee police fail to take it out while flocking in Brookfield cops can't

1:10:03help that they acted on that information. So one thing I think is interesting. People don't seem to know this. Some people don't. I'm not trying to saw scolding, but ALPR, it's license plate readers, automated license plate readers have existed since 1976. And they've been used for years. And flock has been used in Wisconsin for about six years. And so it's interesting to me. There was no hue and cry, you know, until recently. I was speaking with the former detective from Milwaukee police department and he he set pointed out, you know, they before they got flock a couple years ago, they did have license plate readers. The differences they were mounted on squad cars. So they were mobile readers. And so I yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, I think that we've actually had it for about 15 years, automatic license plate readers that I'm aware of. And I know like Milwaukee, I think it's had a month for roughly 10 years. Like it's been in Milwaukee County for quite a while now. It's just this summer with, you know, with the incidence of the cost misusing at that.

1:11:09It's really becoming issue. It's a bit like the shark attacks where the media are all over it. And every day I go on, you know, online and I see another liberal media story bashing police over this to be honest. Right. And that's why I think that's what our mission is is just to make sure that we get out the other side of the story. Listen, this flock hammer is the way I look at it is through the history of crime fighting, right? We've had fingerprints. We've had DNA. Those are some real big, big milestones in crime fighting. And each time those came out, there were similar controversies. People were concerned about privacy, about access and everything else. And they were rightfully so concerns. But we as a society, we took it, we addressed it. We created laws and guardrails on how to use that. And now you never, you don't hear anyone objecting to the use of DNA or fingerprints. And look how often it's used. I mean, probably thousands of times a day in

1:12:11this country to solve crimes. And I look at flock is a similar crime fighting tool. It's one more tool in the tool bag. We just have to make sure that we put, we put guardrails on it so to minimize its misuse. So let's talk about the Shaboygan situation. One Chris isn't, I hear a lot about flock, is people, you don't say, that flock is selling five years of personal information. This came out in Shaboygan. And so that they weren't honest and they weren't, you know, they weren't, we're keeping data because the law enforcement agencies, you know, flocks rhetoric is the law enforcement agencies and the municipalities own the data. The client owns the data, the photos of the plates and the cars. And they're on different retention schedules, which tend to range from seven days to 30. And then it's wiped out and it's supposed to be completely gone. And so then it came out there's this five year thing. So what have you learned about that? So right. So what flock is doing is they are selling

1:13:13the autonomous data, meaning, you know, traffic counts, okay, statistics on what their cameras did. Not so much, they're not talking about individual license plates or vehicles, but overall traffic study statistics. That's the data that they kept and that they're selling. Yeah, it's, it's anonymous statistical data. It's, it's things like there were 20 cars at 2 p.m. on Blumon Road and Barker or whatever. And they're selling that those statistics to village planners for traffic congestion planning. So they're not, they don't have the photos or the plates or identifying information. It's just raw statistics. Now, I personally think that agencies should be able to opt out of that part. You know, that's what, that's one guardrail I would want. But that's what that is. So I think there's a lot of misconceptions about that. If you can stick around Jim, I have taken a break. We come back. I want to talk a little bit about warrants and about the Fourth Amendment.

1:14:16I think when you're diagnosed with cancer, you crave a semblance of normalcy in control and so work allowed me to be me. So I think it's really important that companies stay flexible. Cancer in a diagnosis can be all consuming, but it doesn't have to be. Research shows there is a significant connection between the ability to continue to work and cancer recovery. We can make work a better place for healing. Learn more and sign the pledge at workingwithcanserpledge.com. Everyone. Break down some of the other myths that you think people have about this technology. Stand the only information that the flight camera's going to pick up is a photo of your car in the lights display. That said, nothing about occupancies. There's no face recognition. There's no laser. I've never heard crazy stuff. Lasers are scanning people's faces that they go by. Even just today, I was talking to a colleague that was under the belief that the camera is somehow

1:15:18hooked into people's Bluetooth and hotspots as they go by, identify them and they're cell phones or anything else. Like some really crazy stuff. So I might make it clear. Flot does not do any of those things that simply takes a photo of the vehicle, including the license plate and then the description of the car. That's it. I mean, I think sometimes you see a little bit around it, but they're not trying to look in the car and track you basically. They're trying. Right. Really, the flight cameras are only taking photos of what is in the public view anyways. It's no different than if I went and set up a camera at the side of the road and took pictures of cars going by. I'm not taking pictures of people inside their cars or their faces or scanning into their phones. None of that is happening. You know, flight cameras do not track you everywhere you go. It's a simple snapshot in time when you pass a location. That's it. So will in its lawsuit

1:16:24against basically all the major police agencies in Warkershire County through the municipalities, is arguing there should be warrants. And I'm going to talk about the fourth amendment analysis. But as a former law enforcement officer, can you give us a sense of the warrant issue? I've talked to a lot of cops who say, warrants, it sounds good as a sum bite, but in real life, it wouldn't be practical and it would make this technology almost unusable in some cases. That's right. As a matter of fact, I even got pushed back from some law enforcement administrators saying, listen, even just to ask officers to get a supervisor sign off sometimes could be really difficult because cops, especially in Milwaukee, are working hundreds of cases and they need to be able to get in their squad if they have a report of arm robbery. They want to get in their squad access F-flot database right away to find out where that car has been like in the last 10 or 15 minutes. They don't have time even for, you know, call a supervisor, explain to a supervisor, get a

1:17:27sign off there. So even that's been a little bit of a challenge. But to then expect coppers or police officers to go and get a warrant at three o'clock in the morning, try, good luck trying to call up some liberal judge and explain it to them, complete enough of David, have that sign up just because you simply want to know where a vehicle has been that just committed arm robbery. It's really not workable and it's unnecessary. The fourth amendment does not require a warrant to search for as far as I'm concerned and that's really been the opinion of almost every court in the country. And, you know, I think I'll break that down at the top of the next hour. I want to kind of give you the last two minutes here before I have to go to my final break. But I'm going to do the case law breakdown and we did a deep dive into the constitutionality, you know, of this technology, what the courts have said. So I want you to take the last like minute and a half here and explain to people which guardrails you would recommend. Like, I mean,

1:18:31obviously people are scared. AI is happening too fast. We all know what happened during COVID that, you know, people are afraid of that. And that's reasonable. So what guardrails? Yeah. Yeah. So, some of the guardrails that I think that we need to come together and something that will be working on the next session. I think we want to make it clear. And I think all cops know it anyways, but a flock hit in itself never justifies an arrest or a warrant, right? Please still have to do their jobs. Block is just one tool to gather the probable cause to make an arrest. I do believe that we should ask that supervisors sign off on searches. Now, there may be certain situations on single, let's say single member police departments that don't have a supervisor working. We're going to have to figure out how we would deal with that. But I think basically we should have supervisors sign off on every flock search. I think every flock shirt search should include a case number. And the reason why the searches needed. I think all data needs to be deleted for sure after 30 days. I

1:19:32might even be willing to tighten that up a little bit to 21 or 28 days. No selling. They're not selling it now, but I think I would go in state law that no date of can be sold to any third parties moving forward. I want to make sure that the databases are protected even from open records requests. There's a little bit of a concern that the public would be able to do open records request and get some of that data. That again, for stocking reasons, I think we need to control that. But again, at the end of the day, I believe in local control. And I think every community has the right to make that decision ultimately. If they want to be involved with flock cameras, I do not want to create legislation that would ban flock cameras throughout the state. I think that would be a serious mistake. One more thing I'd like to close with, Jessica. You know, yeah, 20 seconds. All right. It's not just about building cases against people. It's also vindicating people, talk to defense attorneys in which flock actually vindicated their client.

1:20:37And in a case, we're going to be publishing soon. Washington County talks about a case in which how people were actually vindicated and I hit and run and exonerated. Yes. Okay. Thank you, sir. And stay tuned. I'm going to break down the case law at the top of the hour. I think when you're diagnosed with cancer, you crave a semblance of normalcy in control. And so work allowed me to be me. So I think it's really important that companies stay flexible. Cancer in a diagnosis can be all consuming, but it doesn't have to be. Research shows there is a significant connection between the ability to continue to work and cancer recovery. We can make work a better place for healing. Learn more and sign the pledge at workingwithcancerpledge.com. We will be speaking with Brooke Rollins. She is the US Secretary of Agriculture. She asked to come on the show for about 10 minutes. She's got some important messages to impart. But first, just when you think you've heard it all, you get a press

1:21:40release like this. I received, and sorry for the graphic language, it was kind of graphic. I received a press release during the break from Tom Tiffany for governor. And the headline is, drum roll, please. David Crawley's peeing rant leaves taxpayers footing the bill. He says, yesterday, David Crawley admitted he has no plan to pay for his massive government spending when asked, Crawley went on an unhinged rant about peeing. I don't know where to come from. I created a couple months ago. Those of you follow me on social media know this already. I created these essays and calling them just notes. Originally, they were cliff notes. And then Jim P. Varchek, who co-founded Wisconsin right now with me, said, they're way too long to be cliff notes and told me to shorten them. And he's not wrong because I tend to ramble.

1:22:43So I'm trying to keep them tighter. Anyway, there are these satirical humor takes on addities and absurdities in the political races in Wisconsin. And you know, I basically just decided at a certain point earlier this summer that I'm not taking this so seriously anymore. I mean, these are clowns. This is a clown show. And I'm going to treat them like the circus they're in. Basically, I was referring, I was referring at that time to the democratic primary clowns. And so when I see something goofy, I do adjust notes. So you know I'm going to do adjust notes on the David Crawley peeing press release. Now, what did he, he say, he actually did give a quote about peeing to channel 58. And he said, he was talking about Tom Tiffany and Donald Trump. He said, when you look at what Congressman Tom Tiffany and Donald Trump are doing, they're peeing on us

1:23:45and telling us it's raining. It's time to fight back just a bizarre quote from a honestly uninspiring candidate. And to be honest, David Crawley was never the Democrat's best candidate for governor. I always thought that was Joel Brennan. But no, they elevated Crawley. Every time he opens his mouth, it's sort of this goofy stuff. He also said, when referring to his terrible fundraising and why he jetted off to Santa Monica to pal around with Hugo Chavez, defender Sean Penn and Kamala Harris instead of, you know, going to say Steven's point or Eagle River, he said, I never know how much I raised man. Honestly, I just fundraise. I never count it nor do I spend it. Oh, great. Is that how he handles like the books? Is that how he's going to deal with the state coffers with the budget? Oh, I just never count it. Well, he does spend it. He spends a lot, a lot of taxpayer money.

1:24:48He doesn't know how much he raises. Yeah, right. I mean, is that like Sarah Rodriguez didn't know how much he raised? Shouldn't a candidate know how much they raise? He's being outraged. That's why he doesn't want to just talk about it specifically. He knows exactly how much he's raising and spending. So just a weird, a weird interview. Okay. So going back to flock briefly, I promised you a case law analysis. So I don't really deep into the case law because the biggest argument people make is this is a violation of the Fourth Amendment. They say it's unconstitutional. And so there have been 45 roughly federal and state court rulings on license plate readers and some of them specifically deal with flock. They range from the fifth circuit appeals courts, trial courts and Alabama, Texas, some conservative communities as well. And they have consistently almost to the one found that flock searches are not a Fourth Amendment search. And the reason for that is because they're

1:25:52capturing public information. License plates are already mandated by the government. Your plate and your car, frankly, are public facing. And the cameras are capturing snapshots of the car when you are choosing to drive on a public street. So it's more of an analogy to like a toll booth taking a photo. A federal judge wrote in January, the courts have almost uniformly concluded that neither taking photos of the license plate of a vehicle in a public roadway, nor maintaining and querying a database of ALPR license plate reader photos constitute a warrantless search. Now, Scotus in a decision in the 1980s called NOTS had found that there was no reasonable expectation of privacy on a public road. That's applicable. There was also a New York case in 1986 finding there was no reasonable expectation of privacy over a VIN number. Wisconsin Constitution, it pretty much mirrors the Fourth Amendment. So it's not expected that

1:26:55there would be a big deviation there, although of course we have a liberal Supreme Court. And historically the ALPR flock criticism has come from the radical left DSA, ACLU BLM. There's a carpenter decision that was talking about cell phones and how they went into private spaces. But Scotus said its decision was very narrow and made it clear it didn't apply to surveillance videos. Because cell phones again, if law enforcement is trying to capture like geo-fensing data, things like that, there's of course a case on that. People carry the cell phone in their pocket. They walk into private homes with it. They go in and out of public and private spaces. That's not the case of ALPR and flock. And then of course, earlier this summer, there's the Chartres decision, a six-three decision by the US Supreme Court, which found that geo-fensing cell phone data location required a warrant, a warrant, that it's a Fourth Amendment search. This was also a Google

1:28:00location history, really. A geo-fence warrant for Google location history. But again, we're talking about ALPR and there have been courts since that decision who found that license plate readers, flock, kinds of things, are not as comprehensive as cell phone data. They're not as comprehensive as Google location data. That cell phones also do provide round-the-clock surveillance, whereas flock is snapshots. And there was a Washington court of public decision that found that flock is similar to officers visually searching a plate. They could stand on a street corner and get the same information. And Massachusetts found that some ALPR cameras on bridges were not a search because, well, even though they captured three months of cars crossing. And finally, there's a Norfolk

1:29:00case in Virginia. And originally the judge tried to suppress the data. This was flock-related. But it didn't survive on appeal. And the Virginia pellet court said it wasn't similar enough to cell phones. This case is important because there were 176 cameras in Norfolk, which is one city. And they had even logged one car at 526 times. Walker-Shakone has fewer flock, 120, and they're spread over a larger area. And so that's an appellate court decision. Now, Will, Wisconsin's new law and liberty, they're clearly trying, they even admit this, they're trying to develop the case law. They want to take char tree and apply it. They're hoping scotus will go against, for example, this Virginia appellate court. But there are key differences between char tree and Google location data and also cell phone geofencing, which I just articulated. The bottom line is that saying flock and ALPR technology is unconstitutional is a legal

1:30:02theory. It is not a fact. It's a legal theory. And the courts have consistently 45 courts have looked at this. They have consistently found that it is not because the data is inherently public facing. Now, I personally want to guard well as well that limits the number of these. I think you get a lot closer to being unconstitutional if they're all over the place. Like, it's capturing our every movement around the community. And so I think that, you know, some courts have sort of indicated that, you know, the density of the matters. And I would like to see communities put a limitation on the number of them. I think that's a good guardrail. The other point I wanted to make is that they find a lot of missing people and dementia patients to who sort of, you know, wander off and they get found a lot more quickly. I received a message from a prosecutor. He said, I just wanted to say that you are absolutely correct about everything to do with flock. I was a prosecutor in Milwaukee. And I can't remember a relevant case where we didn't have an

1:31:05immediately identifiable suspect, identifiable suspect where it was not a tool that was used once it was put into place. Even for something as simple as countering a suspect to deny being present, there are several cases where it was or directly led to a key piece of evidence. I believe a flat camera hit led to obtaining bank surveillance video, which had the suspect just outside of the location of the homicide shortly before the homicide. It appears the general public is confused how the information is collected, why it is not a violation of the fourth amendment. He compared it to, you know, toll booths capturing your plate. He said he considers himself a pragmatic libertarian, but he supports a limited use of the technology. And he believes that, you know, it should be restricted to the most serious cases like homicide or arm robberies. You can see a listing of those cases, including multiple homicides solved by MPD and partly because through the use of flock, you can see that on Wisconsin right now.com. We have multiple stories where we're rounding up in great detail some of those cases, including homicides. All right, stay tuned. We

1:32:11come back. We're going to speak with the Secretary of Agriculture, the US Secretary of Agriculture. Secretary Rollins, thank you for coming on the show. Oh, Jessica, it's so great to be with you. Thank you for having me. I've been on a few times before, but I think the first time with you. So great. Yes. I mean, it's a privilege to have you on. I appreciate it. So, coming to the chase, you're going to be our R in Wisconsin. You'll be touring the case tractor plant and we're seeing the world dairy expo is on your itinerary. Can you tell us what you're seeing on the ground in Wisconsin and why why you chose to come here for those things? Well, first of all, it has been an amazing day. We're not done yet. I started with the world dairy expo in Madison. I mean, that is amazing. It's 50,000 people over four days. Wisconsin is kind of the center of the world, frankly, for dairy and our incredible dairy farmers. So, got to meet with a lot of the dairy farmers,

1:33:11keynoted a piece of that and walked a, it met some of the cattle, 2500 cows from all over the country in Canada, 100 different countries represented. I mean, it's really special. 59th year, it's gone on. So, talking about the future of dairy in America and in the world, dairy is never, dairy is kind of having a moment. You know, we're getting home, back in schools. We've got more exports than ever before. We're at billions of dollars of new infrastructure being built as we're making America healthy again. So, what's the cool things there? And then we drove up to Racine. I just finished an awesome meeting and tour at the case factory when it's great American tractor companies and how important they are for our farmers and ranchers. So, that was really special. They're investing a ton of new money as manufacturing is coming back to America. And now, I'm headed to the G20. Got a lot of my counterparts in from around the world to talk about how to sell more of our ag products out into the world. So, a big day in Wisconsin.

1:34:16So, you know, there was a quote I read from you that interested me. You said there is no freedom without farm security. And I know you've spoken about your belief that food security is national security. Can you elaborate on that, explain that? Well, I think what we have lost over decades is that people, you know, in a country that 250 years ago at the founding 98 percent of our country were farmers. George Washington was a farmer. Thomas Jefferson was a farmer. The revolution was fought by farmers and tradesmen. And so, through the years as happens with developed countries, you know, less and less people were on the farm. We became much more efficient. A lot of kids who were farm kids wanted to move to the city. And so, we've seen now that 98 percent over 250 years. Now, less than 2 percent of our Americans are actually farming the land. So, I think what's happened with that is people have lost sight about where their food comes from.

1:35:19And so, reconnecting the average American family and consumer with our great American farmers is so important because Jessica, if we can't feed ourselves, then we lose freedom. It is, it is as important as having a strong military, as having a secure border, the food supply, and making sure that we're not reliant on China or Brazil or other countries to feed us. Because when that happens, then you lose all your freedom. You might as well become a subject of the country of China or the country of Brazil if you can't feed yourself. So, that's why this is so important. And I know that this week there was this big Maha event in Washington, DC. And there is also this program called Harvest to Hallway involving healthy foods for schools, hospitals, military. Can you speak about how your agenda and your work as Secretary of Agriculture ties into the Maha agenda and explain what Harvest to Hallway is?

1:36:21Well, the Make America Healthy Again movement has really captured in a very nonpartisan way this moment in American history. We are the least healthy, the most overweight, most obese, most chronic disease of any time in American history, and of way more than any other developed country in the world. And what's shocking about that is we're also the most wealthy, the richest we've ever been. And I think we can all have a really educated guess as to why that is. We've stopped eating that more locally grown nutrient dense foods. As a society, there are a lot of exceptions to this, but as a society, our school lunches, the government provides 30 million free school lunches every day during the school year for our, you know, so we can all likely disadvantage students. And what is being snapped program, our food stamp program is a massive program, 38

1:37:24million Americans are on food stamps and the number one purchaser of taxpayer funded food stamps is soda. It's not chicken or milk or, you know, grapes or strawberries, it's soda. And right behind that is chips and junk food. So we're in a crisis. We're in a health crisis in this country. And the only way to solve it is for our farmers and ranchers have to be at the center of the conversation. Bobby Kennedy and I flipped the dietary guidelines earlier this year to put real food back at the center of nutrition policy in America. And what that means is putting a spotlight on locally grown beef, right? Locally grown vegetables, eating more protein, all of the above. It's not a difficult, it is not a difficult solution. It's just one that we've got to get back to the way. We used to do it a couple decades ago and we're making a ton of progress. Can you explain regenerative egg?

1:38:26That would be, in a sort of generative agriculture movement, is a real focus on the soil, on making sure that we're not overgrowing our crops, making sure that we are doing it in the most natural way possible. I think that there has been a really big focus on quantity over quality. And this is true across almost every industry. It's not just agriculture. But what we've done in that period of time, by the way, we've become the bread basket for the world. Our crop protections, like pesticides, et cetera, have allowed us to grow crops and food at a pace unseen in American or world history. You rarely, if ever, hear of starvation, at least in our country. And the reason for that is we are the most productive farm economy, farm industry in the world. And it's really an incredible testament to the men and women of agriculture. But on the other side of that is a lot

1:39:28of questions, the way that, you know, are we using too many chemicals to grow these crops? YAR, what is the alternative to that? It's not the regenerative agriculture that we are in partnership with Bobby Kennedy, putting a lot of time and effort. We are not and would never force any farmers to stop using specific chemicals that they believe are important. And by the way, that the EPA has approved its safe, I do want to say that. But if the farmer does want, a smaller farmer does want to invest in no-till crops, meaning, you know, letting the soil recover. If they want to use an organic effort to control pests by using other pests instead of chemicals, USDA has programs to support that. As some farmers or many farmers are looking for an off-ramp from the normal, typical chemical agriculture. I know you have a hardot in about a minute. So in conclusion, I was hoping you could talk a little bit about America.gov, how it ties in, you know,

1:40:31to your efforts and what it is exactly. Well, America.gov, we unveiled it yesterday. It is as in all things from Trump World, Donald Trump. It is a complete fundamental redo of the way that government interfaces with our constituents, with the American citizen. And 40 million people a day, whether it is getting a driver's license or signing up for SNAP benefits or signing up for a farm service agency program at USDA, the amount of people that are working, you know, to get an interfaith government, getting a passport is really big. But the problem is we're still using technology and websites from, you know, from a long time ago that are not user-friendly, that are just not really up to the standards of being the greatest country in the history of the world. So the president launched the American brand design studio back at the beginning of his

1:41:34second term with the idea that if we're going to be the best country in the world, we need to look and act like the best country in the world, including how we treat our own citizens. So America.gov is the first step in that direction. It is taking what is right now about 25,000 different government websites and working to integrate them, things like getting your passport fully online now, changing your name if you get married fully online, not having to go into these offices and wait for hours or days for an appointment. And really just making our government as user-friendly as if it's the private sector. And it was really cool to be a part of that yesterday. Secretary Rubio, our Secretary of State, showed everyone how you could sign up for a passport online versus having to go into offices and dealing with all of the paperwork. And we had a couple of other really cool people, innovators showing us Elon Musk who is there, the vice president was there, the president, almost our entire cabinet. Of course for agriculture, for our farmers, this is a

1:42:35very welcome effort to streamline and make their lives better. They shouldn't be spending time filling out paperwork. They've got to be in their fields producing and growing food for the world. So we're excited about it. America.gov, we, you know, it's the beginning, right? It's not perfect. We've got some more work to do by early next year. You'll see even more progress, but yesterday was a big day. Well, I know that I have to let you go. But thank you Secretary Rolens. I appreciate it. This has been really interesting. Thanks for coming on the show. People at work supported me while I was going through treatment by not treating me like somebody who was going through treatment. Treatment sucks. Answer sucks. Being engaged with work really helped too. I just knew I was going to beat this day. Research shows there is a significant connection between the ability to continue to work and cancer recovery. We can make work a better place for healing. Learn more and sign the pledge at workingwithcancerpledge.com.

1:43:35Did you hear about the canoe they found in Pihuake Lake? Let's mix it up for a minute. Let's let's go non-political for a couple minutes at least. I just think this is interesting. They found a 1000 year old indigenous dugout canoe in Pihuake Lake. It's the first historical discovery there. It's a white oak canoe and it was discovered 15 feet below the surface on the southern shore of Pihuake Lake. So this was discovered by a scuba diver named Mark Schachner, four seasons scuba diving. And it was preserved by the sediment. Apparently they found another canoe, very old ancient canoe in Pihuake Lake possibly in the 1930s. But they haven't been able to find really any records beyond a brief mention of that to document it. So I looked into the canoes.

1:44:38I just think I'm interested in history and culture and all of that. Anyway, there have been 100 ancient canoes found in Wisconsin. 16 of them were discovered in Lake Mendoza and the oldest was 1500 years old. The canoe in Pihuake Lake a thousand years old. I thought that was interesting. Now back to politics. Eric Tony is now supported by 75% of Wisconsin sheriffs in his bid to unseat lazy A-Wall, a G, Josh Call, who he's kind of like a prairie dog, Josh Call. He pops out of his hole like pops his head out of the hole like a prairie dog every now and then to launch a lawsuit against Donald Trump for some crazy lefty thing over gender ideology or

1:45:45immigration or whatever. And they're usually lawsuits that other AGs already filed. So he's just joining it. They would happen anyway. And that's how he sees his role and he pops his head out. He files these things and he goes back away. Meanwhile, the crime labs melting down and like the core functions of his office are melting down. So sheriffs in Wisconsin have noticed this and they want a change. They're done with Josh Call, the absent AG. Democrats, independence, Republicans. I mean, these are these are sheriffs of all different political backgrounds and they are saying we're done with Josh Call. We want Eric Tony as attorney general on the crime lab. I did a story for Wisconsin right now. You can find it there. What I did is I rounded up all of his excuses on the crime lab. It is a very long list. I would bore you to tears reading it. It's head spinning.

1:46:48It's like he's he's trotted out every excuse he can think of for a while. It was COVID. Then that evaporated. Blames the legislature. He blames new technology. Blames this. He blames that. Guess what, Josh? Call your excuses have run out. They ran out years ago. When will the media notice? When are the media going to start aggressively covering this race? It actually does Josh Call a favor that they don't. Because he's failed at the core functions of his office. But people don't know that because the media just refused to cover this very important race. I received a message. I won't name her, but it was from a reader and she said Eric Tony has my vote. He emailed me back regarding school predators in one day. Josh call hasn't replied to me in the 17 months that I've been working on safer schools. And I even heard that from Democrats. They say Josh call is regarded on the Democrat side as lazy lazy and not a team player. One guy who's on zoom calls with him. He never turns on his

1:47:53video. He sometimes he's not even on the calls. He's an A wall AG. He's the worst attorney general in Wisconsin history. And I wish people would wake up and start covering that race. Okay. Ranto. Speaking of the media, I know it's an old story now, but because I have a particular expertise in the media, I think I've been doing journalism in this state longer than any active reporter, except maybe Susan Kim, Charles Benson, they've been around a long time too. There's probably a couple of people commensurate. But I think you could argue. I've been doing journalism at least as long as anyone in the state who's still active. So I think I have a specific point of view on it. That's sort of interesting. So I want to talk about Spacuzzi gate. Mary Spacuzzi gate. I want to circle back on that. Obviously happen, you know, a few days back. This is the situation where the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter Mary Spacuzzi was blocked the horrors, right? Blocked

1:48:58from entering a round table that Tom Tiffany was holding on veterans. All right. First of all, I kind of laughed at first. I know this is, I don't know what some mean, but there's a guy named Eric Brooks. He's actually very smart. He's a legislative staffer. He's a very good walk us a school board member. So I'm not trying to pick on him or anything. Like I think he's a really intelligent guy. In fact, he's the guy that came up with the fact that Tony Evers referred to mothers as inseminated people. You all remember that. That was Eric Brooks. Like he went through 1600 pages of the budget or something crazy like that. And he came up with that angle. So he's a conservative warrior. Like very involved lots of stuff. He's the guy now working for Tom Tiffany that they unfortunately had playing the campaign bouncer. So he's the one on video, grainy cell phone video, blocking biased Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter Mary Spacuzzi from entering this round table.

1:50:04All right. And I admit in my just notes columns, these humorous takes, I made a little fun of his man bun. Maybe that was mean. I kind of think you shouldn't have a man bun unless you're a liberal or a samurai. I just might take, but we'll forgive Eric for the man bun because he's he's smart and he contributes so much to the conservative cause. And I have been told he's not the guy that made the call to block frazzled J.S. reporter Mary Spacuzzi from this event. Like he just got to play the bouncer. So it was his face all over the front page of the journal Sentinel. All right. First of all, Mary Spacuzzi I'm told was told in advance that she wasn't welcome at this event and showed up anyway cell phone in hand. So we know what she was trying to accomplish there. She she wanted the moment and they got it. And then they flag Tiffany with it for days. Okay. So was Tiffany's

1:51:10campaign right to do this is the journal Sentinel wrong? Like how do I break that down? Let me give you a nuanced view. Number one, Tom Tiffany's campaign is absolutely right to believe that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is biased. And no conservative I know believes that Mary Spacuzzi is fair. She for example had her name on the hit piece against Pat Snyder this kindly Republican who from Wasa who was in a swing legislative district. It's a ridiculous story. I thought invasive and embarrassing. I'm not going to repeat it because I don't know. I don't know. Feel sorry for Pat Snyder. It was just a ridiculous story. And then there's a Mandela Barnes. Her name was on that hit piece. Someone told me that she apparently thinks that's evidence of fairness that she did a hit piece on Barnes. No. They got the guy out of the way that the dumb establishment

1:52:16needed out of the way for their David Crowley plot to work against Hong because I believe if Mandela Barnes had stayed in the race that Crowley wouldn't want. And I think they knew that. Now I'm going to give you a little tip here. I'm very close to breaking a very very big story relating to that story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Not Spacuzzi. Well actually she her name's on it. So it's related. I'm going to have to leave it at that for now. But suffice it to say that the information I'm getting would point to the fact that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is even more biased than Tom Tiffany knows that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has no business at all in arguing that it's covered this governor's race fairly. And I'm very close to blowing the roof off of that story. But I document everything before I I do it. So stay tuned on that. There are many examples

1:53:19of their unfairness. Now I think Tiffany's side was upset about the three billionaires stories like how hor hor hor horrors you know oh no you know Tiffany's being funded by Dickey line and I think it was Liz Yuline and Diane Hendrix. Well you know what they they run major Wisconsin companies. They have a stake in the state. What what's upsetting people on the left right now is the fact that Tiffany's out raising Crowley and there's panic setting in on on the left. I actually didn't have a problem with the three billionaires story. I mean it's news who's funding him. My issue is that they don't aggressively cover the Democrats fundraising trail in the same way. So it took Jim people of our chicken. I it Wisconsin right now to first break the story about Epstein Island visitor Reid Hoffman being this massive funder of Democrats for years in

1:54:20Wisconsin. And I got a tip on that some guy said why is no one reported this. And I looked into like wow he gave like millions and millions of dollars. So all long Ben Wickler who was then running the Wisconsin Democratic Party was being praised as this great fundraiser. It's a myth. He wasn't a great fundraiser. He was getting millions of dollars from an Epstein Island visitor Reid Hoffman. And why did it take Wisconsin right now to break that angle? So that that's where the bias sets in. Maybe this one story on billionaires is justified but they're not covering Democrats as aggressively. All right but number two here's the nuance part. I think it's an unforced error by Tiffany. It was an unforced error. If I'm advising him I would have said just let her in don't call on her. That's probably what Carolyn love it would have done right. Kind of what Sarah Rodriguez did to me when I crashed her press conference just didn't call on me or find a way to flip the questions. You know they bring up the three billionaires well there's

1:55:24success success stories right they run these huge Wisconsin companies and now let's talk about Reid Hoffman. I think Tom Tiffany could handle that. I know Eric Tony can handle that. These guys are very good at dealing with tough questions. And it was incredibly predictable how the media would respond to Spacusa being blocked. I think they circled her like a wounded calf from their own herd. Painting Tom Tiffany and Eric Brooks as the hyenas circling the prey. Meanwhile double standard. So Evers trot's out he says I'm fair. I am always nice to reporters. I always talk to them. No actually you don't. He banned Matt Kittle McIver Institute from his media list so they can't figure out you know where he's when he's holding press events. Wisconsin reporter journalist another conservative journalist couldn't get on that. There was a lawsuit though involving McIver.

1:56:26McIver sued and lost and the court said Evers you can't engage in viewpoint discrimination but McIver's a policy think tank you also excluded a left wing policy think tank and that they could they could do that. Well guess what I I did then. I applied to get on the media list for Evers and they have not responded. His PR spokes bot Brit Kudabok went on a tirade unhinged late night tirade against Dan O'Donnell and then it I defended him and it extended to Wisconsin right now. And she insulted Dan basically said need you need not apply. Went on a wholesale tirade about Wisconsin right now and Dan we're not journalists. You know you think you're a journalist. You bloggers. You're tweeting. No actually Dan runs a major conservative news site the Heartland Post that breaks news and scoops the media all the time and Wisconsin right now does the same

1:57:31major massive audience millions and millions of readers huge social reach and we break stories all of the time that the liberal media missed. So it's ridiculous. So I have also filed an open records request. I've been a journalist 34 years. We are not longer than Spakusa probably one more awards than her at least equal and Dan O'Donnell used to be a news reporter news anchor. He's got a law degree and he obviously has massive reach through this radio station and this microphone which obviously I also occasionally get to have. The more that Evers administration blocks conservative journalists the more of us they do it to the more it's starting to look less like they're doing a specific policy against one thing tank and more like it's a wholesale assault against conservative media and that is viewpoint discrimination and by the way that's a bigger deal than what Tom Tiffany did because it's government doing it and anyone who knows what

1:58:37the First Amendment stands for knows that it's a bigger concern when it's government engaging in the viewpoint discrimination then when it's a candidate excluding a frazzled reporter from a private campaign event. So I think the mistreatment by the Evers administration of conservative journalists in the state myself Dan O'Donnell Matt Kiddell in the past and there's a guy Adam Tobias to believe his name is conservative also you know targeted I think that's a bigger story than the Mary Spakusa gate and I blew this up all over social we did a story and guess what not a single legacy media reporter expressed outrage not one of them did a story about the tie raid of Brick Kudabok against journalists about the exclusion for years of conservative journalists

1:59:40from the media list. So spare me the outrage until you deal with the hypocrisy. You can't argue that Dan and I are think tanks or not policy think tanks. We're journalists. We're just journalists whose opinions they don't like and by the way journalists can have opinions. Microeco, marine doubt, Charles Crowdhammer, the founding fathers believed in a partisan press Benjamin Franklin had a newspaper the objective model came later in the 1800s with the penny press. All right thanks for joining me everybody I had fun always have fun taking over this microphone appreciate the opportunity and please check out some of our stories and Wisconsin right now and have a really good evening. When I was diagnosed all I wanted to do was get back to work I wanted to get back to that trajectory that I was on prior to the cancer.

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