Joe Burrow says he's not going anywhere, do you believe him?

0:00It's a three o'clock hour. I'm not wafering. I might be wafering on afternoon drive. Ashley Bass dot coming up in about 20 minutes, Ross Tucker, Odyssey NFL insider in about one hours time. But if you missed a moment in our show, use the rewind feature on the Odyssey, powered by integrated restoration, your local experts in water, fire and storm disaster restoration. One of the biggest storylines this off season though in the Fc North was wild Baltimore had changed at the head coach spot while Pittsburgh had changed the head coaching spot. The Browns had all sorts of change, but certainly at the head coaching spot and certainly ambiguity at the quarterback spot. It was more about the future of Joe Burrow and whether he would lose patience with the the bangles in ability to build a winner around him. So it's pretty noteworthy when this week is a matter of fact yesterday he came out and said that he's not going anywhere and that he plans to be in Cincinnati for the rest of his career. I thought there was a really interesting thing for him to say

1:06when he spent the entirety of the off season allowing the ambiguity to put pressure on the bangles to do moves he wanted, namely, trend and the 10th pick in the draft for Dexter Lawrence. I mean, I think just nobody believed him when he put that out there, right? I mean, that's it was on the bangles website of all things and I just I'm not taking him that's not gospel to me. That's not something that I feel like I'm going to hold Joe Burrow to a year from now. And so maybe listen, this might end up being you me having confirmation bias for how I've thought and I think maybe you too. I think Joe wants to appear to be tough on the bangles and I do think he wants to use in leverages power to get the moves that he thinks will will be difference makers done. But I don't think Joe, I've never thought Joe has the stomach to do what certainly to Sean Watson did to get out of Houston, right? Where he to Sean Watson came out and I think it was early February and it was just like I don't want to be here anymore. Trade me people forget that all the allegations came about a month afterwards and that's where everything kind of fell apart. So I buy that I think this is what Joe Burrow wants.

2:08I don't think Joe, I don't think Joe Burrow wants to be the bad guy to NFL fans because I think he understands what a leap you take out there. If you do something like that and then I think to Sean Watson is this signal for everyone. If you if you do it and then you don't land the plane, you become one of the most hated people in the NFL. Yeah, I mean, wait, and I understand there, there's obviously there's stones attached to making that move and pissing off a whole entire fan base. And I think he's got to be happy. They went out and got extra war. It's a gotcha out of an alley. They reworked that defensive line, but something's got to change after this year if he doesn't get the job done. And so like I if I'm Joe Burrow, if I was just advising Joe Burrow, you got to accept the idea you might piss off fans and since it's an added, but you can't continue to miss the postseason. Three straight years, you then make it four straight years. I'm not making the postseason and you can look at that cheap franchise and how they're scouting department is essentially two guys in a broom closet. Like I you just you got to get somewhere else if that's the case. So I think I think the discrepancy here is I don't think Joe cares about the the dearth of scouts.

3:09I don't think Joe cares about a limited coaching staff. I think he looks at it and goes, did you trade for Dexter Lawrence? Yes or no? Did you sign Orlando Brown or trade for Orlando Brown and send him to a contract extension? Did you pay my wide receivers? I think from that standpoint every time he's he's applied pressure to them, they have responded with some sort of move. Like I understand if Joe I disagree because I think they could have done more, but I can understand if Joe looks at this and says, well, I asked for things they gave them to me. Now let's see if they can work out. Yeah, I just feel like his thinking is going to eventually turn into man. I'm really just putting the whole entire organization on my back. And there's other organizations you can go to you can go to the Rams, let's say and all of a sudden Sean McVey is top not to let's need is top not. They're spending money hand over fist. They have defense defense that is built up with so many different players. They have offensive weapons and always replenish because McVey is one of the very best. Like there's so many different ways that you can make your football life easier. And Ohio Joe is just made it incredibly hard on himself. I just think especially when it comes to quarterback. That's the one spot that that's what made Dishon Watson so unique five years ago.

4:17Is this just doesn't happen franchise quarter guys that are unanimously agreed to be top five quarterbacks. They like something dramatic has to happen to cause the schism that for especially now where you're going to get your 55 to 65 to 75 million dollars a year. No matter where you go. Isn't missing the playoffs for four straight years dramatic though like that I will get missing the playoffs for four straight years. I've spent the problem half the time. I mean yeah you could point to his injuries for sure. And I think that would be one great response back is like where's Joe's ownership of all this as well. But if I was Joe I'd look at it is easier to just go get me in a more stable place with the better head coach with and just kind of make that work and give myself new scenery. Do the Matthew Stafford get myself new scenery and give myself an easy existence instead of trying to work so hard and Cincinnati. I think if you're the Bengals you can look back and say we've done more to support you than we ever did Carson Palmer and certainly what we did for any dog. No they're not wrong but is that support enough is that is that anywhere close to the stratosphere that some of these other teams could offer up and for Joe.

5:20I mean you'd have to tell yourself there's a lot of other teams out there that could just make your life a lot easier. Yeah but you're comparing them to the crem de la crem of very aggressive teams that are backed by super ownership. I put what the what the Bengals have done to support Joe up against what the Cowboys have done to give Dak press got a better chance to win every other year like hey a Marley Cooper really. But Dak can't for the problem for because they didn't want to pay him same thing with Mike apart from is the Dak can't force his hand that same way he's not perceived to be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. He's very good but he's not perceived to be the Joe burrow level like Joe's at a spot where if he's if he gets moved and if he gets if he wants out this isn't this isn't going to be for some. Ragtag operation like he's going to go to the crem de la crem that we're talking about so comparatively he has to look at it relative to what he's currently being offered and what he can be off I think Joe burrow is proving it. I think he's proven the point that he doesn't have the Cahoney's he didn't have whatever whatever you think it takes to force your way to Cincinnati I think he's proved that for the last three years he could have exercised that power at any point and honestly this is a we'll see it play out thing.

6:29But I think he was going to do it I think last year's the year that should have broke him they they screwed around train handrakes in which certainly impacted where that defense was anyways they didn't they haven't drafted well enough they've allowed starters to walk off. And not be replaced and replenished certainly on the defensive set of the ball year in year out I think if Joe was going to do it this last offseason made the most amount of sense and then they went out and they traded for Dexter Lawrence and they added boy Mafe and they added a couple other pieces that I think again I think I think they really sat tight in offseason ago where he was allowed to be pissed I don't think he's allowed to be I'm not allowed he ever was allowed to but I don't think he has a leg to stand on with the I mean you thought he should have been a little bit more. I mean you thought he should have already been brought by the organization then I'd miss in the playoffs won't do anything to help that well no I mean I think if last year didn't break him how that went down when he was healthy for a part of that season yeah I don't I don't know what's going to be worse than last year I think I think in activities probably upset more than anything but I think you're just adding on I think I don't think Joe one of the realization or was coming to the realization that since an ad is not the best spot for him I think when they went to the Super Bowl in year two he looked at it like wow.

7:40I can go here all the time this is fantastic I just let's let's do this a lot and obviously you wake up four years later and that's just not the case for two on six four seven four 0092 Joe borrows says he's not going anywhere doing the old wolf a wall street in fairness honest did that like the deadline and then end up going and saying something about yeah that's this is just kind of what does that we do sometimes that's the NBA versus the NFL the NFL specific quarterback Dishon's really the only guy can think of at that level my my old Garrett though did that same song and dance to hear about that's an ad pressure every there's like five players that to which they are endlessly valued and you simply cannot trade them in any way in a discord or backs. I've got to admit the idea that they were talking about like I'm not going anywhere and then going anywhere. We're talking quarterback exclusively trades and we got to go back to the Matthew Stafford one but again Detroit treated treated Matthew Stafford way worse than what Joe borrows being treated at Cincinnati but ultimately if he if he once he starts realizing he's not being treated or not being considered to be a top five quarterback in the sport anymore and I think missing the playoffs for

8:48four straight years people will start to get hit to that I think that's when you're going to start in a you're going to start to see Joe break a little bit now I did put my AFC North predictions out on Nick talk and I will tell you actually the only thing I think they can actually sink the bangles this year from being a playoff team is Joe borrows health I think the defense is going to be good enough I don't think it's going to be great but I think it's going to be good enough and I think if you have a the 17th best defense with that offense I think it's a like just calm them down for 10 wins and don't even question. Well, so this is the other side of this right is if Cincinnati does have a great season then that would all but basically lock up Joe borrows until the end of time in Cincinnati you know then we got 10 more years of him in Cincinnati that's why this season so it just matters so much I think if you want to make the case that it falls on Joe borrows remaining healthy I think that's a strong case to make like there's been people that have wondered if Joe borrows gets injured this year with the bangles be wise to trade Joe borrows for the number one overall pick whoever has that you know like that idea of what is what is actually

9:51going to give you more in return somebody that gets has been injured then for three out of four years or someone that you could pay arch for the nettings right there let's draft them instead and you could dangle Joe borrows to the jets let's say and with the jets taken or not it's just an interesting thought exercise actually best out Cleveland dot com the orange and brown talk podcast talk whether the browns are getting a motivated to get a chance in this year and expectations for week one against Jacksonville in five minutes on 92 through the fan.