Kevin Sterling: Ozark Atlantis

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2:20You know I'm beginning to see that there is good evidence for a kind of a community. I don't know if this is purposeful or not, but it's beginning to feel like it. Restrictions and fences put up on research that uncovers evidence of ancient cultures. One of the big ones that happened almost two and a half decades is the Great Sphinx in Egypt. When I say resistance to change, resistance to new information, I'm speaking of John Anthony West and Robert Shock, who basically identified this thing as much older. He did the weathered stone that the Sphinx has cut from as being almost 10,000 years earlier than what has been predicted. Now I'm finding the same evidence in the case of the Sphinx with regards to the head of

3:28the Sphinx. What is amazing for me is I have been using chat and the Clawed AI systems to analyze the body of the Sphinx and the head. What keeps coming up is two parts, the body and the head. It looks like the head that we see today has two major issues. The first issue is that it is cut from stone or actually my analysis or AI's analysis. It was another head that was attached to the original body of the Sphinx. What is amazing is I've been doing testing and asking chat to put a head on the Sphinx that is proportional to the body. This is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients.

4:29I have to tell you, this is fun. AI is a great deal of fun and I have been using it over the last seven months, not only to complete my book on the Maya, but also working on a second book, tentatively called the Giants of Ancient Egypt or the Colossae of Ancient Egypt. One of the early discoveries was the Sphinx issue. Mark Lairner, most people don't even know who this guy is, but he is the American version. He is an Egyptologist. He is a version of Zaheehawaz, which is a whole world knows. Zaheehawaz isn't very honorable character. He has a lot of problems associated with him, including at one time selling antiquities and being jailed for it. Then subsequently released because there really was no one to speak for the Egyptological

5:34community of Egypt. Any along story short, Mark Lairner wrote a paper on the Sphinx and specifically describes the head as being the same material as the body. Well, how can that be when you look at the deep, deep weathering of the body of the Sphinx and you compare it to the head, it's two kinds of stone. When he makes his case in this paper that I discovered with AI, this paper was written like in the 1970s, late 1970s. When you read his assessment, it's crazy. Now, Cliff Dunning is not an Egyptologist. Cliff Dunning is not an archaeology, but Cliff Dunning is an artist who spent a great deal of time as a sculptor, a study sculpture in college. When you look at the Sphinx from a sculptor's point of view, it's a mess.

6:42It's a complete mess. Now, what am I saying here? We're talking about proportionality. The head must fit the body, must fit the legs, must fit the tail, must fit the whole structure. If you look at most of the Sphinx sculptures that we have left to us, they're all beautifully carved and very proportional. Why would these brilliant sculptors create Sphinx with a disproportional head? Well, they wouldn't. This is a repair job. This is my proposition to the reader in this new book that the head came much later. We don't know how much later, but there's a lot of clues that I've discovered through AI, and one of them is that there's a huge dow opening on the right side of the head

7:42of the Sphinx that held some form of either a dowel or an opening that was used as the plug to port the lower section of this addition. It also looks like they, and I'm still looking into this, it looks like they put this head on in sections. Well, Leroy wants us to believe it's the same material, the same stone, limestone that was used in the body of the Sphinx. It's not. It's not. So, you have to think, why is a resistance to the possibility that this is not the original head, and also they're repairing the original body of the Sphinx, extremely, extremely old? So, the book, the colossal of the ancient Egypt, is just a fascination of mine. As you know, if you follow me, these huge multi-ton sculptures are just, I mean, there's

8:44nowhere else in the world that you find them, and that's why this book's being developed because I keep fighting these monstrosities. Excuse me, we were in Tannis earlier this year, and there's so many of these monstrosities laying around. It's like, what is this all about? It's not easy to carve a block of 100, 200, 500 ton granite into an elegantly proportional sculpture. There's a lot up. There's a lot to it that we are beginning to discover. And so, I'm not in the family of this. Lots to think about. Lots to talk about. But the Grace Sphinx, oh, and by the way, I have a series of photographs you can see that are proportional Sphinx bodies and heads on the Facebook page under the ancients, or you can see it on Cliff Dunning, my profile.

9:47It's curious because I've had a couple of different Egyptologists say, of course Mark Lerner is correct. He's an Egyptologist. Well, he's not a sculptor, and he doesn't get the fact that the Egyptian sculptor were very astute in their ability to render a perfectly proportional Sphinx. The Grace Sphinx in Egypt is not proportional, and I show it. And I'm going to continue to show it. So, fun, fun, fun, lots of fun. Oh, and the other thing is, when you're not an Egyptologist and you make claim and you talk about what you're uncovering, they get very unhappy because you're pushing against the grain. But that's what we're all about here on Earth Angels, and we've had years of top researchers who are pushing the envelope, Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, even John Anthony West, many, many years ago. So, all kinds of great steps to consider.

10:48We got a good one today. It's on the belief that there was a settlement in the Ozarks of Arkansas that are descendants of Atlantinians, and the evidence is kind of fun, you consider. So, today's program is Ozark Atlantis, the hidden refuge of giants in the lost civilization and my guest is Kevin Sterling.

11:59A few of questions about the younger dryus catastrophe. We've had a number of people on the program speaking of the demise of a place known as Atlantis, the Maya call it Atlan. And a number of people have thought that the survivors of this devastation would migrate to the United States, current United States. It was North America, obviously, then. There's a question with indigenous archaeologists that many of these settlements may have come from Atlantis, but of course it's under a different name. My guest today believes that there was a migration from Atlantis and has written a new book called Ozark Atlantis in which he makes a claim. And we're going to hear about this today that there are major settlements in Arkansas and throughout the Eastern United States that were from Atlantis.

13:01We're going to find out more about it. My guest today is Kevin Sterling. He has written this new book. He's written other books too, and we're going to find out just exactly what he has found. He's a researcher, and I've known him for a few years. He's written some other books that we'll talk about later in the program. So, Kevin, welcome to Earth Ange. It's great to have you on the program. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm glad to be here. Give us a sense of your research and what is your trigger points in terms of evidence, artifacts, ruin, buildings, gravesites, whatever that you think are from Atlantis. Well, of course, I want to cover my academic background. I have a great degree for me as you in anthropology or history. When I wrote recently, our Grand Hancock's author, the Montpietitur, Ange Ozarks, which was a very grounded, typical, mainstream book.

14:04It's just surprising in each of that one. However, you asked me about my theory in that. When I believe, rather than like Atlantis where all the cultures came from, I believe in this case, there were people I agree with, and you call them, that there were land masses around the Caribbean, which he calls Atlantis, but I think it's just, I just figure out that it was a large population of civilized people. Of course, it became to the point where it was overtaken by water, and it began to migrate through Florida. They created the Miami Circle. They sell that weeded island, Crystal River, which has tons of material right there at their site. If you go there, you're going to find megalithic stones, you're going to see a platform. So I really think that Florida was the first habitation, and then they moved from there, and then someone up to Mississippi and others up to the northeast.

15:09Many of them, I believe, sell in the Ozarks, because I've lived there, and I've done research here. There's also people I call the night dwellers. They're extraterrestrials. They're like gray aliens throughout, and didn't just legends. There were these people with white, gray skin, and black eyes, who they call the moonlight of people. They only lived that night. Now, that was a Cherokee legend, but it became popular among these people as the Cherokee moved west and mixed with the Osage and other populations. Then I believe that they began happening to have it being... This isn't all theory, but I think it's disturbing. It happened to be the bluffs, and then going further underground. There, they found the encounter in the night dwellers, which were really scary individuals. We were the descendants of the gray aliens, and it met giants that were come from other populations. They began to really build a sophisticated civilization.

16:12Now, in our culture, there are societies based on certain economics, civilizations that are bent on military and in conquest, others' religion. I believe that these people had a unique civilization based on knowledge. They preserved knowledge, and that was their main focus. They were very... that term back then, very academic. I believe that was the basis of their civilization. It was very sophisticated. It was throughout the Ozarks, through Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and the East of Oklahoma. I think they were very colorful. If you're talking about... and you mentioned this in your book, the Younger Dryas Catastrophe, that's 12,000 years ago, and there's a lot of belief... I've been researching and writing a book on the Maya. They are of the belief that were massive floods in what is now Mexico,

17:18and there's a legend of this. There's actual oral histories of whole areas being wiped out. What are the indigenous... and you mentioned this in your book, the indigenous oral histories of the Ozarks. What are the tribal people telling you about any kind of migration? Well, they're telling me that the Ozarks were refuge, and that that's where the civilizations they built were at. As far as the Mayans, I am open to the idea that the Mayans also migrated close to the Ozarks. I see it as the focal point, the mid-center of our culture, sorry, the indigenous culture of America. I feel, in my heart, that eventually, if we have climate change, you know, separates portions of the United States, the North America, I think that the Ozarks are going to be a focal point of any civilization

18:21that survives, of survivors of that great change. Now, there's a lot of people that believe that the Mississippi River was an access point for different types of people, and the mound builders are kind of an offshoot of early people. In the Ozark area you're talking about, you reference caves rather than mound builders. Talk about that. Why would they find refuge in caves over building actual cities? Well, the blasts are perfect for survival. That's what they called them. I mean, I bet it's the blasts, and they have great. Yeah, you have two. I have not, unfortunately. Okay, when you go there, this is great ceilings and caves, you go in it, and it's just so deep. And some of them actually have these access points to underground areas,

19:24and I believe that was a protection for them when they were building their culture. And they were straight down into the earth below and underground. This is, you know, I want to talk about caves, I'm talking about access points in the blasts. I believe they went there for refuge and built a blanking type civilization. So you're talking about under surface dwellings, have their kind of like the howl work, and like the hall or perspective. But I mean, is it like Darren Kuru and Turkey where you have underground cities that go down? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay. And where do we find that? Could you have some examples of that? Well, like Cobb Cave, I bend down there, and it's massive when you walk into it. And like I said, there are points in it, like holes that go down into the earth. And, you know, I wouldn't be surprised that if you got far enough down,

20:27you're going to realize there is a hollow work that's something I believe in. And I suspect there you would find either an ashes civilization or the remnants of one. So you think there's some active today? There could be, or there could just be remnants. It could be ruins when we get there. Like I could see someone down in queue, but something even more massive when you get to a certain point. You might go down there and you could find everything. Like how earth could find a pyramid so you could find relics. And they might be totally abandoned. Now maybe they die off and you're going to find skeletons and things like that of a previous civilization. You know, you do have a number of examples in your book of artifacts. Tell us about Carter Canyon, excuse me, Carter County, K, where there's roughly a 400, but wall, eight foot high.

21:31Yes. That is like in the early 20th century, mid 20th century, it was wildly believed that places like that were a few, like I'm saying. They were so called discredited by mainstream archaeology, but I don't believe they can't get basically gave it much thought in this consideration. They said, well, maybe all the skeletons there, they're like in what I'm talking about were just, you know, century after century, indigenous populations just staying there for a short period of time, then moving up. I don't believe that at all. I believe it was the center of a civilization. And I think it just got deeper and deeper. And that's what I believe. And I'm thinking, will you say in Carter Cave is part of that mystery? Hmm. You feature in your book something that local families call counting holes.

22:35And these are circular depressions arranged in a regular intervals in limestone. What do we think? What do archaeologists or researchers believe these holes are? Well, mainstream archaeology just says they're the geological formations that have been there, triggered by millions of year of erosion. And you know, definitely, definitely natural formations. But I believe these structures, these holes were dug and then entered by these two. So I don't think they're natural. I think they're man made. OK. And then you kind of continue. There's a whole chapter on terraces, channels, irrigation features in the Ozark landscape. Which site provides the clearest example of ancient engineering? Would you say? Well, I would say that the best example was CAHB Cave.

23:40I really believe strongly that that was the things that I'd talk about were in that area. When you go down there and see it, there's a lot of different amounts throughout Arkansas. I even talked about in one point that there was crop circles there and that there are a transitional or basically portal to our civilization, believe it or not. And I also talked about aliens harvesting DNA. And that was in night dwellers, another book of mine. But I tried to connect this book to other books like Giant's and the Ozarks. And my book Giant's and the Earth. So they're all interconnected. All my books are interconnected and they deal with the lust as a center. I have another book called Beneath the Bluffs and it's more centered on inner earth theory.

24:45And I think that there is when they did Arkansas, they're visible. But I think under the earth there is much because if you go to the Ozarks, it's filled with these limestone areas. Like just I just visited one a couple weeks ago and I went into it and that's where the springs were. I started to think that would be perfect for a new civilization to come in there and there is the springs. Who knows maybe they were done by indigenous people to get to the springs. You never know. You mentioned the ancient Ozark natural history museum and that there's like cave or axe heads and artifacts from caves. What is really in your estimation the best example of these people? I would say the Osage because the Osage when Wilson Clark started examining the Western United States

25:47and the Ozarks at that time was considered the Western half. They investigated the Osage and they said they were a massive big people. I mean we're talking six eight for the average man. We're talking six foot for every woman. Now back in those days, you know, before that, then these people that we know were very, very short. I mean if you ever go down to Chaco Canyon and go in some of the places, you got really ducked your head at your European. But they were massive. They were strong bone and if anybody could be called an offshoot of giants instead of the Osage. And like I said, they had legends of the moon people as well and the grass people. That's another one throughout Missouri and in the Ark of Saul, we talk about the Bobbeats, the diminutive creatures with white, gray skin. And when I heard about that, I was like, wow, that sounds like a great alien.

26:53These giants, are there any offsprings that are associated with indigenous tribes in the area? Oh yes. And the one I just visited the name was I would say part of that. Forget the name because I'm new to Urega Springs. But by examining these things, I don't have any doubt that they're artificial. And I've been in one spring close to the Creston Hotel and the dairy, the writers' colony. And I walked from there right to the spring. And entered that. I just kept thinking this is more than just a natural formation. I thought for sure it's artificial. You know, it's funny because I was reading about what you call the heartstones in Miller County that are highly polished objects. Talk about those and what do you think they were used for?

27:57Well, I think they were used for digging. They could then be used as a form of, you know, animal, you know, cutting the animal when in the first killing or they could be using that to kill the animals. But I think that that is probably the best use of them. I don't think it was used for any violence against the storyline. I think it was a tool. And it could be used also for digging. So that's really my theory. You know, it's funny because when we think of advanced societies, you reference ethical, theoral device which was found in, in off the shores in Greece, we don't see that in the Americas. But you do mention this, granite discs with concentric circles and map like markings. That sounds very sophisticated to me. Well, they were sophisticated.

28:58The narrative that the mainstream academia gives you is very different than, say, other experts like Graham Hancock who wrote America Be Sure, the Atlantis in the Caribbean by Andrew Collins. And yeah, they definitely had a sophisticated culture, probably beyond us. And what happened when Europeans first came to the new world, a vast, a had vast civilization, we learned that even in the Amazon, what disease hit millions of these people. And when that happened, the sophisticated civilizations went out and it's in the primitive people we see today. And it's all a part of Europeans coming and spreading their diseases. Not that they overtook them or they conquered them. They conquered them to just being in touch with them. And that's why it was so easy for them to

29:59topple the Aztecs. After population had die out before even they even got there. So the very simple process. There's an artifact that is kind of hard to explain. It's a grooved metal plate from Shannon County. Talk about that. And what, how do they make it, do you think? Well, I think they did it with, like you said, polishing and developing this as a tool for further use in making that civilization sophisticated. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly with my guest today, Kevin Sterling, discussing his new book, Ozark Atlantis.

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34:20You document 37 family held artifacts and firsthand testimonies talk a little bit about that. Were you able to examine their artifacts? You know, there are artifacts believe you're not most of their artifacts have been preserved and like I said, they're at the Ozark. A natural museum up by Cedar Creek and if you go there and go in their museum they have unlanded it. Examples of indigenous artifacts right from the Ozarks. I mean, it was amazing why when they even have. I say creatures like the mammoths and the sloths and so they had been preserved as well and believe it out there are contemporaries with these indigenous people.

35:25Oh, so it would be at the very end of younger dry is I say, yes example. In fact, a lot of these people were very sophisticated even before the younger dry is and again, I think they had lived there. This is 12,000 years ago they utilized the loss as a shelter that sheed away from the chaos of that period. I mean, look at go back to the tape and all that. I mean, I believe it was because they found hammer tations. I believe it was a refuge and you mentioned daring you. That's examples of a sophisticated culture that tried to preserve themselves. I mean, the the Persian in the slower aftsry in tradition says that they went in there to escape a winter. And when that winter was done, it has shaped the whole earth, but the king, Yama was the one who directed them in there and built that structure by ordering them to do so.

36:37And after that, they came out to a totally new world. The first world to them was, you know, looked different and had different, you know, like we see in dare we see in a go back with Jeff, it's pretty dry. And it's not the wet lush paradise that came before and that type of world just went with the under dry. So we've never regained that lush. I mean, when they talk about the garden of Eden, you can basically imagine how it looked at the time. If there was a garden of Eden, it was before the younger dry is and it died out because of that catastrophe. Kevin, you've written extensively about giants in the United States over the years and we've had you on speaking about them. These Ozark people are more like basketball players, six foot seven, seven feet and so on. They're not like in the teens because I know that you and others have written about giants that are 12 and 15 foot, which is a huge, huge person.

37:47The problem with that is it's like we think about elephants. Their bone structure is made to carry that weight dinosaurs were made were evolved to carry that weight. But humans with their with their physical structure, their skeleton, if they were 12 or 13 feet, they just buckle under it. They couldn't survive at all with that as a human shape. They would buckle in and laugh 13 feet. They would just collapse and think about it. Every would people who suffer from what they call gigantic is on you know when they get hormonal disorders and they grow very tall, none of them are 12 and 13 feet. That's pretty much led to the Bible and other sources like more snipeology. You know, and that's mythological, but the six eight seven foot people to ancient people like in the Ozarks in beyond like in Europe and the Middle East and China would have been considered giant people like even the denocinants who people pick their giants are not 12 or 13 foot or 18 foot.

39:04They were just very large, hardy tall people that later on were said these are giants. There's also the myth that these giants were like I said about those are sophisticated people. They were interpreted as gods. They weren't gods, but they were sophisticated enough that some people considered their technology as magic. And the same theory holds for the ancient astral theory, but I don't agree that this is all from another world as a possibility like I talked about the night dwellers I taught in my fiction. I talked about it, but I think generally speaking, it's just these tall people who had the ability to do this. They were sophisticated technology. They thought they were gone obviously thought they were giant to the overtime the legend grew and grew and grew before you know what they're 18 or 20 foot tall because in their minds, they just exaggerate.

40:09Now our historians are speaking about Western culture has a real problem with people that are in their high seven feet in taller and we don't see a lot of physical evidence. We don't see skeletal remains. And why is that is it because they need to develop a new narrative for these large people and it's just not worth it for them and it's a big problem or what why don't we see more skeletal remains. Well, two reasons, there were when they just started digging these sites and looking for things and they discovered big people, you know, that was real and the Smithsonian took them, but they didn't just try to hide, you know, 13 foot giants as people believe. The the the the academic community, if they found people like that, it would be a great find one of the greatest finds in the world and that, you know, that type of thing is good for academia.

41:17I mean, you know, white and dinosaurs, it built careers, it built money and grants, it built college, you know, people were going to college to learn paleontology. So it would be the most wonderful discovery of all time, but when you look at the discovery, these are newspaper articles and back in the time, if someone finds just a large human being, they like to exaggerate because it sells publications. But there's really no evidence of it, there's evidence of tall, hardy people, but there's no evidence of 13 or 14 jobs, if it's put giants and there's no evidence of the Smithsonian is hiding something, they might have bones of great hardy people, but they're not hiding something. I mean, if the Smithsonian wanted to get these giants, they would be phenomenally successful. I mean, they would be the first to break the news and that would drive people to the Smithsonian.

42:21Now, this is interesting, Kevin, because what you're saying is that this is most Smithsonian's institute, it's not perpetuating a cover up. You're saying that if they did collect bones, they would be very positively received and perhaps placed in their museums. I have been to the Smithsonian a number of times, I've never seen any large bones of any early settlers or anyone considered an American. So you're thinking that's made up in? Yeah, I think what they, like I said, they found bones of hardy people, maybe the Smithsonian didn't even get all of them, maybe they just went on and someone covered them up, but there's, I mean, the great giants that people talk about are people they sit like the special, especially the white settlers, they bring the Bible with them, the Bible talks about giants.

43:25They also have the what's a cold eye? The Copic tradition of giants and also the Dead Sea Scrolls talks exceptionally. Biblically like a goliath in those other giants. Yeah, exactly. And so they brought that tradition with them. And further extended that tradition and people who were biblical like in newspapers took that bit of information and exaggerated because of the sensational. And it would hit well with biblical people, especially here in Arkansas, which is part of the Bible belt. Yeah, it would be amazing for them just to go ahead and say, hey, look, the Bible's correct.

44:26There's 13 foot giants, just like it says in the Bible. And so very well. So how are you referencing seven to nine feet tall people, which is what you write about? Is there accounts of discoveries in newspapers, medical journals? I mean, where is the documentation coming from? Yeah, there is no documentation, but there is extensive legends and reports. And I'm talking about that hypothetically. And I saw say hypothetically, there could be giants at size, but existence of absence is not evidence of absence at all. If you know what I mean. Yeah. I'm curious about the oral histories because I'm very much in favor of using more oral traditions in historical research. Talk a little bit about your connection with grandmother, Rose,

45:31and some other published sources that some of these people are bringing forward. Yeah, it's the same story that you hear over and over again. But as far as indigenous people, you have the, you know, the law of law cave, right here, giants, but you also have Navahoo traditions and traditions all over the Central United States with many people. Some are depicted as violent camels, endangered people. Other traditions say they were like gods and they were helpful. And they, you know, led them to places when there was chaos to survive. And so there's a mix and there's a mix of sizes talked about indigenous war. You have huge beings and then you have beings of minimal size. And all these beings had a different purpose.

46:31So, you know, in a giants of the Ozarks, I've heard what's talk about giants as guardians of low gold. And Anarchy created them for that purpose. And I talk about that extensively. I mentioned it in Ozark, Atlanta briefly. Is there any reference to the migration by the indigenous stories? I mean, I mean, I know there's stories of flooding, but do they talk about the great migration after the catastrophe? They talked it came from somewhere else. That's what they say that there was a place in the south. And they specifically say that there was another place in the south. And to me, that speaks of what could be an implore. Crystal River and of course, this vast, you know, land mass that in your

47:33column, column talks about there's also as far legends are concerned, a lot of legends of migration from Mesoamerica. I mean, you know, the Mormons have that tradition and other, the minds themselves and the Aztecs talk about this. They talk about even they as great civilizations to the south. And no one knew where they were, but until it got Ligar and they used Ligar to nap the Amazon and underneath they found a vast civilization. And then at one time it wasn't just jungle. It was a tame wilderness that they used to get food. But there's a lot of legends about migrations from the south. And so it's, it's integral to the mythology of ancient Americans. What are the legends and traditions of the parents of these tall migrants?

48:40What do they look like? Well, like I said, they were discussed among the old sage as being, you know, semi-foot tall and being hardy. I mean, even Lewis and Clark talked about that and the legends that the native Americans have. Some of them just talk about being unusually tall. Other people talk about great giants. The question is about these people. Was it coming from native Americans or was it coming from white settlers? Because white settlers had their own lens and it's very possible that it's like the Jackson and Jackson and the lost white tribe theory that the savage people came to the mountains and wiped out the white race that was there. That was used as a method of justification for moving the indigenous people from their habitation like in here for the rest. So white settlers had the right to sell since their ancestors had been there.

49:45That was a racist idea at the time. But still, even if it wasn't objectively racist, they often, like I said, had a lens and it comes from the Bible. So they might interpret some native American legends for being through that biblical lens. I mean, I have a friend right now who's writing about the lizards and about mentioning big people. But he sees everything he talks about through an evangelical lens. And I think that's a problem back then. Yeah, it's interesting. One time, apparently, people like Greg Little have stated in his work that there are over a million mounds in the United States. Well, he's absolutely right. I read his work. He's absolutely right. He's a personal friend. We were just talking recently, a book, UFOs in the Ozarks.

50:47And when he read it, he said, why I believe that. I believe in what you're saying. And he gave it five stars on Amazon. And he said, yeah, I interviewed him years ago. And he, I met him in person back when he wasn't a big name yet, but he became with big name back when I was like 20 years old. Yeah, my point in referencing Greg though is that there is some discussion of red-headed, fair skin giants in the burials and in some of the oral traditions. And I'm curious. And Arkansas, I don't think you mentioned mounds in your book. No, but this purposeful. Yeah, I just didn't really get into it like the red-haired white skin. I didn't want to project something to my audience. So I was racially motivated.

51:48But what happened with the red-haired giants? There is basis for that. There is proof of that. But I skipped a series of ways from it because a lot of white nationalists see that. And they use it as an example of white supremacy in North America. And I didn't want to go down that path. I get why. Yeah. On the other end, you discussed the Cherokee little people. Now we've had people on the program discussing this is a small race of hominins, human beings like us, but just very diminutive. Talk a little bit about them. Well, I don't believe that I discussed basically in another book that I called the night dwellers. I said to the moon, I people were not just humans or hominids. They were small. I believe they were gray aliens that had been living here for many thousands of years without their craft,

52:50but sophisticated in their knowledge. And they gave a lot of people that knowledge when they became in contact with them. It's kind of like the ancient astronaut theory, but you could call them the first emergence. They were in contact with the indigenous people. And I talked about that extensively in night dwellers. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves. And we'll return shortly with my guest today, Kevin Sterling, discussing his new book, Ozark Atlantis. We'll be right back with you.

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56:03And they are compelling evidence of an ancient civilization in Arkansas. So, Cherokee little people are grays? I do believe that. No, I believe that the Moon Eyed people are grays. Oh, the Moon Eyed people. We mentioned that earlier. Yeah. Why did I call them Moon Eyed because they can see in the dark or they're just got these huge black eyes, which is a... Because they have the huge black eyes. And I feel like I say I call them the night dwellers rather than the blaster dwellers. And you might have the blaster dwellers among Native Americans, but as far as the gray aliens there, called the night dwellers in my own reference. So, because I wanted to give them a mean that more or less came across more like gray aliens, like, called them the night dwellers. That's my whole invention.

57:04Is that term? No one else has it. But I invented that term to refer to these gray aliens. So, tell us, describe physically the Cherokee little people. What do they look like? Well, they are very small. They have pale skin and large eyes. And they cannot stand in the light of the sun. They only come out when it's dark. And that's why they also call them the Moon Eyed people because they're referring to the fact that they are under the Moon, you know, at night. And they are in their legend, like you said, homies, just small people. But as they describe them, they sound like gray aliens. They talk about the pale skin. They talk about the large heads, which doesn't seem to fit their size. So, when you look at them like that, they start to sound that way.

58:04And I'm thinking, you know, do they just get crafts and come here? I start thinking, no. I think, you know, they talk about a crash. The population, the men and women, who looked that way, they came out and settled in the mobs and lived there. And they had basic tools. Basic, their technology was ruined when they crashed. So, they were smarter enough to make these tools and these weapons and survive there. You know, getting gained with the weapons, developing different types of digging tools, because they're intelligent. And they're more intelligent and they're not more evolved, even though they have small stature. And so, one of the artifacts we speak of what the artifacts you spoke of, and I spoke of in the book, were creations of the night dwellers. Are there specific caves or locations? Oh, yeah. Where are they underground? Or are they just in caves? Well, the caves are all over those arcs.

59:06I mean, you talked, Greg Little talked about the mounds. You were to talk about Arvinsol, which has blended in mounds. You're going to talk about caves. In Missouri, you're going to talk about caves. You know, in Eastern Oklahoma, I mean, all over the Ozarks, you can find these caves. And they're called the Blus. But I believe underneath them, like when you actually go into the casomes that they have in each one, you will find either remnants of that civilization. Or you're going to find active cultures, you know, that have a sophisticated technology. I even talked about the possibility that there's caves so deep that UFOs come in and out of that area. That's what I talked about in UFOs and the Ozarks. Hmm. Talk a little bit about your reference to having, these people having very astute knowledge of the cosmos,

1:00:06astronomy, winded plant crops, so forth and so on. Where does that, that would be a migratory kind of an understanding, bringing ancient wisdom from another civilization to a new land. But talk about it. Yes, I think that's true. But I also think that, you know, the other under earthly populations, when they got to the Bluffs, they began to mix their cultures. I don't think they mixed their blood, but I think they had a cultural mixing. You had giants of, of a normal size as far as humans are concerned, but uniquely tall and you have the graze. And then those cultures along with who you would call adlantean cultures, a kind of culture that, and you call and talk about to the south of Florida, I think they chain with great technology. I mean, you think about Crystal River or the Miami Circle.

1:01:08Those are evidence of some sophisticated people. And as they moved north, they took that sophisticated culture with them. And then next with aliens in that, and they were even more powerful than they were when they lived in these forgotten realms. So you're suggesting there's hybrids among us? No, no, not hybrids. Not bio-locked hybrids, but cultural hybrids. Oh, lessons learned, education. Yeah, exactly. I think, you know, they talk, I mean, that's what ancient alien theorists talk about. The only difference with my theory is them not biologically mixing or being powerful and coming down in craft and taking people. I mean, talk a little bit about that you opposed in the Ozercs. But as far as these what dwellers, I think it was a common interaction, a trade of technology. You know, the sophisticated adlanteans traded with

1:02:11the giants, and the Braelians talked the giants and the Atlanteans. So it was a mutual thing. It was one culture taken over the other or genetic hybrids. It was just a cultural sophisticated awareness that they both had, that they intermixed that way. So are there any... You see that? You see that here in Eureka Springs. We have a lot of different people, but they coexist and we get our local culture by that myth. So I'm talking about Eureka Springs. Interesting. You talk about resident chambers and what you call singing ridges and compass disturbances, which would be electromagnetic charges. Talk a little bit about that. And have you done any studies where you're testing the... I have it, but I did, you know,

1:03:12as an armchair theorist investigating them through reading. And I've gone down to the limestone areas. And I think the limestone really, and a lot of it comes out while people make crystals, and crystal skulls out of them, they do have magnetic properties. And if there are things like UFOs, they would draw into that and recognize that. That's why we have so many reports throughout Arkansas of aliens and crafts. We do get legends for the late 19th century, which we call the airship period. Fast, but they were called because they really own me. No one thing that was flying, but if you read what they say, I mean, it looks more like a cylinder craft and grow out the airship. And they late 19th century

1:04:13those legends were all in a place. In newspaper accounts, but also personal accounts, which were highly documented. They weren't just the newspaper making the story. It was through research, through what people were saying. And I read that in several books, including Rand, Randolph's books. And he extensively talked about that. So did W.C. Jameson. And I loved those books. I learned a lot. Especially when I moved to the Ozarks. They were a great source for me. They talk about magic too extensively. And that helped me eventually write which craft in the Ozarks. If you had the equipment available, where would you go to do some testing just to see if you could find unusual electromagnetic discharge? Well, it would be cobb-cafe

1:05:14because it's so near. I had been there and it's amazing. And it's just as you're approaching, I mean, the stones in the limestone passages are everywhere. I remember crossing one. It was a stream and you come down and it's filled with limestone. And sometimes you barely can get across the stream because in the spring and may, I mean, it's filled high. And you can hardly get across it. But I went in the fall. So everything was down. And it was very scary and very hard to write a walk that path. And the reason it was hard for me was very overrated at the time. So I was struggling. But when I went to, when I arrived, I'd just say it was the most amazing thing I ever saw as most impressive. And in fact, I would be uploading

1:06:15images of that to my website. And that's another thing. Because I've really documented everything in Ureka Springs, many different legends that have been going around, made by white people like the creature, black bass lake. I had wrote a book called Into the Houses of Ureka Springs. They are very popular. And so I tried to bring a lot of those types of legends from the Ozark, but, sitically, from your whispering. And just go through it. The book's called Ozark Atlantis, the hidden refuge of the pre-flood civilization and the giants that still watch from the limestone. And this book's available now just recently came out. Are there unusual phenomenon in the Ozarks that are discussed, like discharge, nightlights, things like that that are?

1:07:20Yeah, they come, book lights. They come, book lights. And if you travel around Ureka Springs, you are told that the Crescent Outels are the most haunted place in America. And then you have various other legends, many different types of UFOs. UFO crashes. I wrote that in the Ureka Springs incident. And you have legends of monsters and the various lakes. And I like to create your black ogoon for more like Nessie. And you have legends of haunted graveyards. I visited one of those, right up the street from where I lived, probably a mile or two. And it's amazing. And it's a Victorian cemetery. It's a historic one. And that's the type of thing, you know, from the Victorian where you see the faces on the tombstone. It's kind of creepy. I went there at dusk.

1:08:20And then before you know it was night, a mall all around the spooky cemetery all alone. It wasn't something for the thingyhearted for sure. Well, you don't have like, Mothman creatures walking around. Or you do mention bigfoot, which I thought was interesting. Talk a little bit about the sightings of these creatures in Ozark. Well, they're all over our Consolid Ureka Springs. But Ureka Springs, we have certain legends about them. And in Ureka Springs, we talk about them being happy, not aggressive. And they smile and they're, they're well-to-meat. To our people. Really? Yeah, to the people of Ureka Springs. Every time they have a mall, on your mind, the bigfoot, he always has a big grin on his face. Very, very different than what we think in Bigfoot. Another thing I'm very fascinated about is this legend of the ghosts.

1:09:23I mean, Basquituzia the most, the haunted things like. And even at Basin Park, a hotel, you go there, the man I walked into the door, I could feel the presence. But it was not an evil presence. It was a good, helpful presence. It's like the house I grew up in. It was an old house that was built at the end of the Victorian era. I lived there for maybe six years. And it was very haunted, but the feeling you got, even though it was scary because you didn't know who it was, there still was a very warm feeling. Oh, I think we're there and they were happy and they were there for welcome you. But there's always different heights apparently. There's paranormal that would creep you out and be violent to you. This town is filled with legends of that. And largely because at different times, we've had plagues in this town. It's wiped out hundreds of people.

1:10:23And after the plague, there's legends of them coming back. And part of that, we had the zombie crawl every year around Halloween. And I wrote a book where I'm talking about this, but they are actually real zombies in the crowd. And I talk about like the Basin Park, who tell people who are in there, they're lying in their beds and they see the zombie like, freaky wandering around. But yeah, and they're real zombies, you know? So that's what I talk about. Wow. Kevin Sterling, a pleasure as always. We can get the book on YouTube. No, not YouTube. We can get it on Amazon. How can other people do this book? Oh, let's talk about the new book. Giant's in the earth. Talk about it. Go ahead. Well, that is a traditional giant book. That's awesome. When's that book coming out by the way, Kevin? When's it giant? It's already out. It's already out. It just came out. Yeah, you can get that. I believe on Amazon still. You can get it at I Apple I Books

1:11:25and Barnes and Noble and public. Are you self publishing that book or did a publisher do it? I had my own publishing company here in your biggest strengths. Okay, so your own part is? I, yeah. And I just started publishing another author and I've spent trying to move out into the dairy hollow writers' colony and get some of those authors who write those types of books interested in published by me. Okay, so where else can people find your social media? Are you on YouTube? Do you have a YouTube channel? I'm in the process of getting that online. But give us your other links. Give us your other links. Oh, yeah. www.yoreka.org like folklor.com and that's an active website. It has some of my articles and some of the articles of the guy who they first published. Very fast-sending material. I encourage everyone to go there.

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