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In this episode, I sit down with Kim Rogers for a deep, honest conversation about parasite awareness, environmental toxins, mold exposure, and why these topics are still considered taboo in both mainstream and wellness spaces. Kim shares her personal journey, what she’s observed through years of hands-on experience, and how conversations around parasites, mold, and detoxification have slowly started to shift — even if they’re still misunderstood. We also talk about water quality, travel exposure, skin health, mental clarity, and why many people feel better when they start paying closer attention to their internal environment. This conversation is not about fear — it’s about awareness, asking better questions, and learning how to advocate for your own health. As always, this episode is for educational and informational purposes only. What You’ll Learn 👇 🧠 Why parasite conversations are still taboo 💧 How water quality and environment impact overall health 🌱 The difference between awareness vs fear in wellness 🧬 How mold, parasites, and toxins are often discussed together 🚿 Why travel and lifestyle changes can affect how people feel 🔥 How detox conversations are evolving in the wellness space Chapters / Timestamps 0:00 – Why parasite conversations are still misunderstood 2:10 – Wellness taboos and fear-based narratives 4:30 – Food, water, and environmental exposure 7:15 – Travel, lifestyle changes, and feeling “off” 10:00 – Why awareness matters more than panic 13:40 – Skin, energy, and clarity conversations 16:20 – Detox trends vs long-term consistency 19:10 – Mold, environment, and chronic exposure 22:45 – Advocating for your own health 26:30 – Final thoughts on education and awareness 🎙️ APPLY OR CONNECT 👉 Interested in being a guest? Apply here: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application 💼 SPONSORS 🥗 Fuel your health with Viome: https://buy.viome.com/SEAN Use code “Sean” at checkout for a discount! QUINCE: https://quince.com/dsh 📩 Business Inquiries & Sponsorships [email protected] 👤 GUEST Kim Rogers: https://www.instagram.com/mrsrogers.hood/ 🎧 LISTEN TO THE PODCAST 🍏 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 🎵 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 📸 Follow the Host Sean Kelly on Instagram: @seanmikekelly ⚠️ DISCLAIMER The views and opinions expressed by guests on Digital Social Hour are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the host, Sean Kelly, or the Digital Social Hour team. The host and producers are not responsible for statements, claims, or opinions shared by guests during the show. This content is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, financial, or professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to do their own research and consult qualified professionals when appropriate. While we aim to share accurate and reliable information, no guarantees are made regarding completeness or accuracy. 🔥 Stay tuned for more conversations with creators, founders, and innovators shaping the digital world. Keywords parasite awareness, wellness podcast, mold exposure, detox conversation, environmental toxins, water quality, holistic health discussion, wellness education, health awareness, biohacking podcast, alternative wellness, health advocacy Visit Our Website at https://digital-social-hour.simplecast.com/   Presented by https://podgo.io/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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So all these people that talk about eye vermin and they're all just taking big par moments. So a lot of people that take eye ver because you know that's like the big graze. It's a huge one. They're not binding with it and then they don't realize that it doesn't go in and target pinworms. And so a lot of people will get off of it and have major itchy butt and have major skin issues. And it's because that's how thread worms which are internal that are like weaving themselves in and out of your lungs and your tissue. That actually is being like boosted because now it can thrive because it doesn't have to fight or anything else with other parasites. Okay guys, Kim Rogers back on the show. It's been two years now, huh? Almost two years. Easy. You were one of my most followed guests. Oh, that's great. Yeah. You were my first podcast in person since on this journey. Those clips did really well. I think it was eye opening to a lot of people. I've been really grateful for the opportunity that I was given to come on to your podcast and be able to express my story and be able to talk

to people about parasite cleansing and it definitely opened up a door for me. So I really appreciate this opportunity that I've been given. Yeah, I've seen you get on some big shows since I'm so congrats to build the blend and a lot of people are talking about it now. Thanks, I'm loving it. Have you seen the narrative around parasites changed since you came on last time? A little bit, but not a lot. I feel like it's still really a taboo subject and we're still very much educating which I love doing, but I do see that like the community has grown really strong as far as the general population understanding exactly where they should be with these environmental toxins, mold, lime parasites, but I still feel like some of the people in the wellness community really need to embrace it a little bit more. I feel like people will get better results with doing things like red light and IVs and just really giving your body an extra amount of cleansing to be able to absorb some of the things that we're trying to do in the

modality world. Yeah, I wonder what the disconnect there is. I think that people are just afraid to still talk about it. And when they do talk about it, they're going to talk about it as if they're doing it. And I think that people are sometimes a little nervous to talk about the fact that they're actually parasite cleansing. And I think that there's still that frequency of that it's a dirty thing when in reality it's a human everybody thing. Yeah, at this point it's undeniable. I had on a a colonic expert, she owns a colonic spit like spot in Phoenix and she was showing me photos and videos of parasites coming out of people. Yep. So you can't deny that they're inside of people. You can't. The 30,000 pictures on my phone show that this is something that's real and I've passed a few worms since this journey. Even you got some? Yes. Wow. Yeah, it's been kind of a wild ride that I did a colonic and I did a coffee animal with a colonic and then I did ozone gas. Yeah. And ozone gas actually like pulls the tissue away from them if they're like right up on your

intestine or if they're in your vein, it'll pull that tissue out, expanding it and then they'll unlatch themselves and then they come out. And that's why colonic people see so many because it's a different mode of removal. It's just still not a main cleanse because it's only cleaning out in your colon and your intestines where when you take something like the parasite cleanse kit, you're actually going in and helping to detox your cells, your blood, your tissue and your muscle. So it's really a way that you should be doing both. Yeah. You should be doing colonics before, during and after any parasite cleanse, really any cleanse because it's going to move that lymph, it's going to move your colon and things get stuck up in there and then when they get stuck up in there, that's where they live because they feed off the trash. I've done the cleanse twice now. Yeah. Yeah, I did it once felt great and then I like ate some sushi and I was like, I better do this again. To be honest, I don't trust sushi anymore. No, anywhere, any sushi, any fish really,

it's I actually saw Cetopia there. I've been seeing them. Yeah. So they look like they're better alternative than wild caught seafood now, huh? Because they know that heavy metals are existing in the fish. Yeah, the plastic. Yep. So they're really going at it with making sure it's clean fish. And we joke around all the time because I'm like, well, I guess if I'm going to eat some salmon at any point, they might be the ones I'm going to eat it from and we're going to obviously have to make a production about it. You got to get the microscope in there and see if there's parasites. I do want to try their fish. I wonder if it tastes as good. I've heard it tastes good. Really? I've heard from quite a few people. Because we've been so programmed about farm fish like to think it's bad. Yep. So it's like a mind-fuck, you know? It is. It really does make you think, oh my gosh, they're in the same water, right? The fish is in the salmon's in the same place, far under not. And I just think that with us all as humans trying to learn about our bodies

and having that same understanding when you're eating the food, I think that that's really where I've been able to educate people more. It's like, well, the fish has a body. We have a body and just having that understanding. So no matter where that fish is, there still is a possibility that it has contamination with heavy metals, parasites, worms. I wonder how you got it recently, because you moved so smart. Well, they just live in you for a long period of time. Oh, so it could have been older about you. Yeah, and it looked older. It was kind of crazy when it came out. I was just sitting there and I'm like, wow, this is nuts. I am a avid cleanser. I do synthetics. I rotate over with herbs. So I really do cleanse out my body, but it shows the change. Like just in the last two years, you've seen me. Yeah. My skin looks different. My body shapes different. It just shows that when you start to remove these environmental toxins layer by layer, and you just really stay dedicated and you do all the things like their massage, you know, you know, how much I love their massage. Like they are one of my favorite companies and they've really helped

shape my, my health. When you do these things, they work, you know, it's not a cure. I mean, I have to do it consistently. And I don't know if I caught something else, but I definitely felt different after I passed it. Yeah. I feel like when you travel, it's easier to get them. Oh, for sure. Because your diet is changing. You're in a new environment. You're using tap water in other parts of the world. Yeah, the tap water is the worst, right? I mean, I just found out when you shower, your skin absorbs a liter of tap water. Two cups every 15 minutes of water and everything in it. So that's a good thing if you're soaking in mineral water or a forer water, right? A forer water. We're actually getting, we're moving and we're going to have them be our pool and our cold plunge and stuff. So you can absorb all of that into your body, the hyper oxygenated water. But when you have trash tap water, you're absorbing the pharmaceuticals, the heavy metals, the parasites. And I think I might have said this on the last podcast. But you know, 75% of the companies are the countries water that I tested, all tested positive for nematodes. Why? What is that?

Nematodes are the physical worm because our country doesn't test for physical worms. So my journey and hood sports started because of our tap water. And then we moved to Seattle while we finished our log home and I tested the water in Seattle. And it came back positive for nematodes. And there's a million to people in Seattle. Millions. And I mean, you can just see it. Wow. So they're straight up drinking nematodes. Oh, they send out brochures that state how great and clean the water is in the state of Washington. It was crazy. I wonder what's in New York City, tab water. Oh, have you seen my video where I was two showers in and it's black in my filter when I went and did my billboard? Yeah. Because they're known for their tab water. Oh, it's the worst. Why? Their tap water in two showers was equal because we do we have a filter. Yeah, that's clear. And we take that with us and we stuck it on the the New York City downtown. And it was black in two showers. Yes. Disgusting. How might I start traveling with a shower filter? Yeah, I really,

I really haven't developed a good one yet, but I know of a good one that you can buy on Amazon. And it's a five. Well, this one's a one micron filter. And that one micron filter actually gets rid of everything. But then inside of it has the re, you know, the add back minerals. So I recommend it's like 45 bucks. Yeah. Going to Phoenix next week for a turning point of that. Their water smells. Yeah. Their water has different minerals. I was I just did the turning point without cloud. I saw that. Yeah. That's a big one. That one got a lot of views. It did. It was a really great podcast. Yeah. She's great. She's one of my favorite guests. Really? Yeah. She speaks for mine and it owns it. I love it. Yeah. She was really great. You know, she goes by worm queen as well. Oh, does she? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. That's what her community calls her to. Wow. She's the same nickname. Yeah. We both sat there and she goes, you know, my name is worm queen. And I'm like, well, I wrote two worm queens. That is funny. Yeah, I know she does this stuff.

She does the colonics too. Uh-huh. Yeah. Her whole team verified cleansed. Really? Yeah. I sent her whole team and we sat and chatted and they loved it. Some of them saw some things. Geez. Sure. Helps their mental clarity, right? Yeah. We all need to be on point. We have these things in life that we can utilize. And I feel like we just need to talk about it, you know, more and more. I feel like it's definitely getting out there. I just think that it needs to be embraced a little bit more and not be looked at such a taboo. I feel like because I come from western medicine that it's still viewed in the wellness community. Can't focus struggling to sleep or feeling wired. This balances your brain and body fast. A cutting edge EEG study found something phenomenal with quantum upgrade. Stress-related brainwave activity dropped by 80 percent, calming alpha waves in the limbic system increased over 13x and HRV improved big time. That's just the start. Quantum upgrade is a 24-7 quantum energy streaming service that boosts your energy, focus, recovery and sleep with no device needed. I personally

use this myself and it's also recommended by top athletes, leading biohackers and functional medicine practitioners. It can neutralize the harmful effects of EMFs, increase ATP production by up to 29 percent, and improve cell recovery, blood health and circulation within minutes. Yes, double blind studies confirm it. And with quantum upgrade, you don't have to fight against technology. You could thrive with it. Get your 15-day free trial, no credit card required. Use the code DSH, go to quantumupgrade.io and experience the upgrade for yourself. Quantumupgrade.io. As someone the way western medicine views it, you know, and I think that that part I'm working on on a daily basis to chip that away because it doesn't need to be that taboo. Right. Are you seeing a concentration in certain cities or states of just more parasitic cases? Usually in Washington, state, and then Florida and Texas seem to be where we send the most of our kits. Florida has a lot of molds, doesn't it? Yeah, they do have a lot of mold.

They're very, it's a very multi-place. Almost every house I heard. Well, anywhere you go in there, I mean, because they have so much flooding and then they just try and dry it out, but unfortunately mold grows like pretty fast. Fast, yeah. And then that all lives together. And then I think me and you talked about this once-off line, but mold, people that have really active, extensive mold in their body end up testing positive for line. And I don't know enough science behind why, but definitely makes sense. My husband also has a line and he had terrible molds with me in the travel trailer where we were living in where building. And so it really makes sense that it can get into your joints, but line is a spare keep and it's a parasite. So it's really hard. I haven't, again, I haven't studied a lot about it, but I do know that that's something that is being correlated. Yeah, it's crazy how many diseases are being linked with parasites right now. Like I'm seeing some big diseases, like even bigger than

line. It's crazy. I can't believe it. Yeah. Everything we were talking about is like not true. That's right. Like they never brought up a parasite thing. No, you know, we didn't learn about any of this. And I have two degrees and we didn't learn about it. Yeah. We didn't learn about how when you have a frequency in your body like that, that is causing your cells to be stagnant and then your body is trying to protect that cells to a builds that heart and shell around it. And then it absorbs other toxins inside of that heart and shell, which we call a biofilm. And then it just creates more and more abnormal cells. And so there's a lot of studies that are going to potentially come out at some point, right? Because the more we push the narrative that we have to cleanse our bodies and the more we understand that other environmental toxins that come in and they live together, the more we're going to be able to continue to release the brain fog, release that inflammation, which is what they live in. Our bodies have mass amounts of mucus in them. And so we start to push

that mucus out, which encases these environmental toxins inside of that. So the more that you continue to push all of these things out of your body, the more you're going to start to feel normal and want to go and do more things that keeps your body moving, that keeps you eating healthier, that keeps your skin glowing, that allows your hair to kind of revive itself. And in four years, that's what I've done. Yeah, that's impressive. Yeah, the skin stuff I did want to talk to you about one in five kids of XMNO. Wow. Isn't that nuts? Yeah. That's like 20%. That's like so many. And I think a lot of it's a parasite thing. Well, they've never cleansed. Other countries like Mexico, you know, they start to give their kids those synthetic iver and fend if you can go for seven bucks and get something. When I first saw something in the toilet a couple of months ago, I went to my doctor and I did, you know, I did a round of anti-parasitic synthetics for 21 days. It costs 24,000 dollars per me. And then Jeremy was 24,000 to get those anti-parasidics from

our insurance company. Why? Obviously, I got it covered, but it took three months to get it covered. And I'm not a big, you know, I then rotated to my herbs because only those frequencies of those synthetic anti-parasidics that I was taking, it only covers so many of the parasites in my body that we were thinking that it was. So then I followed it up with a pair of five parasite cleanse because we're like a Z-pack. We're like the general parasite cleanse. You get hit, you get hit with like the pinworms come out and but yes, 24,000 dollars for 110 pills. That's nuts. It was crazy. My husband and I were like, Jeremy and I were like, well, for that kind of money, we'll just go on a vacation to Mexico. They probably make it for 20 bucks. Totally, totally. They're making 99% margin on that problem. That's insane. It's 24,000 dollars. I didn't know they had Western pharmaceuticals for parasites. Yeah, they have IverFen mend. So all these people that talk about Iver Mectin and they're all just

taking big pharma meds. Oh, wow. That's all that is. It's a synthetic drug that's a similar frequency to like wormwood or organ grapefruit, which is the anti-parasitic herbs. Yeah. And then it's formulated so that it's a frequency hitting those particular parasites that they're saying. However, certain anti-parasidics that you're not, then taking a binder and you're not going through and actually removing more than just what that frequency is and you can stir things up. So a lot of people that take Iver because you know, that's like the big craze. It's a huge one. They're not binding with it and then they don't realize that it doesn't go in and target pinworms. And so a lot of people will get off of it and have major itchy butt and have major skin issues. And it's because that's how threadworms, which are internal that are like weaving themselves in and out of your lungs and your tissue. That actually is being like boosted because now it can thrive because it doesn't have to fight for anything else with other parasites.

So itchy butt is threadworms usually? Usually pinworms is itchy butt. Pinworms? Yeah, which is the same thing. I say pinworms are in the butt and then and threadworms are internally but they're the same. They're the same. Wow. Yeah, a lot of people have itchy butt. They do have itchy butt. Yeah. If you want to know if you have a parasite, you definitely need to eat ice cream over the full moon and they'll immediately come out. Really? Yeah. How would they come out through your butt? Yeah. Go all of a sudden you'll be like. It's a good test. Yeah. You can do that once a month. And see how you're feeling? Wow. Yeah. So if you walk outside during a full moon, they just start coming out. Well, it's because your serotonin's been lowered and your melatonin has changed and they eat that and so they're able to like start to go through your body and create new communities. So that's why the full moon is a correlation of parasites. That makes sense. What's what's selling well for you right now? The Parafiqa? Is that still the main cell? Yep. The Parafiqa is our number one and then we created that lymph kit. The lymphatic kit helps

with you know brain fog. It also doubles as a line kit because of the type of herbs that I used because I also have line and so I'm constantly staying you know ahead of my symptoms so that if I start to feel yucky or I've worn myself thin like I've been doing lately because I've been traveling. Yeah. Then I take my herbs and it has lines made in turkey tail in it. So it's boosting your immune system. It's helping push out more mucus and issues and I figured out over this last year that you really need to do something a couple of weeks prior to the Parafiqa to open up your pathways and so yeah it has the binder but it if you're if you're making sure that you're three Ps you're peeing pooping and perspiring prior to doing the Parafiqa you're going to feel so much better. So I designed this so that you can do it two weeks prior to the Parafiqa you can continue taking it while on the Parafiqa and then it's your wellness bestie after and the herbs

that I added in are like lion's mane which it helps re because you know when you have dementia or neurological issues it's your neurons are misfiring and lion's mane can go in and help repair that and it's also a driver it goes past the blood brain barrier of your brain and it brings the herbs that you are taking with that lion's mane with it and so I definitely wanted to pick really good herbs that can cross the blood brain barrier and also help with inflammation and help with your immune system and just make a better Parafiqa. Parafiqa. That makes sense. You could aspire earlier you could sweat out Parasize too. You can sweat them out. Okay. Yeah they come out your pores. Wow. They come out your yeah. Hit the sauna then. Yep. Hit the sauna cold plunging. I think cold plunging is very underutilized. Well it just moved your lymphatic system and since we don't actually have a like a pump for our sewer system which is our lymphatic system things like cold plunging and and sauna and doing herbs like that get that moving and then they

can't stay in you when you're moving like that. Okay. I got to get a cold plunged on. Oh my gosh have you seen blue cubes cold plunge? Yes I've heard of blue. Okay so we are moving. We're moving to we're moving back to still taking your pre workout after you get to the gym you're already laid. What if your pre workout actually worked with your body? Are you tired of artificial energy drinks? Knee NO beats a beat-based nitric oxide booster that supports your body's natural nitric oxide production for increased blood flow might it control ATP energy and endurance naturally. N101 nitric oxide lozenges is a smarter way to fuel your workout just dissolve it in your mouth and it starts working before your first rep no mixing no jitters no crash. More nitric oxide means better blood flow stronger pumps and sustained energy without caffeine overload plus it supports your cardiovascular and cognitive health too. You could support your body's nitric oxide production daily and feel the difference with N101 just mix one packet with a little water and take it as a shot 10 to 20 minutes before training pop a license 10 to 15 minutes pre workout

and feel the difference train smarter with N101 at n101.com. Nevada on the Lake Tahoe side and we bought 116 acres of land I know I'm so excited for you holy crap. I'm really excited across the street for my parents. So we're going to actually build a home biohacking spa and so I've been doing a ton of research. I went on my podcast what's eating you I went to natural mother of natures and it's in woodland hills and he has a blue cube and what's different about blue cubes cold plunge is that it's ozone water it has a river mode which moves the water consistently while you're in it so it breaks the thermal barrier that your body has created in order for it to protect itself but then you're not getting all of the benefits and so it does that for you and I mean just the ozone water right because we just talked about how you absorb

that water you're absorbing that back that antibacterial water which is the ozone water and it's just helping create a better environment for you in inside of your cells yeah it is so great I'm so excited I ordered one over black friday and it'll be there when we move let's go yeah I know oxygen is huge for disease prevention right yeah so I'm sure parasites don't like oxygen no that was a game changer for me doing all of these modalities while I was doing my podcast really helped shape my health where I'm at today but the biggest one that was a game changer when I found out I had lime was each bot hyperbaric chamber oxygen therapy I bought one and it's at my house and I do it a couple times a week nice and then NAD you got the soft cover hard cover I have the soft cover but it's a sit-in so it's not a lay down like a coffin you're fully sitting down yeah you're just sitting in it I have like a executive chair then I like kick my feet up and then I work in there I want to get one of those oh it's worth it I think they're like 10 yeah I used it for my

TVI and it went away oh not crazy yeah yeah I did a brain scan before and after yeah gone well I mean it's helping decrease the brain from swelling it's helping to oxygenate your blood and it gives you 600 times the amount of oxygen that you're breathing normally because it's getting pushed through your skin it's getting pushed into your cells and it's detoxing your cells and a biohack stack of that is drink you're a for a water and they've been talking a lot about how they would like to like have protocols like this right because when you're drinking hyper oxygenated water and then you're actually going through and being in a hyper oxygenated H bot right then you're getting it even more and disease can't live in high levels of oxygen right that's that's where I learned from gay brother actually yeah yeah shut it to him yeah he's great man can't wait to visit you on the ranch yeah I'm excited plus acres is a hundred and sixteen acres damn I got to sell some parasite cleanses

yo you've come a long way I'm happy for you a lot things let's go it's been great I've really been loving it I feel like we're really making a difference in this community and just helping people have a better understanding of their body being more of an advocate for themselves and having sovereignty over their own health because that's really what this is about it's about the fact that you know I almost died in 2019 how many organs did you remove for people that don't remember I had nine organs nine organs removed and thirteen surgeries and a hysterectomy and I've been chronically ill since I was in my teens wow yeah I have chronic lime I had mold I found out for sure my mom had mold poisoning when I was on here last time I said I think my mom gave me lime yeah really my mom gave me the mold you could transfer mold yes how does that work it just can go through the womb why yes so if you're pregnant you really need to be you really need to be conscientious about the air or your breathing and making sure that you're actually going through and trying to cleanse your body before you get pregnant I mean that really is what the

bottom line is because you can't cleanse while you're pregnant but you can cleanse prior to just get some of those environmental toxins out to just have a healthier way of having a pregnancy but after I got off the podcast with you I went and did a lot more research I reconnected with my family and then we sat down and found out I was born in the mold my dad was an officer and he was living in a moldy environment when my mom was pregnant with me and so I really was able to kind of trace back some of my issues that I've had with my health for my whole life we need to get you with the Peterson's right now oh Jordan yeah yeah he's got molding your shit right now mm-hmm I'm watching his dog yeah Michaela dealt with it I think and then now he's dealing with it he's in the hospital for like a month I think he's out now but it's I think it's mold related I believe yes I've been watching his journey mold he should be cleansing three times prior and doing a mold cleanse you know they all live together they live in the house yeah you got to go

and burn their house down and then you pluck them out with the herbs you just literally go in and you just have to keep going and you have to keep digging you have to use things like red light and you have to use things like NAD to keep boosting your mitochondria in order for it to not stay in yourself yeah and you just keep doing that like it's not a one and done none of this is a one and I'm getting a mold test on my house next week oh you are test my how home or something okay I think that's the company um excited and nervous yeah because I know if it if there is mold it's gonna be damn expensive to get a fix yeah well you let me know because I have some tricks oh yeah yeah we removed mold out of Jeremy's mom's house we cut it out like we just went and found where the issue was and then we kept testing while we were cleaning and we found a really great um hydrogen peroxide because that's how you really have to clean it an industrial one got it yeah and then you cut out the area wow so I'll let you know for sure yeah let me know

happens we'll link uh the the business and your socials thanks for coming on yeah thanks for having me check her out guys get a parasite cleanse peace I hope you guys are enjoying the show please don't forget to like and subscribe it helps the show a lot with the algorithm thank you

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