Lashes and Brad Weber | Full Show (22/9/26)

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1:00Where are the black hocks? What are the... That's about the remaining. There's no... What do you mean? That is just extraordinary. The black hocks. The Warriors were gipped at that very moment. I don't care what anyone says. You'll never convince me otherwise. If that is a strip, then I am an Eskimo. There's got to be an investigation into this. There's got to be someone's going to be accountable for this. Only Luridou and Emina are there with us. You have been a class about you, haven't you? No, I just don't think you can put a price on a comfortable set of nut hugs. I know, please God, tell me you're dreaming.

2:05Please God, tell me you're dreaming. Listen, you mucket. When I say move on, I'm not saying keep talking about something. You move on. It's my show as well. I can keep talking. Go on, keep talking. This is just too good. This is HTC for Willoughby's fans. Certainly was what a try that was for Willoughby Gold and Sean Maloney. Love's getting excited.

3:05Love's as fully. Who knows? Maybe we were not here much of Sean Maloney in the coming years. Based on the report that's coming out today. New Zealand rugby, one option to go at alone. Cut Australia adrift. We may not be hearing much from guys like Sean and Timmy Horan and the Warrows and Reads. Yeah, Brad Weber. And again, alongside me today, we've just had a very good discussion about it. And we're keen to hear your thoughts as well. Double eight, double three, the landscape from this report from Paul Cully from the post. We walked out into that very, very shortly and in the agenda too. Good show coming up for your Canterbury. Yet they're not high flying. Like a lot of people are used to. The defending champions find themselves what are they? Fourth or fifth on the letter. But only a couple of points out from the top of the table. But very even Stevens and the NPC. So we'll chat to Brody McHellister and get his thoughts on how he thinks the red and black.

4:07So placed fresh off at one point win over North Harbour on Sunday. We'll do the magnificent seven after four, 30, which is another game. Brad and I will be completed guess who yesterday. So we'll look to name all seven people on that list of the magnificent seven. We look forward to that. Fin Bulls is your far right chance, boys. Okay. It's a lay down, is there? It's easy. Right. Don't stitch us up there, Fin Bulls. Laurie Horish as well. Any foul season is underway. Round two is just about to cap off with the LA Rams. Constantly beating the New York Giants. There's been a few key injuries too. And sometimes the Vunder performed to start the year. It's great cannon fodder on a Monday in particular when you've got so many games on. Great option for a wee multi on a Monday. Keep your interested while you're at work for sure. And Joe Healey, the NBL. Well, the break is laid down the Lord didn't they on the weekend. Put a flag in the ground and said we're here to be serious competitors.

5:08Joe about who else is potentially setting up to be, I guess, the ones for the New Zealand break is the beat. Because I think Fin Bulls am I right in saying that they were like $14 on the set. To win the thing? Yes, they would have been. They would have been. Yeah, like bottom two in the competition to even be a chance. They were like, almost out. $3 to even make the top six. And you know, far more about it than me. But I'm being told that the break is a one-hats only one game. But you know, the real deal almost. They're a serious outfit, Lash. This season in particular compared to last. Well, that's very, very positive. So we'll get the lady in there after 5.30. And all your texts, too. Double eight, double three. Keep them coming in. We loved it yesterday. We want more of it today. Plenty to discuss. And we will do that. Lashes and former all black halfback, Brad Weber, Infermilsian guy today. Thanks to the great team at Kogan Mobile. Let's get some headlines. Thank you, Lash's Sports News Update. Brought to you by Night and Day. Grab two dollar sausages each Tuesday and September at Night and Day.

6:09As Lash said a little bit earlier on there. The Rams, up 28 to 6 over the New York Giants, with about two minutes left in the NFL. Laurie Horish out of ESPN Australia. And the NFL after show will be with us just after 4 o'clock. NRL referee Ashley Klein is reportedly set to be dropped from this weekend's preliminary finals after his performance in Sunday nights. In the midfield, semi-final between the Newcastle Knights and the New Zealand Warriors. The NRL later admitted the Warriors should have received a penalty for an escort infringement by Knights Ford, Tyson Frizell, with one minute remaining which could have given them the chance to kick a game, leveling penalty. The story just continues to unfold. And the football fans have called up two uncapped players for their two-match series against Panamanics Month. Midfield, a Daisy Brison Dale, joins the squad after captain New Zealand at the FIFA Under 20 Women's World Cup in Poland. While Helena Erington has been selected after previously representing New Zealand at Under 17 and Under 20 levels, Coach Michael Mann says he wants to consider all available options ahead of next year's FIFA Women's World Cup in Brazil.

7:13Sports news updates brought to you by night and day. Grab a $3 doughnut this September at night and day. Thank you, Fin Bulls. Brad, a couple other things we've got lined up today. We've got plenty of stagdoo chat because you're off on your stagdoo on Friday. Down to the great like. Don't give away where I'm going to be. Oh, yeah, so I shouldn't do that. Well, yeah, there's many lakes, of course, in the country. Yeah, there is. So there is. And many great ones too. But we've also got an HIA test today, you, yes. Of course, yourself, unfortunately, been through a couple of HIAs. Much like many pro athletes these days. So you're going to put me through an HIA test at some point throughout the show and see how I fare because we talk about it yesterday. And it's more difficult than what the average Joe Punter on TV may presume. Oh, it's way harder. So, and if people want to play along at home, maybe if you're in a, if there's a couple of you, maybe get one of you as to write the words down as I go in the numbers or you can even do it later on to your friends and family, see how they fare. But yeah, it is a lot harder than you expected.

8:14I know you, you think yourself is pretty switched on, like. So we'll really put that to the test later, okay? Yeah, I'll make sure you somewhat do. Yeah. So that'll be very, very interesting. And we'll talk about the stag doing the agenda. I think Fimbals has got something lined up there. AA double three. I'm off to Melbourne for the Asia Pacific Dodgeball Tournament. Starts Thursday to Sunday. Check out the Facebook group page for some great action. Dodgeball Tournament. Really? I thought that was just like a hobby. Yeah, a P, you know, a P at school. Yeah, a P at school again. Ah, well, average Joe's versus Globo. That's one of a great rival, Riggs. Ah, Kielder boys, they can do it. They like with Super Rugby, but don't touch the NPC. Up the mighty Magpies. That's from Marshy from the Hawks Bay. Interesting. The CEO of New Zealand Rugby can spin all the facts and figures he wants. But empty stadiums is a sure sign of Kiwis over Rugby Union. Many have switched the NRA and NBA.

9:15They won't ever get back to the good old days as the younger demographic have moved on. The NRA was Disneyland, Super Rugby, and NPC is Rainbow's Inn. That's from Paul Brad Paul's staunch league man. I'm going to go. I'm actually really. Probably a test. Hates Rugby, like genuinely hates it. Oh, well, he'll enjoy his long off season. Yes, he definitely will. And text like that from Paul. Like, I know he likes to put the boot in the boot and that's fine. We can all do that. I like to do that to the Warriors sometimes. But there's, you can't sit here and tell me Brad, there's more than enough room for the Warriors to operate as well as they are. And then have the National Sport or Rugby Union continue to be successful on the World stage. Definitely. Why do we have to choose between the two sports, by the way? Why can't we just enjoy both of them for what they are? Correct. It's actually not that hard. I know. I love flicking on the National Rugby League and watching a good game of that. Much like I do a good game of footy. Me too. I mean, he might bring a good point around the numbers to the games themselves.

10:20But the numbers of the eyeballs watching it on TV at home is still really strong. I think it's grown this past couple of years, exactly a year on year. So it's certainly not an issue with the fan at home. But yeah, certainly there's probably things that Rugby can do to get. Bums on seats. Yeah, the fan experience, probably. The fan experience, particularly. And hearts a little bit done that. Mr. Show yesterday fell as was there a mention about a certain European T20 Premier League final. Yes, there was the Castle Rockers. Mills is just left double in actually. And with the trophy. So he was the trophy. No, actually I don't know if he has the trophy. But you'll hear all about that tomorrow when he does return. It's actually such a good name for a team, by the way, a cricket team, right? Edinburgh Castle Rockers. Yeah. Underrated. He copped a lot of shit for it. Because he did a, I guess, a poll or it didn't even on the show. Some of that, yeah. Different options about what they were looking at. Okay.

11:20And the Castle Rockers was kind of almost laughed at a little bit. It was a bit of the other ones. That's probably, you know, no, what is that now? No news is bad news. Yeah. Well, I've just gone on and enhanced their brand and the mills is a big part of that to be fair. It's done a lot of work. So he deserves it. Ken says, 10 team comp. That's the way forward. And possibly add a couple of Japanese sides down the track and the rest below amateur. Finally, Kirk, so David Kirk, I presume he is making waves. I'll just do their own thing. It's interesting that we spoke a little bit off the air around essentially. If you were to go down that track around a European Champions League style, you know, a second competition where the New Zealand teams play the best Aussies, play the best Japanese. You can bring a few teams around the world and have that secondary comp, I don't know. Why couldn't, what's the flight to Japan, Japan bread? 10 hours. 10 hours, okay.

12:20And the time zone's three hours is it? Yeah, we used to do it. So we've regularly went the sunwals around it. Yeah. And it wasn't that much. And I assume we'd get over on Wednesday. I think a plan said D, not too bad. What do you think the appetite would be to say you have, you know, there are four or five best teams entering a super rugby competition to make it a 16 team competition, a 15 team competition with Australia and New Zealand. And would they be competitive? I think the best teams would be competitive, yeah. I mean, we saw, I know that the Chiefs are playing preseason and it was in the middle of the Japanese season when they played a couple of years ago against Panasonic. Yeah. Panasonic beat them. There's obviously without the Chiefs will bless as well, which obviously makes a bit of a difference. But they are. The top teams are really good. And it is a top heavy competition as well to be fair. But you think with Kobe last year, it was first phase ball and to lean it around crashing, Ardi Salve around the corner for a second carry. And then third carry around the corner is Brody Ritalic.

13:21Yeah. Poor Japanese bikes having to tackle those three like one phase after another. That's pretty sharp team like that. That team I think could have pushed a lot of good New Zealand and Australian teams. And I imagine they might be interesting to hear an Australian point of view, actually, that's what I was just thinking, because when the COVID stuff was going on and they were forced to just have their super rugby Australia, they had massive crowds. Massive. The final was at St Corp and nearly sold out from memory. Yeah. So I wonder how much effort it is on that side. Yeah. I think it's a dangerous game to be Australia. Yeah. I do agree. Yeah. I think, you know, there are a lot of zero-o-rans at mates. We've got to keep them. I think wherever we go, they go. And wherever they go, we go. And I think it's quite arrogant from New Zealand rugby, if they are to think otherwise, to be quite honest. ESNPC is fantastic, but all these people saying don't touch it. Are they going to take the hat around to pay for players and all the transport and that from Peter?

14:21Yeah. Sometimes it needs to, well, not necessarily wash its own face, because the NPC at the moment and across history has been a necessity, isn't it? It's been a pathway. It's been another way to retain players in New Zealand and keep a maximum spread of the sport across as many eyeballs as possible around the unions. So this 8-10 team competition, we were you and I were talking about before, if Hawks Bay and the NACI get green-lighted to join this competition, but Northland and Southland and Muno or Tuwa just said, okay, you guys just see a lighter. Amateur. Back to Hartland. Enjoy playing King Country in Mid-Canibary. Does that then alienate so many young individuals from going, okay, well, what's the pathway for me now? Yes, I suppose it does. And you think about the amount of good players. I mean, a lot of them would have to re-loc- they would just re-loc how I suppose,

15:23but the big thing is getting those unions, because they all have a seat at the table and then they stay colder, getting them to be bold enough or, you know, to agree to pulling up stumps in their semi-professional side. Yeah, that's a big call. Yeah, so there's so much nuance, right? Yeah, every competition, every option that is in this report and you and I have been discussing his counterpoints, has reasons not to do them. But has reasons to do them? And has reasons to them? Yeah. I think, and Mills, he said it on the show many times, and we're talking about it out there again, Brad. Like the people who are quick to, I guess, compare the warriors or the Yenna Rell to Super-Obi. But the fact remains is Cameron George and Warriors owner Mark Robbins who can go for a coffee on a Monday. If they want to get something done, if they want to change tack, they want to do some sort of idea or implement some sort of marketing thing. Whatever it may be, they can have a coffee in 15 minutes later. They green light it and that decision's done.

16:23Whereas New Zealand rugby, any decision that gets made, you know, five franchises, 14 NPC unions, plus all the heartland unions, yeah, everyone has their say. Yeah. And sometimes the tailwags are doled there. And I think, like you just said, they're going to have to bite the bullet and change. Maybe not to the detriment of their own union, but for the betterment of the game here in this country. Mikey says, I can see rugby ending up in the same situation as netball. Why not get ahead of it and just privatise Super-Rogby? Let some people who know what they are doing around the game and take away the bill from New Zealand rugby. Yeah, I'm with you there, Mikey. I wouldn't call it close to netball. I think that's a different kind of a fish, but in terms of getting out in front of it, I think privatisation goes a long way. To solve a lot of problems and maybe re-energising fan bases through, like you just said, Mikey, people that understand what they're doing when it comes to the business of sport. But very, very interesting times indeed.

17:26And we want to hear all your thoughts, double-eight, double-three, throughout the show on the Tex Machine. We've got plenty coming up for our All Black Heartback Brad Webber and lashes in the chair today at 4 milsie and guy, thanks to the great team at Cogun Mobile. We'll take a quick break and come back on the other side with a very diverse agenda. Don't go anywhere. Millsie and guy here on Sport Nation, lashes and Brad Webber. And thanks to the great team at Cogun Mobile, get an awesome prepaid plan bargain. And all the deals at Cogun Mobile, Cogun Mobile, there's a great call. Finball's in some tech, sir. But we'll just get stuck into the agenda first and foremost and come back to them on double-eight, double-three. The agenda. A gender one. I know you boys already kind of dove into this a little bit during the start of the show, but if you take a little bit of a deeper look into Paul Kelly's report on the poster around the future of New Zealand rugby,

18:27what do you, genuine thoughts going forward if some of these proposals do go ahead? Or if one of them obviously might go ahead? I'd hate to see what happens to the game and our relationships with our friends across the pond if we cut them adrift. We're already half-pies sticking the finger up to them by doing this rugby's greatest rivalry. Well, and look, we're sticking the finger up to the South African Super Rugby side's got us. Yeah, did right. We've already... Like those things. We're a small island off Tonga. Like we're a nation of 5 million people in the bottom of the world. And we think we can go at a loan. It just dumbfounds me, Brad. I think we need as much help as we can get, delve into as many markets with as many eyeballs as possible, whilst not tearing away the fabric of the game here in this country. But I do not think going at a loan, which is one of the options there proposed, is the right play.

19:28I like that we're being bold enough to have the conversation though. It's been pretty clear that something needs to be discussed or something needs to change it. The Super Rugby level, NPC level, because it's not sustainable, I think. So at least we're having the conversation. And even if things stay similar, maybe it might make changes in other areas that makes the game more sustainable. Who knows? But I like, at least, that they're brave enough to call the unions and the stakeholders to a meeting and let's hash it out. Say, if, in your opinion, you've been around, he's gonna be a lot, you played in these competitions, you have gone to the highest level, but you've also played with blocs who are on the fringe and battling and trying to earn an opportunity. Do you think if the NPC went to a model of, say, match payments, so if you're in the 23, you got $1,000, $1,500, something like that.

20:29And it's kind of a fully amateur model, apart from the match payments. Do you think there'd be an exodus of talent in this country? Or the opposite? Well, no, there wouldn't be, because there's only so many jobs going overseas. There's restrictions on international players in France and Ireland in Scotland in England and in Japan. In fact, it's getting even tighter in Japan. So there's less and less jobs for players over there. My issue potentially with that is that, well, if there's less semi-professional teams where the pathway is clear into a professional gig, does that push some younger players into other sports? Yeah, and that'd be the counter-argument for that. And like we said, we've had counter-arguments there. But then my counter-argument to that counter-argument would be, so if you saved all that money from 14 provincial unions

21:32and that wage bill will full-time essentially what they are, and you gave that to, say, superclubs that were then able to... I take an example like a harry-int right. I don't know if you know if you're aware of harry-int, is the young fellow at a Nelson College who was signed by a Tasman and then both a crusader on one of those player development things, BDC things. Signed for three years, crusaders did the great work. They identified them. We want them in our system, sold them the pitch. He signed the deal, agitated for a release, went to the Warriors to play, you know, junior football there. Right. Thank you all together, Tatling Up. You might have been on about 50 grand in rugby union. I think you went to the Warriors for, you know, in the vicinity of 85. Okay, so if you're a young kid, and that's on the table, and there's a pathway into the NRL, there is a pathway in union two, but the money is far more attractive in the NRL at the moment.

22:34For the top guys, yes. Yes. So even these junior kids right who want, want, want, want now, now, that's yes. Do you think when saving all that money on NPC, wage bill, giving it to super club so they can be more competitive for young kids coming out of school, and trying win the war on league, and go to the negotiating table and say, hey, you can still be in all black, and we can still pay you the same as you're getting just to play Harold Matthews for the Warriors. Yeah, no, I like that, I like that idea, Lash. I think you're thinking in the right areas. And league has forced super rugby teams into this sort of thing, and to signing kids out of high school now, right? Yeah. Where, if that was around, and when I was coming through, there's every chance that Brody Ritalik gets lost through the cracks, boat and bar, potentially lost through the cracks. Yeah.

23:34Those guys were not New Zealand schools, and potentially identified as potential all blacks. So if they don't see the, and then those two blocs end up being world rugby players of the year. So under this potential model, do we lose that potential talent, which the development from high school to sort of under 20s under 21s is massive? Yeah, I think about the, I played in the 2011 under 20 team, the one of the greatest teams of all time. Yes, either. And it was off the back of the fourth world, rugby, world under 20s champions in a row. Yeah. So New Zealand rugby was flying at this time. And there wasn't as much, well, it wasn't as much promotion from the New Zealand schools team in my last year at school to their under 20s team. There were a lot of guys in their under 20s team that then went on to be all blacks, that weren't in the New Zealand schools. Okay. So do we lose, that's, I suppose, the risk, would do we lose that sort of potential talent that are late developers?

24:38Yeah. They haven't developed quite like your Harry inches, for example. So it's, yeah, that's risk, either way. So again, it's counter-argument or counter-argument. Yeah. But yeah, like, I like your train of thought, because we do need to attract these guys and keep them in rugby. And I'd like to, like, maybe throw out a little bit of a future, to these kids that are seeing an extra 35 grand, for example, right now. Yeah. The great thing about rugby union is that it is a worldwide game. There is, you can play for good money all around the world. There are a lot more jobs for rugby union players than there are from League. Now, if you, one of the best in rugby league, I can't deny that these guys make fucking good money, don't they? But there's not, there's only so many of those contracts going around. So if you're back yourself to get to that level, sure. But for the mid-range guy, like I was,

25:39yeah. Rugby union has been incredibly beneficial to me and my future. Definitely. There's actually some great texts on that, really, really good on 00, 003, keep them coming. Brad, interesting, like, when I'm thinking about, you know, young kids and trying to be competitive at the negotiating table. We had a discussion out there before around your time and, I know, it's totally different. But when you left school, you played Colts footy. Yeah. Had a bloody good time doing it. Played Prem Rugby. And the right got on the radar, had to shift up north. Got your opportunity away laughing. Another big discussion we've talked about before on the show, and I keen to get your thoughts on them, is the disconnect from when you play junior footy for Tarotale or the Dunedin Sharks, mitari eels, whatever, then you go to high school. You feel that disconnect from your club.

26:40Seven former roles around, come out of school, and there's that massive, I guess, decrease in players continuing to play footy because they feel like we'll have disconnected from that club now, so it's tough to go back. Do you see a world where schoolboy footy is restricted to solely first 15, and everyone else plays club footy to try and stop that player drain post school, so they'll hopefully continue to carry on playing after schooling age because they've been in that club system the whole time and never had to disconnect from it and then reconnect again. I hadn't heard or thought of that. Well, that's the thing we discussed here. Yeah, I was just turned to the show, they were off in, didn't they? I actually, that's a good idea. I don't mind that. First of all, I think traditional, first of all, it's great, you see great fixtures and guys want to play at that level, but you can play it on a Wednesday. I think everyone else can still play for their club. Maybe not just first of Dean, maybe it's like first of Dean under 15s

27:40as a school perhaps. Right, because that seems like there's a couple of national tournaments under 15s and stuff and those guys end up going into first of Dean rugby, but yeah, I think that's got, yeah, I hadn't thought about that. There's a lot of decent ideas about how to hurt and dice. Who to thought lash? I don't know. And that is something that we will continue to discuss throughout the show and want to hear from you as well on 003. It is a great conversation to be heard. There's a lot of care and I think that's quite comforting too. A lot of care factor about the direction in which Rugby Union goes in this country and I think that's a great conversation. A gender too. No, I put it in the headlines team, actually, Client stepped down, NREL comes out and says Warriors should have been awarded a penalty for that, I escort on Lecker-Hullis-Cimer. I just want to get your thoughts on sporting competitions and sporting bodies coming out after the fact and sort of just saying, yeah, we got that one wrong. I feel like it doesn't change anything. It just rubs a bit of salt into the wounds as she has Warriors fans, but

28:42would you rather have just kind of the Warriors, not the Warriors? I guess I would have just said that myself, so I guess if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, you're kind of on a hiding to nothing really, aren't you, for the NREL? You've run saw what happened. Do you really need to come out and admit it? Like, because bottom line is bread. I kick a pen or a go, goes to extra time, they may or may not win the match. I think it's probably the right thing to do the NREL if it was to cost someone a game. Like if it was a try to go ahead and win the fixture. But, yeah, I don't think there's any real need to come out. It's sad, I think it maybe Cameron George wants to showcase to Warriors fans that, yep, see, we should have actually gone to Golden Point or we should have actually won the game, we've been robbed, we've been stiff, everyone can feel hard done by, but I don't think it accomplished as much. Well, especially in that specific scenario, because Ashley Klein has to make a decision in the heat of the moment, like as it's going live, like we, it wasn't sent upstairs,

29:43it wasn't the bunkers call. So we didn't have a challenge at that stage to be. So, in the heat of the moment, you can't expect the referee to get absolutely everything right. And I think I saw Sean Johnson say this morning that, he thought that Ashley Klein actually had a pretty good game. There's, in terms of officiating it and letting the game fly as well as possible outside of all the mistakes that both teams made, he had a pretty good game other than, yeah, Matt May, he might have missed a call here and there in the heat of the moment, but I think more so, if it's a big bunker call, like you're sort of saying in the act of scoring a trial or something like that, then you're sure that there's probably maybe a bit of benefit to try and help get those calls right. But I think also that's something. Yeah, that is. And I think what Warriors fans also maybe note out in the duration of that game, throughout kickchaces, there would have been two or three escorts that weren't called. Because this one happened in the dying moments,

30:43everyone gets up and arms about it. I mean, did the NRL come out saying anything about why Leotale wasn't sent to the bin for the shoulder to the head on Kalamponga, which has seen many of the likes be sent for 10 minutes throughout the course of the NRL season? I just feel like it's Cameron George asking for it, please explain. That's fine, but he's probably also better off asking his players for a please explain around, well, how can you score three tries across two home finals matches? And against a new cast, also, I've been completed at 73% missed 62 tackles and made 17 eras. I think you better off pointing the finger in that direction and maybe looking to rectify those problems. Because if you can do that, you start relying on referee decisions. I think that's a mic drop moment for you. That's where the winner is. I don't know how it turns me. The referee delashes sticking the boot into the last game. He's done it two days in a row now, Brad.

31:45James, he's shot him up for me. It's just, and Chris has just text him saying he used to love the show, but I'm so anti-warries. I'm not. I'm just realistic, Chris. I'm not going to sit here and be a cheerleader when I feel like the warries, or not anger, but focus should be best placed elsewhere, instead of crying foul. That's what I'm saying, Chris. Webe in Lashin, for Milzian Guy here on Sport Nation. Thanks to the great team at Kogan Mobile. We'll take a break, come back on the other side, and we'll change tack a little bit. We'll catch up with the Texan Sheen on double-eight, double-three, but we'll talk a little bit of stagdood stuff to ahead of Webe's big day this weekend. It's Lashin, Brad Webe in four Milzian Guy today. Thanks to the great team at Kogan Mobile. Double-eight, double-three is the Texan Sheen number. Let's get to it. There's a few varied ones about Rugby and the Warriors here. Hi, guys, Brad. You're so correct.

32:45You can play Rugby anywhere, and anytime your life at all parts of the world Lee doesn't have that. Anthony, it's a very good point you raised there, Bradley. Far more jobs. If you're coming out of school, wanting to be a professional athlete, you can play far more jobs in the world of union in there. Surely, guys, the Women's Games should follow the cricket model. Just have a limited number of fully paid players and the rest, basically, amateur with some per-game payments, we're necessary. That's from Kevin. I think that's something that'll definitely be looked at at that summit on Thursday. The Women's Games, I guess, the cats keep becoming far too fat there with too much cream. I think there needs to be a restructure there of investment, whether we can supplement phariparmacup and Super Rugby All-Picky. There's a big question to be asked, the fact that we went to a Rugby World Cup and lost a Canada who were fully amateur. Maybe that should have been the writing on the wall there that the investment isn't necessary if we're going to go there

33:45and just achieve what we did. Bear and mine, Ladys, this is from Sean. The Knights would have been without Ponga for over time as well. It was on Vossys' program this morning, Climb made just under 6000 decisions in that game. Does that sound right? 6000 decisions? That can't be right. 6000. They're counting every pass, every ruck. I don't know. 6000 is a lot. There's no chance. Every tackle that a player makes. That's got to be a typo. 6000. 600. Yeah, maybe. What do you know? Well, it depends on how they obviously factor in everything. But bottom line is they're making a lot of... Yeah. ...and there's a lot of dialogue going in the air throughout the whole time, even while the game's moving. So it's a thank-loss task. I'd hate to be a ref. Like genuinely would hate it. When they're ref-free, a perfect game, no one cares. But they get one or two things wrong. And that's the nature of the beast, isn't it?

34:45This one here saying, we are regularly hearing narratives about rugby, struggles and league dominance in terms of fan engagement. Thus, how many league fans are backing up this week for our domestic championship? How many league fans even know it is on or exists? As a rugby fan, I follow out domestic New Zealand rugby league comp, which is sadly watered down to two weekends and watched by Bugga Rural fans. As it represents the ethos of why I enjoy the sport, but the standard of athlete is well below that of the NPC. I do not get enthusiastic about any privately owned franchise. Sport like the Warriors. The profits go back to the fat cat and vistas. And then I'm just trying to find it because it's just cut. I can read it if you want. Fat cat and vistas, which leaves a bad taste when they play a development model in any part of the world, is to simply pray on young rugby players who are developed through social, community and club investment via volunteers. NZR was central contracting and community ownership is one of the last bastions for sport and our professional times. It should be celebrated because it means the game still belongs.

35:47Love that. Wow. And it belongs to the people. Sorry, I'm just trying to... People are not snake oil salesmen like the landies whose primary purpose in this country is to eliminate fan engagement with rugby. That's the end of the text from Brad. Thank you, Brad. That's a great text. There's a lot that's really great. Brad, you're probably quite an intelligent man. Maybe more intelligent than me. Great name. And I do wonder, you know, like, how many league fans there are and how many warriors fans there are. Like, how many warriors fans are switching off from the NRL this weekend, neither? Will they just on the wagon? Do you know what I'm trying to say? Are they watching the dolphins and roosters at 10 o'clock this Friday night? Do they actually like that? Probably one of them, for sure. Yeah, I only really watch the warriors, the odd league. I watch the cram final for sure. That probably will watch highlights or if it's on. Watch the games this weekend. But I'm not as invested when the warriors aren't there, absolutely. He raises a good point though, right?

36:47And that the club rugby in New Zealand is like the lifeblood of the game. Yeah. And lifeblood of some communities out there. Yeah. And how many of these league so-called fans are involved in their grassroots rugby league club? Very good point. Mills is big on this, eyelash. She always talks about community and that when... Yeah. ...you always say is the back-and-mai day thing, Brad. So old. He always talks about weekends being club sport on Saturday, everything's closed, people at the club volunteering, making money behind the bar, things like that, and you don't really get it as much anymore. He's a big advocate for it, same with Brad on the text machine. That's a side of changes, isn't it? Yeah, usually. Yeah. Last year was so right and I'm sure the great Brad Weber will agree with this. I coached a couple of cricket teams. Yes, different sport. So to the team, you have to be better than one or two bad decisions. Every game of sport, you have to give yourself the best chance throughout the duration.

37:49Cheers, big fan of the show, Matt. Yeah, it just goes to my point about the sour grapes of the referee's decisions. Which of course, well, then I read that the escort one was completely wrong. But while that can be very frustrating for a fan-based Brad, maybe the spotlight should turn to, okay, how can we actually get better? Because bad referee's decisions happen. How can we take that out of the equation and win an inarral title? We mentioned it yesterday as well, didn't we? There were so many moments elsewhere in the game that if we'd gotten right, we would have taken that last decision out of the game, we wouldn't have met it. For sure. 100% Lash Warriors were average last month. That's from Damien. They did let themselves down the last month. I think the Warriors of July or August definitely beat Newcastle. Get A-boys, is it time to A-I, the bunker? Take the human element out of the equation and go with the decision. No one to blame then. That's from Doug. I did see someone else suggest that across the pond line.

38:50It'll happen. Eventually. Yeah. These systems will get ridiculously good. Yeah, I don't know if A-I is advanced enough to do that just yet. In the NBA, they started using it for gold tending, actually. You know with gold tending, if it's coming down, it's a gold tend. But they used it to confirm the full arc of the shot or not. Yeah, which is really interesting. Does it take out the human element? Does it take out a bit of common sense? Do you know what I mean? Those systems can also fail. You can still have someone maybe overseeing it. But I mean, get real niggly with that, haven't you? We've had A-I for a long time. It's been Hawkeye and tennis for eight years. So it's very, very crooked. And the crooked. So it's not like it's real new. True. That's a treacherous, what is that? Who's brave enough to go, explore them. Sweet about the Waz ref's lashes. Mind you, you have mentioned a bit after the A-Bs.

39:52Losses to South Africa in that series, summary for e-decisions. Have you mentioned they need to get better? Absolutely, John. They definitely need to get better. Set piece was touched up. So I mean, I'll never really blame the referees of that South African series for why we lost the series. We've definitely got some work on in that area. For sure. Appreciate your text, Johnny. And there's none on there from Josh, which I want to get to. There's more and more coming in. Love the text. Love the feedback. Double-eight, double-three. It's a great discussion to have. When it comes to two sports that are thoroughly enjoyed by a majority of New Zealand. And we'll pick that up on the other side of the break. And we've still got to get to the Stagdoo chat. Yeah. We picked teasing that and we will get to it. So that was you and Guy, lashes and we'll be in for the two today. Thanks for the great team at Koganmover. We'll be right back. Welcome back into Melzie and Guy here on Stagdoo.

41:11Welcome back into Melzie and Guy here on Sport Nation. We'll be in Lashison for the team for Melzie back tomorrow. Rodio, the warriors have gone back to being the Who's Boys. Had 75 minutes to ice that game. Any other team in the top four put 40 on the nights given the completion rate in this tackle was line breaks. No one's saying anything about Barney getting caught twice on the last tackle or how poor our cooking was. At the end of the day, they bottled it say no more. That's from Josh, honest opinion there from Josh. And I tend to agree with you Josh. What are the chances that one of the teams left in the prelim finals that lose will go through what the warriors went through on Sunday. Re the ref bunker, howlers. They probably get an apology but season over, cheers Simon. Yeah. And that's the sour taste that would have really, really worked. Peter Vellandis Brad with a great event there at Eden Park. 48,000 warriors fans, you know, enjoying their rugby league here in New Zealand and to end the game on a sour note like that.

42:14And that's all that's being talked about. That would have really pissed off the NRL boss. Well, he forced the boys to go to Eden Park. He's out there, didn't he? I feel like they do have a shame that it backfired on him. Yeah. Just about your all time backfires. They, if they have a prelim or a grand final, bunker howler, Jeepers. Yeah. Heads will roll massively. Oh my god, everyone should take a clip and get over the loss with the warriors. They weren't good enough so take a tissue and move on because I don't think we're out of the comp yet. Neil. Yeah, okay. Yes, there's some, some people looks at warriors fans. Some of them are accepting the loss and moving on and realizing that they probably weren't good enough on the day outside of the referee house. But some still getting a little bit hurt by the discussion here. And that's all right. He runs in title to the opinion and their own feelings. It's all good stuff. Double eight, double three. We will chat to Brody Bicalis, the Canary Captain after the break.

43:14And also Paul Cullys just got back to us. They're going to chat to him not long after four o'clock too on his article about the new landscape potentially with the New Zealand rugby. The Carly Shine from you. Everything you do. Welcome back into Millsian guy here on Sport Nation. Thanks to the great team at Cogan Mobile. Get an awesome prepaid plan on all the bargains at Cogan Mobile. It certainly is a good call. We're going to talk about the latest information about the new players and former Obliacarpac Brad Weber in the chair today. What's coming up for you are about to chat to Canary NPC Captain Brody McCullister. I have a quick catch up with him because we want to get to Paul Cullys as well who's made himself available for us thankfully at about quarter past four. To talk about this report as article in the post from NZRO head of their summit and the proposed changes to the landscape of rugby here in this country.

44:18We've got to get to the bottom of the corner as well. We look forward to doing that. See if Brad and I can complete that. We'll talk a little bit of NFL and a little bit of NBA after five o'clock as well. We'll do an HIA test. Brad Lee will put me through my paces there. We look forward to doing that. And then we've still got to come up with some stagdoo chat to that. We'll get to potentially after Paul Cullys as well. But let's talk a little bit at NPC 40 now. Sport Nation. It's great to be joined on the show by Canary Captain. His name is of course Brody McCullister and Brody. Look, you read him black. She's defending champions. But when you look at the NPC table, she's a fairly close knit affair and there's no real flag bearer when it comes to competition favorites. You guys had a good one at the weekend. I guess you're opening assessment of the NPC competition so far. We're eight weeks in. We're not far from playoffs. Where do you think you and your red and black team are at the moment? Night. Welcome and thanks for your time.

45:18Yeah, thank you. Thanks for having me on. Now it's been a, yeah, awesome competition so far. For us, we're just taking it week by week. Put it self in a good spot. Sitting forth that you look at the top of the table. It's within a couple of points. Yeah, for us, we're just taking a week by week. We have to show up because the nature of the competition. If you don't show up on game day, you're going to find it tough day. We got south from this week's. Look what they done a couple weeks ago. Put a few points on Bay of Pliny and then Bay of Pliny had gone out and. Yeah, put over Hawks Bay. So she's actually a pretty tight competition and you've got to get your week right and. Yeah, turn off on game day to put it around in the field. Yeah, it's, it's damn right, Brody. And you guys were a little bit hot and cold to start the season in the fifth sort of five rounds. A couple of good wins, a couple of bad losses, but. Certainly seem to have taught and screws over in the last couple of weeks and.

46:19And looking pretty good into the playoffs. So what sort of change in the last couple of weeks that you guys have managed to find some pretty good form. Yeah, right. There was a pretty tough start for us. I think, yeah, obviously awesome winning shield and then we had a couple of. Quite turn around. I think three games at 11 days that actually took us toll and Northland. They were going great guns at the moment. Came down and played an exceptional game took it away from us. So we really enjoyed just the long weeks to be able to appear well and. Yeah, just really seen what we're putting out on the training field was sort of putting it out on the field as well, which is pleasing to see. Here you guys come out and played really well into the win last week. I know you I was on that call Brody and you were a late scratching unfortunately and. Did I know you a little bit to then see George Bell score three tries in the first half a couple on off the back of of rolling more that could have been your couple of meetings.

47:23Yeah, it was pretty frustrating. I would get in the field. Yeah. Now it's awesome to see George back out there after a pretty tough layoff with a couple of back to back cars. Yeah, just pretty proud to be further forwards to get across the line and him as well. Being able to get back out on the field and put a few minutes in. Can every captain Brody McHaleister with us, Brody, you kind of just touched on it before. I just want to get more of your thoughts on it and Brad, you know, was talking about the inconsistent start. Not only by you guys, but a lot of teams and you talked about Southland beating Bayer Plenty and then Bayer Plenty coming out and beating Hawks Bayer. As an experienced campaigner of what you are, is it more almost a mental thing for a team like Cannerbury with a lot of Super Rugby players come off with Big Super Rugby campaign to just be mentally switched on to make sure they're ready to perform in a competition like NPC more so physically.

48:23Because the inconsistency can seem to creep in for a lot of teams if you know, 5-10% off mentally. Yeah, I reckon that's huge being mentally there. Game day, well prepared. I think you've got to respect every team as well. For a lot of time into it and you just got to be really on your game. As you said, we have a tunes up on the day, well prepared and mentally in that round frame, mine will get the W. I think leading into this time of year, you're wanting to be paying finals for your home. So I think you're a result counts and I think, yeah, these next couple of weeks are going to be really big on to see who goes through and wins the competition. Speaking of being prepared, mate, you guys were really, really well prepared in the first half against North Harbor on the weekend where you guys were playing into a serious gale.

49:26So I noticed that you were running waters and you're still involved with the team. So what were the tactics going in to that game around playing into the win? Because you guys put on an absolute clinic playing into the win in that first half and in fact, I think it probably gave North Harbor the blueprint and how to play into it in the second half. I don't think I've seen that in the game where the win has been that strong, but both the sides that were playing into the win scored more points. Yeah, I think we experienced that last year. You look at the quarter final semi final and final last year was played into North West Wind. That I and serious stadiums, the experiences we had in there was still got the same core group. There was a lot of chat. We knew that there was going to be a wind around on the game. These are just the conversations that we had in our Friday training captain drunk and turning up to game day were pretty well aligned and pretty clear on what we wanted to do.

50:26You're right. North and sort of took that blueprint as well. I think with that wind playing into it, I think there was more points scored into the win than with the one. So yeah, it's pretty weird to see and it's just sometimes you can fall into that trap of. I think you can play without the ball, but yeah, just been aligned as a team. I think just the past experience has got us over the line there. We certainly won't have that issue this weekend playing under the roof, we are broke. So how does it change this weekend against against Southland? Pretty much the same. I think prepare well. And just look forward to being back under the roof. We had unreal support. The last few games that we've had to cast stadiums looking forward to playing there again, double header as well.

51:29I've got the woman in before hand. So we're pretty pretty cool afternoon in crosschurch. Brody, you're heading into a playoff run. Where do you assess the red and black so that compared to last year's championship winning title run? Excuse me, you lost the shield to a targo. During the home and away season last year, you've lost the shield to Northland during the home and away season this year. Does that kind of release the shackles a little bit and you're able to fully focus on a championship title run? Where do you think you guys have placed that compared to last year's successful season? I think we've had a few other challenges in losing it and having a couple of tough results. We've got a lot of learnings out of that. So those couple of weeks we didn't get the results. We've actually been official for our group. There's a lot of older guys in there, but a lot of younger guys coming through as well.

52:31So for them to get the learnings out of that and I think is put us in a good stead be where we are at the moment. Yeah. So I think we're in a good spot, but it's just going to be back to what I said this week on week prep. So I'm feeling that and being able to best spot come game day. I'm unsure how much foot of you watch, but I'm sure you keep one eye on the opposition and the goings-ons around the other games in the NPC. I know you haven't played everyone yet, but a few are to sort of put a finger on who you think you'll have to go through to defend your title. Who's really impressing you out there? What team do you think has a real chance at going all the way? I think you have to say Northland being pretty awesome this year. It's been pretty awesome to see how well the shield has been received up in Northland as well and bringing the community together.

53:38And it's been awesome to see them get numbers numbers to these shield challenges. So I think they're going to be a tough, um, especially if they finish top of the table. The tough team to beat up in the final. Brody, I just want to ask you quickly, how good has it been having Jame and Angely back? There's, you know, there's so many young players that come through the NPC, but it's been awesome to see so far this season. Some older experienced guys come back and how much has he given the group this year? Now he's been awesome. I think he's been awesome for us. Awesome for the younger guys coming through. I think he can't be that experienced as a young crop coming through and being able to learn off someone that's played on international stage and played overseas. So he's been awesome around that. I think he's enjoyed being back in New Zealand as well.

54:38It's been pretty cool to see you in these, um, the sounds of it loving crosshairs as well. Certainly as Brody, you know, we are most definitely loving the NPC and can't wait for the remaining fortnight and then the run to the finals all the best to you. And your Canary charges this weekend and for the rest of the season really appreciate you taking some time to join the show this afternoon. Mate, go well. Thank you very much. Good luck Brody. Welcome back into the Milsian Guy show here on Sport Nation. Lashes and former Oblac Halfback Bread Webber in the chair today at For the Team. And great now to be joined by Paul Culley from the posters. We're at a very, very interesting article on the eve of the summit with the New Zealand rugby about the potential landscape. And going forward for the game in this country. Paul really appreciate your time joining the show. Welcome, mate. First question to you is I guess what's been the immediate reaction to that article?

55:38No, yeah, your phone's been running red hot. Welcome in mate. Yeah, get after an end. Yes, it has. I do expect plenty of, um, plenty of feeling out there. Um, but really the context of this is, you know, the 20 million a year structural deficit. But using rugby as a thing. I will win. I say using rugby. I mean using rugby with a small R. It's across the game. So I mean, that's when we talk about a model thing, a model things like changing competitions and PC super rugby. We also have to look at it with a hard head and that is the economic space in the game in this country. So there's urgency around it. Um, there's a lot of feeling around it. And, um, you know, there's something that in, uh, in Wellington, I mean, it really should be live stream. Shouldn't it? Yeah. Definitely should be. And look, so the report and your article says there's been, uh, what three different proposals released.

56:41Um, can you just kind of explain to our listeners out there? I guess the three options on the table that have been presented to your knowledge. Correct. There's three options on the table. And there's an important distinction to be made here around the option of getting rid of super rugby and you can be seen replacing it with a yet to 10 team national competition. My understanding that's not reflective of New Zealand rugby position. I executive in the board. It's come from the provincial unions, but in saying that provincial unions, as we all know, are voting members of New Zealand rugby. Hardy, influential, long histories. And, uh, it has been their, their idea to get that discussed on Thursday. So that's one option. The second option is a expanded super rugby. So the teams have got at the moment plus two to come likely from provincial unions to extra provincial unions. And the third option is essentially a status quo, but the amalgamation of Auckland, the blues, like, cuddle, chiefs, and so on and so forth, right to five super rugby centers.

57:52So wherever where you look at it, I would suspect that major changes coming. So, Paul, it's really interesting and you mentioned that stakeholders that are going to be at this meeting and that obviously includes all the NPC teams or the representative from each team. And I really interested that you said that the potential to blip super rugby or and to expand it just to a eight to 10 team that came from the provinces themselves. Was that specifically a couple of unions in particular, like your Hawkes Bay, your Taranakis or is this the whole NPC, I guess, executive's united? Well, the idea to go to a eight to 10 team national competition to get rid of super rugby. That comes from the provincial unions as they understand that there was a white paper that they've reduced and that's been the foundation for that proposal. The other ideas or the idea that you just mentioned, I think, of the existing five super rugby teams and now the two extra.

58:55That's been discussed over a number of years. I think it was originally part of the other typical report a few years back when they ultimately decided that there wasn't the resources to have seven using super rugby teams. So that proposal to me looks like something that's been gathered from previous reports and has just been put on the table. None of these options are preferred where long way off from having any of these options have not status. In some way, it's a kind of robust conversation starters. But intuitively, I'm actually quite interested in that idea. There's an infamous story quite fresh to me, but I quite like that idea of the five super rugby teams and then two extra because it would give you those extra using Darby's a bit of extra tribalism. I think everybody can see is maybe lacking a little bit and then extra play and opportunities for players and museums as well. Paul, so if that was to happen and they did expand a couple of extra teams and come from provincial unions and we'll use Brad's example of Hawks Bay and Taranaki, what do you think that does to our guest communities and the unions like Manawa 2 Southland, Northland, however it may be that misses out.

1:00:13So to speak on, I guess, continuing to play at that elite level. The documents that the NPC would have to be quote marks reformatted, right, which way you can read that anywhere you want. I think it would invariably draw a harder line between the elite professional game and the levels beneath that, which is why it's just an option at this stage. And you're going to have to get agreement from a whole range of stakeholders before any of these happen. And even potentially the mildest proposal, which is effectively the status quo, but amalgamation of the provincial unions and the super rugby clubs and those five main centers looks okay on paper, but in reality, how would that work? It is often by the super rugby like to answer the blues and some of these relationships are already a little bit tense. So even the even the path of the least resistance, I think, is going to be controversial.

1:01:14Okay, and so from right and saying Paul, so this this meeting that's happening this week, that's basically going to be a presentation of all these options to the stakeholders. And then there's no, obviously there's not going to be any decision made right then and there it's more just to present these and then have some discussion around it. There are exactly. So these the documents already been presented to the stakeholders. So they're already across this. So they know when they're raven well and what's going to be discussed. But it's going to happen quickly if museum rugby follows the timeline outlined. My honest answer is that they want to make a decision by the late October on the on the future. So it was a blizzard of information, but in terms of the actual steps of the next couple of months, the year October has been a debt side of the time when using rugby decides which way to go.

1:02:16Paul, what has been on our side for a few years, but has there been any reaction from across the pond, our friends in Australia to your article or if not, what do you expect the reaction to be to a couple of these potential proposed changes? Look, I think you've even rugby spent in touch with rugby Australia. If not all the way through the process and certainly at regular updates, I think that relationships actually pretty good at the minute. So I think they have assured rugby Australia that it's not their preference to get rid of trans-tasmen. In fact, you know, they would like to keep it in whatever format that that tech. And you know, I can really sympathize with that argument because while it would seem, you know, attractive in one sense, let's just go around where we don't need Australia. You know, we're a small country here and we saw what happened last time when we blew up one of our partners in super rugby.

1:03:16What's it was seeing what happened with that in the recent series against the spring box. So I think, you know, seeing rugby is position is to maintain that relationship. And we've seen in recent months, you know, a strength and you know, but really with the undercast next year as well. So I think you've seen rugby has been in touch with rugby Australia this year. Look, it's not coming from us. This is not our idea. This is coming from the provincial unions. Okay. Very interesting indeed. And just on that privatisation, it's obviously the hot talking point on this show and on this station a lot. And other parts of the media, you're definitely here about it and there seems to be a certain appetite for private money and private investment, particularly at that super rugby level. How likely do you believe it is in the near future or the not too distant future that New Zealand rugby will hand over the keys for one of a better term to private money and private investment to run their franchise competition? Yeah, that conversation is definitely happening. I've been worried about addressing it because you don't want to conflate the two issues.

1:04:23But privatisation is a separate piece of work that's been driven by the super super rugby clubs. So they've been keen to keep it distinct from what's going on with the structure and the system of using rugby. But, you know, I think that I've moved towards privatisation. If super rugby is maintained, is almost inevitable, may not be the full privatisation that we associate with maybe the top 14 in France. But I do think that using rugby is keen to get additional money through the door, high quality government governance, high quality investors. And people are very worried about privatisation. It's almost become like a dirty word. But I would say the one example that supports it is super running last year. That didn't come from using rugby or rugby history. That come from the crusaders. They went in and purchased that and made it happen. So that is an example of what can happen when you have a bit of energy and you better empathise coming from the clubs.

1:05:32So privatisation is a really interesting discussion. I think the short answer is super rugby is maintained and I think we will go on that path to a certain degree. I think that makes a bit of sense. There's so much ideas and talent out there that could help our game. Paul, what are all the options that you've presented? You've obviously seen everything in some pretty good detail. What would you like to see? What's your stance on the options? It's such early days that as I said at the start, I am drawn to this. I want to find out more about this option of the current five teams plus two more. I don't think that New Zealand can run a 10-10 competition to master competition. I just don't think there are players right there. I mean, I love the NBC, but there's nowhere that defensively what we've seen in the NBC would prepare players. Exactly. I would have proven to inject 35-o'-o'-o into the system, but I don't think we've just seen in South Africa what the elite looks like.

1:06:42The competition that New Zealand and Australia needs has to try and get to that level. But I am interested in this plus two idea because I think Hawks bear almost straddling the NPCs. It could rugby as it is. Maybe you could have a wealthy private investor like Brad Weber for the money is earned in funds, but putting some coin in there as well. I think there's talent for you to fix possibly seven, but not ten. And just lastly, Paul, from us, I really appreciate your time. I'm interested, obviously, the big topic of discussion at this summit will be Super Rugby and NPC, but what about some of the other branches of the New Zealand Rugby game? Obviously, the woman side of things, the heartland competition, sevens programs, is everything on the table to be discussed and potentially rejigged? Everything's on the table in a sequence. The first stop in that sequence is the man's competitions.

1:07:44That figure I mentioned at the start, the 20 million in savings that New Zealand Rugby needs to find. That's not coming from just the competitions, that's coming from rugby system delivery, the money that's spent throughout the country, running rugby programs, and also using rugby players and staff. So, you know, benchmarking New Zealand rugby's own head kind, possibly, according to the real priorities. So it's all on the table and the savings will come from those three distinct areas. But the first one up is man's competitions, and that's where we're discussing that today. Brilliant. Something we'll watch with interest for sure about the direction in which the game goes in this country pool, Cully. You're all over it from the post, and we really appreciate you taking some time on the back of that great article from yours today to come and chat to us on the show, mate. Thanks for having me. There you have it there, Paul Cully, from the post on the back of his very, very insightful article about the goings-ons that ends it are ahead of their very, very important summit on Thursday.

1:08:50Bradley, we'll take a wee breather, and on the other side of it we'll dissect that, we'll get to the Tex Machine on Double-Lite Double-3, and we'll do a couple of things that we've been putting off, maybe an HIA test, or a little bit of stagdoo chat as well. Don't go anywhere. These tires, some paper, and in the hall of fame, yeah. Where it is, lashes and former Oblac Heartback Brad Webber in the chair for Milzian Guy, today thanks to the great team, Cogan Mobile, get a Cogan Mobile 15 gig monthly prepay plan for just $25 a month, Cogan.com. It is clicking awesome, Rodio. We'll get to this Tex Machine, Brad Webber, other central Vikings back. Yeah, baby. Vikings are back. They're definitely good. What else we got here? Whatever NZR come up with, they need a competition that develops young players to be Oblac's and sharpen the skills of those who are in the Oblac system. Talk of going alone without Australia is bloody madness, they need us and we need them.

1:09:53And I hate the way I was putting the boot into Super Rugby, it needs a revamp, yes, and needs to grow with the times, but there's still lots of passion and love for this competition. It's a fair text. Yeah, it needs its tweaks, needs its polish, but all's not lost at all. I would like NZR to be a bit of a super in favour of keeping NPC, but make the unions reapply for a license, which includes private investment to prove the union is able to be financially sustainable. If the current unions cannot meet the standard required, they may be dropped or have to join with another union to meet the standard EG Northland and North Harbour forming. I would add a three game North vs South series, three sellouts for Revenue and Increased the TV deal. Also add a Champions League with Australia, Japan, US and South Africa, again bigger TV deals with bigger markets, interested in our product. In our route, I have shown the blueprint NZR would own, and then unfortunately that text just got a bit long and cut off for me.

1:10:57But there's some stuff to dissect there, Brad. There's only so much room in the calendar, isn't there, right? Yeah. And everyone wants a piece of the pie and the broadcasts dictate a lot. I would love nothing more than a three game North vs South series. I think that honestly, no bullshit. I'm not going to say I'd get to the level of state of origin with their 25 million people, but I feel like it... When you've already got a geographical advantage with literally North and South Island... Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I could really, really... I played in the last one. 2020? Wow, 2020? It didn't just end to shut the doors about three days before the game? Yes, we played it without fans. Yeah, but it was still a fantastic game. One of the great games at footy. Well, Jordan takes a ball over the top of the chart to win the game for the South Island. That's right. I was part of the South Island. Yeah. Which... because they kind of did it as like an all black trial, spread the talent, didn't they? Yeah, they'd basically. It was in fairness. It was with the old rules were where you played your first provincial game.

1:11:57Right. Okay. Obviously times had changed since those old rules, but they basically just fudged that so that the teams were relatively even. But the crowd was predicted to sell out though, wasn't it? Oh, definitely. The cover shut the doors again. Yeah, it was a great game. More Super teams, we struggle with five. Look at the Highlanders. Struggle most years for death while others have 10 to 15 all blacks. If talent was truly moved around, no problem. And I'm a crusader supporter from Brendan Yeah. If that is to work, eight teams or whatever, hoarding talent couldn't happen. It almost has to be a full reset in a way. Yeah, you'd have to have almost like structures to... Do you have a draft? Potentially could read draft. Wow. Yeah, that's a good idea. You know, you could put a... What they have in... Is it NFL? They put a French eyes tag on players that can't be touched. So maybe each Super team currently could have a five to 10 French eyes tags. And then your front-hours goes into a draft. Yeah. I like it. I don't have to play the same way I would take that off.

1:12:59Hey guys, mind you. Rugby has its referee issues. On the big stage, remember last World Cup final, Sam? Can't you get me certainly remember that? I think all sport has there, you know, a fish-yating issues to be quite honest. Definitely. It's because they're human. Yeah. Football's, you know, blowing up at the moment with the way it's going over there in the Premier League. You couldn't have an AI ref in rugby union. Put it that way. No chance. There'll be a penalty every rock. Yeah. There'll be a penalty. The Q and A ladder says a reason NRL Scouts go to watch age group rugby and secondary school tournaments, because there is very little return on investment from local junior league tournaments. Interesting. I mean, I guess the NRL would just absolutely love rugby union pathways developing talent for them. And then they just go and, you know, cherry pick which ones they want. Which I've done for years in Australia too. So many years. Many years, isn't that? Right, I brought, well, we'll give out the Tex-Machine a little bit, but let's change to the tack a little bit. Because I want the Tex-Machine involvement here too on 0083.

1:14:00Brad Weaver, getting married to the lovely Shannon in the near future, which means Stagdo's in store. That's it. And you have your Stagdo this weekend. First of all, nerves. Some Stags don't want to walk towards it. Others really embrace it. Where do you sit on that? No, I'm really excited. Yeah. Why actually I've been looking forward to this day for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? Okay. Do you have any inkling of what's coming your way? I know that the... No. The short answer? No. I do know that they've split us into... into like a little mini-teams as far as I know, as in little things of my life. Right. A few controversies in there, potentially. I think it will be played on. Yeah. Which is very up the alley of my university and high school friends. And... But you're obviously at an age where you've been to plenty of weddings and plenty of Stagdo's. What do you reckon is the difference and a good and bad one. I like the one where it's... It's not just... You're just punishing the Stag for...

1:15:01everything and anything. Yeah. I like it when others get involved. Right. And they have to be... Maybe one person is involved in each punishment as well. Yeah. So that kind of shares the load a little bit. I can take a little bit off the Stagdo. Actually, when to... Funny you mention this. Because I went to a Stagdo a couple of weekends ago in Queenstown. And there's a couple of Australian boys on it. Yeah. And they were... So... I don't know if shocked is the right word, but amazed that... The way we do Stagdo's over here is just like... Literally just punishing the bloke. Yeah. They were like, you know, usually we like to have just fun. Yeah. You know, everybody having a good time, not just... Everyone just roughing into this one bloke. Yeah. So I reckon maybe a bit of that would be nice to speak in. Yeah. Take a little bit of the load off. But now you're also going to a Stagdo this weekend as well. So on the other foot... Yeah. Are you looking forward to punishing said Stagg or are you wanting to... Well, he has been on the show talking about... He has a friend of the show here, the Great World Jordan. And it is his Stagg this weekend. And I feel like he'll be somewhat nervous for sure.

1:16:02But I've been on my fair share nowadays. And I'd love to hear you guys on 003, what makes a good Stagdo or what are any mustos or don't do on a Stagg. I kind of... It's funny. Standing around for half an hour watching the Stagg get punished. But then it can get a little bit tiring. So I like kind of activities where you're wrong can get involved and do some stuff. I think this weekend we've got... But a can of whole Ambrose Golf. Nice. Which I'm going to really enjoy on Friday, which will be good. And then we're out on the boats on Saturday. Nice. Always something going on. Because other Stagg do's have been on. It's just been... Stand around with your stubby in your hand. Even though I'm going to just take spot shots. Yeah. I mean, that's a bit of a laugh. But I can get a little bit tiring too, particularly when the blight gets carried out at 4pm. You know, it gets tucked into the bead. But they are a great pastime in New Zealand. So I would love to hear from people. Any Stagg do stories or any Stagg do ideas?

1:17:02Fire them through. Yeah, the unfortunate thing for you, I suppose, is that your potential Stagg do in the future is still to come. Yep. So you're going to have to maybe not be so aggressive on the punishing to Will, because he'll get his turn. Correct. But Brad, you know being that. And if that day comes, I mean, at the moment I can barely get one to stay the night little loan for life. But if that day does come, there will be blikes queering up. Correct. No, they will be queering up. So I'll just have to take what comes in. And that's all good stuff. But let us know, double eight, double three. What we'll do, we'll take a quick break, come back on the other side. I think Fim Bulls has got a magnificent seven lined up for us. Still to come, we're going to be talking a little bit of any foul. We're going to be talking a little bit of MBL. And we're going to do an HIA test as well after five o'clock. So plenty happening here on Webe and Les, on Sport Nation, thanks to the great team at Kogan Mobile. Well, it's going to know you're me.

1:18:04Radio football is time to play the magnificent seven where Brad Weber and I have got to guess the seven names or records or people. However, it may be on this list. And what they achieve. So that's RIP Straight Inter. We get a couple of lives here though, eh? Two. Yeah. And I need the top seven most capped NRL players who have also RIP presented the Kiwis. Oh. Jepus. Okay, so it's like... Might be easier than you think. Yeah. Yeah, you're Ruben Wickeys. Yeah, I'm thinking Ruben. Stay C-C. Sean. Benji. Lockin, Benji Marshall, please. We'll just get him straight away. Benji Marshall's number one. Yeah. 300 gamer. 356. Right. Benji's one. So we think... Oh, we know who else is there. He's a 300 gamer, isn't he? Simon Manoring. Of course. Yep. No Brainer. Lockin, Infinity Bulls. He's off the list. Oh, my God. Sorry, what?

1:19:04He's off the list. He's number nine. Yeah. Yep. Does it say how many games? 31 for Simon? Oh, my God. That's throwing a... These bikes are all obviously 300 gamers in. Oh, jeez. Oh, I thought he was a certainty. Okay. Rodeo. That was a real spatted, all that gentleman. Yeah. Massive. Man, I thought it was like an absolute lock. Yeah. So what? Benji's number one with 356. Correct. And Manoring's ninth with 300 and what? Manoring is... Sorry, not ninth, my bad. He is 8th, actually. Okay. He's 301. Right. So he's just messed out. Mm-hmm. How many stays play? I don't know if he's a 300 game. I don't think I don't know if he is either. Is Jay? Is Jay didn't get a 300 either, did he? I don't think so. No. I'm thinking Kieran foreign. That's a good one.

1:20:04He would have bought... Yeah, I think he's defying play 300, is he? And how much was Manoring 301? Yeah. So he only needs a couple more. Yeah, so Manoring is number eight. Okay. That's lockin', or should we lockin' Kieran foreign? Yeah. Okay. Lockin' Kieran foreign? Kieran foreign? Yeah. Number four. Okay. 318. Jesus, that was... We were moving, actually. 318. See, you're already one life down. You were so certain as well. Rubin, how much... How many Rubin were he playing? Yeah. Are we sure he played? I don't know. I'm not sure. How else we got? How else we got? What are some other options of ours? Uh... Manu. Butterfly. It's an Arfi. Did he play 300 games? No. It's a lot of... It's a lot of... It's a lot of you know, Rell. Uh... Adam Blair. Adam Blair, yep. So you're 300 gamea? I don't know. Jared, why are you high groups?

1:21:04I mean, he played. Good shout. Good shout. Yeah, it's just... Let's keep him there on the list. Okay. Got to need one soon, Jents. Yeah, see it. Um... Who are we most confident in? Worried high groups, I think. Okay. You're not sure. I'm looking at you. I'm thinking Adam Blair. Okay. But... Yeah, Adam, I'm Adam Blair. It's a different story. Well, go... You were right with Ivan Cleary. You stay here. You know, let's pick it in. Okay, let's go Jared, why are you high groups? Fifth. Beautiful. 316. Nice, we be. Okay. Jared, can... Oh, wait. Are we going? Do we need to go older? Yeah. Potentially. Ah. Gosh. For me. Okay. So, with a Nico, how many do you play? Yeah. We've got a grandstand named after him, and now we're... Yeah. Yeah, that's a good shout.

1:22:05I'm Tobit and Nico. Er... Are you hookers? Who is it? Who's our hookers? It's been no one really. No. Are you Nathan Fain or... Man, it's a higher... Yeah, a higher? How many do you play? Played a lot. He played a lot of footies for the Warriors. Lot of footies. Yes, Jay. How many Roger play? I mean, he didn't play 300, did he? Yeah. Did he? Even with this time and union. So, we're thinking Adam Blair. We're thinking... Tower with a Nico. Tower with a Nico. Thinking... Er... GC Bromwich? GC Bromwich? What do you play 300? I feel like he played a lot. And because he went to the Dolphins as well, remember? Yeah, he did go to the... Yeah. Okay. What an E1 Genre. Okay, let's lock in GC Bromwich.

1:23:05He's second. Okay. Oh, we're out of here. 338 games. We're out of here. In the NRR. Orican Adam Blair played 300 games. So, we throw Adam Blair in there. No, you back it. We still got a lot. Adam Blair. Lock it in. Oh, yeah, dear. Look at that. That's like that, son. We got one more life on. I love it. Yep. Adam Blair. Tower with a... What a... What else we got? Jeepers. Sinters. Yeah, Manu. Roger. Your own option. Did he say not play 300? Don't think Sean Johnson played 300 games, eh? He had a lot of injuries, I suppose. Yeah. The voice of rugby league for sport nation, Sam, he just walked into the produces, both. I reckon he'd smashed this list. Yeah, he would. I think Nathan Caillus played a lot of footy. Oh, I know. The Jason Norton Gale played 300 games.

1:24:06Oh, that's a good one. No, 300. Oh, he played a lot of footy, eh? Orican... One of the great white bettlers. Jason Norton Gale, Finn Bulls. Whoa. Oh, okay. Are you looking at it? Are you pretty confident, though? Orican, he played a lot of footy, eh? Well, as I said, I think the ballers need some names here. I think we're gonna have to... Did we lock an atom blare? No. Finn, did we lock an atom blare? I'm gonna lock an atom blare. Anemblia's there. Yeah, thanks. So we'll go around in a 30-1. You need six and seven. Six and seven, okay. So, do you want me to read out who you have said? Yeah. Ben G. Yeah. Jesse Brawmich, Anemblia, Karen Forron, Jared Wiley, Hargraves, and Simon Manoring was just off the list. So, do you need six and seven? And I'll give you a clue because we are running out of time. You've mentioned one of them, but one of them you haven't mentioned. Okay.

1:25:06Only one. My god. Yeah, so you're in a bit of trouble. Who do you think you're gonna be? You're gonna be able to read who we have mentioned. We've mentioned Nightingale, Estee, Arties. And I'm gonna need your speed enough because I'm gonna have to play. I think lots of players, 300th, hadn't he? Roger. You not played 300? Lock and Jason Nightingale. Jason Nightingale's not in the list. Oh my god. You're a nice guy. Come on boys. You got Nathan Kailas, Roger Toivas, Jake Tauwara, Nick A. Oh no. Hocka. What's his name? What's his name? He got 50 seconds. What's his name? You know his name. The textbook team will be on this. Come on. Not fully. Yeah, fully Luke. You think you play 300, do you? What was that Luke would have played 300 games wouldn't he? Are we locking in? You got 30 seconds. We've mentioned one. That one, we haven't mentioned. So maybe we just locked that one in. No, we'll try somewhere we have met. Roger Toivas, Nathan Kailas.

1:26:07Come on. Roger Toivas, a check. No. Oh. Ruben Wickey. Oh, I'll work it wrong. 311. Jason Tamalolo was 7th. Oh. He's played for Tonga and the Kiwis. Yes, I don't think so. I got you there. I don't think we didn't lock in Ruben Wickey. Ruben Wickey. That's why I said I was like, can't believe you ever got him. Oh my god. We'll be right back. How many of these are bowlers though? These are mostly badders, right? Well, bowling can be tough to do. Honestly, it's boys. Actually, it's boys.

1:27:07It's the constitution, it's Marbo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe. And, you know, that's it, it's the vibe. It's the vibe. It's the vibe. It's the vibe. One of his teammates has come running over and throwing the big high five and he's missing, got him right in the eye. I feel sick, darr, crushing his face. Was just pathetic play by Pakistan. Very, very stupid indeed. It's a bit like a custodian, it's no time right? It's okay. I just do see it, but then. And milzy. I think. I know that text says I don't kick too many girls, but come to 28th at the scene with the heart. We out there. J.F.E and I come out. That was good stuff. Which sports movie is this quite from?

1:28:08Nice and easy one to get we started. If we look Jamaica and walk Jamaica and talk Jamaica and is Jamaica, then we sure as hell better Bob's Lid Jamaica. That's very, very good. Thank you, sunken. Brawl has got to the front. Cease it be and actually rallying here. It can't be with old cock. As they raise up towards the line, old cock, Cease it be in the urban sprawl. And it's old cock, the cannon regees. Old cock gets up to beat Cease it be. Welcome back into sport nation. The milzy and guy show lashes and former obliac heartbeck breadweber. And the cheer today thanks to the great team at Cogan Mobile. About to talk a little bit of NFL year. The season. The 18 week season is started two weeks down. Some interesting storylines already. And the fortnight. It's a big beast. It's an absolute behemoth. The NFL and we'll talk to Laurie Hirish from ESPN. Host of NFL afters. About the goings on there and the NFL.

1:29:10Later on this hour we'll talk a little bit of NBA. And then we'll talk about the NBA as well. The break is bang. After a fast start over the Ilarwara Hawks and plenty of excitement building about what they could possibly do this season. And we're also going to put me through an HIA test as well. We look forward to seeing how I fear there. After no head knock on the real chance of not passing the HIA. So we'll have a look there. The text machine. We've just played the magnificent 7. The top 7 in RL games. That's right. That's what it was. The top 7 of them. Few people would suggest RTS. Nathan Kaylas was on there. Isaac Luke was on there, which was when we went with Lake Doors. Adam Blair, Steven Kourney. He wasn't on there. Just to remind of Fimbals, do you still have him in front of us? People joining in. Those top 7 Kiwis. Captain the NRL of all time. Benji Marshall, Jesse Bromwich. Adam Blair, Karen Foran. Jared Widerer, Harvgraves, Ruben Wickey and Jason Tom Malolo.

1:30:12Yeah. Ruben Wickey, you said that, really, Doors, Brad. We should have rolled with that. I don't know if we would have got Tom Malolo though, I know. That's a tough one, because he's Jule International. But I did say that as represented the Kiwis. And he has. He definitely has. I think we just thought we'd already locked in Ruben A. Yeah. And then just completely forgot about him. We forgot about him. How? The great man. He mentioned him early, Doors, and never really brought him up again. Well, that was easy. Yeah, no, you beat us there for balls, well done to you. Thank you. It was good one though, like that. It was. It was. Well, like there was a couple of niche ones in there, like Warrer, Harvgraves and Jesse Bromwich. Yeah, a couple of great shouts there from the boys. But a lot of front rowers that do well to play that many games. Yeah, it's impressive. Tell Malolo, you're right, Warrer, Harvgraves. Yes, she's. What's Tell Malolo on at the moment? He must be. I think 399, I think I saw. Okay. And he's got that 10-year contract that's got one more year left on it, I think.

1:31:12And I'm sure, obviously, what, one club man as well? Yep. One club man. Yeah. Not many of them these days. Not that. Super rare. Not many of them. A daily cheer Evans. Oh no, he's not even sorry. I was about to say. No, he's not. He's tri-colors this year. I finished up with the roosters. Isn't that an odd thing? Yeah, it was very. Yeah, manly boy thrown through. And then you just go to the bond I've always for the last season. So strange. Who's the, who'd be the most kept one club player at the moment? Oh, it's a quick question. Playing right now, maybe, yeah. A puppy leave from... Oh, yes. Yeah, it's a good shout. It's camera months to play 300 games. That's a, I could do a quick Google. Uh, who else? Just cycling through the teams here. Yeah. Interesting. What's Nathan on? Yeah. He must be right up there too. Oh, over 200. Yeah. Don't get injured all that often. No, it's pretty durable, isn't it? No, it's pretty durable. Munch is 255, so still all way off. These are, isn't we way off? Yeah. For sure. Um, just rebe it out here. Okay, interesting.

1:32:12Some of them may know on the tech machine, double-lite double-three. Who's the most kept one club player currently playing the game at the moment? Um, I'll try to figure that out. Okay, we're just waiting to get to Laurie from ESPN to talk a little bit of any of that. I know you're an NFL man as well, breed. Mm-hmm. Uh, it's always a great time of year, isn't it? Mondays. It's only a great time for New Zealanders. It is. And you're a big man of the Red Zone component, aren't you? It's a great product. Yeah. Especially because it is quite tough watching just one game in full. But if you're just going cycling through all the exciting things that are happening, it's quite good. Actually, in France, top 14, they have a red zone light. Oh, yeah? Because most of the games, they have one game at 230, one game at 930. On Saturday, one game at 930 on Sunday. Right. And the rest of the game's at 430. So just to explain for the end, initiate out there that may not be any felt like, what is red zone? Sorry, red zone is basically just a product that,

1:33:17it's a channel on the TV that just cycles through, because there's so many, there might be 12 games on the early slate. And so it'll just cycle through the action that's going on. Like if teams in the red zone will go on to that, if something big's happened in another game, it'll quickly jump to that. And there's like one guy, it's kind of a common time, and now we go to charges as cardinals, where Justin Herbert has thrown another intercept. Yeah. And then, you know, then that's a great app. Just fast-pike. Cycles through like that. And so you're seeing no, basically it's no ads, Ed. Yeah. Actually, I think this year, they did. They did. They did bring in ads. Absolutely. It's just like that. Ed, who? It is a bug in NFL season. That is upon us and great now to be joined by Laurie Horish from ESPN Australia and host of NFL Afters. Laurie, really appreciate your time, mate. And as I say, we're two weeks in now to the NFL season, and there's plenty of storylines already evolving. What's taken your fancy, and what's peaking your interest so far,

1:34:17early doors in the NFL season? Welcome in, mate. Oh, well, it's great to be on. Thank you for the warm welcome. And yeah, it feels like the sunny wake of Melbourne as long in the rearview mirror now. Memories will have forever, but we're back into the regular season, and the usual two and throw of the NFL, and who's emerging. And I think, off the bat, the things that are jumping out to me, I think you have to look at the Buffalo bills, and Josh Allen on level of performance, that he's thrown out there early in the season, putting himself in the MVP consideration. And his old brand Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs look like perhaps they've put the last couple of seasons where explosion and rhythm in the offense had seemingly faded away, while it certainly looked like it was back against the Indianapolis Colts and the performances they put up through two weeks. And anytime a home is rocking back and launching 50 yard passes downfield to receivers that have four to speed, that's a real problem. And the Rams are nice little statement and a return to reality. It turns out that that week in Melbourne, and the performance in week one against the 49 as well as an indictment of their roster or their talent or their coaching staff,

1:35:17just perhaps their travel plans. And we have the Seattle Seahawks, defending champions that a lot of people kind of put not to the side, but they weren't getting the usual celebratory welcome back to your champion team, and perhaps put a little chip on their shoulder where two and a start to the season, and Jackson Smith and Jig, they're looking every bit the wide receiver one and all pro first team with the three touchdowns and another mammoth dane week two. But those are some of the top lines that have been saying, especially on the positive side of things. Laurie, I could hear you talk about the NFL like that for hours, mate. That's great stuff. I do, you mentioned the Rams and how they've bounced back this week and the week that they had in Melbourne. Well, it wasn't a week was it was only 48 hours, I think they had total in Melbourne. And I've seen recently some comments that come from Rams, he coach Sean McVeigh, that they hope they don't play in Australia again anytime soon. So, like, how's that been digested in Australia? Obviously for people that don't know that the Rams have, I guess, have been assigned by the NFL

1:36:17as the team of Australia and New Zealand. So, is that really hurt the relationship between the Rams and Australia? Well, I don't know if it's on a formal basis. So, Sean McVeigh, who is an incredible head coach and one of the smartest and defining football minds of generation. And if someone who turns over all sorts of, you know, leasing stones to get edges, advantages, angles, in terms of his football operation, they got this one wrong. And yeah, he set a couple of things that, you know, didn't work overly well received by the locals. Shall we say that? And Sean McVeigh, he's actually come out after the game today. And when asked what the difference trend week one and week two was, his quote was, sometimes you win, sometimes you learn, and sometimes then you'll have to excuse me here and I hope I'm not offending the ears of the fine people of the Nation of New Zealand. Sometimes you have a dumbass coach that makes travel plans that put you in a bad spot. So, I think some of the self-reflectiveness has gone on there in the realization that 28 hours down and out part of the world. But look, I think it's something that Australia and New Zealand

1:37:19has conchairs that we know how far away we are down here. It's us, we're here together, guys. We know how far away we are down in this corner of the world. And when you come out here, we do, we're a little, we're a little thirsty and we're a little needy and we want you to come and spend time and have a good time. And so nice things, enjoy yourself. That's part of, that is part of how we welcome people to our part of the world. So when the Rams who are, yes, designated as one of the global marketing program, they designated as one of the teams in the regional and with the Eagles, the Seahawks, and the Raiders. Yeah, the fact that, you know, he said some things, they didn't spend a lot of time here. They were quite, not defensive, but they were quite, quite defined and comfortable about their, their process and the program, they put into place and lead up to the game and, and have kind of put a little bit of the Australian and the local fans offside a bit. But in saying things like, you know, we hope we're not going down that a player ever again. I think obviously a big part of that is he's reflecting on a loss and a lot of travel in a short amount of time that didn't go his way. What I think that we can take away and hope to take away from that week is that the 49ers came down.

1:38:19They spent a week here. They were absolutely embraced by the locals. Wholeheartedly. Love, there's a reason, it was already going to be a 49ers heavy crowd. They are one of the most arguably, and potentially the most followed team in the region. The San Francisco 49ers, they were always going to have a home field. There was always going to be some booze for the 49ers. But I think part of the reason the support was even added to is that they did spend that time in the community. They did something like 50 events, whether it was media or schools across the way, getting involved in local sports. Nate, that you talk about looking for every angle. They organized with a local spa. Carl, you checked their fullback said, they'd organized with a high and spa treatment center with that. All the bells and whistles to play as 10 minutes away from the team hotel to go and get all the treatments they needed every day in the night time and get their bodies right. So I think there's two processes. And the one that spent more time in the region is the one that proved the way to go. So hopefully when we get games down here in the future in this part of the world, we're getting two teams out here for seven days. That would be brilliant. And you say in the future because the NFL, much like many other codes around the planet,

1:39:21seem almost addicted to taking games overseas on the NRL. I look into take games to Tokyo next year in Hong Kong. But the NFL global, I guess, not expansion because no teams are going to be based overseas anytime soon. But taking games abroad, I ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Am I right in saying that, Laurie? No, I think this is something that Commissioner Rodger-Gadelle is certainly committed to. It's part of his agenda. He has signed on for another four years to take us into the 2030s. Take the leg into the 2030s. It's certainly something he's got eyes on. Whether that means we get a game in Australia next year, that's it, right? We get one game. When are you coming back? When do we get more? It's not always the case that you get successive years for a new country, particularly this far away that you get a game after. But from his words, and I've got the chance to speak to him, and he said, I asked him, has this mate week met your expectations? And if we finish with that 100,000 strong crowd at the MCG, does this hasten how quickly the NFL can come back to Australia?

1:40:22And he said, we already feel like we're hiring, and yes, it's exceeded expectations so far, and that was only capped off with the gorgeous day we had down there in Melbourne, and the way the operation ran. So I think we can feel confident that it's coming back to the region. You mentioned Tokyo there. It wouldn't surprise me if that's where we've seen NFL game in the next year or two, and how the NFL schedule works as well. There currently one by week per team, and each team has 17 regular season games. There's much talk about whether ownership is going to push for 18 regular season games and bring in a second by week. That's extra toll on the players, but you think about a second by week, and how that builds extra flexibility into the schedule for the league, and the fact that they could look at midweek games and not just having to stack something on this side, on the front side, the opening week of the season. So I think the potential is there, and no, I don't think international games are going anywhere. Andrews are a big part of the opening fortnight in the Enie Fowler, particularly in key positions, quarterbacks. I mean, Kyle and Murray, Caleb Williams, Jackson Dart, today, Jade and Daniels. Yeah, that's just a name of few there, but like I saw some rhetoric online

1:41:24saying that the preparation that these players put in during preseason and how protected they are, and I guess limited reps and limited time on the field, could be a factor, or is this just part and parcel of contact sport? Because I guess the NFL will be pretty angry if some of the marquee players continue to drop light flaws. I do think it is part and parcel of the contact sports degree. Now, I think there are parts of the game, the physicality, and the line of scrimmage, how teams are blocking the cohesion with some of those units. That takes a hit when you have limited amounts of contact padded work in the preseason throughout training camp. There's pretty strong restrictions about how many padded practices and how much heating and tackling actually goes on. So there's certainly a bit there, but some of these are just, unfortunately, they are the freak injuries. What happened with Jade and Daniels? It was awful to see him bracing himself after he was trodden on by his own offensive line. He stumbled to the ground and put his elbow in the ground. I don't think any level of preseason training can work. Full contact or otherwise is going to cause that Kaila Murray

1:42:24suffering the concussion. That's a big hit that he took. Thankfully, it sounds like he's going to be back in the mix this week, which is great to hear. We wait on Jackson Dart because again, the Jackson Dart hit today. That's the Manning Brothers put it on the Manning Carthage at the high low hit, where you get a contact going one way, the upper body, and contact's going the opposite way on the lower body. Something that you're holding out hope for is the fact that his leg wasn't planted. When it happens, we often see when this contact with the knee and your leg is firmly planted and goes the wrong way. We're talking about bad things. We're talking about bad things happening to players we want to see out on the field. He apparently wanted to get back into the game. Jo Shane told Laura Lidge on the ESPN Monday night football broadcast that he's going to be okay. I think there's some feeling that we might have avoided the worst case scenario, whether that means we're looking at a four week absence, a six week absence instead of a season over, free, I'm promise and quarterback, or wait and find out. For certain positions, there could be some more seasoning.

1:43:25You'd love to see some more contact work for the Linus Schirmann to be offensive lineman working together, and you're feeling of that unit during the preseason, but a lot of these things purely are just, unfortunately, the byproduct of playing a heavy, heavy contact sport. I suppose on the flip side of that, not so much the physical side of things, but just in terms of getting fluidity in an offense, there's been a couple of teams that have been meant to be sort of preseason darlings and have started really poorly, like the charges have been absolutely horrific for the first couple of games after signing Mike McDaniel as the offensive coordinator has meant to be this big genius, and the Texans as well have come out, haven't been too red hot either after a couple of rounds, and these guys, their top players don't play a lot of preseason. Do they so? The first couple of games seems like almost an extended preseason for some of them, and so where are teams like the Texans and the charges where they go from here? I think the Texans, there's promise. The record looks really awful, but they put up points against the Buffalo Bills.

1:44:25They struggled to put up points against the Bengals. That's an improved Bengals defense, and CJ Strauss did not have a bad game, and this was not CJ Strauss 2025, we're just going, oh my god, is this the guy that actually going to be able to roll out of week one next year? There's a lot of promising signs that they were doing it without Nico Collins, their best driver. I don't think any game plan for the Texans starts with Dalton Schultz needs to have 140 yards today. I think they're trying to play the game, but I think the running game, they've improved the offensive line from terrible to hopefully okay with the Texans, and then you should allow that defense, which that defense was not bad against the Cincinnati Bengals. Sometimes Joe Biro is just a masterful creative quarterback, and sometimes Tomar Chase is just an alien from another planet who makes you feel entirely uncoordinated in just your being here on this planet compared to the movements and the coordination that he's offering up out there. But for the charges, there's almost a cliche, if you're a member of the NFL media and you buy into the charges and preseason, it's almost like a stamp.

1:45:25It's like, oh, welcome to the party. They are the NFL literati's team. And once again, it is stalling. Amar and Hampton looked good, had a powerful productive day, but had a huge costly fumble. Justin Herbert has moments where it's a clever design. It's beating an edge rusher who was unblocked. It's finding a man in the end and showing off that arm talent, but again, turnovers, again, interceptions, laden games when you're trying to create something. And he's talent at the wide receiver position, not helping or at the receiver position, it's a tight end spot, not helping either with a ball fired downfield that was bobbled up and down like it was a hot potato. Only for a raiders defensive back to come over the top and take away. So for the charges, it's a situation of football. And it's just, it's that lack of consistency that is just mind-numbing because the talent is so obviously there and they have interesting, you know, needle moving brains on the coaching stuff, and yet they are so far away from the sum of their parts. And we have to wait and see if they can get this thing back on track. Because early on it would be hard,

1:46:25it would be hard press to find anyone that thought Jim Harbour would find himself in the hot seat coaching rankings this early in the season. But sitting where you are with the losses that you've had, it's certainly on people's minds. I don't think he's started, oh and two, and all his professional or college career, Jim Harbour. So that is a crazy stuff. And it's been a crazy start to the NFL season, and we can't wait to watch more of it unfold. Laurie Horrish from ESPN really appreciates eating some time this afternoon to chat to us on the show, mate. Enjoy your NFL action for the coming weeks. Always a pleasure, thanks ghost. Yes, thanks. The, have it, the Laurie Horrish from the NFL afters chatting to us about the National Football League. And there's Texas saying, hey, Leeds, what was that NFL channel called that go through all the actions? It's called NFL Red Zone. Yeah. Red Zone, it is. Like Brad says, a fantastic watch. Don't know what's here. Says here, hi guys, St. Paul Daybaby, away one against the Ravens. We are matching bad with Tyler Schoen in the drivers chair. That was a great one. Cheers Daniel, it was a great one against the Ravens. Tyler Schoenman.

1:47:25Couple of techs here about the longer serving one club man. Once his Daniel Tupo, that's probably a great shout. Yeah, it's great shout. Someone says James to this guy, but he started his career at the Tigers. Yeah. So can't be him, but Tupo is leading at the moment, I think. On the techs machine, I think it's a great shout. But we have to take a break here on the sport nation. Lashes and Webby in four milsian guy. Thanks to the great team at Kogan Mobile. We'll be back on the other side. Still plenty action to come. Where it is, Lashes and former Rob Black, backpack, Brad Webby and for milsian guy. Thanks to the great team at Kogan Mobile. We're about to be put through our paces. Well, I am. Webby's putting me through an HIA test. It's to showcase what that's like for you guys at home, the players when they come off of field, what they have to go through. But before we do that, the breakfast menu, Scotty and Izi, let's hear from when they caught up with the Tago wing of the Chok man, Jonah Nareki, on how his time playing at a Tago is going this season,

1:48:27and comparison to other teams he's been a part of. Now, I think I'm just, I'll probably enjoy it more right now that I don't know. It's just a super rugby, you know, that the comp, I think I'm enjoying it way more like the boys here there. There a bit more like below, they're just playing rugby, they're not really complicating it with, you know, like overdoing their homework, everyone's just seeing what they're seeing on the field and just playing the pitch. That's Jonah Nareki, he's a character. I'll be the job man there, isn't he? Is that a fair reflection? Webby NPC just far more relaxed. You come out of a super rugby environment, and it's just kind of not like amateur. But you know what I'm trying to say? There's probably slightly less pressure. Yeah. And you certainly, I certainly, it's a place where I've fallen in love with the game again. Yeah. A little bit like club rugby. It actually helps playing at a place where you grow up, I think. Yeah. Your homegrown province makes a big difference, I think. For sure. Plenty coming up on breakfast tomorrow.

1:49:27Sir John Kuhn's actually coming into the studio to catch up with the fellas, and he's bringing in the bledders like Cup. He's talking all things rugby in his latest project to help bring mental health out of the shadows and into the spotlight. They also hear from Jimmy Tupo from the county's Manico Steeles, a head of their Ramfield Shield Challenge and North Harvest Cam Howl. As they get ready to take on a targo, Marcus Wheelhouse's in Chicago for the president's Cup, alongside Ryan Fox. As he makes his day boo, and Josh Geary also calls into the show from a little closer to home at the Tadonger Open. And then they also check in. And what's really easy that is on one of the more inspirational guests of the year. Yep, for him. Hopefully I've got that right. I don't want to disrespect that. But Gudson, who's in Las Vegas for Mr. Olympia, where he'll become the first Maori and New Zealand wheelchair athlete to take part in the famed event. So we want a great story that is.

1:50:28And you can hear that from 6am tomorrow with Scotty and Izzy, Scotty and Bradley, time now to get put through an HIA test. An HIA baseline test. A baseline test, okay? Yes, less. So if you were to get concussion, or a particular concussion in a game, you'd come off and run this test again and compare it to your baseline. So if you want to play at home, you can write these words down as I go, the numbers as I go, and then do it later with your friends and family and see how they get on. But, Lashus, I'm going to say 10 words. Yep. And then you repeat them back to me, okay? We're going to do this three times. Okay. So you wait until after you've set all 10? Yep. You want to... Yep. You don't just repeat after me. Right, yeah. Maybe that is. You wouldn't... Yeah, it would be. Sorry, super question. There's no stupid questions on here, mate. Right, yeah. All right, you ready? Yep. Ten words. Baby. Monkey. Perfume. Sunset.

1:51:29Iron. Albo. Apple. Carpet. Settle. Bubble. I'm already close. Yeah, I'm close. Okay. Baby. Monkey. Perfume. Iron. Settle. Yep. Does that have to be an order, we bet? No, no. Oh, I see. Okay. Oh, it doesn't have to be an order. No, no. Okay. Oh, I should have realised that. Honestly, I've got nothing after that, eh? Okay, cool. You miss sunset, elbow, apple. Albo, isn't it? Yeah. So I'll do... I'll say them again and repeat. Yep. For the next time. Okay. Baby. Yep. Monkey. Yep. Baby. Yep. Monkey. Yep. Perfume. Sunset. Iron. Albo. Apple.

1:52:29Carpet. Settle. Bubble. Okay. Sunset. Iron. Settle. Albo. Apple. Carpet. Bubble. Baby. Monkey. Perfume. Bingo. All 10. Oh, there you go. I don't want my 10 to be a bass on ink. We're going to do it again, though. Okay. So see if we can do it again. It was out of order. We do it again. Yeah. Yeah. Baby. Yep. Monkey. Yep. Perfume. Sunset. Iron. Albo. Apple. Carpet. Settle. Bubble. Baby. Monkey. Perfume. Sunset. Iron. Albo. Carpet. No. Settle. Albo. Carpet. Bubble. Is there one more? One more. What if I missed there?

1:53:29Perfume? No, did I say that? You said that. I actually got another one. Okay. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple.

1:54:29Apple. Apple Apple. Apple. Apple. And if that's for your other side, I'm going like 12, no. 攬ごは 139 Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Three, eight, one, four. Four, one, eight, three. Nice. Six, one, eight, four, three. Three, four, eight, one, six. Well done. Seven, two, four, eight, five, one. Four, eight, four, eight, four, eight. Four, eight, four, eight, four, eight, four, eight. Four, two, seven. Well done. That's yep. So you passed that one. So your baseline would be... That's a lot easier than remembering words I reckon. I agree. I think that one's not too bad. Break it up into threes is that what you're doing?

1:55:30Yeah, yeah. Just sure. Okay, now I need you to repeat the months of the year in reverse. December, November, October, September. August, July, June, May, April. March, February, January. Nice work. Yeah. Very well done. Okay. So that's actually pretty good, Lash. Well, I don't have any... No, you don't. No, you don't. But if you'd played 60 minutes or a lot of 70 minutes like Calvin Pong on the weekend. Yeah. And then had a head knock, you'd have to come off and do that pretty good. Now, after that, you'd be doing some balanced testing. That would be the next thing. Right. One foot in front of the other, hands on hips and close your eyes. Yeah. Just go for 20 seconds. Maybe it's one foot on one foot, eyes close. Actually really hard. Yeah. Closing your eyes. You can see what takes 15 minutes for them. All the off the field for that a lot of the time. Well, a lot of the thing is because you have to wait a certain amount of time. Yeah, there has to be a test.

1:56:32Yeah, right. It has to take a certain amount of time before it's finished. So, yeah. Very interesting. Yeah. I hope you found that interesting at home because. And so, sorry, just before we move on. Yeah. What were those 10 words? Baby, monkey, perfume, sunset, iron, saddle, apple, bubble. And there's one more, isn't there? Two more. Two more. Carpet. And... Ah. I don't know that last one. What is it? Alvo. Alvo. Yeah. Okay. No. The words are definitely the hardest. I think they're purposely meant to be the hardest. But to be honest, I usually you'd have to wait a lot longer before you ask those questions again. Oh, really? So, there was like relatively quick. Oh, on the back up. So, they purposely give you a little bit of... Yeah, like it.

1:57:32Like it say, if you finish the balanced stuff really quick. Yeah. And if you look at his watch, because he would have started it from when he first asked the questions, it has to be like a certain amount of time. Yeah. And if you've got time, you just have to sit there and wait. And then after his stopwatch goes to zero, then he's like, okay, now what are those questions? Right. Yeah. Jeep, he's full focus in the sheds during an H-I-A. Hopefully that gives you an insight as to what the players go through when they do get sent in the N-R-L and the Super Rugby and whatever for an H-I-A. That's a tough process to go through, actually. You can see what Vloak's failed. Then he appreciates that, wevy. Great. Great, then. Roddy, what we'll do is we'll take a break here on Sport Nation. Thanks to Kogan Mobile with Lashes and Weby. And we'll come back on the other side and talk a little bit of N-B-L, particularly after the break is hot start to the season. Fast approaching at 6 o'clock at his Lashes and Weby in Femilsian. Thank you for joining us today.

1:58:32Thanks for the great team at Kogan Mobile. Right. The N-B-L season is underway and brilliant now to be joined by Joe Healey, who is an N-B-L sideline reporter. Joe, really appreciate your time. Thanks for joining the show. First things first, opening week. What really stood out for you? Welcome in. Thank you so much for having me, guys. Opening week, what stood out? Well, first of all, I was working opening night and it felt like Christmas day. It feels like it's been such a long off-site as season. And there's been so much to look forward to. It's pretty hard to go past that Bryce Cotton and Colin Anthony match up game one. That was super fun to sort of see and hopefully that rivalry kind of builds with Kendrick Davis, of course, throughout the season. But just answering all the questions that we've had in the off season, it's so hard to predict. I know, you know, everyone's had their predictions and what not. But I don't think anyone has said anything with any conviction. There's still a lot that we get to uncover. Speaking of off season narratives and stuff, Joe,

1:59:34the big signing that from New Zealand was the new head coach Gordon Herbert and everything that we're hearing out of breakers camp was that he's been training the boys really hard and getting them really fit and firing for this season after a disappointing season last year. Are you seeing those fruits of the Labor early doors? They had a good win over Alora on the weekend. Yeah, you know what? Definitely have heard really great things about Gordon in the way he's come in. And I think you can already see just chatting to a couple of the guys and even seeing their body language and things like that. They seem galvanised and much more together than they have been. I know I spoke to a couple of people within the organization towards the end of last season. Obviously, their competitors and they want to win, they want to do well, but they're almost lost a bit of belief within themselves. And I feel like that spark is back. Gordon is one of the best coaches we've ever seen here in the NBL. He's so calm and composed and garnered so much respect.

2:00:37I'm really excited to see where they go from here. It's a very interesting, I guess, mark it when you look at the bookmakers and see who's favourite. I mean, Melbourne United are favourites in Adelaide 36, as probably you expected. But I mean, you can throw a blanket nearly over the rest of them, Joe, when it comes to taking out the title. Outside the two obvious favourites, is there a team there that you think can really make some noise into this competition, barring they stay fit and healthy? Yeah, well, I think that's the big thing. Even with someone like Melbourne United, they're, you know, I can say this because I'm older than all of them, but, you know, they're, they, they need to try and stay healthy, but they're all kind of OGs of the basketball world when you think about it. A couple of the players I've spoken to have said that they're kind of worried about Tazzy. Once they, once they are fully fit. And I thought that was really interesting, but otherwise, that's, that's the exciting thing. It's the best part of our league. It's like, no one's mentioned the Kings,

2:01:38and they came out and kind of made a statement against Kancey other day in terms of going back to back. So I love the fact that it's so tight, you know, no one knows what's going to happen. And that's the, the beauty of it. Yeah, the Kings were good in preseason two, weren't they? So they're really flexing their muscles early. But, um, Joe, the, the breakers play the Brisbane Bullets, I think tonight. And the Bullets were pretty disappointing last season. If they made any improvement, and will they push our, our breakers tonight? They are a similar boat to the breakers in that they've bought in an exceptionally good coach to really try and turn things around. Um, there's a lot of question mark still over how they will, will go. They're not at full strength. A couple of the guys still out injured, but they've got some really interesting players. There's a Lithuanian import artist for Lichko who's come in who is just directing traffic and his, his passing and court vision is incredible. So someone like Ty Harrison is going to benefit from that. I'm really looking forward to seeing actually that match up with Ty Harrison and Sam and Enge tonight.

2:02:41And then Sam was huge in that first game. What do you have 27 points in eight rebounds? Um, kind of just getting to wherever he wanted to with E. He looks like he's, I mean, it's hard to see him bulking up even more, but it looks like he's gone away and gotten even stronger over the off season. So that'll be really cool match up tonight. But both teams have some sort of X factors, you could say. So it's going to be interesting. Joe, the NBA always a league and a competition scene to be gone from strength to strength. And look for the error listeners out there. Some of them may be uninitiated when it comes to, you know, the NBL and the league is a whole so. But everyone knows the NBA and the great competition that can be. What do you think is one of the biggest misconceptions maybe that you hear about the NBL that's not necessarily true? Um, I would say the level of talent that we have here. I think the, um, that the general sort of fear if you don't really know the game that well is that it's the level of talent. The level of talent is a bit lower than the NBA, whereas from an actual skill point of view, these guys are as good as the NBA players.

2:03:46You know, someone like Parker Jackson, Cartwright is an absolute machine out there. But he just doesn't have the size to probably make it at the NBA level. But in terms of, you know, his, his pace, his ball skill handling, his, the electricity, just everything he brings to the court. He's so much fun to watch and you don't lose any of that when you're watching the NBL compared to something like the NBA. Do you think on that Joe that the casual fan perhaps puts a bit too much pressure or expects too much from these imports from overseas. And particularly the guys from America, we think they're going to just come in and carve up like the talent from the Australians and the New Zealanders. Like you say, are a lot better. So perhaps the casual fan probably shouldn't put as much expectation on these, these imports. That's a good question. I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, I see, I think I see what you're trying to get at. But I mean, these guys come in. They get paid very nicely.

2:04:47And in the same way that the Aussies and a lot of the Kiwis do as well, there is an expectation. The fans want to see them out there competing. I don't see why we should take it any lightly just because they're playing the NBL compared to the NBA. Yeah. Like these guys, these guys are pros. They have expectations for themselves. I don't know why, you know, the fans and whatnot wouldn't have that either. Most definitely. Okay. So as Brad said, the breakers bullets tonight rounds out round one of the competition. And we look ahead to week two. I mean, if some fans, I guess find themselves at a loose end. I guess on this side of the ditch, the Warriors are now out of the NRL. There's no all black rugby being played. And they might find themselves pretty keen to watch some live sport on TV. What game really sticks out for you and this coming weekend that maybe some casual fans should tune in and get some NBL action? Do you know what? I was meant to be away on Thursday night. And I've just found out that I'm not going. And I'm secretly over the moon about it because there's a, there's a Melbourne throwdown.

2:05:51So Colin's knee up against, you know, someone like Dash Daniels, who's NBA bound. That's just going to be electric. And then Brass cotton is heading back to Perth for his 300th game. Both of those are being played on Thursday night. I am not leaving my sofa. I cannot wait. So if you're looking for something to watch, I would 100% get around that excellent. We can't wait for the NBL action to unfold over the coming weeks. And hopefully our breakers can go better than last year and make a big push to the playoffs. Joe Healy, NBL sideline reporter, really appreciate your times. We're time to join the show this evening to talk all things NBL enjoy the action this weekend. Thanks for having me guys. Catch you later. There you have it there, Joe Healy talking to NBL, which is a growing and thriving competition, particularly with the younger generation, we've he. Well, and to, she made a great point around how good some of these Australians and the Kiwi talent is. There's multiple Australians in particular in the NBA now. And a lot of them are some of the better players on good teams. So certainly the quality of the NBL is no doubt gone better.

2:06:55And the popularity of basketball as well in New Zealand and in Australia is, is be one of the fastest growing sports I think in both countries. Yeah, without question there. Rodeo, great to chat a little bit of basketball. This is Lesha's and we'll be infamilzy and guy on sport nation thanks to Kogan Mobile. We'll take a break, come back and wrap the show. Don't go anywhere though, because after us, the boys from running it straighter and to recap Eden Park on Sunday and that worry is lost. Welcome back in to Milsian Guile on Sport Nation, former Rob Lake Heartback bread, Weber and Lesha's in the saddle today, rounding out the show before the boys from out the gate, come on to dissect that NRL finals exit for the Warriors and bread back to back days. You've enjoyed your time. It's been good with you Lesha, no things pretty easy around here mate. I've had a bit of fun and a lot of good discussion about, well I guess most of the year, I actually saw whatever you want to call them in the sporting landscape here in this country.

2:08:02So it's always good. A lot of the discussion, passionate discussion as New Zealanders are, no doubt you would have been on the right end and the receiving end of that passion. We'll be playing it for the time. We wish you all the best for your stag to do this weekend. Yeah, please do, send hope some prayers. We hope you get through that in one piece. I'm sure you will. It'll be great times, times you laugh. Absolutely, no. It's not a good thought to excited towards it. There's nothing they could do. We'll be grateful to hearing the wash up of it. As I say, running it straight, Jello and Sammy here about to come into the studio to get stuck in there. I'm sure they would have got that magnificent 7, which was just a disappointing end. What I've loved to have come back and told Millie and Guy tomorrow that, you know what, we did a GC, we did a magnificent 7, you'd like to need it up, you'll gain. But that wasn't the case. Anywho, that's us, Dana, dust to be sure to stay on for running it straight, all things warriors.

2:09:02And then of course, breakfast with a great lineup starting with Sejong Kuku and tomorrow. He bringing in the blitters low-cap in the studio too. Something that will now I want to have dust on it. It's been in the end. I kept it for a very, very long time. Fimbals, Matt, appreciate your help, appreciate all your contribution on the text machine. We do love it here on the Millie and Guy show and Brad Webber for the last couple of days. Thank you for your work, mate. And note out we will see you again in the very, very near future. You go well. Sounds good, Lesha. Good day, mate. Thanks, Tim. We'll catch you tomorrow. This episode is brought to you by Caesar. If you're looking to serve your dog high quality dog food, just eat Caesar.

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