Miranda’s Back + Why This Obama Alum Thinks Democrats Have Lost the Plot.

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1:20Why did I say September 21st? I'm feeling fall. I don't know like you Miranda, a feel fall. I bought an Apple cider calendar candle. Excuse me from Quince, from our partners. I'm I'm I just like it is like finally percolating into the like the beginning phases of feeling fall. And I'm not going to lie. It's making me extremely happy because we are in or officially in spooky season. I'm going to tell you right now and you know that's when Miranda and I really thrive. Well, I'm going to be a good guy. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to be a good guy. Welcome back, by the way. You've been off a few shows. Sorry. It's not welcome back in my life because I talked you every day. We have some topics to get to but then we have a brand new guest to the show. Never been on before. Very excited to talk to Robbie Gupta. He worked for the Obama campaign you guys and I'm still allowing him on. Yeah. I mean, I've been a company, excuse me, founded a company that trains workers for AI proof careers.

2:24I just want to talk some shit about Democrats with him. I got a lot of things to say about Gavin Newsome, and some of the interviews Gavin Newsome did over the weekend. Um, let's jump into the Patrick Clancy of it all Miranda. Did you see Patrick? So last night he was on 60 minutes. Patrick Clancy is obviously the husband of Lindsey Clancy. I'm just going to say something really quick, because this is my show and I can say whatever I want. Ross doubt that is not good on camera. He's a New York Times reporter that was just hired to be a 60-minute correspondent. Being a 60-minute correspondent, I have always thought was pretty prestigious. Am I allowed to say that I think it's weird they didn't have a woman interview, Patrick Lansing? Totally. This is a woman's issue. I mean, a woman committed the murders. Lindsey Clancy murdered her three children. We are talking about women's issues in the sense we are talking about postpartum, postpartum psychosis, motherhood, and the clips that I saw, and we're going to play a few. It's like two men sitting around waxing poetic about women and birth and children.

3:25And again, of course, there's a father in this in Patrick Lansing. And he's, you know, some people have accused him of actually being the person who murdered their children. I'm not doing that. I don't believe that, but people have done that, including Lisa Rina. But it's just so weird to me. Like, yes, let's have two men sit around and talk about this issue that is lighting the women of America on fire. Thanks 60 minutes. Well done, everyone. I want to play this clip for you, Miranda. It's Patrick Lansing talking about the social media swarm that has made his life harder. Number one, line swarm of sloths and influencers has been dissecting every detail of the case, developing theories that portray him as uncaring, unfaithful, and even the murderer of his children. How do you respond to people who have that idea about you? It's deeply harmful to the legacy of my children. It is a huge distraction from what really matters here, which is perinatal mental health. And it's done real harm.

4:26It's a real people. Myself included, but also others. How does it affect you directly, the stuff that's out there online? It's painful to see. And it makes it difficult to be in public. And it's possible that some of those people after seeing lie, after lie, after lie, they start to believe it. That's what we're left with. OK, so he went on to say that he still believes Lansing's mental illness caused the killings and says that he has forgiven her, even though she never asked for forgiveness, which I think that's just dastardly. And he said he felt that holding on to anger would have quote, eaten him up forever inside. He also revealed that he is remarried to fertility doctor Rachel Danis and the earned fact starting a family. I want to get to the second clip in a second, but just your initial thoughts, Miranda, I actually, from the clips I saw, and I wholeheartedly say I did not who watches 60 minutes. I'm not sitting and watching that whole thing.

5:26I did. I watched the whole thing. Yeah. Well, please jump in. But I don't think that did him very many favors. I actually felt like I liked him less after watching it. I think that's a very fair assessment. I also think that the social media aspect of this entire family's life. I don't really know. I don't want to call it a situation because that feels like I'm minimizing it. But the entire social media angle of this has gotten so far out of control. I don't think Patrick murdered his children. I don't think that Patrick tried to murder his wife. I don't think that this is some big conspiracy cover up. I do think that there is a strangeness about him. Do I think he was the best husband and father? No, probably not. Few men are. Not everybody is the most supportive partner, especially during postpartum. He even said Perry, needle care. That's the wrong word, dude. Like you still don't know what you're talking about.

6:27As I was watching, I was like, Perry, that means before you have the children, we're talking about postpartum psychosis. Like that's the whole thing here. Your wife, your new wife, Rachel, is the getting pregnant lady. It's the postpartum part that's what affected your old wife, Lindsay. So he still isn't totally sure what happened, which says to me, he wasn't fully present in what happened with what led up to the problem with Lindsay and his former children. I hope that my hope for Rachel is that he's learned a lot and will bring this new perspective into his new life because what I understand is she's currently pregnant. And they are moving forward with having a family and another child. And maybe this is his opportunity to try again. Lindsay will not get that chance as she shouldn't, because she's proven that she can't cope with being a mother. So can we jump in really quick to that note? I want to show this clip.

7:27He talked about his son, Collins, final days. Patrick spent four days with him at his son's hospital side before it's horrible, but I still want to play at number two. I have all the details of Collins' condition. I just knew that they got a heartbeat back. So I remember that night. I really thought there was a chance that Colin would live. And I remember just thinking, just give me one. Just give me one kid. And I would raise him as best I could. And I would give him the best life I possibly could. And I'd tell him about his brother and sister. And I was holding out hope for that. And then when I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor. I saw the look on her face. And I knew that it wasn't going to be a good prognosis. Collins' heart kept beating for four days. I'm so grateful for those four days that I had with him. And I'm so grateful he hung on.

8:29Did you talk to him in those four days? Yeah. Can you tell me anything you said? I said I'm so sorry. And I got to hold him. I got to lay down next to him. And he died in my arms. Well, that's just one of the worst things I've ever seen. That's horrible. Look, there's no one good in this story. And I do feel bad for Patrick, because obviously he lost his children in this hideous way. I still have no compassion for Lindsey Clancy. And Ross Douth that should not have been the person interviewing. I'm sorry, but a woman should have been interviewing him about this and asking about maybe a woman who's given birth or has children. I don't know, but now not necessarily, but a woman should have been interviewing him. And Nora, do that one.

9:29Nora, Donald, I think probably could have done it a little bit more humanity and justice. Yeah. And I also just feel like this is another example of women being removed from conversations that are about us. And again, I don't mean me. I could ever commit this hideous, insane, horrific, demonic act that Lindsey Clancy did. But we are talking about women's issues. And I think part of the reason, because I've really tried to understand like other women's perspective on this, which I still don't really. But it's also like even in this situation, I'm like, but this conversation is not about men. Like why are there two penises talking about this right now? I know that like, you know, obviously it's his children that this happened to. But I just think it's such a missed opportunity. I also want to say last night, Ben and I were talking about this because some of the clips had percolated online. And both of us said to each other, if somehow, like again, I had been taken over by a demon force that like literally, I had just lost my mind. And I do not believe I'm in any way ever capable of anything like this. God forbid if like whatever we are living in a parallel universe, I want Ben going on TV and saying, fuck my wife forever.

10:31And I would go on TV and say, fuck my husband forever. May God have mercy on his soul because I will not. And I just don't understand where his rage isn't. Maybe he's scared of the internet mob because people like Lisa Rinner are saying that he killed his children. But like Ben and I both last night were like, if you killed our beloved children who I'm obsessed with and in my entire life revolves around, first of all, I would want to kill Ben myself. I'd be like through the trial I'm killing him. And second of all, like, I think the rage all the way around justifiable rage is missing. I think for me, that's like what's missing from this. And I know we're gonna like in, you know, I don't think that he cared that much. I think he cared. How is he? He was horrible. Now after the fact, I think at the time, because it's like, how could you not care that your three children were murdered? Okay, I'm overstating it, unzimplifying it. But I'm saying like, that's how disconnected

11:32and uninvolved he was. We even at the, okay, at the trial, we saw a footage of him being so uninvolved and disengaged like at the, there's video footage from the aquarium. Like, what his kids are there? One of them falls flat on his face. He does nothing to help. He kind of looks at it like it's a strangers kid, picks up the boots and walks off. Doesn't help the child up. When he's holding the baby in the carrier, the stroller by the other hand, and then has to hold the baby to pick up the other kid. I can't remember. I don't know which one it was. He is so like disconnected from them at this point, which, you know, it's overwhelming. And it's a lot. We both have young children. You have kids of the same exact age range. So this is kind of like a lot. But you know, Patrick was off running marathons training for marathons hours upon hours every day to be running these miles, not home after the long work day. So it's like, I don't want to say he didn't care

12:33and then he didn't let his family. I'm sure he did, but he wasn't the one doing the 24, 7 care like she was or maybe a mother's helper that she had every now and then was doing. So maybe the loss wasn't as significant as it would be for you or for Ben because you guys are active and engage with your children. And it just like I am in my husband are we're holding all the time. Sometimes people on camera don't know how to sometimes people get nervous and don't. And you're talking about the murder of your three children. So maybe he didn't want to give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt in this. But I will say this case is like just one of the war. As I said, as we have said so many times of war, Marina, this is just one of the worst things I've ever heard. Why is it like you think people thought it was going to be the Scott Peterson 60 minutes interview where he can sign all smiling and charming and I forgot about that being guilty of murder. And that was not this. I think that this came away as this is a guy

13:34who's genuinely reflecting on a terrible time in his life that he's going to try to change a lot of things about himself and move on. Final thing I went to Target on Friday. And you guys know this because I talked to you. I text you about it. As I was checking out of the grocery store at Target, a woman in the right next to me in the con aisle says, I just want to thank you for everything you're saying about Lindsey Clancy on your show. I feel so alone. And like I'm the only mom in my mom group that thinks that she should get the death penalty because I said the electric chair for Lindsey Clancy, which I still stand by the electric chair. I don't care. I don't care. She murdered her three kids with exercise bands. She sent her husband out on errands to do it. Do you know how long it takes to strangle someone? She strangled a little baby. My children are the exact same age of the children. Liberty is huge. Like she's almost sick. She is huge. Like, what? Like, what? But it's pretty tough. I think she's good. But this person thanked us for what we're saying. So I'm just saying there are women literally out there

14:36in the wild in the field that agree with us. We got to move on from this topic. I honestly, I hope, Miranda, I hope you can understand. I don't want to talk about this anymore if we don't have to. If something else happens, fine. I don't know why I'm talking about it either. I think there's a point where I'm like, I think pressing like, and it just, and it makes us both so angry and upset. But I swear I got it. It's depressing. There's their interview. I just don't know what the angle is for us to discuss other than this is horrible and distressing. And I can't fathom it. I had postpartum depression and anxiety with Cece and never for one second did I want to harm my head. And she's like my little best friend. I can't, I can't for one second imagine. So she must have been in the lecture chair, the worst possible place in her deepest dark corner. I just like to have her mind. Do they? We got like returning more just to Rosemary. I would have spanked. She's like, stop saying. You just give her to the island. She can, the entity can have her. OK, really quickly before our new guest comes on,

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17:42trains workers for AI proof careers. Thank you so much for coming on, Ravi. I appreciate it. Megan, it's my pleasure. My first campaign was actually working on the other side as your father. But in my household, he was always a hero. I come from a split family. My mom showed me the Hanoi documentary when I was a kid. And I have equal rights to Republicans and Democrats in my family. And we're always huge fans, even though we did political battle. I love you. Thank you. Well, thank you very much. That's such a lovely thing to say. I really appreciate that. Whenever I talk to former Obama campaign people, I know for the campaign, that was a totally different time. I can't believe how long ago it's been. I think people were so old. I know. They really feel like I'm kind of of my feelings about it. So much I want to get into with you just about this era of politics and as we're heading into midterms. But right before I came on to the show today,

18:43I don't know if you ever get this. But there's so many people who wax poetic about what Democrats are doing wrong, what coalition of the party, why they're losing which demographic, and particularly men seems to be obsession. I want to show you this clip that I literally saw. Literally as I was coming in this morning, I texted to my producer, a Peter Hanby number 18, talking about how do Democrats have a gay and girl problem? Number 18. Those are gay's issue where all the staffers and all the people who make up the campaign teams, capital-hole staffs, like they don't have straight white dudes who watch podcasts and care about this shit. These are voters. By the way, we all know that Trump won young men and they swung from Biden all that stuff. I'm curious though if you think that is an oversimplification, if you believe that the culture and staffing of Democratic campaigns is important if you want to win back those kinds of voters. And by the way, one reason I had this on my brain was,

19:43and we've seen stupid tweets from, I don't need to know what Chris Murphy or Mark Kelly thinks about the new Taylor Swift album when it comes out. There's those tweets, or I saw Brandon Johnson the other day, doing like a TikTok dance. Did you see that? I did see that. I just think you need a guy on staff who plays fantasy football, enjoys the occasional nicotine product, likes to get drunk on the couch and fire up on Terazri Runs or World War II content on the TV to look at that tweet and say, this looks corny and crins as fuck. Don't do that. I'm not saying that straight dudes need to run campaigns. It's just that maybe I'm just being an old millennial. It used to be that those people were in the room. And I think so many times with campaigns, the thing people see is a tweet or a TikTok or an Instagram.

20:45And they draw a lot of inferences from those things. There's so much to break down. And Peter Hamby is a pretty well respected NBC reporter. Look, you come from the campaign world of Democrat politics. I don't even know if I agree with this assessment. I think it's super lazy to just be like, well, we need more white straight men. That's the problem with Democrats. I don't, I just don't know if I believe that. You know, I ran, I started this group called Arena, which is the largest still is, I think training operation for operatives in the campaign. So I like trained thousands of these people to go work on campaigns. And the thing about my perspective, and hopefully this is a growing perspective within the Democratic Party, is that we should just reject identity politics period. I think there was this period of time after Kamala, where we picked somebody based on identity grounds. Biden was explicit about that. And instead of coming out of that campaign and that law saying, let's just reject identity politics

21:47and pick the best person, we then are like, oh, we can't have a gay person. I hear that all the time about Pete, or we can't have a woman, right? I hear Scott Galloway say that now. And you know, he and Cara Swisher just agree now on air that it has to be a tall white man. And I'm like, well, if that's the best candidate, yes. But like, let's actually open it up and say, let's be a meritocracy. Like, is that a crazy idea? And for me, I'm not gonna pick somebody, if I'm running, I'm not gonna be running a campaign. But if I am, I'm like, are you smart? Do you believe in our mission? Do you have the right ideas? And are you gonna work really hard? That's what Democrats should be asking, not what your identity is. How did you originally get into this space? I know you started with Obama, but what inspired you to come to the political landscape? And has any of your enthusiasm or idealism shifted? I mean, I'm sure it has just normally with age, but in more recent modern politics, especially after two seasons of losses for Democrats. Yeah, my background is, my mom and dad, my mom's a Democrat, my dad is a Republican.

22:48I was raised by my mom, but my early years, my parents used to argue all the time. And my dad actually has run for office multiple times as a mega Republican and my brother. That's hilarious, by the way. That is how, what area of the country? In Manhattan, so he ran against Alex Perez, most recently. That is so funny. That is so funny, man. In many ways. My gosh. And my older brother is a federal corrections officer. You know, I was joking about going to federal prison. He's actually Arkelli's current prison guard. He had Bernie Mada, for example. We need to have you on for a whole other. He's a Republican. Crazy. So he's a Republican. My brother's a Republican. I grew up in Staten Island, which is probably the most politically eclectic place in America. And I love the rest of the burrows. Yeah. I became a Democrat, but I'm very critical of my party all the time. And I still am a like a card-carrying member of the Democratic Party, but my enthusiasm has been tested because I just generally have problems with the direction of the party. I used to run charter schools throughout the South, and I feel like my biggest battles there

23:50were against people in my party. And my biggest allies were people like Tate Reeves in Mississippi who I collaborated with or built Haslam in Tennessee. So it's needless to say, I have been tested. And I actually think if you go back to that original campaign in 2008, what your father was saying and what Obama was saying, they had big differences. But the one thing they both kind of agreed on was that the name of the game was persuading people from the other side and respecting them. And I think that has been missing. And that has tested my idealism, for sure, over the past few years. You know, one of the things, I don't like to talk about my dad on that show that often because people get tired of it. And I don't want to talk about him all the time. But since he brought it up, one, the constant in my life is that when I leave my house, if I'm leaving for a full day, at some point during the day, someone will come up to me in life and say, that moment with your dad, when he grabbed the mic and said, oh, Bob was a Muslim, that, if he only knew that that would be the thing, for the rest of everywhere I go, my daughters don't totally understand it.

24:51And I'm like, I will explain it to you, when you're older, it's way too complicated, you're only sex, like we have to like whatever. But the thing that I try and think about is like, it's not as much as beautiful as that is. And I don't take it for granted. It is not rewarded now in politics. That kind of like, you know, what he did, you know, and what President Obama, you know, attended my dad's funeral. Like there's, there are these things and politics are not rewarded by the electorate anymore. So when people come to me and are like, we need more of that in politics, the cynical side of me is like, you can't get elected if you're doing that anymore. So how do we solve that problem, which is a very big question going into midterms? Well, there's this memo that should be more famous that my boss wrote back before Obama was running for president. So this was Axe Rods' famous memo. Parts of it have been reported, parts of it haven't. Where he basically made this argument where in every time you have a two-term president who's outgoing, the electorate is looking for the exact opposite in many ways, even if that person is unpopular, but especially, even if they're popular,

25:53but especially if they're unpopular. So if that's true, right? And basically a good example of this is, you know, Reagan came after the weakness of Carter, you know, Clinton was young, where his HW Bush and Reagan were old, right, and there are problems with all of this, like some of them were one term, true term, whatever. But I tend to think that the electorate is tired of two things. One, having really old presidents, we've now had that three terms in a row. And two is having very divisive presidents, right, which we've had for some time now. And I think that people are going to be looking for a unifying message. Now, whether either party serves up a unifier, I think is very much up for grabs, right? I see reasons to be a little bit concerned about the dynamics of each primary right now. And now that will select for more polarizing figures. But it's possible we emerge with at least one who is going to try to run on a unifying message. And that gives me some hope. And obviously it's still to be determined.

26:54We're going to find out a lot in the next two years. Robbie, do you mind me asking how old you are? I am 43. OK, so I'm almost 42, and 42 next month. So we're like basically the same age. One of the things you just brought up, which I, Miranda and I talk about at length all the time, is just I am so exhausted with the gerontocracy, oxygenarian class. I think it's really harming this sounds a little extreme. But I really think it's harming the mental and emotional health of the country in a lot of ways. I want to show you this clip of Mitch McConnell, because there's new, I know. And Robbie, I mean, Miranda, we had people calling in here. Robbie, we're asking if he was alive for a long time. Oh, by the way, if he was, by the way. Raise your digital hand if you want to. We have a few hands up actually. So we will get to you guys in a bit. Yeah, just one second. I want to show you this clip of Mitch McConnell, who came back after 98 days away. He had a hospitalization fall in June, as we all now know. There's this clip that we didn't talk about last week of him

27:57being wheelchaired onto the Senate floor, and then not seeming to understand what bill he was voting for. Number nine. The question is on reporting the agriculture act of 2026, as amended, as an original bill, the clerk will call the roll. Senator Clobuchar. No. Senator Bennett. No. Senator Smith. No. Senator Durban. Senator Booker. No. Senator Luhan. Senator Warnock. Anybody come back. Senator Welch. Senator Federman. No. Senator Schiff. No by proxy. Senator Slotkin. No by proxy. Senator McConnell. No.

28:58Senator McConnell. Senator Hovin. Okay, so for people that couldn't see, he was saying no with the Democrats and the staff or had to tell him to say yes. Robbie, I don't know what to do with this. And I think this is the rot in so much of politics and why people are growing so angry. And again, I don't think Trump's anywhere near that level. But he, you know, after what happened with Biden, Trump doesn't look super healthy to me in a lot of it. He's falling asleep in the oval office in many instances. Trump is puzzling, you know, the crazy thing about Trump is that he definitely is slipping, but he also has more energy in some ways than I do as a 43 year old. It's like this weird paradox and it's not like his energy is well placed. Like the guy tweets more than the craziest uncles that any of us have, right? So it's not like he's focused on the right stuff all the time. But he does have a weird, like I put him in a weird, separate category. But you know, Biden's a good comparison point, right? I got so much help because very, very early, I thought that we were in a weekend at Bernie's presidency and I was criticizing a lot of my friends who

30:00were working at the administration just saying, Hey, like, the lot of these press conferences, this guy doesn't sound right. Like, and if anybody, even questions how bad that would have been just look at him at the 9-11 memorial where, you know, I wish for the, you know, best health for Biden. But he looked like he was like a zombie, right? So the question is, and McConnell looks the same to me. And then you have Grassley who's 93, Sanders who's 85, who I put in the Trump category, right? By the way, some of these older people do defy the arts. Right. And then you have Markey who just got reelected at 80. He'll be in the sun at least to 86. And if you're partisan, that should concern you because Democrats lost the Scott Brown. Remember that race where the whole healthcare bill was in the mix because of Democrats inability to hold that seat. So they're, they're courting disaster there. I just think we should have a standard for this to say, like, look, like, just like you need to take a driver's license test again when you're at a certain age, right? And you can't see or whatever or at least I hope that's true. I don't even know if that's true. Then yes, like let's, let's figure out some objective way to say whether

31:02these people could serve because fine sign, you know, to mention another Democrat, same problem, you know, I live in California and watching Mitch McConnell is giving me just massive day job though of when Diane fine sign came back after her long period of a mysterious illness where everyone was like, well, where is she? Is she alive? Is she with us? What's going on? Because they did the exact same thing. Shrouded in mystery. No one was giving updates. And then she comes back to the floor and someone didn't someone lift her arm for a vote wasn't that I believe it. I'm a memory that someone lived in her arm to do a vote and then shortly I died like, and then she passed away. Yes. So I don't want that for Mitch McConnell and I don't want that to be our memory of him. Yes. No matter how many times I disagreed with him on practically everything. And he's been a senator since I was born in 85 and that's when he became a senator. Like I don't want that to be the way that he goes out because it's it's terrible and it's disgraceful. And I don't think that him and his prime is how he probably saw his retirement.

32:04So for everyone who's leaning over him, confusing him, whether he knew what what he wanted to vote or not, they need to also he's a complete mockery all over the internet and social media. He signed and nobody knows what's real or AI. I'm getting DeAmns to say that a real video is this AI. I don't cut. I don't know. I'm not a tech expert. I'm the same like what do I know? So I think that this this lesson we took away from fine sign that once the public starts wondering whether or not you're even effectively cognitive. Can't buckle your own seatbelt. You cannot vote in Robbie. I want to get to who you like for 28 and going into midterms. But really quickly we have a question from Kate. Kate. Thank you for joining us today. What question you have for any of us are Robbie. Hello. Hi, sorry. So I guess speaking to Mitch McConnell, I think we all feel that way. But how do we? How do we incorporate that?

33:05Like it's one thing to say this is really uncomfortable. It's another thing to say we're going to set an age limit. Probably because I'm in my late 50s. So I'm kind of starting to think like, oh, that's not old. So I guess it's great. I totally feel the same way you feel. I'm just wondering how we put it in practice. Go ahead, Robbie. I'll give you my very imperfect solution to this, which is just term limits, which it presents other problems, right? Because then you don't have the seniority effects and all that kind of stuff. But I do think that weighing against the sort of downsides of it, right? Which is the expertise that's built up in these places. I think that if we put term limits, and I think we should have term limits for a lot of things, including the Supreme Court, including Congress, right? And we do have them in a lot of jobs like governorship. So we do recognize that this is an issue. And then I also think it allows people to have a little bit more political courage. Because we have this phenomenon where people suddenly discover

34:08their, you know, for a lack of a better word, their, well, I won't use a gender term, their courage. As they're on their way out, they know they're leaving, right? So maybe we'll get people who are looking at, you know, if you take term limits, plus bands ongoing, right into lobbying afterwards, maybe people will be more courageous. That's my very imperfect solution. I think term limits too. I think if you can't be on the board of a Fortune 500 company, I remember Al Gore had to step down from Apple. I think it's at 70, maybe 65, it may be earlier. But I think if like you're not, like if a corporation is like some people are too old to be on the board because our money's involved, why shouldn't it be any different than the US government? And I also think it's one of those things that like our forefathers couldn't possibly imagine that people would be living like, you know, easily well into their late 80s and 90s, maybe even hundreds. I mean, I just, I think it's all very sad and troubling and I don't know, this is bad for everybody. Thank you so much, Kate. I hope to see you soon. Robbie, I want to show you this post. Are you aware that Republicans have a ton of money and Democrats have none?

35:12RNC has a $226 million in cash. The DNC has, how is this possible? $750,000, number eight, could you show the graphic actually? I don't understand how, how this is a real problem for Democrats. They don't seem to have the same kind of grassroots infrastructure. How is it possible the Republicans have so much money and Democrats like 700,000 dollars is not that much money for the DNC? Oh, I'm sorry. Negative. They're in the right house. Yeah, they're sorry. They're in debt. They have no money. They owe money. They're ignoring their phone calls. They have no money. Sorry. You're phone call. They're, yeah, they're big crap. They don't explain this to me and understand. I'm living this a little bit because I'm co-leading the independent expenditure for Hamilton and Kansas. So I'm working on the independence. I don't actually do that very often anymore, but I just thought it was very interesting race. Can you explain to our people who aren't paying attention what, what that is? So essentially, nobody thought the Democrats had a chance in Kansas heading into this year, but we have this very interesting candidate who's a

36:14pastor of a mega church running, running against. Very good. Yes, sorry. And he's running against the guy who has some issues. Let me just say I'm not here to flack for that, but I just say I sensed an opening. I don't do this very often, but we are on the independent side, meaning there's the direct side. And this actually gets to the differences of money in these races. Right now, for people who are not campaigned, finance experts, I imagine most people are listening. You have the candidate in their committee, right, they control it, they raise it, right. So when you give money to a candidate with their name on it, that's where it goes. That's the money you prefer because they get favorable rates to buy advertising and they get to direct the money as they see it. There's the independent side, which all these political action committees, the mega packs, all these other things. I happen to be involved in one for the Democrat in Kansas. Republicans are killing us on the independent side, demolishing us and including on the committee side, all the different RNC, RSCC, all that kind of stuff. Democrats are actually winning on the direct side. Not enough to make up for the differences on the independent side. But like if you look at, for instance,

37:15a 10-pass versus Tallahureee Co. Tallahureee goes way more money on the direct side. Right. So it is a little bit balanced out by that difference between the direct side and the independent. But when you put it all together and even discount the independent side, Republicans will have way more money. Why? I think for a couple of reasons. One is Republicans control basically all levers of government. So it's very friendly to certain business interests. Obviously Trump has been very forceful in leveraging his power to try to get people to do what he wants to do. So it's very favorable business-wise to donate to Republicans right now. And Democrats are kind of weak in general. And people don't sense that they're going to be punished for going against Democrats, which is a whole other discussion. But it's also, I think, a bit of a reflection of how unpopular the quote unquote establishment on the Democratic Party side is with Democrats. Now, some centrists don't like those organizations because they feel like they've gotten too woke and they're unionized or whatever blah, blah, blah. Or some of the really liberal people don't like them

38:15because they feel like the quote unquote establishment goes against their preferred super liberal candidates like Platner or Abdul. So it's still hot mess across the board. Now, whether it'll be material in the election, I don't think it's enough to overcome the entire dynamics of this race, the climate. But I think it could win some close ones for Republicans. While close is that Kansas race, it's very interesting. I agree with you. I didn't give the, how did you like, did you just see like an opening that you were like, oh, this guy has the juice? Well, it's a little bit like I have this weird relationship with the Democratic Party. Like I criticize a lot of people all the time. I'm generally like an eclectic Democrat, right? So I spend a lot of time writing, you know, I wrote a Wall Street Journal piece about how the establishment had propped up Piker and I, not Piker, Platner. I've written multiple pieces about how I think Hassan Piker is a disaster and that Democrats are making a mistake. I criticize teachers. So there are certain segments of the Democratic Party that hate me. But at the same time, I built up a lot of campaign,

39:16apparatuses that have the party still depends on, like Arena, right? This group that trains all the candidates. So every now and then somebody comes to me and is like, here's this thing we, you know, we want you to run it. And I almost always say no. This time I said yes, because first of all, nobody's paying attention. So it's not, it's like kind of like an opportunity to be free to test certain theories, right? That I have about the electorate. And two is, I actually am familiar with Kansas a lot, because I host a podcast with Jason Kander, who's in Missouri, across the border, and I have a lot of listeners to my podcast, who come from Kansas. So I've spent a lot of time talking to them over the years. And so I was like, you know what? This candidate seems really good. His opponent seems really bad. The polling is tight and you have a Kansas Democratic governor. And a Democrat hasn't won a Senate seat in Kansas in over 100 years. So for able to do it, that sure would be really cool as a political exercise. So all of that came together for me. And I don't have to deal with the wackos, right?

40:16Like I don't have to deal with DSA and all that kind of stuff. Like, yeah, it's like none of those people are relevant at all in Kansas. So I don't want to worry about that. If he wins, I mean, that's a major feather in the cap for Democrats. If you can pull that off. And again, I've only seen clips of him. I fully say I only know this from like a cursory level. And like I haven't like done a deep dive in this. But he handles it into the name. He is very strong. Yeah. He said he like he can speak. See, these are the characters that I also like where I'm like, oh, you're speaking languages I can understand too. Look, I'm not going to say I hope he wins, but that Republican, I will also not say is not is no good. It's like the caloreco pen packet. Yeah, he might have been floored or not even in his own state. I know. The thing that came out about him that does really resonating. He has some sex scandals. Is that correct? Is that the biggest scandal against him is that there was he basically, you know, he's a physician. He was suing his own patients to collect money. And he was charging like some insane interest rate.

41:16And the story is really bad. And you know, obviously we have noticed that story. So it's been a fun little exercise for us. And you know, I just I still love politics. This is your point about like whether I've become more cynical. I certainly have gotten less idealistic, but I've been providing to feel differently about it. And every now and then I see these moments like around AI or something where I feel like people start talking to each other across the political divide. I've always felt this way about education. Data centers. Yeah, data centers. I felt this way on education where some of my closest friends are people who are Republicans. And we agree on these issues and work together on them. Even if we disagree sometimes on which candidate should win in a given place. So I still hold out hope that we could break through this. I agree. And I I'm always an idealist. I'm always like I'm a sick and then and then like some cool candidate comes. I'm like, I love you. Let's like, I love that hard day over. We really like to Haley Stevens too. Like, I got one of my candidates at arena.

42:18You're clearly we loved her. We were talking about her yesterday. I mean, yeah. She's charmingly weird. No offense, Haley. I love you. I love you. I was like, yeah, she's like, I was like, but this is what I want. I want like a wonky like, I'm just going to like put my head to the ground and like get bills done. I know she's a Democrat, but I just like a way to into it. Like with energy just super. Yeah. Yeah. And she had a really sorry to interrupt you. I know you know this. She's your candidate. But like her answer to like, she's like, I've been bullied my whole life. Like I was I was never the cool kid. Like that's not what this is about. Like the cool kids don't like me. And I thought it was so charming. I'm really sad she didn't become the nominee. I'm excited to see what she does next, though. Like I can't she's not going to go home and like, you know, do nothing. She's going to do something. So like they were harassing her even this week. You know, some of these activists, you know, running around trying to intimidate her. I'm like, what do you want? She endorsed the dual, you know, it's like at some point, I always wonder what these what world these people are living in. It's like, you know, they don't understand.

43:19And this is why I continue to think Michigan is the most vulnerable seat for Democrats that they should keep is because that was such a nasty race. It lasted so long and a lot of people within a dual's corner don't seem to understand they're in a general election. He seems to have belatedly understood that. But it's a little late. And that's just a very divided state, you know, do you think he's going to lose? I still think he should on balance win narrowly, but he'll underperformed Jocelyn Benson pretty significantly. And I think there'll be a race after that to define what happened. Right. So people like me will be like, hey, isn't this notable that Roy Cooper won by 10 and Abdul won by two, you know, or whatever it will be. And those people will be like, he won. And that'll be the simplicity of the race. You know, he could lose, right? I'm past making like objective predictions on a lot of these races because anybody who says they understand what's happening because of the quality of the polling these days is probably lying.

44:20But it's more of a trend thing. I think he's in, I think he's in his at risk of losing. And he's got to run a very tight race between now and the general. Do you think it's what's on Piker is hurting him? That's what it's going to ask. Oh, without a doubt. You know, it's crazy as I got in a fight with a lot of these media companies, liberal media companies. And I wrote extensively about this and got a lot of flak even for my own audience. Because I wrote these long pieces being like, Hassan Piker is not being misunderstood. He keeps repeating these things. Now, just like I think Nick Fuentes is a disaster and a very fringe character that, if I were a Republican, I would be spending a lot of time just abusing myself of, I think Hassan Piker is dangerous. And yes, if you want to have him on, have him on, but challenge him. But then I saw all these media companies who were glossing him repeatedly. And then holding him up, like I think Ezra Klein called them like a Joe Rogan of the right. And I said at the time, I'm like, this just shows how out of touch you are that you would compare Hassan Piker, who sounds like a disaffected Obleman grad student

45:21with the guy with the biggest podcast in the world who talks about MMA and all these other things most of the time, right? Who talks like whether you like them or not, like my friends in Staten Island, I grew up with. Democrats have no idea what they're dealing with here. And the fact that Abdul was doing campaign events with Piker and then was, you know, did you know this picture thing with a pool party the day or a couple of days before the election. And then now is upset that people keep bringing him up to me, tell us you everything you should know about how out of touch some of these people are about what they say and do and who they court. Well, I think he's like tweets and if I'm with only fans and then calling him out for his hypocrisy and saying I could do whatever I want basically. Yeah. Do you want to show the clip Miranda? And also I'm sorry, it was very hot in the studios. I made Miranda put or I'm sorry, I made Ashley turn the fan on another fan keeps hitting my notes and I'm so sorry if that's distracting for everyone. Robby, it's your first time on normally one more professional. I apologize. Do you want to show the clip of his on Piker just for like a refresher? Cause I do want to get into a little bit of crazy stuff over the weekend

46:21that's been circulating online. We can play it. Yeah. For people who don't interview with the ex. Yeah. I believe with Alex Thompson. Yeah. I forgot the number Ashley. Sorry. Thank you. I think America is the top dog in terrorism. Yes. Do you think America then is worse than Okaida? Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. I think that that is not only terror that we are waging on regular civilians in nations and the periphery, but it's also having consequences on ourselves. It's having dramatic consequences on the home front. One clear example of this is what we did in men up. Right. There's no distinction between blowing up a school triple tapping it with Tomahawk missiles. If you're killing 140 schoolgirls, that is an act of terror. This doesn't mean that all Americans are terrorists, but the reality of the matter is we have to create an environment of accountability to ensure things like that never happen again. Okay. So Robby, we had our friend

47:25Noiki Kuhnston a bit ago and she's a friend and a friend of the show and we like her. But she was sort of downplaying Hassan Piker saying like this is someone like it's not just this, it's not this is an interview that happened last week. Any notable center center right center left American is just not let alone Republicans. They're not going to accept this. It's crazy. Obviously, I don't know what Democrats do and we're going to get to the tuckers of it all. So everybody just chill out before we blow up our text. I don't know what because everyone's like you don't talk about Republicans. It's like we're about to. What do you what are Democrats do with this because he's got to get invited to the DNC going into 28. He's going to be beloved by the DSA. How do you reconcile these two factions where it seems like people like you are like he's an unacceptable figure within the coalition. Yeah. And if I were running the DNC and this probably is previewing a big topic right now, if he wants to show up as press, right, just like if Tucker Carlson wanted to show up as press, go for it. Right. Anybody who wants to cover it. I think like in general, if people are

48:29media and they're covering something that's one thing. But if he wants to show up as a member in good standing of the party and he's not a delegate, I'm not giving him a pass. Right. That's how I would run that. And that's how we'll do it. Republican side too. Right. If if Tucker Carlson wants to run and become a delegate for the Republican party or Nick Fuentes does it whatever, then that's the process. Right. I wouldn't love it. But it's how it would shake out. Now what he's saying, you know, you could see one world trade center from my window. I grew up in Staten Island. We were the hardest hit if not one of the hardest hits parts of New York City. All my neighbors are cops and firemen. You know, I think he keeps saying stuff like this and people keep telling me that he's being taken out of context. And he's explaining his worldview. And he also keeps repeating, you know, positive things about Mao and China. And it just gets me like, he doesn't even understand terrorism, by the way, which is like he's talking about acts of terror, right. When you have a country of hundreds of millions of people that has existed for centuries and has been in many wars, right. The number of

49:33deaths, including civilian deaths, is not the marker of whether somebody is engaging in terrorism. It is what is the goal of that violence, right. So when the United States steps in and fire bombs dressing, for example, in, you know, their attempt or drops a nuclear weapon in Japan, in trying to win a war that included a war against the Nazis who were committing a holocaust and trying to invade their neighbors, well, that's not terrorism because the goal isn't to terrorize civilians or to kill civilians. It's try to end the killing of civilians, right. Versus if you're in the Hamas in October 7th and you're sending people over a wall to kill a bunch of peaceful concert goers and rape people on video, your goal is to terrorize civilians. That is your, that is the actual goal, right. Not to try to kill combatants. That's what makes terrorism, not the body count. But obviously you don't need me to explain this to you, but this is his worldview. He's saying it, right. And so the slippery thing that these Hassan people do is they say, you're taking him out of context. And then he's doubling down and repeating himself and explaining

50:38himself. And I'm like, just own your positions and let's have the debate. I completely agree with that. And also the taking out of context, there's not, I mean, there's again, there's so many videos, so many tweets like when people show you who they are, believe them. Look, go try to deny him and discount him like Noiki or even Abdul Asahi had who, you know, Noiki is a friend and she's just, she's a civilian. I'll say it is trying to run and hold office. And he's constantly doubting him as, oh, he's just a streamer in California. Don't worry about him. He's nobody. He influences millions of millions of people, including on our YouTube stream, people are telling him, oh, don't worry about him. You know, isn't he good? He's bringing people into young people interested in politics. It's like, that's the wrong. It's, it's like saying Nick Fuentes is good because he's getting young people interested in politics. It's the wrong perspective. Like, no, I don't want those people interested in politics yet because they're not ready to be interested. The young on both sides of the aisle are, they need to be guided and coached and mentored. This is what Obama did to my generation.

51:45You're able to challenge them. This gets to Megan what your father often did is like he wasn't, he wasn't being led. He was leading. Obama was leading. He was telling us as young people how to comport ourselves and he was, he was exciting us, but he wasn't taking his direction from us. And I think on both sides of the aisle, there's this sense that we should just quote, unquote, listen to young people. And I'm like, no, like they, they're part of the electorate like everybody else. And yes, we need more younger people in general in our politics, especially people who are sub 80 years old. But that doesn't mean that they hold all the wisdom. Like if you look at on the extreme right and on the extreme left, the younger people hold more dangerous views by and large on average than the average American. And certainly I would say most people listen to this, right? They're more likely to condone violence. They're more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. They're more likely to be racist. They're more likely to be anti-Semitic. And that doesn't mean they're hopeless. Young people. Yeah, there's a more likely to be anti-Semitic and racist movement. Oh my gosh, go on to what racist. Yeah, there's a great, no, Smith piece about this on the right.

52:47Right now, I do think there's a left wing form of racism that is a little bit different in contours, but it's there and includes the anti-Semitism. But Noah Smith wrote a great piece about the, what's his name, Bo-Nix, the guy in the university Texas, Bo-French. I was about to ask you about this. Yeah, yeah, that too. Bo-Nix is the quarterback for the brakos. But yeah, so he wrote a great piece where he basically went through the reaction, like, you know, the Cornens and stuff who denounced Bo-French. And then he went through, here's what's actually happening as some of these younger more nationalist sort of corners of the right, the sort of Niquenta style, right, you know. Can we get into this, Ravi, really quick? We talked about this last week because we just happened to have my good friend on who was an AI expert who also happens to be Indian of nationality American, longtime Republican operative. He did, like, again, it was just like confluence of things happening, and we had to talk about it because this moment just happened. But you're referencing this Bo-French tweet. He's someone running for Railroad Commissioner, which by the way, what's so hilarious about this is now he's losing, like, ever since he put this tweet out, he's like plummeted in the balls

53:52of these there are normal people in Texas. He put this picture up and talking and tweeted about how, you know, he can't believe what he's seeing at this Texas game, excuse me, University of Texas, football game. He was saying that the problem is now obviously worse than anyone imagine, saying Americans were being displaced by foreigners. Texas, University of Texas is 80 percent gets their students from Texas as we said before, like their admissions rate they prefer to have students from Texans basically going to their school. I have seen some of the most blatantly racist tweets, some from people that I know that I have worked with. That's rough. I have worked with some of them who work for Turning Point, Turning Point, USA, Charlie Kirk's organization. Saying things that I, Robbie, I have been like, my husband, I were talking about over the weekend and I'm like, I feel like I'm in hell. Like it's like crazy. And then I also saw this tweet from Dinesh, D'Souza, talking about his son Brandon Gil Congressman

54:55Brandon, Brandon Gil is married to his daughter. And he put this tweet up where he was talking about how his daughter has a white mother. And I showed it to my husband. I was like, what are we doing? What are we doing? This is, excuse my French fucking that shit insane. Where is this? I know I sound naive and whatever, but this is actually new for me. This car is new. Getting up and saying this is the rot and I'm going to vote Democrat now even though he's been working for the way I had many things. And then he gets on stage and does the Trump impression. Look at that by wasn't going to do it for you. But, you know, I never thought the leopard would eat my face. We go back to South Carolina. Exactly. Exactly. But I thought I was like, sir, please, please as a person who traffic did this shit forever. Yeah, people look it up. Call row of South Carolina primary disaster. But okay, so with McCain, my sister, yes, feel free to, anyway, continue.

55:59Well, here's the question. Here's an asshole. I'm sorry. I'll never. There's no Carl Roe redoing of his. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I love. But like, we are not going to accept Carl Roe image, whitewashing or whatever the hell he's doing. I do not. Sorry, Robbie. You push a little trigger for me. Sorry. No, I'm with you. Now, here's the thing. What what's the immigration argument now coming from the right? I know what I want to be from the left, which is legal orderly for the jobs we need. That's what I want in the United States, right? What's their argument? Well, for the people like both French, like the photo he's he's showing are people, if they go to UT and some of these people have actually come out and said this, they're here legally. Some of them are just American citizens. Some of them are here on visas, right? So they're here legally, uh, by and large. So it doesn't matter if you come here legally or illegally, whether you're high skill or low skill, you assimilate or you're not. Doesn't matter if you're peaceful. Indian Americans are actually incarcerated. Only 35% of the rate of non-Hispanic whites or even whether you're Republican, Trump won Asians in Texas, right? My

57:01dad, as I mentioned, is a mega Republican. Uh, it doesn't matter what you do. There are certain segments of society that are like, no. Uh, and to me, this is an argument, right? Like he is making an argument and I'm saying, well, okay. Like what? To me, it's not just about Indian people. Like my dad came here to become a physician. We have a physician shortage in this country. Right? It's just about common sense. You look around your communities and you're like, do the Indian people you know? Are they upstanding citizens in your community? Chances are they are. They're probably your doctors, your engineers, right? The Bangladesh shoes are probably domestic care workers. Right? Like by and large, this is a community that has done right by this country that are not huge numbers, right? And they're assimilating. They're going to a Texas football game. Isn't a simulation what you want? We're in how American is hell, man. Like, right? He's talking about it. We're in how we had to doing the U.T. learning. Yeah. Of course, I'm going to get like a it's the longhorn. Yeah. Whatever. The longhorn. No, that that's I think that of all the like racist shit that's that's percolating all over the internet about this. All I, I mean, I'm tend to be

58:03more damaged on immigration as it is, but I was like, this is all America wants. We just want people to come here and enjoy it and celebrate and be Americans. And I'm sorry for me, there's nothing more American than wearing cowboy hats and from Arizona. And I just thought they look so joyful. And there's something just so awful and cruel to like take this joy away from these students. And to the thing I don't know, well, they're clearly not. These Republicans aren't understanding is like, that's a whole swath of voters. You just lost like Indian people in Texas or young people. Why hell would you consider voting Republican if that person's just saying, you know, you have no right to be here and blah, blah, blah. But I I saw it with I've been seeing with the Vecra Mousslamis campaign as well in Ohio, but they're just they're really does seem to be a very specific targeting of Indian Americans, which I find I just I mean, I don't understand any racism at all, but like that in particular, this to me is the is a cancer that's growing very fast on the right. Yeah, and my general feeling about this is I want to win this on the merits,

59:08right? And yeah, I think my party obviously screwed up the immigration question. No doubt we could spend hours on it. But now we live in the world that it exists right now, right? Where we have a White House who's put a video game together about how to deport immigrants and put it out into the world. And I'm saying it's like, even if you do believe in restricting immigration, have some class about it, have some dignity about it and be humane about it. And I would say on the merits, let's have an argument about who we let into this country or not, because I think a lot of people look around and they say, we have inflation, we have and and then we also have inflation that's that's coming from low skilled all the way to high skilled, right? Do we have enough people working on farms? Do we have enough people working in service industry all the way up to do we have enough nurses and doctors, right? And how can we come together and say, okay, we don't want people pouring across the border and making fake asylum claims, right? We don't want criminals in this country, right? But we do want people to do those jobs because in our history of our country,

1:00:11that has been very important to our economic growth, to our vibrancy, you know, I'm right down the street from literally on one side, Chinatown on the other side. These were places that I'm in the Lower East Side, which is where all the Jewish immigrants came in. These were people who went on to create tons of important businesses in this country, start families and all that. And let's have a debate on the merits as to whether it's good or bad. And what I find distressing about his worldview is that even if you do it all right and you are here legally, you are assimilating, you are getting a degree, you know, it's never going to be good enough for certain people. Yeah, I think that's the most depressing thing about it as well. And I thought, you know, since we're like circling back to Karl Roestop, I really thought that we were like sort of beyond this kind of bullshit. I really, I really did. Like, especially in the Republican Party, we have a vice president whom more than likely will be the next nominee who has an Indian American wife, half Indian children. Like, is this really the road everybody wants to go down? Like, what do you think it's going to happen? I don't know. I just, it's really bothered me and stuff I'm seeing

1:01:18online. And again, these people are not my friends, but they're people I know social. Some, just one person I know socially that I was like, just like shocked. And I'm like, I just can't believe that things people feel comfortable tweeting. Like, we need to bring shame back into society much more. Can you tell me about your book, The Invisible List? One passion a year every year. It comes out on September 22nd. So it comes out tomorrow. Can you explain to me what inspired your book? And I hate writing books. I'll never do it again. It's really hard. What made you decide to take this on? Because it really is a labor of love. Yes. You know, I used to be a school principal and super intended of a charter school network down south. And I did that through my mid 20s to my early 30s. And I loved the work, but I was so burnt out by the time I was done with it. And I decided after I left that work that I was going to treat myself as my only student and each year, like a school year. So I would learn one big new thing every year. And then I would have some big tests at the end of the year to do it. So I learned powerlifting. And then I entered a powerlifting competition. I wrote a screenplay and then signed for my screenplay. And so the screenplay,

1:02:20I learned surfing. And then I surfed a barrel. I did. Yes. I surfboard above your head. That's a surfboard over there. And so I did surfing. I did tennis. I did novel writing. I did biochemistry. I did Italian cooking this year. I went to Tuscan Aileron cooking. And the book is all about how to reclaim hobbies and passions to say, you know what, if you're a parent, if you're if you've got a really busy job, or if you're retired, or you've been laid off, no matter who you are, we all have this invisible list of things that we wish we'd done. And it kind of eats away at us as we get older. And my book is all about how I went through my list, but more importantly, how other people can go through their list. So it's kind of organized in all the passions that I've done. And then I kind of explained to people how each one of those years can serve as inspiration to them. And so it comes out like you said tomorrow, wherever people get booked, so audio book, ebook, whatever, hardcover. You're like the most well-rounded human on earth. I think that's something that everyone can relate to. It's always like, oh, you know, we'll take

1:03:20that vacation next year when life settles down, or we'll go visit grandma in six months, or something like that. So even small like invisible list, what's one thing that's left on your invisible list that you feel comfortable with? Yeah. That's that you want to do. Yeah, well, and you know, I'll tell you what I'm doing next year. I am this is so I have different archetypes. So I don't want to scare people away. Some years are what I call anywhere anytime years, like writing a screenplay or playing tennis where you could basically do it wherever you are with very limited resources. Next year is what I call it like a skill radical or a big one, which is where I have a little bit more time, I think there's some things in my life that could change this dramatically. But my current plan is to go down to Alabama to the Alabama Fire College and actually learn to be a fireman and then become a wildfire firefighter. Wildfires? Wow. I live in Los Angeles, so the more than a year please come on. I want to volunteer when those wildfires are happening. I want to volunteer and basically this is part of my job, like my new goal and if I do write another book,

1:04:21this would be the subject of it is to become useful in our society. Like I am a knowledge worker podcaster writer, right? And so I'm like, and as you mentioned in the beginning, I am working on a company that would be useful to people. But by and large, I just want to do something tactile that, no matter what the bots are doing, I can show up and help people. And so that's what goes down. Yeah, amazing. Our friend, Jizelle Federman, who's John Federman's wife is a firefighter, which I always think is so cool. So we can put you guys in touch. Yeah, that's what she does in her off time, which is so funny. She knew on our show and she was like, I was like, what were you doing last week? And she was like, washing blood off the sidewalk from the thing and we were like, oh my god. Oh, okay. But that's really incredible. I love that. My one of my new years resolutions, that's the only thing I do was to try and do one of Ina Gardens recipes each week. And I like sort of kept to it. And this week, I'm going to do to make basil tomato soup in case, because getting into the, you know, autumn season, you got to feel the vibes. Obviously, you're probably

1:05:22that. That, you know, one thing I was thinking of doing at the end of this year that I heard, I think it was a season. Sorry, he said he does this is write a cookbook every year and send it to your closest friends. Like you're writing yourself. Yeah, you think so. We're studying each other. Step back and forth every week of what we're making. So I love that. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be your original recipe. You could be like, here's this thing I made and you could tell a little story at the beginning of it and be like, I was in, you know, I was a Sunday. We invited everybody over or whatever. It was football in the first week of football or whatever. I know this is too ambitious for some people, but that I thought that was really cool. Now, whether I'm able to do it or not this year, who knows. But under your point, Miranda, about it never being too late, I, I, I profile a woman in my book named Linda Elston, who, and I profile a bunch of people in the book who are not like me, right? Who have, you know, a lot more going on in their life or bigger challenges. And this woman was battling cancer when I met her. I went down to Tennessee and I did like a fitness camp. And she was there training for CrossFit while battling breast cancer. Wow.

1:06:23And I, she wound up becoming like one of the top Crossfitters in the world for her age group. And basically, it was like, I don't care if I got cancer or whatever. I'm not letting it slow me down. And then she got uterine cancer. And I interviewed her as she had uterine cancer. And she told me in that interview, I cannot wait to get back out and continue to do this and maybe take on some other bigger challenges. And she passed away last week. And I, that was a reminder to me that you cannot wait, right? Like, and this is to everybody listening, whether you read my book or not, the most important message is give yourself permission today. I know you've got important things going on in your life. You could be a parent. You could have really important professional obligations. But you'll be better to your kids, your spouse, your job. If you just give yourself a little bit of time to do things that, you know, could seem a little selfish sometimes because, you know, showing up and being a fulfilled person, it actually benefits people around you. Yeah. And I, I'm like such a yellow person anyway. Like, I'm always like, you never know what I've

1:07:26had. So I've been a three funerals this year, not to give you like too much information. And I'm just like, I'm so happy to be here every day. Like, like, so I'm with you. I'm with you on that. Robbie, Robbie, you're so kind to take time to come on today. We really appreciate it. Please come back before after midterms. I think it's going to be the red wedding for Republicans. I think until we really bad. And another race to watch is going to be exciting. I'm going to keep my hands. Kansas now. Yeah. Please. I have a ton of family there. Yeah. Last quick, just firing round really quick before you go. Does Taloriko win? I do think he wins. Yes. I think he wins too. There's a lot of money going against him though. A lot of money. Ken Paxton is in Europe with his mistress. He's not even trying. Honestly, it's a certain point. It should be insulting to people. And what I would watch in some of these races, including Kansas, I think it's also true of Texas is there's a libertarian candidate on the ballot. So I just think some people who are turned off by their can't chosen candidate on the right, but don't want to vote Democratic.

1:08:30You're going to see some of those people go to libertarians. And that could be the difference maker. Because I mean, Democrats don't need to get to 50% in some of these states. Yeah. Yeah. Excuse me. Susan Collins. We love Susan Collins. Do you think she can she can win or do you think it's card? I think next to Michigan, that's the race that I think is most tougher. Democrats now, the new Democratic nominee is way less of a problem than Platner to put it lightly. So this could be a year where generic D overwhelms what I think is a long relationship that Susan Collins has in that race. But you know, I think of her like Murkowski with like these are people who are survivors. I do think this is going to be a very tough climate for her to overcome. So I do think if I were guessing, I still think she loses narrowly, but it wouldn't shock me if she held on and she were the one Democrat. I mean, one Republican to hold out in a tough seat. There's this meme we were passing around and it's like her on like a throne of skulls and it's like

1:09:31all the time when I got to say I'll retire. She's like, you last forever. But she's not a Mitch McConnell to us. So we are not entertaining. I like that. Robbie, thank you so much. Come back anytime. Anything you want to plug out to then your book social media. No, just go out there and get the invisible list wherever you get that wherever you get books. Yeah. And people can find me on Sub-Sac. I'm really Robby Gupta at Sub-Sac.com. I write about all this kind of stuff. But by and large, I'm just really grateful to be here. Thank you for having me on. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on. Come back literally anytime. Thank you, Robbie. Have a great day. Thank you, Robbie. We got to put him on our right list. I liked it. Before we say go, we're going to goodbye. I have a little discount code for you, right? Ashley, what's my first one? Closie Earth? Oh, excuse me. Oh, good. The YouTube people are saying they're going to go on polymarket and bet whether or not we do Closie Earth today. Oh my goodness. We'll get into that. First, we have Quince. Do you like my shirt? I love it. Oh, is that new? I don't much. Yes, it's my new Quince shirt. I genuinely love all my

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