Nolan Xavier Wells, Springfield Three, Elaine Park with Jonathan Mark

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4:14months to have Jonathan mark back on the podcast hi Jonathan thank you so much for coming on thank you for having me again I really appreciate it we appreciate you Jonathan even though I was secretly cursing you out could you because you kept canceling you know I you know I know what yeah I know Jonathan has some things going on what you guys will find out I guess soon enough that we're not going to talk about that I just want everyone to know who might be tuning into a Jonathan mark episode for the first time Jonathan has periodically been coming on the podcast for I think like the last three years and that's because true crime and paranormal and the spirit world is something I personally am interested in so although it doesn't have anything to do with pop culture or celebrity news it is something that Demois has talked about literally since the

5:18beginning of our shows we had a psychic on our Spotify live show and then as I just mentioned Jonathan has been coming on the podcast for years so Jonathan just reintroduce yourself to people who might not have listened to a past episode you are on yeah sure so I'm Jonathan Mark I'm a psychic medium I'm I guess best known for at this point helping with unsolved cases and missing persons cases and I you know collaborate a lot with law enforcement from now all over the world I've been working with law enforcement agencies outside of the US now and you know my biggest thing is you know to help people help unsolved cases and for those you don't know me that's basically what I do now how long have you been doing this for now like reading the public I would say now close to maybe a decade but publicly working with law enforcement I would say the last like few years maybe like three to four years and you're relatively young

6:19relatively we'd have you got have you got married since the last time we talked I think so yeah yep oh congratulations thank you thank you okay so for everyone who again this is their first time tuning in I don't give Jonathan a list of who we are going to be speaking about and who he is going to be trying to channel during each episode I literally just spring it on him in the moment and he just you know automatically just starts talking about what he's seeing and feeling there's no editing in this episode where you know he would have time to Google whoever I'm asking him about so I just want everyone to know that that's how it works the people and the cases we are going to be talking about this episode have been requested by the audience so yeah so I had

7:22to look them up myself there's one that I know a lot about and then the other ones I had to look up okay so I'm just how do you want to do it I think I just say the name yeah so and and you know for those that obviously haven't listened before it's it's a little bit harder for me to get like you know crazy stuff when we're just talking off of it like when I do these cases I typically work with the family and law enforcement so I'm able to get that stuff so this is just me trying my best to pick up what is being thrown at me I guess it's the best way I can explain it yeah I think that in the past I've said in name and you've given details about the case and again I don't give you the names ahead of time so you wouldn't know these details unless you know the cases personally which you've said I think you've said in the past like you'll let us know if you know these cases absolutely yeah and then from there you start to channel if it was foul play if it was an accident right you've also in

8:25the past mentioned again this is all you know not confirmed he's not solving cases but you've mentioned people that you felt were involved or you know clues of people that you've felt were involved so that's how we've usually done it yeah I always tried just to lead like families and law enforcement to like I guess a new lead or a different avenue that they haven't really like looked into yet or they haven't focused enough attention on yet and there have been cases that we've discussed in the past where I'm assuming you've got in strong feelings about because you've said publicly on the podcast please if you're you know a family member or closely related to this case contact me yeah yeah you know that's I still stand by that so if people listen to the old episodes and they hear that please like I still stand by that I've had one person reach out from one of the cases we've spoken about and I've and I've helped with their case so I'm hoping that this also if people are affected by these cases

9:28or even other ones like please reach out I'm trying my best to help families with this stuff like that's my goal with all this okay so let's begin I'm gonna give you the first name sure Nolan Xavier Wells let me see what I can do the thing that I I keep seeing honestly and I don't know if this at wait is this a more recent case because his name sounds so familiar yes okay yeah I do know about this case I'm not gonna like I I believe I do because the thing that I keep seeing like with with the name is that it's all over like social media or all over like it seems well known and I remember hearing about this the thing that I keep seeing also too just so for people to like understand is they

10:30keep pulling friends close to me when they pull friends close to me typically that indicates if a friend or someone either was accused or knows more about it or anything like that they keep pouring water is it is it's the one that drowned if I'm not mistaken his body was found okay yeah yeah based down in water close to the shore so this is interesting do people think it's 5050 whether it's foul play or done something separate because that's what I keep seeing there's a line drawn which is typically a 5050 split yeah I would say yes I mean I don't I I don't know if there's been since it is a relatively new case I don't know if if all of the evidence has been released yet but I would say based on what's out there it would be a 5050 split yeah because this

11:33looks very 50 like it does look 5050 to me and it does look like he was I mean the poor and water so it has to do with either drowning or near water like you said and what was shown I mean I hope I'm wrong with this obviously when someone puts their hands on someone at times that typically would mean to me to some extent not like I guess you can call foul play but I don't see it fully like foul play I see it more so he seems young like it just seems to me like there's some element of foul play with this and he they keep showing me friends and they keep showing to me that like they not abandon him but it's very suspect of like where he was how it happened just because simply of the timing of everything because they keep tapping their watch in front of me and also showing to me too that they just seem some type of element of foul play is what I'll say so that means that it was an accidental

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14:47water or whatever and they left him there or whatever it is to some extent that could be foul play I just think the element of foul play is like not like like leaving him somewhere like near water or doing something and just letting the odds be in his favor I guess you know like so to me that's foul play are you seeing any parts of his body because you've you've seen this kind of stuff in the past like anybody is he pointing to any parts of his body like that was like touched yes or injured the only thing that I see is like you know when someone holds you down or pushes you and you kind of have like a finger marks but it's similar to like a finger bruise where they push you and you see the finger marks of bruising that's what he keeps showing to me or showing to me it's like finger marks of bruising does it is he pointing to his upper torso I guess you can call it it sounds like you're and I don't want to put words in your mouth

15:47describing like he was like like they held him under water or something yeah I don't know I don't I don't I don't want to put that out there because I don't know but it does seem like people put their hands on him and I don't know to what capacity for sure but it's he's putting finger bruises which like if someone grabs and squeezes someone or they push someone like you typically bruise so like that's what I see from it it's not like someone hugging you or tapping you up or whatever it's like someone has intent to squeeze you or something back to the tapping of the watch and the timeline of everything is there any more information about that that he's showing you well he's putting fireworks I'm assuming this happened around I'm assuming this summer like Fourth of July maybe a little bit before a little bit after but I'm assuming this summer time of it and again I could be wrong it's just he's just putting fireworks in front of me it was July 4th okay

16:52they think that he's showing to me I know this is a stupid comparison so anyone please don't judge me I'm on Long Island and obviously that's like a it's not separated but it can be if you go towards the Hampton's and go to these different islands that's what he's showing to me it's like the timing the location everything is like not secluded but it is kind of like secluded to some extent and that's what he keeps showing to me like I like it just appears to me that you can't it's not a hundred percent easy to get to like you have to get a boat or drive like that's what he keeps showing to me of why the location is very important in the timing of there's a thing along I'm called hemlock cove where people will go and boat up and party so I'm assuming Fourth of July maybe people went over there but what he's showing to me or what is being shown to me because I it's just a very secluded area like it's not like an area and you have to know that area like you have to be a local to know that area not

17:55like a secret surf spot or something but like just you need to know that area and that's what he keeps showing to me is location and the time of everything of like the I guess Fourth of July weekend where it happened and who was there like as far as like the crowd so this happened on Horn Island which is a remote underdeveloped barrier Island located about eight miles off the coast of Mississippi okay so like what I'm I'm assuming locals would know this area though correct like I'm not I guess so I'm not a little too Mississippi but I'm assuming the way it's described yeah that yes they would because the way that it's being just described to me is like comparing it to like a place that like I would go to but only like you know people would really know about like Hemlockhove or something like that by by me like it wouldn't be like someone flew in to go there essentially right right and that's what he's showing to me it's just but why would that be why would that be important because that's a known fact in the

18:56case I think it's important because if it's a remote place that's that or like a localized like remote place then you can do things to someone and it wouldn't be the easiest to find them in like a response time so like if someone got shot and you're on you know mainland then it's easy to get to you're on this horn point or Horn Island that you it's not easy to get to and people can know certain spots it's and it could be various different things like that's that's why I keep seeing the location is also a huge part of it aside from it being like I guess a known fact it's just a big part of what I see are you seeing if he ever left the island I know he was I know I said he was found face down yes did he leave the island it shows me that he they keep putting arrows back and forth so yeah it would appear to me like he was either trying to leave or left yeah okay that's

20:01interesting I mean the reason I didn't want to lead you I didn't want to tell you this so they there's a part of his 911 call that I listen to two 911 calls so I can't say if this is something that has been manipulated by social media but there's a part of his 911 call in a TikTok video I just watched and you could hear them in the background of the 911 call saying on the boat while they're on the boat leaving yeah it seems because he's putting arrows back and forth which means like he wasn't that like he left he left that place so I don't know how far he got but he definitely show me arrows away from the island okay so in the 911 call that I listened to you could hear in the background and you know we could put it in Hannah we could like put it in for people to listen to because it's it's hard to hear but in the background they're saying let me just play it I don't know if you'll be able to hear it this is why I was asking you see it's hard to like not lead you because then people will say like no I get it you know

21:04like 100% on you but yeah okay hold on here we go on the way back home from the island the boat the Nolan's friends were on ran into some technical issues so Nolan's friends had to call for help in the background of this phone call you can hear people asking Nolan to get up and wondering if he's dead hey we're at the west tip of foreign and our village stalked working we're going we're sinking can you all please come we have a membership you killed him is he really dead is he dead that's what they're

22:04saying in the background oh my god Nolan wake up I know you can't hear it this this particular recording the tiktok creator like said in the background and you can if you listen you listen closely sounds like he's still on the boat with them and this is when they were leaving that's why I asked you that yeah yeah I mean like I didn't know like exactly where they were going and I know you weren't leading me or anything it's just when they throw arrows and front me means they're leaving location like they're not at the location of where like you just asked me that's right like that's I didn't again like I don't know where they were going per se I just know they were in like motion or they left it's like one of the two is he showing you where he actually like his life ended was it on the island or on the boat no he's I don't see that I don't want to lie to people and stuff no no no no no yeah okay are you getting any names the only thing that I see that I guess and I wouldn't say

23:08names of like people who did it right right right I would say people maybe who were there the I keep seeing a like a strong J initial and they keep underlining it like four times to me like a strong J name like a J name with so I don't know it's it's not like a Jason and it's not like a J me or something it's a J name that I keep seeing but no like those like the things that I would see would be people who were there not who like necessarily did it but that's what was being shown when I was asking about like maybe who was there I'm just trying to find out of some like like the way that I operate with this it's like finding out someone who didn't really speak you know what I mean like that should speak up so there's two identified people who knows obviously who they are but that's identified yeah yeah that's kind of like what I try to do is like I guess identify and then in some capacity but yeah that's that could be it I mean I have no idea okay okay the next case let's talk about the Springfield 3

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27:25their names all their names starts starts with the letter s okay they're pulling hair so are they all females yes that that's like yes yes this this I mean this isn't going to give anything away if this case is so bizarre is it yes I know you don't know this one because I don't even think you were born no I wasn't no you know you weren't you could you could feel it I can tell how old it is it's this is like pre pre existing me this is not like a recent one like I can tell from the last one you did that was like extremely recent yes this seems like these people have been passed for a long long time like a long time you want me to give you the year yeah sure 1992 shit that's what I was born so oh I guess I'm old but no you're not old I mean that you definitely would have heard of this the thing that they keep showing to me which I don't know this will make sense so I'm

28:27trying my best but it's like when someone you know like because they keep in the end of school year in front of me like June time June right it's like you're okay yeah they're just putting June joy why are you and you're getting like like it's so weird like you got this one right away yeah because it's older so it's easier for me to do the more recent more harder okay I didn't know that yeah like you're like yes graduation like yeah it's it's really because like when people recently pass it becomes harder to like connect to them but when they're passed for I'm not gonna say my age but for that long yeah it's it's way easier because they've been there for a long long time so it's easier for me to connect with those people so older the better more recent a little bit harder for me okay I didn't know that okay yes yeah it's just the truth like see the thing that's like really weird to me is that I've worked on cases and they're showing me case I just worked on more where people

29:28leave like their wallet their watch yes behind right like you leave like essential things yes yes yes so like it's it's very bizarre to me that they would leave I guess we would we would have like essential items I guess I mean I could I mean you said it but I can get into it like first of all their cars oh okay I just thought like but not even that like I'm gonna get even more specific than that a pack of cigarettes and the lady was a chainsmoker oh wow one of the ladies like and all their belong like I'm not gonna say too much but yes but you're spot on with that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say okay but because I don't want to give away too much of what happened prior to the experience yeah please yeah please don't okay go ahead so I also see too when they keep like folding clothes is just a sign that I use so it's there sometimes people like police will look for foul play and stuff and I don't see and I don't see foul play with

30:29if they're folding clothes and stuff like part of it like literally go ahead go I'm sorry I'm freaking out right now it's okay yeah I just don't see foul play and I don't know to what extent but like like I said when they're folding clothes that that means things are kept normal like there was no like you know like people breaking in or like you know fighting and all that crap I mean let me just tell you since you're to set it like this one of them's folded clothes was specifically just called out in a TikTok video I just watch like there's no way that's weird good like there's no way you that's why I'm like getting chose because like I like I said at the beginning of this episode I hadn't heard of any of these cases so I did a little digging and this one like you said is older so there's not that much on it on TikTok but yes a video I just watched that really went into detail that was something that was called out by the police that one of these women's clothing that they wore from the

31:31night before was neatly folded because the thing that I see and again like I just see some like I'm kind of like asking in my head obviously like this see this the the suspect or whoever you want to call from what I can see seems someone who is trained right like or someone who's done this before this isn't their first rodeos what I see like them doing a kidnapping or killing is not their first rodeo like at all and they keep flashing in our name in front of me so I don't know there were three suspects let's get back to the missing women first and then I can go into the suspects I might have to look it up who are you getting because you said that there was multiple is there any indication of who is coming through right now it seems like an older woman because it seems like it seems like there's young to old right like like

32:31teen not teenager that's 13 like a young adult to someone who's older and I'm can I'm talking to the older person okay so that would be the mom she was 47 okay I guess not old but you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah yeah and then the other two were were 19 and 18 okay so yeah so they were like young adults essentially but or teenagers but like I'm really trying to lean towards I guess what you're saying the mother just because of it's seeing it from their vantage point is obviously different than a younger vantage point that's why I always try to lean towards that if there's an older person to and they're just saying to me the person from my perspective of things if they're basically putting up a blueprint of something in my head that means the person who did it has done this maybe before or has some type of law enforcement training or something like that right like like someone who knows what they're doing I'm I'm not blaming law enforcement in any way no I know you're not you're not calling out any so yeah but it just seems that the person has done this before I will say

33:37like this does not seem like they were the first victims unfortunately are they showing you how it happened I kind of I want to say it's like when someone is in the summer and they're hanging out whether they're doing whatever it seems coming it's like if someone was in a public place and they trace someone back to a private place and they're able to trace people or follow them that's kind of what I see and it also seems like it kind of happened not in broad daylight but kind of like it seems like it was kind of happening in real time like if they were I'm using as an example on like a main street or in a populated area in the area that they're in and then someone paces and follows them that's kind of what I see is when there's eyes on someone always so they were followed that's what I see yeah like followed and traced so like kind of like if the guys like this is who I want and it's three women from what you said like that's that's

34:38what I'm assuming kind of what happened but it definitely seems like he was following and it seems like a male it's not a female that did this by the way is there anything that you're getting from the crime scene that they're calling out I think really the close like that's the thing that they're saying is that there was there was no like it was as normal as like a random Tuesday right like as far as like houses the clothes are folded everything is like there's there's there was no broken windows no kicked in door like I don't really see anything like that something there was something broken one thing yeah I just don't see it was like if someone was robbing you right like where like the door hinges would be like kicked in or like the screen door'd be kicked in or something that's what I'm talking about the only thing I really see that's like important about the case or the I guess you know spot that it happened was the close that's the only thing that keeps coming to me so there was something else

35:38that was odd on the scene but they don't think it's connected and I just essentially are not picking it up I'm I'm assuming it's not connected and it's just a coincidence yeah I mean I have to be honest I'm only getting the clothes and I yeah like I don't want to pretend okay let me tell you what it is then yeah there were there were reportedly strange slash obscene phone calls that were made to the house and an unusual answering machine message that was erased by accident because their friends came like I think one of the girls parents came looking for them or a friend of the family because they were supposed to meet people the next day at a water park and they never showed up so people went to their house looking for them okay yeah no I didn't see that I just see the clothes folding and stuff like oh wait I'm sorry who did you say the name of the person I only saw I just saw like an R initial yes okay that's

36:43correct the major name associated with the case is Robert Craig Cox a convicted kidnapper and Robert who lived in Springfield oh wow okay okay yeah I just saw an R initial and I saw that it's someone who's well like they kept putting like guns and badges which means like someone was trained by some type of like first responder type of thing like whatever that it is okay that's that's all that I saw now their bodies were never recovered yeah like I need to talk to like a family member detective to get like that type of info because that's like the specific like nuances of like like leading up to that stuff so I don't again don't want to lie to people so I just want to like I wouldn't be able to get that here are you getting any indication of how they were killed I'm not no I just see like it was like someone who like I said like knew what they were doing and it was like a like in and out fast like that like very in and out fast I'm

37:47just wondering how he got them out of the house into a vehicle or whatever to take them wherever they were killed well I will say this like I always say on your shows and stuff if a family member from I don't I forgot what this case is but if the family member from this case is listening like please reach out I'm more than willing to help whenever you need and that goes for the other are you getting more than you're saying no no no no no no no okay all right okay all right here's another one this one was big so just be honest if you've heard about it sure but it's so fascinating okay Amy Lynn Bradley so I will say this I spoke to Brad the brother so you did yes so I yeah so I can't talk about it now you can't talk about anything about it I don't know if I'm officially

38:47being like maybe brought into that because I've been in contact with Brad so did Brad reach out to you or did someone put you guys together he reached out to me I was working on a case that I guess was a similar case to Amy Lynn Bradley's and the person was like he wants to meet like to speak with you and then we were connected through that like he asked for my phone number and that's when it kind of happened yeah is this something that you've been working on this year or no I haven't started on it yet because he's been doing a lot of things in Washington DC but we're planning hopefully to potentially get moving with it soon so that that's why I don't want a lot of people and be like I never heard of this I'm like speaking to the brother so but have you spoken to him like did you have a session with him yet like an official session I did not have an official session with him yet but we kind of spoke about some things but it wasn't like an official sit-down session no okay did you watch

39:49the documentary I hope people don't judge me on this I do not watch true crime stuff because I feel like I'm talking about it every single day no I believe me I got it yeah I'm like I can't like when I want to watch like mindless TV right but I do know it was like absolutely huge like because he was telling me a little bit about it and same with the other case I'll send you the other case privately so you know and I and I'll explain to you privately but yes I definitely know about the case remember we talked about the Karen read yeah yeah I do you sent me some information offline yes yes I do you remember I sound nervous I'm not don't worry you're not gonna set don't worry oh no no no I'm laughing yeah okay you sent me some information offline yeah that I just don't understand how without a reasonable doubt his family does not think that he was

40:53murdered inside of that house yeah yeah I send you information from like law enforcement they sent me yes you did and I did it I did not share it but no I know I know and that's fine I won't say who but no no no yeah you sent me some information and seeing this information which obviously everyone in that courtroom had had was privy to yes they they had access to the right so seeing this information with and I never talked I mean I don't talk about this stuff unless I'm talking to you on the podcast but I told like you know my close friends and families I was discussing the case with there's no doubt how was there even a doubt of how this man was murdered I know I know I know I so crazy it is I I feel like that case was crazy like there's like so many crazy things that are just like going on with the cases but yeah I agree with you the things I sent you definitely I agree with you and also the Elaine Goldberg case it

41:55came up again this year yeah that's why I think people were also remembering and saying get him back on because the Elaine Goldberg case I believe was reopened this year it was yeah and I posted about it and tagged the old episode yeah because you had said on the episode now if you guys don't know about this case uh she it's crazy she died inside her locked apartment yeah it's crazy and they tried to they tried to say she killed herself yeah by self-inflicting stab wounds to her own head it was like head neck and back it was like yeah yeah and Jonathan came on the podcast this was a years prior to this year where it was reopened and said basically what he was picking up from her I think you would tap into her specifically was that she allegedly was murdered which was obvious to anyone who you know saw her body and the wound and how they were inflicted

42:59you obviously in that episode gave more information yeah yeah but I was happy to see that that that that case was being reopened so yeah I posted about the case and tagged you and posted the old episode yeah I wrote I I remember like I remember that case and then I have contacts in that area too and I reached out to them about it and essentially what they told me a while ago was the case is not over and that's all I got so like when I heard that the case is not over that means that they were working on it to find some type of something so I was like okay cool and then you know it was reopened I'm like they found something they're because they're not reopening a case most times if they don't have something in their back pocket from what I've learned working with them they're not doing that and they're not putting the family through something they're just not going to do that so they clearly have something I don't know what it is I haven't spoken to them but that's what people should know like they're not just reopening a case just for like shit's sake like

44:00they're doing it because there's a very strong evidence or something that they have to like turn the case or turn the you know decision and whatever it was right right okay okay the next name I have for you again very very very random Elaine Park okay so the thing that they keep showing to me honestly and I don't know this is you know we talk about leaving things behind like essential items and they keep highlighting what you said to me about a car um again it's like so weird they keep saying car and it's like the thing that I use like essential belongings like just very essential now they keep flossing my hand it's so weird

45:04this must have happened not recently but relatively I guess maybe in the last like 15 years maybe or something because if they're coming through strong I just want people to know like that's why so don't like okay no no no I can tell you in 2017 so not okay not recent but not yeah not like 30 yeah not in the 90s the putting water in front of me too was was anything found by like a lake an ocean or anything by that like do you know if it like the car or personal belongings was found anywhere near like water like and again does something in water but it's just like a like kind of near this yes yes it was found along the Pacific coast highway in Malibu the thing that I keep seeing and again this is stupid but there can I see a lot of like when they compare certain things to me it's like if someone goes for a run a jog like before after work whatever that it is right like that's what I see and then all of a sudden they keep snapping their fingers

46:08and gone so whether it's a walk a jog a sprint just anything but it seems like it happened because their pointing sun rise so it has to be morning I would assume and that's that's correct the putting lights in like in cameras I don't know if she worked and like you know how there's some cases like in small towns there's like news anchors or people that are media friendly but maybe I don't know like I don't know if they're like ultra famous but like they're just known maybe in an area or something because they're putting lights they're they're they're putting lights and like in cameras not saying that she was like worldwide famous but yes yes that's correct and the whether she was an actress who who had like very minor screen roles okay and her dad was actually the longtime business partner of Queen Latifa oh holy crap okay um

47:08because the thing that I see it's just very similar to like a you're running jogging walking but the thing that they keep they keep tapping my like laptop saying like do you know like CCTV and stuff I'm sure people know like that stuff they keep flashing it when they do that that means typical like gap times right like like if there's a time where like it's working and then all of a sudden and weirdly it's not working when she's like somewhere near it and then it picks up like an hour or two later like that's what I see if there's gap times whether it's CCTV footage and if it's in 2017 that it definitely has some type of that and that's what I keep seeing is just like the disappearance of just like going for like a jog or run a walk early in the morning gap time near water and essential items left behind is like all I'm really getting from it are you getting any set that's all correct there was dispute over the camera's time stamp there is some surveillance of her vehicle but there's dispute over the time stamp um hold on I could

48:17are you getting anything about whether it was foul play or are no I'm not unfortunately I can't really tell with this one honestly I don't want to like lie um the only thing that I can see which is weird so like you bring up Amy Bradley and they're comparing this to me do you know how like Amy Bradley some of this stuff um they're identifying by tattoos and like markings that's what they keep showing to me they keep tapping and putting needle ink in front of me about tattoos and stuff so like that's what I keep seeing if like like if god for you know god willing she's walking around and stuff which I don't know but they would be able like a certain type of way to identify her just similar like an Amy Bradley but that's all that I'm kind of getting unfortunately I'm sorry that's okay are you getting anything about any of the people in her lives or any in her life or any one that she was around

49:18during the time or around the time of her disappearance the only thing else I'll say I don't even know this will make sense they keep flashing and I'm not saying it's it's a brother but they're flashing my brother's name so a D name okay that was her boyfriend and I'm not saying he did anything I'm just saying no I know I know I know I didn't ask you like a suspect I said her boyfriend's name was divine and she was with him you know how I said to you before like my like I don't know if you heard me mumble but my aunt is coming through and stuff yeah I heard you say the word aunt who Susan because that's my aunt's name Susan oh her mom is named Susan okay because yeah because my aunt's name is Susan that's why I was like they're flashing my aunt I'm like this is weird but then I just moved on but but yeah that's that's unfortunately all I'm seeing and stuff well what about Susan I don't really know they just that was the first thing that flash so

50:24I'm assuming some type of importance to it but that's I I really don't know okay because on like true crime forms I'm just reading right now and I had to look up the mom's name their opinions are mixed regarding Elaine's family dynamics and whether those details are connected to her disappearance oh wow okay yeah so the mom that's why I said what about the mom because I just I did see something in in researching this briefly that people think the mom is sus oh okay yeah I just like like that was the first thing that came up to me was like flashing my aunt in front of me that's why I was like I'm confused by this but I just moved on but okay that makes sense if that was the first thing in the importance of something then I just didn't want to lead you on no no that's why I asked you like is you see anyone else no no I get it I get it um I do have to run out I'm so sorry I have a oh no that's okay you have to go okay yes I'm so sorry I I have a reading that's why

51:28oh oh okay okay well thank you so much for coming on thank you so much for having me and I can't wait to come back on soon okay to share some questions yes thank you thanks bye bye okay um I'm so sorry I didn't know that Jonathan was gonna have to have a hard out I thought we would have the full hour we have about 10 minutes left I had another case I was gonna ask him about that you guys wanted to know about Jennifer Keese Keese um Keese she was living in Orlando and working for Westgate Resorts she had just returned from a trip to St. Croix with her boyfriend and on January 23rd 2006 she worked normally spoke with family and then talked with Rob at approximately 10 p.m. then had a disagreement during that final conversation the next morning Jennifer failed to make her usual call and never arrived at work her condo appeared to suggest she had gotten up and

52:30prepared for work uh account to describe a wet towel shower including but her her car her purse her keys and her phone was gone um her car was found one mile away at another apartment complex I mean all of these people just abandon their cars it's not even this even this episode there's been so many cases that I've discussed with him where people just abandon their cars or they're you know they get pulled away from their cars so unfortunately we didn't have enough time to ask him that I was also going to ask him just his thoughts on the Lindsey Clancy situation just because it's such a big topic right now I don't think there's much to say it's it's been determined that her children sadly died at her hands so I just wanted his thoughts on it and then Nancy got three

53:36I was going to ask him about Nancy got three but we ran out of time so sorry about that guys um thanks so much for listening hope you enjoyed this episode see you next time