OverDrive - April 30, 2026 - Hour 2 - Nazem Kadri/Brian Windhorst

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Listen Nas would know in Denver, right? Like I'm sure the avalanche they're not waiting for lines

I can't imagine they are in Denver. I don't know what the hotspot is in Denver

I'm not sure Nasem does any more either. He's not a guy. By the way, Nas is my partner in last year's Lincoln cup

That's right and you guys came back and stole it didn't you an extra extra innings man? It was dynamite

Yeah, I was phenomenal you guys to you both you put on a clinic last year here

It's from the Colorado avalanche and you're a partner

Nasem Kadri how you doing Nasem?

Hey, good guys. How are you? We're doing pretty well

You planning on watching this game tonight mini Dallas. What's your plan this evening?

Yeah, no, absolutely. I'll be I'll be you know doing a little preschool myself and

It's been a great series so far. So it's you know, it's been some exciting hockey in the playoffs this year

Nas when you were watching the like yeah, I know you said preschool, but what other than watching the game like a regular dude drinking a beer would what would you be watching like would you

Watch defenseman's tendencies or if you saw something or are you just watching the game to see what the hell's going on?

Oh, yeah, I mean, I think you try to have some takeaways and and obviously you know play yourself in some situations out there where

You know break down what plays you could make and what plays you shouldn't make, but I mean for me personally. I like to watch the PKs and

You know see what we can utilize on the power play and yeah, and obviously that's a big

portion of the series is special teams. So

So those are always my favorite to watch is just like you know entries in zone type type scenarios that I feel like

You know, you'd get some good pointers from

So Nasem with you guys having to sweep and some time off as Jared Bedner given you guys

Some rest or is he running many many camps that kind of keep you sharp waiting for your next opponent?

I think there's a balance, you know for sure. I think you gotta gotta stay ready

But you know first couple days. I think we we had completely off and which was nice to just kind of detach a little bit and

You know and in the playoffs you can get pretty consumed with

You know with the on ice portion and hockey in general. So it was just nice to have a couple days to online and spend with the family

But

You know last couple days we've been ramped that back up and

You know, there's some uncertainty obviously what when we play next, but

We'll definitely be ready to go with Nasem cadre and you know, it seems like it's from our standpoint

It's been a seamless transition for you back into the avalanche organization

Take us through that though like once you the the anxiety leading up to the trade deadline

The uncertainty of where you were possibly gonna land and when you get the call it's Colorado

A. How excited were you and B. You know, how did you prepare to kind of walk back into a room that you were very familiar with?

Um, yeah, I mean certainly anxious moment setting anxious is probably an understatement. I mean when you hear

when you hear multiple teams that are kind of

In the mix and you're all your heads kind of bouncing all over the place somewhere you could end up but uh

You know, I'm thrilled that

Colorado made a made a late push and

Um was able to acquire me obviously a probably you know the top destination I had and saw the familiarity and the in the history we've had so

um

Yeah, man, it was it was a world one for for 24 hours there and and it was uh

You know, I'm just kind of still honestly still trying to figure out how how I ended up back here

well

sure glad I am and and yeah, I mean walking in the dressing room

Easy, so uh, you know, obviously a lot of guys know me. I know them

um

You know coaching staff pretty much the same

management the same so it was uh

You know, it was relatively simple for me. It was it was nice to be back

As just take us through like when that transaction goes down for the people listening and watching

Like what has the what are the real life things that happen like you get on a bird with a bunch of suits in your family stays back

And they got to put the house up for sale or is that just get everyone get to Colorado and then deal with all that stuff after like just take us inside of the details of what actually goes on

Oh, yeah, there's there's tons. I mean, I think I'd be I'd be on the phone, you know for for a couple hours

If I went through everything, but uh long story short. I mean you get the call

You know for me it was a little bit bizarre because I I got in the call. I think uh

You know in the afternoon on the trade deadline day flew out then flew out the next morning

arrived that next night and then I actually thought we had a

Um an evening game against Minnesota was the first game I played in um, but then I looked up the schedule and it was a new game

So no morning skate no practice

fresh off the bird at like eight nine p.m. Uh, just with you know one

Luggage piece at the rush to the right. I actually have to drag the equipment guys in the

To get me all suited and booted with my gear

Uh, night before so it was you know, you're kind of thrown right into it

But sometimes it's better that way you don't overthink it. You just go out and play

Well, the amazing thing is you reference, you know, same coaching staff, which is so rare in the NHL

Where you know, like I think Marty St. Louis is like third or fourth in the league in tenure

I think he's top five and it feels like Marty got there like two weeks ago

Um, it's just you've you've

played for so many, you know, a variety of coaches. Obviously you went through some coaches in Toronto

Um in Calgary

But bedner just being there and being stable

It's like him and John Cooper and I guess brinda more probably in Carolina that just represent this stability and consistency

How much of a benefit is that

To yourself to the players

Having a guy and Jared Bender who's been there that long and obviously is very comfortable in in running that bench

Yeah, that's he's great. I mean he's uh, you know

Certainly earned the right to

To be there as long as he has and you know, I think he does a great job getting the boys prepared and

You know as a I mean new-wish player. I guess coming to the team

Um, you know, you already know what to expect you already know what the coaching staff at expectations are what they what they like what they don't like

So you know, it was easy for me to you know get a read on the room on the team and just

Um, you know, sitting seamlessly

So with you being we'll call it the veteran guy now at 35 years old. You've seen you know, you've been there

Done it uh, you know for every different facets

What could you tell us about the difference between maybe when you came into the league to where it is now with the younger players and you were a young guy

That was up and coming and had a you know, tremendous reputation and now you're a veteran guy who's been a winner

Now you're around and have been around a lot of young players in the league

What's the difference when when when you were young to where it is now?

Well, I think I mean, I think all the

Younger kids or the new kids. I mean they they seem to be just all about hockey. I mean

It's it's it's literally all they do all they want to do and

Um, I mean for me as a young young player. I knew I I really like the game hockey

Of course, I loved it and I love being out there and playing but

No, there was a you know an off-ice component that you'd enjoy as well

But you know, I think young kids now are just you know, they're so so dialed in and you know, even if

You know, you're out in the playoffs in a week or the season ends. It seems like you know, they're back on the ice in a few days and

Just just can't stay away from it. Which which I'll I'll never understand

I like to let I like to let my gear collect a little bit of dust

You know, you're at joke course

Before

Travel back on, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it's you know, it's it's it's good because they're just you know, they're locked in and they

You know, they really enjoy the sport and just being at the rank and you know, it's you kind of feed off it a little bit

Nate talk about our Nate

Nas talk about Nate McKinnon like there's legendary stories that this guy

It's just like

maniacal about winning where it's like no

Pop in the dressing room and

The food and just just is every day routine like how crazy is the stuff that goes on with this guy as far as is like

Desire to get better and is a desire to win every night

That's I mean that's it. He's a ferocious competitor and that's kind of always been my takeaway with Nate and

Obviously, we we get along great. We've we've had some great chemistry on the ice on off the ice. So

Um, I mean for him he's just he's just always looking to find another gear which which I can certainly appreciate and

I mean, I don't think it can it can fool you. I mean he's got his guilty pleasures too. So I don't I don't think

Everything's all like, you know, keen wand and broccoli constantly. I think he uh he knows when when to pick a slots and

Um, you know, just just what a player. It's been such a such a treat just you know watching him play and and

You know being on the ice with him and just uh, you know, I think he he pushes everybody to get better just because

You know what he does out there is inspiring it kind of drives everybody else kind of into the fight with him

Well, you guys are sitting pretty right now uh home ice throughout the playoffs and you're waiting to see if you play Minnesota or Dallas

You might get that answer tonight if not you probably have to wait a couple nights

That's probably a bonus for you guys of this goes seven

So we'll be tracking it. We're uh following you guys as always

We wish you nothing but success and thanks for doing this today. Noz and we appreciate it

All right boys next having me on have a good one. You got it. Noz and cadre joining us here on the maple Toyota hotline red tag days are here

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Okay, thank you to noz and I like that old school. Maybe you'd just take a peek at what's going on out there

New school go home and shut it down and play video games and go to the rink in the morning. It's crazy

Yeah, I told you I enjoyed your routine. Got it. I enjoyed it. My end of the year routine was about a month

straight

Cancun for seven days

Back with my boys at home and then

Just yeah, it was it was a month long better just

Was it a ten pack would you put ten pounds like what you know usually like guys put

Weight on at the end of the season other than seven or eight years

I didn't even jump on a scale. I was 191 for a long time

I later on

Not so much

Well, I know that you know some guys that played with could eat McDonald's every day and have six percent

I was basically he could eat anything he wanted and he would just he would lose weight if if he ate that it was

He's a freak of nature. Damon Lankel was the guy that I remember him that guy was my roommate at the under 18 tournament in Japan

He was a break. Yes, and toughest nails like oh god. Yeah, scary top scary tough

Like that's kind of like noz. I'm like noz. I'm not he's not cut. He's not big

But he's kind of he's

Yeah, why are you in Lanky, but it will fight like a train to absolutely

Yeah, yeah has thrown some massive hits in his career

And he sounds like he's pretty happy being in Colorado

Well, I wouldn't you be absolutely exactly you know sweep the kings you're sitting at home

It's gonna get tough now. I mean not the third unaware of that, but it's gonna start to get difficult here

Okay, I've got my

Listing updated bar playlist you guys want me to get to this one day and Thursday every Monday and Thursday now you got me

because Darf Lidar is

It's an omission right now, but I'm thinking Darf Lidar is like one of these younger guys who doesn't want to go to the bar

Right, he's at home watching game tape

Right, so I'm gonna say the bar play isn't necessary because I don't think he was out there, but you're probably right

Let's give him an honorable mention

Lidar was phenomenal and last night in particular he was incredible and he was great all season

Like down the stretch you you you're not a team built like that

Unless you like and you don't get in unless you get really good goaltening

Like you just need it and it's happened number five on the list. I've got

Caprice of it number five currently leading the playoffs and points

This is a guy who's about to be the highest paid player in the league

And there's always some nerves about that and I scored an empty net of the other night

But still it closed the game out you have three points in the game

Dry settles there too at nine points the quiet like I wouldn't say quiet nine points

But like just routine dry subtle every single year in the playoffs the guys gonna have a million points

But Caprice of you know not a ton of playoffs history

You know not not plan up the middle of the a is not gonna play 25 minutes a night kill penalties and do all this kind of stuff

He's he's pulling his weight like he's been really good. He's been really dynamic and nine points is nine points

So I got Caprice of it number five. I have David Pasternack at four

He was not on the list last on Monday. No, he wasn't

This is basically a one trick pony to get on the B listing. Yeah, see that's the thing though

I thought long and hard. I'm like I should probably still have Hegel on there

But I it's a recent it's kind of a reset. Yeah, I mean every guy you got to think after that overtime winner

Scoring the goal and incredible fashion

Yelling at the Buffalo fans that we're coming back that wreaks of bar play. Yes, that's like Dougie 92 with no gear on walking in

To yeah, I don't know if you can touch Doug Gilmore quite yet in you know 93 94 I'm not that's 92

Dougie Gilmore no gear on going into the sharp club

I don't even think you know what that's all I've heard of it

I never got to experience it. Yeah, but I've heard of it

Number three Jacob Dobish. I got Dobish as the guy. I wasn't gonna put taxi and I thought a Gallagher

But it was a great story to see him score and he was out there late in the game

You know trying to kill the game down and he's he's a warrior and he hasn't been playing and but Dobish pictures of of Gallagher

That's okay. Keep the bucket on keep the bucket on. It's all good

But Dobish has been Dobish has been good man, and you referenced it. He didn't get tested

Like a ton, but volume counts

You know look at the taxi. I go look at the York goal

Even if the shots are from the outside they can still beat you and they can be back breaking

And the Habs had that game that got into the third

I think Tampa threw 17 or 18 shots at him in the third and he held strong

And they love a goal tender in Montreal

Love a goal tender in Montreal number two. I got Brett Howden

Vegas strip

Short-handed short-handed double OT winner at home

That guy on the strip. Yes literally walks out onto the

You just put him in a bar play hands on when your keys and say take my car home do whatever you can have it

Yeah, whatever you want with it. I'll see you later. What a play

What a play like this one? Maybe it's got to be stopped though

Yeah, it's weird the surprise, you know, I think it's a prize to everyone

They're on the power plant. That's what's crazy part. He just steals it turns and fires

If a melka's a really aggressive goal tender like he's a first shot goalie. That's just out on it

They got him moving a little bit to you know the goal tending in that that series has been a little spot

Yes a lot of goals like we we talk about Edmonton and I'm it's five four every night in that series or close to it

But what's what's weird about that sequence is it's a two-man

Forecheck on a kill two on four. Yeah, like mariner's in the corner and howons deep like well below the circles

Like not playing conservatively at all

I appreciate that greatly and they pounced and they made it work. I remember what labby said yesterday

That you get a little bit aggressive catch somebody sleeping man. That's exactly what this what I guarantee you

Tell us like well both of these guys aren't gonna come fight me for this puck and that's there's curve foot

Curfewt that gets snake there

Anyway, moving on number one. I've got the stick

Chucker himself Cam York

Yes, I got Cam York, you know in Philly right you're you're you're on broad street an hour and a half after the game

You just scored the ot winner to knock Pittsburgh out of the playoffs

You know much more significant that isn't Philly that is that they sent Sydney Crosby in the pens home

And Cam York does it in overtime and throws a stick into the stands

So yes a lot of recency bias. It's not like Cam York has been the greatest player in the playoffs far from it

I will say this shout out to Meechkov you got this started right play last night

Got a secondary or got a primer exist there on the York goal, but good for him

That's a good response. That's what you're looking for like big pockets like you know what you sat out the last game

And I made the stupid comments of get rid of them you put them back in and give them a chance to respond

show the coach the only job of the player

When this situation happens is show the coach you hated how much that just went down. Yeah, there's some guys

We've all seen it in the past where it's like scratch and they go out there and act like nothing happened

You've got to show the coach how much you hated that it's like me and Jamie talk about every veteran guy that we ever played with that

There was a healthy scratch the next practice was automatic fight they'd get in a fight practice because they want to show the coach that they're

And they're hourly and they're not going to accept it

Yeah, and the one last thing hazy for any player

That's losing their salad

You've got to go to the ally afraid he's school of salads in New York

He rode up the boards smashed into the partition

Was unconscious and on the icy grabbed his bucket and put it on because he was not

Going down that road unconscious. Yeah, I know

I I appreciate that to find that video though. We got to find that where he like

Dogey find the video. Help it a bridge loaded off of his

There was one. I don't know which particular play it was. It might have been the one where he rode up the boards

And unconscious he still had the whereabouts

Should just grab the bucket put it back

Okay, but love to his head

Instinctively cover it up

Instinctively and unconscious right said this thing's going on. Yeah, it just happens

Speaking of videos, we're going to come back. I have access to a video that has been sent my way. Oh my god

We're gonna play a video. It's a supporter video. We're gonna play

We're gonna play a video here that was shot this morning

We will play it

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All right, that's better in the hour powered by fan duel Brian Windhorst in just a few moments as well on the raptors losing last night

Sounds like Brandon Ingram is a

Questionable to play tomorrow night. I can't believe

About that vibe. It's just he's been terrible and he was terrible to start the game last night and then it's a heel inflammation

Yeah, which like I do we need you they need you got to play like you that you you got to play forget the money forget everything else

You're young enough got you're very young guy relatively speaking and you're an incredibly important piece

They couldn't score in the four quarter without him and I know he hasn't played great the first four games

I can't get the negative thought out of my head. It was just from being like pissy at the beginning of the series that he's like i'm gonna show you guys

I always get that thought in my head and there he goes

Yeah, and walking down the hall and and questionable for game six Scotty said he's gonna be okay

But he was banged up last night as well

Um, and they just they went cold in the fourth quarter so windhorst on that more still to come

So this morning

Oh when I were off, you know doing a shoot with a bunch of great people and we've got a really exciting thing coming up next week

That we're gonna announce and we're gonna get into very soon

And luckily for us and anyone that was working on the site

there was

It was catered effectively right there was there were muffins and quissons and coffees and fruit and it was just phenomenal

It was an incredible vibe and everyone was in great spirits

And

Which I think was a very nice touch because this is unusual

I've been to a number of events that are catered. I don't recall seeing a little basket

with

chocolate bars and little bags of chips and stuff like that

And within that basket

there were

Or snickers bars

And I spotted them the second I walked in there and I said I haven't had a snickers bar in a long time

I can't wait to have one later. It's eight in the morning. I can't do it now. I'm not going to do it now

But surely there will be snickers bars here

When I

At 11 11 11 30 a.m. I returned

Back to now the crime the scene of the crime and the snickers had been swiped out

Alongside the kit the Kit Kat bars

The problem bars the bags of chips the peanuts

There are a lot of things in there

Now I was curious

Who was the one

They

Possibly do that

And you know when you watch like law and order you see these movies and then they find access to video tape and they show

The yes

The trigger walking to the room or leave the scene of the crime roll the tape Joe

Oh no, oh no

Okay, so that bag is full of stuff now the camera was not

For your sake, you're very lucky the camera was not actually

At the candy station, but this is you exiting trying to play

The bag of the Santa coffee like look at this guy

I was literally

Do you remember in the original but dude? How do they not have the actual like the

The theft I guess they're the video they're still working on it as my

Might have been scrubbed, but do you remember the born identity when that guy walks out of the the consulate and

He's he's I want to say is the the Chinese diplomat. He's walking out with the suitcase and they have the that's basically oh

Yeah, like that's you see these in movies

And then you know and it's an America's most wanted if you like and that was the last we saw as he walked out the door exactly

Walking out with his duffel bag full of snickers and kid cats. I am so glad that they don't have

Stuffing because you know what I did

I

Left the table with all of that stuff

And then I took two steps and I said you know why don't grab one more snickers and I went back

No, if they got if they got back. I'm begging them to find that tape. I just don't know

Unbelieve you want to go tee it up there

Unbelievable place. Yeah, they always seem to have better weather than north kind of GTA go to

Yeah, it's a really fun course really really fun course and it's a really good shape

So Barry if you can do us that favor but that alone do I find that almost more funny

You walking out trying to pretend like nothing happened

And the little fake stop and chat as if you know you're being watched because people are like this guy

You can't just run out with that kind of stuff

But dude imagine Barry his like his head must want to explore because I asked him

For the bag right and he went into the kitchen and got me the brown

He must have thought like I'm putting a sweater or something

It was to rifle bags of chips for my wife and like snickers bars crime stoppers

Yeah, that's a crime stoppers. That is a crime stoppers video. That's what it is

Thank you one more time. Give us the walk out so casual too. So happy with himself. Look at this guy

Hey, let's see what's going on over here. Oh, that's interesting. I could take it to leave it

Okay, now move over here

And I'm going to pretend that I'm going to do a stop and show someone so I'm not guilty of stealing all the snickers and the kid

Oh my god, it's outrageous

Outrages all right. We have Brian. I'm sure Brian's ecstatic with this type of this is a segue for a serious from ESPN

The Raptor's still alive big game tomorrow night

Here's ESPN NBA reporter and analyst Brian Windhorst. How you doing Brian?

Good afternoon guys

So Brandon Ingram questionable tomorrow night

If he doesn't play if he's not available tonight or tomorrow or game seven

How how difficult is this going to be for the Raptors in your opinion to not only survive game six

But possibly win this series

Well, it depends. I mean the Brandon Ingram

Who's the all star or the Brandon Ingram who played the first

Four and a half games

You know frankly a good place to start would be to recapture the Scotty Barnes from game three and four in the first half of last night

He I mean, I can't I it's not my leg, but it looked to me like he banged knees and then really wasn't as effective later on

Also what Ingram's not on the court the calves whole

The defensive system isn't evolved around him and they can pay more attention to Barnes

So like really by the end of last night's game

The wrapped you know, I don't know. Maybe it was a super effective defense

But to me the Raptors were down, you know, two and a quarter of their star players

And you know, you I mean with all due respect, you know

I respect but James and battle has done and Jamal shed

But they're out there trying to win a road game five with two guys who were going through the NBA as two a guy

And then it was um, you know, it was I mean it wasn't quite smoking mirrors

But those were lay on the table. So I mean, I say this

With admiration of what the Raptors are doing and what Darko is getting them to do the

With where yesterday's game ended the talent level between the two teams was not

Equivalent at all when the Raptors are at full power. Yeah, I mean, they you know, they're right there, but

Um, it I mean it was it would have been an absolutely

Incredible jaw dropping win had they held on to that

frankly that the cabs were still fighting to win the game in the last minute

Is not a great sign for the cabs medium term here and my hats off to the Raptors for staying in this because they're only way

They're really really able to score with the cabs is by to generate turnovers and go in the half court

Or go in the in the in transition

Half court they're having trouble because he just don't have enough offensive players

So it would definitely help if Brandon Ingram was out there and the Brandon

Was able to hit some shots because yes

They've denied him the ball, but no

He is not playing to the level that he should be playing under the circumstance and how does this

Kind of jekyll and hide behavior from Ingrams particularly in the playoffs match like his his reputation prior to getting here

Like how do you explain because he had an unbelievable start an unbelievable first impression of the city of Toronto

He was great to start the year and he played a ton, but he like you said

I mean, it's it's obviously watching play hasn't been aggressive game one was really strange

His post game comments were strange

How do you explain a guy who's not a kid who's a veteran who understands how important he is

You know playing the way he's been playing throughout this series

Well, that is not the Brandon Ingram that I have known the playoffs before and now I'm just going to be honest with you

I would not have given him 120 million dollars when nobody else was bidding

Okay, I mean, you know, I thought there I thought the raptors stuck their neck out

on that contract but

And I really didn't like trading for him and he's pretending at the worst frame dangle in the history of

You know us canadian relations, but that's all behind that's all water over the bridge

um

He is a guy who is very hard to deal with in playoff settings

I covered the series that he played with the pelicans a couple years ago

Against the sons and he was an out he's just an absolute load to deal with typically in a half-court set

Does he six ten?

He's he's essentially Kevin Durant Jr

Where you can't deal with him because his shot releases so high in his size is so terrific

He's a player that you would typically want in a playoff setting because he's a half-court playoff specialist

Because if there's so many things you can do and because he can initiate offense

You would you would even figure that with quickly out that he would become even more

valuable so

There's a you know in any long playoff series

There's there's ten different dramas unfolding

But there's no doubt he is underachieved and that has been disappointing

Especially because the raptors invested so much into him. They basically said

This is going to be scotty barns running mate

Um, and you know the thing about the raptors they've done a really nice job

In talent acquisition like that trade that value of that trade was pretty good

The you know the value of you know where they got you all shed how they got quickly

I I liked all of these deals, but the but they've paid these guys through the freaking know

And you know like I am very excited about scotty barns. He is

Really developing into a franchise cornerstone

um

This series while on one hand I say

Boy darker was really getting them to play hard. I really have impressed with how they've

battled back over and over and over

This is a very expensive team

To be not able to perform a little bit better in this you know when when what we've seen so far

Well, we haven't even mentioned yak a portal go ahead. Oh

So Brian just saying that non-starter that that is a with all due respect

Because the raptors these guys in the raptors front office have built the championship team

They have paid guys where no one is bidding and no one was bidding that much on yak a portal

No one was bidding that much on branding but I'm not saying I don't want them in my organization

I don't want to sign them. I just don't want to pay them those prices same thing with quickly

Again, maybe I don't know all the information. Maybe there was some offer out there for quickly that I'm not aware of but

Literally the last three contracts big contracts that the raptors have signed the whole league has taken a gasp

And said oh my god now the acquisitions of them were beautiful

But the but the contracts have been heavy

Ryan how far away would you say like the Scotty is the main piece you just

gave him props

With his development

How many pieces would you say they would be away from being like a real deal contender someone like a team the whole league would be talking about the next couple years

I mean, I mean you you don't have to ask me that I mean they've

They've done a very nice job to pick themselves up from where they were a couple years ago when they had to move on

From the from the you know when they had to move on from Kyle and they moved on from Siacum

They've done a nice job rebuilding the core

Their challenges

They are in you know, you know look around the east look at the teams in the east

Look at what Boston has look at what Cleveland has look at what Detroit has

Look at the teams in the west

You know and say how does this particular group rise up?

Okay

They've done a really nice job getting from tenth to fifth

Getting for higher than fifth is going to be hard and the and the real challenge is going to be

The players that they you know where we are in the NBA today and and I understand

fans don't always totally fully get this conversation because it's changed

Player value from literally just two three years ago is different now

A team cannot afford to have

One or two bad contracts on its books. It just can't because before it just cost your owner a bunch of money

And if your owner could spend and the raptors were a deeper pocket of franchise

If your owner could spend you could buy your way out of a problem. You could survive a bad contract

Now when you have a bad contract or two it kneecaps you

um

In what your ability to build to team build and like by the way

I'm not sitting over here saying boy the raptors have some

Challenges getting to the next level and ignoring everybody else the calves are in the same boat the calves are the most expensive

roster in the NBA

Dude that's the most expensive roster in the history of the calves franchise crazy

Okay, and they're in fourth place and in the dog fight with the team that doesn't have their point guard

That's desperate to play super fast and doesn't have their fast point guard

So um, I would say just in general

um, you know

There are some teams in the east that are going to be challenged on how they get to the next level with the

current rules because

Some of these kind like it's not much of an evaluation is hey, do you like

um

Yaka pearl as a player. Oh, yeah, I mean there's a demand for

For a bunch of center like there's a whole bunch of teams that need centers. Absolutely. There's a bunch of teams that have interest

Then you bring up yaka pearl's contract. You're gonna get the phone hung up on you

It's not about him as a player. It's about the contract. Nobody can take an overweight contract in the apron era

That's just reality and the raptors just have a couple of them so

They've done a really nice job and I and I'm not ruling out in this series

Um, and I love where Barnes is. I love where he's at

But the next step will be a challenge and they're having a challenge in the next step in this series

Right

Well, and you mentioned the calves. I mean they like you said the highest payroll in the league and they're committed

You know for for years to come. We'll see what happens with that

But obviously that puts a ton of pressure on them and on top of it is the James Harden

Legacy, you know, and I've always kind of had a soft spot for him because he plays like he can't wait to go and he's

I what kind of want to see him have success not against the raptors

But he had a great first two games. He was pretty good last night not great on the road

Where do you stand on hardens ability to close here and how significant is the next six weeks for him and his overall legacy in Cleveland

Well, they've I mean

I can't say that they've already agreed to a contract because I guess they could look

Me in the eye and say that's not true

But James Harden had a no trade clause built into his contract this year

And he agreed to be traded to Cleveland in mid season

Well, why do you think he would do that?

He would do that because he had an idea that his contract was going to be he's gonna have an I think worked out

So what happened in Cleveland is they were building their team on Evan Mobley's timeline

And the Donovan Mitchell trade was to us to go along with Evan Mobley Evan Mobley made all NBA last year with defensive player the year

And they have had to accept the reality that they can't build on Mobley's timeline anymore

They have to build on Donovan Mitchell's timeline

So that decision was a huge gigantic decision and so that's why you end up trading and committing to a future contract

With the 37 year old instead of keeping, you know, the 26 year old Darius Garland

Okay, so all of those things are going on there, but you know, here's the thing that I say about James, you know, he's played like

In 17 different playoffs

So he's got like

I was able to generate statistics

um

On everything that he is all these games where he's been in game five in a two two series

That's actually happened 13 times in his career

But there's a whole data set on just how James Harden performs in game five was two two by the way

It wasn't very good

That was that was a better than average performance yesterday even though he turned the ball over a lot

So now we go to the data set what's James Harden

Profile in three two series where his team is leading

Um, I was at one two years ago. They were they were up three two against the uh

Against the the the Celtics when he's in Philadelphia. It didn't go well

So like Harden could have 35 tomorrow night or Harden could have seven

And you know that's that's an uncomfortable reality

But that's what the data sets says he could lead the calves into the next round and look let's just be honest here

The stakes on this theory they're pretty high like maybe

maybe um

The the the the pistons come back and win

Maybe that happens

But most likely the team that wins this series can have home court the next round

The you know the magic win the next round the team that wins this series probably going to be favored to get to the conference finals

And the raptors were ahead in the fourth quarter last night. Yeah to go three two with a chance to clinch at home

So on one hand, I can talk to you about how we got some flaws on this side of the bracket

That's all true, but there's

Pretty significant stakes who was going on here and I would just say the the table is still set for the raptors

You know they were

Not too far away

from having a close-out opportunity tomorrow and you know

They have played another good game tomorrow night. They make you another shot in Cleveland

Well, they haven't won in Cleveland in the playoffs literally ever, but they're hoping to change that

You don't care about that stat we keep using that stat in Cleveland

With all due respect it doesn't matter what happened in 2017

What happened in 2017 has no bearing on 2000 true, but they played three games this year there Brian and it hasn't worked either

Right, I agree with you in terms of the longevity of it all in the bronze not there anymore

But they didn't blow the second half lead yesterday because of what happened in 2006 true

Valid so I read yeah, I throw that nonsense out. Okay. We're we're cool with that. We like that idea believe me

That's what we're hoping for in Toronto that they survived tomorrow night and back to Cleveland for game seven

He is Brian Winhorse to VSPN great catchin up with you Brian. Thank you for doing this

Take care. Yeah, it's Brian Winhorse. I don't know what he's asking about

I don't know what he's talking about they cannot win in Cleveland in the playoffs. Yeah, it's a fact

Well, it has nothing to do with anything. They just don't win in Cleveland. Yeah, the bronze long gone from Cleveland

They're still not winning there. Yes, Kevin loves gone and Kyrie's gone

and but it's

I guess I I understand what he's saying it's like what we talk about the Leafs every every new

Administration it's like well, it's not their fault. They have a one in 60 years and that's true

They weren't there 60 years ago and obviously these guys weren't there

In 2017, but that's why I went back at them and said literally last night in game one in game two

It didn't happen either. So it's not even about

17 and before that it's more about what has literally happened throughout these playoffs and if England does

And play quickly's already been ruled out

Scotty Barnes is not at a hundred percent or doesn't appear to be it they're they're gonna have to they're in one

They're in one. They're in one. Sure, but Cleveland may be the team you want to play when you're in one because they don't look

Like they're exactly firing on all cylinders either. They're not buttoned up either. Yeah, they were well with the wraps up

Was it 80? It was 89 80. They were controlling that game. There was a ton of point

There's a lot of scoring a lot of offense in the first half last night, which was very different from what we saw in game four

And they had a three-point lead going into the fourth quarter

And then they they scored their first points in the fourth quarter four and a half five minutes in on three throws

Stopped the bleeding a little bit, but they never got the lead back

So we'll see game six tomorrow night Raptors Cleveland

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I don't have a great feel for who wins that game. You got to be honest, hey

Yeah, either do I

This is anaheim's opportunity to

To there is shut. Yeah, to bail you go back to Edmonton and you get hey sus and dry side of flying around there

You don't need you don't need that you don't want that trouble and same same thing with Minnesota

You don't want that you don't want to go back to Dallas like I think you're you're looking at I think these these home teams

Got to try and win tonight because you don't want to game set take a page out of Philly last night

Right like don't go back to Pittsburgh and they did not because if they'd lost last night

They'd be a huge underdog in game seven

Yeah, right and obviously it doesn't matter now they won, but I agree. I think Minnesota

Can win game seven on the road

I think anaheim they would be in big trouble in tough. Yeah, they may be in tough

Yeah, and I would argue the haves or somewhere in between I don't think they're quite the same as

Anaheim, but they're not far from that in terms of being raw and young and inexperienced

You might want to get that win tomorrow night at the Bell Center

That's fair you go back down to Tampa you're playing with some fire there

Problem is is anything can happen in game seven like we say all the time

Goldie steals one we saw hell about gold medal game didn't matter what Canada did like that type of stuff game seven

That's you when it's one and take it all

Anything can happen bad penalty you get a five minute major and yeah, it team scores three power play goals

It's curtains like you don't well doesn't have to change much Jamie

I think they've been the better team for larger portions of the like the play

They deserve to be where they're at go ahead and recognize that and take advantage of how you're playing

Very them tomorrow night you got an opportunity that building will be oh my god

Better be so much fun. I have buddies in Toronto asking me

Like do you have any tickets? I'm like how would I have tickets? Yeah, that's crazy at the Bell Center. I'm in Toronto. I don't

No, I don't get me some tickets. Yeah us three wanted to go

We would have to buy tickets. Yes, and it would be difficult to do that. Yeah, like very very

And they would be five hundred each. Yeah, that's how much we'd have to pay probably more than that. Yeah, more

I think it'd be it'd be worth every penny if they win tomorrow's of course, but I yeah, you're not getting

A hometown discount on that you're paying your paying sticker price and top dollar. Yes, for sure top

Top dollar

So anyway, yeah, we'll see we'll see what these teams have in store tonight

And the jays are in Minnesota

Planned of twins

We have one more video in the way out the walk out the kaiser sose leave you to stay

You gotta ask Barry like try to get I don't know how there's not a camera in that main ballroom

I'm working on it. We will work on it. There he is kaiser sose

So happy though just so happy

Just walking

With his little whole brown bag of gifts

Just basically the Santa of the Gulf world called his wife on the way home bringing home a treat. We got to stop that

Look at what are you doing over there? Like why are you?

It was a somebody asked me a question about the Leafs or something. I don't know. And then

Constantly is with all those snickers

Sauntering god they were calling my name noodles. I can't even tell you how excited it was for a snickers on the road

Dude, I guarantee you I would I'll go back and I'll do zoom in's man. I left a snicker there too. I

I went through that thing like yeah exactly like you know again in the movies where people are like pouring through

You know someone took the prize someone took the gold. Yeah, I was turning that place upside down. There was nothing left

Nothing

There was just feather feathers or it's the worst like it's the Mars bars. Yeah, something. I had no intention on an island

See I I don't know. I feel really bad because on my way out

I rolled my window down on my truck for a couple different reasons

And I heard the camera crew go like let's break for lunch

You got out of there and you're linking now like they probably all wanted a bag of chips the snickers

There's a camera in

That's the next video. This guy's link and drive like buzzing out of there on two

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