PAUL ENGLISH LIVE #157 · With Ana, Dede and Miles

0:00Well, hello everybody and good evening. Welcome to the show. It's Thursdays, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It's Thursday again. And you know what? I was just thinking, I just went out for a little walk before the show started. Beautiful moons sitting over the sea. And I just realized that it is the last, the last Thursday of the summer of 2026, because next week will be the 24th. Look at me with the sums. I'm doing brilliantly under. Next week will be the 24th. And that means we're in awesome. How about that? Isn't that exciting? Anyway, hopefully you've all got your trousers and your skirts on or wherever you're wearing this afternoon this evening, wherever you may be. Welcome to the show. Well, I suppose in roused about fashion, I should say, we've got a crampack show for

1:11you this evening. And it's actually true. Actually, Eric, of course, is sitting around in the way to the room. I'm going to bring him on momentarily, but we've got three cracking guest lined up for tonight. But there was only two up to about an hour ago. Anna is about is going to be joining us around about eight, ten minutes past day and about five or ten minutes, something like that. And then in hour two, we've got D.D. Hillyard. There's going to be joining us from Cabby, although there's a Cabby connection with Anna Isabel as well. So it's all very incestuous this evening. And then we're going to be joined by the infamous miles later on, sometimes just after 10 o'clock. Ah, hello, everybody. Good evening. It really is a beautiful evening. It's been, we've

2:11had, we always like to start off with a bit of weather, at least I do anyway. So we had lots of lovely, lovely, delicious rain this morning. It was proper rain. First one, first proper rainfall for like six months. We had a light smattering here and there, but it's brightened up lovely. I must do a weather broadcast. I just love it, I think, and the clouds are moving in from the west and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But as I was just saying, I've just been down the beach. There's a beautiful half moon, a bit like a jaffa cake, right? There's a half moon sitting out over the sea and the air's still a bit warm, which is really pleasant. So it's very, very refreshing down here. Lots of fun domestic things to tell you about. I'm sure that's what you've tuned in for. But let me bring on Eric Von Essick, who's patiently waiting in the wings ready to have a chat. Good evening. Good evening, Eric. Hi. How are you, sir? Hello. I'm a sun grumble and it has been a beautiful day, isn't it? I mean, we've had the same here as raining first thing in the morning. And then we had

3:15some beautiful blue sky and white clouds. And it got really hot this afternoon and they retten were in for another heat wave. This is our El Nino, is it? I can't pronounce it. Is it? That's supposed to be, it's going to be one of the worst or that for years. So it'll either bring us a terribly harsh winter or a very mild one. So your guess is about as good as mine. The bats are on. Oh, I don't know what they're going to do. I wouldn't mind a harsh one. But there you go. It's easy saying this. We've just had six months of apparently glorious weather. But I must I've enjoyed the last few weeks more. It's just cooled down a bit and it feels more normal like for the time of the year, whereas the sun was just weird to me. But then I am very, very old. But it does seem a little bit, it seemed a bit weird. I've got, I've had lots of domestic fun though this week. To get to the studio, which is awfully grand, isn't it? I think the radio shed here has until the last couple of days been a relatively recent affair. A very easy affair, I should say, because all I had to do was pop out, open the back door, as they

4:21say, and I used to pop out and it was all of two yards walk. That was my morning commute into the shed no longer for the kitchen door as given up the ghost. It's been hanging by one hinge for about 18 years. My God, that hinge has done a good job. You couldn't tell unless, you know, I pointed out to you. So it's been hanging by a hinge. Anyway, it gave up the ghost. The one remaining hinge gave up the ghost, I think on Monday. And so I've had to completely sort of lock the door totally, so all in place because we don't want caterpillars and badges and dragons walking into the kitchen. That would be a terrible state of affairs. So I now have a much longer walk here at you'll be pleased and I have to go out the front door. Yeah, yeah, it's all the way round. I'm losing weight already. It's about 15 yards now to walk to the studio. It's kind of thing. I'm a bit tired out to be quite honest. So yeah, that's all being fun. And of course, it turns out that my door is not a standard door. I measured it up and I thought, oh, I've got a door

5:22then, right? You know, that's what you think. So I measured it up and I've gone on the website to go, oh no, this is a unique custom design door. And I went to one place. I thought, hmm, he said, build your own design your own. So I did poll the measurements in the glass, everything. And it came back with a price. Do you know what price it came back with? Probably look like someone's phone number. It was 1546 pounds. What? Yes. What for a door? Did you say to them? I mean, well, one. I don't want a dozen. Yeah. 1546 pounds for a door. I'm going. I'm worth. We're missing a tricky. I need to get the door business. Don't you think? I mean, it's just people are always opening and closing them. Are they? You know what's the thing? Well, close close close close, isn't it? But when you think about it, machines now build doors. They just put the details in the machine goes bang bang, catch while up. There's very little carpentry real carpenters. Yeah. Dealing with the doors. So you would have thought that I'd

6:24got a lot cheaper. No, that happened. I know. Where does thing? We've got a good friend who is a skilled carpenter. I was talking to my sons. We know him quite well. He's a lovely chap. I want to mention him. But they said, well, you could you could talk to him. But if you if you start a conversation with him, it'll probably never end. He's known to have a short chats like two and a half hours. I'm going. Okay. But I don't know. I've got to think it through. So it's been fun. And then I went down the lumber yard or the timber yard today to see if they could help me out with the door. They said, no, I said, well, haven't you got a big rig that could plane down a door that's slightly too big and they said, oh, you need to go and see Matt. I said, of course, I do. He said, he's over there in that office. So I tried over the yard. Go up the stairs. He's mad. Oh, no, he's just taking his lunch break. He won't be back for an hour. I said, I'll come back. I'll come back Saturday morning. Yeah, well, you know, I think it could be done. So very exciting use for you all out there. Just before we do yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I've actually found a quick way of building a door. And that's using is it GRP boards and you have a board and you just

7:29clad the outside of it. And I won't go into the full details now. No, no, no, I'm a great fan. I actually built one for my, for my neighbor's garden gate. I'll do a bit of backdoor chat with you a bit later after the show. Okay. If you're suffering from insomnia when Dr. Fleetwood comes on, this could be a good cure for insomnia, us talking about doors and sheds. So that people tune in for that. I know they've all tuned in for door chat this week and they're all very excited. A big pleasant surprise for you all. No doubt that we're talking about doors. Because you got to talk about these sorts of things. So yeah, that's fine. Anyway, what was that else? Was there something else that I had to do? Oh, yeah. I haven't done the old sort of intro and everything. So you listen to Paul English live. We're going out of WBN324 and of course, fftradio.com. We're also on Rumble and YouTube. We're on Eurofoc Radio. We're on Global Voice Network. I think Paul's in the studio, although he might be moving. So I've got to just check

8:34and where else? I don't know. A few other places as well. I'm on Holi Land Radio. Yeah, I'm on Holi Land Radio as well. I just forget. I'm on FFM as well. Oh, yeah. Rumble. YouTube. Absolutely. Go very, you're very good at this. And look, if you want a chat at any point, we've got three chat rooms. We like to offer you plenty of chat rooms. So there's one on YouTube. There's one on Rumble and FFTradios got its own chat room, which people are still in the process of discovering. If you go to fftradio.com, the chat room link is the bottom right hand corner. Click it and you can get in there. And I'm looking at all three of them in a slightly wonky way tonight because my eyes are funny. No, it's just a bit wonky, but there we go. Anyway, welcome. And now for our guest Anna Isabel's, just I'm going to put her on the stage. All the spotlight is in everything momentarily, but she kindly sent me over some little notes about herself, which is the first time, I think a guest has ever done that. It's probably because they don't have them, but it's great. I just read you a few

9:34little things. Anna Isabel is an astrologer, hypnotherapist, teacher, writer and broadcaster. She combines hypnotherapy and astrology to help unblock repressed aspects of the personality, as well as working on the links between the birth chart, karma and pre-birth experiences. Anna has worked in a clinical environment and continues to work closely with various doctors to help patients with stress-induced conditions. And she's the winner of the Astrological Associations CARTA Memorial Award in 2017. And I spoke with Anna earlier this week. We had a great little self intro chat. I don't know whether we're going to be talking about that or not, because there are all sorts of other things that we touched upon. But Anna, hello, good evening and welcome to the show. Good evening. It's lovely to be here. It's lovely to have you. Fantastic. Do you like today's picture for the show? I picked it specially given our chat the other day. Can you see it on the screen? I have been looking at it very intently. Yes.

10:37It's good. Anybody that can paint that amount of petals you've got to worry for them. Just for those of you that do sometimes ask me where did these paintings come from. Of course, I just knocked these out over 10 or 15 minutes on a Tuesday morning. Now this is by a guy called Lawrence Alma Tadeema. What a name. I think I've featured some of these things before. Lawrence Alma Tadeema, brilliant painter from the late 1800s. So there you go. Anyway, Anna Isabel, what is it that we were talking about the other day that you wanted to set as the tone for for the show? There was something that was on your mind, wasn't there? Well, yes. I guess, you know, being an astrologer, astrology is a fascinating subject because people think it's all about star signs, but it isn't. It isn't exclusively about that. It is a symbolic language which is all about understanding our place in the cosmos if I can put it like that. So yes, you know, there is

11:42ancient psychology linked with it. And Carl Jung, for instance, drew on a lot of astrological symbolism. And in fact, to this day, personality tests that people might do like the mybriggs, personality tests, they're based on astrological archetypes. So this is so there is that side of it. Right. But then, you know, people also ask, well, where did it all start? And that's where it gets very interesting because what astrology is is an understanding of theologies of different times and cosmology. And so consequently, there's a very strong philosophical and historical side to astrology. And embedded within it are understandings of what the soul is and different

12:42energies and how they express themselves in humanity and also in our interactions with the atheist, deities. And that's where it becomes, you know, we call it mythology. Once in one upon a time, that would have been the average person's theology. So there's a lot in there. And consequently, I do a lot of thinking. I do a lot of thinking about the deep recited of things because I teach astrology. I write about astrology. And I also am a therapist. So I'm always thinking. And of late, I have been pondering very much on the different approaches that societies have had to life and their relationship with the world and with nature throughout history. And

13:47how that links in with what in I guess Chinese philosophy would be called Yin and Yang energy, we would see it as male, female energy. And I choose to use the Chinese term so that we're not stuck in the man, woman paradigm because all of us have personalities that are going to be more one way or the other, more Yin or more Yang. And I started to ponder on this and thought, you know what, we need to move beyond the paradigm that has been prevalent in our view of the world for millennia now. And what that what I mean by that is that there is a certain way of relating to the world, which is power based. It's about domination. It's about control. And typically we

14:57can see this not just in our own relationships as human beings, but just our relationship with nature, where nature is something to be conquered, dominated, and where nature is something to be used. And it's not that I'm going all woolly and green in the political sense, that is not what I'm saying. What I am saying though is that this has led to a very materialist point of view. And I'm not saying materialistic as in, you know, no money and communism. No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is materialist as in there is no soul to anything and everything has is no longer nothing is sacred, including human life anymore. And looking back at history, there were

15:57societies that did things differently. So the the Druids for instance, it was in Druids actually were teachers. We think about Druids as being a belief system now, but Druids were teachers. And they were teachers in their communities. So I guess the parallel to that would be a shaman who is a teacher, a guide for the community. These were not hierarchical societies. The cathars were not hierarchical in there in the way that they did things. Right. Yes, there were people who had the job of organizing, but they believed in and they lived equality as in a respect for everybody. And not in terms of status. So I've been thinking a lot about that. And that's how our conversation started.

17:02It is. It is. The Druid, I'm not, that it's interesting actually, because I was on the little chat thing last night and someone said to me, are you a Druid? Because I've written some comments about the history of scripture. They were little general thing. Are you a Druid? I said, not that I know of, although I used to work with a Druid, but I understood, I mean, you'd know better than me. Obviously, it's why I'm asking really. I think I read some way. It took about 30 years as something to acquire all the knowledge to be a, I don't know, a high priest of Druid, I don't know if that was the terminology that they used. But of course, it's very closely associated, well, with these lands and with all the Celtic sort of lands and even into France, I think, and all around that part of the world, isn't it? Or does it extend even further than that? I think the, this actually, the original Druids were pre-Celtic. So, you know, we can see that, because there are stone, the hinges that we are familiar with, we think about stone hinge,

18:07but there are others that are much, much older and that definitely precede the Celtic, the Celtic incursion on the British Isles. So, this is a very old belief system. There were, again, with, there were no gods. It was about the relationship with nature, understanding the cycles of nature, working with nature. And so, all the magic that we think of in association with the Druids was really about understanding how to work with the energies of the earth, the sun, the moon, and the seasons and everything else that went with it. So, so that's a whole, and again, it's a very gentle approach. So, if we're thinking, for example, about Yen energy, which would be a female energy, this energy is not a task-oriented energy. So, for example, in

19:18the dog training world, there can be some very heated debates about the approach to training. So, you have trainers who use force, and you have trainers who are really only concerned with getting the dog to do either by force or in a kinder way would be through rewards, reward methods to motivate the dog to do what you wanted to do. But either way, that approach is totally focused on getting the dog to do what you wanted to do. Whereas, there are other behaviorists who are going to say, excuse me, no, this is an emotional being. There is a consciousness here, and without going all woo-woo, they're emotional. So, if a dog isn't doing what you wanted to do, then you've got to ask why is he emotionally shut down? Because he's been traumatized.

20:23Is it that he's not understanding what you're saying? Is it that they're naturally very impulsive and he's naturally very impulsive and you're not actually knowing how to motivate him to slow down? That would be a Yen approach. The other would be a Yen approach. So, Yen is very direct. It wants results. It's task-oriented, and it's brilliant if you want to build. If you want to do certain types of projects, Yen energy, however, as I've said, has a more holistic view and is more collaborative in its approach to things. So, it's slower. It's more introspective. It's more intuitive. And both energies are equally important in different contexts. And the idea, or the ideal, would be that the two work together in a kind of dance so that... A bit like a husband and

21:28wife when it really works. A bit like a husband's wife. And in fact, in Alchemy, we have the symbol of the Archemical King and Queen, which is that when everything has been separated and all the Davers parts are understood and purified, you come back together again as the Archemical King and Queen Yen and Yen united, which is why in so many of the hermetic texts, you always see the King and Queen with the Sun and the Moon. So, it is exactly that idea of bringing together Yen and Yen. And unfortunately, historically, what has happened is that we have grown to value the Yang way of doing things to excess. So, you think about history. How much history is actually taught about societies that do not operate in a conquest type parameter. Very little.

22:39Very, very little. I certainly never learned about any of it in school. And if anything, it's all about empire building. So, there were the Egyptians, there was the Egyptian empire. And before that, the Babylonian empire, the Assyrian empire, the Persian empire. And we have the Greek empire and the Roman empire. And actually, where really are the remnants of the Roman empire or are we the remnants, I think we still are very much in that Roman empire. And then of course, there's the the British empire. And then let's not call it the American empire, but hey, they've been given the job of having that label most recently, but it's all a bit strange, yeah. Yeah, I think this is the this is the the model of society that we have grown up with. And this is not about woke politics. It is simply about understanding that these values are not serving us. This is not about saying that

23:45our history is bad. And it's not about toppling statues. And it's not about, you know, flailing ourselves for, you know, having had an empire once upon a time, it's not about that. But it is about recognizing that there is something a bit wiffy about it all. And what it is is force. Because if we want to move beyond this history, which has led us to where we are now, where nothing is sacred. And the corruption around us is so huge. And we understand very clearly, I'm sure everybody listening to this radio show or this radio station is well aware of the tyranny that is planned or you know, for us. So it what it is is history repeating itself. And if we're going to

24:47have any chance of moving beyond this history, we have to take a different approach. This isn't about feminism. It's not you see all of that stuff has elements of truth in it. But it's all been co-opted and twisted to manipulate us and to divide us. And does it all sort of, does it all sort of take place within this context of excessive Yang? As it were that that you were stressing it ultimately that the foundation has been Yang for quite some time. You mentioned a couple of minutes ago about civilizations or societies that had lived the other way. And I can't name one. So I was hoping that you might be able to really spot me off on the list. The one the one that is one of the ones that is best known. And yet very few people know about it. Yes. Ethos. So the cathars were in the Longodoc the southern south western part of France

25:52near the colonies. So that bit of France. So west of Quavans. And they were an incredibly successful and wealthy society. They had what looks like a hierarchy from the sense that there were nights and jukes and everything. But where they were different and not as because it did not rely your status and the money that you had did not determine necessarily what you were allowed to do in society. So we're talking here about the Middle Ages incidentally. So yeah, I was going to ask you when are that what's the dates? I mean, I kind of knew that. But if you know the dates a little bit more. Right. 1100, 1200s. And they had I think that their roots were in innosticism. So the idea

27:05was that so this is not necessarily a period. People think that the Nostics were all the same and they all believe one thing. Actually society at that time and in ancient times was extremely plural. And so there were different strains of same beliefs and exactly the same thing with Christianity. So many Nostics were actually Christians as were the cathars. So there's this sense then that there were different ways of interpreting certain beliefs. And so we have a kind of Nostics strain and which held that source is both male and female. And that the idea is that the physical world that we all know was kind of accidentally created. And that's why it's

28:07imperfect. And I'm not going to go into all the different theological. Now there's quite a few on that one, isn't there? There's quite a few encyclopedia-sized volumes on that stuff. I know it's you could spend the rest of multiple lives reading all that stuff. There's a lot of it. Yeah. So but the idea where this is becomes interesting is that Sophia is considered to be an emanation of source, the original source. So there's Sophia and what we would call maybe Christos energy. So it's male, female, that source. And that because Sophia is at least partly responsible for this accidental creation of this world. She comes in and you know through nature and is constantly trying to remind us of the fact that we are, we have a spark of light within us. And that that spark of light is source within us all.

29:17And that if we remember that, then we don't need to you know to have fear and we don't need to to fight. We don't need to dominate. We don't need to do any of the things that we otherwise do. So this is the Yin energy that comes in. Anyway, so this is important because the cathars then for that reason did not favor Yang energy exclusively but also honored Yin. And the way that we know this for instance is that there would have been I guess for lack of a better term high pre-stesses and they chose the knights. So they chose the knights not on the basis of lineage or money but on the basis of let's say purity of heart. And the knight's job was yes to protect

30:20society as a whole but it was also to lead in integrity and to you know to foster good relations. And as I say the Longodoc was very prosperous and they were very pluralist in their accommodation of other cultures and other faiths. It's one of the reasons why they were so prosperous because it meant that trade was very much there. And for those who are interested if you if you're interested in the whole culture of the Trubodors and romantic love and everything from that time. Isn't it lovely that? Isn't it lovely now? It made a strong impression on me when I was a schoolboy. All these things about chivalry and knights and princesses and the and the Trubodors and the singing of tales the whole thing seems magically much more fun than what we've got right now. I know it's

31:25a bit of a lame way to describe it but but it does. But you're right and you know one of and I never understood this then but when I was at university and I was studying medieval French literature and I was looking at medieval texts by Cretiande de Tois and others. I remember you know one of my professors explaining that this was a female influence on the to soften the harshness of the warrior culture that was prevalent at the time. What I didn't realize then is that a lot of this came from the cathars area. I mean obviously I knew they came from the long ago but I didn't understand I didn't know it about the cathars and it's that that idea of the feminine and the masculine holding and protecting the feminists that the two are together that's embedded

32:33in that culture that comes through in those texts despite the fact that they were seriously tampered with later on by the the Catholic church and you know and others. So but the original that original notion of chivalry does have its roots in this. So there so yes that's in answer it's a very long answer to your question about chivalry sorry not chivalry but about a society that is different in its approach but that is you know that that's there it's in our and in our in our literature as well. I've got to tell you that I'm it's one of the areas that I've not really as yet given that time's left looked at I'm familiar with the term and I know that they kind of came to grief at the hands of the the Roman Empire in its form at the time. Were they pushed out into England in places like that or were they just wiped out?

33:35So no the cathars were the cathars were very much there and it was in the middle ages so as well after the the the Roman Empire as we know it the Roman Empire kind of morphed into the the Catholic Church and and the Catholic Church declared a crusade against the cathars and called them heretic. I always thought you know when I was first studying history that this was you know a land grab because of the wealth of the of the Longodoc and evidently they had a language that was unique to them as well and that language is is very much linked with that that area of Barcelona in Spain etc there were there for the Basque region around there the Basque yeah we say that but it's it's it was a really well known and respected society and people gave up their wealth

34:46you know for the good of community etc um amongst to join the cathars so I always thought it was about money and I always thought it was about land because most things are but I do think that there was a twist in this as well because like the Druids the the cathars believed that you were responsible for yourself and the and they also had a strong belief that there was to be no intermediary between you and the source of all life and so well you know that makes rather a few priests redundant in terms of the Catholic Church and so I think that that it was the fact that it was so successful it was a threat and then of course the the king in the north of France was eyeing up the wealth in the south and that is then where this crusade comes in yeah and they they tried to get those

35:51who of a no so-called noble blood in the longa dock to turn against the people and they didn't and this is where things started to go very badly wrong and by the 1200s um it's it's now really you know become a war they were a pacifist society but feeling the military threat they engaged and in that engagement of course they were outnumbered and they they lost yes so if you if you if you see the castle of Montseguer Montseguer was the last fall and it is on the highest pinnacle of of the mountains in that area and there's a lot of of energy at Montseguer as well Carcasson has been turned into a I guess they they've they've restored it so that it looks like what we

36:57believe it would have looked like in the belages um so the these are the two I guess most famous but the town of Toulouse the town of Bezier they're all still there they were you know the the cathars stronghold and barbarism beyond what we would imagine um happened in the in in those attacks so they were completely wiped out um and the and here's an interesting thing I for one of my podcasts I did an interview recently with somebody who lives now in the Longadoc um having kind of stumbled upon it for research for a television program and that that was never made in the end okay and it's and the the desire to wipe out the cathars and the memory of the cathars is so strong

37:58that the government of France has been told by UNESCO that the Longadoc will only get a special historical um accolade if they wipe out if they wipe from all of their tourist literature any mention of the cathars this is right now how within you know in the last I think you're or so that you that we've discovered this so UNESCO uh wants to make the Longadoc you know an area of culture protected culture but will not have the name of the cathars mentioned in its history holy moly that's really you know there's a little phrase we throw around here that you only get flack when you're over the target so there's obviously something of of tremendous concern to them up there at their terrible top of their control grid it would seem exactly right and that's where you know this is where the this Yin Yang thinking I've been you know holding in my head

38:58free comes in because here we are now where we're the threat of all-out tyranny and basically a return to medieval um present systems um comes in the feudal system this is uh you know a bit to return to feudalism yes it is it's high-tech neo-futalism um yeah up to to the ears yeah so we can call it what we like but that's what it would bring us to um and we have to make a choice because the choices we've made so far have led us here and we need to consider the at the heart of this is what we value and ask ourselves what do we value and it's not that you know it's not that

39:59money is the root of all evil although it can be and it's not that power corrupts and corrupts absolutely because it can it you know we know all of this they're there it's there in our language in the sayings that we have yes but it's moving to a point where we think okay it's fear greed lack of trust division a lack of respect for everything that lives that has led us here slowly slowly slowly slowly slowly slowly slowly slowly and how can we start valuing things differently so you know there's all this thing about um equal pay but why is it that

41:00we value certain jobs more than others and those jobs tend to be jobs that are involved in making money so you know anything to do with economics anything to do with banking anything to do with making stuff and then we want to build in a a redundancy into a product because that means people will buy more but we want to be screaming about saving the planet because hey that's going to sell us you know help us to sell solar power etc whilst at the same time the redundancy is you know extracting resources that don't need to be extracted if we were you know recycling but actually not building in redundancy you understand what i'm saying i do yeah i mean that the whole space is so convoluted with it's exactly multiple layers of lies that justify the previous one and so no one ever gets the end of the sentence to ask the actual question of is it all this actually necessary do we really

42:02need to live like this it doesn't come up so you know it's this value system that's based on power and greed really it's not to say that the average person is wanting those things i think the average person isn't but it has been conditioned to believe that that's what's needed for survival or happiness apparently if you can get lots of new stuff you will be happy the adverts tell me that yes yeah exactly so this is this is a problem and coming back then to you know why aren't we valuing jobs that are about caring for others you know why is it a carers get paid so poorly when they work so hard and their job is so phenomenally important why is it that um you know we've always traditionally uh paid nurses etc lower and these are all areas that of of work that traditionally

43:05women have been more attracted to because of it being a more in approach to doing things so this is where it comes in and it's not to say that all women are you know very holistic and it's it's not that i'm just saying biology favors one energy more than the other and one is always more dominant than the other and it could be that you're a woman with more yang and it could be with you're a man with more yin i you know it's this is not about exclusively about biology although in terms of biology Yin does favor the female biology and Yang does favor the male biology the other way around or the other way around purely because if you're carrying a baby you have to care for it therefore you have to have those nurturing instincts in there and you know

44:06it's going to be more developed in some than others so that's that's all i'm saying but it's really about understanding that this imbalance has created a problem and that the only way we're going to move beyond making the same mistake again and again is by evening things out more it's not even about saying one is toxic and the other one isn't it's not it's about an imbalance yeah you know when you were speaking just then about the biology it made me just think about well of course i know males i suppose better than females i mean men don't know anything about ladies do not really it takes a normal long time um has them for me i didn't feel as i was instinctively knowledgeable about the operations of of femininity and all these other things i mean you're doing other things when you're younger but i know that when i've been around guys that are like 100% Yang or very close to it it's tedious is exhausting and it seems completely out of balance that

45:12it's sort of like a manic it's like a jock like a sports jock there's something exhaustingly simplest too simplistic about it of course when you get a feminized males that's exhausting as well there is a blend i just think you have to be predominantly Yang if you're of the male biology this is just a thought i don't know what the ratio would be say 60 40 or 65 or 70 30 seems even better you must be imbued with some of those feminine qualities from one of the better phrase it's probably a better way to describe it because without them you can't actually respond to those other more empathetic and sympathetic parts of life i don't think you can do it and so and somehow i think that most courageous men are the ones that have that quality but in spite of their concern still go ahead and do courageous physical things i have them in the past you know and suffered for it and in that in whatever way that they did suffer for it i mean the idea that the catharsis i thought they were they were quite formidable as a fighting force but i could be wrong about that i mean if there was a book or a couple of books that you would recommend that

46:15might be good primer for someone like me who's i frankly admit i don't know much about this period but i'm very keen to now that you brought it up where should i start so off the top of my i cannot think of a single one well this is no good no you can't come on here and do this to this is terrible i had not anticipated that we would be talking about them in such detail but i am i am quickly looking for the the title of the of the book of the gentleman that i had the good fortune to interview and and i have read his book so i think yes it it it is and in fact i can tell you right now his his name hello sorry his name is Richard Stanley

47:16Richard Stanley everybody make a note of that Richard Stanley yeah i've got that and the the book is the autoran grail hunter autor grail hunter so ostensibly the book is about how autoran who was nazi got got involved in this idea to you know to hunt for the holy grail so you know and that takes takes him into cap our country but the this is although that is the premise on which the book is written it's the history is all there of the of the area and of the people and of the beliefs and and how the society ran so that's a really good one and and i i think that if for people who want to know about the history of druids there is an amazing book by a man a druid by lineage so his family are driven druids you know for forever his name is John

48:24Hughes so that's j-o-n and then Hughes and h-u-g-h-e-s and the book is called druids witches and sin eaters sin eaters oh yes okay a very fascinating anyway it's a fascinating book because it traces so this is why i've been thinking so much a lot about this because it traces the history of the druids and pays particular attention to the area of the of the Welsh marches so this would be the the border of England and Wales so a lot of the counties that are on the English side go once part of Wales and so it's the history of that area which was very steeped in druid tradition and later in in witchcraft and he outlines the the the the beliefs of the druids very very clearly

49:34and where it all went wrong with the Roman conquest and part of that was a bit like the cathars where you know they actually engaged the druids kind of the druid teachers of the time some of them became involved in in Christianity and there was a kind of Christianization that went on and a lot of the the traditional the ancient druids the ancient druid beliefs were diluted and then of course you know they they were pretty much destroyed i i have a book on my shelf and i which is oh what's it called now St Paul in Britain i think it's called written by the reverend somebody or there about 1880 odd which start the whole sort of first third of the book is all to do with the

50:36druidic culture in Britain and of course this is how what do we call this here say let's call it that although i think his evidence is pretty good but if you haven't read the book you might dismiss it it doesn't really matter i got a great deal from it it's one of those things i'll probably get around to reading again at some point not too big a couple of hundred pages but one of the things he talks about uh it is the arrival of the apostles in Britain about 35 AD um and meeting the druids and that there was no clash that the that the base philosophical system that's not the right way to describe it but the basic belief system or the orientation and the way that they approach things was almost identical and i think the only thing that the druids were mystified by is he said anyway in this book was the fact that they wanted to put up a building um to gather in and they said well we don't do that we meeting groves directly under the creation as it were we you know we meet in the creation in in the whole of nature which is the handy work of god you know um so there seemed to be some things similar i never had a sense of adversarialness between druids

51:40and christian of course you get bad ones in all of these things don't you you've got evil druids like Winston Churchill if he was one and stuff like that and you've got the other side of things i mean i actually worked with the druid but we never got around to talking about druid is a much very nice guy Peter good old friend i'll be still alive great guy lovely guy um that was back in the 80s but i don't know much about that either so the tradition of the druids was very much lost and what we have are basically neo druids you know yeah that's what i kind of thought pretend ones which you know are this is where you know some of the less less um less kind let's let's call them uh individuals of high status have become involved with and i think that's a whole other thing it's not what we're talking about here um and it's it's really very important that we all start thinking and examining ourselves as to what it is that we value

52:47and how how we can move beyond this um this need this desire for power relationships because it's destroying it is destroying the planet um because it's it's all about controlling everything and it's going it's destroying us too um people who are in power um many of them you know when i trained as a hypnotherapist years back i um i i saw the the figures of tests that have been personality tests that have been done on politicians on uh really corporate CEOs high corporate CEOs and basically they had the profile profile of psychopaths yes um i remember at the time you know when the world was young and innocent and we didn't know the things that we know now i remember being you know very shocked and surprised um and now i look at i remember i remember

53:53that so clearly because oh my goodness hasn't it just turned out to be absolutely true because the the sad fact is that many people crave power to for their own ends um well i think it's also a case of monkey see monkey do is as if it's the the context that you're all born i mean you don't feel like this when you're four or five or six or seven i don't remember feeling like that too busy throwing mud at things or or whatever i know it seems a ridiculous thing to say but you know i was thinking about only the other day i just thought my orientation or viewpoint in life when i was very young was it was not this and you think well i'm informed about things i must know how things work into some degree you have to become informed because of all the behaviors of people around you but the the sheer sort of joy most of the time when i was young is something that you don't i haven't felt recently not that sort of complete sense of you know a liveness around things

54:57i do from time to time but it's difficult you sort of gets replaced with something else which maybe just as valuable it probably is you know we've all got a path but i think um this whole orientation towards power has become sort of like the the basic thing you know you we see it i mean i talk about well we try and talk about economics but we don't really want to because it's tires and beyond belief but you know if you even think about the way that that's reported it's always about more efficiency and all this other stuff and nobody ever points out why you know why you know there's a lot of basic indicators around us to show that things are not a set all this so-called progress doesn't seem to have benefited the peasants does it and so hey ho neo-futalism is the next step towards efficiency so that's what they seem to be inducting everybody into a sort of general contextual communication across all the media is yes this is what we need you know and no one seems to be sort of the same boot to a goose with regards we're all aware of the cameras and the complete you know manic monitoring of everybody that they want to bring in but the media are still not

56:02in my view responding to it in the correct way they're just sort of sensationalizing it and going this is terrible and everybody goes yes but but what do we do you know and that's where you know these looking at things more holistically in terms of building communities comes in and your next guess is going to talk about that because we these are again this is about looking at what a community needs holistically in order to be for people to thrive and be happy and if we look at it from a psychological point of view there are certain things that we need in order to have good mental health and one of them is connection connection and of trust the the whole purpose of dividing people is to erode the the high trust we are our and in the west as a whole

57:03we are known to have a high trust level yeah and in terms of trusting other people but in terms of also trusting institutions and and that's because our institutions have not been openly brutalizing us in the same way that other institutions have in other parts of the world so we you know we've called that democracy and you know and and so on so there's a high trust level but in order to break a society down and implement this as you as you quite rightly called it neo-futalism it you you have to create division and discord and you have to erode all of those institutions which you kind of quietly and surreptitiously being being making people dependent on by dumbing the patient by not teaching them skills I mean what was it recently this week I heard

58:06and I don't know exactly how this is going to work but rumour has it that the EU has just you know said that they're banning anybody from working on their own cars so what's next you can't put for yourself you know you when we know you know how they feel about natural medicine and anything that we can do for ourselves so they create this dependent and then they make that system that we're dependent on break down and and then that means we don't trust those institutions anymore and hey oh it's okay we've got a solution here because we can we can regulate this and we can regulate that and before you know it you're penned into 15-minute cities so we all know this this thing about you know problem and solution that they want to create so this is the the fundamental basis is breaking everything down breaking down trust so we need to do the opposite we absolutely need to do the opposite we need to create a high trust within our communities by being

59:14active and with the hardest thing we face is saying to people do you know what I know you're busy and I know you're tired but can you just do this one thing because it's all that's it is I think it's just it's down to a lot of habits and I'm just a bit sort of sensitive to the time because we've we've had a goodly hour here we've kind of crept into into DD space at the moment I've got to play a little song at the end but listen I've enjoyed this so much it's been brilliant and I'd love to get you back at some point in the future imminently in a month or so's time whatever however your schedule is set up this didn't go exactly how I thought it was actually better than that I didn't know quite what to expect because we've only spoken the ones and shout out to Maria for setting the whole thing up which was wonderful but yeah I'd love to invite you back at some point you don't have to say yes here on air because that means I'm cornering you and we can't do a thing no no no it's bad for me it's bad yeah it's lovely fantastic and thank you for the hour

1:00:16it's like I said when I spoke to you I said an hour won't be enough but you said it was so I knew I think we could have planned on for a long time on this one but let's pick it up on the next one when we can get you back on the return like that would be fantastic thank you absolutely fantastic thanks Ella yeah absolutely brilliant stuff we've got Anna was just we feel we got DD Hilliard sitting around in the studio chewing her nails I think or whatever I don't know I'm just casting aspersions here we're gonna go we're gonna play a little song on one of those little humorous little vignette things that I've got just at the top of it we're just past the top of the hour it's just gone two minutes past but we're gonna do that and then we're gonna be joined by DD in hour two hang on gotta just check my buttons you see it's a good job at least I'm getting used to this here's a little song from Phil Zimmerman I played this a few months ago I quite like it's all about chemtrails and stuff like that it's a bit of a rocker here we go

1:01:23ksam I Delight in the sky, Delight in the sky, Chemical Shots, It's a new world all over, It's real and say it lies, Don't you remember when you were high? Delight, Delight, Delight, Delight, Delight in the sky, Chemical Shots, I saw it on the internet, And now, especially with my mind, Did you wriggle when you're high? Delight in the sky,

1:02:24They think we're all zombies, Look onto my sheet, I've did to tap with thee, All along my kevin' Delight in the sky, Chemical Shots, Rating up on you and I, Don't you remember when you were high? Da da da raw manifits And the Bible has been rolled down

1:03:29Da da da raw manifits Everyone romanticizes the 1960s workplace The suits, the martinis, the single income households But let's be brutally honest as tomorrow, 99% of you would not survive a week. Let's dive into what having a career was like in the 1960s. We will start with the women. Forget equal opportunity. In the early 60s you'd open the newspaper and job listings were literally segregated by gender. Help wanted male and help wanted female. Best case scenario? You're a secretary, a teacher or a nurse. Want to be a flight attendant? You had to be single under a certain weight and they literally weight you before shifts. Oh, and if you got married or pregnant, you were fired. It was called the marriage bar and yes it was entirely legal until the late 60s and 70s.

1:04:29You weren't a colleague, you were office decor. But the guys had it made right? Sure, if you loved dying of a stress-induced heart attack at 48, men in the 60s were trapped in the cult of the company man. You didn't have a work-life balance. You had a company that owned you. You were the sole breadwinner carrying the financial weight of an entire family with zero societal permission to show stress or emotion. You gave a corporation 40 years of your life, missed your kids growing up, and they gave you a gold watch before you dropped dead at your desk. But here is the part that's going to make people mad. Despite the rampant sexism, the chain smoking and the soul crushing conformity, a 25-year-old guy working in a factory or an entry-level office job in 1965 could actually afford to buy a house, a car, and support a family on one single paycheck. Yes, seems like these days are long gone.

1:05:30So I have a question for you all. Would you trade the human rights, the HR departments, and the remote work we have today to go back to the 1960s just so you could actually afford to live? I might do. I don't know. What's a paycheck, anyway? I can't remember what those things are. Anybody familiar with the paycheck? You get one of those, Eric? Well, there's Johnny Paycheck. We did a lovely song called You Can Take That Job and Shove It. Oh, I remember that. Johnny Paycheck? I do. Yes. I kind of remember this. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah. So anyway, that was the 1960s, everybody. I know my dad used to come home and he was the sole wage winner. That was good. He was very similar in England, not exactly the same as it was in America. I do remember my parents though drinking martinis. So that was a bit beyond us. Did your parents drink martinis, Eric? No. Well, my mum wasn't, but my dad was T-Total, so no, he never never. Runs? No way was he having a martini. No. Yes.

1:06:31No. No, he was T-Total and his father was T-Total because his father's beaten up by his father, who'd been my grandfather, a great grandfather, rather, who had a drink problem. And he had such a terrible childhood that he signed the drinking pledge. That's what they did those days, saying that they would never drink alcohol. And because of that, my dad never drank alcohol. And because of that, I've never really drunk alcohol. As such, I do. And that's why you are the sharp-minded young man that you are today. Oh, yes. Hansa-san. Oh, well, all good stuff. Anyway, I don't have a martini in front of me, although it sort of tempts me. It's just such a nice word, isn't it? Anyway, moving on to our two, our DD Hilliard is here with us in the studio. DD, hi. Good evening. Welcome to the show. Hello, Paul. Thank you for having me. No, it's great. It's great to have you. Did you catch much of an original spot? Just for one. I just caught the end. I thought, I wish we could stay on together because I get inspired by things she says.

1:07:36She's still here. I could bring her back on. But let's give you a few. Oh, yeah, please. She's probably got a cocoa making right now. I think that's what's probably going on. She's got lots of things to say. And I think it's all good. I mean, that's the beauty, I think. I mean, obviously, she's talked about all sorts of things she does. But on the cabby side, I love it. We've got so many different types of people. So from her, you know, with her, yeah, stick hell, all of the logical, natural thing elements, then there's us, the fighters, the wagon type, and they're the ones that build, you know, the ones with the Yang energies to go. Yeah, the fighters are with the Yang and the and the builders. I don't know. I don't know how to sum it all up. Yeah, you're breaking up a little bit. We've got a little bit of a for a space of a dodgy connection. We've got a bit of lag. Can you hear me in real time, DD?

1:08:37I can hear you. Yeah. And way out on the contour, and it's not great. Not great here, which I quite like because it means they can't do things. Yes. Okay. Well, I think we'll bumble through with the whole thing. Anyway, cabby, what is it? I keep mentioning it. Mark Biford, everybody knows him. Mark the Bola Hat farmer. I know he's thick as thieves with you a lot. And he keeps sending me little snippets and this, that and the other. And we had a little chat, didn't we earlier in the week? But and no doubt you've pitched this 10,000 million times already. But but what is cabby? What is it? Actually, I haven't because really I just go to the meetings. I go to where the community are. And I just sort of help. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so I, you know, I don't go out a lot. We don't go out a bank. We're not drum beaters. But you know, the other day I was thinking, because of all the things we offer a community, I suddenly realized it is a bit like having a bit of, you know,

1:09:40I don't know the gift. And I feel that all the people that have been exposed when you look at Piddington and places like that, that I've, you know, shout no voice into the darkness. Nobody's listening except the public. Nobody of power is going to their rescue or offering solutions. And they're logically trying to find a way through. And in that process, they're going, right, we're putting a flag in the ground and saying, we're staking a claim to the land that we do not want to be part of this system. It doesn't allow us to have our voice. So I feel that all the cabbie members already know about what cabbie can give as a community, or the power that returns to you rightfully, lawfully. Yes. Is that gift? And it's such a shame when it's as if say, for example, you're all in the desert going over the sand dunes and you're the ones I feel like us and cabbie with ones that have got that path that goes over to the sea. You know, we've, we've been lucky to find that and we should go and tell the others.

1:10:41And, you know, but we never get the time to go and tell others. So it's just who overstumbles across that, really. And I always thank the person who introduced me to it because it has been something I've come up in the first year. I was taking apart saying this can't be this is no way could this be a foundation that's correct. Otherwise, people would have done it. It's a bit like I suppose the person who invent the next best thing. They think no, it's so obvious somebody would have done this before. It can't work. And I think that's that's the amazing thing about it. It is a great gift because it, it's down to the community assembly of the British Isles, although it is international. So what the community assemblies of the world as well. And we've recently affiliated with the World Council for Health. So we're in 35 other countries, right as a potential reach for people who want to go and create their cabbie groups. Pretty much the same philosophy is applicable around the world.

1:11:42And that is that natural law came before all of our civil laws. Yes. Whatever country you're in, we all lived by natural law, which is very simple. And it's equity. It really is the sort of justice you'd have had at home. Good parents. But it sit you down and say, right, now let me hear what everybody's got to say. And I will look at it and I need the difference with cabbiers. We've got a jury system and always has been that way because Cornwall never signed up to being under British King ever in its history. And country and that system that they adjudicated always was jury. That's an ancient line that we can bring in to me. In a TZ here. We're just picking up a voice in the background that D. And you're breaking up a little jurisdiction of 300.

1:12:42100 or more under the one community banner of cabbier can lawful. Already, but if they wanted to have a jury system, they technically wouldn't have the officers trained the the constables of the court. The various people you need the court. You could go out and get a jury between 13 and 21 from outside the area. So somebody independent to come in adjudicate. And then you'd have various officers in that court to make sure that things were presented carefully. And clearly in the case of Pittington, the council or government want to come and be represented. They wouldn't want to step into that court because it is a quarter of the people. This whole thing about courts. So it is a matter of the representation of that other argument, IE the government would make clear. Don't worry, we're overlapping each other a little bit at the moment, D.D.

1:13:44just due to the delights of the internet. It's nothing for you to be sorry about. It's just one of these situations that we sort of come in and out of phase. Are we back in time again now? I think we are. Should reboot it. You should reboot it. I heard in the background. Okay. I'll tell you what, is it easier for you to call in by WhatsApp? You might get about it. We might get about a signal that can bring you in that way. Or I can do it another time. I mean, I didn't know how much this is going to work either because it's not looking good tonight. The bars out here are good. You need more bars. Maybe if I just say little bits. Yeah, maybe. Well, maybe it's these. It's not bad. We need more bars that way. We need all the pubs back. We need all the pubs back. You could always try. I think we've just connected on WhatsApp.

1:14:45I'm geared up for this. If you call me on WhatsApp, it'll probably, it might actually be a better audio signal. That's all you really need. I think it's probably because we're in the studio. Do you want to try it that way? And this is called the vagaries of the internet, everybody. I'm sure you're all familiar with it. It's just a bit of a bummer when it happens during the show. Yes. What do I say next? What do I say next? What do I say next? And now we'll take a short look at it. We'll talk about it. We'll play some music and show you these pictures of these kids. Do you remember the potter's wheel? I'm old enough to remember that. I used to show the potter's wheel. But anything went wrong. So, I mean, I used to find the flower potman an intellectual challenge. So he'd be sitting there and go, whoa, dog, dog, dog, dog, dog, dog, dog, dog,

1:15:46and suddenly, something to break down. And I show you the potter's wheel every time. Yeah. Yeah. Not many people remember that. Anna Isabell is sportingly saying that she's still around, which is wonderful. I've just acknowledged. Oh, excellent. Yeah. So we can always bring about that. Thank you, Anna. I want to try and give Dee a chance to resolve things. So I'm very interested here. What she's got to say. Let's just have a look. Has she disappeared off the... No, I think she probably has. Yeah. Oh, there we go. Oh, well, that's life, isn't it? Yeah. It's strange. The internet's been around how many years now? 20, 30 years. Oh, but at least three weeks. Yes. Yeah. And it was still getting these breakdowns. It should be a thing of the past, shouldn't it? Well, you know, sometimes it just happens, doesn't it? It just happens.

1:16:46I could always go to the song while we wait. It could do, can we? Yeah, well, it's just that she can... I'm not talking about more shade. Well, we can't have enough shade talk. And of course, the ongoing shed stories are always jolly good. So if you're just tuned in, everybody, we're just having a little bit of a cuffuffle connecting with our guest. That DD Hilliard, but I'm very keen to hear what she's got to say. I didn't realise she was in. Well, Cappy is... Yeah. Sorry. No, you speak, please. I was going to say Cappy is an excellent website. It's worth going on it. So that's what we're all going to say. Go on, read out the URL. Are you looking at it right now? What is the URL? No, I'm not actually... Sorry. You're a blacking, Eric. You are blacking, yes. I'm winging it. I'm winging it. I've got it... I've got it actually open here, but I've got about 8,000 tabs open. I just wanted to sort of read it out to everybody. It is interesting because I've mentioned here a couple of times, and some of you will have heard this, that Mark brought this to my attention. Not being in the possession of a motor vehicle myself at the moment or using one all the time.

1:17:50I don't really need this service, but apparently for... I think it's approximately 300 pounds per annum. You are insured to drive any vehicle that you get in, as long as you have the permission of the owner to drive it. So it covers you under a wide array of circumstances. This is me just blacking and making it up. I don't know whether this is strictly the case. And I was just hoping that DD might be able... Okay, so at least I can give you the URL for it. It's ca-hyphen-british-isles.com. Ca-in fact, I'll copy and paste it into all the... All the chats. If you've just tuned in, we're just trying to bring our guest on. But DD is having a bit of a problem. Let me just see if she's back in the studio. Not yet. Is the thing. So we could talk about Sheds for a bit, Eric. If you want to talk about Sheds. Yes, but what we could do, the trouble is that he was insomnia, doesn't it? It's a bit like train spotty. Yeah, it's a bit like that. Sorry, I don't know if he's whittling in. But... Well, I mean, I'm obviously...

1:18:51This word, the cathart... You know, the cathart of the cathars. I'm assuming that's probably the root of cathartic. I wonder if it is, you know what I mean? The cathartic event, maybe because they got wiped out. I don't know. The cathartic, that is interesting. Okay, hang on, here we go, just a minute. You got it, okay. Right. We might have... Did he have the problem? Did he have the problem? Oh, she was momentarily. I think she is. Did he, are you there? Can you hear us? I ought to be able to hear you. This is ridiculous. Co-ay. And what's going on? Co-ay. Uh-huh. All right, well, it says that we're connected, but for some reason I haven't got any sound. And I just did a test on this earlier today. Oh, hang on. It's all going... Sorry, I didn't mean to talk across you, but is she using Firefox?

1:19:51I don't know. That was the problem the other week. If she is using Firefox, that could be the problem. So if she changes to a Chrome or... Could be, but she's... Yeah, I'm just trying to bring her in by WhatsApp over a phone, I think. I don't think it's a matter of that. Let me just check things. Sorry about this, everybody. This is just one of these things. Two weeks in a row. We've had a bit of stuff. I'm with all these jolly top guests, and it's a bit of a pain in the old bum hole. Something like that, isn't it? Yeah. So the call ended. What about Telegram? Would that bring her in easier? Yeah, Telegram's always top. I'm saying it on air, it makes me ill. Yeah, that's not... But as I say, Isabelle was very, very interesting. Thank you very much for an excellent talk there, brilliant. And your next guest at 10 o'clock will be Dr. Miles Fleawood.

1:20:55It will be a happy, doesn't that, technical issues as well. Have you noticed how chilled I am? I don't know why I'm so chilled at the moment. Probably driving all the listeners crazy. Sorry about this, everybody. But don't tell anybody, but strictly between you and I, and about a couple of thousand audience. Who uses an iPad, an Apple iPad? Excuse me, I'm just spitting those words out. I've got an iPad as well. That's a lot of capital. Yeah, I think... Okay, hang on. You got it? Well, she uses Telegram, a nice aspect. We could route her through there, I was wondering. There we go, I've just sent her my Telegram do-dads now. We might have a bit of... Oh, yeah. We might get through. I think it might all work out great now. Let me just check this. Sorry about this, you should say this is part of the technical fund when you're sort of using a mixroom, patching everybody in all over the place.

1:21:58Yeah, but that's looking good, so I think that's going to work. So I'm just waiting for the call from DD. So we should be able to bring her in. We've only lost about five or six minutes really, and we did learn a little bit about Sheds, didn't we? Not a great deal. That's right. If we offer to our cute Kampersam, which ones or something like that, or, can we come on, come on, come on. Would she come on, I think? Or... I'm only joking. Yeah, anyway. Just again, I also want to thank Maria, who's probably laughing her socks off right now. She... Maria's come to my aid in some way. And let's bring Anna back in. I'll bring Anna back on. Where is she? She's just there. Oh. Anna, you're on the... I think you're on the stage. How did you get on there? It's amazing. I never went off. I didn't dare... Didn't you? Did I never kick you off? Was I very polite and left you lurking in the studio?

1:22:58It did. And I thought, I dare to leave in case I make a sound, and, you know, upset things whilst Dee Dee's on. And... I think happens. Yeah, I know. She came on, and then she's... She's out, obviously, in the hinterlands, and something. They've only got a few bars around there, which, of course, is not very good for lubrication purposes, but, obviously, she meant internet connectivity. I mean, it's just a bit rough and rough, and I'm not sure if she's... She's a little bit rough and runny, but... If she does call through and come to me in here and use intelligence, here we go. Can you hear that? Here we go. Yes. We have liftoff. Dee Dee, are you there? I can't believe it. This day and age. Yeah, but this works. You're clear as a bell, you see. It's a good job. I've got a few magic things at my sleeve. Anna Isabelle was so concerned that she couldn't take herself away and go and get Coco. So she's in the studio, and she can hear you as well. We're just mixed through, even though you can't see anybody. Yeah. Great, lovely, lovely. What have you been talking about then? We were talking about you and why you live in such a silly place

1:23:59and why you haven't got enough bars and everything, and all the conversation going on and rebooting it. We were just basically, because you weren't here, we were talking about you. That's what you're doing these situations. Oh, right. Yeah. Nice, that's nice. Nice, isn't it? Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Very, very good. Let's talk about Maria. I don't know why she's not on the show ever, because she is such a little fixer. She's so smart to glue. She's a glue in my face. She is amazing. She's come into my life whether I like to, or not, I'm saying this for her benefit, because I know she'll be tuning in. She sent me some messages today saying, I can't wait to listen to the show. It's absolutely fantastic. And she's just bossing me around. I've got a blizzard of contacts and people to actually get on the show and they're spread all over the place. And really, I'm just in need of psychiatric help, because I go, where is that blizzard? They're coming in by email, WhatsApp, Telegram, all over the place. We're going to know where everybody is. But no, she's fantastic. Yeah, she's brilliant. Yeah, she's really good. But you know what? I think I think I was a ton of, if you got on the show, you would inspire people who have the same little potential gifts

1:25:03of meeting lots of people and pulling it together. There's lots of women in the world that do that. I know men or two, but women are great at that. Oh, they are. I took my hat. Yeah, they are. Yeah, you are. You're much better at it than we are, because I think you can sort of, it's all part of the way that you work and operate. You're basically much more sociable animals than blocs. We are actually quite happy to go and sit in the shed and try and design the next hovercraft or whatever it is. And just be left alone and just go, oh, just leave him. He's just, we are. We're like bears in cage. We're really happy. Look at her last meeting. She did actually have a little bit of a problem. For the women to come along together to find a way in which we can support men more, because we're seeing so many more men step into this arena of not just talking about things, but actually creating change, actually doing proper logical, strategic thinking, very good arguments, not just, you know, moaning about things,

1:26:05actually finding solutions. And she said, you know, it's a wonderful time to be alongside men at this time, because they, you know, and I think it has been tough. I mean, I'm biased, I grew up with four brothers, but I do think that men have had a really tough time over the years of, you know, what can they say, what can't they say, what's their role, can they open a door to, they not open a door, all of this. And I think the synergy that she was promoting, you know, of the balance of man and woman at the moment is great. I don't think there's ever been like this. And that little ditty that you had when I could hear about 60s man, with the breadwinner and having a hard time. And you know, all of that, I mean, we look back at that period of time, sort of between 70s and probably the only like sort of 60s to 90s that life was reasonably okay for people. And in that family life seemed to be buoyant and fruitful and have a lot of joy.

1:27:05And yet, you wouldn't have, if you asked anybody at the time, they wouldn't have expressed it like that. But in comparison with what we've got now, which is, what word should I use, retarded? I mean, it just is. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's unhappy. People are demoralized, you see, and they're quiet. And silo. Yeah. And when I go round to these talks, you know, for Kaby around in the countryside, whether it's some or winter, as you come home, along the little interconnecting roads through the countryside, lovely, fine, you don't expect much. But as you get to towns, you think, although people have life going on in here, it's a Friday night or whatever. Well, weekends, yes. But if you go on the weekday, you just go past houses and houses, empty restaurants and bars. Yeah. And you can see where there's lights on in all rooms. And you can see in, not that I'm a butcher like that, but you can see one person in each room with a screen. You can see that glow. And it's as if the, all do a family, one's watching TV, two are on the different computers.

1:28:10And it's, yeah, it's a really weird time. But what I'm saying about Maria is she is bringing people together. And it's the type of men and women who are really caring about society and where we're going. And I just love it. Whatever I see, whenever she gets groups together and people together, I can see a magic happening like never before, never before, as it been like this, where people are not afraid. They're taking back their powers. It's a remembering. And that's what I say about Kaby. That is a remembering. Obviously, it's using its own history of Cornwall. But it's applying it to the rest of England because, well, the rest of the country, because ancient rights, for example, I think I talked to you the other day, we've all got the ancient custom of being able to shape our environment very topical right now, with five G's, date centers, all that. And when you say that to the council, where are you addressing this, keeping this right?

1:29:10They say, well, we do. It's in the local plan. We, yes, we know that ancient custom has to stay. You know, it's all acknowledged. We've got a local plan. That's the opportunity to shape your future. Well, we know all these other things come in after local plans have been created, the five G towers, or the date they haven't been factored ten years ago. That's if they've got a local plan. But anyway, it's just knowing that you can do that and how you do it. I mean, through Maria, I've met people like the lady in Devon, who shows how councils don't have mandates, if they bluff and pretend. Yeah. And then the Reverend, I forgot his name now. Oh, anyway, another guy who's an engineer by profession like Solutions, he's also Reverend and he teaches you how to fight the councils with legislation, because invariably they haven't done their work correctly. And you can just stop it just as you would in a court case. You can stop things.

1:30:10So it's all quite wonderful. People coming together. We are many. And that's the beauty of it, you know, Paul. Yes. The many, the many brains coming together with logic, with information. It's, you know, I wouldn't want to be a government up against the people when they're thinking. Well, of course, the whole purpose, the whole purpose of the education system is to make sure that you can't do any of that original thinking as they can bring about. I mean, the whole thing with course, it's been a theme round here on the show, for the last couple of weeks, actually, longer. We had a guy called Mike Burke on a few weeks ago, who was absolutely brilliant in terms of his knowledge with regards to things of the acts of settlement, magnet, etc., etc. I know whenever anybody says magnet, everyone goes, you're not, whatever. But it's a key pivotal sort of plank of things. And yet these, you know, when you were, I think we're in a restoration process. You're talking a remembering. It's the same thing that we don't actually have to create anything new.

1:31:11But we do have to restore all these phenomenal tools that were discovered through hard one experience by our forefather, doesn't reapply them. And we've got, you know, just this process is like recognizing that we've got a lot of gear. But it's not going to make any use if we don't pick it up and use it. It's got to be used. There's also, there's another, there's another chap round here, does a show on Fridays. That's tomorrow. I'm usually on, but I won't be on tomorrow with him called Robin Hood. Robin tunnels, you know, Robin, and he just tunnels into the court structures in excessive detail. It's not excessive. It's required, you know, wading through this linguistic barrage of gibberish that they come up with. And gets nowhere though. And gets nowhere because they won't listen to keep moving gold posts. So that's the irony that you can do all this. You can have this knowledge. So for me, the ultimate thing is equity. If you can bring every argument into equity, that stuff's legislation, which we know is pitted.

1:32:14But two things you've got to understand, I mean, the poor people of the world have just as I think, as Anna was saying, we're very trusting. We've all, especially in the West, we've always trusted. We haven't had reason, apparently, to challenge interests and where something's originating from. Why would this be happening? So even the, you know, more recently, things big things have happened and people thought, no, why wouldn't the government wouldn't want to hurt us or do this to us? They're always in our best interest. So hence we've all moved into that nanny state. And we've just allowed the slide, especially since Blair times of legislation being the tool that slowly, a bit like one of those Robin Hood films, where the character that advises the king is sitting on his shoulder with this sort of all creepy horror. The vulture on his shoulder. Yes. With friend, with friend into him, telling him, almost, almost ensnaring him. And so that's what we've got. That's what legislation is.

1:33:14If people could just see it as that, as that cartoon character, if they could see it, that it's being used to ensnare, trap and control us. It's not for good. It's not for ultimate interests of humanity. It's almost, I would say, bordering on something manic. So if you take something back to, it's distillate back to its basics. That is equity where people would look at, what's the fairness of this? Not whether or not you should wear a blue hat on a Friday night. It's, what is the, where is the harm being caused here? What is the intention? The whole thing you'd look at in a proper logical way. You wouldn't wait for legislation to, it's a bit like somebody like judges who say they'd like to rule like this, but they can't because of legislation. So people's own moral code and the obvious right and wrong is not being adjudicated.

1:34:18It's being legislated in which case it's a different response and different answer. Yes. Quite a part of the fact that you've got a lot of people who don't even know how to manage things. But yeah, so nobody, I don't think anybody's got faith in the justice system. And we also don't feel that our country, the first rule of government, is to protect its people. You know, that's not me. It's going to be a good sense of humour. It's good. It's the only thing that keeps us going round here. Yes, let's say that again. So the primary duty of the government is to care for the welfare of the people. It's first duty. It's first primary duty. Yes. Exactly. And this is quite shocking. Now, you get people turn and say, well, how could it be any different? You know, we need the money, we need this, we need whatever. And it's like, oh my god, this is where you need the true, what would you call them? The billionaires who've got a heart. They're out there. They are out there. I've just often felt, Dee Dee, that they are hamstrung to some degree.

1:35:22Yes. In the sense that if they step out of the club, they'll get hampered literally. I mean, you know, you only have to look at history. And I think, you know, it's just been a long process that they've entered into of subduing our curiosity for one of the better. Right. And people just don't ask questions because why would they, if they've been to school, doesn't teach you to question things with an open heart and mind? It teaches you to absorb the status quo. And this is it. And you're going to have a career, Johnny. And so are you, Janet? Actually, more than that now, if you really knew what was going on, I mean, I didn't know, again, through community being all over the place. I hear a lot of stories from inner cities as well. And I'm hearing about biometric data for them to have their school lunches. Oh, yes. I think the thing about them, one school, and I'm going to say it, it's in Lambert. They are being told in the class, you look straight ahead at the teacher. If you're found to be looking left or right, there'll be a detention. What? Can you believe that?

1:36:23Can if I didn't trust the person who told me directly that this was what had been told to her children, I would not believe that. That's how, that's outrageous. Although we, there's a guy called Andy up in the Northeast who is doing a lot of work trying to help parents with the whole of the monitoring systems through the community. The monitoring systems through the 5G masks around schools and everything. He was telling us that I think there's one where when the kids are the children, I hate using the word kids and I just did their goats, right? When the children arrive at school, they're all photographed with Apple iPads and everything every day. I mean, this is nuts. I mean, have they banned P shooters so that you can fire ink, sod and bits of blotting paper at the neck of the teacher? I mean, I think that that should still be allowed because I think right now is the time to actually, you know, and get him on the back of it. Who did that? Was that you, some kids? That's what we need. Yeah, we need to bring all that stuff back. It's great. Healthy. Healthy disrespect. That's how I was raised. Healthy disregard. No, it's questioning.

1:37:23That's the thing. We're just allowed to ask questions. In my family, we're encouraged to ask questions and always ask questions and always stand up for what's right. And if you don't want to do it because it's too inconvenient for you, think of the poor little person behind you who possibly could get really hammered by it. Yes. You can survive it. You could survive that position because you're tough, but the poor little person behind you might not be able to even initiate their position and would be hammered. So think of them. And that's how we were raised. And, and you know, that's why I do things. I'm actually what I do. And I know my brothers do things in their own way for they're not they're not. You might think I'm political. I'm not, but they're not so committed on a big level of what's going on, but they do look at what's right and wrong and help people in lots of situations. They're very, very successful. But yeah, it's it's some. It's moral code, moral values and a lot of people have got them. They still have them. And it's just how can you find a place to accommodate that for them?

1:38:26But they are. They're beginning to wrap turn. I mean, we did this thing recently. I just put out a letter that people could use. About biometric data that's been taken on you in the supermarkets. And one of our members obviously is Tess Laurie from the World Council. She saw that little link to go and have a look at that letter because we know not everybody's got the same appetite for. Challenge. So I thought there's, you know, grandmas or people who've got scared of their jobs being lost if they went up against the council or whatever. So let's all do it. We can all drop a letter into the supermarkets saying how we object about the way we're being photographed and videoed all the every step and calling into our rights, you know. And Tess put that on her sub stack and she can see how many people have opened it. And that went to 18,000 people opened it and I know lots of people used it because it came back to me. A lot of many different routes, you know, people's judo school and things they were talking about it.

1:39:30And it's just funny how one little thing can be so helpful to people feeling like they're going, yeah, take that, you know, kicking back a little bit. Yes. I think that's how we've got to do it. Whatever level of power we want to take, we must work together to do that. No matter who we are, we work as a group and we find ways that suit us to fit that number because we are many and they are few. And just like that meme, I always love that meme whether there's a sea saw and the one man in the bowler hat, you know, the lectern dictating to people, there's all now. And all the many are stood on that bottom part of the ship. Yeah, another one. Yeah, keeping him up there. It's like, well, we just got to step off, guys. All of us, you just got to step off. It's, I mean, it's a lovely simple sentence to say. And yet, my mind is drawn to the sheer scale of it. It's, it's, it's in the sense, I don't mean in terms of, I mean, I do think in terms of numbers because if people are not over here yet,

1:40:34I'd like to think that they're on their way here. So that's a thing, that's just a thing that I say to myself, everybody's on their way here. They just don't know it yet. Yeah. And it's finding these ways to get through. I mean, do you think we're involved in a process of, I know this is no fashion word, but do you think we're involved in a process of education? Are we seeking to educate our fellow men and women? Is that what we're seeking to do? You know, I think, you know what I think it's a bit like somebody telling you there's a great organ in this, you know, by your, your laptop at this price somewhere. I think it's just a bit of information, Chair. It's not a big leap to be educated on it because I could never follow what Robin Hood does. That's so detailed and so mind-boggling. And you've got to be in it in most and almost you can't convert back, you know, to the, Oh, I think I know I have discussions with him about this and there'll be more to go on. I mean, I'm sort of a bit of a gannick. I'll just ever go at anything really, but I take your point. I think it's how to transmit things. How do you take a complicated idea and boil it down literally to the fag-package presentation so that the man in the book looks at you guys.

1:41:38Oh, I got that now. That's that's what we're after. Okay, so the two things, he's his real life experience. Okay, because we've all gone up in different ways against the council to argue is council tax lawful? Is it fraudulently charged? Well, for us, yes. And we argue it by saying show us the instrument two things happen. Right, we say show us the instrument on which you rely to make this charge on us. And they keep quoting the 1992 local finance act. No, it doesn't say that. It doesn't say that at all. And I think Robin, all people have taken that part. But we stand in our power and that and we insist and we say, we say again, please show us. And then they say we're not going to talk to you anymore. And all they'll turn it as they did in my case, I'll say, well, oh, you must be one of those straw man people. People of the land people of the land. Thank you. Oh, that's nice. You mean a piece of. Anyway, and well, the way the way this happens is you are you vote.

1:42:39You vote for a government. The government confers powers on us to make those charges to you. Okay, well, there's a presumption. You presume I vote. I've taken myself off the electoral register and lots of people say that they're not being allowed to now. But the very fact that you've made that representation three times, that's the magic. You write to them three times and you keep a copy. I always provide a certificate posting so that I can prove it was. Send and also you can see when they've opened the emails, you can do the tick returns. Yes, you've requested it. So they have to do it. And if they don't, that's up to them because you've expressed your position. Then so that takes you out of that argument. They never can come back to you on that. And then finally, we have they will say that we're not going to talk to any more than because you know, we're not showing the interest because you're asking something to blah, blah. So we say well, then therefore we are in dispute at this point, which means no court can take that in when you're in dispute about the.

1:43:42The validity. So we also know that the the the the orders the warrants they put out to people are not valid. So we've got all of those systems of just sending everything away. So so the electoral register is important. And of course we know that's important to them because they're suddenly now allowing 16 year olds to register a vote. Yes, because they're mature enough to vote, but they're not the number to do other things, but they can certainly vote. They can't vote 16, but they can register. And that's the thing. So they're doing that because they know they need the numbers to get their numbers up. So we take us off of that. We we don't pay the tax. We try to offer to pay for the services we use because we are clean hands. And they won't divide your bill accordingly. We do all of these sorts of things. And ultimately we do not engage in courts of law with them. But if we have to, we're going to look for equity because you won't get it through the normal court.

1:44:43So that's how we get we also have our trust as well. Everybody has that and we we empower people on. And we've got standard letters. We've got all that sort of way of showing the community how they can stand in their power. And then obviously the big, big thing is when you've got the numbers, you've got jurisdiction. So then you can have any case put into your court and adjudicated by your people. And then the cases when we put those through, we've had it reported and recorded back into the Westminster judicial system. And we've had a reflection of what that decision is enacted in one case. One got a child back, social services were sacked and a counsellor resigned for corruption on a second case. So all of these things have worked for us. So to me, that's quite simple. We've got 80 year olds doing it. We've got, you know, 20 year olds. People understand because we do it together in a community. We work together.

1:45:43So we'll have that will be discussed in your community. Your facilitators will help you along with it. Anything you need. And that's just like you would in proper community or family where people help each other. And that's what we find. We're finding a lot of erudite people coming in now with a lot of skills, a lot of ability to help. We're looking at everything from people who grow food to health hubs, everything. We're really, really looking alternative for people because not everybody wants to rattle with 12 tablets a day. So, you know, how do you get access to a functional medicine? How do you? They won't give you that. So hopefully we'll have these sorts of centres, certainly advice people. We've got people around who will donate their time free to help people in the community. So it's lovely. It sounds it. I mean, it just sounds fantastic. It sounds as though all these little steps that are incrementally just moving people in the right direction. Something to that effect. And what you'll find also, what's interesting is,

1:46:46it's a bit of a slog sometimes, but most of all, I've got to say, when it starts to, the penny is dropping and the community are getting happy. You can feel it. It's a bit like when you hear kids, the excitement and kids when they've got some new toy, or they're going to do something, they're off on a trip and they're all excited. You can feel it. And one guy that locks up for, well, before we got so big in one area, we had to move to another space. We would just use this old library. And he was one of the custodians. And he was a Buddhist and really Zen and lovely and calm. And you could see him almost floating. You know, he's so, I think, oh, no, I'm always coming in and mad Russian. And I'm just, I must have done. And he's floating. Is he just floating through the room? Great. Love it. Yeah. And I come rushing down the path and all that. I'm sorry, I can't wait to get this chair out. And I think, oh, I'm really upsetting his little nice piece here. Anyway, he comes to lock up at the end of one of our meetings. And he said he could feel the energy as he came down the path. I mean, that's something. That's wonderful. He could actually feel it that people were so, and I love that.

1:47:47That is an indication. And they do. They go out. Oh, everybody gets empowered by each other. There's something about being in each other's company. They do say your bio fields when they mesh and you're all on the same page of trying to make something better. Because that's the intention. You're all there together to try and create a better world. Something happens and you can see it and it's quite infectious. And people go out really happy. You can see them lifted. And I'm not one of these who can see energies, but the other people who can see it, you know. When did when did cabbie stars do you know how long has it been around? 2019 2019. And it was attacked. It was attacked. It went really big. And it was attacked internally, which is what they're doing. And a lot of these groups as infiltrators. And you don't say I'm familiar with that. And from personal experience, from a long time back. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Not with something like this, but with projects that was involved with 25, 30 years ago. Yeah. So you suddenly go, oh, right. That's why that guy was doing all that kind of stuff.

1:48:48And when you're green, Yeah, as I was, it's just like, it's a bit of a shock. You're, oh, some people are ben. I mean, you hear about it in books and then you actually got them around you. And you go, why? I mean, that's a, you're, why are you doing that? It's just so silly. But I mean, you know, they are that way. They exist. I don't know what's going on that people have somehow we seem to have missed it this time because it's, they tried it, but we've got a couple of us quivers. A couple of arrows in our, or arrows in our pivot. And really, that would be we've got something called the Aurora group network, which is, I mean, in this time, and I've got to say, I believe it, and I didn't use to. But these people can, they've got, they can see energy, they can do things. They go out of body, they travel the world, they can, they know who's who. They know what energies we've got. They know when there's trouble being waded on us. In fact, at the Mycelium, somebody saw that we'd had satanic attack on the black magic done on the Mycelium group.

1:49:50Right. And they cleansed it overnight. They cleansed it. And I didn't know that. I just felt it was really weird. And I wanted my back to the wall in the place and I worked it out. Well, and I said, I'm not going back the next day and all these people did their work on it overnight. They could see it quickly. And it was lovely. The next day was a boom. So, it was so interesting, because this word, you know, satanic keeps coming up more and more frequently over the last few months around conversations here. And, you know, I think I understand in its original meaning, it means an adversary of God. That's really what it means. A shaytan is where it comes from. Well, okay. You can look at it. It's actually order of things, yeah, a disturbing force. Yes. And it's almost like that as I go back to that little old Lord of the Rings where we are enchanted, or that that King was enchanted, it is like some energies coming around us and legislation as part of that, being used to keep wrapping the thing around us and around us until we can hardly breathe. And we're just half, half functioning.

1:50:50Well, not anymore. There's so many that are out of that. And there's nothing that could be done no matter what they throw at them. They're rising out of it. So, we do have those people that protect the group. We've got the people who see that. And there's always going to be descent and the disarmament whether it's intended or not. That's humanity, you know, human nature. But I think because it's so flatline, Kaby is so flat, there's no hierarchy. No hierarchy. You'd have facilitators to start things. And they will get as much information because they're a little bit more, jumping at the bit to want to get things going. Yes. And they can help that. But that's only like being a big sister that helps the little sibling with what they need to do. And then the rest start firing. And each group has their interest, whatever it is that they want to do. Everybody's different. Every group is different. Every need is different. So it's just down to how you all mesh together and and hide off into little interest groups. And of course that makes us very impenetrable. As a group, I mean, it's 9 and 1,500 people in a minute.

1:51:52So yeah, it's and that's just in. That's a goodly size. That's a goodly size, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. So there's usually a group somewhere nearby. Or if people join when they join on the web, they will be told what the nearest group is and who will contact them. Or if they can tick the box they want to be a facilitator, we'll train them up, show them all the stuff. They've got a special access to getting information and documents. And it's very, it's a really nice thing. You know, you only, I don't remember how many groups I've got now, but it's in the hundreds. And it's ideal if they were broken down into smaller groups, but they tend to want to stay as they grow big. They just bounce off each other. And like in class, class and Brits, about 60 people now, 65. And that's quite a big group to manage. That's why we had to keep moving. But yeah, I think it's going to happen everywhere. And when people understand what it can do for them in terms of getting their voices heard.

1:52:57And turning tables, really, because at the end of the day, you know, that expression they work for you. Well, we don't see that doing. But this is how you can. No, we don't actually. It's funny you should point that out. No, no, no, we don't see that. They're working for another master. They're working for another. I've mentioned it a few times. I sit around on some of these live newscast things on YouTube on a morning, because I'm having my coffee and stuff when I'm setting the day up. And I was talking to Eric about it pretty sure earlier in the afternoon. The thing that's really fascinating is the actual chat. Some of them are absolutely colossal. You can barely read it. But you're kind of getting a feeling for the tone and the idea that the government is not our friend. I'm phrasing it very gently. They phrase it much more. It is just increasing in speed and coverage amongst people. Everybody's going, but they're organizing all this going, great. Now that sod ascent wasn't coming out of people's mouths five and six years ago. No, it wasn't. It just wasn't. Yeah. No, that's the truth. That is what's so lovely.

1:53:57Everybody's seeing it. But obviously then there's a panic for some of what you're placing with. What can we have? Well, this is it. You know, it's a big strategy. It's a big thought. It's a big game. And we see devolution. We know what that's about. I know that I know a lot of Welsh that were no comery. And they said they wanted to stay part of United Britain because they say that they know the Soros ambition that, you know, the Caballis of the world is to hide us off into the EU into one great big machine. Yeah, well, we're not having any of that. Thanks very much for the invite, but no, thanks. See you later. Here's your coat. Yeah, I think we're going to have to go back to the first one. Right. We wouldn't do it once. And so now they're finding another way. It's almost like that horrible little. Kid in the class that wants to go and steal something is going to find some way. I've taken up thing. He's going to keep coming back. Try and get whatever it is who wants. Yeah. That's what they like. But we can easily. That anyway, so so so. So there is that aspect of it that. People ask people are definitely seeing, but they're scared about what's your tentive.

1:55:01Well, this is what it is. You create your community. If we all were responsible for our three, four thousand people in our immediate area. If whatever it is, the town village and you got bigger and bigger. If you all work together about what you need and what's the interest in you really, really had that, you know, because it's visible. Yeah. But their parents, people will know what their father's or mother's said or did. You know, people with the interest of grandmas. You've got to have the interest of the people first, not who's paying you or what's what the benefit is to you. Personally, so if you've got that egalitarian view, then you're unstoppable as a community. You know, in the past, in the medieval times, these type of the thing called Frankenplegge. And that was where they would tie 10 families together so that they were responsible for each other. So whatever it was that went wrong or whatever they would make reparations together as a group. And yeah, lovely. It is that that just sends absolutely that's marvelous. I mean, we've got 15,000 parishes I understand in England.

1:56:04So really every single one needs a cabby hub. I'm just calling it that for now. That was a good idea. Yeah. Never thought that. Well, there's the parishes and there are about a similar number of village holes connected with parishes, which are ideal and are ready to rock and roll. And you know, that would be the place to do it. Didi, we're coming up to the end of the hour. How are you for time? We've got another guest rolling up miles fleet. He's sitting, he's sitting patiently in the studio. I hope he's enjoying things. But do you want to talk a little bit longer? We could probably go five or 10 minutes into the next hour. How are you fixed? Up to you. I'm happy with whatever works for you and your guests. Okay. Well, look, I think we'll overrun for it because you were a little bit late. We lost a few minutes there. And miles, if you're hearing this, we'll bring you on around about quarter past 10. If that's okay. So just make another cup of cocoa or something like that. So I'm handling this. I'm handling it quite well. I've got to say goodbye though to one of our stations that picks us up. So we're just going to leave you on WBN 324 now.

1:57:04We're here for two hours on WBN every Thursday, three to five US Eastern time, eight till 10 here in Jolly Old UK. And I've got a little song to play called The Vampire. Yes, The Vampire. How about that? I have only a couple of bars of it. It's based on a poem by Rudyard Kipling, which I assume is... Or was called The Vampire. So we're going to play this. It runs for about five minutes. You can all go what you wish or whatever you need to do. I'll be back with D.D. just after the break for a five or ten minute wrap-up. And then we'll have Miles Fleetwood on round about quarter past 10. Here we go.

1:58:24...even as you and I. A fool there was and his goods he spent even as you and I. On Earth, faith and sure intent, and it wasn't the least What the lady meant But I've pulled us all up His natural bed Even as you and I Hold the ears we waste And it's hears we waste And the work of our head and hand Be long for the woman Who did not know Now we know that she never could know And did not understand

1:59:30And all that's higher we lost And the higher we lost And the excellent things we planned Be long for the woman Who did not know why And now we know that she never knew why And did not understand The full strip to his foolish hide Even as you and I Lost her first which is why Lost her first which is why

2:00:32But she might have seen when she threw him aside But it isn't on record the lady tried So some of him lived but the most of him died Even as you and I And it isn't the shame And it isn't the blame That stings like a white heart brand It's coming to know that she never knew why Seeing I've lost she could never know why And never could understand

2:01:38Well that was the vampire by By Redyard Kipling how about that So I haven't read the poem So I don't know what it's about but I just found it today That was quite nice I hadn't even listened to that before I played it So there you go nice it was quite Was good wasn't it that was pretty good I really did the time of night as well Yeah so vampires everybody and of course that is what we're up against These blood-socking monsters who are draining us of everything they've got I'm sure the vampire actually was meant to be a warning to your East European peasants about certain types Anyway we will go there because you know we want to stay on air and stuff like that But we're here with you DD so miles we'll bring on in about 10 we got about 10 It's we'll wrap up around about quarter past and I think Anna's still here as well I was just thinking I ought to we probably on the next show we need to get the two of you on at the same time

2:02:39Because you did mention that so from Cathar's to community and common law and all that kind of stuff It'll be quite a mix but it's been wonderful It's history it's history it's where we come from it's where we can go it's what we can use It's all somebody wants to think of us and for us and we were living quite harmoniously without issues You know I'm talking about pre-900s I'm not saying we have to go back to that but there is a way if you look at how community lived together It wasn't always I might remember at school trying to find out about things like that How did things come into being? We understand one country's natural fact when France came ever it wasn't France it was just normance It wasn't a country at the time so yeah lots of interesting things but you know one of the things I did forget say tonight And that is about the aspects of being self-sufficient which is very much part of unity as well And if we're talking about scarcity or potential risk or whatever it is that they're going to impose next

2:03:42That's another aspect of community they were working together on whether it's a lot of people's gardens So doing things or finding direct contact with local farms We can guarantee the produce very much into that and buying ethically and making And we've also got people in the group teaching you how to ferment food, how to make bread, how to make basics go a long way So all that sort of thing is not planning for a future of scarcity It's just saying how we can live more nutritionally and simply if we just took the time and then there's a collective So what we're hoping eventually to do is for those people that want to bake and do those things that we supply to other Baked, did you just say bake? Yeah Well I don't know. A rhubarb crumble Yeah I couldn't get any rhubarb this week. I've been banging on about crumbles for the last couple of weeks I've been baking crumbles

2:04:43But you know how you have these sort of services online where you can I don't know whatever I want sort of I want a service where a lady Hopefully looking pretty much like my grandma will come round to my house and bake me a pie a fruit pie I pay good money for that and I would I would have this something about the love that goes into it with all those hands And all that flour and all that butter all over the place and I'm going yeah so It's so strong in that food because they've got the non-er still doing all that for the care and the love and making it the way it It's magic is magic now that it's disappearing it's just magical it is I know and especially when they got their use their false teeth To put the lovely pattern around here to the pie that really does that really does make it to give it that extra Should I pick what yeah this is Eric hello Hello D.D. Eric Eric D.D. Yeah Eric hello Eric's the Eric's the fat controller for the show at times so that's really what's going on

2:05:46I don't remember my grandma using a dentures what's that they're called pastry cuts it's a very good idea though That's brilliant Well I got some multi-catchers We got some very sad news my aunts he had a badgie you know those cake badgie catches where they had a spring sort of door Yes where you can open it yeah all this budget used to actually but bounce back was upwards on the door And then fly out and then himself out and you know he used to come back again well unfortunately before he went there for Sunday lunch He said the budget is no more he went into a door and the say go pudding And that say go pudding I can still taste those feathers in it you know I'm sorry I'm really joking Yes yes so what a way to go you know die I don't think you can pull out the die if you just switch straight into the I think that's the way he wanted to go

2:06:53You've not just for a loop D.D. with saying baking it's no good I'm just saying look I couldn't get any rhubarb I'll tell you what By the way when did you last have Gooseberry pie you have an e or never you can't get them can you where a bloody Gooseberry So talk that's so talk there isn't it well it's just they're just fantastic yeah there are bright different days the season used to be so sure I think it's only August There's something only last about three or four weeks we used to have a local green grosser here of course it went the way of a lot of things courtesy of the old convid thing And it was the lively shop on the high street it was green grossers are where people make a lot of noise I mean I miss all that the show you know when you were just talking about that Buddhist guy saying he could feel the energy it's that sort of energy that's missing from street life He used to be present yeah you're right how are we going to get that back? No well become green grossers as pers called you know Mr Smith from Bolton or something and well do you know what I would love do you know they did this in strad they had this thing where you could go

2:07:58After work and they'd be like they call that the long table I think it's when they're doing one of these strange community situations And all this food was donated from farms and shops and various places and they would make it go and they would actually put the price up to tell you how much a meal would cost for them to make it there But they would make it nicely and and then people could just come in with their kids or grandmas or whatever it was after any way after work go in there and just eat on a long table As if you were in a yeah and and everything was made homemade and and done that way so that's I thought that was a great idea of what people with kids rushing them from one thing after school to another How lovely to have almost like have your mother there making dinner for you but you're in a social community way I mean it's it and go but it's still people together I think it's a really nice way of doing things and you could actually those people with time on the hands could do the village all And you could come in and get your pie your homemade pie by by some expert that was adjudicated to be the best one to make them

2:09:04You know you'd eventually find that lovely old lady yeah you could just pick that one your way home Yeah see what we need we need is grandma baking dot net that's what we need we need it you know I agree with it We could bake our way back to freedom everybody I think you know never underestimate the power of the pie Yeah what did I think it don't don't hold me on this I think it was in Bristol but don't hold me on this They actually got food donated I think they got it from supermarkets you know out of date stuff And they didn't put a price on anything and you paid what you could have hold And they're baking quite a lot of money because very rich people go in there have a delicious meal and pay more than they would pay in a cafe or restaurant And then the poor will go in that they're meal when they couldn't afford to pay they were nobody was made to fill in barrows Exactly I think they were making more money than they order cafes around because the rich went in there And the rich were sitting next to the poor people we didn't make that there's a very nice environment and you just paid what you thought the meal was worth

2:10:11Exactly that's what they were about I put strides they did that on the long table I don't think I don't think it's still going but yeah same thing same principle we could do that in a lot of places And then there's also trade off you know a lot of people are not earning big money but they can trade their skills or their ability That's what you do in the proper community when all the bank fell and everything up we've all got things we can do When all the banks fail they're not they're not going to fail you can trust me I'm a banker everything's going to be solid and ship shape It's all going to turn out marvelously well I mean it just is I've you noticed as well we got to just wrap up here because Miles is chomping at the bits so I'm going to bring him on in a minute but I was just we used to have Dennis Healy as the chancellor of X checkered didn't we And now we've got another Healy what is it is this some sort of sign yeah yeah the the current chance that used to be the defense I think he's now been lobbed into the economy I heard someone saying that he's he suddenly realized how bad it is and you're going

2:11:11Oh please it's like being governed by uneducated malingering children of the worst type it's just it's all a surprise to them who it's really bad yeah I know it's awful it's awful because we stand back who we don't do anything about it you know well well you are doing something about it Well frightened the front the chancellor creep up beyond him and just say the word user ready because that's what they're terrified of everybody finding out about the user We'll get that one across we'll get that one across this is all doable isn't it anyway I was just think we probably better say goodbye to you Yeah, DD and and to Anna as well I want to worry because it's only what it's only quite a past 10 so you probably got a good pub to go to It's a bit like at the end I want to say thank you to you because I honestly was not feeling great tonight I was one of those things Oh don't mention it. He's talking so much and I went to Annie and lemon yeah I got to this thing up and anyway and it's been a delight

2:12:13Listening to both really nice it's been a delight listening to you both it's been delight yeah you need to get down the pub I used to have a mate When we were at parties and he wanted to clear his house he go around his show and you all got pubs to be going to And I this is like one o'clock in the morning so that's how we end things yeah yeah you're fantastic They close here they close here at 9 o'clock there's nobody in them well I'm gonna I'm gonna pest a Maria and shout out to Maria again Thank you very much for setting up this part of the show tonight. It's been brilliant and I'd like to get both of you back at least one more time before the years out So we're just this is the last Thursday in the summer so it's autumn next Thursday apparently according to something Yeah, it is yeah, it is we'll be past the 20th of September won't we I guess we've got clocks to look forward to and point up your stockings And all that kind of stuff is old fun fun fun round here so anyway Thank you so much for for dropping by and good luck with the lemon juice and all that kind of stuff and also to you and it's been wonderful really enjoyed it

2:13:14Thank you and thank you all right thank you everybody bye bye School bye for now I'm gonna play I'm gonna play the telephone heist we shall act some minute and then we're gonna bring miles on We committed light telephone fraud as a family and it was my mother's idea Long distance actually cost money so you did not call somebody just to chat you called collect The operator comes on the line asks who is calling and then asks the house whether they will accept the charges And somewhere along the way every family in America worked out the exact same thing The name you give the operator does not have to be a name it can be the message operator I have a collect call from we got there safe And my father who never once accepted a charge in his life says no thank you hangs up the phone turns around and tells my mother that we got there safe

2:14:19Free you had to say it fast before she cut you off and some of those operators knew exactly what you were doing and let you finish anyway That is not nostalgia that is a heist Cool a we didn't have long telephone charges did we but I thought that was quite naughty of the Americans to do that That's the truth that you're all very very naughty and lawbreakers terrible back on the trunk call days Yeah cool I love that apparently everybody in America was doing that who's calling we got there safely it's great it's cool anyway You've set it up at last miles we've talked about you over and over and I've always gone where did he go Oh he's just disappeared we just say it can we he just just go uh did you see him on the stage and he just liked it miles where have you gone

2:15:19He has got what's that we could get it through one no it's okay No hello miles I don't know what happened there you just you just run for cover didn't you we know what's going on it's terrible round here It's terrible I want to thank you for your patience we just we had a few technicals during the previous hour and and uh we just got DD and Anna on and it was uh we were just a bit on a roll so I think I filled you in verbally so you would have heard it in the background wouldn't you so Anyway it's lovely to get you uh Eric calls me up and bends my air about getting you on the show and stuff like that and he's just managed to do it at the last minute so well done it's great to have you here I will it's good to be here it's good it's cool and you are miles Fleetwood aren't you in there you go I got Doctor Miles Fleetwood Doctor Miles Fleetwood sorry yes I'll come in again and you are Doctor Miles Fleetwood we've got to get it right and uh basically if it wasn't for you Eric would be coming apart of the seams I understand that's right I think he still is actually

2:16:19if you've got enough if you've got enough super glue you can do a few things but you know they just don't produce enough supplements that's keeping oh fantastic this is really good yeah we like this this is good um okay well it was interesting listening to the last person because I saw a nice little link between what she was saying and what I feel about things yes the the main thing is she's looking at it from uh I shouldn't say she was it Anna that was DD who was the main body so yeah Anna was no it's okay Anna was on for the first hour and and they know each other really well they're thicker thieves I don't know first the right phrase did he was kind of talking as far as I was concerned about um the great outside I'm sort of more concerned about the great inside as in the inside of a human being yes um hence one

2:17:24um actually got quite a few qualifications oh we just lost him hang on we just lost yeah you're back again it's come back again okay okay we only lost you for a couple of seconds don't worry about it okay so I've got a quite a few trainings in quite a few big disciplines I mean if you look at the um the things that I'm trained in there's in total somewhere around about 20 years worth of study there yes so yeah why and it's not my first career which is it's not my first rodeo um I uh I started out in life training as an engineer and a mechanical engineer actually and then I changed to uh that was at the Royal National Orthopedic Hospital in Stammer and absolutely amazing hospitals for orthopedics when was that when would this be miles what decade are we talking about it when I was 17 I was a wheeled and uh I came out of uh school and did a

2:18:32day release course which was a marvellous idea in my opinion um it gave me the opportunity to study for two well and a day and a half a week um at college and to earn some money at the same time and uh that was for an oh nc or an ordinary national certificate oh I remember those and yeah and I'm just quite a good education actually you know I had done a physics oh level so it was a nice move on from that into the engineering side of things and um I was very involved in um bone and joint replacement components or the design of them right and and uh even to the fact that um occasionally I would go into the theatre the operating theatre and assemble them in in the city ready to be put into a patient which amazed me you know I loved all that it was um I was a little bit older than 17 when I was doing that there I was probably

2:19:35around about 20 when I started doing that um then I did an hnd and uh in general engineering rather than mechanical engineering and I actually left the hospital because fantastic places for patients are concerned not for junior lab tech not a great place to be realistically um and also not uh at the time I think it's a lot better now but all I literally knit around the corner and went to um another engineering establishment called um Marconi Space and Defense System. Oh we've heard of them yeah we've heard of Marconi Space yes okay and that was quite amazing because I had I felt like a bit like James Bond you know he had to be screened and checked out that you're not a sort of extremist in any way shape or form did they issue you with a wolf of PpK miles

2:20:39absolutely and all these um sort of lovely babes were sort of attracted to me I don't don't like that. Oh, I'm good this is a sort of story we want at late night on a Thursday great yeah but I think that was the link after shave that was doing it though. Yeah but I'm on a moment I think when those boys or woman came into your um your shop yeah the Diana leg fell off and you said that's okay she's a loose woman sorry so um first we like allowed blue people together and then I learned how to sort of blow them up um I stayed at Marconi and that's why I did a degree in engineering electronic engineering production and design um and if it hadn't been for Marconi I wouldn't have got that there's no way I'm not that clever um so went out and left Marconi as soon as I'd got it so that was right legged it with the wolf of PpK got you yeah absolutely yeah absolutely and went into um computer maintenance I suppose you'd call it and communication maintenance

2:21:44so I was a field engineer at first then I became a support engineer for three different companies in a row um just was grabbing the money as I was going basically and that's why I'm able now to do the job I'm doing now which I love and I should have always done it before but it doesn't earn any much money it's what is the job that you are doing now then right it's how do you describe it how would I describe it it's multifaceted and don't get me wrong there's still bad sides to it I dealing with Eric for one I suppose the first the first thing I did uh the first thing I need to explain is that I've got a health food shop that I'm the proprietor of I don't physically own the shop but I own all the products that are in there I've rent the shop okay and uh in there there's a treatment room and inside the treatment room I do consultations with um nutritional patience so patients who

2:22:51needing nutritional health and uh more now towards the acupuncture um and I'm I really need to get some more more going with Chinese hopes uh that's my determination this yeah it qualified in it aren't I'm qualified yes you've got a BSC in natural therapy and intraditional Chinese medicine traditional Chinese medicine yeah um and um so it's it's a great introduction introductory to uh someone if they come in and they say I like let's let's look at uh um criticism uh oh I should say Eric is uh he said he called me a heat your life as long as he's not just like the mid-innah um he's done some work around his uh eyes which seems to have been very successful and very good um I'm sure he can elaborate on that in a few minutes however there's a work in progress which is

2:23:58he's got um what's called dupertance contracture which is a the finger his on him it's his little finger and it's on it's on your left hand isn't it from memory and now it's right hand say that again Miles what's he got what was the name of that dupertance contracture dupertance contracture Eric you've got an exotic thing I know it seems like um yeah it means up and pick my noseies it more easier because me little fingers going up and I'm here can you hear me okay I'll carry on I can't hear Eric actually I whether he said something or not I don't know um and this is actually a Viking trait so believe it or not Eric is a Viking they made a fit at miles they made a film with that title Eric the Viking didn't they yeah well we're there the Viking yeah yeah that's that is him yeah yeah yeah yeah you maniac yeah okay what happens is the tendons start to shorten and so it's

2:25:06dragging that finger that little finger into a position where it's as if it's gripping something so the rest of his hand may be out straight and that finger is bent and bending into towards his the palm of his hand right um we've done some we've actually worked on it for some time but I can't get hold of one product that I'm trying to get for him a battle axe right where we could do that yeah that's probably why it's curling in it's an old thing from holding battle lungs is Eric that's what it will be yeah could well be um I did suggest uh hitching it with a hammer I think and when's do any came in yeah yeah oh I like the idea of where you work Miles this is great bang what my sounds really unfortunately I didn't have a hammer handy so it wasn't it wasn't the uh pathway that we took so um having a having worked in a

2:26:07real scientific environment in the at Marconia and at the hospital I'm quite scientific in my approach and my feelings towards natural medicine yeah and um I think the biggest so I'm going to tell you about two things that the other uh other lady did he was talking about and touched on and that I'm gonna drag in actually because I actually feel the biggest problem that we've got is that farmers are paid for weight of their produce virtually across the board um unless it's something like caviar where you all you've got to have beluga or something like this yeah it really feels growing carrots so if you're in the mainstream um realistically they're paid by weight and uh it's getting a little bit better because we're now getting some organic produce coming in

2:27:07again in the mainstream and when I say mainstream supermarkets and and the like and they're becoming more available at a good price at a reasonable price but unfortunately if you've taken the nutrients out of the soil for the last 60 70 years since World War II is what I'm saying yes those soils are just depleted there's nothing in them we put three minerals on KPNM we put on potassium nitrogen and phosphorus and that's it when we don't need those three nutrients what a surprise we only need them in small quantities what we need is zinc and calcium and magnesium and boron and and all of those are gone they went a long time ago because if you if you think of it like a bank account if if I go up to the bank and I take uh well let's take what the the um the medical fraternity say

2:28:1090 nutrients out so I take out 90 pounds at a time but every time I go there I put three pound back in where it's not gonna last long my money is it no so it's the same with the soil the soils are depleted and they're they're finished now so yeah getting growing in allotments and putting horse mark on it putting chicken mark on it and the the things like that so that you're getting those nutrients back into the soil recondition it reestablish good a good uh bio whatever you want to call it bio sphere in in the soil you know so we actually make the soil better we would then make the general health of the people bit much better and first step towards healthy people there was a film miles you know released about two years ago called I think it's called six inches of soil and and the whole pitch of it is exactly what you're talking about you say look the whole of the world runs on six inches of soil this soil that's got the right stuff in it or it

2:29:15doesn't and um you know this is a universal proposition isn't it if if this stuff's not going into people's bodies their bodies are gonna induce course wear out and start collapsing all over the place for this that and the other reason I guess yeah absolutely well the other thing is I actually did try doing this while I was still a um computer engineer I had a garden of my house there was a hundred foot long and I made half of it into uh growing crops it was it a like an allotment and in fact it was like a quarter of it was allotment and a quarter of it was a mini vineyard mini orchard sorry and it was absolutely phenomenal I had so much produce I was giving away to everyone and I it was easy to grow the winter wasn't so good I didn't get so much in the winter but during the summer I had beans I had lettuce I had radish you know you know you name it

2:30:16peas little lot all growing like mad and um yeah I was just giving it away and and then comes the autumn and the orchard started producing all of its fruit and everything unfortunately I don't live there at the moment I still own the house but I let it um finances have got the better all the so that's one thing that we need to get that and then uh did he actually touched on the energies how certain people can feel and see energies yes and and um another really interesting uh aspect when I first started in nutrition well before I had the um the the PhD in nutritional science I I worked in a very affluent area of London I don't know can I say where um should we all guess catford no no no no no no no no no no no no

2:31:21break come on Eric you take a big no affluent yeah yeah I thought you said affluent sorry haha it was no it's a very affluent area and um I met someone uh sorry I should explain I've got a machine that helps me to diagnose and it's called a vegan machine right and you put files of different nutrients into the the machine and the machine then assesses whether you've got enough of that nutrient right and um and and it does it with food intolerances amongst other things and I was doing food intolerances and this person said to me I can tell what they are and I said what really and you they they hold an electrode and you complete the circuit by putting another electrode on the other hand either on the finger or on the thumb and I said well what's this one oh that's the apple that's quite straightforward you know and I've got what

2:32:22and what's this one hmm not so sure about that one is is that orange and it would be tangerine or something like that and I'm I was like this is incredible and so I talked more with that person and got into it a little bit and they could actually feel colors as well as feeling what was going on virus machine they could feel colors and they could feel edges of of of doorways and things like that not that that's particularly helpful but there is this other sense that we've got that's what surprised me with it and this and this other sense they the evidently they belong to a group that met and they actually tried to get more sensory sensation from these things now I I think I think Miles that I think we mentioned this the other week the Greeks I can't list them all but you know we were told that we've got five senses but I think the Greeks had eight or nine down

2:33:26including intuition clear audience clear voice telepathy other qualities or skills that seem to be more readily available three three four thousand years ago things that were actually noted by them something that we seem to have lost maybe with the this is like a cliche but with the atrophying or the stultifying of the pineal and other glands in the body because we've got the yeah glands are amazing and they're they're absolutely they're just amazing and another thing on that that's just sprung straight into my mind so I'm going to say about it I I went out to well Arizona basically and I went while I was out there I got on one of these sweat lodge huts that you would go into and they burn sage and you'd get you know you'd go into a different space and time and what have you yes well that happens but I was speaking to the guy who was

2:34:30running it and he was sort of big chief sitting ball or something I don't know what is that I can't remember he was one of those blasted Indians was he I've got you know blasted Indians yeah cheeky little fellow he was and and he said but hold on I'll just I'll just think that message through and he was and I said what he said quiet just quiet for a minute and and there was silence and then he said um that's dumb and I said well what would you mean you've talked the message through no I've I've thought it to the chat back in the office and and he'll back act on that he'll get that and he'll act on it and it was sort of um can you put my bag out the way or something was something very minor yeah and I said what are you telepathic as well yeah so it's probably get that and you probably move it that's fantastic it's a well not really most of the

2:35:30real native Americans had this skill and know how it is used and the lot of them can still use it but he said you've got a cell phone so you don't need and I said he thought yeah we're just we're getting more and more equipment whereas really what we need to do is train to do with that yeah it's more fun it's more romantic and it's more appealing in many ways it's like the stories that you would have read and been enchanted by as a child and then I just sent this thought off and two hours later this happened yeah we were all that it's like the sort of things you think dream about when you're a child all those things when we got back the guy I had put I think it was a bag he had put the bag around the back of the desk you know outside of everybody yeah and he just felt that he needed to do that now that's that's mad in my it's wonderful it's mad and it's wonderful it's wonderful yeah yeah it is and then the other thing was I went in this heart and it was

2:36:30sort of dawn was just breaking and we went in the heart and we spoke the piece part all the usual stuff and then they start burning the sage and they start playing this drum and you're away and you think and then they're so right we're going out now we're just let the air come in first of all and they open up the the got like a skin over the door you know an animal skin of some kind and we got out there and I said wait me what's going on it was dark now as far as I was concerned I've been in there a couple of hours no I hadn't I've been in there about sort of 16 hours or something it it was dust when we went in there or dawn I should say yeah it was dust when we came out of there and somewhere somehow I went away for 12 hours I don't know where I was because it didn't feel like I was in there that long mm-hmm and that's a bit like is it sounds a bit like a normal year over the last few years where they last about 10 minutes is

2:37:35that what you're saying yeah yeah that's because you're getting old I don't know about maybe you're right it was there I was going involved you know I was there are wasca involved reasons but so am I and isn't it great yeah the other option is not so good you want to get old because the other options are bad option yes well it's just an option and we all take it at some point but it's nice to get older isn't it yeah get older first so and I've had a very strange sort of day to day as well there's another thing that's gone on I a few weeks ago how many weeks ago we three and a bit weeks ago I managed to break my wrist we won't go into wise and wills house but I did right and I'd read a report about I do loads of research into into healing different healing research

2:38:42and I'd read a report and I think it was from the University of Cincinnati and Chingling University in China and they combined some research and have decided that their research showed them that Antler healed bone a a break in a bone that would take about six weeks to heal under normal conditions if you took Antler you would get it healing in about two weeks what's Antler do you mean literally the powdered antlers of a of a beast right now that was that that's how I read it yeah I've then still got a mentor for Chinese medicine and I got in touch with him and he said I it's a bell that you want Antler valve it and yeah go to a certain shop in London and tell him that I sent you because animal products were no no as that's why I'm not giving you the name of it

2:39:42his name or the name of the shop you didn't say anything Miles we didn't hear you at all yeah understand and and they sent me out some and lovell it well it played absolute havoc with my digestive system let's put it that way that's a polite word putting it oh you know we're in Erick's Bayleywick now yeah yeah yeah and I went along to the hospital today and um oh god to get a trap on my wrist yeah and they have to trade my wrist and they said that's healed and that's amazing it's healed very very quickly they said and I said oh yeah I've been taking a Chinese herb you know oh no no I want me to do that it's it's just you're you're very healthy at the month well don't feel it particularly I feel normal um and yeah the only and I again said but I'm still getting pain every now and again it's sudden and it's unpredictable

2:40:45and they said oh well a bounce healed but the nerve hasn't so it has healed it's done exactly what it's meant to do see what the bone yeah but it hasn't but it hasn't healed the um the nerve the nerves yet the soft tissues yet so yeah you've got to be very specific as to what you want from the Chinese herb list if you go and see one how did you how did you move over what caused you to look at Chinese herbs was it just part of your general inquiry at the time always there's something that specifically attracted you to it it wasn't on the agenda particularly you know what was on the agenda it was when I became a nutritionist that was actually because of an injury as well I had a terrible whip that shack injury and um I mean that's so bad that they thought that when I went along to get my radio out do you remember you used to retrieve the radio from your car now

2:41:46they're all good radio is aren't they oh yeah I do yeah yeah or don't leave the radio in the car someone will break in and nick the radio yeah I went in and I had this accident and I and the breakers had taken my car in because it was a ride off and um I went back to get my radio and they said oh sad about the bloke was driving it so I said why what do you mean and they said he's dead isn't he I said no it's me I said can I have the radio please oh we've got it somewhere um and they couldn't find it at first then they found it which was very interesting I think that was on its way out of there into your thing you think you're really how surprising yeah um and uh yeah so I found there was two things that helped me I didn't want to take uh so that but this is for the whip latching injury not for finding my radio and um there were two things that really helped me one was acupuncture absolutely phenomenal um I the family knew of an acupuncturist

2:42:53and she I've literally found her from the hospital and she said oh you're in hospital now yeah I can come out give you a treatment yeah came to the hospital and um they put a collar on me and all this kind of stuff um which now I don't know if they do still do that it's a bad thing to do though and uh don't don't put some needles in me and I was like what that's mad it's really controlled it it just the pain just dispersed almost immediately wow and um I could move my head to a degree I mean it wasn't great but I could move my head and she said you need to come in uh tomorrow uh to her clinic and uh you'll need another appointment three days after that when did all of that and it was fantastic but I couldn't keep up the costs of it um you know to have three treatments in a week uh this was a long time goes it this was sort of what about nearly 30 years ago um they were

2:43:57about uh for memory 25 to 35 pound each somewhere around that sort of well I just didn't have the money to keep doing it especially as I wasn't working at that time um I was off sick and uh so I I took all of those anti-inflammatories and things like that they they didn't really work they took the edge off it I suppose so I started looking into nutrition and I'd always been interested in natural medicine but found my cure in nutrition basically and um then didn't really think about acupuncture um as a as a way forward I was a nutritionist and quite happy being a nutritionist and uh then I forget what happened but something else happened about acupuncture and um I thought I better can learn this right and so I've gotten a you've got on a three year Chinese medicine course

2:44:59and um hence training the herbs but not really use them because I'm lazy so and so and um I I use them occasionally I use them sort of very very very uh spasmodically um I think because I've got the nutrition and with the nutrition I my specialization was what they call phytotherapy which is herbal medicine so I had that from the nutritional side and I use a lot of western herbs right and the difference the difference between them by the way in Chinese medicine they will tend to be a complex of herbs so we would have uh maybe ten different herbs that do similar sort of things to get that organ or inflammation down or the organ functioning or get you back on your feet so you can start having some acupuncture or whatever um whereas

2:46:01western herbal medicine normally relies on just one or two herbs so it's it's a point is it more refined a more refined sort of process or a more yet um no I think there's a more brutal process actually all right yeah because you're you're putting in so let's say herb ABCD are all good for a for arthritis yeah um they'll put ABCD into their formula in different quantities whereas in um western herbal medicine they will just probably put A in there right you see what I'm saying yeah so there's the same there's the same herbs but they're they're hitting it from several different angles and they're called pathways and it means that they're using a different chemical pathway to that they're interrupting or changing to stop you producing the inflammation so that you get better blood flow around your knee if you got arthritis

2:47:07and so that you recover quicker um if people miles if if people I'm just looking at the time we've got about just under 10 minutes left yeah if people want to get in touch with you how do they do that is that something you want to say on air is there a way that people can contact you I know that and Sally Eric she she goes there doesn't she sometimes yes yes I've seen her and she she does personally I would suggest that they come through to the shop number um I'm only saying that because I get I when I first started in this I just gave out my mobile number my mobile number is reserved for patients realistically and I had hundreds of of I'm not joking in a week I would get to the 150 texts or emails all regarding I've got this you know I've got a yeah an arthritic problem or whatever and I just couldn't answer them all and then they all get very frustrated if they come through to the to the shop phone number we'll do what we can from the shop

2:48:14for free what do you want to put that number out here in the show or no yeah we can do that go on say then say the number what is the number okay everyone got a pen and paper it's 01992 oh 1992 yes yeah six five six five double oh yeah double oh one four I thought you were going to say 007 then okay oh 1992 six five double oh one four yeah correct yeah correct and I will try and help people out the phone just with that number but I also have to earn a living at some point along the line so yeah the mobile is reserved for patients and come my my eye add you don't have a web cell hello hello can you hear me I think I've gone offline hello no no no we've got a funny thing

2:49:14going on miles where you can hear me and I can hear Eric but you can't hear Eric Eric why do you leave the studio quickly and come back in again you know sometimes a little okay mate yeah yeah okay right I'll try that I'll show you in a few moments okay okay right I'm so he's just gonna leave and come back miles and then you should be able to connect it with him he was yes so moving moving swiftly on as I was saying because we haven't got a few minutes from my point of view the most important thing is the insides of you and how that chemistry works inside you um so if we've got all of the nutrients now we've improved the soil theoretically if you've got a good healthy lifestyle good amounts of sleep good amounts of exercise and not overexecising yet people say oh yeah I can run a four-minute mile or whatever that's not I I used to be a junior athlete that is not actually that healthy you're pushing your body too hard if you were to run a six-minute

2:50:19mile for for most men I would think that would be quite fast enough to be a as a training program if you wanted to do it but you're better going out and feeling it just go out and run and if you feel puffed out stop for a while catch your breath and walk home or or job home but obviously make sure your health be first don't you can't be doing that if you've got a bad heart or something but can you can you hear Eric Miles right can you hear me now Miles good diet good and that's weird and good migration very strange that's the the basics starting point for people to stay in good health I want to knock you completely off topic miles for the last five minutes here you can't you can't hear any of us what is going on yeah I think it might be the iPad because I can hear you yeah we can hear you can you hear me yeah we can uh Miles I can hear

2:51:21you Eric and I can hear Miles and I can hear everybody and I think you can too but Miles is obviously having some intermittent issue actually he's just uh I know still on the stage no he isn't yeah might be better to reboot let me just let me just let you be able to have a lovely time I can see that yeah I can't hear either of you now um I think it might be the iPad might be yeah of course he can't hear us Eric so yeah funny little intermittent things recently which are a bit tiresome out they I mean if we could get a message to him and ask him to leave and rejoin but of course he can't hear us oh hang on I'll send it through the studio chat okay we've got we've got five minutes we've got five minutes can it be done if a man can run a mile in six minutes maybe we can get a message through him back within five to get Miles back on the show right I just sent him a message yeah hang on let's have a look here let's I'll put some it through some is going on interesting sound Eric he's bashing a crap out of his iPad or can it out of

2:52:27window maybe you could write a short message and put it in the leg of that carrier pigeon you've got flight over to him yes and we're getting back on it might not happen what are you doing it sounds like he's doing a Spanish sort of flamingo don't do the link don't do the link don't do the what if I just kick him off if I just kick him off and it might occur to him to come back on again what do you think or is that just rude and vulgar what the man's that he's happening well we've got nothing on the show at the end of the show everybody if you wanted radio tap dancing you've come to the right place because that's what's going on yeah yes I want to talk to communicate with him via well what would happen if I phoned him via a WhatsApp well he's left so it might have occurred to him that he's left and going to rejoin yes so anyway we got time left we're about we're about to wind up here in big-time style or something like that let's see we've got we've got just under three minutes or whatever before we're going to go I'll just keep watching if he comes back but that was really really interesting with it okay he's back always gonna say

2:53:31hello miles back can you hear us anywhere us I can hear you both and I'm excellent yeah fantastic okay so look we've only got a couple of minutes and I want to change the topic completely and we can carry this on when you come back again because you're going to Eric sent me this he said miles Fleetwood he is related to a big wig who was in the English Civil War round head or cavalier miles quick oh my god oh yeah oh bloody old one of the signatories for the death warrant of Charles the first oh no so you're making up for it by healing people well no I think I'm a real royalist yeah okay um I think it's in my blood to be a royalist the same level as this one in this big wig who was yeah it was in Oliver Cromwell's army and he also

2:54:35married Oliver Cromwell's daughter I believe oh wow that's that's really interesting that is really interesting miles were just were just about a time in fact the music is going about to start any second sort of like now there you go that's the outro music look it's been wonderful to get you on and Eric well done for sort of so I'm talking out miles at the last minute it's brilliant well I have to get you back I really enjoyed it miles that was fantastic um we put your number out yeah everybody's a bit sort of panicking you know everybody will know about miles but that's the whole idea so look if you have ailments or whatever and you're curious or even if you can get into without Sally I think she's got some great testimonials as well but lovely to have you here for Thursday evening also great to Anna and to DD who were on early and as I said we'll get them back it's been a really rather jolly show I think this week a few technical hiccups aside the pubs are closed now I think unless you live in a rumbukhsis area yeah yeah the pubs are I was so I'm sorry about that everybody it's Thursday night anyway I've got a big hefty supply

2:55:37of gin and tonic at home and I might have one before I hit the hay um anyway look have a cracking weekend it'll be autumn next Thursday so we'll see you for the first show of the autumn season and we'll be wearing tweed of course now a little hats and things like that but thank you miles thank you Eric and thank you everybody listening we'll see you all next week yeah bye thank you bye for now bye for now everyone