Paul Murray Live | 22 September

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1:03This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry. Welcome to the show. You know, I'm standing up, which means I've got an opinion poll to give you in a moment or two's time. But tonight on the program, Chris Bowen and Electric Vehicles, there was an extraordinary report on the ABC last night. You were watching us, so you missed it. Wait till I show you how wrong this bloke is about the car he drives more in a moment. The great night, your forage will be here. We will, of course, join us live from London, the only place you can ever see him on Aussie TV is here on Paul Murray Live. And as always, we end the show with a look at the social media videos, the politicians waste their time making, but sadly, we all have to pay for, as I say, I'm standing up because we have the very latest edition of the news 24 Pulse. This is our opinion poll, which is done in conjunction with the good people of you, Gough. Now, before we get to the overall picture when it comes to the parties,

2:04I think the headline out of tonight's poll is just how unpopular the Prime Minister is. Now, we have been measuring all year the satisfaction or dissatisfaction rating of the Prime Minister. Tonight, we are at the equal low of the Prime Minister's time in our poll. In fact, 62% of Australians are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister's performance. That is up three points in just two weeks. As you can see, the satisfied number is very close to the Labour primary and is only about a third of the electorate. Now, this is worth breaking down because the perceptions of the Prime Minister are negative for both men and women, but blocs seem to have more of a problem with the Prime Minister than female voters, but both have a negative view. As you can see, female voters six out of ten dissatisfied with the Prime Minister, the number higher, at 64%. Now, amazing in that change, by the way, when it came to the female vote, this is the past two weeks. The past two weeks has seen

3:09four points when it came to female voters, two points when it came to men. He was already in negative territory, but at six out of ten he is in a world of trouble. Other demographic breakdowns to have a look at all of this here, which are by generation. Now, as you can see, even Gen Z, supposedly the young voters that are up with all of the agenda from the housing taxes to climate change, well, the majority of them, barely, but the majority of them are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister's approval. The older it gets, the worse it gets for the Prime Minister. But, as you can see, for millennials. Now, supposedly again, this is a group of voters that are under 50. The entire calculation of the Prime Minister and the Labor Party is that older voters, they can do without them, because everyone under 50 will vote for them. Well, if you've got six out of ten of millennial voters, as well as the section of Gen X that's under 50, at 64%, being basically where boomers are, at 65% disapproval, let alone three quarters of people that are in the greatest generation, the

4:13parents of the boomers. That is an extraordinary indictment on the Prime Minister. And what about the class divides in Australia? Now, again, these are all self-defined, but working class voters just 31% satisfied with the Prime Minister. 65% of people who are self-identified as being the backstories of the Prime Minister, well, their view is that they are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister. For the vast bulk of the country, otherwise known as the middle class, the picture is not particularly good either. Basically, six out of ten, up five points in two weeks. The Prime Minister has had a shocking fortnight. That is the reality here in his personal numbers. And we were told that the past two weeks was all over, shocker for Pauline Hanson. No, there's a problem for the Prime Minister. In terms of the upper class or will to do, how again, this is all self-identified, via people doing the survey with you, Governor. Remember, the you-gov numbers were bang on

5:15in the 2025 election. So, don't let anyone tell you that this stuff is outlier. This is basically the true picture of Australia right now and its problems with the Prime Minister. Unsurprisingly, those that are well off less than 50% dissatisfied, conversely, less than 50% satisfied, but his best numbers are with people, frankly, like himself. Who obviously don't have to worry about their current life, let alone the cost of living, let alone their future life, let alone, of course, retirement. It is an extraordinary set of numbers and none of them. Good for the Prime Minister on a personal level tonight. But, of course, what's he doing to try to turn things around here? Well, nothing because he's in New York and, of course, he's going to change the world via the United Nations. All right, let's have a look now at the overall party figures. The One Nation Party remains the most popular party in the country right now. This is the very latest opinion poll. Again, we do these every two weeks. The primary vote for One Nation might be down, but it's still in front of Labor. 2726. Now, as I've told you before,

6:19when it comes to interpreting these polls, a point here, a point there is essentially a tie. So, this is essentially a tie. There has been a little bit of movement from One Nation straight back to the Coalition. Well, the Coalition is still well and truly running third, right? Probably fourth, if you want to count daylight right now. There are a couple of things inside the poll that are to me quite interesting for part of the potential Coalition rebuild. But, again, the vote not coming off Labor. Equally, the vote to the Greens is only coming off the minor party vote. That minor party vote is also worth talking about because, of course, there are plenty of independence, plenty of Greens and plenty of Teals. So, I thought I should actually show you the breakdown here of the other number because, remember, the fundamental theory of the Prime Minister and the Labor Party is that all of this ends up as preferences back eventually to the Labor Party, which is why they may hold on to government, perhaps in minority, but they

7:19certainly are nowhere near the thumping majority that they got not that long ago. These are all single digits, but still worth noticing that more than 10% sits out there, and that's why the preference game is particularly important. Now, again, I want to go by gender here and again, the primary vote and which particular party was getting the backing there. Okay, you can see here when it comes to men, One Nation, Number One, Labor Number Two, but surprisingly, a little bit of movement toward the Greens and a little bit of movement towards other and the Coalition. But, again, six points went travelling. Again, if these numbers aren't exact in terms of this numbering up here, it's because, round up, round down, of course, with 0.5 being the threshold to go up and 0.4 being what goes down. Female voters, again, let's have a look at where they are. The Number One Party for them is the Labor Party. Number One Party for them is the Labor Party at 28%, so it is in front and clear enough to say that it is. The Number One choice of female voters, but remember what their position is when it comes to the Prime Minister. Still six out of 10 having

8:22a problem right there. Now, I also wanted to show you, again, when it came to the generations, but do it slightly differently here because, again, some of this data can become a little bit eye-glazing, but I want you to see what is the Number One choice of each of the generations? For Gen Z, it's the Greens and by a mile. For millennials, the Number One political party in this poll, and I think it's for the first time, outright, is one nation at 28%. Gen X, one nation at 34%, for boomers, it is equal between the Coalition and Labor at 31%, and for the greatest generation, then again, it is 48%. So, interesting to view there. Again, self-identified by-class, this is how people describe themselves as working class, majority there, or the biggest single party there, one nation, 33%, middle class, Labor Party and the Coalition, they split the vote at 26%, well off is the Coalition at 32%. There's an awful lot inside all of this, right? Now, also,

9:29we asked inside the news 24 polls about how people feel about their financial circumstances at the moment, and unsurprisingly, it is essentially a three-way split in the country about how you feel, about your financial circumstances right now. 39% of people say comfortable. I'm a little surprised by that number, but still I'm presenting it to you as the findings of the poll. 32 or a third of the country says struggling. Now, neither is interesting because, of course, it literally is the in the middle, right? Now, in the middle could be just a pressure that has been there for years, and that obviously takes us to the majority of the country being in an unpleasant place, or despite the pressure, things are okay, which puts the majority of people in the comfortable category. I would think it is most likely to be the former, rather than the latter. In terms of the social media laws, which are currently before Parliament, where the first organisation will actually start polling on this, and I'm pleased to read the reaction to it here, because, of course, it's not just about the overall digital duty of care, but, of course, it is a discussion about how much power

10:33the individual minister and, again, should have in all of this. So, let me break it down for you. 42% of people, they're completely fine with everything as is, right? The law goes through with the minister being able to decide individually what is harmful, okay? Now, 28% say they agree that with the law, but they think the minister is right to have personal power to define what is harmful on social media, or the internet, that is the bridge too far. 20% hardcore no, and those that are still trying to work it out and understandably so, about 10%. All of that is right now on news24.com.au. We call it the news24 pulse. We do it every two weeks here on Paul Murray Live. Now, the sun is just rising in the United States, where the prime minister is getting ready for his big global award for, you know, being everything is awesome, but there have been plenty of people trying to hold the fort here for Labour. As firstly, news poll now us have findings that the Australian

11:37people are not happy, Jan. Poles are obviously not great, but we are not focused on the polling, what we've focused on is making a real difference in people's lives. And we know that they're doing it tough. We hear that. I'm out all the time in my electorate. People will tell you that they're feeling pressure. Obviously, polling is incredibly important, but we are still focused on how we can help people with the cost of living. We know people are doing it really tough out there, which is why we're focused on the things that make a difference. I mean, I think what this type of poll shows is that Australians are doing it tough. You know, this has been a really difficult time for many Australians. We feel your pain. We understand your pain. Are you going to do anything about it when it comes to feel taxes? Of course not. No interest whatsoever. Now, again, a little more data from the news poll that we told you about first on Sunday and we're able to dig into over the past couple of days. And it is of course to do with migration. Now, the extreme majority of Australians in multiple

12:42polls from multiple media organisations have told you the same thing over and over again. Stop just to many people. Why? Because as we've gone from 18 million to 28 million, look at the roads in Victoria, look at the hospitals everywhere. We haven't matched the infrastructure. As we move towards 30 and 40 million, come on. 64% of people told the news poll via the Australian that they want fewer people coming to the country via migration. 26 say keep it the way it is. 10%. Who are the 10% apart from Treasury officials who say that we should be having more? Let's break it down in a little more detail. 39% say a lot fewer than currently. 26% say keep it as is. Fewer than now, 25%. So again, you put 25 and 39 together, you get to 64. More than now, seven, a lot more. Three. Well, regardless of how the polls feel about it, we know where the country is going and that is to have more people, more people every single year. No promise, no plan for the infrastructure, but of course,

13:48you need the taxpayers, right? Well, as I showed you last night in the Intergenerational Report, we're on our way towards close to 40 million or in fact past 40 million by the 2060s. The green you can see here is the migration part of population growth. The blue you can see at the bottom is the birth rate, which basically disappears, meaning despite the plan for even more people to be coming to the country via migration, we're still going to be in a scenario where for the next 40 years the budget will be running in a deficit. I'm going to show you these graphics a lot because I want them to be tattooed on your eyes about the state of the problem right now. And also, that if that graph was going to suddenly turn towards surpluses, well, the free advice is out there. And it's not because people are going to start small businesses and those small businesses are going to be successful. No, the suggestion is let's add even more people than the hundreds of

14:50thousands that are coming each and every year, a little more than a million that have been here since the Prime Minister came to power and the closer to two that will be here sooner rather than later. That's the reality. What do they want? They want more migration. Why? Because it is an instant taxpayer, as opposed to a baby that's born here who ends up using up the money from government when it comes to early childhood primary school, all the rest of it. So the plan, yeah, let's just keep doing more of that. In fact, more of the more please. As always, this is the show where you turn up to try to find just a little bit of detail that's something you didn't see everywhere else. I'm very much appreciate that. Morning noon or night, rain hail or shine, summer winter spring or autumn. We don't do fall on this program. I love America, but we ain't yanks. It's autumn here. And there was a little detail today that again is one of the bricks that you can put in the wall of the argument you will inevitably have with family just said, well, you're being Ray theft. When you're talking about the realities of migration, right, that the reason it is turning up at the rate

15:56that it is is because of the ready made taxpayer and the only way to guarantee that the future taxpayers can pay for the former taxpayers is just to add more and more and more. It's a Ponzi scheme, right? Now, we are constantly lectured to that any conversation at all about migration is racist because migration is focused on one thing and one thing only and that is making sure that we have the people who can do the jobs that Australia desperately needs. You know, we have a simple reality that if you're talking about building houses, 28% of people in building and plumbing workable in overseas. In the economy, one of the ways that we're dealing with that is in skilled migration. Construction apprentices and there is a responsible role for skilled migration in that as well. Well, every down then there's a little bit of information that falls out of the far right wing think tank known as the Australian Bureau of Statistics where one of the key statistics in the migrant settlement outcomes was quote, 71% of permanent migrants aged 15 to 64 held a

17:03non-school qualification in 2021. So again, we're being told that yes, that means somebody's got a taft degree, somebody's got a uni degree, but what about the other 30% and why the numbers so old here? We're looking back at 2021 as opposed to the most recent numbers. Again, just worth noticing because you learn something each and every day and you certainly hopefully learn it here each and every night. Now again, oh, this government, we're doing everything we can when it comes to the cost of living, what about petrol? Yeah, I'm going to keep talking about it because it's outrageous right now. I almost dropped a real bomb. It's outrageous right now. Now, the problems in the Middle East and that is yes, what has been driving all of this, but the problems in the Middle East mean it's going to get even more expensive. I'll show you this every night, but again, this is a little snapshot of what's happening in Sydney, what's happening in Melbourne, what's been happening in Brisbane, it's all the same up and up up up is where we go here. Yet still, Australians are

18:08being charged 52 cents per liter by the government. The government is trying to put off any help when it comes to petrol. Now remember, any help with petrol doesn't just help people that get in the car to take the kids here and there or to take themselves here and there. It helps every small business that uses a vehicle powered by petrol to be able to do their work. It also brings down the cost of transporting the things that are grown on a farm or need to be taken from dock to shop or from dock to post office and post office to your house. Fuel is in everything and while they may well have this grand dream of one day, everyone going electric and therefore petrol price completely not mattering, the reality is who knows what the EV after sales market is like, which means most likely there'll be another generation of people who kind of want a brand new car, so they buy a used car, that used car most likely to be petrol. So petrol is going to be part of the problem for a while. So the government has to cut the tax. Why? Because they did it recently. In fact,

19:12I double checked this today. Now remember, it took about a month before the government did this, they were dragged kicking and swimming. They did it when the price was $2.52. Currently we're $241, which is already higher than the number when the calls first started before the inevitable happened. Now remember, of course, they took away the concession. They put back the tax. They did that when petrol was $1.65. We are now at somewhere between 230 to 40 and if you're in diesel land, just either side of three bucks right now. And unsurprisingly, six out of 10 people disapproved of the Prime Minister, perhaps it's because they remember what he was like as the opposition leader. When he was a farmer, popular figure, from being able to point and blame the then government for every problem, including. Do you reckon Scott Morrison has been to a petrol station lately? Petrol prices are surging on his watch. The price then, as you just saw on your screen, a $79.

20:18Right now, anywhere between 230 and three bucks, depending on what you use. This needs to change. It needed to change yesterday. Under the coalition, they put a system in place that if global oil prices hit the level they are at right now, guess what automatically falls. The fuel tax. It's exactly what the government should be doing. But also speaking about fuel, when Russia attacked Ukraine years ago, one of the responses that the world had was to find a way to punish Russia because it was so clear about right and wrong. We again say to President Putin, stop this war now. We draw your forces now. This is an unprovoked attack. No one is threatening Russia. No one is threatening Russia's sovereignty. President Putin can stop this and he can stop this today and he should stop this today.

21:20It was right then and it is still right today. So the federal government, along with previous ones, which have always had some sort of a sanction against Russia, they really ramped it up and rightly so. You can go right now to the Department of Foreign Affairs and you can read it all. Let me pay attention to the bottom bit there, where there's respect restrictions on the export or supply of certain goods or the import or purchase or transport of certain goods. One of those examples is apparently a ban that Australia has on Russian oil that becomes petrol. Why? Because that petrol, that oil is helped to fund the war effort. In fact, there's other advisories about that from the Foreign Affairs Department. Now, I have spoken about this before, but I'm pleased to say that my discussions previously are still true now, which is Australia is actually finding a backdoor way of using Russian oil. What happens is that the Russian oil makes its way towards refineries in the Middle East or in Asia

22:27and then we buy it from those refineries. So I didn't steal the TV. I just bought the TV from the guy who stole it. This from Matthew Not today in the nine papers. Is it in there? The vast majority of fuel arriving in Australia from a key Asian refinery has come from Russia. The analysis has found sparking warnings that motorists and businesses are inadvertently funding Vladimir Putin's war on Ukraine. A new report from the Centre for Research and Energy in Clean Air estimates that 68% of oil exported to Australia from a refinery in Brunei in the first seven months of the year was Russian. That's up from 24% from two years ago, 24% to 68%. Now, I might blame the government for this, no, but if the government has a hard line on Russia, then our fuel supply becomes part of that hard line. Just because the Russian tanker made it somewhere else, filled a tank and then we

23:33bought from the person who empties that tank but transports it, it's still hot property. That's the reality here. Oh, and by the way, also worth noting here, that Australia is in a position to take a stand on these sorts of issues. But do I expect this government to do it as they should know? Because I'll make Chris Bowen there, of course, the climate change in energy minister. He has not heated the calls for Australia to ban slave labour being used in China to make solar panels. That's of course the claim being made by the enslaved weager people in China, something that by the way, and if you go, well, that's from 2021, what about from last year? The people who don't have the freedom to leave, the human cost of Australia's solar boom. Now, even Joe Biden, in between falling up the stairs and the dotteriness and all the rest of it, even old Joe Biden saw this and banned it in the United States. That in the United States,

24:35you cannot have solar panels or the ingredients of them that have any connection to slave labour in China. Will Australia do the same? Will Australia do the same when it comes to Russian oil? Who knows? We'll all find out together. But I think we all know. One of the ways you get a Global Citizen Award is to not upset some of the bad actors of the world. Now, speaking of Chris Bowen, last one I want to show you before we get into the discussion tonight. Four corners, last night on the ABC. Now, like a broken clock, the ABC can be right a couple of times a day, right? And they were talking to Chris Bowen. Because Chris Bowen is, of course, a massive advocate of electric vehicles. Now, I don't care about electric vehicles. Yes, my petriot. But if you want to buy one, good luck to your right. But I am one of those people who's deeply suspicious of the technology that exists in the Chinese cars. Because remember, Chinese are not a normal country. And any of the surveillance stuff, any of the cameras, any of the

25:37microphones, any of the data, well, ultimately, like with TikTok, the Chinese have to hand it over. At a point in time when the government at any one time would demand it to be, this was the entire point of the story. And to give you an idea of what they were able to do to Chinese vehicles, and we're talking about the biggest seller in BYD and the brand that the climate change minister drives, this is what they presented on the ABC last night. The car is not being hacked. All we're doing is showing what data the manufacturer can access in real time. Okay, what can you see? I can see every single system within that vehicle, everything from your driving state to the position of your seat. I can see that you don't have a passenger sitting next to you. Anything that's involved in the vehicle systems, I have real time visibility of. So can you see where I am? I can your next to the soccer academy at Centennial Park

26:43and Sydney. Wow, okay, that's a little creepy. And if that didn't freak you out enough, what can be done remotely to the car? Again, a hacker working out of the ACT worked with the ABC to illustrate that that little microphone which picks up when you want to change the song, or maybe call for roadside assistance, guess what? They can turn it on. I know where you're going. While he's hacked the car, all he's doing is replicating what could be controlled from China. He's going around around about, I guess he missed his turn. So he's going to go back down. It looks like an ANZAP parade. How about we turn on the microphone? What you're about to see is a scenario we devise to illustrate just what can be done with this kind of remote access. And don't worry, I did warn my mum. Hey Siri, call mum mobile.

27:51I'm calling mum mobile mobile. Hey mum, Angus here. Angus, how are you? Yeah, good thanks. Did you get out for coffee this morning? I certainly did. I had lovely morning in the sun, discussing books with a friend. Wow. And then because the phone call was being taped on that program, they were able to turn around and take the driver's voice saying, hey Siri, to be able to activate the phone, to be able to then ask a whole bunch of questions that helped unlock the fictitious bank account that apparently he was setting up for his mum. Frightening, right? Oh, but hang on, all the smart cars do this. Well, of course, this is part of the privacy conversation that was the wider point of the story and a wider conversation that we have to have about all the smart technologies listening to us all the time. Where's the data kept? Who, in worst case scenario, is able to get access to it? But the reason, of course, that I am slightly suspicious of the Chinese vehicles and how successful they are at not just being able to be driven all over the country,

28:55but being placed all over the country and the road map access to the cameras and the sensors, being able to turn them into sort of a mobile surveillance units, that was again the point of the story, denied, of course, by the two manufacturers that were the focus here. Chris Bowen, of course, drives one of these cars. And Chris Bowen isn't just the climate change minister. He's on the National Security Committee of Cabinet. So, imagine what he might be talking about in his car at any one time. Well, done to the ABC for hitting right between the eyes. One person who might be concerned about this is the minister for climate change and energy, Chris Bowen. He drives an X-Peng G6. You drive a Chinese EV. How do you find it? It's great. Are you comfortable then that the manufacturer X-Peng knows, for example, your home address, your real-time location, the charge on your battery, whether your alarm is off or on, whether the doors are unlocked, the position of your seat? The point I'd make angus is,

30:00whether a car is electrical or not, doesn't matter what the motor is. Car manufacturers do have access to those sorts of information increasingly, because every car now is basically connected. They're in your car. There's an electric car, there's rain in China, Korea and in United States. They're connected to the grid. So, you tell me you are not concerned that a Chinese manufacturer knows very intimate patterns of your life. I mean, most constituents of mine know where I am on most days. I think you'd be a bit dismissive of that. Well, you'd say that. This is granular detail about your life. Well, I'm comfortable with the arrangements. Well, of course, the local constituents don't have the ability to listen to the freaking microphone in your car. Again, the story is really interesting. I've given you the short version of it, but the challenge to government is to be able to work out that, yes, someone makes it, yes, someone wants to buy it, but should somebody know upfront what they are buying? Should you

31:00know in big bold letters what you are buying? Not the 535th page of terms and conditions that no one reads, because I reckon it would be a different conversation before you made the choice or not to purchase the product. For me, I'll be buying a 1983 Commodore ASAP. More in a moment here. I'm Paul Moira. Lots of discuss. Lots to talk about, including, yeah, the channel on KKK thing. How stupid was this? So ridiculous, but, you know, what a surprise. They thought in the past two weeks, if they whack her and whack her as hard as they can, guess what will happen to the polls? We guess what did happen in the polls? The exact opposite. Morning, sick. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2am, you wake up with the fever and your throats on fire. Now what?

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34:11Which was channel line going to find the KKK to see what they think about Paul Inhanson. Now, this was part of a wider program that was about Trump's America. I'm familiar with how to put such programs together, but I'm also familiar that when we were putting our one together, that we tried to avoid the cliches. Let's go and find the weirdest and the what we tried to find normal. Again, that was our whole theory, but it's pretty low-hanging for it to go. Let's go to the KKK and have them say crazy racist stuff about Trump. And then because obviously behind the scene, somebody was trying to, I don't know, somehow Paul Inhanson comes up apparently from the KKK person suggesting it because I'm presuming the four-second Google that happened beforehand. But look, you've seen it all night, but if you haven't, this was the moment that went to air. The Ku Klux Klan director brought Hanson up, unprompted, as we were preparing for our interview. She is demonized by the same element of people that once demonized us. What I understand of her

35:12is she's concerned about the immigrant, especially from Asia, China, and so on, coming into Australia and changing the racial complex of Australia, changing the culture, changing all the things that the people love and hold dear and changing to something different. And she wants to restrict that. Is it hotening for you to see someone like him? Anti-immigration, Paul Inhanson doing well in Australia. Yeah, it's a curaging, absolutely. Now, let's say the view is the obvious here, right? Which is, I don't think that should have happened, right? Obviously, it was an attempt to try to create a moment. And then there'll be high-fiving because they've created a moment. Paul Inhanson didn't take it lying down. She shoved back pretty hard, particularly when it came to socials here. So, Stephen Conroy is a person who has no plans of voting or supporting one nation anytime soon. Helple hurt this sort of nonsense. Well, Paul Inhanson's made a career of playing the victim. So, this is playing into her hands again. I mean, this is a bloke, I think I saw an Andrew Bob show earlier, that has actually talked about

36:18Paul Inhanson in a 2017 interview done by Channel 9. So, this is a bloke that obviously knows of Hanson. But for people to then try and say that she has clu-clux, clannies, policies, or values, it's just a waste of time and space. Ask her about a policy. Ask her to explain how policy is going to work. I mean, you saw the shambles for a couple of weeks where they couldn't even define what their policy was. And they had three or four different policies. I mean, they've settled now on a position. But just ask her questions about a policy. Don't let her play the victim. Don't let her pretend you're suddenly attacking me because I'm Paul Inhanson. No. You're advocating to be prime minister of Australia. We're entitled to ask you those questions. Oh, don't give her the victim status that she seeks to put on herself at all times. Well, we're going to talk about get up because whether they are going to play right into this or not, we'll get into in a second. Christy, again, I mean, I thought it was very clever to have heard a responders aggressively she

37:21did about all of this. Again, you know, they didn't send a dude from Australia there. It was a guy who already works there, but they were going for the low hanging fruit. How does this hurt her? I don't think it does hurt. I'm completely agree with Steven. This gives her an opportunity to do a number of things. The first thing is to say, look at that mainstream press. Don't listen to the traditional media. They just want to spread hate about me and everybody who supports me. The second thing is at Rebridge, when we have looked into the, you know, the tribe of one nation and what people particularly think about Pauline, my colleague Alex Fein did some incredible work around how people bond to Pauline Hanson. Unlike other politicians in Australia, they view her as she's a personal friend. She's one of us. And, you know, Jenna Runthart giving her a plane or the media attacking her, they just think, well, they would do that because she's one of us.

38:21She's a normal person. No wonder one of us who become successful gets attacked in this way. They almost have this parasocial relationship. Well, and again, I've talked about it here, about when the union movement was lining up and going after industrial relations, yet there's clearly a little bit of movement there from those labour-one nation curious people, right? But this sort of personal gear, which is all sort of fun, lights up blue sky, no, thank you. Michelle Bullock, yet again, kind of giving us the idea of a couple more rate rises. Now, politically, that's going to be massive problems for the government, but more importantly, for the third of the country that's trying to pay off a house. Like, can you, a more frustrating message at all that we got from the Reserve Bank Governor today, rather tape? I'm not signaling anything. I'm only one person on the board, so I can't tell you what, what the board will want to do. The only thing we've been doing in the past few weeks is we highlighted, after our most recent meeting, that we felt that the inflation risks were skewed

39:22to the upside. But you also build the cat, which was, prices will never go down. It is all now just a conversation about by the margin by which they continue to go up. Yet, the only button they have is the one that they look like they're going to push another couple of times, which, Christie, I don't quite understand, because again, the people that it punishes are the people who theoretically have already received 15 increases in the interest rates and who are right on the limit. And people are feeling it, Paul. Yeah, bloody ass. You know, people who are traditional sort of working class, for want of a better word, because I don't believe in that term, right? Have been feeling it for quite some time. People who have an average mortgage in Sydney and Melbourne now, you know, Sydney's 1.6 Melbourne, I think, is 1.2 might be falling a little bit. They're stretching to the limit if you've got kids. And making a pretty good income in this country, you are still feeling incredibly poor. Productivity is very low. In fact, you're still trying to track high. And that's why you've got one nation out there saying, hey, you can dip into your super.

40:26Correct. And you've got the coalition, although they haven't set it for a while, and I don't know why not, I've been saying, hey, we think, you know, young first home buyers can dip into this, but, oh, hey, what about bracket creep? We're in the... The nice if they mentioned the bracket creep, the single most popular thing that came out of the damn budget, but yeah, that's an option. That's not just started on the message game. So, Labor not managing inflation. You can talk about the inflation with the bracket creep, but they don't do it. But people are stretched and it is coming for Labor out there in the community. It may not be baseball bat yet, but I can tell you this, the cost of living and the disgruntlement to the Waziaubanese government is feeding into our polling in Victoria. Oh, yeah. It is making a dent in the Labor brand. Now, the Victorian Labor Party have done enough work on themselves for that brand to be toast, right? There's more pot-holed road for them in that. Right? So, I'm not, you know, they've done enough of that. They've lifted their heavy load there. But the federal upset, the cost of living and the

41:32changes to the CGT and the negative garing, that is eating the Labor brand as well. There is a sentiment out there. It might be a little bit on the back burner, but it's coming. That's the only thing I just said. I don't want to get to smart cars in a second here, so Steven, can you save it to the usual five-minute round about the... You reserved bank. Just give me the bumper sticker version. Yeah. So, look, I agree with most of what Christy just said there. I think very, very valid points. The reserve bank, Michelle Bullock's actually said it, but I think unemployment's got to hit close to five percent. Now, that's just not an acceptable statement from Reserve Bank Governor. I mean, these are people's lives she's playing with. Absolutely. These are people's lives. She's going to be putting people on the unemployment list. They're going to lose their house and they've done nothing wrong. There is no wage explosion. It's like the Loch Ness Monster, the Reserve Bank looking for a wage explosion. They were at it again the last week or two. You know, she keeps talking about it. It's never happened. It's never arrived and it's not going to arrive. So, stop blaming the people

42:36at the bottom end, bottom half of the economy. This is driven by profits of companies. It's driven by unfortunately Donald Trump's failed execution of his war in the Middle East. It's driven by the who he's cutting off the Saudis and some government by the Russians and the Ukrainians. And it's not driven by workers in this country. So, stop pretending. It's the some wage explosion as an excuse for what you're about to do to these people. Now, again, I've got Nigel Farage standing by, but I do just want to get again, just a little taster from both of you about this smart car stuff. Again, four corners last night. The story was phenomenal. I showed the shorter version here, the idea that Chris Bowen, oh, well, everyone knows where I am. No one can they can't hack into the microphone in your car. The overall point being, right, to me, the overall point being, Steven, that we have to keep right up with the standards to go, okay, if you're going to buy this stuff, you need to know all of this is what comes with when you buy. Well, nine out of ten people say, I don't care. I got nothing to hide. Sure. But people need to know that these possibilities exist

43:39and there's a difference between a Chinese home product and an American home product. I wouldn't buy a Chinese car if you paid me, Paul. That's probably the simplest answer to say. I wouldn't trust them. I don't want them going through my life. I mean, yes, the American companies aren't much better, but they're just doing it for profit. The Chinese want to surveil you and use it against you. Not a great distinction, but I'll stick with our system rather than me. So these fine splitting of hairs of which I completely agree with, just living when it comes to this and our own. That's the lesser of the two evil, Steven. Yeah, correct. They're both fine, but which one I appreciate. Thank you guys. Not just for us. He joins us next. So much to discuss with him about broken Britain, about how to fix it and about how to call out the BS that is growing there by the day. The great man. Next on Paul Marie Law. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you

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46:44believe how dumb the Labor Party could be, right? When supposedly they've just had a big reset and they're ready and it's about the man from the north and the north and all the rest of it are right and I'm different. I don't do press conferences at the front of number 10. I do them in the backyard of number 10. Okay, that'll change the world. He gets asked a question about the EU. And Raman saying no, go away, no way. That's dealt with. See you later. He leaves the damn door open. Yep, he certainly does. Just as, you know, Kier Starmel was talking about resets and closer alignment and Burnham's gone a whole step further and it just goes to show with that, with him bringing the ridiculous giveaway of the Chegos Islands to Mauritius or China really. But actually, this Prime Minister, who was going to be the most revolutionary Prime Minister in 40 years, fundamentally going to change everything actually is now a continuity, Labor Prime Minister, going back to all the old ideas that failed totally and miserably. And here he is this week

47:48at the United Nations with his fellow globalists and no doubt in his element. We are going to see no change from this man at all. We have deteriorating public finances, nothing's getting better. And he might smile a lot. He might have better PR than Kier Starmel, but frankly, it's more of the same. 100%. I've got to ask you again, sort of one off the top of the head here about the EU, which was, you see a couple of weeks ago, Canada with associate membership, right? Now, hopefully, that doesn't mean that any of the stupid decisions the EU binds Canada, but the idea of trying to form a closer relationship with such a massive trading partner for the United States. I was not frightened, but I just was utterly surprised that a country that whose political leadership has got such advantage out of Trump's comments about the 51st state and turning them in, you know, not a Prime Minister or a Governor would do anything to seem like it was anything other than a country on its own to feed instead. Normal people don't know the distinction between

48:52full membership and associate membership of Canada and the EU. What do you think of that? Well, it's almost like a surrender, isn't it? Oh dear, America's threatened us, so let's go and join another club. Rather than we're Canada, we'll make our own way. It's the basic sovereignty point. No association with the European Union does not involve a loss of sovereignty in some way, whether it's standardising rules, laws, whatever it may be. But that's Mark Carney all over. I mean, he was Governor of the Bank of England during the Brexit campaign, urging us to stay in. All his instincts are globalist. All his instincts are fundamentally against the nation's state really counting and really meaning very much. So yeah, I think it's a very, very bad error. And frankly, all it does is to further antagonise an American president who does whatever you think of his decisions, but he does believe a nation's state very, very strongly and he hates the whole

49:53concept of European Union. Now, I mean, so much is always made about how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom would get along with the US president, the special relationship, obviously the ex-factors of whether it's a Trump or a Biden, whether it's a Bernamora Farage right, but you must see things like that the UN General Assembly or an EU gathering or a G8 or a G20, and you see the way they all interact with each other right. And obviously, there's that interpersonal kindness, which you obviously would extend to everyone. You're a very charming chap, but give us a little insight into, would you bring swagger to the world stage on the behalf of the UK, a skepticism, a want to go one-on-one rather than sort of the group photos? When you think about Prime Minister Farage potentially, what's he like on things like the United Nations stage? Well, swagger's a mistake. I mean, swagger is not what the Brits do, but self-confidence.

50:53That's what we want to see. We want to see a Prime Minister who exhibits self-confidence, who shows that he or she are not out of their depth, prepared to play the game with the family photographs or whatever it may be, but actually wanting pretty intense one-on-one negotiations. And this meeting that'll take place later today between Bernam and Trump couldn't come at a more important time. You know, the world is in a very, very dangerous place. We've got an American president saying things about Ireland, saying things about the Falkland Islands that are really problematic, and I'm going to say to you, you know, I mentioned this last week, if Bernam sits there and says, we're going to pay to give the Chegos Islands to Mauritius, and given that Mauritius is absolutely being controlled by China, I think Trump will erupt. He'll erupt because Diego Garcia

51:54is strategically the most important military-based America has in the world. And my advice to the Prime Minister would be, drop the Chegos deal, give Trump something at the start of the negotiation, and then he'll start to give back. That's how business people work. You give me something, I'll give you something. Well, here's the problem. There's actually no one these days who goes to represent our country has ever been in business, has ever been part of negotiations and understands human psychology. You're dealing with an American president, but you're dealing with a dealmaker, a master point. Get him in there. Get him in there now. All right, but I will wait and see whether it's an early election or one in a couple of years' time. I love that. It's one of the swagger's the wrong approach. It's beautifully said that's not what the Brits do. Classes, what they do and you are all classed. Appreciate it. Thank you, Nigel. Thank you. Is it good, man? Nigel, for our, you can see him on the JB News, of course, or of course, every now and then you get a scene pop up and ask a question in Prime Minister's questions, getting a bit of line and lengthing before it would be him, the one answering them after the next

52:57election. That's what the polls tell us. Quick break back with more. Before we're done, like to batten a few minutes time, what have they done on social media today? The politicians show these frugly people. You pay for it, and I show it because I try to have a laugh at them. Before we go, what did they do while you were working? Well, of course, nothing apart from dumb social media videos like this. The member for Ben Along. Why don't scientists trust Adams? Why? Because they make up everything. What do you call a fake noodle? What? An impasto. Thanks a little bit for me. A little bit for me. A little bit for me. Karin Monholand is a Labour Senator, and what did she do while you were working today? If are you okay, Dave? And I thought I would check in on some of the people in my Facebook comments. Sonny says, you've got more roles than a Michelin man, you fat mole. I mean, could have been answering letters from constituents, or dare I say meeting them? No,

54:01no, I've got a video to mark. The reading bad twigs thing was a boring thing 10 years ago when Jimmy Kimmel was doing it. 2026 boring now. So you get to Morro, where I special guest is Megan Kelly.