Pettiness, F1, and Barber

0:00Oh, could this vintage store be any cuter? Right. And the best part? They accept Discover. Accept Discover? In a little place like this? I don't think so, Jennifer. Oh yeah, huh. Discover's accepted where I'd like to shop. Come on, baby. Get with the times. Right. So we shouldn't get the parachute pants? These are making a comeback. I think. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. Based on the February 2025 Nilsen report. Walmart Express Delivery can get what you need delivered in as fast as an hour. Whether it's baby formula when you're down to the last scoop, pet food before the bowl runs empty, batteries for a dead remote, or a last minute gift, it is handled. Try Walmart Express Delivery today and get free delivery with promo code Express. Promotion valid for first Express Delivery Order, $50 minimum, subject to availability, restrictions apply. This is off track. This is Tim Petty King.

1:01Petty King. Yeah. Let's put the kids to calling it these days. Oh, yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. I mean, in so many words. Yeah. I feel like I didn't do anything you guys haven't done or similar to what you guys have done. You have people just roll over here. I'm kind of nervous, but I don't want anybody. Yeah. Yeah. I've only ever given like a one-star Uber review. I've got a few one-star Uber reviews as a result of having you in the car. Oh, no. Alex, tell your Uber. What have I done? Uh-huh. No, but that sounds awesome. I do. Yeah. I mean, that's that's the day I dropped from a 5.0 Uber rating. I had a 5.0 and then Becky had access to my account when we were living in LA for Dancing with the Stars

2:03and evidently she was not a great passenger a couple of times because my rating went down to like four, six and I've been working hard to get it back. I wonder what it is now. This is a fun. This is always a fun thing. Who do you think amongst the three of us? Who has the lowest? Oh, definitely me. This will surprise you guys. I haven't I've never had five stars. No, that does not surprise me. I was going to say it now. Actually, I'm a 4.78 of 4.92. Oh, damn, that's really good. Oh, shoot. I'm 4.90. I'm working my way back up. I'm working my way back up. All right. Despite this is best efforts. Whatever you guys. So how's everybody doing again? Better because I'm not as petty as you. Wow. I mean, I'm fine. Yeah. See, Tim's in a lucky situation where like there's a lot. It's a it's a buyer's market in LA right now. And so he's got a lot of options.

3:04I know he's not you're not buying. You're renting, right? Renting. Yeah. But so there's a lot of rental options out there. So he could afford to be super petty on this one deal. They started it. They started. I'm just kidding. I actually agree with you. They they I think they were not very forthcoming and they were ill intentioned. And I don't like that. After having just had I was just telling Tim Alex. I had a very unfortunate exchange with a customer service representative from Best Buy after a big screw up on their part. So I was talking about this with somebody else. Like we're so set up for failure because the people who are making the policies that are infuriating are not the people you deal with. It's like you're just it's like impotent rage and you're you're mad at somebody who's not the reason why you're mad, right? And then you just feel like and look, I want to defend myself a little bit here because you know, like I would never get mad at it like a check in agent because of a flight delay or something

4:05like that, right? I'm very acutely aware of whose responsibilities are what in a situation, right? Why I got frustrated in this particular one is this person could not understand the even the scenario. I'm like, this happened, not your fault. I get that, but like this is this and this is that. And she goes, so this, no, okay, let's try again. And we had to go through this eight or nine times very patiently before I was like, I just don't know how to discuss this with you any further because you clearly you're not getting the scenario at all. Like I get I'm not blaming you for anything other than having no concept of what I'm asking at this point. So, but yeah, best way I can go. It's self. Yeah, we're all having days. We're all in good moods today. Well, good moods. You know, you know what I attributed to. I keep it and I know I'm not a superstitious person. And I know you're not either James. Hell yeah. Afternoon. That's how I do. You have.

5:05I keep a $2 bill in my wallet. I don't know why it's just always kind of been there. Okay. Cause that's all you had. I had to I had I was running late to an appointment on Monday. And this is a weird thing. But if you are donating blood at Cedar Sinai Valley parking is free. And so I took advantage of the valley parking, but I didn't have anything to tip the valet guy except for the $2 bill. I gave him the $2 bill as a tip. And I was like, sorry, it's all I got everything's been since it turns out that was a load bearing $2 bill in my life. Everything's weird. It's weird. It's weird because $2 bills are really a thing. Well, the valley is probably like, is this fake? I'm going to the bank after this to go get a $2 bill. I just feel like as your life been that lucky to warrant the use. I've had some good luck.

6:07I was on a good streak the last couple of weeks. I feel like. All right. Interesting. Look, it's all relative. Right. I mean, very, very, very lucky compared to a lot of people in the world. So yeah. I'm not complaining. I'm not complaining. Few minor roblox, but like, you know, that's part of it. Hey, Tim, what are you? What's on your wrist? Nothing. What are you wearing there, pal? Is your hospital bracelet? No, it was a watch. Rolex. What are you talking about? That was why are you? I love watches. I am so happy to see you wearing that thing. I know that you have it. And I know that you don't often wear it. And I'm like super excited that you were wearing. I might be. I might be jumping. God, I might be touring apartments that are a little outside of my range and I'm trying to project. I absolutely love that.

7:10I want to give you so much of this to wear. No, you can't do that. I hate you. Can't do that. I'm so proud of you. But you wear that thing. That is you. That is your what? You own that thing. Hey, Alex, you feel like I feel like you've got something to say about this. You seem perturbed. Not perturbed. Just John floor speechless. Incredible. Alex, you were. Look, so before we get into your day, I don't have anything anywhere near interesting compared to you two idiots. Well, that's why I don't even talk about my day. What about your, but you're you weren't you in the semi yesterday? I was. Okay, we'll talk about that when we're getting to Barbara. We're going back in time. We're going to cover a seabring. Did you watch the seabring 12 hour at all? I didn't even know what was happening. Wow. Wow.

8:10Wow. Okay. Well, that's fair. I was kind of busy. You were busy on the weekend. That is totally fair. You were out of town. I do want to fill you in on something. So I was I was home. Not at seabring for the first time in a couple years, which was, you know, nice unfortunate, but it was nice. Nice. Yeah. You know, they're pros and cons. I do love driving race cars, but I got a lot of **** down on the weekend. So it was really nice to be home. But because I was just working around the house, I literally had either like a TV in the room on or my iPad, you know, with me, basically watching the entire I watched almost the entire seabring 12 hour like on in the background loser. Right. And I got to say it was it was the most boring seabring 12 hour I think in history. Porsche Penske just like for a series with POP. It's insulting what they did. Like, they were just so much, but like they've obvious. They've either figured out how to just like trick.

9:14The BOP formula or they're just so much better. It doesn't matter. What you do. you've been in this situation before when you were run in with Wayne Taylor and you guys were just executing at a high level and they kept BOP in the car and it's like, no, it's not the car. We're just doing a better job. They did such a good job. Like you watch the onboards from that race, man. Like, so they just ran one to the whole day. They just ran nose to tail the whole day, right? Unchallenge at any point after like hour two. The amount of fuel and energy they were saving for an entire stint and still just pulling away from people. And if they then had to actually push for a lap or two, like the pace that they had in hand was comical. So there was even a late restart and it didn't matter. It did nothing. It was, there's nothing fun about it. There's nothing cool. None of the normal drama used to sing in seabring. So congrats to Porsche Penske because it was an absolute

10:17thrashing. I haven't seen anything like that in an endurance race in a long time. However, I don't know if you read up on it afterwards, which I know you didn't. But apparently there was some like team order, not respected, I guess. Between the two. So yeah. So like I guess Nazar pulled off a pass and the last stint that he wasn't supposed to do. There's supposed to just like hold station or something. And in a press conference. So they're sitting next to each other. I forget who was driving at the end and the other car. But basically called them out. It's been like, yeah, there was an order from pit lane. That was completely ignored. And then I didn't have a chance to like fight them back or whatever, whatever. And Nazar was just like, well, I'm not going to get into what was said. But I'm here to race and I want, you know, I'm here to win. And that's what we did for the team and for the manufacturer. Interesting take. But you don't know any like it wasn't like some lunge. It was it was it was Nazar, right? So like it was it was yeah, he went for it in a way. But it was just interesting that that two

11:21teammates has some sort of team orders rule that was broken. It would seem, but obviously the team's not made any statements on it. But you didn't watch that. So not much you can add. I don't know. Did you watch China? Last weekend. Did I watch China last weekend or like the recap post our Arlington weekend? China and Arlington. Yeah. So I did watch. I watched the Sprint race and qualifying. I didn't watch the race race. Okay. Makes it hard to get too deep into that. Even though he's never talked about that. Yeah. I mean, you know what? Just tell us about it. Yeah, the big thing is is like it was nowhere near as stupid as Australia, right? So so the new cars were not as bad as as everybody was afraid of. Correct. The racing was still a little bit of the, you know, they called the yo yo racing, right? Like one guy uses all his

12:22energy on one straight and the other guy uses on the next straight to get him back and whatever the same team still kind of dominated with a one-two finish. There's a lot of things that were similar, but it seemed a lot easier to manage energy and you didn't have as much of this like weird derading and super clipping at the end of the straights. You still had to do in qualifying which is something they have to address for sure. But I think a lot of people left that race with not as bad a taste in their mouth as Australia. Guys like for SAP and are still like if you think this is real racing, you don't know what real racing is or you're not a real fan of the sport. But it begs this question, right? If there were 120 overtakes compared to like 42 overtakes the year before. At what point is it we have to list and let's say the fans like it, right? Let's say the fan base has evolved in a way that they want to see more action. They want to see less stagnant, processional races. Who's right? Are the drivers right? Because like 18 out of 20 of them

13:24right now are like, yeah, these rules still kind of suck and need some tweaking. Or is it the tens of millions of people tuning in that are like, no, we like this action. It's fun to watch. Are tens of millions of people saying that? Because I don't think that's the case. I think that after trying it, look, in my opinion, it's too early to make a decision either way, right? To like say whether it's good or it's bad. Like we've had two races. That's not anywhere near enough of a sample size to really get a sense of things. But I think there are diehard fans that kind of think it's stupid in the way the drivers do. But then I also think that there's a not insignificant number of fans that are kind of like digging the back and forth a little bit. I don't know that I've seen anything on the internet that suggests that that is true. Because the back and forth, as we've talked about, is so artificial. It's not even interesting. It's not a mist like the whole concept of why motor sports is entertaining to watch is you get to see

14:25someone really expose themselves in dirty air and generate a run and then have to make a committed move to pass someone in a breaking zone or around the outside of a high-speed corner or something like that. And these moves are telegraphs so early that it's not even like something that's worth defending. So I don't think that people are enjoying that because it's not. It's like people only watch hockey and soccer, not only. But the excitement of hockey and soccer is that the moments where a goal happens, right? The rest of the match in the game is like a lot of like back and forth. If those goals were like just in quick succession back and forth, then it would take the joy out of it. So what if we watch basketball? Well, it's a very different sport. It's a fast pace sport that is you score to a hundred and thirty points. Yeah. So then why is it exciting if everybody's just getting baskets all the time? I don't think you can compare a five on five person

15:30ball sport on a small court to motor sports. You just compare it to hockey. I see your point, but I'm just trying to think of the other side of it, right? I mean, because it takes effort to score baskets or it doesn't take effort to score goals. No, it doesn't take effort to deploy through a hundred more horsepower than the car in front of you and drive by them. Okay. So yes, I get that. Don't disagree. The thing about China was what you saw was a few examples of where because of the ability to just hit a button that gives you an insane amount more power, drivers were using it in places that you weren't expecting it. And you know, you could look at DRS. You could look at the last 15 years or whatever we've had DRS. And basically be like, all right, I know we're 85 to 90% of the passes in this race are going to happen. They're going to happen at the end of one of those strengths. Now that's not necessarily the case. Like, yes, if you have a guy that's got

16:34less energy and you're in the boost mode or overtake mode range, whatever you're still within that one second, you get that extra bit of power. Yes, you're going to do yo-yo on the straights, for sure. And the closing rates are insane if it's like that. And so yes, it's not a difficult pass. But there are other times where like you're coming out of a corner in a sequence of corners. And if you just squeeze the trigger at the right time, you get a run that the guy's expecting all of a sudden, it's an interesting battle. But that's not how it works. No, but that's that's what we saw a bit of in China as well, I'm saying. I don't I don't think that is. Grants, I didn't watch the race, but the boost, no, but I understand how the regulation works. Yeah. The overtake boost mode is not effective until you're at 280 kilometers an hour. And then every kilometer pass that starts derating the car in front, whereas the car behind doesn't get derated. Right. So if there's a pass going from let's say at China turn three to turn four, that's not because someone

17:34had boost mode or not. That's just because they got a better run. And they were a better car, just like you would have in normal racing. So like the overtake mode, the DRS replacement is still only effective in those exact places because even if you press it out of a slow speed corner, there's no difference in power. Okay, but there is boost mode, which is accessible at any point during the lap. So you can use it. Yes, there's overtake mode and there's boost mode. There are different things. Well, again, we're getting into an even bigger problem, which is the rules are too complicated. But it does lead to some interesting places where you guys can try to make passes that you wouldn't have otherwise tried to do it. So then okay, where you twist a bit and you think your heart like you're like, it's a good point to harvest because no one's going to make a pass here. And while you're harvesting, some guy to squirts his button and oh, he's right beside you going into a corner, you weren't expecting him to be at. Like Hamilton did this in China. It was pretty fast standing to watch. So the real question at

18:35the end of the day becomes is it about is is formula one about being the pinnacle of technology, which it kind of always has been. And the best team driver combination, finding a way to exploit those rules and that technology to the greatest degree and cross the finish line first. Is that the goal? Or is the goal for it to be the quote unquote purest form of racing is the goal to have the most overtakes and have it, you know, be the most exciting. What is the goal? What makes it formula one? Right? Because it's always been an entertainment property, which it still has to be. But part of that sales pitch is that it's the pinnacle technology. And like do these to have active suspension and ABS brakes and traction control. And that was in the heyday. That's when you had Prost and Senna and Mansell and all these people who are considered legends and the cars almost drove themselves. These things are hard to drive

19:39because they're so complicated and complex. Is that better or worse? I guess, I guess when you compare formula one and its current state to all other forms and motor sports, it is in every which way still the pinnacle and still the most technological advanced cars, fastest cars, coolest tracks, best manufacturers and drivers and everything. And what goes along with that, regardless of the regulation, is the highest level of the sport is achieved at Formula One, where I think this current state is a difficult pill to swallow is because Formula One of the past five years, albeit for four of those five years fairly boring, you had such an incredible level of car and performance that when you take a step down from that, it feels like a massive

20:47regression. But in the broader terms of motor sports, it's not. But I think it's just this is everyone is missing not everyone. There's there's a big chunk of people that are missing what Formula One used to be because again, I don't know that we've made the racing particularly any better. There's potentially more action is going to say what defines better, right? Is more passes better. I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm saying these are the questions I need to be asked. And like for to your point about performance, right real quick, Google what the difference in the pull time was between the Chinese Grand Prix in 2026 versus 2025. Do you know the answer? I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I think I read this somewhere, but I want you to double check. Okay, what do you think it was? I think it was less than two seconds. Yes, it was. So one and a half seconds. So in it for the difference of a second and a half, we're not we're

21:48not talking about a visual difference in performance, right? They're doing it differently. They're going faster in the streets and slower in the corners, but the lap times pretty close. I guess second and a half could be a bit of track temperance and crosswind in a Formula One car, right? Like we saw six times difference between two and three. You don't think it looks you don't think it looks visually different. It looks visually different because they're going slower in the corners, but they're going faster in the streets, right? So I mean, we could have cars that just V maxed 300 kilometers an hour in corner to every corner flat out because they had tons of downforce. Is that visually better? Is that a better race? Right? This is this is the debate. And look, I'm I think the one thing everybody universally agrees on is that having to lift and coast in qualifying is garbage, right? It's absolutely garbage. So they have to figure that out because qualifying is supposed to be driving on the absolute limit and like lifting and coasting in a corner doesn't really. Yes, you still have to take your package and get it around the track faster than anybody else. I get that, but that's not what drivers want to do. And I don't think that's what fans want to see. So that one there seems to be a bit of a, you know, some some unity on the

22:53racing itself. I feel like it's a harder one to figure out. Now, again, I'm still the opinion that we are two races into it now 22 race schedule. There's a lot of places that we have to go to, I think before you can make a really educated decision on what to do about these regulations. Are they perfect as they are? No, I don't think anybody thinks that. But how much they want to change them, I think is is still very much a big topic. So as we go to, if they've got Suzuki coming up this weekend, based on that track layout, is that there's not a ton of big breaking opportunities there? No, but they'll just regen it full throttle through all of the s's. All the fast stuff. Yeah. So then if everybody's kind of close on energy, it'll just come down more of car performance and less power unit performance in theory. Except for when you have 400 more horsepower than the car in front of you going into 130R. Do you imagine that would be bad? That would be bad. That's what's going to happen. Yeah, you don't want to not do that. You don't want to stay a little bit

23:54of juice before you get to 130R. But you can't. So that's what's so dumb. That's what I hate. I hate, I hate how it's such a big difference as the velocity of the car goes up. Like that's that's what I just I guess was changed. How do you mean the biggest power delta difference is at the highest speed in overtake mode? Oh, yes, sorry. And so that's that I think is just why this looks so silly is because it's and I'm not exaggerating when I say 400 horsepower. It's like 360 horsepower difference. Yeah. And so it's just like that's where there's not even there's no strategy to that. You just drive around the car. You can't defend it. You can't just drive around them. The strategy is in having more battery than the other guy. It's not at like the traditional race craft sense of car placement. And yet, how do you defend and but you don't have more battery? Well, you still have to because you can be within the overtake mode range. But if

25:00you haven't saved enough battery to use it, I understand. But my point is you would never use it when you're within a second because you know that you're going to have this like that would never be the case, which is why you see so much flip flop back and forth because the car in front is not going to try and defend against 360 horsepower deficit. And the car behind isn't going to use the battery prior to that point knowing that they're going to get into 360 horsepower advantage, which is the problem. So there's no strategy to that. I guess there's some strategy to the boost mode as you talked about. I didn't realize there was that aspect of it as well. For example, with DRS, right, and the hybrid systems, you could choose to all right, I know this car is within a second of me. I'm going to make sure that I turn off where I don't deploy through two-thirds of the lap and blow all of my battery down the backstreet in this DRS zone, which is the number one passing opportunity. And you would potentially have a sliver of an opportunity to defend yourself against

26:01the DRS. As it is now, you don't have a sliver of opportunity and you wouldn't defend yourself against it anyways because you know on the next straight, you're going to have that 340 60 horsepower advantage. So why would you bother? So then that's why you get this just this dumb yo-yo effect of there's no strategy to that. It's just it's literally mushrooms and mario cart, which is what I think is the problem. Yeah. Right. So how do you make the gap? Maybe this is all solely a difference of just reduce the performance advantage that overtake provides. Instead of being whatever it is, the 280 kilowatts, 300 kilowatts, make it half that. And so then there is maybe some incentive for the car in front to deploy some energy to cover them off at the end of the straight or the car. The closing rate comes at the end and they have to make a bit of a lunge, right? Why does it have to be such a massive margin? Because you want to

27:03have some level of defense available to you for the car in front, which is what makes good racing. It makes car placement important. It makes, you know, deciding to use a little bit here to hopefully cover yourself off by the end of the straight like because but as it is right now, I just don't see that happening. So that's that's my issue with it. It's just you know I'll end on this. You know that if you're within a second of the car in front of you, you've got the past done and you don't have to do anything else like your job's done. Right. And that's what's done. At least with DRS, they tried to make the zones a length that it was still, you know, you weren't just driving. You had to have some talent. You had to execute to make it happen. Now you can literally sip your espresso and just blow by the guy and it's like, well, we'll see how see other race turns out in Japan. See if it's any different. When you invest with Fidelity Go, it does all the work for you. So while Fidelity Go monitors the

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29:06Yeah, and it sounds pretty good, right? Discoverers accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide based on the February 2025 Nilsen report. Walmart Express delivery can get what you need delivered in as fast as an hour. Whether it's baby formula when you're down to the last scoop, pet food before the bowl runs empty, batteries for a dead remote, or a last minute gift. It is handled. Try Walmart Express delivery today and get free delivery with promo code Express. Promotion valid for first Express delivery order, $50 minimum, subject to availability, restrictions apply. Unfortunately, there's no Indie car races coming up to talk about. Well, relaxed him. We're going to cover Nashville. So Nashville. No, actually, no way. There's Barbara shoot. I forgot. So yeah, Barbara's coming up. I guess I'll have to push Nashville to next week. Alex, your favorite, your favorite tracks coming up. How is feeling? We're not going to Portland yet. Oh, okay. Is Portland like officially replaced, Barbara? Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay.

30:10Let's get. So your second favorite track, second favorite track. Yeah, I'm excited to get to the first road course of the year. You know, I'm, I'm a little, I'm a little over the the street course red tire and the red tire rule. Even though we've only done two of them, it's a little annoying. So yeah, I'm excited that it's going to be the street course thing for the whole season. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, they could change it if of enough people complained, but that's true. I don't know if people are complaining though. I don't think enough to change it. So anyways, maybe if you were as petty as James or I, maybe, maybe, looking forward to getting into a road course, I think that we were pretty strong there last year. Finished eight, maybe could have been a bit higher. There's some, some things have gone differently throughout the race. So we've got a good car. The weather looks beautiful.

31:15So yeah, that's all I really had to say about Barbara. You simmed there yesterday. I did. Yeah. Just pounding around virtual rock, pounding many rock, pounding, pounding, many pixel pixelated rock. Yes. So you guys have made big steps on street courses. You've made steps on short ovals. Do we think some of this still applies some of the stuff applies on the road courses? And that's why we're excited to get there. Or is it excited to find out? I don't know that we've made big steps on road courses. I just know that this was one of our better road courses last year. So I think we'll still be, we'll still be strong. Like nothing's changed. And hopefully we can go a bit better than ninth and sixth, which has been our last two results. But who knows? Your last two results at Barbara of the year of the year. Yeah. So I just said eight. Who do we think's going to be strong other than Polo? Cause let's tell us spade, spade. Um, who do I think will be strong other

32:19than Polo? Uh, and Freddie historically has been pretty good there. Get nasty aside from Polo has not really been good there. You say that. But he's good. Dickson's best average finish of any track that Indy car races on. He's never won there. But he's had nine podiums and 15 starts six second places. And that's interesting. Twice. Yeah. So are going to ask you not good there? I don't know. I just, I guess compared to, I guess compared to everywhere else. But you just don't right. And circle this one is like a grassy track. And as he's strong there, he has like seven wins or whatever. Right. Yeah. So I think big shocker. I think and ski can ask Andrea are going to be, you know, the best cars. Do McLaren have a shot? I mean, patty did win there in 23, whatever it was. Reenus was on pole. It was kind of a strange year. But I don't think so. I don't think so. I think McLaren is is really hit and miss there. Um, they have years where they nail it. And it's, uh,

33:25it really suits their car, which is a very particular car. And then there's other years where they go there with that car that was on pole or won the race. And it's like B 13. So, so no, so no too much of a shot in the dark. Hmm. Anything else to expect new from Fox? Not this weekend. Um, you know, a lot of our efforts are already kind of gearing towards May and the 500 and some of what happens in the working on, which 500. Oh, sorry. Um, the one in Indianapolis. Um, so like the, the one at IU, like the, yeah, it's called it was called a little five. Oh, the bike. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the big, the big one, the big greater in theapolis area. Yeah. Um, there is one thing though that were hopefully going to test this weekend that is a bit of a preview for something we've got coming in May. That's super cool. I don't want to say it. Just in case like we're going to test it for sure in the background. And if it works, we'll put it on air. But, um, TBD on that we shall see,

34:32uh, it could be super cool if it all comes together. Um, so excited to get to play with that potential toy. And honestly, man, like, it's going to be, I'm not going to lie, it's going to be kind of weird. I'm just going to say this, this sounds dramatic. And Alex, you might do what you do when I say this. But like, it's going to be kind of weird going there with no Mr. Barbara. It's like super sad that Mr. Barbara passed away. Um, we always got to see him and, and hang out with him a little bit on the weekends, uh, you know, since a bit on the TV side. And what he's built there and, you know, what he's done for the sport and what he's done for the area. You know, his incredible collection and just, yeah, just everything, man, it's, um, he is left behind a hell of a legacy in, in motorsport sense. And, you know, luckily, I, I feel like he's one of those, he's one of those leaders that the people that worked with him, you could see how they

35:35looked at him, how they talked about him, how they talked to him. They really, really respected and idolized this guy. And I think a lot of what made him so good at what he did and made him so successful, a lot of those traits have really bled into the people that he works with. So it's not one of these situations where you sometimes, you know, a person who built something moves on or passes on. And the thing starts to change and kind of fall apart. I really don't see that happening with Barbara. I think the ethos that that George Barbara kind of lived by and built that place with, uh, lives on. And, uh, it hopefully continue to be phenomenal, phenomenal, little racetrack for Alex to go driving circles around with 24 of his best buds. I mean, I, regardless of my opinion of the place, as we mentioned last week, uh, it's one of the most beautiful facilities we go to. And, and obviously a place that deeply cares about IndyCar and has been there for IndyCar during very challenging times and has been a staple of the calendar for a very long

36:39period of time, which is, um, always an A plus in my book, uh, two IndyCar news related items today Wednesday, March 25th. Um, number one is Ed Carpenter. Uh, his car was revealed for the year's Indy 500. Um, he's in the, uh, slim, fast ECR Chevy, which is incredible. I got, I got so many jokes that lined up already. Wow. And then, Kiffin Simpson, um, nine days, nine days after the fact was given a pretty severe penalty for his contact, uh, to end the race in Arlington, where he dropped from 19th to 20th position, um, due to the stewards. So pretty, uh, pretty crazy news there. That was sarcasm. How do you guys, how do you guys feel about, how do you guys feel about penalties? Well, after the fact, though, that far after the fact,

37:40very bizarre, very bizarre. Like, unless there's new information, which there is not, I mean, I feel like the information was pretty available at the time because they were sort of all over the Twitter. Yeah. Right. So like, I know that sometimes when it's a, a technical infraction or like, if, if a driver's taking an engine soon, like too soon and has an engine penalty, they won't announce that until the Wednesday before the following race, um, even if it's known Sunday of the race itself, like the race prior. I know it's some of those cases, but like one, or if it's something that's going to affect your neck, like, you're getting a grid penalty or they're sitting you for some time and practice for something that you've done. Maybe that doesn't come out, until the week of the race that it, you know, it affects, but for a retroactive penalty on a, on a race that has been done for over a week to come out, that seems a little bit bizarre. It's also just kind of comical because it happens to be like the most incomprehensible. Yeah. Thank you. In consequential one position. So it's like, okay. But yeah,

38:45penalties of penalty. Yeah. I don't know. I guess they were too busy dealing with the the fro situation that they so overlooked this one. There was a lot. I want to talk about that just to end because I saw a lot of comments online, um, from pretty regular IndyCar, Twitter, fan, users, um, ones that I enjoy following a lot. These aren't some of the ones that I don't enjoy following. And they were like kind of expressing their, I don't want to say displeasure, but surprise, I guess, for the magnitude of the penalty, um, that occurred based on on what happened. And I was a little surprised to see that reaction because the, for those that don't know, Felix got a penalty for passing a car before the restart line, um, that has been in place now for over a year that really came off the back of Laguna Saka in 2023,

39:52where on restarts, um, previously the rule was you could pass on green. And that is still to be clear the rule on, on all levels. And in to turn 11 at Laguna, you had guys because there was such a big checkup effect in a slow corner. You had guys just piling into each other and we could never get the race going green. Similar situations happened at the Nashville street course race two years in a row. And so there was kind of a, a driver suggested rule that that goes into place that we can't pass even when the green comes out. We can't pass until a restart line, which was usually at the exit of the final corner. A little bit of the ways down the, the front straight was called to prevent kind of these pileups and track blockages, um, occurring immediately going green after a restart. And, and so this has been in place for a while. This isn't a new rule. And this was a rule that was driver suggested. And I'm not, I'm not criticizing Felix, um, because in his defense, we'd just come from Phoenix, which was pass on green. And you get into that rhythm. And it's,

40:58it's, it's, it's an easy mistake. It's an easy thing to forget, let's say. So it wasn't an egregious, he wasn't being a, it wasn't an egregious, egregious thing. He saw an opportunity and took it and just forgot the rule, essentially. But the fact that people were like, oh, how is the penalty so severe for this when there was no contact? And he just give the position back. And it's like, no, this was a, a driver suggested rule that has been in place for a long time to prevent accidents from happening at restart. And the penalty had it not been the end of the race. Is it drive through? Like that's, that is the deemed penalty. So the fact that you got moved back to, to the back of the field because we never went green again because of the incident with Kiffin and Stingray and company. It's like that is the correct penalty. So I think that just needs to be put out there for those that care, which is zero. Um, that it wasn't, this wasn't too aggressive of a penalty. The penalty is drive through the crime. Yeah. I don't think that the crime. So that's all one thing that matter if he, if he passed, because

41:58I think it's because he was running six or whatever. And he ends up P 20. It does matter. If he was running 19th, it would be the same penalty, right? The penalty is either drive through or if after the race, it's tail under the lead lap. So, right. Is what it is. Yeah. Well played by any car. Again, easy mistake to make in a sense for Felix is what it is. We didn't have a lot of yellow in that race. So I was surprised. Surprisingly, I was stunned. I think it's one of those things. But how many times have we had it where you go through practice and it's like three, four red flags of practice and everyone's like, oh, this race is going to be a complete disaster, all green. The only reason that you're, you're right, because that is usually how it goes. It was so hard. Um, some of the breaking zones were so challenging that I just was like, it doesn't matter if people are being conservative. Like it was still easy to get it wrong. Right. And I just goes to show how good we all are, man. Like we're just, we're some of the best race car drivers out there. And one humble,

43:02when it's time to get it done and points on the line, we pull it together and just get it done. And that's, that's what you do. But it's true. Like in practice, you're supposed to push. That's when you're supposed to make mistakes. But I thought for sure, like turn one was going to catch somebody out. Turn one was going to catch somebody out. The only like, yeah, I mean, like I went down, bro, I went down so many access roads through two practices and qualifying. It's ridiculous. Like I, I visited them all. I could give you reviews on all of them. All right. All great. I look forward to reading your Yelp reviews. Yeah, four to five star stars. Yeah. All right. Well, it is Barbara this weekend. And we're excited to get back there. I love it there. I got a sick restaurant recommendation from my buddy Jim. Everyone to go check out. What is it? Excited for that. It's called fish and fish fish and hot fish club. Not going there. It doesn't sound great. I don't know if that's part of it. Is that what it's called? It's called. No, sorry. It's called hot and hot fish club.

44:04Fish and hot fish club. Hot and hot fish club. It sounds kind of gross, but the many looks pretty good. It's hilarious that when you Google it, the first thing that comes up is steak and pork. Yeah, exactly. I looked at the pictures and I didn't see a whole lot of fish, but food all looked pretty, pretty banged. So I'm going to give that a, give that a whore all this year. All righty. James Bond award winning. Well, you know, see, there you go. Look, don't judge a book by its color cover unless it's tameless. It's only trust tire companies for restaurant recommendations. No, Alex misread that. That's James's beard award when it's totally different. I created something just to like really throw people off. So it's James's beard award winning restaurant. Okay. Well, we're out of time. So we'll get to Nashville next week. God. This has been off track with Hinch and Rossi. Off track is part of the Sirius XM sports podcast network. If you enjoyed this episode and want to hear more, please give a five-star rating

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