Profile Of Evil: Ed Kemper (9/27/26)

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2:06So let's dive in and let's meet this six son of a bitch. Edmund Amille Kemper, the third born December 18, 1948, is an American serial killer who murdered a total of 10 people, including a 15 year old girl, as well as his own mother and his best friend from May 1972 to April 1973. Following his parole for murdering his paternal grandparents, Kemper was nicknamed the co-ed killer, as most of his victims were female college students hitchhiking in the vicinity of Santa Cruz County, California. He stands at the height of six feet, nine inches, and most of his murders included Necrophilia with some incidents of rape. Born in Burbank, California, Kemper had a troubled upbringing. His parents divorced an early life. As a child, he moved to Montana with his mother, Clarnel, who kept Kemper locked in their basement, which had been frequented by rats.

3:09He ran away to be reunited with his father, but he had remarried around Christmas of 1963, and set Edmund to stay with his paternal grandparents in North Fork, California. It was there in August of 1964, at the age of 15, that he murdered them. Following the murders, Kemper was briefly diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia by court psychiatrist and sentenced to the Atasca Dero State Hospital as a criminally insane juvenile. Released at the age of 21, after convincing psychiatrist he was rehabilitated, the six-foot-nine Kemper was reportedly regarded as non-threatening by his future victims. He targeted young female hitchhikers during his killing spree, learning them into his vehicle and driving them to secluded areas where he would murder them before taking their corpses back to his home to be decapitated, dismembered, and violated.

4:09Kemper then murdered his mother and one of her friends before returning himself into the authorities. Found sane and guilty at his trial in 1973, Kemper requested the death penalty for his crimes. Capital punishment was suspended in California at the time, and he instead received eight concurrent life sentences. Since then, he has been incarcerated in the California Medical Facility in Vacaville, notably Kemper and Herbert Mullin, overlapped in their 1972 to 1973 murder sprees, adding confusion to the police investigations, and ending with both being arrested within a few weeks of each other after the deaths of 21 people. Early life. Edmund and Meal Kemper III was born in Burbank, California on December 18, 1948. He was the middle child and only son born to Clarnell, Elizabeth Kemper, and Edmund and Meal Kemper, Jr.

5:10Edmund, Jr. was a World War II veteran who, after the war, tested nuclear weapons at the Pacific Proving Ground before returning to California, where he worked as an electrician. Clarnell often complained about her husband's menial electrician job. Edmund, Jr. later stated that suicide missions in wartime and atomic bomb testings were nothing compared to living with Clarnell, and that she affected him more than 396 days and nights of fighting on the front did. Wang 13 pounds as a newborn, Kemper was a head taller than his peers by the age of four. Early on, he exhibited anti-social behavior, such as torture of insects and cruelty to animals. At the age of ten, he buried a pet cat alive. Once he died, he dug it up, decapitated it, and mounted its head on a spike. Kemper later stated that he derived pleasure from successfully lying to his family about

6:10the killing of the cat. At age 13, he killed another family cat when he perceived it to be favoring his youngest sister, Alan Lee Kemper, over him. He kept pieces of it in his closet until his mother found them. Kemper had a dark fantasy life. He performed rights with his younger sister's dolls that culminated in his removing their heads and hands. On one occasion, when his eldest sister, Susan Huey Kemper teased him and asked him why he did not try to kiss his teacher, he replied, I kiss her, then I'd have to kill her first. He also recalled that as a young boy, he would sneak out of his house and armed with his father's bayonet, go to his second grade teacher's house to watch her through the windows. He stated in later interviews that some of his favorite games to play as a child were gas chamber and electric chair, in which he asked his youngest sister to tie him up and flip an imaginary switch, he would then tumble over and rye on the floor, pretending that he was being executed by gas inhalation or electric shock.

7:15He also had a close to death experience as a child. Once his eldest sister tried to push him in front of a train and another time when she successfully pushed him into the deep end of a swimming pool where he almost drowned. Kemper had a close relationship with his father and was notably devastated when his parents divorced in 1957, causing him to be raised by Clarnel and Helena Montana. He had a severely dysfunctional relationship with his mother, an erotic, domineering alcoholic who frequently belittled, humiliated and abused him. Clarnel often made her son sleep in a locked basement because she feared that he would harm his sisters. Regularly mocked him for his large size, he stood six feet four inches by the age of fifteen, and described him as a real weirdo in a phone conversation to Kemper's father unaware that her son had been eavesdropping. He also refused to show him affection at a fear that she would turn him gay, and told the young Kemper that he reminded her of his father and that no woman would ever love

8:19him. Kemper later described her as a sick angry woman and it has been postulated that she had borderline personality disorder. At the age of fourteen, Kemper ran away from home in an attempt to reconcile with his father in Van Aes, California. Once there, he learned his father had remarried and had a stepson. Kemper stayed with his father for a short time while the elder Kemper sent him to live with his paternal grandparents who lived on a ranch in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada on road to twenty-four, about two miles west of the town of North Fork. Kemper hated living in North Fork. He described his grandfather as senile and said that his grandmother was constantly emasculating me and my grandfather. First murders. On August 27, 1964, at the age of fifteen, Kemper was sitting at the kitchen table with his grandmother, Maude Matilda, when they had an argument. In rage, Kemper stormed off and retrieved a rifle that his grandfather had given him for

9:23hunting. The rifle had been confiscated because he used it to needlessly shoot animals. He then reentered the kitchen and fatally shot his grandmother in the head before firing twice more into her back. Her grandmother's last words were reportedly, oh, you'd better not be shooting the birds again. Some account mentions that she also suffered multiple post-mortem stab wounds with a kitchen knife. When Kemper's grandfather, Edmund Amiel Kemper, returned from the grocery shopping, Kemper went outside and fatally shot him in the driveway next to his car. He was unsure of what to do next, so he phoned his mother who told him to contact the local police. Kemper did and waited to be taken into custody. After his arrest, Kemper said he just wanted to see what it felt like to kill grandma and testified that he killed his grandfather so he would not have to find out that his wife was dead and that he would be angry with Kemper for what he'd done.

10:25Tyatris, Donald Lund, who interviewed Kemper during adulthood, wrote in his way he had avenged the rejection of both his father and his mother. Kemper's crimes were deemed incomprehensible for a 15-year-old to commit and court psychiatrist diagnosed him with paranoid schizophrenia. He was sent to the at-taskedero state hospital, a maximum security facility, and San Luis Abispo County that houses mentally ill convicts. This is Rick Burgess from The Rick Burgess Show. I want to talk to you for a second about something most of us put on autopilot, car insurance. If you're just letting your policy auto-renue year after year without shopping around, I'm telling you, you are probably throwing money away. Rates change all the time and staying loyal to one company can end up costing you big time. That's why you need to go check out Insureify. I went to Insureify.com to test it out myself and I was blown away by how easy it is. At about two minutes, totally free, you can compare actual real-time quotes from over a hundred top insurance companies all side by side in one place.

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12:29Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles. Chefs use it, restaurants use it. People who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid hit. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. I'm Cassandra, a licensed, Ralph's pharmacist passionate about helping patients navigate their GOP1 journeys. Whether you're just getting started and need help finding ways to save money on your GOP1 prescription or are looking for daily support for side effects, we're here to help you because your health journey continues beyond the prescription. And so does our care. At Ralph's pharmacy, you can expect real people with real answers for your GOP1 journey, restrictions and exclusions applied, seaside or the pharmacy for details. This episode is brought to you by Spreaker, the platform responsible for a rapidly spreading

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14:34no expression of delusions or hallucinations, and no evidence of bizarre thinking. They also observed him to be intelligent and introspective. Initial testing measured his IQ at 136 over two standard deviations above average. camper was rediagnosed with a less severe condition, a personality trait disturbance, passive aggressive type. Later, on his time at a task a derro, he was given another IQ test, which gave a higher result of 145. camper endeared himself to a psychiatrist by being a model prisoner and he was trained to administer psychiatric tests to other inmates. A psychiatrist later said he was a very good worker and this is not typical of associate path. He really took pride in his work. camper also became a member of the JC's, while in a task a derro and a client and claim to have developed some new tests and some new scales on the Minnesota multi-phasic personality

15:37inventory, specifically an over hostility scale during his work with a task a derro psychiatrist. After his second arrest, camper said that being able to understand how these tests functioned allowed him to manipulate psychiatrist, admitting that he learned a lot from the sex offenders to whom he administered tests. For example, they told him that to avoid leaving witnesses, it was best to kill a woman after raping her. Police and time in between murders. On December 18, 1969, his 21st birthday, camper was released on parole from a task a derro. Against the recommendations of psychiatrists at the hospital, he was released into the care of his mother, Clarnel, who had remarried, taken the surname Strandberg, and then divorced again, in Aptos, California, a short drive from where she worked as an administrative assistant at the University of California, Santa Cruz. camper later demonstrated further to his psychiatrist that he was rehabilitated and on November 29,

16:411972, his juvenile records were permanently expunged. The last report from his probation psychiatrist read, If I were to see this patient without having any history available or getting any history from him, I would think that we're dealing with a very well-adjusted young man who had initiative intelligence and who was free from any psychiatric illnesses. It is my opinion that he has made every excellent response to the years of treatment and rehabilitation. And I would see no psychiatric reason to consider him to be of any danger to himself or to any member of society. And since it may allow him more freedom as an adult to develop his potential, I would consider it reasonable to have a permanent expunction of his juvenile records. While staying with his mother, camper attempted community college in accordance with his parole requirements and that hope to become a police officer, though he was rejected because of

17:42his size. At the time of his release from Atasca Dero, camper stood at six feet nine inches, which led to his nickname Big Ed. camper maintained relationships with Santa Cruz police officers despite his rejection from joining the force and became a self-described friendly nuisance at a bar called the Jerry Room, a popular local hangout for cops. camper worked a series of menial jobs before gaining employment with the state of California division of highways. During this time, his relationship with Clarnel remained toxic and hostile, the two having frequent arguments that their neighbors often overheard. camper later described the arguments he had with his mother around this time, stating the following. My mother and I started right in on her endless battles, just horrible battles, violent and vicious. I've never been in such a vicious verbal battle with anyone. It would go to fist with a man, but this was my mother and I couldn't stand the thought

18:42of my mother and I doing these things. She insisted on it and just overstupid things. I remember one roof razor was over a weather I should have my teeth cleaned. When he saved enough money, camper moved out to live with a friend in Alameda. There he still complained of being unable to get away from his mother because she regularly phoned him and paid him surprise visits. He often had financial difficulties which resulted in his frequently returning to his mother's apartment in Apto's. At a Santa Cruz beach, camper met a student from Turlock High School to whom he became engaged in March of 1973. The engagement was broken off after camper second arrest and his fiance's parents requested her name not to be revealed to the public. The same year that he began working for the highway division, camper was hit by a car while riding a motorcycle that he had recently purchased. His arm was badly injured in the crash and he received a $15,000 settlement in the civil

19:45suit he filed against the car's driver. As he was driving around in the 1969 Ford Galaxy, he bought with part of his settlement money. He noticed a large number of young women hitchhiking and began storing plastic bags, knives, blankets and handcuffs in his car. He then began picking up young women and peacefully letting them go. Following the camper, he picked up around 150 such hitchhikers before he felt homicidal sexual urges which he called his little Zapples and began acting on them. Later murders Between May 1972 and April 1973, camper killed eight people, all women. He would pick up female students who were hitchhiking and take them to isolated areas where he would shoot stabs, mother or strangle them. He would then take their bodies back to his home where he would decapitate them, perform a roomatio on their severed heads, had sexual intercourse with their corpses and then dismembered

20:45them. During his 11 month murder spree, camper killed five college students, one high school student, his mother and his mother's best friend. camper stated in interviews that he often searched for victims after having arguments with his mother and that she refused to introduce him to women attending the university where she worked. He recalled, she would say, you're just like your father, you don't deserve to get to know them. Psychiatrists and camper himself have espoused the belief that the young women were surrogates for his ultimate target, his mother. Marianne Pesh and Anita Lucaza On May 7, 1972, camper was driving in Berkeley when he picked up two 18 year old hitchhiking students from Fresno State University. Marianne Pesh and Anita Marie Lucaza with the pretense of taking them to Stanford University. After driving for an hour, he managed to reach a secluded wooded area near Alameda, with

21:47which he was familiar from his work at the highway department, without alerting his passengers that he had changed directions from where they wanted to go. It was there that he handcuffed Pesh and locked Lucaza in the trunk, then stabbed and strangled Pesh to death, subsequently killing Lucaza in a similar manner. camper later confessed that while handcuffing Pesh, he brushed the back of his hand against one of her breasts and it embarrassed him, adding that he said, whoops, I'm sorry, or something like that, after grazing her breast, despite murdering her minutes later. camper put both of the women's bodies in the trunk of his Ford galaxy and returned to his apartment. He was stopped on the way by a police officer for having a broken tail light, but the officer did not detect the corpses in the car. camper's roommate was not at home, so he took the bodies into the apartment where he photographed and had sexual intercourse with the naked corpses before dismembering them. He then put the body parts into plastic bags, which he later abandoned near Loma Prieta

22:51Mountain. More disposing of Pesh and Lucaza's severed heads in a ravine, camper engaged in Irohmescio with both of them. In August of that year, Pesh's skull was found on Loma Prieta Mountain. An extensive search failed to turn up the rest of Pesh's remains or a trace of Lucaza. Ako Koo On the evening of September 14, 1972, camper picked up 15 year old dance student named Ako Koo, who had decided to hitchhike to dance class after missing her bus. He again drove to a remote area where he pulled a gun on Koo before accidentally locking himself out of his car. However, Koo let him back inside despite the fact that the gun was still in the car. Back inside the car, he proceeded to choke her unconscious, raper, and killer. camper subsequently packed Koo's body into the trunk of his car and went to a nearby bar to have a few drinks. He later returned to his apartment.

23:52He later confessed that he was that after exiting the bar, he opened the trunk of his car, admiring his catch like a fisherman. Back at his apartment, he had sexual intercourse with the corpse, then dismembered and disposed of the remains in a similar manner as his previous two victims. Koo's mother called the police to report her disappearance of her daughter and put up hundreds of flyers asking for information. But she did not receive any responses regarding her daughter's location or status. Cindy shawl on January 7th, 1973, camper who had moved back in with his mother was driving around the Cabrillo College campus. When he picked up 18 year old student, Cynthia and Cindy shawl. He drove to a wooded area and fatally shot her with a 22 caliber pistol. He then placed her body in the trunk of his car and drove to his mother's house where he kept the body hidden in a closet in his room overnight. When his mother left for work the next morning, he had sexual intercourse with and removed

24:53the bullet from shawl's corpse, then dismembered and decapitated her in his mother's bathtub. camper kept shawl severed head for several days, regularly engaging in disgusting practices with it. Then buried it in his mother's garden, facing upward toward her bedroom. There is a rest he stated that he did this because his mother always wanted people to look up to her. He discarded the rest of shawl's remains by throwing them off a cliff. Over the course of the following weeks, all except shawl's head and right hand were discovered and pieced together like a jigsaw puzzle. A pathologist determined that shawl had been cut into pieces with a power saw. Rosalind Thorpe and Allison Liu On February 5th 1973, after a heated argument with his mother, camper left his house in search of possible victims with heightened suspicion of a serial killer praying on hitchhikers in the Santa Cruz area. Students had been advised not to accept rides from people that he didn't know.

25:57camper was able to obtain a sticker from the university as his mother worked at UCSC. He encountered 23 year old Rosalind Heather Thorpe and 20 year old Alice Helen Allison Liu on the UCSC campus. According to camper Thorpe entered his car first reassuring Liu to also enter. He first fatally shot Thorpe and then Liu with his pistol and wrapped their bodies in blankets. camper again brought his victims back to his mother's house. This time he beheaded them in his car and carried the headless corpses into his mother's house to have sexual intercourse with them. He then dismembered the bodies, removed the bullets to prevent identification and discarded their remains the next morning. Some remains were found at Eden Canyon a week later and more were found near Route 1 in March. When questioned in an interview as to why he decapitated his victims, he explained the head trip fantasies were a bit like a trophy.

26:57You know, the head is where everything is at the brain, the eyes, the mouth. That's the person. I remember being told as a kid, you cut off the head and the body dies. The body is nothing after the head is cut off. Well, that's not quite true. There's a lot left in the than the girl's body without the head. Clarnel camper strandberg and Sally Hallett. This is Rick Burgess from the Rick Burgess show. I want to talk to you for a second about something most of us put on autopilot car insurance. If you're just letting your policy auto renew year after year without shopping around, I'm telling you, you are probably throwing money away. Race change all the time and staying loyal to one company can end up costing you big time. That's why you need to go check out Insureify. I went to insureify.com to test it out myself and I was blown away by how easy it is. In about two minutes, totally free, you can compare actual real time quotes from over a hundred top insurance companies all side by side in one place. No endless phone calls, no pushy sales pitches. What I really love, Insureify doesn't just help you once and walk away.

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29:01everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid hit. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. I'm Cassandra, a licensed Ralph's pharmacist passionate about helping patients navigate their GOP1 journeys. Whether you're just getting started and need help finding ways to save money on your GOP1 prescription or are looking for daily support for side effects, we're here to help you because your health journey continues beyond the prescription. And so does our care. At Ralph's pharmacy, you can expect real people with real answers for your GOP1 journey. Restrictions and exclusions apply, seaside or the pharmacy for details. This episode is brought to you by Springer, the platform responsible for a rapidly spreading condition known as podcast brain. Symptoms include buying microphones you don't need, explaining RSS feeds to confused relatives

30:05and saying things like, sorry I can't talk right now, I'm editing audio. If this sounds familiar, you're probably already a podcaster. The good news is, Springer makes the whole process simple. You record your show, upload it once and Springer distributes it everywhere people listen. Apple podcasts, Spotify, and about a dozen apps your cousins swears are the next big thing. Even better, Springer helps you monetize your show with ads, meaning your podcast might someday pay for, well, more microphones. Start your show today at spreeker.com. Springer, because if you're going to talk to yourself for an hour, you might as well publish it. On April 20th, 1973, after coming home from a party, 52-year-old Clarnell Strandberg awakened her son with her arrival. While sitting in her bed reading a book, she noticed Kemper enter her room and said to him, I suppose you're going to want to sit up all night and talk now. Kemper replied, no, good night. He then waited for her to fall asleep, then he sneaked back into her room and bludgeoned

31:06her with a claw hammer and slithered her throat with a pen knife. He then decapitated her and engaged in disgusting behavior with her severed head, then used it as a dartboard. Kemper stated that he put her head on a shelf and screamed at it for an hour through darts at it and ultimately smashed her face in. He also cut out her tongue and larynx and put them in the garbage disposal. However, the garbage disposal could not break down the tough vocal cords and ejected the tissue back into the sink. That seemed appropriate. As much as she'd bitched and screamed and yelled at me over over so many years, Kemper later said. Kemper hid his mother's corpse in a closet and went to drink at a nearby bar. Upon his return, he invited his mother's best friend, 59-year-old Sarah Taylor, Sally Hallet over to the house to have dinner and watch a movie. When Hallet arrived, Kemper strangled her to death to create a cover story that his mother and Hallet had gone away together on vacation. He subsequently put Hallet's corpse in a closet, obscured any outward signs of a disturbance

32:11and left a note to the police. It read, Approximately 515 am Saturday. No need for her to suffer anymore at the hands of this horrible murderous butcher. It was quick, a sleep, the way I wanted it, not sloppy and incomplete gents, just a lack of time. I got things to do. In other words, Kemper fled the scene and he drove nonstop to Pueblo, Colorado, taking caffeine pills to stay awake for the over 1,000 mile journey. He had three guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition in his car and he believed he was the target of an active manhunt. After not hearing any news on the radio about the murders of his mother and Hallet when he arrived in Pueblo, he found a phone booth and called the police. He confessed to the murders of his mother and Hallet but the police did not take his call seriously and told them to call back at a later time. Several hours later, Kemper called again, asking to speak to an officer he personally knew. He confessed to that officer of killing his mother and Hallet, then waited for the police

33:14to arrive and take him into custody. Upon his capture, Kemper also confessed to the murders of the six students. When asked in a later interview why he turned himself in, Kemper said the original purpose was gone. It wasn't serving any physical or real or emotional purpose, it was just pure waste of time. Emotionally, I couldn't handle it much longer. Toward the end there, I started feeling the folly of the whole damn thing and at that point, the exhaustion near collapse, I just said to Hell with it and called it all off. The trial. Kemper was indicted on eight counts of first degree murder on May 7 of 1973. He was assigned the Chief Public Defender of Santa Cruz County Attorney Jim Jackson. Due to Kemper's explicit and detailed confession, his counsel's only option was to plead not guilty by reason of insanity to the charges. Kemper twice tried to commit suicide and custody. His trial went ahead on October 23 of 1973.

34:14Three court appointed psychiatrists found Kemper to be legally sane. One of the psychiatrists, Dr. Joel Fort, investigated his juvenile records and the diagnosis that he was one psychotic. Fort also interviewed Kemper, including under Truth Serum, and related to the court that Kemper had engaged in cannibalism, alleging that he sliced flesh from the legs of his victims, then cooked and consumed these strips of flesh and a casserole. Nevertheless, Fort determined that Kemper was fully cognizant in each case and stated that Kemper enjoyed the prospect of the infamy associated with being labeled a murderer. Kemper later recanted the confession of cannibalism. California used the Mingotin standard, which held that a defendant to establish a defense on the ground of insanity. It must be clearly proved that at the time of the committing of the act, the party accused was laboring under such a defect of reason from disease of mind and not to know the nature

35:15and quality of the act he was doing, or if he did know it, that he did not know what he was doing was wrong. Kemper appeared to have known that the nature of his acts were wrong, and he had shown signs of malice after thought. On November 1st, Kemper took the stand. He testified that he killed the victims because he wanted them for myself, like possessions. He attempted to convince the jury that he was insane based on the reasoning that his actions could have been committed only by someone with an apparent mind. He said that two beings inhabited his body, that when the killer personally took over, it was kind of like blacking out. On November 8th, 1973, the six man, six woman jury deliberated for five hours before declaring Kemper's sane and guilty on all counts. He asked for the death penalty requesting death by torture, however, with a moratorium placed on capital punishment by the Supreme Court of California. He insisted he instead received seven years to life for each count with these terms to

36:20be served concurrently and was sentenced to the California medical facility at Vacaville. In prison, in the California medical facility, Kemper was incarcerated in the same prison block as other notorious criminals, such as Herbert Mullin and Charles Manson. Kempershoed particular disdain for Mullin, who committed his murders at the same time and in the same area as Kemper. He described Mullin as just a cold-blooded killer killing everybody he saw for no good reason. Kemper manipulated and physically intimidated Mullin, who at five feet nine inches was a foot shorter than him. Kemper stated that Mullin had a habit of singing and bothering people when somebody tried to watch TV. So I threw water on him to shut him up. Then when he was a good boy, I'd give him peanuts, herby liked peanuts. That was effective because pretty soon he asked permission to sing. That's called behavior modification treatment.

37:20Kemper remains among the general population in prison and is considered a model prisoner. He was in charge of scheduling other inmates appointments with psychiatrists and was an accomplished craftsman of ceramic cups. He was also a prolific narrator of audio books, a 1987 Los Angeles Times article stated that he was the coordinator of the prison's program and had personally spent over 5,000 hours narrating books and several hundred completed recordings to his name. Kemper has retired from these positions in 2015 after he experienced a stroke and declared medically disabled. He received his first rules violation report in 2016 for failing to provide a urine sample. While in prison, Kemper has participated in a number of interviews, including a segment in the 1982 documentary, The Killing of America, as well as an appearance in the 1984 documentary, Murder, No Apparent Motive.

38:20His interviews have contributed to the understanding of the mind of serial killers. FBI profiler John Douglas described Kemper as among the brightest prison inmates he ever interviewed and capable of rare insight for a violent criminal. He further added that he personally liked Kemper, referring to him as friendly, open, sensitive, and having a good sense of humor. Kemper is forthcoming about the nature of his crimes and has stated that he participated in the interviews to save others like himself from killing. At the end of his murder, No Apparent Motive interview, he said, there's somebody out there that is watching this and hasn't done that hasn't killed people and wants to and rages inside and struggles with that feeling or is so sure they have it under control. They need to talk to somebody about it. Trust somebody enough to sit down and talk about something that isn't a crime. Thinking that way isn't a crime doing it isn't just a crime. It's a horrible thing.

39:20It doesn't know when to quit. It can't be stopped easily once it starts. He also conducted an interview with the French writer Stephen Bourdain in 1991. Kemper was first eligible for parole in 1979. He was denied parole that year, as well as at parole hearings in 1980, 1981, and 1982. He subsequently waived his right to a hearing in 1985. He was denied parole at his 1988 hearing, where he said society is not ready in any shape or form for me. I can't fault them for that. He was denied parole again in 1991 and in 1994. He then waived his right to a hearing in 1997 and in 2002. He attended the next hearing in 2007, where he was again denied parole. Prosecutor Eradon Simmons said, we don't care how much of a model prisoner he is because of the enormity of his crimes. Kemper waived his right to a hearing again in 2012.

40:22He was denied parole in 2017. His end is next eligible in 2024. Psychology While on trial for murdering his grandparents, Kemper was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia by a court appointed psychiatrist. However, California youth authorities, psychiatrists and social workers at a taskadero state hospital, disagreed on the basis that Kemper showed no flight of ideas, no interference with thought, no expression of delusions or hallucinations, and no evidence of bizarre thinking. Further observing him to be highly intelligent and introspective. Kemper was therefore redignosed with personality trait disturbance, passive aggressive type. Shortly after arriving at California Medical Facility in 1973, Kemper was admitted to psychiatrists for re-evaluation. He was redignosed with anti social, narcissistic and schizophrenia personal personality disorders. Well folks, if that isn't a profile of evil, I don't know what is.

41:26And the fact that they even let this guy out the first time around is just bananas. But now that we have our introduction to this maniac, we're going to add a context episode and that will be tomorrow morning. All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one. All of the information that goes along with this episode can be found in the description box. I'm Ben. As a licensed Ralph's pharmacist, I'm committed to helping you choose the right vaccines for you and your family. Whether you have questions about the flu, RSV, or COVID vaccines, our team is ready to go above and beyond for you when it comes to providing personalized care and seasonal vaccine education. No appointment needed. Add Ralph's. We're here to look out for you. Restrictions and exclusions may apply, seasite or pharmacy for details.