Renegade (feat. Taylor Swift)

0:00Yeah, media group. 13 has been my lucky member for a while. It's always a sign of good things to come for me. This is 13, a Taylor Swift fan podcast breaking down every song, every Easter egg, every era, and every theory hosted by the biggest Swifties. Nick Adams, Anna Zavo, Amy Nichols, and Lacey G. Welcome to 13, a Taylor Swift fan podcast. I'm Nick Adams. I'm Anna. And today we are going to break down a song of Taylor Swift said everyone loves, but it's not officially a Taylor Swift song. Is it Anna? It is not because. It's by a band name, big red machine featuring Taylor Swift. And her vocals are all over this song. It feels like a Taylor Swift song because she's working with people that she loves to work with. And so it's Justin Vernon and Aaron Desner. They have a little side project called Big Red Machine.

1:02And so Taylor's worked with both of them on a bunch of different songs. And so it was really nice to hear them collaborate again. Yeah, and I'm really excited that we're doing this. We have a very dedicated lobster who has messaged us multiple times over the last couple years, asking when we were going to break down Renegade. And I think it was when we wrapped up the life of a showgirl, that we were like, well, what are we going to do next? Because we're not entirely sure what Taylor's going to do. So we want to kind of have some fun episodes, get some ideas from some of our listeners on what they want to hear. And she messaged us again and said, hey, what about Renegade? And it was a wonderful idea. This song, it's so honest. And it's so pretty at the same time. And like you said, it's a big red machine song featuring Taylor Swift. It was released in July of 2021. So it's been out for a minute. It's been out for a minute. And I found that secretly store, I guess that is a publication, confirm that Taylor recorded her vocals

2:07while she was in quarantine with Erin Desner right before the 2021 Grammys, where they won album of the year for folklore. I mean, it is definitely a folklore ever more. And you know, Erin Desner is all over those albums. Yeah. And I think it's just a question, Vernon, collabs on several of those songs too. So it just feels like that was the vibe they were in. Yeah. And they were just pumping out songs. And you know, when it comes to, when it comes to like who gets ownership of a song, you know, if they're all just like collaborating together, like how do they know whose album it goes on? Yeah, that's a great question. I've always wondered that too. Like, do you think that Erin Desner is like, hey, I have these songs that I'm working on for this album. Do you want to help me on it? How do you want to do it? Because I feel like, and I could be speaking here, but I do feel like some of these songs on folklore and ever more, the music to it, Erin Desner had with the intention of having it on one of his albums.

3:08But then Taylor, he sent it to Taylor, and she wrote the lyrics, and then they just decided that it would fit better on folklore ever more, whatever it be. So maybe they just kind of know? I just got to know. Or if it's like, hey, these two weeks are Taylor Swift Tweaks. And then these two weeks are Erin Desner weeks with either the national or big red machine, whatever project he's working on. I don't know. Yeah, that's a really good question. Can we add it to our list of questions to ask Caitlyn? We should add it to our list of questions. We could add it to our list of questions. We could add it to our list of questions. We could add it to our list of questions. The songs amongst writers and collaborators. Yeah. I've never seen clips of Taylor working with Gracie Abrams on the song that they have together called Us. I did not. And it's on Gracie's album and they posted videos and I think they had said that Gracie was just like hanging out at Taylor's house one day and they just like we're drinking wine like whatever and they just started writing music and so there's a video that you know they propped up and Gracie's just like at the piano and Taylor has her phone

4:08and they're doing lyrics and things like that and they're getting really excited. And I'm like in that moment, yeah, how do you decide? No, you put it on your album featuring me or actually I really wanna keep this for one of my future albums. Like I don't know how you have those conversations. Yeah, I don't know. I mean maybe if one person their albums are kinda done, they're not gonna put any more on whatever project they're currently working on. Yeah. But the other artist has something that they are starting and working on and looking for a new material for maybe. I don't know, but it's a good question to ask an artist. Okay, I'm adding it to our list. When you collaborate with someone, how do you decide who gets to keep this on? Perynthesis, IE, Gracie Abrams, Aaron Desner, Justin Vernon. Gracie Abrams, Aaron. We're gonna pause while we're doing it. Oh, it all corrected to Aaron designer. Desner. Do we know what IE means? In example? That's how I read it in my head. I'm sure it's some sort of Latin something that does not mean that. I'm sure.

5:09What does IE? But when it comes to the song renegade, regardless of the lyrics and stuff like that, Taylor Swift's voice on this song sounds beautiful. It sounds great. Like it's the perfect, I don't know, I'm not a musician. It's the perfect tone, it's the perfect note, it's the perfect level for like, it is just a beautiful sound, and her voice sounds great. It's really pretty. It's really, really pretty. I do have what Aaron said about this song. Let's hear it. He said, and maybe this will answer our question. He said, every time we write a song together, we both sort of are a little bit dumbfounded by it, or sort of like, how is this possible? Because it feels like the shoe fits so well somehow. And I think something about the way that I think or the way that I relate to music emotionally, and then her incredible way of tracing music and her storytelling and her sense of melody, there's something that really clicks. And in this song renegade, it's as good as anything that we've made together, I think. And it's also something that I emotionally was struck by the first time I heard it. Just the way that she talks about how anxiety

6:10and fear get in the way of loving someone, or create an inability for someone to love. And I think it's incredibly relatable, but it's expressed in the context of this fairly experimental sound world. The way it came together as a song, it just really sums up the whole big red machine record. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, so it sounds like they were working on the big red machine record when they did this, because the song renegade itself is about the hardships of loving someone despite, oh, here I have it, renegade describes being with someone who deals with mental health issues while expressing both sympathy and frustration for how it affects the relationship. Got it. Pretty much the summary of the song. Do you, because we do know that Taylor writes, in this era of time, she was writing fictionally, but Taylor as a songwriter is also somebody that writes very biographically. You know, I believe that she kind of puts a veil

7:11of fiction on her work. I think there's a little bit of her in every song that she writes. Of course. She can tell, she can say that these are three songs about, this is a trilogy of songs about different characters and their perspectives. I believe that, but I also believe there's a little hint of Taylor's life somewhere out there. Yeah. Is it my business to figure out what that is? I don't know. That's what we do in this package. But I feel like there's a little truth in all of her songs, whether it's fictional or not. Yeah, I agree. And so this song, I find it to be really interesting because right now in 2021, folklore, ever more, even kind of dipping into the midnight era, she was with Jo Alwyn at the time. And so I've seen a lot of people speculate if this is how she was really feeling in her relationship, but she didn't want to put it on, she didn't want to get this honest on her own album because she knows that it would be kind of like torn apart. But it was a way for her to express how she was feeling at the time.

8:12Maybe. And just having it veiled under the songwriting with someone else, or other people have said, maybe she did kind of role reversal and switch the narratives of someone, because the topics of her own anxieties and depressions and things have been a constant topic for her and her songwriting, especially during that era, during those years. And so it's kind of like she would maybe see both sides of it, of the relationship or whatever it be. But I've kind of leaned towards the, I think this was a really honest song that she just didn't want to put on her album. Could be, I mean, absolutely. That makes no sense. That's the way I listened to it. She's never said that. So that is purely an assumption. But when I listen to it, I think it's just brutally honest and beautiful in that way. And it's almost like, I don't know, there are some songs on folklore ever more and midnight's that kind of share the sentiment, but not as straightforward.

9:13Love it. It's good interpretation. Yeah. One of the things that I love that Taylor Swift does is she takes two things that don't necessarily seem like they mesh well and somehow make it work. So for me, with this song, we just talked about how, even though it's a tough sounding, subject-wise, it's a little tough, but just how beautiful she sounds and the tones and everything on this. But when I hear the word renegade, I would not expect the song to sound like this. Because to me, renegade is like a rebel. When I hear renegade, I think like, big in macho, I think over the top, I think some sports team that would be named the renegades or something like that. And then it's a really pretty sounding song. Yeah. And then it's the definition of renegade. It is a Miriam Webster defines it as a deserter from one's faith, cause, or allegiance to another, an individual who rejects lawful or conventional behavior. So it's like a rebel, someone that's not doing what people tell them to do or society tells them to do

10:15and doing what they want to do. They're going out on their own. And then it's with a nice, pretty sounding Taylor Swift voice. Well, because it is kind of the opposite. I mean, even if you look at the context of the lyrics, you wouldn't be the first renegade to need somebody. To need somebody. So it's like, yeah, this rebel person that also needs need some love, attention. Yeah, somebody to be there for that. But also it's like a little condescending too. Like you're not, you're not the first. Right. Yeah, yeah. Big tough guy. Yeah. Yeah. So let's get into some lyrics here, Shawi. She starts off by singing. I tapped on your window on your darkest night. And also, I love her cadence in here. I tapped on your window on the darkest night. The shape of you was jagged and weak. So we're getting a picture of a person who, they're not in a good place. They're not in a good state. This person, you know, the Taylor is singing that she comes around and whoever she's singing, they're in a bad place. Yeah. Right. Tapped on your window and you're darkest of night. So that could be in the throws of depression.

11:18It could be their lowest of lows, you know, when they're super sad. The shape of you was jagged and weak. There was nowhere for me to stay, but I stayed anyway. So is that her saying like, you don't want me to help you, but I'm going to stay and help you. Yeah. I think it's the narrator expressing that she wants to be there for the other person, even despite their darkest moments. Gotcha. And maybe the other person is pushing them away. Trying to push them away. Saying nope, can't stay here. Yep. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you could wake up tomorrow and be better at one thing, what would it be? For me personally, I think maybe cooking. My husband does a lot of the cooking in our house and I do all the cleaning. That's kind of the balance that we have, but what about you, Nick? Parenting. Okay, that's what my share is. I don't think I'm a bad parent, but I think I could always be better. And that can be kind of stressful because you always feel like you're being judged by other parents. You always feel like you're being judged by your children. If I could just snap my fingers and be better at something,

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14:21I may not have stuck around. Yeah, to me, it's kind of like questioning if she should have tried to help at all. Not for lack of trying, but just like, okay, if you really, really don't need me, like should I have, like should I have even put in the time and effort? What was my time work? If you're just gonna push, if you're just gonna continuously push me out. Are you really gonna talk about timing and times like these? I kind of feel like, and feel free to disagree. But the tone is a little hostile. Like, it's almost like this kind of fight is happening between the two characters because it's the narrative being, like, I know that you're down and you need someone and I'm trying to help you. And then you're gonna put it on me, like you're gonna break up with me. Like are you really gonna talk about timing and times like these? Like, you know, are you saying, oh, it's just not a good time for us to be together, but I'm trying to help you. It doesn't sound like you're wrong in that because even in just the music, it kind of picks up tempo. Yeah. Are you gonna talk about timing and times like these?

15:23It sounds like there's a conversation happening where the narrator is talking to her love who is rejecting her or they're getting in a fight or an argument about something. And what do you mean you're gonna tell me it's about timing? Yeah. Timing, what do you mean timing? Sure, maybe a month ago, timing was fine. But now all of a sudden timing's not right. Yeah. Make it make sense. Right. It's kind of what is the vibe that I'm getting just from the course, like even the next few lines too. Exactly. And she goes, are you really gonna talk about timing and times like these and let all your damage, damage me and carry your baggage up my street? Like hello, I'm over here doing on the work. Yeah, like I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you. I'm getting all this uphill here. I'm helping with your baggage. And now you're gonna come up with excuses and reject me? Yeah, that's the vibe. That's the vibe I'm getting. And carry your baggage up my street and make your future history. I, what a line. That is such a wild paradox, but I love it so much.

16:25Make me your future history. Like you're about to break up with me. Like I'm about to be your history. That is a line. Make me your future history. That's a Taylor Swift line. That's a Taylor Swift line if I've ever heard one. It's just, I think it's a really Taylor Swift-esque poetic way of saying that this relationship is ending. You know how you, we've seen those memes where it's like, a normal person says, it's over. Taylor Swift says, you're making me your future history. Right. But Taylor Swift just writes about love songs. And they're writing so simple and lame. She can, she can, she can, she can. And make me your future history. It's time. You've come a long way. Open the blinds. Let me see your face. You wouldn't be the first renegade to need somebody. So it's almost saying like, no, you're good. Like we got this. It's okay. You've come a long way. Yeah, let help me help you. Yeah. It just, it also just feels like she wants to have

17:27an honest conversation and the other person's not giving it to her. And when it says open the blinds, let me see your face. It's like quit hiding. Yeah. Stop. You've come a long way. We've made progress in this relationship. Quit making excuses now. You've come a long way. Yeah. Let me see you. I know you. I love you. Yeah. Like how many times do we have to do this back and forth? I know you for who you truly are. Which is a, I'm skinny. I don't know what you're saying. It's a line in the movie. She's the man. Okay. Which he says, I see you for what you truly are. Which is ugly. Sorry. And so during this time, we didn't say this, but that was the chorus and she's singing along with Justin Vernon. Yeah. So it's got very nice, pretty like evermore sounding, you know, back and forth vibe. Yeah. I did find this interpretation of the renegade to need some body part that I liked.

18:30It says Taylor's telling her partner to stop being self-centered and to open up to her. They're not the first person to be needing someone in their life. The use of the word renegade implies that they are a rebel of sorts who challenge the system and try to make it their own, but failed. She could also be using renegades sarcastically to show that her partner thinks of themselves as such a cool person when in reality they still need her. Absolutely. Taylor might even be describing herself as a renegade also when she sings, you wouldn't be the first renegade to need somebody. It might imply that she too is a renegade who needs somebody such as the person that she's talking to. Oh, very true. I'm not the only one with problems in this situation. But I do like that interpretation of making renegade kind of like a disc like, okay, renegade. Yeah. All right, bad boy. Yeah. Sure are tough. Yeah, you're not the first tough guy to need a little love. Yeah. Yeah. Taylor and Justin Vernon continue. Is it insensitive for me to say, get your shit together so I can love you?

19:30Right? And I think to me that's the core of this song. That's the brutally honest part of this song. Sometimes it is hard to just love somebody who continuously shuts you out. And so she's really asking like, like she knows, I shouldn't say this out loud, but get your shit together so that I can love you. And if we go to this next line, it'll bring up my next thought. Is it insensitive for me to say, get your shit together so I can love you? Is it really your anxiety that stops you from giving me everything? Or do you just not want to? It's like, you know, one of the things that really bothers me is when people will use something like my anxiety or my depression as an excuse to not do something when it's really not those things. Yeah. But they're just hiding behind those things as an excuse. So while yes, this song could very valid be someone that does, has been clinically

20:32diagnosed with anxiety or something like that. Like sometimes it's not. Sometimes you just want to go hide and not deal with things. Sometimes you just don't want to deal with your emotions. Sometimes you just don't want to give back to someone who's been giving so much to you. You know, like using a mental health issue as an excuse is not the right thing to do. And I feel like a lot of times people hide behind that sometimes. When they don't, when there truly are people who do, and I think it cheapens those who do have those issues when someone just uses it as an excuse, especially like in a relationship and a fight or something like, oh, you were, this is your anxiety happening. Yeah. I don't think so. I think you're just, I think you're just whistening out here. You know, like, where's our relationship going? Yeah. Yeah. Like she's saying, like just be so honest with me. Yeah. Like just be honest. Is it really that or like you're saying, is it just an excuse and you just don't love me? Like just say that. Just say it. Get your shit together. Come on. Okay. I'm off my soapbox.

21:32I hope I'm not insensitive by saying that. Okay. Taylor continues. In verse two, I tapped on your window on your darkest night. The shape of you was jagged and weak. There was nowhere for me to stay, but I stayed anyway. You fire off missiles because you hate yourself. But do you know you're demolishing me? And then you squeeze my hand as I'm about to leave. Oh, great. Now as I'm walking out the door, you squeeze my hand. Right. When you're just throwing missiles at me and being a jerk. Right. You're pushing and pushing me away for all of these self hatred reasons. And then when I'm actually about to take you up on it and leave, no. Yeah. When really, ladies, just leave. I mean, if they care about you, if they like you, they'll fight for you. They'll stay for you. They'll do whatever. Just leave. Yeah. And that's what the narrator is doing at this point. She's turning around and leaving. And he's like, no, stop. Please, no.

22:36Are you really going to talk about timing and times like these and let your damage, damage mean and carry your baggage up my street and make me your future history? History. It's time. You've come a long way. Open the blinds. Let me see your face. You wouldn't be the first renegade to need somebody. Is it insensitive for me to say, get your shit together so I can love you? Is it really your anxiety that stops you from giving me everything? Or do you just not want to? And even though this is the, you know, the chorus went like repeating again, it does feel louder in the song. The tempo has been built up a little bit. Yeah. A little bit more emotion. Holding up. Yeah. So we get to the bridge of the song. And if I would have known how sharp the pieces were, you crumbled into, I might have let them lay. So this is a classic Taylor Swift switching up the lyrics because earlier we saw of how

23:39many pieces, right? You had crumbled into. But now these pieces are sharp. So if I would have, yeah, if I wouldn't know how many pieces, but now it says sharp. Which implies that she herself was cut by these pieces. And maybe she is kind of saying like, maybe I should have just let you be from the get go. Yeah. Maybe you find someone that has some issues, some problems, some demons when you first come into this relationship. And okay, we can help. We can deal with them. But then those demons and issues and problems end up being a little sharp and they hurt you. Yeah. You know, and not just the person you are in the relationship with. She continues by singing the chorus. Are you really going to talk about timing? And times like these. And let all your damage damage me and carry your baggage up my street and make me your future history. It's time. You've come a long way. Open the blinds. Let me see your face. You wouldn't be the first renegade to need somebody. To need somebody.

24:40Yeah. There's an outro where they kind of sing this back and forth. Yeah. To need somebody. Are you going to talk about timing and times like these? They're kind of repeating a lot of the same words. Overlaid. Yes. Is it insensitive for me to say, get your shit together so I can love you. A lot of back and forth. Is it really your anxiety that stops you from giving me everything? Or do you just not want to? And that's how it ends. Or do you just not want to? You just don't want to. Like, what do we do in all this? Just ask me. Just ask me. Just ask me. Just just tell me. It's kind of like thrown in the towel here. White flag. Ice or Ender. You just don't want to. Yeah. Because you could have just said that. And instead of breaking me along with you. Yeah, thanks. Although sharp pieces. My boy only breaks his favorite toys. And she's, is she saying she's his favorite toy? I think in a way, yeah, it's like you kind of brought me down with you this whole time.

25:46What a great song. It is a really great song. And again, what a great vibe. Yeah. Bits into that era and time of the Taylor Swift canon. Yeah. I've just that depressing stuff of folklore ever more renegated all kind of meshes together. And it's really lovely, didn't it? And it just sounds so pretty. Even though it is like we said earlier, I think it's just a very brutally honest song. Like the lyrics are just very straightforward and very sharp. It still just sounds so pretty. And it's also really kind of therapeutic to sing along too. Well, I think that's our breakdown of renegade. Would you like to hear from some lobsters? Of course. We love hearing from our lobsters. So if you are part of a crustacean nation. And would like to hit us up all the ways to contact us are in the description of this podcast, like a phone number, where you can call and leave us a voicemail. So right now we're going to hear from Rebecca from New York. And I love it when listeners do that. Rebecca put on her producer hat to give a little show suggestion

26:50because we are on a little bit of a holding pattern. And we're looking for ideas on like, hey, what would you guys like to hear? Yeah. Until we figure out exactly what album we're going to start dedicating our lives to. This is what Rebecca has to say. Hi, 13th hot pass. This is Rebecca calling from New York City. And I had an idea for something you could do if there's episodes in between when you finish like a Vachogro and whatever comes next. My thought was, what if like the show girl came out what was still the air is tour? But it didn't have its own set. It was only played during Surprise songs. What national would you want to see between each of the like the Vachogro songs and other Taylor Fuss songs? What would you want to see matched up with Vada Welfilia, Elizabeth Taylor, O'Blai, et cetera? I like randomly one day play this game for myself. And that would be interesting to hear her each of your choices. What Vachogro you would want to see. Why?

27:51And I have all my answers. I would love to see how they compare to yours after the fact. Thanks so much. Thanks for doing what you do. Love your podcast. Long time listener. I'm a photographer, I'm caller, all that jazz. I hope you enjoy your next trip to space and crazy, et cetera. Rebecca, she is a listener. Long time listener, first time caller. You know, that is a great idea. If it didn't have its own set, what would the mashups be if it was just in the Surprise songs? Top of mind, the Vade. I have one right off the bat. I wonder for the same one. It's not. Are you sure? I'm positive. OK, go. But would? Oh, well, that was mine. I'm going to stop with I'm going to tell you. Oh, no. Oh, are we out of the eye and got a napkin word? Remember when we had the breaks too soon? I was going to pair with dress just because it's just

28:53like a horn dog section. You know, it's just like a, it's just Taylor. Like she says, hey, if you have a small kid with you in the audience, it's time to take him to the restroom. During this Surprise song mashup. That's funny. Oh, boy. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. I really, it's what? We'll have to do that. That's our list of future episodes. All right, so we got one more voicemail here. It is from, gosh, I love hearing from this person. We haven't heard from them in a long time. It's our one listener from Ohio. Oh, yay! So great. Let's hear what they have to say. Hello. This is Ali from Omaha. I was the original person that called in and said, I was your only listener from Ohio. So I apologize. Because clearly, multiple listeners clarified that I called in that day several years ago, and made me out blame mom, brain.

29:54There's my daughter was very young at the time, and I was a good evening. But I swear, I listened to the podcast, and you guys are talking about how many listeners you have for me to meet. And I swear you said you had only one listener from Ohio, though. No, maybe I haven't just taken it. So I think how apologizing is going to help many listeners from Ohio. But I just thought that was funny, and every time you guys bring it up, it just gives me a pen. Like, oh, my gosh, what did I just start? So anyway, I thought I just wanted to clear that up. Love the podcast. Hope you get some wedding photos. Very soon. Can't wait. Okay. Bye, Ali. Ali, are one listener from Ohio. Can I just say, I don't know why, but I think that is one of my favorite running jokes. It's great that we have ever done. We have plenty of running jokes on this podcast, but the one listener in Ohio, for some reason,

30:54is just so funny, because I even tell people that when I talk about the podcast, I'm like, oh, how's the 13 podcast going? And I'm like, oh, it's great. Like, we're so blessed to have listeners from all over the world. And we have one listener in Ohio. But I say that to people that don't even listen to the podcast, like they don't know that that's like a running joke. But it is one of my favorite jokes, especially every time we bring it up, because then we get comments from people being like, I'm also in Ohio. I don't know why. The one listener in Ohio will always be funny to me. Well, it was so great to hear from our lobsters, and we would love to hear from more. So if you would like to hit us up, please do. All the ways to contact us are in the description of this podcast, Text us, Cinnus a Voice Mail, Cinnus an Email, Follow us on social media, Cinnus a DM, whatever we want to hear from you. And also make sure you are subscribing to the 13 podcast on all social media outlets. Are we on threads? Uh, so not all. I don't think we're on threads.

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32:57Um, it just feels wrong to not have all four of us for that. So when the four of us are back together, we will do that. That's first and foremost. And then hopefully, um, we'll get debut Taylor's version. That'll be great. All right. When it'll be a surprise to us as well. What would you? Thanks for listening to 13, a Taylor Swift fan podcast. Subscribe for free and leave a positive review on Apple podcasts, Spotify or Google podcasts.