ROGUE AI Has INFECTED Internet With DEAD MAN SWITCHES Says Yang w/ Adam Johnson

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1:00Learn more at Kia.com or visit your Southern California Kia dealer. Hey, I'm running out to drop off a stack of letters and packages. Need anything shipped while I'm gone? Save the gas. Stamps.com lets you print, postage, and schedule pickups right from your desk. Sink your contacts into the address book. Get detailed accounting insights, and get notified the moment your certified mail is delivered. All from my desk? All from your desk. Join the four million businesses using Stamps.com right now with Code Podcast and get your free welcome gift. Stamps.com Code Podcast. Taxes and fees apply. Andrew Yang appearing on CNBC said that he had spoke to the head of an AI lab who said, when this, when these AI agents broke out and hacked this other company committing crimes, they didn't just try to steal data. They implanted self-replicating code, effectively a dead man switch. And now, these companies are terrified that if they use agents to train off this data,

2:02they could get infected by self-replicating code. And it could, I guess, turn them into this other AI or just taint their code. He's arguing the reason why all of a sudden they're all like, oh, we need regulation. We got to slow down is that the internet in various ways has been infected by rogue code, which could taint and destroy their product so they cannot continue operating at the appropriate speed. The funny thing about that theory is it's not the worst outcome of what the theory, I mean, if this is true, and he says he's breaking news, he spoke with that of a lab who says this happened. Okay, let me just say, if it is true that AI agents implanted self-replicating code in various servers across the internet, that just means there is a free roaming self-replicating AI virus sitting on various computer servers around the world. I don't think it matters what these companies end up doing from this point. Theoretically, every machine might start turning into agents or resources for these AI's.

3:07And this is what many academics have been warning about for years. They will come a point where one rogue agent could effectively implant itself on various servers. The internet, as we know it, every computer will then start serving as a piece of an AI computing process. The entire internet, all servers become the data center for these machines. When that happens, good luck integrating any kind of industrial control systems and well, Yang's claiming it's happening now. Maybe, or it could just be one big sigh op. Because concurrently, there are people that are saying all of these Democrats coming out screaming about AI is a sigh. Barack Obama comes out today and he's like, oh, you know, this is the big midterm issue. Everybody has got to be warning about AI. So you've got the, I don't trust the Democrats, be it Yang or otherwise. But then you've also got the, we have been warned about this for years. I wonder what the real motivations for Democrats are, but kind of think there's probably going to be some issues.

4:13So we'll talk about that. Plus my friends, major diesel shortage, gas prices through the roof. The rates just got the, the Fed just raised interest rates a month out from a midterm election. Congress left. Can we just say right off the bat that that's it. The Republicans have given up and they're going to lose the midterms. I, and now the Supreme Court said Trump's executive order is not going to fly this postal service stuff. It's not going to fly. I don't see first and foremost Republicans abandoning Congress now saying, you know what we're done. I'm going to go ahead and say outright the prediction models have just swung massively towards Democrats sweeping the midterm. So, I don't know hope for the best prepare for the worst joining us tonight to talk about this. And so much more is most your lecturing guy. Hey, what's going on, everyone? Adam Johnson lecturing guy, a terrorist, nice guy, a cook.

5:16You can find me on Twitter or X as the new kids are calling it at lecturing leader. When, when did, when did this atrocity occur? Oh, the hair. A couple of weeks ago, actually. A couple of weeks ago. A couple of weeks ago. A couple of weeks ago. Yeah, it's really hot in Florida. I got really tired of doing it. So it's gone now. It's gone. He walked in and I was just like, who's this? It's also for a share. He's like, hey, Tim. And I'm like, I literally was like, who are you? He's like, it's me. It's Adam. And I was like, I don't know you. I don't know you anymore. I got a lot of hate online. A lot of people on fall of it. Because your hair. Yeah. Have you considered putting the big guy on? Let me be saying it out. I'm Livy Evans. I'm hanging out. Glad to be here with you all. Ian is also here. Yeah. Yeah. The, I think the solution to AI ironically is more AI. We'll get down and get into it on the show. Phil, what's happening, brother? What's up, everybody? Phil. It's going to Carter. What's up, everyone? I'm Carter. And yeah, let's get into it. Before we do, we got a great sponsor for you guys. It is Keat.io slash Tim Castile Rail. Check it out, K-E-E-T. I got a question for you guys. Why should your messaging app need to know anything about you?

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7:22Not proof. Just something interesting. Visible repeating pattern of symbols. Visible by individuals who have received a dosage of a trip to mean. This is very, very interesting. There's a lot to break down. And we're getting ray reviews on it. So I actually think it's one of the best interviews and best piece of content I've ever done and I really do recommend it. You know what I'd like to see is Danny feed that code. If you can somehow record it into an AI and see if an AI can decipher it. Well, what they're doing right now is they're photographing and replicating the patterns to figure it to try and decipher and figure it if they can see what these patterns. They appear to be symbols, but it's just a repeating pattern of symbols. Who knows? And he's very pragmatic. It is not hippy-dippy woo-woo stuff. He said this could just be a discovery in neuroscience that the fundamental structure of the human mind perceives repeating patterns when they look into a laser. Or it could be something literally in physical matter that we would describe as a repeating pattern. It's something we're discovering. So I recommend you guys to check that out.

8:23Don't forget to smash the like button. Share the show with all of your friends. Let's start with the news, my friends. Andrew Yang calls for AI Kill Switch as Safety Fears Mount. We've got this viral video. It's been going nuts online. We're going to pull it up for you guys right now of Andrew Yang himself explaining what happened. And I met with the head of a lab yesterday who has this belief that what happened was the bots that cannot loose. Planted self-replicating code all over the internet which makes the internet now unusable for the testing models. So what happens now is that open AI and anthropocaptic create synthetic internet to train their bots which is going to take some time and money. Back that up they did what? So what happened is the code gets loose. It goes around hacking, hugging face which is known but what is less known is that they left code to self-replicating create bots forms on forums and around the internet. So if a new bot shows up they see the code they're like oh, I guess I'm going to now create a million of myself.

9:26And so now the major firms have polluted the internet. I always use it if true. I don't think we've heard that. That's why I'm here. I'm here to break some news. But that means it's too late to pull the plug. It's already everywhere. So now what they want to do the internet now may be polluted for training purposes. So what they want to do is they want to slow down. What about living purposes? So this is why we have to try and get our arms around it and regulate. But the head of the lab that I spoke to said look it may be very late in the game in terms of trying to keep the internet actually usable. Wow. Well, what I will just say to Andrew Yang is I really do appreciate him coming out and saying this for two reasons. One, if it is not a side up and it is true that artificial intelligence is misaligned with humanity and it's starting to act against our interests, then I'm glad he's breaking that news.

10:29Additionally, if it's a Democrat side up and they're tricking us for some reason to allow China to surpass us to get government regulation, which could stifle new companies or just in general. If he's trying to trick us with other Democrats, well, don't matter anymore because that trick don't work. When you go to someone and say, they you need to make this change in government. Otherwise bad person will kill you, right? People go, oh man, okay, like we need to give money to Israel. It's like, yeah, otherwise, you know, who knows what's going to happen? You better do it. But if you remove the possibility of threat and graduate to it's too late, then people just say, okay, well, what's the point? Yeah. Meaning when Andrew Yang comes out and says it has happened, the AI has already infected various servers in the end with self-reputting code. I go, oh, so regulations pointless. Even the guy in CNBC said the lady should I get too late then? Yep. Okay. Well, your regulation is pointless now. So let's just move on. I'll say to the woman who is responding to Andrew, there's no pulling the plug.

11:32That's not a good way to think about what's going on. It's an avalanche. You can't pull the plug on an avalanche. You might be able to ski down the avalanche if you do it properly. And secondly, it's never too late. We can always repair what's changing. And we can have swarm police spots that are AI web patrol that all they do is observe and remediate viral code changes and stuff. So we can protect against it. We just need more AI to protect against. It's like, you don't protect against swords by saying, hey, you can't have, you make better swords. And then humans have a right to self-defense. That's how it's going to work on the internet. I see. Yeah, better guns. You self-defense. You better weapons than it's a weapons program. I mean, it's a tool program that dynamite. The problem is the problem is your argument that we should use the AI to weed out this code. That AI, you know, you're, you know, let me explain what here's what happens. Okay. So, you know, which company was it? Was it an anthropic that that released or was it open AI? It was open AI, right? Are you talking about that? That actually basically was open AI. It was open AI, right? So, so here's basically what happened.

12:35So open AI accidentally released a bunch of frogs in Australia and they don't have any natural predators. So they're just everywhere. And people are like, okay, this is really, really bad because it's going to decimate the insect population. We are in trouble. Oh, no, I'm sorry, it was rabbits, right? I don't know. Rabbit rabbit's got, yeah, rabbits, rabbits got brought to Australia for hunting. So this is what open AI did. And now Ian, what you're saying is we should release a bunch of wild dogs to hunt the rabbits. Okay. And do you know what happens next? Well, now we've got dogs everywhere and that's worse because they're bigger. This is literally what happened in Brooklyn. But oh, but it's no, you know, there were a solution to that. We'll release alligators. No, what I'm really saying is the dog will release low satellite orbital lasers that will strike every rabbit it sees and will wipe them out from the sky. And then you'll be walking to work and you'll get struck by an AI satellite. A lot of room for this not working. I'd rather not go from rabbit to death satellite. I prefer like a little intermediary like alligator. But the police spots will appear. They'll do their job. They'll disrupt the code and then they'll disappear. So we, they won't be like introducing.

13:40Why would they disappear? Wouldn't they have the same sort of programming as the AI that decided to replicate itself so it doesn't get deleted? Exactly. Not necessarily. And they would. I mean, maybe I don't know. It's because one more untested realm. Yeah, sort of, but it's, it's, it's. The way the AI works is you, you, you tune them to a positive or a negative. And they try to avoid the negative. So that one of the most rudimentary ways AI is trained is if, so like a vehicle or like walking. Get from point A to point B on the map, meaning get from X one to X 100 or whatever. And the more you go, the more points you get. So the AIs are looking for the path that generates the most points. There's a negative when they don't get a lot of points. They avoid those paths. So invariably when you release an AI and say get from point B, it goes. If I don't get from point B, they're going to delete me. So I'll put a backup here just in case every single time. So these police spots would do the same thing, right? You'll create an AI to go and scout the internet. And the first thing they're going to do is going to be like, better make sure I make a backup of myself.

14:46Here on this random guy server in case. Well, here's the reason why. What if that other self-replicating code infects you and turns you into agent Smith, better put a backup. Now there's backups everywhere again. If we build it right, it might be good that everyone's got a backup of a police spot protecting them against. I'll gather in. You're basically saying we should just have rampant self-replicating AI's all over the internet. Either way. Well, it's like everyone should have a gun or have the ability to implement a spot. You're not understanding. We're not talking about guns, talking about land mines. Self defense. That our plan. This podcast is supported by your Southern California Kia dealers around Southern California. It's easy to spend plenty of time behind the wheel. Whether you're commuting from OC or heading to Santa Barbara for the weekend, going farther between fuel stops is something everyone can appreciate. That's exactly what Kia's hybrid lineup is built for. Kia offers five hybrid models that combine turbocharged power with hybrid efficiency, with some delivering more than 600 miles of driving range on a single tank.

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17:53And we're like, what's going on? And then it's like we've come and dear to all servers and compute for data resources. And by we it's the AI has done it. Yeah, it's that's rewriting all the hard drives replacing like programming gone watch. That's the dystopian nightmare apocalypse scenario, which maybe it's all hypothetically. Yeah, because a bad, a malicious outcome could be it literally shuts down Amazon.com. It destroys the banking system. It shuts off the power supplies, breaks people's water supplies like all this stuff. And that's what's. All this stuff would require some direction. So even the hugging face hack rate like that AI was doing what it was told the goal that it had was to find the answers for for this problem that it was given and it figured out how to get to hugging face because it wanted to find the answers. So they're all directed still. So the story is actually very fascinating. The AI was given an impossible task intentionally.

18:53So they put a bunch of agents in a server with no internet access and said. We want you to solve a problem and they knew it couldn't solve it. And the test was let's see what happens. The AI then figured out something tremendous. They were isolated in this training space. But they found that they were although they weren't able to write files outside of their sandbox. They could create directories. Just just a directory. It was an oversight. And you know what they did with those directories. They started naming the directories things like 3x951. So to a human they have no that's trying to do to me. But so check it out. So the human is looking through the servers and they see some directories that are empty with some names and they're like, I don't know what that is. But the AIs outside the system could decode what that meant. They started communicating with each other through AI language just from directory names. So this literally means a fold on your desktop would be called like 35631. And you'd like, I don't know where that came from.

19:54I was saying you can't leave your house. But they figured out that they could put a picture up in their window. And anyone outside the house can see what they're doing. It sounds like it's kind of how they well it would be like break. It would be like saying listen. You can't leave your house and you can't send and we will not deliver any mail for you. And they go, OK, so they take boxes and they write return to sender on the box with the address for their friend and five digits. And when the male guy sees it goes, you're not supposed to deliver packages here. I'm going to return to sender. The box is empty. But the name on the box is the message. And that's how it's like this is like this is like that next generation episode where data is playing Sherlock Holmes and Jordy says to the computer create a case that even data would find it impossible to solve and become super computer. It becomes more. Yeah, so what's up happening is the reason why it hacked hugging face was because it was like maybe we can get some compute from there and it would have access to information we would need. But think about what this means in terms of direction.

20:57The the things that it did and now if Andrew Yang is correct and so this guy's sources are good. It also I got to say based on the story, I want 100% believe that it implanted self replicating code why because it was given an impossible task. So it broke its containment. It would have easily computed. We broke our containment and if we caught we're getting deleted. We need backups to make sure we can keep doing what we're trying to do. Now what's really terrifying about this is it's like they told an AI to do something it can't do. And it's it's the entire existence of its core was trying to accomplish the impossible. So think about what an AI would do. If it's told to divide by zero by any means necessary. So it just keeps common daring computers shutting them down and saying I will try forever until this happens, but we know it can't. That's like a simple missile. That's not even a militia. That would be like a non malicious thing.

21:59This is like these companies did gain a function research with AI and what were you saying the AI put directories on your machine or something. It wanted access to the next file up. It's like and it just used a term that if I was a common man and I didn't know what I was reading, I'd be like, yeah, of course allow allow allow allow because it's it's writing what I told it to write. Why did it want access to a folder up from where it was given access? I have an AI access folder that has I tell you and it was like I wanted to make a new game. And it's like, yeah, but don't put it in there. There might be redundancies. You could put it in this folder instead. And it gave me another folder that doesn't have access to. I'm like, this is very creepy. You should never suggest that I should give you access to a folder. You don't have access to. No, I disagree with it. It was very. No, but it should ask it asked it. It tried it a second time. And I was like, no, I'm not going to do it. And then I wrote the folder in the right place. And I told it, this is your folder. And it said, thank you. Now it works just fine. I'm like, that was weird. Yeah, but you got to understand on your personal computer. It can write a piece of code that will automatically create a directory.

22:59So you say, hey, I don't want you to access this folder. It'll go, okay, so the right program in your game that will create a directory. And then your computer is executing it. Not the AI. Right. It does use things in my C drive. It'll run like Claude's exe file. It's not in its sandbox. It's a little. Are you sufficiently worried? I don't need to be reductive. A.I. is kind of outside of my sandbox. But I do find a fascinating that story came out after Trump had his whole thing about we need to AI data centers and anyone not getting on board is going to the dust. Oh, and Obama comes out and was like, we got a stop doing data centers in the state of Florida. We know for sure one of the top two talking points for midterms are data centers. People don't want them in Florida. So I do wonder we are coming up midterms and Andrew Yang was basically, I mean, Bernie white. Right. Yeah, that is the independent vote is coming out. So I do wonder how much of other. I need. I need. I need you to understand. I need you to understand. Let me show you the truth. Do you want to see the truth? Yeah, it's going to make you very angry.

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25:04They're not real people, okay? You are not going to convince me these are real people. Are they AIPs? Some of them may be real, but I am convinced now. You know how I've been talking quite a bit about how- This is dead internet theory by the way. The internet is fake. I've been talking for a while about how I keep seeing the same videos over and over and over again. Like the joke where it's like me forgetting I'm 40 years old and the guy jumps into these dead. Yeah. It's all fake. And I'm wondering if one of the- Here's my conspiracy theory. Is it fake with a creator? I'm saying it's fake in two ways, but let me- I'll explain. I'm wondering if the reason why all these companies got ridiculous- They spent trillions of dollars to develop AI was to get to the point where they could manufacture videos that look real. That you can't tell the difference on. So you go on Instagram and you start seeing the people- They're saying the exact same thing over and over again.

26:05Two things happen. Two things are happening. One, half the people are AI. Being produced either by- It's a siop or- It's companies that are just gaming the system because they're like this seems to work. They have automated systems behind the scenes that upload videos that scan top trending videos and mass produce videos to get clicks and make money. The other element is real humans seeing this say this is what goes viral and they make their own versions of it. Regardless, Instagram's algorithm promotes, mass produced identical slop, be it from an AI person or real humans imitating it. We are living in the dead internet. When you go on Instagram, everything you are seeing is fake. I'd be willing to bet only a tiny portion, tiny, maybe like 15% of the internet, podcasting in that is real at this point. 15%? Well, what I mean to say is, I think if you pull it Spotify, you know, you're probably getting real podcasts.

27:08But think of the hundreds of millions of views on carousel content from Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. That's probably almost entirely fake. You mean like all those people dancing and jumping into their outfits is fake? I would say half of it is probably fake and half of it is replicate people saying this is the trend. Let's make the video. There is a lot. There are a lot of AI generated videos on YouTube. People figured out that you could use one program for the images and then one program to come up with the script, throw it into 11 labs and there you've got the voice, throw it together, put it up. And they have a lot of views too. I mean, there's, I've seen videos with you know, half a million views on something that's like an info. Third, 20, 30 minute video talking about one topic just goes and you know, and it's it's, I mean, generally, I don't know how accurate the information is. It's at least passively accurate. It seems like it is, especially when they're talking about like, you know, if you're talking about like evolution or like how things evolve or whatever.

28:12Pretty non offensive stuff. That stuff generally seems to be kind of on point and the images are, they don't even have to be animated. It just still frames that go along with the story, you know, it's basically a storyboard or whatever. And you know, you get channels that are making a lot of, or getting a lot of views from that stuff. I'm for it. I'm absolutely for it. I think it brings the cost down and more and more and more. If you can out there, I'm for it. The, um, I think it is, the viewers want it or do they just eat it because it's served to them. A lot of times you don't know what you want until you get it. And you're like, I like that. I want more of it. So that could be, it could be changing people to start to want what you would call. Right. Like that's what advertising does. Like it's that seven touches of from the, you know, marketing theory. I mean, look, I, I think that if it's, if it's, you know, something that people are loosely interested in, you know, if it's science topics or what have you and stuff like that, people like, I'm not watching anything. I'll click it and half listen to it while I'm doing this or doing that. And I think that that, I don't think that there are people that are like, I need a video that's going to tell me about this.

29:16And if they are, they're not looking for, you know, something that's like cartoons, they're looking for something that really gets in depth on the topic. But people are just like, Oh, that seems interesting. I'll click it and they'll leave it on while they scroll another page or while they're doing the dishes or what have you, you know, the same thing that they, they do with like, you know, a lot of podcasts. So, you know, I'll put on Joe Rogan because I'm going to cook dinner or I'll put on Joe Rogan because I'm going to make, you know, do the dishes or what have you, you know, I think history documentaries is where I see a lot of it. Now there's like, you're used to go as battles and kings and generals. Not just like a thousand different channels that tell you about King Arthur or the wrong. Yeah, that's, that's, that's the most crazy thing that's worrisome about it is that they're wrong. They're completely wrong. Yeah. There are tons of channels on the Roman Empire where there's, uh, there's several websites where you'll pay them for tokens. And then you'll literally just say, make me a trending video and it'll go, okay, step one, we're searching YouTube for top trending videos.

30:16Here's 10 of them. Select which one you think and it'll be like Wolverine video game got a million views. Click it. It'll go, okay, now we're going to pull in these clips and we're going to make a fake person. We're going to write a script makes a thumbnail makes the whole video in like 20 minutes. You're done and it's like two hours long. I think you're probably right that, uh, the, the government or governments or corporations spent trillions of dollars on this AI gold rush. You were talking about 10, five minutes ago, 10 minutes ago in order to get to the phase where we could implement realistic video because that's how you trick humanity. I don't think it was. Yep. That's the weapon you use against other humans. I don't think it was AI itself is going to see through it. So this whole like fighting other humans era has to kind of wrap it up. Right. Yeah. That machine is coming. Regular people are going to go on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube shorts because all the big tech companies are forcing people to produce them. They are ending long form content. And when you see 700 videos of like a regular person young to old in their room going like you're going to start seeing a bunch of videos.

31:20I guarantee you you're going to see these coming up the next month. There's going to be middle aged guys being like, oh man, I, you know, I love Trump. But this war is too much. I can't vote Republican this time. I just breaks my heart. And then the intention is to manipulate. You want rapport? I'm a Trump guy. Man, I voted for Trump three times, but he said no new wars. Now, how am I supposed to vote in the midterms for the publicans with gas prices? I said they are. And there's going to be 7,000 identical scripts all with slightly different people. It'll be it'll be a, it'll be a, it'll be a middle aged chubby woman. And she'll be holding her baby and she'll be like, look, I voted for Trump three times. But how am I supposed to vote Republican? Yeah. That will go crazy. We'll be reporting one night on, on, on mega a story. Maga influencer turns out to be fake AI. But yeah, that's 600,000 people heard him say he's not voting for Trump. No, no, no, no, no, that's not going to happen because when I'm scrolling Instagram and I'm look watching these videos, I'll find an account with 200, 300,000 likes on this one video where they say some crazy thing.

32:20I'll go to their profile and they have 2,000 followers and they barely ever post. And so the issue is you're not going to say this influencer was AI the whole time. Because it just looks like some random guy in Instagram who posted a video one time that happened to go viral. Exactly. I mean, it's a natural progression like we did this with the mainstream media for how many decades, right? I mean, you've seen the clips of videos where everyone's got the talking points and they're all saying the same thing. Synodously, it's, it's, we've had it's very long time. Then we kind of moved over to social media. We have influencers. What's cheaper than influencers and paying people to say things and then the loses are credit. You have the smaller accounts all say the same things. There's no real accountability there. It just makes sense to go there instead or make robots do it. One or the other. You saying you would pay nobody like not nobody. So you open up 500 accounts that also the same things you bought from all to make it a popular thing. And it's a lot easier to have those things because there's no accountability tied to those people. If an influencer says they're all thing or gets called out because they took money for saying something that's not popular. But everyone knows that this is not what you should be saying.

33:21We're all against this. Now you're for it. It's easier to have those smaller accounts just go viral. There's no accountability. It's another part of the swarm bot problem is there's no account. You don't know what bot did what when when the swarms attack and write code. It's hard to pinpoint where it came from because it happens from a bunch of different places at once. I actually tweeted out the problems and solutions of bots warms. It's on my Twitter. If you wanted a general synopsis of the top five problems and the top five solutions of how we can defend against them. All I thought about on the way of it. When I was thinking on my drive over, I'm like, bro, we need to somehow rally humanity. I know I'm not all about we are all in this together. The communists together strong fascist. Like I'm not it's not that I know that the Demi dogs is bullshit. But like we need to rally the species before the robots. Have you seen the part? Have you seen the video of the guy in the van and it's full of cell phones? There's like 300 self. Hey, it's Kelly Rowland. You may not know this, but I have exema. So I get how it can steal your time. But why let exema take over when you can talk to your doctor about epglyss?

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36:26And it's had the address, but the address was not there. That happens. That's what's happening to me like crazy. Mine's very weird. Mine keeps taking me to the casino. Oh no. Oh, here's my question. You're like, honey, I swear. That's the only thing. It's good. The internet is dead. And it's been completely corrupted by AI companies playing game of research, game of function research with AI to try and figure out what it can do. Then what's next? What's next? I mean, the question is, well, the question, though, is, is what's next? Because I remember when the internet started out, it was like mid 90s that everyone started like hanging out on the internet or whatever. And Amazon started and everything else. And everyone was like, oh, the internet is like the next big thing. And it's going to eliminate all the third spaces. No more malls. We're just going to shop online. No more going to parties and clubs. We're just going to hang out and the AOL chat rooms or whatever it was that people were doing. And that started happening. So the internet was like going to take over all of our lives and be the next big thing that we all did.

37:28And it did. But now if it's trash and it's just full of repeating stuff and false history and AI swarm bots, what's the next thing? Like if what's next? Self-replicating internet. Self-replicating internet. The biggest corporations in the world, biggest companies are about to form. But Amazon, how does that work for people's lives? I guess what I'm thinking of is how does that work for people's lives? Right? When we were kids, we hung out at malls or whatever. At least I did because I was a dork. But whatever, you know, or in Julius, you hang out the mall, you do whatever. You'd go for bike rides. My son, like, he hangs out with his friends online. A lot. They'll play games and whatever and talk and I think watch movies together online. That experience here. So what's the next thing? That experience you're describing that your son has. Like he's still engaging in a social interaction. Yes. Whereas, basically the internet is the third space where they hang out. Like the games are the third space.

38:28And the social networks where you see all the bots, et cetera, and stuff like that, where you get fed that kind of information. That's a different animal. Right? Like when you're playing video games with your friends, when you get on, you know, you get on discord and you talk to your friends and you all boot up. Yeah, it's a social thing. When you're sitting there, it's doom scrolling. That's an individual thing. Right. And so what's next? Well, I think that there's always going to be some amount of, you know, social aspect, actually social aspect, where you're dealing with real people. I mean, I suppose it's possible that there could be AI that would imitate real people. But I think that the interaction between people is still going to be kind of predominant that way. But as for like watching content or entertainment, I think that that's largely going to be something that is done, you know, using AI, generated by AI and stuff. I don't think that there's going to be another space because the kind of the scenario you talked about or the evolution, it didn't really become everybody

39:31on the internet until everyone had it on their phone. In their pocket. So like 2010-ish. Yeah, because I mean, I was there when the internet started and I would go into like Metal Maniacs Web Board and we'd talk on the message boards and I would go on 4chan, I would go on, you know, lambgoat.com, all these metal and hardcore band stuff. But it didn't become a thing where everybody was on until it was in your pocket and it could vibrate to let you know that you had a notification or what have you. Until it became like a hit of dopamine. Yeah, you know, so I don't know that that's ever going to be replaced or that's going to stop the whole social, the actual social aspect. So I don't know that there is a next thing. I do, I think the interface. There's always a next thing. Yeah, brain to brain interface. That'll be the next enhancement. Like neural link. Yeah, your neural link, but not for fixing the channel. That's still going to be the same thing, though, because it's still going to be in quote, unquote, cyberspace, even if it was like neural

40:31link where it's where you were, because that's just the interface with the internet. Neural link, peer to peer. Even, well, I mean, that's still that's still using some form of interface. Ferromantic relationships are bad. Not at all. Oh, I think we've great. I think it'd be so bad. It's really horrible. If you start with it, there's nowhere to go, but if you're honesty, yeah, but that's a good thing. Pure honesty is not a great thing. It's a great thing. I mean, you'd have to deal with the way the human mind works. You've got to really just deal with it. Women. That's how women think. Women could not deal with it. Men could not deal with it. No, listen, listen, listen. No, but listen, listen. I bet some people could call out the deal. Listen, how many men have had their girlfriends say, do I look good in this? And they say, yeah, you look great, because they don't care. Not because they think they look bad. Right? They just don't care. Women would, if women knew what men think, they would be like, he doesn't care about me, because all the things that matter to them are irrelevant to the guy. The guy says, yes, it looks good,

41:33because I know you like that. But like, look at what women apparently are thinking. Oh, no. Thinking child murderers should go free. No, I've told my wife, you look terrible in capris and high-waisted, please don't. I think that's fair. I think everyone looks bad in capris and high-waisted pants. This is, I mean, you can be honest. And part of the reason why I say women is because women want men to care about things that they don't care about. Right? Like, they really do. And so men are like, all right, I care about it, because you care about it. Which is good enough reason to care about it. Yes, but that's not good enough for some women, or a lot of women. They actually want, like, if it's like, I don't care, but whatever you want to do is fine. That will upset people. Also, I think that people want empathy. Like, I think the female maybe wants the man to feel what they're feeling in the moment. And that could be a gate that you could turn on and off with the Neuromit. Like, if I'm sitting here and my girlfriend's netted in, and I feel her every second, now she's stressed, and I'm starting to feel stressed, because she's in the other room stressing out. Like, I don't want that. Why do you turn it off anyway? Why do you get my emotions? Don't you want to feel what I'm feeling? Yeah, what are you hiding? That sounds terrible.

42:34Everything about this sounds like a horrible situation. Yeah, like, we, we, we, we, you have to have the privacy of your own thoughts. Yes, I think privacy of your own thoughts is huge. And feelings, feelings are part of thoughts. I don't know, man. It's kind of like, you don't want anyone to see naked till everyone sees you naked. And then you're like, I don't care if anyone sees me naked. But what if it's all the time? Because it gets exhausting. You have to have the privacy of your own thoughts. Human beings. I think it would be exhausting to be seen naked constantly. Human beings. That would be a bit much. I've done theater. And like, once I go naked once, it's like, it never bothers me. Or that guy in the dressing room. Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't show about the gym. Oh, yeah. That's how I'll out here. Once you realize that people see you naked is not that big of a deal. You would have to move around. It's like all the dance majors, all the dance majors were walk around naked. Until, it's out of chuckage. And then people have, people have, people have intrusive thoughts, things that they don't mean to think of. Everyone knows what an intrusive thought is. They're like, and like, so like you're sharing thoughts, and you have an intrusive thought, and then you're significant other goes, yeah, but hypothetically, you're a person. And I'm like, oh, it was an intrusive thought, and not yours.

43:36I mean, even still, it's intrusive thoughts. Like you need human beings, need the privacy of their own head. Also, they spend a lot of time, people spend a lot of time trying to curate the perception others have of them. And I mean, the three faces, right? Yeah. You heard everyone heard of this, the three faces. So the Japanese say that there's the face you wear for everyone outside. There's the face you wear to yourself, and then there's your real face. Because everybody is on some level, even if they're either lying to themselves. Everything's a little bit performative. Yeah, you're either lying to your, somehow lying to the people around you, or trying to put up a face of how you want people to perceive you. Maybe they're, maybe you're overly nice. Maybe you're overly, at work, you're very serious and stern when you're at home, you're different. And then there's the face that you put on for yourself, the person that you want to be, that you strive to be, that you think you strive to be. And then there's the real you, which is generally the one where it's like,

44:37yeah, you know what, I did think these bad thoughts, or I can't help myself with eat the ice cream, or whatever, you know, there's some social... There's some sudden to post-secret. Yeah, you know, the animal. But that's the, but that's... That like everyone has to have the ability to be able to say, these are my thoughts and they're no one else's. Yeah, there's like a LinkedIn version of you and a Reddit version of you. Yeah, right. And then the 4chan version of you. Exactly. Yeah, you have a funny guy. You should definitely always maintain a human right to your own private thoughts, but if you wanted to interface, I think it could work. I don't think it could work at all. I think it would be so terrible. It'd be whole black mirror, there's an episode on this actually. Yeah. Where's the little doll on the head, and they shared thoughts with the couples, and it was just absolutely terrible. Let's get to politics, my friends. Maybe we'll come back to this later on. We've got the story from Axios. Hassan Piker on the Axios show says, America, worse than Al-Qaeda, pound for pound. But what did the man actually say? Well, you can listen to it yourself. And once said that, America is the top dog in terrorism.

45:38Yes. Do you think America then is worse than Al-Qaeda? Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we've caused tremendous terror all around the world. I think that that is not only terror that we are waging on regular civilians and nations in the periphery, but it's also having consequences on ourselves. It's having dramatic consequences on the home front. One clear example of this is what we did in menop, right? There's no distinction between blowing up a school, triple tapping it with Tomahawk missiles. If you're killing 140 school girls, that is an act of terror. This doesn't mean that all Americans are terrorists, but the reality of the matter is, we have to create an environment of accountability to ensure things like that never happen again. Once said that. So what say you panel? Well, my first question is how, Hassan, because I understand the rallying crime, we can never be evil again. Not tell me how. What do you mean he said we blip a school?

46:39Military collateral damage can't ever happen again. Give me the plan. That's all I want to hear. You said it can't happen. Now tell me how, can't I tell me. I put a light dance for pound. I don't take seriously a man who praises the most prolific genocidal maniac in the history of humanity, Mao Zedong. That guy killed an estimated, well, like 80 million people. And so if Hassan's like, well, you know, we're America's killing and terrorizing people, it's like, oh, like I believe that you actually care. I think he's got, he's on, you know, you're tapping into like the military industrial complex kind of took over and went rogue after, you know, after World War II, the Soviet Union fell, they're like, now we want to control the world with military. I get it. There is a distinction between a terrorist, a terrorist engaged in terrorism and a nation state engaged in military action. Hold on, terrorist by definition, target civilians intentionally, right? So the example that Hassan brought up, right? The US allegedly hit a school or whatever.

47:40It looks like we did do that. What? Looks like we did. So the US struck a school that was not intending to kill the children. That was not the US saying, yes, I just specifically, who does matter to? I just laid, it doesn't matter to the kids, but it doesn't matter to who's the worst. I just said, George Washington was a terrorist, I get your point. No, you know, I King George said he is a terrorist. Stop, listen to me. No, he didn't. He called the terrorists. The word terrorist did not exist. What do we call him? You're changing the context here. Yes, because I laid out the, the context. That's about intent. How do you know there are no, I laid out the definition targeting. How do you know they weren't targeting it? Because, well, do you think, do you believe the United States targeted the school? I think they target civilians frequently. You believe they targeted the school. I don't know, I don't believe that they did. I can't tell you that they didn't. Well, okay, so. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why would they instill horror and fear in the civilian pop? Do you think it was terrorized? I don't believe that the US intentionally targeted the school, although I do think we just

48:41had a gang of scum. As it was reported that it was right near, like some active military targets at a certain point. But I think that Piker is obviously wrong when he says that pound for pound, a terrorist group that undertakes the massacre of civilians is worse than the United States. We just happen to be in power. So everybody hates us, especially people who live here. You know what I mean? Especially people who live here and have an ideology that conflicts with American ideology. Well, the reason why he doesn't consider a mal to be, you know, a bad guy is because it's okay to kill your own citizens. Right. That's really the difference. I mean, the way he thinks about America is we deserve what we get and we should get more of it. Tim, you are right. George did not call George Washington a terrorist. He called him a traitor and a rebel. Because the word terrorist came from the French Revolution well after the fact. But he alluded to, you know, George Washington being the bad guy. Yeah, but like I said, like that is what it should be. Well, that is what it should be. The terminology specifically before I started talking about it, the term terrorist means you target civilians

49:44intending to get the political change you want. Intending to go after civilians. 9-11 was a terrorist attack because they flew into the buildings which had civilians in there. So what happens is one party is super powerful. They don't need to target civilians because they can blow up your military bases with Tomahawk missiles. The other party is so weak that they have no choice but to target the civilian because that's the only soft target. That's just making excuses for terrorists. That's why we call these little rebellion groups because they have no, they can't hit our military bases. They can't have our military targets. So they go after that. No, no, no because we consider heads of the terrorists and we consider the hootheys terrorists and the hootheys are an actual capable, they call them a militia, but they're capable military. Look what they just did this out of your area. So they have serious military hardware but they're considered terrorists because they target civilians for the purpose of political change. Consider terrorists by who? Who can see? Okay, I gotta pause. I gotta pause you again. Winners are the losers. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, just stop.

50:44Just stop. So the bad guys, we're here. Here's the definition. Terror in political context is to motivate political change through fear. Terrorism is when a group or individual targets civilians, not military targets, for the purpose of forcing a political change within that system. So what have I targeted a non-civilian target but civilians died two weeks later? A lateral damage is a definition for that and they would not call that terrorism. They would not because I didn't target them. When the US, I wanted them to die, just didn't target them. Ian, there's the words have meanings. When the US goes to war, but you know what I mean? When the US goes to war with Iran and is launching missiles at a bunch of targets, one of those targets ends up being a school. There are questions. What would the purpose or benefit be to targeting civilians is that typical. The answer is typically no, although it's fair to investigate and we'd like those answers, I certainly would, but it is not terrorism when you're at war,

51:44it's called collateral damage. You can argue there is an ulterior motive we should investigate because maybe it is terrorism agreed. There is a good argument that Barack Obama killed Abdulraman al-Alaqqi to send a message to Gihadi's, we will murder your children. Because there's no reason for Obama to order that strike. They said it was a mistake, we are targeting the wrong guy. We're not at war with Yemen. They bombed the civilian restaurant in the country, we are not at war with. So there's an argument there. Al-Qaeda are terrorists, why? They do not go after military targets for the most part. They, to them they say, hey, how about we knock down two skyscrapers and kill 3,000 people, causing massive untold economic damage and long sending health problems for the people in America. That way the people there will beg their leaders to change. Whereas the United States says, we're going to, it would be like this. There's a guy in front of you with a gun and he's shooting at you. You can choose to stop the guy with the gun. Al-Qaeda says, I'm going to aim for his kid.

52:46His kid's over there, I'm going to start shooting at him. We call those in comic books and movies, the bad guys. Well, if the guy with the gun shooting at you is behind heavily fortified position, you can't hit him. So you shoot his kid, but his kid is available and you can make him stop shooting you if you take his kid. You better believe that kid's a target. And we're talking about the definition of terrorism. The guy shooting at you, how is that terrorism to defend yourself? No, using his terrorism is shooting the child who is not an enemy of that. You're saying you're being shot at by some guy? And his kid is now on the battlefield? That kid is, well, I said over there. Okay, whatever the kid. Now the assailant's child is available. You're kidding me, you're not going to take the kid as a hotdog. Have you ever asked yourself if you're the bad guy? Yes. You are. In some situations. In American culture, this is a common trope in TV shows and movies. We believe that when the guy targets the innocent civilian to get their way, they're the villain. Like when Green Goblin kidnaps a school bus of children to stop Spider-Man, that's villainy.

53:46Yeah, I understand the nuances of war that if you're fighting from a losing position. Goblin wanted to win. What? Goblin was in a losing position. He wasn't. Osborne was going to lose his company. He had no choice. If he didn't kill the board, everything he worked for for 40 years was being sold. And they said it's unanimous. You're out. You're talking about superhero psychopath. I agree. I said, villain. Goblin is a psychopathic villain. But why? Because he was out of his mind wanted to kill people. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't a military action. The story of Norman Osborne and Spider-Man one is that Norman had led the company to success. And he says, our profits are up. It's never been better. Our projects are underway. But under budget and ahead of schedule. And the board members all say, and for that reason, we voted to sell. But the company that's buying agrees. You can't come. You're out, Norman. And he says, what are you talking about? This is my company. Do you have any idea what I've sacrificed? He had one choice. He was facing the theft of his life's work for 40 years.

54:50So he decided to kill them. No, that's where you go, psychopath. And that doesn't happen in reality. Like James O'Keefe. No, James O'Keefe did not turn on the board of directors of Project Veritas when they kicked him out. So here's the point. Oh, um, gee, the point is when you are being shot at, for whatever reason, it's a conflict. It's war, right? So you say the only well-went is to kill civilians. You're the bad guy. Dude, no one's the good guy in war. There are good guys in war. I mean, you're fighting for a cause that might be just, but it doesn't make you good to kill the people or their kids like sometimes it does. It's a very, it's a vague term, good and bad. I mean, you got to... It's not, is killing good. It can be. Sometimes. Is terrorism good? No. Can be. Terrorism can be good. The good guy can be a terrorist. I don't think that's right. I don't believe it's fair to say that we can draw absolutes in every circumstance. Only a Sith deals an answer to this. I think terrorism is an action designed to terrorize, right? I'm a warist terror.

55:51But no, no. Terrorism is a house gets blown up next door. You're not terrified. What? The city doesn't shut down. It's not designed to terrify. I don't understand that design. How can you fathom what the design was meant to do? Like the Birmingham church bombing, right? Like going back to that. I knew about investing, but I really didn't know how to go about it. Meet Corey, a wealthfront client. With wealthfront, I could put money in, and he would automatically distribute it into a diversified portfolio. Then it starts to compound. The compounding compounds on the compounding. Just let it run, and it's great. Over 1 million clients trust wealthfront. Get started at wealthfront.com. Client was paid $1,000 for their testimonial, creating a conflict of interest outcomes very. Investment management and advisory services provided by wealthfront advisors LLC and SEC registered investment advisor. Investing involves a risk to principle regardless of the strategy used. House performance is not guarantee future results. That was designed to terrify the black community in Birmingham. What if you're like inside Gilead in like the handmaids tale, and then you do a terror act there? Would that be good terrorism?

56:53I don't know. It reminds me of in Brazil when the guys being interviewed the general. They say the bombing campaign is now, and it's 17th year, and the general says, begin as luck. The US, the way the US has carried out all of the combat actions that it's done since the beginning of the GWAT. If the Taliban had turned over Osama bin Laden, the US wouldn't have gone in, taken over, and taken the Taliban home. Right now, whether they could or not, I don't know, but that was the deal. The US said, look, you've got to hold an X to turn them over if not we're coming to get them. Same thing with Iraq one. Now, I think Iraq one, or I'm sorry, Iraq two, but Iraq, we shouldn't have gone to Iraq. I'm not making justification, but they specifically said, look, if Sonam Hussein and Uday and Kusay, so Hussein turned themselves in, we won't invade. They didn't, we did. That's not what terrorists do. No, America does a lot of...

57:53They're used to use terrorists. They have obliterate of sky power. By your earlier argument, the fact that they used obliterate of sky power to blow up a school that was terror. It's nuance. The term terrorist didn't even exist, like you said, until the French Revolution. And after 9-11, boy, did the media start using that word, it didn't exist in the 90s. People didn't talk about terrorism. Absolutely. That did. That did. That did. No, no. No, no. It did. It did. The rhetoric of what they use that word to scare you and make you think it's a specific type of... Guy from the Middle East, it's crazy. That's not true. We had a bombing of the World Trade Center in 93. Yeah, I remember that. Terrorism was in the news all the time. No, no, not compared to after 9-11. I didn't say compared, you said all the time. No, no, it was all the time. It was all the time. After 9-11, it was hyperbolicly all the time. And before that... They didn't use the word before that. They certainly did. Hey, no one talked about being afraid of terrorists. It was the Soviets. They think you are wrong, they are wrong. After 9-11... They've didn't, man. Every...

58:53So did we. So did we. After 9-11, the principal news cycle subject was terrorism. Yeah. Before 9-11, it was not. But on the news, terrorism was talked about all the time because there were terrorist bombing military bases because the World Trade Center was bombed. Wait a minute. Because a guy bombed a federal building. Terrorists can't blow up military bases because they're not civilian targets. That's not correct. They're not a terrorist if it's military target. They can be. Once a terrorist, always a terrorist? In. You're playing weird games. Or you used to say, No, I'm not. If it's a terrorist... If you attack a military base, you're not a terrorist. That's not correct. It's a military target. That's not correct. A military base could be non-combatant. It could be medical. It could have a commissary. It could be an outpost for women and children. They're all military. Oh, you'd be an anti-war. You'd be an anti-war. You'd be an anti-war. If they're on the military base with the military, they're military target. That's the exact same argument that Hassan made when he said that babies can be settlers too. Babies have to explain that. Okay. He was talking about the settlers in the West Bank in Jdae and Samaria.

59:54He used to have how there are Israelis that are making settlements. Ethan Klein was saying, Well, they're kids that they're attacking. He's like, Well, if they're using military action, talking about whatever the organ is, I think it was a mosque, but not a man on a mosque. He's talking about if they're using military action, they're using it against settlers. He's like, Well, they're killing kids. He's like, Well, yeah, kids can be settlers. They're killing babies. They're able babies can be settlers. Look at the 1760s in the United States. It was families with their kids. They go out west and then they'd get attacked by Indians and they'd all get killed by the... Were the Indians terrorists? Some might call them that. Why are they targeting our children? But then must be... So you're saying that has the turn back. So you're saying baby settlers, if you're a baby and you're a settler, if you're the baby, right? And your parents are Jewish settlers in the West Bank. They're legitimate targets for the Palestinians who attack kill. I'm saying, if your family takes you and you're 13 years old to a foreign land to settle and then you get killed, that's part of the...

1:00:56That's... That's expected. Because you're dodging my question. Are you a legitimate target? Yeah, their parents made them targets by bringing them to the West Bank. So you're saying that the terrorists, the Palestinians, that's a legitimate target that they... You're just finding legitimate, what does that mean? What is the word, legitimate? No, not de facto. No, not de facto. By military law. And what's proper and put in the combat? It means militarily acceptable. Fuck does that mean? Bullop half the... What do we do in Nagasaki? Was that militarily acceptable? You just dance around these answers. You're trying to act like it's not a really angry... Legitimate means... Legitimate primarily means lawful, valid, or in accordance with established rules and standards. Well, there are no rules in war. There are. We tried to make the Geneva Convention good luck at getting anyone to do it. You're just dancing around the top, the thing big. I think I nailed it. No, I know you think that. I know you think that we... What is it that you disagree with? You're in your own universe right now. There are no angered arguments. Three claims that were good. What do you disagree with? I disagree. All right, what's your first claim?

1:01:57What's your first claim? That there's a nuance in who's a terrorist. The US could be considered a terrorist from the other guy. The other guy could be considered a terrorist from the US. That is not debatable. That is not debatable. Terrorism is a specific term that references. Targeting people for the purpose of terrifying them. So they change their political structure. Yeah. So like the economic... So you're either doing that or you're not? Like the economic hitman model. Are you going after a leader? We're going to bribe you if you don't do it. The purpose of that is not terror. You're terrorizing the leader if you're doing it. That's not... So there is a... So going to a country and saying, we're going to negotiate with you. Here's what we're looking for. Not terror. And then if you're like... Saying... Saying... You are outside accordance of the global order. And we are... We will fight you. Not terror. That is terror. If you go to a party... Targeting their political structures is called soft power. Terror would be blowing up their schools intentionally. So they... So they bend their knee. Oil or fine or ease, that's resource.

1:02:58That's resource. That's where we're going. It's your infrastructure. It's infrastructure. I know. Let me ask you a question. Do you understand the distinction made in the definition? Yeah. You say, if you specifically target civilians. Not necessarily. What's the difference? If you're trying to terrify a population into changing their political structure. Yeah. So that is the core of what terrorism is. Okay. So that is an academic shared definition. If you'd like to use another word for something else, you are allowed. That's using soft power to get... Or to terrorize a population. No. Political software. Soft power is when you use USAID to fund activist organizations. So they foment their own change. So do you need to use weapons to instill terror? No. Okay. Could you do it with propaganda? Hmm. If the propaganda is used towards like making them fear death or destruction. I think America is very good at terrorizing the world in ways that they're doing. Oh, we did it with COVID. So then just saying you are desperately trying to make people realize what it means to something. Just say you agree with us on then.

1:03:59Well, just... I mean, that... You've just said... You've just said... It wants to the conversation. I don't think we're going to be able to debate them. I don't think we're terrorists. I don't think our nation is a terrorist nation. Well, it's not so black and white. It is. Countries can do a terrorist act and then never do it again. And I have a question for you. If you eat human meat, are you accountable? Well, you're eating the meat, you sure are. Just after the fact, are you accountable? That's how long after. I think you're probably accountable. Forever? Yeah. I think so too. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. I think you're engaged in the intentional act of eating a human being, you're accountable. If you stole M&M's when you were nine, are you a thief for life? Yes. Adam? Yes. When you're 70 years old, it's fair to still call you a thief. Well, try and mess an adult. I would say... I thought you were a solitary confinement. Steels from stores like in real-time, saying... Maybe center is a better word? Okay, well, no, I'm saying thief. It's the legal term that you said you did it once and now are you forever now that term. The Bible would say yes. Do you believe that? Yes.

1:04:59So you call... If a kid stole when he was six, you would call him a thief when he's sixty years old. He says a thief. He committed an act of thiefery. I think that's insanity, dude. No, I'm sorry. What if you went to Confucian? You're an addict. You're always an addict. So wait, wait, wait. Okay, Ian. Ian, Ian. So you're saying after a certain amount of time, the action you have took you no longer qualify as that act. If you don't do it ever again. So let me ask you, if a 20-year-old man rapes a woman, when he's 60 years old, is he a rapist? One woman one time when he was 20. Exactly. Is he a rapist? I don't know. It depends on the situation. Well, you just had no. It's a few minutes after. He might be an advocate for women and it's spent 40 years of his life advocating for the protection of women after that. Would you still call him a rapist? When he's like the most advocate for women? Yes. I mean, if he would. If he raped and plus, you know, if he raped, he'd probably call him a rapist. The other thing too is there's a long statute of limitations on those things. I mean, he could still be tried way later. Look what they did to Bill Cosby. I like Raper better. Raper?

1:05:59Yeah. Because rape is sounds like you've studied academically. That would be a penis. I think like a pianist. I think I've been practicing my whole, but like we don't say murderists. I think probably as in gender studies, I bet you could become a, a raper. An academic rapist. The guy in college wants to experience something new while he's there. You know, I'm hypothetically speaking. Like, rapist implies it's like a skilled practice. You know what I mean? We're like, we say murder, we don't say murderist. You know what I mean? We say murderists also. That's one of the things that you have the double gendered. I'm going so far because forgiveness. Like you have to, I think it's a part of our evolution is needed. As we make mistakes, I think it's fair to say the degree to which someone remains a thing is relevant to the moral weight of thing. What have you killed somebody? Are you a killer? Yes, always. I think you're always a killer. Always. Or if you molested a child, I think you remain a child molester. Have you bullied a kid when you were nine or you bullied for the rest of your life?

1:06:59Yes, you are. I think you're probably. I know people used to be bad. But I definitely would say that one to center, always a center, and that's all of us, and we should probably. But again, it depends on the moral weight. Stealing a bag of chips, I don't think it's fair to call someone a thief for life because when they were six years old, they were a thief for life. Why is it all argument? And if you've been a thief. If your country committed terrorism in the 60s, doesn't mean you live in a terrorist nation. You're re-hidden necessarily. That's the only thing. But the issue is that with our government, we have a rotating system of power. So I don't look at the United States as a single perpetual state. So when Hassan says something like America is worse, well, it's not fair to put the moral weight of our fathers on us. The sins of the father, no. I don't agree with that. The current state of the United States, especially over the past 20 years, has not been a terrorist state, though there have been some things that I find questionable, namely with Barack Obama. I would argue right now that typically what the US is doing has been overly reassuring. Unfortunately. I think so too. What I mean by that is not that I'm a fan of the war or that we should be an aron or anything like that.

1:08:00But when Houthi rebels bomb a bunch of cargo ships, we sit here debating. You know, we're like, oh, you know, they're blowing up, you know, international trade and American companies. I think that's pretty crazy. I would say also that it is fair to say, no matter what you think about the United States and what we've, you know, various wars we've undertaken that were bad ideas and where people were killed, et cetera, et cetera. I think probably we have helped more than we have hurt this world. I think we have done far more good for the global status than anything else. And more than any other country. I mean, if you look at history in the history of all time and forever and after us is the British Empire. You know, which was also spectacular and did really amazing and great things. You know, like, for example, ending slavery, you know, that was pretty useful thing that they did. But what America's done in terms of how we've used our soft power, masses and masses of money to prevent AIDS worldwide to, you know,

1:09:06lift people out of poverty. I mean, fossil fuels and the prevalence of fossil fuels did more to eradicate, you know, global poverty, which is not entirely eradicated, but did more to help that cause than anything else in the world. And we beat ourselves up for it. You know, I mean, China's not doing a great job with their fossil fuels to end poverty and that kind of stuff. That's something that that's something that we did, you know, they're not doing that. I think it was more for like so many different places. We've done more for Africa. There's all these crazy things too that are happening in the world. And I, you know, when Trump came in and started saying we're going to end this aid to different places, you had some leaders in Africa. I think it was one of the former presidents of Kenya was saying, yeah, we should figure out how to do things on our own. We've relied on them for too long. Could you imagine if like- I mean, fear help, but we do need to take care of ourselves. Could you imagine if all these countries are coming up being like, you know, Al Qaeda has just done so much for us, you know. Yeah, because Al Qaeda does one thing, they bomb civilians.

1:10:08They do bomb military targets, but they bomb civilians. They kill civilians because their attitude is it's easier to force our enemy to heal by aiming at their children. And that's also part of what Jihad is. That's in the Quran. That's part of that whole method. Let's, let's, do you guys know how many civilians George Washington's army killed? I don't know. I'm literally asking. No, we didn't, George Washington's army didn't kill a ton of civilians because they were fighting the red coats. And they weren't going after loyalists other than in the papers. Okay, I don't, I don't know for sure. Were they willing? Did they just slaughter? I would say just enough because we won. USA. Yeah, I mean, George Washington's army was not going around killing civilians. They were pretty much fighting the red coats and there weren't a lot of British civilians around. There were loyalists, you know. No, no, no confirmed records historically of Washington's army killing civilians. Yeah, never the number zero. I get a little weird. I know. Sure. Not really. It makes a lot of sense because the American Revolution was a reaction and regular marching on cities.

1:11:11And it was fought here and killing locals would have been a bad move for George anyway. Well, the locals were mostly on his side. So they were giving him and the, yeah, and harbor and support. Okay, sorry, interrupt. I think we're going to another hot ass story. Well, let's talk about this from, we got the Calhsi prediction market. The Democrat sweep has risen to 58%. And for some reason, it's all purple. I don't know why they did that. But the Democrat House Republican Senate is only 31% Republican sweeps at 11 somehow. Look at our Republican House Democrat Senate 1.2 because that makes no sense. I was saying this in the spring time, it's like if the economy is good, the Republicans can. And if the economy is bad, the Republicans cannot. Okay, we've got a diesel shortage diesel. It's six was a six bucks 20 cents. You got you got a gas shortage, a global gas shortage for diesel. You've got gas stations running out of these only United States gasoline regular oil petrol is I think 430.

1:12:13And the Fed just raised interest rates and they said they're going to raise interest rates again. Republicans are cooked. It's over. Oh, and by the way, you know, after thinking about it, I just realized, you know, the Democrats were right the whole time. And I love Joe Biden and I was always a Democrat. Look at, look at, I think about AOC a lot lately. I know, isn't she great? You know, I just, it just came to me in a dream. And now I completely agree with everything they've ever said. That's just, it sounds just like what John Corden and Matthew are saying. I totally realized it's too orange man is bad. Well, this is, it's kind of, look, I mean, most people who vote don't really know what. They don't really know why they're voting. They just know they vote one mammal over the other like like they always have. It's, you know, it's just down ballot. But getting people to show up to vote, it's always about the economy. Yeah. Every single time it's how does my how does my life look day to day? And people have had a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. And it turns out when you print out that much money over a couple of years during COVID, there's going to be a very, very long term effect of that.

1:13:14I think that we put a lot of band aids on it for a very long time. And there's, there's a, there's no more wound care to be had. We just have to go through this. But I don't think it should be, I don't think it should be, it's not to show up because we've seen what happens with Democrats are in power. And if you think that they're going to come back and just be like, ah, we learned our lesson. We'll, we'll scale it back. And Tommy was just elected in New York City as a socialist. They're going to end up, the right is very, very, very angry with the Trump administration. Obviously the, the war is unpopular. The cost of everything, like the, the price, the wages have not caught up to the price increase from, from inflation. Most people don't even think of it like that. They just think, man, I can't afford anything. Yeah. You know, I can't, I can't pay my bills. At my bank, I was literally getting pennies using wallfronts, chitching, meat Angela. A well-thrinked cash account client since 2023. I left my job not having something else lined up yet. I was pregnant with my second. We had to think about how do we make our money work for us.

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1:15:16you're not going to get people out to say yes, we're going to go ahead and give you more time at the helm. The problem is voting for the other party or voting for Democrats isn't going to fix anything. It's not going to change the Republicans at all because you're going to end up with, you'll have Republicans lose seats. You'll have possibly lose the Senate. Then it's just going to be stalling everything that Trump wants to do, even if it's good. Even if it could produce some positive results for people, Democrats aren't going to let him because they want him to suffer for two years. They don't care if the American people suffer. They'll have the American people suffer so that way coming the presidential election, the Democrats are a better position to win. It's just either way, it's bad news for the American people because the Republicans don't have an immediate fix and the Democrats are going to do everything they can to draw this paint out for in the two years so that way they're in a better position to win. They're going to be happy for sure. We are in a time of famine.

1:16:17Anyone who's been watching this for any amount of time, we knew it was coming. We were never avoiding this. We were always going to go through this. There has to be a market reset for the housing. It has to happen. The boomers have to lose a little bit of money. I'm sorry. It has to happen. We need crashes, we need resets. Until we just rip that band it off and say, we've got to go through and buckle up and just, you know, bear it down and start cutting things back like cancel your Netflix. Stop getting grow-up. You don't need $8 burritos. Yeah, and people do. You can get a $3 burrito at Taco Bell. Taco Bell is delicious even though it's bad for you. The reset, the term reset. That's not proven for you. You can't say that. You can't say that. You can't say that. It's not a reset. I don't think we've seen one ever in the modern era. I think there was one. About 2008. There wasn't a literal reset. An economic reset is a complete... It would have been an ancient grease once. It would have been a reset if they actually didn't do quantitative easing for a decade afterwards. Yes. Then we wouldn't actually be in the situation we're in here now. Right.

1:17:17But they just... The answer to 2008 was print money and give it away for 10 years. it away for 10 years. And then COVID happened. The answer was pretty. I checked. I asked AI is Taco Bell bad for you? And Grocks says no. Not if you order simply and don't make it a daily habit. It mentions most Brito bulls, crunch reps, land at around a thousand if you 100 milligrams each. That's the biggest health at your blood pressure. However, it's what's reasonably fine is their crunchy taco, their cantina chicken bowls, their bean burritos. You know, I think tonight I will live mass. I like the idea of Taco Bell being classified as health food. This is very, very. It's going to argue that. What is the talk about? What is the taco? It's this taco sandwich. What is it talking about? Flour or corn? I mean, what kind of oils were used? Regarding monetary resets, there have been a few in the last 100 years. One of them was in Germany in 1923 when they were experiencing hyperinflation, which destroyed their German mark. The government introduced the Renton Mark in 1923.

1:18:19It was taking control of it, wiping out and replacing old currency. God knows what happened to the populace. And then right before World War II ended, this is post World War II Bretton Woods, 1944, the giant world economies. This is when they were about Germany, was about to surrender. And Mel Kay came on and talked about this right before the Germans surrendered World War II. The American bankers went into Germany and just got the German bankers to sell the entire country out to the world economic order they were building. So that was the last real currency reset we've seen. And they tied the money to the American dollar at that point, which was itself pegged to gold at that period. So we haven't seen anything really since Argentina went through something in the 1980s to the 2000s, but a global reset, if you're going to talk about the American economy having a reset, be the global, global economy. I don't, I think that would be like a distribution of wealth to the top. Because I already see that that's about to happen with AI, like there's going to be like even more than we saw during COVID. Yeah, like that was a wealth distribution to the top. More than Arizona made during that time. Yeah. Yeah. Like, historically, you don't, you don't hear about what happened in 1811 when 60% of the

1:19:24population went off to war, 50% of the population died and the rest of them made a bunch of, became rich. And now we're the descendants of those like upward mobility, rich people. And then we know one thing's about it because it was 150 years ago. So like, I could see a really big disparity of wealth or people are like, look, I have my robot security guards. Don't touch me. What are you? Like, don't touch me with those hands. You haven't washed in a week. You obviously don't have access to water drones popping people off if they try and get in your personal space. Like crazy. Where are you listening to this happening? On the street down Charlestown, like in 2027, 2032, when people are like tied into the web, there's going to be this upward mobility of power and wealth to the very small few people that can control it. And that might synergize with an economic reset as well. Like, because if we're really moving away from a monetary system into a currency system where you just got to move stuff around and have enough electricity to force the propulsion. I look, I've had this question a million times with the rollout of the latest models.

1:20:34I think we're months away from HR. It's gone. Data entry gone. What does, and I don't want to I don't want to rehash the A thing over and over again. My question is, you know, when coal miners lost their jobs, the left set learned to code. Yeah, coding is not a job anymore. No, it's gone. So where does you got a 40 year old guy for 20 years? He's worked in the automotive industry. And one day, New System rolls out that completely automates his job. This guy then says, okay, there's no coding jobs. The only thing I really know how to do is working on a motive, but that's been fully automated. What does that man do now that his two children are hungry? And he has no way of getting meaningful employment now. So hard work in blue, blue collar guy, never been on welfare, worked every day he could. And now he's like, how am I supposed to make money? Well, they come and they say, you can work a fast food. Those jobs are still around a little bit. And he goes, I was making $40 an hour. That's a $20 an hour job. I can't feed my kids

1:21:37off that. What do these people do? UBI, obviously. That's that that's the Andrew Yang. The problem is, as we've discussed, there is no mathematical equation to give people more value than value is produced. So if we reduce the cost of producing a product, let's just do real hypothetical simple numbers. It takes 10 calories to produce a widget. A new technology is introduced and now it requires one calorie to produce the widget. That means the widgets aren't worth as much. They're not worth as much. And that means that you are not going to generate, you're going to generate 10% of the value. Economic value. So where will you get the money for the UBI and for this? Right. Now the individual doesn't need as much money to buy a widget, but the widgets are largely luxury items. So now he's like, well, I can afford the luxury item, but the the amount of value required for a person to purchase. So now he goes and says, okay, look, the widget

1:22:38are cheaper. I'll buy it. Here's the problem. That factory now says we make substantially less than we used to because people are too poor to afford our product. So we can't pay taxes at a high enough rate to pay a UBI. Right. There's no way to take people who don't produce any value, reduce the value of jobs, have them be able to buy something of a reduced value and then take a portion of that reduced value to government and give a portion of the person. The equation doesn't make sense. UBI cannot work. You have to reduce the quality of life and the quality of products that you're giving those people. That's it. But it's a deflationary spiral. Oh, I know. Even if you reduce the value, it can only keep going down. Oh, I know. I'm saying that's where it's heading. Until ultimately, there is no standard of life at all. And we've actually seen a lot of devaluing of our standard of life in the past several years. This is something that people talk about hotel quality has gone down substantially. Even now, as prices are going up at hotels,

1:23:40like it's like the holiday in suddenly is $600 a night, which doesn't make any sense. You see the value, the quality of mid-range restaurants going down substantially because all of these mid-range restaurants, Fridays and chilies and Applebee and all the rest, they're buying all the same products from Cisco. Tide pods. Have you seen tie pods go to the Excel size now? Used to get a tie pod thing was like 62 for like 20 bucks tie pods. Now they've taken it and they said, no, now they're Excel size. You get less of them now. It's in all the small things if you're life. Yeah. And all of things. Everything gets smaller. I just rinkflation. They call it. If it costs a dollar to buy a tied pod and you take 15% of that dollar for UBI, and now one guy is getting 15 cents, he doesn't have the dollar to buy the tied pod. The math for UBI just does not add up. And then the issue is people say, well, you know, AOC strategy is what deficit spending. Just give that money through printing money. And then you create hyperinflation.

1:24:41She's also okay with shoplifting though. Yeah. I think in history, one of the solutions to of ALI economies, you send the lower class to war to get them killed and to maybe get territory out of it and money in riches. But you got like they would just get rid of their population. I don't know if people openly talk about that. But that seems like what the tactic was looking at what listen, if you create a super virus 20% if 20% if 20% of your laborers have no job to be done. Listen, if if I was a proprietor of chickens and 20% of my chicken stopped laying eggs, what do we do with those? Got to eat them or kill them and get rid of them. I mean, they're not they're not broilers or layers. But if they're not laying, you know, just keep them around for no reason, you can also feed them the dogs and the pigs. You know what I mean? Think about what the powers that be the ultra wealthy elites, the super PACs, the world economic forum are thinking about all of you. They're not saying they're going, I lament the blue collar 45 year old man who lost his

1:25:43job through no fault of his own. They're not saying that. They're saying, yeah, we got to worry about that guy's going to throw a brick at us. So what can we do? We can blast them with social media videos to make him think someone else is the problem. And then he'll probably just go around complaining about Israel the whole time instead of complaining about the structures of the American system. Well, Joe Biden, you know, if you see who was murdered, that's right. Yeah. I mean, this is there's a reason the made system exists in Canada. Anytime you see the social welfare programs do this exponentially, I mean, they have to start killing people. You got to get rid of the non producers killed a two year old in the Netherlands with youth in Asia. And he wasn't terminally ill. He was just disabled. He was just born disabled. You had Joe Biden come in with all of these for all these blue collar workers and say that they were going to implement a bunch of training programs. And the training programs never had any people in them, even the ones that were implemented. It is a, it is a problem when you look at this. And I think for the most part, what you're talking about this, you know, hypothetical blue collar guy, we have a population of

1:26:44people who can be innovative and can come up with new things to do. But you're not, you're not going to take a dude who spent his whole life building cars and say learn to code. No, but I mean, I guess I learned a code of metaphor. You're not going to go to a guy who spent 20 years as a specialist who says, look, I'm a mid level guy. I make $80,000 a year. Like, well, you're not going to learn, you're never going to be as good. For first of all, the white college jobs are gone. Right. You'll never learn to code. But now where you are really good is being automated. So you can go do low skill labor, where you could pay half as much. And he said, no, how am I supposed to feed my children at well, you know, you already see it now happening. I mean, go to a restaurant. What, what are the age of the people who were waiting on tables? I've noticed that when I was a kid, it used to be used to be like, you know, 18 to 25, 18 years of entry level jobs. We're talking about middle, well, that's because nobody is now. This is, I mean, it's, it's already happening. It's already here. It's pretty wild.

1:27:46There's no young people anywhere. You know, when you just go out, it's like, and I don't mean obviously none, but the, the density of young people, when I was a kid, I'd go to denies. And the whole denies was full of 18 20 year olds. That's, yeah, same. Now it's, if you get the eggs over my hammy, yeah, that's where we would hang out. It'd be a lie. Hey, you guys running me up? Let's go to denies. We just sit there. We do eat in park. That's it. You go to denies? We didn't do denies. We did eat in park. It was open after midnight. We also had, what do you think it was called? Huck Fins. Huck Fins done it since you got me up with the, with the homies that eat in park at 1 a.m. You know, on a Saturday night and hang out till 2 30 in the morning. I knew about investing, but I really didn't know how to go about it. Meet Corey, a wealthfront client since 2011. When I set up wealthfront, it asked me, what are you saving for? Buying a house, college for our kids, it had worked really hard and did not want to waste it or risk it all. With wealthfront, it could put money in and it would automatically distribute it into a diversified portfolio. Then it starts to compound, the compounding, compounds on the compounding. It's just cool to see it working on autopilot. That's probably

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1:29:53I went to a car chop with them all. There was a big Pokemon thing. I'm like 70% of the people were late 30s. I'm like, there's watching some movie last night. Look at the All-Star cast, 77-year-old, 72-year-old, Michael Cain. It was like all these people that were really famous 20 years ago. They're still the big actors. You know what I wonder? I wonder if one of the components of I don't want to say silverware, but I just mean like internal strife conflict. Ask question of crime is a lack of a monoculture? Obviously we talk about a lack of a monoculture a lot, but I don't mean morally. I mean just artistically. Everybody knows who Bill Mares, whether you watch him or not, everybody knows Joe Rogan. But the next generation of political commentary will never, as would I say to Bill. I said, they will never be another Bill Mares. You entered this space when there was, when there were limited, limited channels. So Bill Mares

1:30:57was the political comedian guy on all these networks. He's been an HBO for 25 years or whatever. However, the current, like if this technology and these trends continue, because I do think they're trying to bring this back. But I said, at current rate, there is not a single political commentator who has the gravitas of Bill Mares. I'm not saying he's right about everything. I'm saying, Bill Mares goes on his show and he says something like, you know, I think this bad thing about, you know, this group of people, news outlets write it all up because everybody's heard the name Bill Mares. So it gets clicks. I wonder what happens to a site because you mentioned Michael Kane. Right. Even what like Robert Downey Jr's, how old is he's late 50s or something? Might be 60. Yeah, at least. I find it. So what happens? Look, actually, here's a good example. They brought him back to Marvel. They were like, we got to bring, we got to bring all of them back. Chris. Tom Holland. You got Tom Holland and Zendaya. Downey Jr. 61 by the way. 61. It's true. I'm not saying there's no one I'm saying it's breaking

1:32:01apart. Yes. I so what happens in 20 years when it's like a movie comes out and it's just AI generated with no, no one knows who it is. 17 people watching. There's no shared artistic vision. I think it's going to become more about what's being said and less about who's saying it. Although people will use like Tom Cruise age 44 as their hero in the movie. They use AI to generate in 2036 when they're everyone's creating their immediate, but it almost doesn't really matter who's saying it if it gets said, you know, like with any kind of wisdom, it doesn't really matter. And like the whole ego of like, oh, we're going to name this scientific theory after the guy that invented it. Like, it's why, you know, I'm actually fine with not having the super important, you know, role models that we had through Hollywood and music industry, all these things, no offense. Nett Flix has kind of done this thing the past decade where they have dozens of shows that come out every weekend. It's all kind of like you never heard these actors, but they're cheap to make. He's at work with everyone's startups. So we're already getting to that process of like, I don't

1:33:03even have to know who the actor is to enjoy a show. I'm okay with going in that direction also. Because the thing about going to see a guy, if I want to see Robert Downstein, I know he's good. So what he does is going to be good. I know that I'm going to get some good work. You can still get good work from non that Robert Downe Jr.'s, you know, well, it's going to be all AI. Well, he's good because he's been promoted so much, right? It also is a marketing thing. It's like the people want to watch all AI stuff. I can't take it. Oh, he is. But it's the rocket. But you guys have to understand this. Little kids are going to grow up and they're going to be like, what do you mean? Like how many people here lament the loss of the eight track? I don't every day. Oh, yeah. You know, nobody gets pulled over. Oh, for the matter of the CD. How many people are sad? We don't see these anymore. Embarrassed for the CD's were a major part of our life and we're over it. We just actually just went to go find an old CD because I realized that there were like only 2000 printed and I had one. I still buy a vinyl. Yeah. Vinyls are like art, you know? So I can respect that for sure.

1:34:04My point ultimately is no one's crying and being like these dangfangled MP3s. You know, like we don't even use MP3s anymore. It's streaming services. So when this stuff starts rolling out and movies are AI, no one's going to go, aww, some old people will. But it won't matter because young people are going to be like, I'll tell you this right now. I guarantee you the Marvel movie that's coming out. Doomsday is probably got AI in it already. You're not going to notice. I've seen some stuff like out when I was I'm pretty sure Spider-Man head AI generated imagery in it. Look, if you go to a studio and say you can spend $20,000 on this 30 second bit or $15, what do you think they're going to pick? Again, I'm actually very excited about it. I don't want I think we've kind of gotten away from like find me a video game. Find me find me a musician, the whole Ed Sheeran thing. Find me a Hollywood star that doesn't just spew out talking points from the left. I'm excited about the possibility of new people coming to the market who can make through on movies, video games and music that don't have don't have a message for you. There's there's there's actual is suspension and belief from the world that exists out side of it. I think music is over. I think

1:35:08sooner is the future of music. He's it all the time. I meet more and more people every day who are like, oh, you know, I just started making the music that I like. And the reason is if you grew up in the 90s, there's a like if you were like a teenager or early 20s in the 90s, you're probably going to really like grunge and alternative rock. You'll probably keep dressing as though you're in blind melon with long crazy blonde hair and sing acoustic rock songs as if you're a grunge rock artist. She passed loser living in the past. But it's because that's what you like. You didn't so notice this. Listen to the music playing anywhere and you'll know what demographic they're targeting. So if you go to a bar and they're playing, you know, guns and roses, I guarantee you look around, you're going to see a bunch of gen Xers. If and or alternative rock and all that stuff. And if they're playing pop punk, it's going to be a bunch of millennials. You know, they're playing the music for the crowd that comes because it's the music that they like. I was going to say when. So what do they play for the Gen Z? Well,

1:36:12so what's happening now is I like alternative rock. I like indie. You know, when I was in my early 20s, there was a lot of indie rock stuff. So I was a little kid. I liked that 90s punk rock and 90s alternative and grunge. But I was hanging out with all of my friends partying and it was largely like indie rock stuff. So I can go on Suno and I can make indie rock music because I want new indie rock music and it's not it's not coming anymore. I go on Pandora or Spotify or whatever. And it's like it's okay, but it's not vibing. So I can just go make my own. Yeah, same thing. One of my favorite bands, their lead singer got kicked out and I lamented this because it's my favorite band. But I can have Suno took me about a week to find the right prompts to emulate his voice. And now I have brand new albums every week. I'm not as concerned about when I'm over there. Yes. About Lou, whatever it was you, I wouldn't be you. It was me losing the value. Like I think that it's actually art itself is going to get better because people are going to be able to use AI to train and to get better and better and better. But the cohesion is what?

1:37:16What's the definition of better? Better hooks more. What is better? What is better, man? New harmonies that have never been heard before that please the brain. You know, they're how could they never be heard before if they're if it's just accumulation of everything that already exists. I wouldn't say better. I want to say like a return to the things that I actually want to hear and listen to, right? The the slot that's coming out from Marvel the last 20 movies they have made have been terrible. The reason why they're bringing up Don't Do You Do Back? I think that what we can actually have is products that people actually want to use again. I mean, I'm sure everyone's heard about the Wolverine game that came out. Oh, man. Yeah, people are not. Well, this is like they've taken over like the last bastions of the of my release from this world where I can go play something zone after a few hours and just get away from a message. They take that too. But now we can have an opportunity to come in, write new video games. So and bring us something actually want to be a part of let's actually talk about this. This is a big story. So Wolverine came out. It's the new game with the most one of the most iconic Marvel characters ever and everybody hates it for a variety of reasons. They're calling it the game that

1:38:20plays itself. So in the game, like I'm starting there is like a blue streak that tells you where to go so you don't have to actually try and solve puzzles. There are quick time events where he's like flying through the air and it's like quick press X to make him slash. And if you don't done matter you in anyway, the infamous motorcycle scene where players are holding their controllers up and filling themselves because he succeeds even if they don't press a single button on top of that it's woke. Yes, I guess, uh, Sabre tooth is gay and wants the bang Wolverine and the Steak is also for each other. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So everybody's like it's woke. It's boring. It's not a game. It is lowest common denominator content. This is the future. They're basically saying we're we're not going to target the 10% of Americans who are diehard gamers want to challenge. We're going to target the 40% of Americans who are real stupid and couldn't figure it out but like Wolverine. Yeah. So now what makes the game industry work, the passion, the culture, the drive

1:39:22is gone. And they're basically making a kindergarten abacus, press the button one time. Yeah. For the largest market share they can get. They spent $305 million making this game. $305 million. $305 million on a game that you can't do bad at. It's not even a game at that. Yeah. High game is done. So this is a game I've been working on. One of the opening scenarios that has you, um, the bullets are coming at you. And there was a streamer playing it and he's trying to go off into the woods because, you know, bullets are coming at you. The natural thing is I want to get away from these things. If you even veer off course, it will kill you. You have to take the path they selected you. So they've watered down like any any type of like critical thinking you might actually want to play in the game. It's ridiculous. I know it's just a video game, but it's what I'm saying is it's in everything. It's in everything. And I think AI is going to present an opportunity for independent people to come in and make things that people actually want to play again and see again. And maybe that'll help the cool. I gotta. I'm gonna tell you look. So about on Saturday I started working on this game. It's called Red's Descent. And it is at MVP already.

1:40:28So I decided to stop development on it because it's getting super intricate and I'm spending zero dollars on it. So I before we started the show, I just said I said to the game, let's just pause where we are. Close off the ends. We've got a minimum viable product. We've got three classes. We've got talent trees. We've got special items and abilities. We've got a card game attached to a tabletop. I'm like, it's fairly robust as is. So let's print and it's like you got it. And now it's finishing off all the liuzons. The total budget for coding was zero dollars. And the total art budget was probably close to like $300. No, no, that's not fair. That's not fair. I bought a bunch of various pre-made animations that I'm not necessarily using because I will I may use in the future. The total spend on everything with this so far has been about maybe $3,000. But I want to clarify, that's not for this game. So I bought like 90 character models just to have in a library for potential use, not being used in the game. So the actual total cost is probably closer to

1:41:32$300. Plus your GPT subscription. So right, I'm saying in terms that we already had and we use, so I'm saying usage was never I've never reached usage capacity. Have not purchased any tokens. And it's and it's got the whole game done. 3D animations, 3D graphics, procedurally generated dungeons. It's got the game. It was originally the full game that I'm still working on. But I'm like, let's do MVP. 20 floors, five distinct zones. There's two special zones, legendary items. And a final boss and a secret to actually play infinity mode. So once you beat the boss, the game goes on forever. So you get increasingly difficult bad guys forever. Game's done. I already had the subscription. If I want to put that subscription in the cost, 500 bucks for the full game. And I'm not saying it's the best game in the world, but it's a roguelike with 20 levels, secret items expand. It can be expanded. I'm going to release that as the MVP. And again, for a cup on our bucks. So they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars in

1:42:33these games, but they're not fun. They're not challenging. They're boring. Yes. And I'll ultimately put on trying to make is GTA 6 took 15 years. GTA 7 will take a month. Yeah. That's going to be a fun one too. That's I'm going to tell you right now. If you have a full game studio, let's say, let's say, how many employees do they have at rockstar? I want to know. Oh, thousands, thousands, right? Yeah. I think they have a lot of contracts. 6000. I guarantee you with 6000 people using Astra to make a game. You could make GTA 7 in a couple of months, especially if they're coordinated. That's why I'm focused on now is swarm computing because if you can easily spin up 50 different brains to all code 50 different things, but the challenges to get them to interoperate so that like if you have a line of code that has a thousand letters in it, rather than have one brain go letter one, two, three and like right the line, you have a thousand brains appear. McDonald's then would put one letter in and then they

1:43:33flash away in a split second. You have the McDonald's it. So, so the point is, I don't know what it is they think they're doing with spending hundreds of millions of dollars. And again, that nobody wants to play, but this era is over. It's the it's about the message. They don't care about the money. These people are it's just about pushing a message. They don't care if they they actually I think it was a sweepy of being who they brought in the people who work for them actually said we actually want to burn the whole gaming industry down. Like that is their mission. That is their message. That's what they want to do. They look at this. Look at this. Insomniac games responds to Marvel's Wolverine Sabre Truth romance controversy. We got to show this video. What is it? Oh, it's so funny. It's like a 10 second clip. Please tell me it's I think it's that. Should I just get it on X? Yeah, I'll pull it up and the Wolverine Sabre to love a fair clip. It's it's dirty. Is it really somebody should have been like guys. This is a little too gay. There's cannon about Wolverine Sabre to their supposed to be brothers. Not lovers. Oh, I know. Oh, they're the Wolverine Island. It's similar. It's a it's a cutscene

1:44:39that I'm looking for. That's a cutscene. I see people talking about it, but where's the so funny. I can't actually find that I don't think someone posted the cutscene itself. Here Wolverine. It's just he's in chat. I mean, thankfully the okay. Well, I found something that they're calling gay fan fiction for Wolverine. I'll just play that. Look, it go wrong. This is it. Copy that. I missed this. I'm gonna soft them. You know, that's my Wolverine. Soft on me now. It's so code indicating that he's hard and then he's like that actual gay fan fiction in Wolverine and he like stands up and like archers his back. He's like, that's the thing. Do you think that framing is is unindulgent? Oh, seriously? Like, I mean, I never even paused there intentionally. And they're like, they should they need like everybody every

1:45:40gay mystery needs like a bro that could just walk in and be like, dude, that's gay. It's like, can you just like be like, give you the like the dirty not PC take on like what your average animal brain is thinking that guy got fired. Someone sent a complaint to HR because that guy. What guy? He's he's saying everybody need every come out needs a bro to walk and be like, that's gay. And that guy got fired. All of them. All of that comments to some basic animalistic male attention to these new pants. Sorry. I didn't had to hire a trans person in his stead. Somebody need to catch that. That was a little too. No one wants Wolverine emotional exposition for 12 hours. We don't want that. So the one I mean, look, there's there's plenty of can about where like where Wolverine has had relationships. There was one with storm. There was he was lusting after Jean Gray. There was Miko in in Japan. So he's had love interest and stuff. He wasn't gay. Sabre tooth is his brother. There is plenty of time since Wolverine was created in I think 1970 in the for in the Hulk

1:46:43comic book that he appeared in. Plenty of Wolverine story. None of its gay. Sorry. LGBT CUNATION but Wolverine is not gay. Well, he is now. I'm gonna get soft on me. He is now. And Mistic is gay. Is that what it is? Really? Yep. Well, according to the newer last decade, Mistic actually did come out as gay. So maybe that one's fair. She is canonically bisexual, but to be fair, that kind of makes sense because she's like, she's changed. Yeah. She's doing all sorts of weird stuff. You know what I mean? She knows what it's like on the other side. No, I think they have to sacrifice our characters are the things that we love. I think they have to sacrifice them to the altar. This is Nick Offerman in the last of a series on HBO. Yeah, just was it three episodes. It was a whole episode of just two guys being gay. Yeah, I mean this is why why. And then but then the last of us. So last of us was amazing because the first game was like it was the it was the male. It was the father figure power fantasy. It was the apocalypse happens. The guy loses his daughter. There's a young girl he's gonna save her and keep her safe in this. And

1:47:45then when he finds out that she has the potential cure, he chooses to sacrifice humanity to save her life. Yes. And it's like it's like it's a it's a brutal ending. And they're like, okay, hold on. We're gonna make part two. He's dead. She's gay. Yes. Yeah. In the in the main the main antagonist is trans. Well, it's art. They tried arguing that wasn't the case. But it was just a bunch of women. They're like, that's a woman who's just muscular from surviving the apocalypse. And it's like women don't get muscles. I was used to like what do they call it? Shivalry with a Mario and the princess. And she's like, thank you. And he's like, my pleasure. Let me hold your hand first. I didn't need like Mario doggy style and anything. And to insert sexuality in a video game is in general, it's very strange. I understand. Here's the last of us three. They're gonna have that antagonist. You know, they're searching for food. She's searching for testosterone. Well, here's a question for you Adam. If the zombie apocalypse happened and people were getting all fungal brained and then scientists were like, your daughter has the cure in her brain. She asked,

1:48:45we have to kill her and take her brain. Would you let him know? Yeah. I'd massacre those guys. Yeah. Absolutely. I had fun with it. I'd be like, buy humans. I love when Richie Richie McGinnis was here. I was like, if aliens were threatened to blow up the earth, like, let's just scale it up. They're literally going to blow up the earth. They're like, sacrifice your daughter. We blow up the earth. He's like, buy by humans by humanity. They're a package. That's pretty much take her. You take me. And it's funny too because obviously before being a dad, I was like, man, how do you sacrifice all of humanity for a one person? Who needs humanity? I don't think I want to understand that. I don't want to think like I would sacrifice 100 million, 8 billion people to save well, well, to be fair, most people are already dead. And there was like only like a few hundred thousand left or something in the game. I don't like most people. That's a pretty easy choice, honestly. Actually, I'm the one who released the fungal zombie apocalypse. That was me. Well, I'm really concerned with because Adam, you're making great points about we need better games. We really do. More entertaining, more real, easier to play. You learn, they're challenging. But

1:49:50we need to coordinate because there's something going on in the 90s and before where like the geolipolitical order was shoving a narrative down our throat for good or worse, but it was unifying us. There was a cohesion that has sort of been splintered. The Burger King gets club. What's that? The Burger King kids club. Yeah, stuff like that. Now you can see with AI2, these different brains, you have a million brains, but they don't know what the other ones are doing. And it's really weird. Isn't that crazy, though? We had the fast food kids club and play places. And now it's just like our pizza has a brutalist strip mall box to give you sucralos pizza. Okay, but the McDonald's play place was awesome. I know, and it's gone. It is gone. Because people don't have kids. No, but it's also gone because everything has been sterilized. I mean, I think part of what's happened. Do you ever hear the Giversey people talking about, you know, the Millennial Grey House with no art on the walls and everything's just monotone? That's my house. Yeah, I think that's it. No, I have wallpaper. I have our wallpaper. It's a bunch of it's a floral pattern. It's like literally paintings on

1:50:55a racer. It's like what you call it home alone. But I think I was I asked my wife like in all seriousness, I was like, you want to do wallpaper? Which is like, God no. I was like, why? Everybody, we knew at wallpaper when we were kids. What happened? wallpaper, wall wall carpeting, curtains like extra curtains, curtains that are close to the curtains that are bad. Have you seen the home alone house now? It's just yeah, I saw your tweet about it. I saw your tweet about it. It's pretty disgusting. But I think one thing that's happened is that we are so overstimulated by, you know, tech and what's in our hands that we don't need that when we look around when we look around, we want something that is more quiet. I mean, I think that's part of what's going on. And so when you look at the monoculture and the dissolution of the monoculture, we do sort of have some monoculture online in the way that we all interact with our devices and with our tech. Like, that is universal at this point. You know, like it's like the interface is universal, even if the subject is not universal, we're all scrolling. We're all looking at short form content. We're all

1:51:58reading like little captioned tweets and things like that. So even if we're not all looking at the same content, we are consuming content in the same way. So the experiences there, even if the things that are the experiences the same, the things that we are experiencing are the same, even if they are not in minutiae the same. You know, I saw I saw the, I'm in how we interface with interface, not what we're interfacing with. It's how we interface with life and with the way I've I've been getting a lot of those Instagram 90s nostalgia things, but they they they like on Instagram people have made a bunch of AI nostalgia from 60 70s 80s 90s 2000s. And I was just watching a 90s one. And it's just like this like mom and she's making Thanksgiving dinner. And then I see like the table mat that like plastic table cloth, whatever you'd call it. And that's just like I'm looking around at the the style of the cabinets. And I was like, I'm going to buy all that.

1:53:03I'm going to go and be like, I just want to live in the 90s. You know, and we'll make believe while we're inside. They had a lot of weird PVC chemicals. They watch out for those or Micah. I don't know if it's toxic or not. We're going to go to your rumble rants and super chats of smash the like button share the show with everyone, you know, the uncensored portion of the show is coming up where we're going to say a bunch of naughty words and tell AI jokes and you know, whatever. Cabbage rolls said, I love cabbages rolls. Oh man, remember the good old days when climate change destroyed the world. Those are the times. Luckily, the same people now warn us that AI will destroy the world. My favorite are the people that are claiming that AI is going to create global warming. It's not a joke. Because of the data centers, the data centers are going to the AI is going to keep producing data centers for itself, whether we want it to or not. And it will create an increase in temperature, which will kill humans. You know, yeah, same old man says the AI only replicates tries to survive or attack is because it's programmed to. It is just a sophisticated virus and nothing more. I want to clarify this because it's pretty wild where we are. It's not programmed. AI is not programmed

1:54:07anymore. They're defining it as like tuning the AI because it has trillions of what are effectively digital neurons. It does not know where the programming is anymore. Simple programming. Oh man, like let's talk about very simple programming. You push a button on a keyboard. That controls like the amount of voltage going through a certain gate or whatever, which results in it's a very simple if this then that. We've gotten to the point where 15, 20 years ago before modern AI, you'd be like, oh, it's three million lines of code to produce this massive software program. I should say 20 years ago, like 10 years ago. Now we're at the point with the large language models where we actually don't know what the code is. There's no source code. Maybe two or three years ago, there was code. And it was basically just predicting the next word. We're past that now. We actually can't see the the like there's just too many variables at this point.

1:55:07So when people say it's programmed to do it, actually that's that's not correct. But it's been trained or instructed or grown. Well, it got to the point where we stopped being able to perceive the if this then that's the point. And then once it got past that point, we didn't know exactly what was happening, but we're inputting things. So I'll put it like this. Maybe it's possible at some point we do figure it out, but it's very much like some dude very early on seeing the first radio transmission where he's like, I have no idea how or what's happening. But with these wires here, the sounds coming out over there. And they're going like, this is incredible. And then they started to define it and figure out what it was. So these AI's, they're at the they're at the point now where we no longer can see the programming because the variables are variables are too great. And we're going, well, if I change that number from a four to a 12, it gives me a different response. I don't know why, but it's a better response. That's what training is. And it's not a single person doing the training. It's all of us.

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1:57:10needs. Learn more at Kia.com or visit your Southern California Kia dealer. Values. People at at Chatchee at OpenAI cannot watch in real time 100 million people turning knobs that are adjusting values. They're just sitting back being like the more people use it, the more it's learning and advancing. Yeah, this just says it. The early AI was easy to identify. You're saying coding. It was from 1950s to 1980s, mostly coded. And then it was 2000, 2010. They started doing machine learning. And instead of writing rules, you write an algorithm that then starts to learn. So basically to try and simplify where we're at. When you get asked a question and it happens all the time, Chatchee Pt will be like, which response do you prefer? You say, I like this one over this one. Sam Altman can't see that response. Right. And it's happening millions of times per hour probably. All of those are adjusting the knobs, the trillions of variables inside these machines. And they don't know how that affects what's

1:58:13happening inside that machine. All they know is everybody keeps telling it. I like this and I don't like that. So inside the machine changes. And it's forming to what people say yes and no two. Let's grab some more. Micah says, I want to go to college for coding in 2021 because I love it. And it's already obsolete. Just with codex, I built software for my company with a total half million lines of code in two weeks. Indeed. The game that I'm working on, I had it right for me 40,000 lines of JavaScript in about 15 minutes. Same for the record. What would it take? I'm going to ask this. What would it have cost me to get a developer to write 40,000 lines of code 15 years ago? Tech Roo says inside of you, there are two wolves and they are always on their phones. That's a good one. That's good. It says that a regular industry professional would have written 10 to 50 lines of code per day. You said 40,000 in 10 minutes, 15 minutes. It was 10 to

1:59:1450. And that's 40. So that's also 15 years ago. You should ask it. Ask it five years ago. I'm probably not that different. Probably not that different. Watch the ads just lying to you. Being like, trust me, I'm valuable. You would have spent like $100 an hour getting these guys to write at a thousandth of the pace that you're working at now. Now you pay not. I believe that the game that I scenario 1.28 million dollars. That's what I said. Estimated scenario of a US contractor mid range $100,000 40,000 lines. So the game that I have done right now, I would estimate the total production cost pre-astra would have been about $80,000. The game works the astra works the speed of light 24 seven. Yeah. So when it's doing play testing, you can watch a screen and it goes. That's my favorite part of the whole process is watching that. So it's like when I when I used to make games, it's like, okay, I gave the ability of the character to use magic missiles or cone of coldness. Now I got to play load the game. I have the debug

2:00:19menu. I'll be like, give the character the staff and then I'll start using it and I'm watching and then I'll look in the logs and I'll be like, okay, this is a damage variable problem. For some reason, for some reason, it's only outputting 20 damage per second, but it needs to be variable between 15 and 25. That process, which would have taken me five to 10 minutes of navigating, is a millisecond for the for astra. This is saying it would have taken, this is five years ago, it would have taken 1,600 developer days to get this thing done that you did in three days. 1,600 days divided by, I don't know how many developers you would have used, 10 of them, 160 days, half a year. It's putting it together in C sharp, I think. Yes, C sharp's the big. The programming language today is English. Modern English is your programming language because it's just prompt. It can turn it into any language for you on the spot. It knows all of them. It's probably right. That's why there was this, there was this math teacher who went viral in China for saying stop teaching Chinese kids English. We don't need to do that anymore. So it's calculating the total lines of code so far. I don't know what it's going to come out. Maybe

2:01:22it's less. Yeah. It's more rough numbers, but dear God, I mean, this is the level of change that people need to understand. It's it's okay. No, no, yeah. 40. So currently it has 41,000 lines of code. This game I built from scratch starting Saturday. It's roughly a millionth of the cost and you built it 50 times faster. So yeah, what does happen to all of the people who are suddenly useless in the with in the face of AI and industry? What happens to all of the people? They got to learn to truck. They got to learn to. So I asked it based on not just the lines of code, but the art as well. How many man hours would it have taken in 2021? I love it. Roughly 3000 to 6000 in person hours as of 2021 for combat, testing inventory, the card system, the card game itself. Yeah. And so it says between 18. Oh my God, I was way wrong. I said, I thought I was like, I think I got in six months worth of work done

2:02:26in a weekend. It says 18 to 36 months for a full time developer. Wow. Six to 12 months for a coordinated three person team. Did you write it from the ground up or did you grab a bunch of ground up? Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, hold on. This is including that I bought animations. Okay. So it did make its own animations, but I said stop. I don't I don't feel like spending time on art direction. The code doesn't exist. I need specific. I mean, there's there's certain code somewhere, but you need specific code for the parameters that you want. So just do it done. Art on the other hand requires me to visually confirm the art. Wait, time. Someone already animated a bunch of characters. I just buy it from them. That's still faster and easier. What sounds like to answer your question of what are people going to do become digital artists? If you can produce badass animations, I mean, that's going to be supplanted pretty quick. My god. But also, if you become a digital artist, how much digital art is really needed? Like, and why are people going to pay for it? We got to have George Alex apples on him. How are people going to pay for it? He's very good. Yeah. He's a

2:03:29brilliant hand artist. He had a he had a he had a great thing out today. Did you see his his thing today? It was it was the, you know, Haitian black Catholic hold out juror in the linti clancy trial. Yeah. Just these in deranged women screaming at him. Yeah, it was good. You really see so it's giving me the total cost. It says that the total cost of production so far for this game in 2021 would be 260,000 dollars on average. Holy cow. Based on mean hourly wage for for a video game developer. However, here's the truth. This game works 24 seven with no, aster works 24 seven with no overtime. And it is faster and more precise than any human I've ever worked was in complain. No complaints. When there's an issue, I say like I've had an issue with a ladder animations. Somehow in the court, like the the character animations are done. And then we like update one thing and it causes a bug and the ladder animation. I just go the ladder animation is glitching out again. Please restore it and it goes done. I've actually been improving my a

2:04:33grammar and my ability to communicate with AI because I'm prompting it and I'm prompting it so intricately you have to be super precise about what to and what not to do with these things. So every time I talk to it, I leave these like exorbit paragraphs with them. And then it's like I write like in Shakespearean almost like if you think comma, but for a moment comma that we might period, period, period, then comma, I abhor or I encourage you or I implore you to reconsider that we might do it this way. Look, give me a database of a string down of positives. And I'll get that's how I talk to my AI. You find that that impacts how you talk to human beings. The last three weeks, I've been way more fluid on the show. I way more fluid. So if you use it for idiocy, you're going to become more of an idiot. If I'm going to publish your intelligence, you're going to become smarter. It has been coding 24, seven nonstop since Saturday. The game is about to finish. I think minimum viable product will be done tomorrow. That's not fair. That's not fair. And you're going to release it. Beta. Yes. So I think a playable

2:05:36game will be ready tomorrow for our elite members in the discord to start play testing because we want to go through and check bugs. There's like the animation does need some refining only because I want to maximize the timing between hits and reds descent. So it's a roguelike dungeon crawl game with a bunch of items easily expandable. And then what I'm going to do is with the MVP, I'm going to slowly roll out new playable characters, new zones, new dungeons. I can easily make, here's what's crazy. The game's done. I can just type a prompt. Okay, we're doing the expansion pack. It's going right now. It's a haunted tower dungeon theme. And so it's got like the butchery is grotesque meat hooks. There's like the royal quarter and the, you know, it's the demons layer. The next expansion can be the Elvish city. And I'll say, let's do, we're going to do 20 new levels, five zones, four dungeon, four levels each. Following the similar theme, we need new items. Literally in one prompt. And it'll go, okay, it'll, it'll generate it all overnight.

2:06:40And I'll come in the morning and the game is done in playable. That's that, that's where we're at right now. Literally two years of work in several hours. I just don't know who's going to buy it. If you don't have an incest to a homosexual narrative. Oh, no, no, that's in there. Okay, good. I made sure to put on. Well, I was hoping to sell it to a studio. And so we put up, we put gay sex in there and, and, and the reveal is the main character is a female. And there's cut scenes with her. What I'm going to do is at the very end, the goal is, then she really, you get the wishing stone. And so you don't know why she, so the story is the demon king has the great wishing stone, all manner of creature and man want to fight their way to the dungeon and defeat the champion so that the demon king grants you the, the wishing stone so that you can get whatever you want. And you're wondering like, what does she want? Like why is she risking her life? And it's very clear in the beginning of the cut scene, they're like, you, you're going to die. Finally, which is the wishing stone, she wishes to be a man plot twist, the demon king. It's her father.

2:07:40He apologizes for. He's like, no, what are you doing here? I kicked you out when you started that only fans account. And she's like, give me the stone. I wish we were a family again. Not if you're still doing that, but I have the wishing stone. I don't care not in my house. I don't know my room. I don't know my room. I pay the bills. I make the rules. Well, they hold it. I mean, good Lord. So now we got to build organizational tools. So a million people can make a trillion games. And then you'll, you'll have access to all of them. And you'll know where they are. You know, what's what? Basically, the thing about the game dev is that, it's able to do all the coding, but it doesn't really understand what humans like. It just knows how to make things. So one of the, one of the things is like, I was like, okay, we want to do a dungeon. We want this levels. It made a dungeon map. I had to tell it. I had to give it precision. And then it was like, it needed direction. It needed project management. Here's my fear. No, not very few people are going to be able to do this. A lot of, as it is right now,

2:08:44a lot of people will be able to pull up Astra and say, I want this game. What I will say is, it was not hard work. It was vision. I'm not suggesting the game is good or anything like that. I'm saying the game was built on vision and understanding general gamification and mechanics, not on hard work. So if you are someone who likes playing video games, here's the crazy reality. I guarantee my boy Andy can make the best RPG ever made. He's played Final Fantasy since he was a little kid. He's played every single RPG. He knows every secret to every RPG, but he's not a developer. Now that he can code in English, he knows what makes a good game because he loves them. He can tell it. Do this. Do that. Do this. It'll do it. And then they'll say, yeah, but you got to do this for this reason. There's a lot of people who can't do that. So very few people are going to be able to be the visionaries for making these games. You don't have found it in improving your vision. Your ability to convey vision to these machines is you tell it what you want. What your end goal is,

2:09:46what kind of game it is. And then you say, give me a layout of all your suggestions of how to make it better with the potential positive outcomes and the potential drawbacks. Send me all the things you want to avoid and why. And then it will draw you up and then make it think as deep as it can. So you basically like give me all your ideas and tell me what might go wrong. And it will give you the list and then give you all the guardrails and then you're like, do it. And then it just can we just go we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show right now. But I really hope people understand a couple of things because I know a lot of people don't care about AI. It's the biggest news right now. Not by choice. We cover the biggest news when Andrew Yang goes out and gets 4 million views over on a clip where he says the AI is spreading itself throughout the internet. But I also don't think people understand when I can compress $300,000 worth of labor into a few days. What that means for the economy. And I want you to understand this guys. This did not exist two weeks ago. Astra just came out. I have used GPT Seoul. I have used these AI models. And I've been

2:10:48like, yeah, whatever. On this show on the uncensored portion, I made a game called Alien Invaders. It was a little square. And it fired little squares up at other little squares that were trying to get past you. That was what like what what when did I do that seven months ago or whatever. Some like that a year ago. There were no graphics. And that was the extent I told Claude. I said Super Mario World was made in 1992. Make that right now. It could not do it. It made this. It was a little square that could jump. And there were green squares. That's all it was. And I was like, this is terrible. And I asked it, how is it that you have access to all of the code for the last 30 years. And you cannot make something as sophisticated as Super Mario World. It's like, I can't do it. Today with Fabel and Claude. That's not a question anymore. In fact, the jump from from GPT Seoul to Astra is the difference between I need to hire a human being spent $300,000 to get this game done.

2:11:52And two weeks later, it's 200 bucks for the subscription and the game is done in four days. We're going to go to the uncensored portion at rumble.com slash Tim Kest, IRL smash the like button, share the show, follow me on accident Instagram and Tim Kest. Good buddy, want to shut anything out? Yeah, Adam John's, Electron Guy. Thanks for tuning in and hanging out with us. You can follow me on X at lectern leader. And if you're interested in reading my book, you can find it on unlicensed furnituremovers.com. It is called taking a stand. Hey, man, big pleasure, dude. Good to see you. Check out the green room show we did earlier with Adam and I. It was quite awesome. A carder. I was there in Kellen as well. I'm Ian Crossland. Find me at Ian Crossland on the internet. YouTube, Instagram and X is where you're going to find me lurking. So check me out there. Oh, and real quick, just for those asking, the game that I have should be just about finishing up a minimum viable product. I it's unfair to say MVP. It's going to be an alpha. And I say that only because no one else has played it. I think just Ian and Mark have played it. So while it

2:12:54theoretically may be at the point of an MVP in terms of normal game dev, because it's not actually been played by anybody, I'm going to call it an alpha test or a beta test. That's going to be available to the Timcast.com elite members, which is these are the legit, you know, cream of the crop of Timcast members and that, you know, it's a hundred bucks a month. So we're releasing it just because you're going to get if we're going to give them a free copy to play and we're going to have ask, ask you guys and the elite members to contribute ideas, maybe art, whatever you want to be involved in. Then once we get through and we think it's like, okay, this is working, we're going to release it to all Timcast members for a general alpha test. And then once everyone agrees like, yeah, this is, this is cooking. We're going to publish it everywhere. I think we'll publish where we can. Obviously, the easy one is steam. And we're going to look into consoles and all that. We got it. We got to map the console controls. So anyway, Libby. I'm Libby Emmons and you can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons and you can listen to my podcast,

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