Ryan Burns | Encounter With Shapeshifting Creature at Spacewolf Research, Paranormal Updates

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1:02So it just makes sense for vital proteins to be involved considering how much collagen peptides support healthy skin, hair, nails, bones and joints. And that applies whether it's players facing a third set tie break in the semis or fans cheering them on. Thanks again to our sponsor, Vital Proteins. Learn more about collagen peptides by going to vitalprotines.com. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder and finally it's going to be so weird that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Ryan Burns. Check out my films, The Cult of Weezing In Is On To Be. Doors of Perception on Amazon Prime. I am booking guests for November. If you have suggestions or you'd like to be a guest, email me for Bidden Knowledge News at gmail.com. Today I want to welcome back to the show, Ryan Burns.

2:04He is a researcher that owns property overlooking skinwalker ranch. He also hosts the popular podcast, Hero Paranormal and has written about his experiences investigating shape shifters, UFOs and precognitive intelligences. Ryan, welcome back. How you doing? Great to be here. Thanks so much for having me back, Chris. It's great to have you back. It's time for another update from the high-strangeness hotspot space wolf research in the super creepy you and Tal Basin next to skinwalker ranch. I personally can attest it is super creepy even during the day, super weird vibes all the time. You've experienced some wild happening since we last spoke. I believe a relocation and on top of that encounter with a humanoid creature that went all the way up to the porch at the research center, super close encounter connected with some extremely anomalous activity and manifestations

3:06from what you were telling me before, even some events beforehand. Can't wait to hear all about this before we do. Remind the audience just a little bit about yourself and let them know how they can find more. You bet. A little bit about myself. My name is Ryan Burns. I have a little podcast on YouTube called Hero Paranormal. You can also access it at heroparanormal.com. I own a property that shares a fence line with the old Bigelow Ranch and back during the ASAP A-TIP Black budget Pentagon days, I was right there, traipsing all over the place. Now in my older, more not as brazen mindset, I just decided it's a lot safer and easier to buy property next to it than be up in the mix.

4:06That's a little bit about myself. Before we get to the crazy event that you sent me a video about, was there some kind of relocation that you had to be involved with? So not exactly. But we a little. So since we talked last, I went up there for two months straight. And my mother went with me. She has kind of gotten into this. And while we were there, that's the longest she's ever spent up there. She's 77 years old. We had. It's not as great. She's been sometimes on with her. She's great. Yeah. Well, we had two ER visits. And she was bleeding from the eyes, nose and mouth. Oh my God. First time was at midnight, just projectile, perfuse, like for movie.

5:07Yeah, just unbelievable. So we went to the ER. The second ER visit, they couldn't stop the bleeding. She actually stopped breathing, coded for two minutes, couldn't breathe, and had a near death experience. And they ended up, when she came back, they were able to cauterize. They found the source of the bleeding, which was very anomalous, about a 22 caliber sized hole in her nostril. What? Yeah, crazy. They got to, they performed a procedure, cauterized it, but she had a near death experience and it was wild. Do you have any theories or thoughts about what may have caused that? Well, we've got theories. Some of them are more conspiratorial, some are more grounded, none of them make any sense.

6:08As far as her stopping breathing and being gone for two minutes, the doctors have a diagnosis by exclusion, which means totally anomalous. And we're still following up, but they believe that so much blood coagulated in her stomach and she lost so much blood, that the vagus nerve, I guess we have this big nerve in our body called the vagus nerve, V-E-G-U-S. And it has this ability, it controls things like heart rate, breathing, and it has this ability to just kind of hit the reset button. And kind of like unplugging your laptop, right? And restarting it. Yeah. And as near as they can tell, the diagnosis by exclusion is, things were so wild that it just stopped her heart rate, stopped her breathing, stopped everything for two minutes and then reset. The more conspiratorial,

7:09and it goes along with the data, is this property has a long history of nasal implants, believe it or not. Really? It does. Baby, one of those implants got dislodged or something went wrong during the installation, something along those lines. I don't know, she woke up in the middle of the night, was just projectile, like exorcist blood spewing. And it's not normal to bleed from the eyes, nose and mouth like that. Very visceral moment, yeah. I'm glad that she made it through, she's doing better now. Yeah, she's doing better. I mean, it was my mom. It happened on a ranch that shares a fence line with, well, all sorts of stuff. And like I said, this property has, I know of three other people who attest under regression hypnosis that they've had nasal implants on the property. So very, very strange that this would have hurt.

8:09Super strange, man. Well, let's get into the big story that you sent me a video about before we came on you were telling me that there were some events beforehand that may have been connected to that, right? Yeah, so after this near death experience, I usually have, there's a big paranormal conference and I usually allow them to perform skywatches at Space Wolf. And I had to basically cancel and lock down the property, not have anybody out there. But I didn't know what had caused this. It was, there was another injury too, another caretaker had a stroke and had to go to the hospital. So things were crazy. But during this paranormal conference, I was worried we would get trespassers or look-y lose. And a team known as the ARC team asked, hey, we can come up and just kind of make sure nobody trespasses and we might set up a couple cameras and I sounded harmless enough. So these seven other guys, actually six other guys

9:14and one girl, I had them come up. So there was a total of eight of us. And they basically came up and yeah, they hung out. So they set up some cameras. I was doing some other things, checking on instruments and processing some data. And they'd put all their equipment away at the time. It was almost 1 a.m., it was like 12.52 a.m., nobody was ready for what happened. I went back and I was talking to him at the back of the property back by the cabin and we see this thing. Well, let's, let's back up. It got weirder than that. We've been seeing cars go back and forth and we see a vehicle pull up completely and utterly silent vehicle. Couldn't hear the tires, couldn't hear the motor.

10:16That seems strange and then it turned off its lights and parked in front of the black trailer. So we couldn't see it. It was obfuscated from view. We thought this was a little funny, probably some people who wanted to catch a glimpse of the high strangeness. Maybe it an electric car, that's why it would be so. Maybe, you know, what's weird is we couldn't even hear the tires. But maybe, right? You would think. And then we hear the chain on the gate moving, but there's nobody up there. So we thought this was strange. We decided to start walking up this, at least five of us, decided to start walking up this 80 yard stretch of road to the front. How far away were the vehicles from the trailer in the gate? Right on the road. And right as we started walking, another, another, we're about halfway down the road. Another silent vehicle pulls up from the opposite, the direction.

11:16And another vehicle pulls up from the opposite direction and silent as well, can't hear the tires, can't hear the engine. And it does the same thing. It pulls in front of the black trailer, where we can't see it. And we're freaking out, because this is two now that we can't hear the second one's a truck. So unlikely that it's electric. And yet we can't see them. They're hiding, but they appear to be vehicles at first. And I'll get to the first part in a minute. We get up there, one part of the team goes on one side of the trailer, or the other part of the team goes on the other side of the trailer to flank whoever's up there. And this podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. Last year, I went through many different life changes. I needed to take a pause and examine how I was feeling and the inside to better show up for the ones who need me to be my best version of myself. When you're navigating life's changes,

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13:17And I spotlight this figure with the really high powered spotlight. We all see it in about one and a half seconds. It goes under that Harley trailer that I have parked next to it. And it's underneath this Harley trailer, and you can make out two massive reflective eyes, our almond shaped eyes under the Harley trailer. So, and when we get around the front of the trailer, there's nothing there, not the entity, not the vehicles, nothing. And I pull up the spotlight and start looking around. We're all kind of freaking out, because there's absolutely nothing there. And we see something over in the field to the east. We start chasing whatever this is, and it gets behind a massive bush. Its eyes are more reddish now, but still those large almond eyes. And we're pretty sure we can flank this bush, half of us go on one side, half on the other. All the while, from the back,

14:18three are watching all of this transpire from the back, and they see this entity running across the field. So, that's where we're at. You sent me some pictures. I'm going to do a screen share and show the creature that you were able to capture here. You see this creature, it moves at a rate that is not possible for any human to maneuver. You see its eye shine. How would you describe the creature to the audience that's listening in the audio, the first time you saw it on the porch? Yeah, so, we, it just looked like kind of a gray amorphous tall about the size of a larger guy, entity on the porch. Now what's scary is this is the place I would have been sleeping by this point, if these guys weren't up there. And it appeared to be trying to get into the trailer.

15:20The only thing inside the trailer at the time was my dog in a kennel. But these, we don't know what it was trying to do, why it was trying to go in there. And the motion light went on, we all saw it, and then when I hit it with the spotlight, that's when it reacted and dove off the porch under the trailer in about a second and a half. I mean, something I tried to recreate, I'm 51 years old, I couldn't get anywhere close. Mine was like 15 seconds, you know? Now I'm looking at these pictures here, and the first one at first glance, it just looks like a dude standing on the porch. It even looks like he has some black pants on and tennis shoes. But when you zoom in, there are no features. And even the arms seem to be melting into the body, it looks like it's something that's trying to mimic what a human would look like. 100%.

16:20And I think the double lights, like the motion light catching it, and then the spotlight, it not knowing we were back there, it didn't know, I don't believe. It, I mean, it's got like that. One arm is like a super little short paw. Yeah. The other one's like long and goes below the railing. Like you said, one leg is practically gone, not even there. The other one is like, yeah, it doesn't. And when you zoom in on the face, that is where the real weirdness is. It looks like an amorphous blob or something someone tried to make with Play-Doh. Exactly, that's exactly what it looks like. It doesn't look at all human as you start to really analyze it. Now in these pictures, I don't see any eye shine, but you said there was eye shine coming from this thing? Or it was. Yeah, there was like huge eye shine coming off the spotlight. And when we saw it, this is what initially got us to go up there. It wasn't the silent cars we could care less.

17:21But when we saw that eye shine and the figure, that is when, that's when we realized this is heavy. This is why we're here. Something's going on. And that's why we five out of eight of us decided to go up the road. The other three were like, we'll stay back in case of anything because we don't know what we're up against. And I'm glad they did because they got to see it running across the field. So it was there. It was 100% there. What about this bush that you discussed in the video that the creature hid behind? But apparently there's no bush in that area. Yeah, this gets really weird. So when we finally get it up front after all this ordeal and we spotlight and realize the cars aren't there, nothing's there. And we see these eyes over in the field and we all start running towards the field. This thing gets behind this massive bush. And we're like, we got it. Half of us are going one side, half on the other.

18:23And we got this thing. But it receded very elusively. And it didn't seem scared, Chris. It seemed like it was annoyed that there were so many of us. But those eyes would just kind of scan us. It would hold its ground until we were like close. And then it would elude. And when we retraced our steps, it went to the end of the property line or a corner of the property line. And eventually kind of just took off. But not before doing that creepy scan again. And wow, when we went back and retraced our steps, we realized there's no bush that large in the field. So it was all kind of a screen memory. Could you with your own eyes see any features on this thing or was most of the visuals you got from it from the pictures you took?

19:23We all saw it on the porch. All of us, all eight of us, when the first light went off, we were all like, oh, there's somebody there. And then when I spotlighted it, it was like, not only is there somebody there, they just jumped under the trailer at superhuman speed. And they have eyes that don't look human. What ended up happening with the creature? Did it ever run away completely? Yeah, it moved like a lot of physics were optional suggestions. What I mean, when it had to cover ground, it covered it very quickly. When it wasn't covering ground, it was just looking at us like holding its ground, scanning us. And it seemed like it didn't care about the rules. All I know is eight independent researchers at the same location, same moment,

20:25saw the same impossible event, and we're all still trying to process it. Damn. So what ended up happening with what you thought were vehicles? You know, this is probably the strangest thing, looking back. Because that was the initial point of contact. And I've talked with a few people that are very familiar with these sorts of events. And they all asked me the same thing. What was the initial point of contact? And at first, you know, I was like, well, we saw that thing on the porch. And it's like, no, that was not the initial point of contact. The initial point of contact were these silent cars that arrived. And then the shaking of the gate. And even though we couldn't see anything, that was kind of like letting us know that this was coming. The silent vehicles was the arrival, as they call it. And oftentimes, this non-human intelligence

21:26arrives by means and methods that are not horrific to us. You know, they'll arrive in the shape of an animal or in the shape of something that doesn't freak us out off the get-go, slowly entering our space of observation. So this is synchronistic. Yesterday, I had Joshua Cuchin on. We're discussing his latest book, Inverted Path, Disruptions and Travel. He has some extremely interesting theories that I heavily consider about the nature of some of these events. We talked a good bit about the phenomena of lights being involved with high strangeness of all kinds from UFOs to ghosts, cryptids. So often, there'll be some kind of light involved. He speculates that this may be a sort of hypnotic trigger to affect our psychology to where either we can perceive

22:29the beings or they are directly affecting our perception in some way. But there is this trigger and the trigger may be lights. What do you think about that? I believe that 100%. And back in the day, these three people I like to call the three wise men would traipse all over the Uintah Basin. They were junior hicks, Frank Salisbury and Jack Valle. And these guys got along like peas and carrots. And it's because they all believed in essence that although all of these UAP and strange sightings people were having were different, they believed that this was a display, like you're saying, an observational display of lights and something that doesn't care about the rules, we think our universe runs on. In fact, they may be governing some of those rules

23:31and that they display themselves in a way that has an essential download for the observers. And later on that evening, this is a little bit weird. Later on that evening, cameras captured lights. And I sent them to you, I think I did. Huffing about five feet off the ground at about 4.27 a.m. outside of that white container you stayed in. Yeah. And these people that were staying in there, there was a guy named Jeff and a woman named Stacey. Stacey heard something outside like a wrestling. And she thought it was Jeff and then looked over and saw he was still there, Jeff Renel. Now what's really eerie is it was right around this after four in the morning mark. And later she says that she felt something or somebody touching rubbing her forehead and she never opened her eyes. She just kinda kept her eyes closed. So none of us are claiming to know what's going on,

24:34but lights arrived later. So that's important. I like what you said about the lights. I think there's something to that. I love, I love Kuchins work. This humanoid being that you encounter, this is not by far the first humanoid type creature that you've experienced. You said also anomalous animals will show up creatures that don't quite look like your traditional coyote or whatever the animal that is being presented. Quite often you'll also have these humanoid beings, right? Yeah, it's a pickle. We're in a pickle because this isn't, you know, we have humanoid figures with skin that look wrong under the light, they shift, they ripple, they're almost liquid, almost like them. There's been more than one of that type of anomaly, right? The rippling, shape shifting, humanoid. There have. And one of the most eerie accounts comes from same property,

25:38but a long time ago, three researchers were out there and one of them named Rich Oliver. He saw one of these amorphous beings and it picked him, this is a guy that was like six, five, weighed 250, I mean built like a brick house. Yeah. And he was lifted off the ground a few feet by this thing. And he said while he was looking at it, he said that his eyes looked like the galaxy or the universe, you know, you could see like little lights in it. And he also said that there were like, it seemed like bugs or gnats that would fly in and out of it. So it was made up of like little nanoparticles or coalesced from something else, almost as if it kind of folded it in on itself and it was made of all sorts of things. And he's one of these individuals that claims to have had a nasal implant and he actually later died of brain cancer. So these things happen. Yeah, yeah, they've been seen for decades.

26:41Have you had a multitude of injuries lately that have been occurring there? There have been. There's one guy that had some heart issues. Like I said, another one had a stroke. There was the near death experience with my mother. And you know, while she was out or not here or whatever you want to call it, what she saw was also really interesting. Oh, I love to hear it. It was cool. She said that she was like in a very opaque kind of space and she saw an opening that was about three feet wide and she went to look into this opening, almost like a large manhole. And she saw two kind of silvery reflective, shiny, opaque figures down there having a conversation. And as she kind of started going into the hole to get a closer view and listen, something pulled her back from behind

27:42and that's when she came back. So I thought this was very interesting. You said that more often than not, the area, the land will react to certain people that come around in different ways, right? Yeah, it is almost, this is gonna sound really cheesy, but it's almost like when you approach the property and I've been approaching this area since the late 90s. So I've got a little bit of experience. And what I feel like is, I feel like a Tibetan monk, you have to get like in this perfect spiritual Zen place before you go there and you have to bring nothing to the table at all except for good vibes and being a good spiritual place. And even then, you don't know exactly what cards you'll be dealt.

28:43There are a lot of people that believe it's very easy to put in a box and, oh well, you know, the only people that get hurt are the ones that have like a chip on their shoulder or their security guards or their alpha males. And unfortunately, yeah, a lot of those people do get served. Quote unquote. But that's not true. It's something that if you're, it's not a matter of if it's gonna happen, it's more a matter of when. And so you can't even, even if you are in this perfectly zen state of spiritual illumination, there's gonna come a time and a place where you're up against an entity that is pre-cognitive in nature and it has no real benevolent reason to be there. And I get it. I get it. You know, it's there. A lot of these things tend to wander this area kind of with a trickster attitude

29:43and they're the ones doing the trick. It's not us. Most people's paranormal experiences, abduction, contact experiences, takes place by themselves. It's a very personal to them experience. But in this area, this really doesn't matter. So many people can witness very similar things, although it does still play off of individual emotions or psychology, right? And it's not just psychological. There's also a physiological aspect, but that's a really good point because the anomalous health effects from this non-human intelligence, like I said, they may not even want to hurt us. They may just be trying to engage. However, what happens when the phenomena collides with real health impacts is catastrophic in some cases. And this has been documented and proven.

30:45This is why they had these black budget Pentagon projects in the area along with other reasons, some thread identification procedures. But what's happening is it's a lot like biblically when you hear about the arc of the covenant, people that hung around it too often just got burned. They just got messed up. And there are broader implications to the environmental anomalies in this particular space because whether you're a long time researcher that goes to the area all the time, or it's your first time, this conversation goes deeper. There are, there's good stuff that happens too. There's an individual who had fourth stage cancer, leukemia. And he was radiated. He's somebody that is for all intents and purposes a caretaker at the property. And when he went to his doctor, the doctor said, where are you getting treated?

31:47He said, I haven't, haven't left. I haven't been treated. He was just gonna write it till the wheels fall off. And the doctor basically said, well, you're in sample, you're blood sample, all your tissue samples came back irradiate with radiation and your cancer's gone. So there's a silver lining sometimes, but the bottom line is that there's very much anomalous health effects, both positive and negative that come from being close to this energy. So it's basically impossible to put any of the phenomena into a box based on duality because there's such a spectrum of experience that people have from positive to negative. 100%. I would say, and it's not just us. It, we are the ultimate gauge. And that's kind of what space will, space will research likes to look at as the human aspect.

32:51But even multiple devices, technological devices, react differently. We've had infrareds get fried. We've had different sensors go haywire, phones will act up. So it's not just us. Everything reacts to this energy. But the interactions when we impact the evidence and the experiences, it makes me question the mainstream science behind it all because these seem to be very powerful entities that I believe may have been here longer than us. Like I don't think these things are from some zetai reticuli star system. The way these things maneuver here, it seems like they've been here a long time. They know exactly how things work that they can manipulate space and time. And I was wearing two watches that night. I was wearing an eye watch and a mechanical watch. And at the end of the ordeal,

33:51they were 10 minutes apart. And this ordeal lasted about 32 minutes. So about a third of it, about a third of that time went somewhere. And I don't know where it went. Speaking of time slips, I'd love to get your thoughts on some of the other information and experiences that Joshua Kuchin relayed yesterday. Relating to time slips, liminal spaces, getting lost in familiar areas, have you or anyone you know experienced things like this on the property? The time thing, yeah, the reason I was wearing two watches is because things get glitchy is the way we like to, you know, not like, oh, I don't remember what happened for 10 minutes. It's not exactly like that. In this particular instance, I felt as if something was holding the pause button to time and space.

34:52And it could hit that pause button, take off, hit it again and, and, and, and, and, you know, the weird doesn't need an audience. And I feel like this pre-cognitive sentient intelligence has an ability to manipulate time. And I know that as humans with our five senses, we view time in a linear fashion. However, I have a faint, distorted understanding that whatever some of these things are, they have the ability to manipulate time as we perceive it. And they don't seem as constrained by things like time and space. And I mean, when I say space, I'm not talking about the heavens, I'm talking about like from here to the corner, they, they, they can, they, they can, or from the porch to underneath the trailer, they can, in a moment,

35:54move large gaps of space. Yeah. And it, it, to us, it appears like static or glitches. Yeah. So that's fascinating. The possibility that when we witness these movements that seem impossible for any human to make, it could be that these beings are literally stopping time the way we perceive it. I really believe that they have the ability, whatever you want to call them, and I'm becoming more and more anti extraterrestrial hypothesis. I'm not opposed to the possibility. I'm not opposed, but that's not to say that we don't have interdimensional entities that have demigod characteristics who appear to be able to manipulate things that are base reality or constructed of. And I believe they've been here longer than us. I believe that they are possibly similar to like the machine elves

36:55that people see during, you know, you, you have, these things, we live in a construct. I'm 100% sure of that. It's not just me ask the mathematicians, quantum theorists. The more evidence stacks up, the more you'll be convinced that if we can manipulate, for example, our reality with patterning, with quote unquote inspirational phrases written on our office walls, pictures of the cars we wanna drive, if we can lie to ourselves through the power of suggestion, imagine what these entities can do with extreme technology we don't understand. There's many that speculate if these beings have been around as long as they have and there are areas of our military industrial complex

37:56that have been very involved with the phenomenon for a long time. Why wouldn't they possibly have one of these intelligences in captivity, something physical that is associated with this phenomena? I know we discussed briefly the possibility that maybe there has been some kind of experiments, genetic experiments and some of these things might be escaped creatures, escaped experiments from some of these underground facilities in the area. Any thoughts on that? I have a lot of thoughts on this. I have a lot of thoughts. You just opened up Pandora's Box, get to the meat and potatoes of it. Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts. And a lot of people ask me, I buy and wear a lot of sculling bones trinkets and they ask me, what's up with the 322? And I always go back to Genesis 322. I get into the mythology of Dionysus and that as well.

38:58But I think that a lot of these secret societies ruling elite classes, et cetera, know this secret and that secret is, well, humanity is governed by different laws than some of these entities. And Genesis 322, one of the very first things in the Bible, the Bible is a codex. I like to think of it as like a cheat code for some of these people. And Genesis 322, right at the beginning of the Bible, it says, and the Lord God said, the man has now become like one of us. You know, is he talking to the Elohim? He's not alone. Okay. He's not alone. Is he talking to the Holy Trinity, the council of, anyway. The bottom line is it goes on to say, he must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, finit and live forever. Because at that point, man had taken from the tree of knowledge, right? The tree of knowledge represented by a fruit. Well, the tree of knowledge in my opinion

39:58in this modern era would be something akin to artificial intelligence, even though I don't believe any of our intelligence is artificial. It's all, it's all respective and it's real. So artificial intelligence, let's say that's the tree of knowledge, anything we want, we ask, we get it, boom, tree of knowledge. So what would be the tree of life and eat forever? That would be transhumanism. And I think that humanity, my opinion, of course, I have no basis on this, but my opinion is that humanity has reached these levels of technology before. We've gotten this intelligence, this fruit of knowledge before. And we've always gone forward and tried to eat from the tree of life and eat and live forever. And that's when things get tricky because we don't have the capacity to do what some of these entities do from an emotional and spiritual state. And they say absolute power corrupts absolutely. And so I think that when it comes to humanity,

41:00we have these wanting to be godlike. But when we get enough of that, we become much less godlike. We get lower vibrational. We get we get we get taken back and probably reverted back to the Stone Age where we have stones and sticks and do over, let's try this again. As far as the possibility of having something like you saw, one of these creatures, do you think that there's physicality to that where it would be able to be captured? This is so great. I, I, this is such a good question because when we were all back at that cabin and we saw the motion light go on and there's a figure on the porch and everybody says, oh, wow, awesome. And I spotlighted it. And they're like, you're going to first sure have footage of that right? I was like, maybe sometimes not always. And, and that's just how it is these, there were events

42:05that even when you have cam, the big trick up there is you have to have cameras pointed at cameras pointed at cameras. Because it seems as if whatever these entities are, some of them have the ability to manipulate our environment so much that you're lucky if you get a, a moment of them captured on camera, they, they can move, they can move the closest thing I like to compare it to and this is going to sound creepy. Have you ever seen the movie Venom? Yeah. The way that thing moves around. Yeah. That's kind of, that's kind of how these things can move if they need to. Because the military does have bases in that area, they have been most likely studying the phenomena for a very long time and most likely developing weapons and systems

43:06based on whatever's happening there. That would make it extremely difficult for anyone to discern from human activity and genuine anomalous phenomena. And that seems to be just a wonderful way to have plausible the liability for these military and aerospace companies. Yeah. These guys are playing a very critical role and dancing a very interesting dance between what can be disclosed and what can't be disclosed. On one hand, they're trying to weaponize what they're finding for our own protection. But on the other hand, they're being met with a very top secret scenario where the non human intelligence has the ability to do bidirectional mimicking. So, you know, with the recent Trump disclosure details and his

44:10pursue documents and the releases of all these files, it's obvious that they've got to start, you know, they got to start releasing something. There's so much going on. They have to release something. And these efforts are finding that in my opinion, whatever you bring to the table is bidirectionally mimicked. And there's currently two allegedly, hypothetically, two special access programs top secret in the area right now. DIA funded contracted through different aerospace and other contractors. And they have a publicly facing label. But what you end up with is these investigations, what they're really trying to do, I'll just say it. I feel like I'm wandering around the bush here. I've spoken with a few people from a group that used to be known as

45:14Skywatcher. And that very much is now co-opted. Let's just put it that way. Along with other contractors, they've been co-opted. In other words, once you have something to give, you are kind of assimilated into the board, this group of long-term investigators who are creating for national security important measures. And some of these interactions with others, I've been talking with some people that put some equipment out on space wolf research. And I mean, this equipment was so, this equipment was so high tech that in the middle of a new moon, zero light, if something happened on the opposite end of the property, they could tell you exactly what it was, whether it was a jackrabbit or a mouse or anything like that with data acquisition tracking and recording

46:18anomalous objects as well. But it's very much AI controlled. It was an autonomous. And what's interesting is I always come back to the fact that nothing is artificial intelligence, even it got messed with where they couldn't understand how. And when you hear Jordi Rose talk about standing in front of a D wave quantum computer, it's like being at the altar of an alien God, I think that's entirely true. I don't think we may be seated with ideas of how to implement these things to scribe the intelligence in some way or form or create patterns for it to manifest. But this, this is, this is very much real intelligence of the occult variety. Oftentimes you told us about these strange individuals are groups that will show up on the property for various different reasons.

47:20Some could even be considered men in black type characters, government vehicles. You have much of that lately. We've had a little, we have had a little there, there are much more cordial now. There are a little more, they don't just sneak on. They usually will tell me they're coming because it's not so much a question of may we, it's more of a, we're coming. We're doing this and we just need a signature. But we're going to do it regardless whether we have your signature or not. So I, I tend to just hope they share the data with me and sign versus them doing it anyway and I don't get the data. Well, other than aerospace or feds or government people, what about just strange characters that show up that display odd behavior or may act out of character of a human in some ways?

48:23I've had plenty of those. Yeah, very eccentric types. Yeah. Yes, many are government employees, directors of things that they don't act like they have the capacity to tie their shoes and yet their directors. You know, for these, for these extremely complex systems, yeah, I find it very interesting the types of people that are drawn to this. And I think it, this is a, this is all fun and games to some, but I think that there is also a very real spiritual aspect to it. And you don't just dip your toe into the pool and wander away and forget about it. It, you've been out there. It kind of, something about it kind of, you know, sticks with you a little bit. Oh, yeah. Some of the things that I witnessed out there, you were saying could possibly

49:27be an emanation of a portal on top of the mesa, these lights that would slowly appear and smaller lights would appear to come out of those. Do you still see these portals or any other variations of this on the property? All the time. It, it's so, yeah, I, I shouldn't say all the time that sounds really cocky, but quite often. Yeah. And it's not just me, but in it, it, I, I don't expect to know exactly what's transpiring when these energy releases are, are happening because it's obvious plasma like physical light manifesting in places it should not be able to. Sometimes it involves terrestrial technology as well. And very paranormal, you know, especially when you see it in person. And, you know, this is a lot, I believe, back to the themes of, of cloaking

50:31technology and possible military contractor activity. This is exactly what they're trying to weaponize. They want things that don't leave any tangible evidence, things that have the ability to cloak and you get it all, you get the orbs, the invisible entities, the harassment like phenomena would be very crucial in a wartime scenario. This is all stuff you would really like to have when you're, when you're, you know, capturing your enemy's castle. Didn't you tell me about what appeared to be cloaked being that was phasing in and out of reality that was trying to approach these crucifixes in a field and every time it would get close to them, it would start glitching out. Was that you that was telling me about this? I don't know if it was me. Okay. But when you put incentives out in the field in some of these experiments,

51:35and we do, you can put culturally significant spiritual items out there that have historic value crucifixes. What I found on similar experiments is that if you, for example, have mirrors in the field and you try not to look at whatever is coming, you see it when it's coming. But if you only look at the mirrors, you get a much more realistic depiction of what it is than the uncertainty of watching what it is displaying to you. And so I find that that's an advantage to have, to have mirrors, which is interesting because, for example, if you go to a traditional, well, a number of occult religions and mystical traditions, but also to, to very orthodox Jewish festivities and stuff like that,

52:40like funerals, they will cover, they will cover the mirrors in the home because it is treated as a reverse engineering of sorts. It is a technology. They'll cover the mirrors so you don't see the spirits. And so therefore, and analytically, we do the opposite when we're trying to see whatever the energy is. I remember you were telling us while we were there about the various occult rituals that would take place by different individuals or groups. Sometimes even high level military members would be doing rituals out there. You're still getting a lot of this. There's a broad scope of different ritualistic evidence and there is everything from deeply occult, obviously, dark at depths doing these summonings to things that I like to

53:48characterize as more new age. There's a growing movement of using technologies. You know, the CE5 thing is huge. There's all kinds of different summoning going on, whether it's with, you know, obelisk spirit boxes. You name it on Jalamp's Pandora stars, Corinne God Helmets. And at the end of the day, I believe that an organic approach of heavy meditation, breathwork and keeping your body as clear as possible still records the best frequently described, pure. It's almost like the ultimate psychedelic. If you can be 100% there focused mentally, spiritually,

54:51it, you have the ability to capture these elusive entities in my opinion on a more frequent basis. It's like going to your favorite, your favorite musical artist is performing. Do you want to be on the front row, completely sober and then go back stage with them? Or do you want to be in the nosebleeds with like laser show going on and, you know, you're totally wasted. So it's all kind of a blur. And I want to go backstage, you know, I want to be there. I want to, I want to see the sun come up with this guy. So that's kind of the way I like to see it. Right on. Anything exciting coming down the pipe in the near future that you'll be working on? Yeah, we're going to be doing a lot of frontier science stuff. We've got some discovery stuff, some deployments that we're going to be making. Interestingly, after my mother's injury, I open the gates to people doing land leases

55:52there. And the people that reached out to me, I was blown away, had, had some really interesting things proposed. So it'll be interesting. I think we'll have some, I think it's this next, this next level of engagement is going to be stuff that's going to be cool. Right on, man, I can't wait to hear all about it. Before I let you go, remind everyone how they can find out all about you and get some hero paranormal. You bet. You can go to heroparanormal.com. And or go to YouTube and listen to heroparanormal. You can also catch up with anything happening happening at Space Wolf Ranch. If you go on your social media to Space Wolf Research, it's on there. And yeah. Yeah, man. I love getting these updates. We'll be doing it again. Of course, until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. See you all then.

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