Second Drink: Company Picnic

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2:06mail for this one because we got a lot of great stuff. Yes, we really did. So I'm going to kick us off with this background catch by Sarah L. in Dallas, Texas. Sarah says, I may be thinking too deep into this and I don't know if the question or observation has already been asked, but I notice that Michael and Holly are both wearing navy jackets. And I don't know if that was intentional or not. Or if there is any symbolism in that decision, like even though they are not together right now and living separately, they are still thinking the same. Love you ladies and your podcast. Oh, Sarah, completely intentional. I know it. We would do stuff like that all the time. And I love when people notice. Yes. This was the care that our crew through props or wardrobe or hair or makeup or set dressing would take with our show. And I love when people notice and connect the dots. Sarah, such a great observation. And I love the idea that yeah, they're apart, but still so connected. Well, I love this observation by Katie W. and Albany, New York, who said,

3:12my favorite scene is actually just a couple of moments. It's when Michael is with Holly before and after their skit. And he just pauses and looks at her. Those silent moments are so moving. You can see Michael yearning to tell Holly he loves her and also his fear and trepidation to do so. It makes his statement at the end of the episode perfect. Exquisite acting by Steve and as always amazing writing and direction. PS love the podcast so much. I went back and rewatch that moment that Katie's talking about. And that look that he gives her it's so loaded. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, I want to say one of the things I love about our show are the quiet moments. Where we say so much without saying any words at all, which is true life. Yes. Yes. All right. Well, this favorite moment is also one of mine. It is from Freya J in Hibbing, Minnesota. Freya wrote in and said, my favorite episodes are the injury, safety training and stress relief part

4:18one. But my all time top number one absolute favorite scene is from the company picnic episode. It's when Dwight is attempting to delay the volleyball game as Pam goes to the hospital by kicking the ball into the woods. And then not to launtly goes, I'll get it. And he turns and casually walks towards the woods every single time I am crying laughing. And it'll take about five minutes for me to recover. Even thinking about the scene makes me as Angela says so tickled. And I've been giggling as I type this love both you ladies so much and the whole crew of office ladies your show feels like such a warm hug that I never want to end. And then Freya put little heart emojis. Freya every time Dwight kicks that ball, there's just part of it that is rain. It is when I watch it and it cracks me up. Yes. Because he can be bratty like that. You know what I mean? Totally. Yeah. Totally. Well, we also got a letter from Jennifer C. and Colorado Springs, Colorado, and several other folks who wrote into say that this episode of Company Picnic is the last episode

5:23that features Stanley's wife Terry. And they would like to know more about the actress who played her. Well, everyone, Terry was played by Joanne Carlson. And she was in five episodes of the office. Her character's full name is Terry Hudson. And she is Stanley's second wife. The first time we meet her is in the Dundees in season two. We see her again in Boose Cruise and Phyllis's wedding and company picnic. And then she is referenced in a few episodes as well. And you know, Joanne, if you hear this, we would love to chat with you about your time in the office. So feel free to slide into the office ladies Instagram DMs. Yes. That would be really fun. All right. So lastly, Cassidy C and Santa Clarita, California and Patrick N. from Melbourne, Florida wanted us to know a fun crossover. Cassidy and Patrick pointed out that in Company Picnic, Michael mentions to AJ and Holly that he is designing a chair, quote, it's part of your pants. You sit down, you're supported. And Holly

6:28says she remembers his chair pants idea. Well, in the show, jury duty by Lee Eisenberg and Jean Stubninsky, Todd wears his own version and invention of chair pants. Yes. I remember seeing it. I remember watching jury duty and being like, that's Michael's idea. Yeah. So people wanted to know if this was a nod to their days on the office and it it is 100% all right. Everyone now here is our second drink of Company Picnic. I'm Jennifer and I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on the office together and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate office rewatch podcast just for you. Each week we will break down an episode of the office and give exclusive behind the scene stories that only two people who were there can tell you. We're the office ladies. Angela Kinsey. Jennifer, sure. I think I have a met a moment because today, yeah, in the world, the 100th episode

7:29of office ladies podcast came out. Yes. And now here we are recording our podcast about the 100th episode of the office. That's very meta. And our age is almost equal 100. Oh, well, why do you have to throw that in there? I don't know. I was looking for more hundreds. All right. Well, we should get into this episode. We have so much to cover. We do. This is going to be a long one. That's what she said. It's Company Picnic season five episode 28 written by Jenselada and Paulie Burstein directed by the dearest man on the planet Ken Quapis summary. It's the Dunderclund Company Picnic. All of them are there. All the branches. Yes. In their own special t-shirts that have their branch name on them. Oh, I have it. Lady will get to it. Well, the Scranton branch is going to compete against the other branches in a company wide volleyball tournament. Meanwhile, Michael and Holly reunite to perform a comedy skit where they

8:35accidentally reveal some confidential information to the crowd. David Wallace, why would you tell Michael Scott anything of that magnitude and expect him to keep it quiet? When David introduces their skit, one of my favorite lines is when he says, I have not seen this. I have not seen this. Yeah. Finally, Dwight is going to defend Angela's honor. Tell Rolf. Yeah. Yeah. And ultimately, an ankle injury is going to send Pam to the hospital where she and Jim get some surprising news. So sweet. I love this episode. Fast fact number one. Company Picnic was the 100th episode of the office. Yes. This was a very big deal for the network because it meant our show was now eligible for syndication. Which I didn't even know what that meant. I thought maybe we should explain it. Okay. Do because I remember when we hit 100, I was like, what's all the hullabaloo? Yeah,

9:35sure. We hit 100. That's cool. I know. Maybe, you know, we'll all go out to dinner or something. No. No. For the network, super big. They all showed up to the set. They did. They brought a cake. It was as big as like a a poker table. It was humongous. It was. That's what she said. That's what she said. They brought champagne, but we couldn't drink it. No, because we had to go. We had to go. We actually only had 15 minutes with the cake all said and told it was on our lunch break. So if you wanted to eat, we had 30 minutes photo with the cake. And then we had to like run out the door. Well, I remember Greg gave a very nice speech. He did. About what the 100 episodes had meant to him. Entertainment tonight was there. All the press was there. I mean, this was a super big deal. Let's tell you why. When a show hits 100 episodes and goes into syndication, it means that the network can now start selling the show in a package to different places where they can rerun it. So it doesn't just run on NBC anymore.

10:38It gets on all the cable network like Comedy Central, how it reruns on Comedy Central. Right. And guys, remember, this predates all streaming. Yes. So this was all kind of a cable thing. But this meant big money for the network. I didn't know that, but it makes sense because these other places pay them to have it. Yes. But what I think a lot of people don't know is that the actors do not cash in on this unless they are what is called profit participants. Oh, yeah. And guess what? We weren't we were not now. Our union SAG does negotiate a small fee for syndicated reruns. So it's very fun. You get checks and they're great. They're great. But they have you guys this like cascading tier. So you get a check and you're like, whoo, then the next one's a little lower, then slow lower, then it's a little lower, then slow lower, then it's a little lower. Yes. And then it's for like two dollars. Well, you know that bar that they have called residuals. Yes. And a bank. This is a famous bar, you guys. Yeah. So there's this bar called

11:40residuals. And if you're an actor and you bring in a residual check that's under a dollar, they'll give you a free drink and then they tack your check up on the wall. Yeah. I have a friend of mine who saved a residual check for I think it was 17 cents. And I put it on his bulletin board. Lady, I got one for 21 cents. It costs more money to mail it to me, probably into print it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So yeah, they were able to make a lot of money selling the show to cable. And then eventually you guys, I mean, you know, they were able to sell it to all the streamers. Yeah. I guess we should probably say the actors don't get a big payout for that either. That money goes to the profit participants. See, the word profit participant is something I'd never heard of. And as it turns out, if you're one of those folks, that is Lusha Taki. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It sure is. Angela, you found out the inspiration for our 100th episode while listening to the DVD commentary.

12:43Will you share? I will. I'm officially part of FastFact number one, folks. Oh, yeah. Here's the thing. If you love really good DVD commentaries, this is one not to miss of the office box set, because KinCorpus and Paul Libertina Jenslata share so many great details. They are the only three people on this commentary. And I really enjoyed it. Paul shared that the idea for the company picnic, they had it at the very beginning of season five. They always knew that they would be working towards this episode. Wow. And Jen shared that they wanted to bring all of the branches together. They researched company picnics. This delighted me, because I just imagined Jen googling company picnics. She was a lady who Googled. I was going to say like that would have been us. We would have been like, wait, let's research what people do. And one of the things that came up was a volleyball tournament. So they thought that would be fun. And Paul said he thought it was a great way to bring everyone back together all the different branches, all the different characters for this big 100th

13:47episode. The only characters you don't see that were in the world of the show really were Jan, but it doesn't make sense for Jan to come back. Yes. And Karen. Yes, we got mail about that. Where was Karen? And Jenslata did an interview where she said Rashida Jones was filming Parks and Recreation, and they couldn't get her for a whole week of work to be at this picnic. And then they realized, wait, she would be on maternity leave. So they tracked her story wise as being on maternity leave, and that's why she wasn't there. Well, that worked out perfect. While the volleyball was a great idea, Ken did share that it was a logistical nightmare, because they started filming and they were trying to keep with the rules of volleyball, which means the team's trade sides depending on score or whatever, but they just had to bail. They had to bail because it just got too complicated. And Jenslata, she had this memory of looking over at Ken, and he had a clipboard, and he had a little quarter, and he was tracing this coin, you know, with a pencil, and placing it and mapping out where everyone

14:52was going to stand and who was serving and who was playing what position, because it was so complex to shoot. I thought it was interesting that they chose volleyball. Any company picnic I've ever been to, it's usually softball, but I do see how that people are really spread out in softball. So I guess that makes sense to me. Right. But I mean, I can't even imagine. Jen and Paul shared this other thing. Jen said that her and Paul, as they wrote this episode, they thought that each team had nine players. And so they wrote the whole script with each team having nine players. Oh, no. And then they got to the production meeting. And in the production meeting, someone was like, you know, on volleyball teams, you have six players on the court, not nine. And Paul and they were like, what? Oh my gosh. But yeah, so they had to change that like immediately. And I have more fun tidbits from the three of them in the commentary. I'll sprinkle through the episode. All right, Angela. What? Great job on that fast. Oh, thank you. Really enjoyed that. You told me you were like, Jenna,

15:56there's some great stuff about the inspiration behind the episode. And I said, I'm holding a spot for you up in fast facts, lady. You did. All right, fast fact number two is a location breakdown. Now, the signs hanging in this episode say that this picnic is being held at the Meadows in upstate New York. I could not find any information on this or if this is a real place. Hmm. Fakie place. Perhaps does anyone know? Please comment on Office Ladies Pod. If you've ever been to a park called the Meadows in upstate New York, I'd love to know. Fan question. Rayon from Pakistan would like to know where did we actually film this episode? Well, we filmed at Calamigos Ranch in Malibu Canyon. It is a beautiful location. It's kind of nestled into the side of this canyon in the Malibu Mountains. Did you know it has its own water source from a spring on the property? I didn't know that, but I know a lot of people get married there. I've been to a wedding

17:01there. You know what? Randy Cordray knew about this location because he had been the best man at a wedding there. And when the script came up, he remembered it and suggested it to our locations manager, Kyle Alexander. And they scouted it and they all agreed it was perfect. So now, Angela, you mentioned how Ken Quapis said like this was a logistically difficult shoot. Randy said this was a very difficult episode to pull off logistically from a production side because we had so many people, so many people, and we were in the middle of a canyon. He said we had to hire additional crew, including multiple medics. And we had hydration stations and sunscreen stations and Sergio and Alan are caterers. They had to triple their staff. They had three lines to serve lunch, like three buffet lines. And then Peter and Varton at Kraft's Service, they also had three stations instead of one. It was a lot of concern about being able to feed

18:03everybody because all the background food people were told not to eat. Yeah, it was fakey food. It was real food, but it had been at various temperatures that made it sort of unsafe to eat. So if you watch the episode, you might notice no one eats anything off of their plates of food. Check it out. Ken said there was probably like 250 people there. Guess what my fast-fact number three is, lady? All right. I'll tell you. We had 14 guest actors, our regular cast, and 185 background performers for this episode. Also, I thought this was interesting. Some of the background performers were called special business performers. Special business. You know what their special business was? Volleyball? Yeah. Playing volleyball for hours on end. Lady, were you ever a background performer? You know it. That's how I earned my sad card. Yeah. Same. Did you have any special business listed on your background performer resume? Yes, I did.

19:06What was your special business that I could speak Indonesian? Oh, my special business was water skiing, bowling, and animal handling. Oh, I also put I could play tennis and roller skate. Those are a big deal. Yeah, that's a big deal. I was on 90210. Do you have to do any of your special business? I didn't. I was one of toy-spelling sorority sisters, but I did pass the ballots of a voting, a sorority voting session, too. I handed them two Tory. Oh, you got to interact. Yes, briefly. I said nothing. I just handed some paper to her. I was an extra on the movie Pleasantville, starring Reese Witherspoon and Toby McGuire. I had to play a teenager. That was really fun because I got to dress up in old-timey clothes the whole time. But check this out. They came into the extras holding area because they needed three couples to make out in the backseat of a car. They were going to like pan across all these different couples making out until they got to the car with

20:12the lead actors. Were you part of the make-out couples? No, you would have become a featured extra if you did it and you got a bump in pay, but I felt too shy, so I didn't volunteer. But lady, we had a very special background performer on this episode of The Office. And it was Jenny Tan who runs the fan website officetellie.com. Yes. We had all become friends with her. And she was invited to spend the entire week with us, getting an exclusive look at the finale, and they asked her to be an extra. And lady, she documented all five days of shooting this episode on officetellie.com. It is still there, and she has tons of photos. Amazing. She also gave this amazing breakdown of what it was like to be a background performer on company picnic. Oh my gosh, are you going to share? Yes. You guys, Jenny was sort of someone who made a community for The Office online before anyone was

21:12doing that. Before social media. Before social media. And she was there for the show providing this community in our earliest days when we didn't even know the future of the show. And it meant a lot to all of us. And we would reach out to her and give her like exclusive tips or content or photos that she would post on the website. And it became kind of the hub. Yeah. And this was before networks. Did any kind of social media or website for any of their shows? And our show had this presence because of Jenny. And so her documenting of our show is very extensive. And it's all still there on officetellie.com. There's all these exclusive interviews. It's amazing. She said you could really tell the people who were professional background artists because they would bring tons of gear like rolling luggage filled with what she said, quote, out or where for every possible weather condition, chairs, water, snacks, something to read. It's like, you know, when you go to the beach

22:14and you see people like come with the wagon full of stuff or at the soccer game, that's a professional background performer. Oh, yeah. I remember doing background work. And there was a guy that had a backpack that was a chair. Yes. And you could open the backpack and there was stuff inside or you could unfold it and sit in it. Because background performers do not get trailers. You mostly are going to be directed to a holding area with some folding chairs in it. But my experience was there were never enough chairs for each. Never enough chairs. And they're usually outside. Yeah. So Jenny said that when she first went to the wardrobe tent, she was given an apron to wear. And she said she would be a grill cook. But then about an hour later, production pulled her aside and made her a buffalo branch employee. And then they winked and said, you're going to be part of a special branch. But she didn't know what that meant. Oh. And get this. Jenny talked to a bunch of the background folks. And she said that most of them were not office fans that they had never seen the show. And that a few of them did not know who Steve Carell was. She said they were thrilled to

23:19be working on our show because we had a reputation for treating background performers very, very well and for providing great food. She said one person told her from a work perspective to be able to be an extra on the office for an entire week. I feel like I won the lottery. So that made me really proud that our show did a good job because as a person who did a lot of background work. Yeah. Yeah. It meant a lot. Usually the background performers were like the last people who get to go through the lunch line. And it's like what's left almost nothing. And you were not allowed to go to craft services. But on our show, we had a whole buffet set aside just for the background performers and a whole craft services table that they kept full. And it was awesome. Well, you know, that's Randy Cordray. Mm-hmm. Randy took care of everyone. However you were a part of our show, he was going to make sure you were taken care of. That is absolutely true, lady. All right, lady. Those are all my fast facts. I mean, it's a lot. Well, it's a huge episode. I know. All right.

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26:26So, grab a Snapple, take a second and enjoy the moment because let's be honest, this might be the most refreshing part of your day. Snapple, make your break more interesting. Alright, now let's get back to the show. We are back and the phone is ringing at reception. The lights are out. Yeah, Aaron takes the call and she says that Michael is not in right now. But he'll call this person back when he gets back. When he wakes up, I mean gets back. Well, guess what? Michael is sleeping because he had chicken pot pie for lunch. Not just chicken pot pie. Jenna, he had the whole entire chicken pot pie. Of family size. Family size. And he's gone to sleep as one would do. Well, the whole office is going to prank Michael into thinking that it is five o'clock when he wakes up so that they can all go home early. And Dwight does not normally condone leaving early, but he does have that appointment with his horse doctor today. So he's in.

27:28Fan catch from Marcy G in Connecticut. There is a small detail that tickles me every time I see it. In the cold open when they're tricking a sleeping Michael into thinking it's five p.m., they have to change the time on his watch. Pam has her shoes off so she doesn't make noise in his office. But if you notice, Dwight also has his shoes off while he runs outside to change the time on Michael's car. I saw that Jim also has his shoes off. I don't know. Did everyone just take their shoes off? We had another fan catch from Lloyd C from Australia who said during Jim's talking head when he goes to turn the clock forward, the time starts on 1250. But when Dwight goes to Michael's car to change the time, it starts at 1210. He said, was this a continuity gap or did Dwight's Panther speed turn time backwards? Outside of the office. I think it was probably just a continuity catch.

28:29You know, maybe they had originally intended to see Dwight running outside to the car first and then have Jim explain it in his talking head. And then maybe they just swapped it in editing. I bet that's right because Veda would have been all on top of this. She had everything meticulously time coded every time we had a clock. She was very like particular. So I feel like that was a change up in editing. Jenny Tan, who was there that day watching a film, noted that John had a really hard time winding the clock backwards and delivering his monologue and timing it out perfectly. I thought so watching it. I'll tell you why. John is so effortless as Jim. But in this moment, I could see him concentrating on that clock. And just for a split second, I thought I saw John. Well, she said that the knob on the back was really, really tiny and that John kept overshooting the time. Like it kept ending on like 515 or 510 instead of right before 5.

29:31But she said they finally got it perfect on the last take and then they stopped. They were like, we got it. Yeah, done. Well, this whole elaborate ruse ends when they all collectively on the count of three just erupt into laughter. And this week's Michael up, he laughs too. Because he always wants to be in on the joke. Yes, yes, but you had to be there. Yeah, to be there. It was a geography joke. And then Michael sees the clock and does exactly what they hope for. He's like, well, let's all go home. I had a teeny tiny catch on Pam's desk at one minute, 33 seconds, when we're all laughing. I noticed and I had forgotten this that she has a prat mug on her desk that is what is holding all of her pens and pencils. And then she has her pink mug that she's drinking out of. But I spotted that prat mug. That's a great detail from our set decoration crew. Well, I love that. I was way in the corner, back by Stanley's file cabinet. And that was just trying to get me in the shot. Ken Kloppis had me come out from accounting once again.

30:31I'm standing. And that's how we could all be there. Well, now we have our super short opening credits. They are like 10 seconds. Jen Solada did an interview with Office Talley. And she said they cut the credits down to get more time for the episode. She mentioned that they had gone back and forth about maybe making this episode an hour. But she said they didn't feel like they needed it. There were other season finales like the job or good bite Toby where they had like tons of plot points to wrap up and huge moves they were going to make. But in this episode, she said they didn't have that much. They just had kind of the one big move with Jim and Pam. And a little bit of a move for Michael and Holly. And then the rest of us just little nods to our storylines. Yeah, but she said they did need to steal that little bit of time from the credits. The day has arrived. It is the Dundermifflin company picnic. Here's a breakdown of all the different branches and their t-shirts. Oh, thank you, Dundermpedia.

31:31I started making notes and then I saw you had it. So I'm going to read what you have. Corporate, black t-shirts, Akron, yellow, Albany, light blue, Buffalo, orange, Nashua, green, Rochester, dark purple, Scranton, red, and Utica, dark blue. Lady, I'm calling this episode the Plane Hats Club. No, I can't wait to hear this because I have some lingo I made up for this episode as well. Everyone in this episode is wearing a Plane hat. And that is because if you wear a logo anywhere on your shirt or your hat, the production has to get it cleared with that company first. So I have a breakdown of everyone's Plane hat. Like the Plane baseball hats? Yes! Jim is wearing a Plane Black baseball hat. Pam has a white visor. Dwight has a tan fishing hat, which I googled and I learned is called a bucket hat. Hmm. Kevin is also wearing a tan bucket hat.

32:32Angela has a floppy sun hat. Andy has a tan Panama hat. Aaron has a sort of light purple baseball hat. Creed has a light tan baseball hat. Ryan has a white visor. Stanley has a straw sun hat. Phyllis has no hat while she's playing volleyball, but she has a straw sun hat on the sidelines. Meredith has no hat. Oscar has no hat. Charles Minor has a black Nike visor. How do we get away with that? I don't know. Because it's address. And we're just like, let interest do what he wants to do. We're just glad to have you back. I don't know. Toby also has a yellow baseball hat with a logo. It has little trees, but I couldn't read what it was. Well, you know, part of the hat strategy was because it got so hot during the day. We needed it. We needed it when we were playing volleyball as well to kind of create a shade on our faces so that you could see our expressions.

33:33So we weren't completely blown out by the sun. Also for sun protection. But you might notice that Michael and Holly do not wear hats. They are mostly in their cutesy little like love nice tree area. Shady tree, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, Jenna, I also did a little bit of tracking. I want you to know that I feel like this episode really brings out some of our characters, other traits. Oh, I made a list. We have sporty Pam. Saucy Jim. Petty Charles, trash talking Andy, snarky Michael, and my most favorite vacation Stanley. I love vacation Stanley. So the picnic starts with Pam and Jim. They're walking up and they share a little bit about what last year's softball company picnic was like. Jim had that spider in his mitt, but that's not what Pam is talking about. She's talking about the guy who grabbed her boobs to keep his balance. Uh-huh. And then Pam points at her chest and says,

34:35yeah, you don't grab these for balance. And Jim goes, well, and this is Saucy Jim. Well, next up, Dwight arrives with his friend, Rolf. His best friend. Who they met at a shoe store when Dwight over her Rolf asking for a shoe that would increase his speed, but not leave any tracks? These two are made for each other. We had a fan question from David H and Pennsylvania, who played Dwight's friend? Was he somehow related to the show already? Guys, Rolf was played by the amazing James Urbaniac. And get the sange. What? He auditioned and was called back for the role of Dwight. Well, that makes perfect sense to me. Doesn't it? He and Ray knew each other from their New York theater days. And after Rayne read this script, he called James and gave him a heads up. And he told Greg, you need to bring in James Urbaniac for this. Well, they knew him because they had auditioned him.

35:36So he went in to see Alice and Jones. He read for the role and he got the part. Kim talked a little bit in the DVD commentary about just how perfectly cast James was and that for a guest start to come in on such a big episode. James just fit in so seamlessly. You would have never known he had never been on the show before. That is just how organic his performance was and that he just crushed it. Well, he's one of those guys who's been a working actor for a very, very long time. And I feel like he's one of those people where you recognize him immediately from his body of work. He's a pro. We got this interesting letter from Janna M in Westport County, Mayo, Ireland. Oh, wow. We have letters from everywhere. This is so exciting to me. You know, we added a feature on the website where you can say where you're writing from. I love that. I know me too, because it's really fun to see how international the show. I know. Well, when we get mail here to Irwolf, that I open, I can always see where people are from. But before in emails, we weren't always sure.

36:36Here is what Janna said. Fun fact, James Urbaniak, the actor who played Dwight's best friend, Rolf, whom he met in a shoe store, also played a shoe store employee with a foot fetish on Sex in the City. What is that about James Urbaniak and shoe stores? That's really funny. I think that's fun. And now Christine B from Mississippi asked this, I've heard that Rolf was introduced because Mose was busy on Parks and Rec. Is that true? Oh, savvy question. It is true. You guys originally Mose was supposed to come to the picnic with Dwight. And they called up Mike Sher. Who was now running Parks and Rec. And the week we shot Company Picnic, he was directing an episode of Parks and Rec, as well as running the show. And he was like, you guys, I can't do it. And they guessed they begged him, like Jen and Paul, they were like, please, you have to come be Mose. And he's like, you guys, I can't do it.

37:39I am running a whole other show now. Yes. And then, you know, we're going to have Mike on the show. I can't wait. And he's going to tell us a little bit about how he also truly hated playing Mose. Hated it. Hated it. So I think he was like really happy that he had a good excuse to not be out in this field in his wool clothes for four days. It also made sense to me that Dwight wouldn't have brought Mose to the Company picnic. And I love this twist that he's got this best friend. Yeah. You know, there's a deleted talking head that made me laugh, but also sad. Where Michael says he usually brings the guy from Mose condo with him. But this year, he came by himself. The guy from Mose condo. Yeah. Well, Rolf is going to appear in four episodes of the office. This was his first. We love you, James. He was really fun to work with. So fun. Now enters Holly.

38:41And Michael sees her. And Kevin's like, there's Holly. And Michael's like, oh, you know, we're just friends. There's a whole awkward greeting between Holly and her boyfriend, AJ with Michael. And Jenna, this begins snarky Michael. Steve does this thing as Michael. I love so much where he lets his hatred for someone just barely poke out. So he says, hey, I could get you guys some lemonade. Holly says lemonade sounds great. Michael goes, okay, AJ says, I'd love a nice tea actually. And Michael goes, you can go to hell. Just kidding. Just kidding. He'll get him the best iced tea in the world. Yeah. First of all, Rob Hubel is back as AJ. Uh-huh. And he's so good. He's being so nice to Michael. I know. And you're like, the whole episode. The whole episode. You're like, oh my gosh. This guy must really love Holly to be that patient with Michael. I want to point out in this scene that Kevin is having a beer. Yes. Holly asks for a lemonade.

39:42AJ wants a nice tea. According to a big banner in the background, you can really see it over Michael's shoulder in his upcoming talking head. There is a breakdown of everything the Dunder Mifflin Company picnic is serving. Oh. Food was hamburgers, turkey burgers, hot dogs, corn on the cob, salads. Listen to the beverage list. Pena Calada. Charles drinks one of those. My tie. Stanley drinks one of those. Hurricane. Oh, wow. Tequila sunrise. Dang. Beer. Wine. Soda's. Water. No iced tea. No lemonade. No lemonade. Lots of booze. Lots of booze. You know, Michael has a talking head where he says, I lied to Kevin. Holly and I could never just be friends and he wrote a whole list of bullet points why they should be together on like a receipt. On some kind of receipt. He didn't use a proper piece of paper. No. And he's trying to read it.

40:42And he can't really make out what he wrote. He said, they're soup snakes. And then he tries to justify it. By being like, I think, okay, yeah. I think it's because when we have soup. And then he's like, no, no. Soulmates. Well, we had a fan question from Tracy C. And Georgia who said this. I have been holding on to this fast fact for so long. Please include it in this episode. What is it? Mindy describes her and BJ's relationship as soup snakes. Because she loves the scene where Michael misreads his own handwriting. And instead of saying that he and Holly are soulmates, he says they are soup snakes. You guys, this is true. In Mindy's book Why Not Me. Here's what it says. Quote, we're soup snakes. BJ and I are soup snakes. And then she added, soulmates is what you aim for, but soup snakes is what you get sometimes.

41:43Is that so sweet? Yeah. They are soup snakes. They are soup snakes. Pam and Jam are going to say hi to Charles. Who right out of the gate says, nice day, huh? Jam says, yeah, Charles says, must be nice to get a rest from all your rest. And walks away. I call this petty Charles. I want you to know Charles was way more snarky in this episode, but a lot of it got deleted. Oh, no. Yeah. Well, Jenny Tan said that when she was kind of going around talking to all the actors, she said both Rob Hewold and Idris talked to her about what it was like to have fans hate on them. Oh, really? Yes, because Charles was always mean to Jim. But I have to say, lady, he is not wrong on his read of Jim. Like, Jim is very charming, but he, I mean, he slacks off. He is a slacker. He gets his work done ultimately, but he could be more ambitious with his time. Well, yeah, that comes for him later in life.

42:44He will become more ambitious in later seasons. All right, lady, it is time to play volleyball. Yeah. Dwight is assigning positions to the Scranton team. Andy is like, Romigo put Aaron next to me. All of Andy's ridiculous things. Romigo is pretty great. Well, guess what? The Scranton team is not doing well. Aaron misses the ball, Andy starts screaming at her, are you blind? And then he catches himself, and he redirects the question in earnest to the man on the other side of the net wearing sunglasses. He's like, no, I'm really are you blind? Guess what? Sunglasses man was played by our very own editor, Dave Rogers. Yeah. But the game continues. Kevin is not great. Phyllis sits down in the middle of the game. Ryan is on his cell phone. Yeah. And now it's time for Pam to serve. And Dwight is like condescending. He's like, are you left handed or are you right handed?

43:46Think about how you hold the phone. And Pam's like, you know what Dwight? Back off. Mm-hmm. I got it. This is Sporty Pam. Oh, she spikes that serve. She does. And then she's like, maybe I played a little in junior high. And in high school, maybe a little in college. And when to volleyball camp most, and you do this really cute thing, don't know where you go. Some us. Well, this created a fan mill flurry lady. It did? Oh, yes. You know, Rose G from Colorado sums up all the letters nicely by saying, in season four, Pam says that she used PMS as an excuse to get out of volleyball gym class. But here, Pam is real good at volleyball. What is up with this plot in consistency? Now, we did discuss this when we broke down job fair. You had your theory. Yes, there was a fan theory that Pam wanted out of the non-competitive gym class volleyball. This is a very kind, for theory. This is like, I mean, this is a very kind kind.

44:47Like, let's just make any excuse. Well, Jen Celotta did an interview for Office Telly, and she admitted they just forgot about that line when they wrote this. Of course they did. They didn't strategically plot out like, you know what, Pam was so competitive. She didn't want to do Pee volleyball. Right. I still like that theory. I know, I know. Pam continues to dominate. She wins the game for her team, advances them to the next round, because I am just that good. Yeah. Well, I have a kid catch. What's the kid catch? So my kids re-watched this episode with me. They could not get over at seven minutes, 43 seconds. There is a full-on face-body plant. This must have been someone with special business as volleyball. Because when Pam serves, you've got to look at the person who misses the ball. They throw themselves. They fly through the air, and they land in one club face down. I was like, is this a stunt person?

45:48I mean, Jenna, I have to show it to you. I'm going to put it in stories. This is how this person lands. Oh my gosh, the person did not even break their fall with their arms. I know. That is intense. Well, I have a tidbit to share about that. Okay. But first, let me do some fan questions. Peyton H. from Vermont said, Jenna, I know there was a stunt double for you in some of your volleyball scenes, but my question is how much was you and how much was the stunt double? And Megan B. from Jerome Idaho said, have you played much volleyball in real life? All right. I'm going to break down all the volleyball. I love all these questions, you guys. I love them because you know I know the answer to some of them and others I'm intrigued. I have played a lot of volleyball. You don't say. I have. When? In like grade school? Your youth? High school? Okay. My youth at the beach? I know how to play volleyball. And I have a really great underhand serve.

46:49So do I, very consistent? Yes. Nothing fancy, but we'll always get in. Same. They didn't want that for Pam. I offered to do it. They weren't interested. They wanted overhand serve. Because you know in varsity high school, you have to serve overhand. I did not know that. I did not play varsity. I know this because my daughter's playing volleyball. She is. And junior high. She can still do underhand, but they're wanting them already to do overhand. Well, here was the problem. I have a shoulder injury. I have tendonitis in my right shoulder. And it's really bad. And I have a sort of like lack of range of motion. And doing that overhead swoopy motion, it's even a little sore. I'm doing it now. It's even a little bit sore if I'm holding nothing in my hand or if I'm not hitting a volleyball. What? Why are you laughing? Why is so funny? I just want it. I don't know. I'm just going to say. And alias.

47:50Oh my god. You're still tracking. Why I can't be on alias? I will for the rest of my life. How can you swing on a rope and like, do a cartwheel and like throw a grenade or whatever she did? I mean, you're making a good point. Okay. Go on. I thought about that. You know, they didn't ask me in my audition. How my overhand range of motion was. Well, that might have rolled it out. They shouldn't have even auditioned me for that role. There's no way I could have swung on a rope. All right. Well, listen, they had to get me a stunt double. Her name was Nancy McCrum. And Randy was kind enough to send me her photo, which we'll post in the office lady pod stories. And he sent me her resume. On her resume, it shows her height and her weight, which I just want to say. I can't believe I used to weigh that. I was so touched. They matched her height and weight to you. Yes. When they find you a body double or a stunt double, they have to match the person's height,

48:50the weight, the general hair color, or they'll put a wig on the person or color that person's hair. But it's more than that because I was on this one movie and they had to get a body double for me. And the woman showed up and she was my height and weight. But her weight distribution was totally different from mine. So walking and she didn't look like me. She didn't look like you. This happened to me, Jenna. I did a movie called Struck by Lightning. And there was this long tracking dolly scene that started in a room and ended up on the sofa that I was sitting on. Okay. And they had a body double for me for all the lighting setup because it was going to take a really long time to get this setup. So after an hour of them setting this all up, using the body double, it's time for me to report on set. We do this long, intricate tracking shot. The camera's coming down this long track. Lands on me on the sofa and it cuts part of my head off. What they found out was she was my exact height. They immediately called for her

49:51because the director photography had set up all this time for the shot. And he said, are you five one? And she said, yes. And she came and stood next to me. We were the same height. And then he said, sit side by side. We sat side by side. I had a longer torso than she did. Yes. This is what I'm saying. So they had to like measure her. Like, did we have the same waist? The circumference of your thigh. Like all of that. And Nancy McCrum was just an exact body double for me. Well, I could never tell that there was a body double there so they did a great job. Well, here's what I did. She was also very good at volleyball. And she taught me how to do the motion, how to jump up, how to serve it, and all of that. And I did a whole whole bunch of takes. And we used a CGI ball so that you didn't have to actually make the contact. Yeah. Randy reminded me that the very first time I tried to do it by making contact with the ball. And I like Winston Payne.

50:52And he was like, no, no, no, no more ball. We're never having her do that again. Because like we said, he was so good at taking care of us. He was like, we're going to do a CGI ball. But he said while the serving and putting in a fake ball was not difficult, it was really difficult to have people dive for a fake ball. Yes. So that person that is diving in that video, you just showed me, is diving it nothing. Well, that admit meant that might make sense. A little bit. On the DVD commentary, Ken was very complimentary in saying that Jenna, you did great, fakey arm motion. Yeah. Well, I have to give credit to Nancy because she was such a good teacher. We became a little chummy on this episode. And they did shoot with her a little bit from behind with a real ball. And that was really helpful for the people on the other side. Because then they were diving for a real ball. And they used some of those shots. But I'm not sure if they ever ended up using any of her serves. I think they were mostly my fakey serves that made it in.

51:55But I do want to say one more thing, which is that over on officetelly.com, Jenny Tan took a bunch of amazing photos of me serving with no ball. Oh, really? And they're really cool. And I grabbed them so that we can put them up on office ladies pod. Your story about Nancy, Jenna, just reminded me of an amazing run in. I just had four years. Steve had a body double name Eric, Sulky, and Jenna, Josh and I were in the wine country for our anniversary. And I hear Angela and I turn around. And there is Eric and his wife. No way. He is still working with Steve. It's been like 16 years they've been working together. They're working together on a movie right now. Look at that. Oh my gosh. Yes, I remember him. I know he was so lovely. And I said, Eric, it's so crazy to see you outside of a suit. Because he just in casual clothes. Yeah. But sometimes when Steve needed out for something they had to get him to a talk show or whatever, Eric and a suit would sit in the office there in the background

52:59in Michael Scott's office. Mm-hmm. You could catch his shoulder or the side of him. And they are still working together now. 16 years. I love that. Me too. Well, listen, ladies, should we take a little break? And then when we come back we will talk about Michael and Holly and what they're up to. Yeah. I think we need to come back and talk about some chair pants. Great. I have a new website for clothing that I'm a little bit obsessed with. It's called Marises. Thank you to the folks at Marises who gave me a $150 credit with which I purchased a sweater, a shirt, and two pairs of shoes. That is a lot for $150 and I am very, very excited. I purchased a flutter sleeve blouse. It's so cute. Then I got a striped French Terry mini dress. It's red and white striped. It's so adorable. And then I got my daughter some Snoopy socks because she loves Snoopy.

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57:07It's part of your pants. You sit down. You're supported. Holly lights up. She's like, I remember your chair pants idea. And AJ's like, I like that. Put me down for a pair. I'm a size 34 waist. Here comes Snarky, Michael. You can't take it anymore. He says, all right, fatty, I will do it. You know what? We should actually rehearse. He wants to get Holly away from AJ. And AJ says, you guys are really going to do this. And Michael says, you bet your fat ass we are. Because you can't contain. Yeah. Like how much he's freaking out that this guy has just swooped in and is taking the love of his life to build a house, to build a house, to build a home, to become a family. Oh, well, we have this really sweet talking head where Michael and Holly together explain that David Wallace has authorized them to perform a presentation on the history of Dunder Mifflin. Again, David Wallace, what are you thinking? Don't know.

58:08Well, Holly and Michael are going to find a nice little quiet place to rehearse. He brought her chocolate covered strawberries. When I rewatch this with my kids, they were like, wow. Because I think they associate those with valentines. When you go to the grocery store, there's always a big chocolate covered strawberry display for valentines. It's a very romantic gift. It is. What snacks do you bring to a picnic? You bring like potato chips, some salsa, chocolate covered strawberries. By the way, I love that your picnic items are potato chips and salsa. I have never brought potato chips and salsa. You don't like chips and salsa. But don't you eat corn chips or like tortilla chips. Okay, I'm sorry. And also I've never brought salsa to like a picnic blanket. It's so messy. Like I, the chips, yeah. But like I don't bring dips to a picnic. I don't think dip when I think picnic. Lady. Lady. When my husband first came home with me to meet my family,

59:10my mom said to him, we're dippers and chippers. Okay. We always have some kind of dip and something like a chip to eat it with. Even on your picnics. Most definitely on a picnic. Okay. It just seems like a mess waiting to happen. Give me all the dips. All right. And you know, bring some paper towels. Well, I have something crazy to share about this location where they shot these Michael and Holly scenes. The tree, the little shady tree? Yes. Randy said that this shaded location was the most troublesome of the whole shoot. Why? He said, first off, they really wanted a romantic private area where these two could sneak off to, but they still needed to feel the picnic in the background. Ah. And it was really hard to find the right spot. The one that they settled on drove Randall crazy. I guess there were these overhanging trees. And then there was like a muddy creek where his lighting equipment needed to go.

1:00:11And we usually shot our show with just two cameras. But for this, they had to add a third camera. And it's because they just couldn't cover it with these over the shoulders. They looked good, but they really wanted a two shot of them from the front. Listen to this. And I barely understand how they did it. Okay. It was so tight in this area that the only way that they could do it was they had to set up a mirror. And they shot the camera into the mirror. And then in order to make it match the over the shoulder shots, they reversed them in post. Because when they shot in the mirror, they were on the wrong sides. It was this like special mirror called like an optically correct mirror. I barely understand this, but it was a huge ordeal. Well, it sounds like a huge ordeal. I'm also very curious. Could Steven Amy see their reflections as they did the scene?

1:01:12Because that would be weird. I wouldn't, I don't want to watch myself. Because then I'd be like, what are you doing with your face lady? What is that expression? I would be so distracted. Yeah. So I don't know. My question was like, did they just have this mirror on standby? Like, is that part of their kit? They have an optically correct mirror. And if you're a camera kid. If you're a camera kid. If you're a camera kid. It sounds like a special order, but it also sounds like they kind of had to figure this out on the fly. But I don't know. Maybe it was part of their planning scout. Get that mirror in case we need it and get a third camera. You would have never known it by watching that scene though. It was so beautiful and effortless. I would have never known there was a mirror or a third camera. There's this great, great moment between Holly and Michael. Is there brainstorming their ideas, right? Yeah, they're going to do this skit. But this is the first time they've met to figure out the skit. That's going to be going up soon. And Michael has no script. He just wants to wing it. So they start spitballing like movie spoofs, right?

1:02:14To get out this information about how Robert Dunder and Robert Mifflin met. Only part of it was scripted, Jenna. Stephen Amy just improvised and Ken said they love the improv. They just let the camera keep going and going. Really? Yes. Here's how the scene started as written. Holly's like, what about back to the future? Yeah. That was scripted. The rest of this part was not ready. What? Yeah. How about back to the future? Steve improvises. Could we get a DeLorean? So funny. Amy improvises. Jaws. They swim in the ocean and they terrorize the whole community. And then at the same time, like this sort of group mind, they both start going Dunder, Dunder, Dunder, Dunder. That's all improvised. And then they both start cracking up at nine minutes, 44 seconds. Go to that time code. The two of them are laughing. And I think it's because they're just cracking up. Like they're just having a good time. Wow. I think they're both genuinely tickled that they came up with the Dunder Dunder in the moment.

1:03:15It's brilliant. It's brilliant. And then they go back on script at the very end when Holly's like, we haven't found our great idea yet. And Michael says, but we're circling it. Wow. Mm-hmm. Wow. That was an improv in the middle of a scene. Yeah. Usually our improvs happened at the end. Yeah. And Ken and Polygyn said that the two of them were just magic together. You just see it. You really do. Ladies, should we go back to the volleyball game? It's getting heated. Pam scores another point. They're going to move on to the finals. Phyllis is like over it. Yeah, she twists her ankle. And then trots over to Bob Vance. Yeah, she has no problem running over. And then there's classic vacation Stanley, where he's like, you just had to be part of the group. And he's got his cocktail and his hat. I'm telling you, this is setting up Florida Stanley. Oh, you're so right about that. Well, now we need a replacement for Phyllis. And Rolf is going to call up Meredith, even though Angela volunteers.

1:04:18Rolf is so intense. Yeah, Rolf says he didn't hear Angela volunteer because he doesn't hear cheaters, tramps, or women who break my friend's heart. And then there's this look between Dwight and Angela. I have two little tidbits to share about this scene. Number one, okay, so you know the part where I bump the ball? Yeah, okay, that was not a CGI ball. That was me. That was real. And then when Phyllis is running to the sidelines, I spotted a man in a Yankees baseball hat. We took all of the trouble to put the whole cast in plain hats. And then they just let a guy sit in the front row with a Yankees hat on. What is that? Let's just say that. What is that? A lot of people, someone's going to fall through the cracks. You know what they would usually do if someone showed up with a hat or something with a logo on it, they would have tape in different colors and they would just tape over it. Oh yeah. Someone did not tape over Yankees guy.

1:05:19Or maybe they did and he ripped it off. Oh, scandalous. Oh my gosh. We just had a dunder moment. We did. We had a group mind dunder dunder on scandalous. Well, Jim is going to score a point and some trash talking starts. David Wallace says we're still going to crush you, though. Charles is like, yeah, we are. Roth comes out of nowhere. Oh my gosh, we could not get through this. Yes, we were all cracking up. He said, you suckers are going down. They're going to wipe their asses with your serves. Piss all over your faces. Every time he said, piss all over your faces, we would lose it. Yeah. And Rain is right. Had to be like, wow, wow, wow, come on, come on. But we kept laughing. Well, now we're going to go to this little tidbit, the HR folks. And I love it so much, lady. John Hartman is back as corporate HR Kendall. Toby is wearing his logo hat. And they are discussing the HR convention last year.

1:06:22I could have watched the two of them talk for 20 minutes. Ken shared that Greg had this idea that David Wallace would hate Kendall the same way Michael hates Toby. Oh my gosh, it's so funny. Well, listen, one more point and Scranton is going to move on to play corporate and Jim makes it. I mean, Dwight Huggs Jim. Yeah, so excited. I know. Oscars like settle down, guys. Relax, fellas. Jenna, Scranton was so good. Is that your memory that you guys were good at playing volleyball? I guess that's my memory. That Scranton, Dundermiflin was good. That we were good. That's your memory. Yeah, like, are you saying in real life? Yeah, like, I fictionally. And in real life, yeah. Why? Because why are you smiling? Because I feel like this is a trap. Because that is not how Ken,

1:07:23Jen or Paul remembered it. And Ken talked about a lot of the ways the volleyball scenes were logistically difficult. And one of them was because you guys were all terrible. And they all three talk about it on the DVD commentary. Can we hear that? Volleyball is hard to direct, especially with people who don't have a clue. Oh my God, I can't believe it. They were terrible. I will say. Corporate every other team that was playing against them so much better. I don't know why our people were not good volleyball players. I was in editing. Paul and I were alternating days on the set. It's going really well, but our team is terrible. I don't know what to do. And I was like, well, maybe the other teams could be made to be worse. I know there was one point where I said, let's just, I think Scranton was playing Nashwa. Maybe Utica and I just said, let's just play for a while. Let's just play some volleyball so we get warmed up. And Utica killed us. And I can tell looking at our cast, they all look so sick. Yeah, this is a terrible idea.

1:08:24Let's just go back to the scene. Oh my God. You guys were the worst. The worst group there. Hey, to be fair, the other teams were filled with special business actors. Okay. So after I listened to the DVD commentary, I thought, oh, I've got to watch Scranton and Utica play. Ken said that Utica crushed you guys. So I went back and watched the episode and I never saw you guys play Utica. It's in the deleted scenes. Oh, wow. Yeah. And it features some major trash talking Andy. Send it back. Yeah. Send that ball back. I did it. Don't mess with Scranton. No. Uh-oh. Utica more like you sucks to cut. Who sucks to cut? You sucks to cut. Who sucks to cut? You sucks to cut. Who sucks to cut? You sucks to cut. Ow. Ow. Ow. Sorry. Jim comes up to Andy and Dwight and he's like pinching their arms so they stop. But yeah, Andy starts this whole chant about you sucks to cut.

1:09:25Oh my gosh. But in reality, they were crushing us. Yeah. Oh, I love that. Redid-dod-dod-don't mess with Scranton. Come to me, laughs so hard. It's time for Michael and Hollies. Presentation. Oh gosh. This is what David says. I have not seen this. Oh. He announces that they're going to sing a song and they're like, no, no, it's a sketch. No, it's a sketch. It's a really like David. You should already be worried. Yeah. And then they say, introducing SlumDunder Mifflinair. So SlumDog Millionaire was a hit movie that came out in 2008. According to IMDB and this is a very brief synopsis, this is what it says. A Mumbai teenager reflects on his life after being accused of cheating on the Indian version of who wants to be a millionaire. Why is all this movie? It was fantastic. Oh, it's so good. It's so good. Everyone was talking about it. Yes. It was huge. It just a great film.

1:10:25It won a gazillion of awards, including the Academy Award for Best Picture in 2009. But of all the movies to parody, to tell the story of Robert Dunder and Robert Mifflin coming together, no one knows what they're doing. Well, they're also going to get some facts wrong. VanCatch from KCK in Orlando, Florida. In Michael and Holly's sketch, they say that Dunder and Mifflin met in college. At Dartmouth, which incidentally is where Mindy went. But in Dunder Mifflin Infinity, Robert Mifflin said he knew Dunder through the Rotary Club. Mm-hmm. So I caught it too. Yeah. Kin shared that they really just drove home with the crowd watching to please not react in any way. Even the children don't crack a smile, nothing. And Kin was so happy with how the scene turned out. Because everyone really just looks at them so deadpan.

1:11:26And Kin said that Steven Amy pulled him aside after the first take and they're like, this feels really uncomfortable. So it's like so awkward. Amy was like, I'm rattled by it. Because it truly felt like they were bombing on stage in front of everyone. Well, I guess this sketch took like hours to shoot. And in addition to being told not to laugh, the extras were not allowed to move from their spots for continuity reasons. So we would bring waters around and things like that. But they had to stay right there. And Jenny Tann had this tidbit in her breakdown from her visit. Andy Buckley, who plays David Wallace, would get on the little stage during the breaks. And he would entertain the crowd with stories and jokes. She said he even sang a song. Oh my gosh. But he was like the entertainment. And she said it was just like the sweetest, most thoughtful thing. And you know what? That is Andy Buckley right there. Yeah.

1:12:26I was like, of course, he did that. Of course. That is so sweet. Yeah. Well, the only person that's enjoying this is Stanley. We have some classic vacation Stanley when he has his cocktail. And he says, I usually don't enjoy the theater, but this is delightful. I think he's had a few cocktails by this point. I guess he has. There's a lot of booze being offered at this event. Now Michael and Holly are going to do something. They're going to announce that the Buffalo branch is closing. And then they take a bow. This is news to the Buffalo branch. They are ticked off. Well, there are two especially very angry Buffalo branch employees. They were played by Brian Stack and Marla Garland. Brian Stack was a writer on Conan. And I've known Marla for years. She is just delightful. We'll also see it in the front row, who's very upset about this branch closing is Jenny Tane. Yes. And she revealed that she was in the front row with a real life husband and wife couple,

1:13:29Dan and Aaron, who were booked together to play extras on this episode. They gave them two fake babies. And it's really great. You can see Dan sitting next to Jenny and when Brian Stack as the angry Buffalo man is yelling, he's shushing his baby. He's like, shh. Shhh. Oh, don't let the angry man upset you baby. Yes, exactly, exactly. David Wallace is furious. This is not how he wanted the Buffalo branch to find out. No, he says one little boy just asked him if daddy will have his job at Christmas. And Michael's like, well, he's just thinking about his own gifts. Not helping, Michael. The Scranton group huddles up. They're over by the picnic tables. And Meredith is like, I think we should forfeit the game out of respect. And Dwight says, people need volleyball now more than ever. Oscar agrees with Dwight. Now they have this rallying call. They want to kick corporate's ass. Yeah. And they're doing great, especially Jim, which we get a little bit of

1:14:31petty Charles. Yes, petty Charles. Petty Charles says, look who just woke up. And then scores a point and says, I've been up for a while. Okay, so now Dwight is going to stand up to Ralph. He is in Jenna. He had one of those moments where I think I thought I heard something that's not in the script. It's not in the subtitles. And I need you to tell me what I heard. What? Yeah, exactly. Kevin says it's six to six. It's a nail-biter. Angela says Kevin, no, it's seven six. Or is that too much accounting for you? Ralph says here's an accounting question for you. What does one fiance plus one lover equal? Answer one whore. Dwight says, okay, knock it off, Ralph. Ralph says what? She's sitting here casting aspirations. And Dwight goes, Ralford, please. Jenna, I swear I hear Dwight say Ralford, please. Meaning like, Ralford is Ralph's full name? Yes! It's not documented anywhere.

1:15:31I'm probably just losing it. I need you to hear it. I'm going to play it. Ready? Okay. Okay, knock it off, Ralph. She's sitting there casting Ralford, please. I'm asking you. Oh, okay. Ralford, please. I'm telling you. Okay, here's the first thing I need to know is this. Is Ralph a name? That I don't know. Did we make that up or is it a name? Is Ralph short for Ralford? Well, there's a restaurant in Manhattan called Ralph's. It's in Grammar C Park. Oh, here we go. Wikipedia. Ralph. It is a male-given name and surname. It originates in the Germanic name, Ralph. Interesting. But now, Ralford. Ralford. We need background music for ladies who Google like Jeopardy. Like Jeopardy. We really do. B-D-B-D. Okay, I will tell you there is the Ralford leather company in the UK. There are supplier of fine quality leathers. Also, just from ancestry.com,

1:16:33Michigan had the highest population of Ralford families in 1880. So I think you might be right. Both names seem to be names. I mean, just come on. Okay, knock it off, Ralph. She's sitting there, cast Ralford. Please. I think you're right. I think we have broken a big case here. Mom detectives. We declare Ralford. Put it on your calendar. That this is the first time Ralford is being documented? Yes. In the office. Canon. Angela, I'm clapping for myself. Uplaws for you. Thank you. Good work. Thank you. And now, whoever does subtitles change it to Ralford. Thank you very much. I'd like to say that that was a combo mom detective to ladies who Google move. Do you see how both of those Yes, came together? It's beautiful, really. In that moment. I do. I'm proud of us. Ken shared that he really liked seeing Dwight softening to Angela. Angela is clearly moved by this. And then, right after the scene, there would have been an Angela talking head.

1:17:34It got deleted, but I wanted you to hear it. Today for the first time in months, Dwight nodded at me. And I have to admit, it made my heart set up just a little straighter in its chair. I know I seem hard and cold on the outside, but on the inside, I'm this warmest porcelain. I'm sorry for guessing on like this. Just must be the apple juice talking. Or I told you. It's very sweet. She is as soft as porcelain on the inside. Apple juice is not on the drink menu. I knew you were going to say that. I also now like this expression of saying, it just made my heart set up a little straighter in its chair. I loved that too. I thought it was cute. The game is going and Pam is going to fall. Lady, I did my own falling stunt. That's all me. I believed it. I'm very proud of it. It's not the first time you fall in this episode. You fall twice. I do.

1:18:34Yeah. You had a spontaneous fall while you were playing fake volleyball earlier in the episode. Oh. I clocked it. You went down to your knees to get a ball. I'm a pro. You are sporty, Pam. Well, there had been a lot of discussion about using my double and shooting the fall from behind. But Ken said to sell it, they really needed to see my face on camera. And it wasn't the shoulder rotation. Yes, there was no reason why they couldn't just have me fall. It was not going to affect my shoulder. Randy told me that sometimes in movies, they will use a stunt double from the front. And then they do CGI face replacement. What? Yeah. This is face off. Kind of like the movie magic version of face off. He said we could not afford that. So there was no putting my face on her face. Okay. So you know at the end of this, when Pam is going to leave to get her ankle checked, Dwight has to start stalling for time.

1:19:36And the first thing he does is he like kicks the volleyball really far away. This reminded me of like the butthole kid growing up. Like when you played kickball, who would have a tantrum and kicked the ball real far. Totally. Someone had to go get it. Well, we had a fan catch from Emily H and Ohio who said, I have a background catch at 16 minutes, 55 seconds. When Dwight kicks the volleyball away to stall the game, there are some weird face cut out board picture things in the background. And I think there is a person sticking their head through one of them. Really? I saw those things. They look like something from a carnival. All right. I don't know if this is related. But Jenny Tann wrote this in her diary for the day. She said, During the first few takes of Dwight kicking the ball, there was a background performer hiding in the shack. And whenever the volleyball was kicked near it, this person would wave his arm outside the shack and ruin the take.

1:20:37She said needless to say, this person was asked to leave the set and was told not to return for the rest of the week. I don't know. What's happening? I don't know. I was like, could that be the person whose face was in the little like picture thing? Well, you know, I'm going to go back and look. I know. Well, not in the shack waving their arms or Michael and Holly. How's that for a drink? That was a whole transition. I like that. We should share with you guys. We often wonder how to transition. We are trying so hard not to have every transition be lady. Lady are well. Yes. Oh, the well. The wells. We do a lot of well. Dr. Peter Tibido, please don't count the wells. Oh, don't. I have Dr. Tibido a few times and it was staggering. Anyways, Michael and Holly are going to reflect on their skit and on their mistake of mentioning the buffalo thing. And they have this very sweet couplet of dialogue. Holly says, well, I'm glad we did it. Michael says me too.

1:21:39And there's a long pause and he says, we have a lot of good material for next year's sketch. And she lights up and says, I can't wait. Well, this was a really beautiful performance by Steven Amy. They shared in the DVD that everyone at video village where they were watching the playback was crying. They said, Ginny was there. Ginny Tan, she was crying. And then Kin said something. I just loved about this scene between Steven Amy. I wrote it down verbatim and I want to read it to you. Kin said, it's the toughest kind of scene because in a way, everything is happening and nothing is happening all at once. There's a gigantic shift that takes place but it's all under the surface. And the challenge is to find it over and over again, take after take as if they've never been there. Yeah, I just thought that was really well said. Because every time they did it, they had to have that discovery of knowing that something just changed for both of them.

1:22:42It's a beautiful scene. And then they say goodbye. And then Michael has this fantastic talking head where he says he didn't find the perfect moment that day to share those things with her. But it's okay because they're going to be one of those couples who have a long story. And he's just going to be patient. Yeah, Gin said in an interview that they loved setting up this idea that Michael was going to find a way at this picnic to try to make his move with Holly. But then, over the course of the day, as he spent time with her, he was reminded that they have something really special. And he gains this more mature way of looking at the relationship. And it's very different than how he would behave if this were Jan or any other woman from his past. And that she said, quote, he was calm and confident and quieted by this thought. And I loved that. And this talking head right here is why you know this is his soup snake.

1:23:43Yeah, his soul mate. 100% right? Yeah. Well, Jim is going to take Pam to a local hospital. And for whatever reason, they have this belief that Dwight can stall this volleyball game. I mean, for how long? I mean, have you ever gone to get an ankle checked or any checked? It is. Even just the commute and finding parking and getting inside and signing up and getting your insurance information. And I don't know. Jim is feverishly filling out some hospital form while a sassy nurse is wheeling Pam away. The sassy nurse was played by Alison Martin. She's done a ton of television comedy, most recently Grayson Frankie. And she did an episode of Law and Order. Oh, we had a fan question from Christy H. and Maryland who said, my 13 year old son thinks the hospital that Jim and Pam go to is the scrub's hospital. Is he right? He's a huge office fan. And Sam O from Milwaukee, Wisconsin said,

1:24:44at the end of this episode, you guys are clearly in the hospital from scrubs. Do you remember anything about working there? Was the cast of the other show around at all? Well, I tell you what, Christy, your son is right. Sam, you are right. This was the hospital that they used on scrubs. It is a former hospital. It's not even around anymore. They've torn it down. But at the time, it wasn't a band in hospital. It was the Riverside Community Hospital in Sherman Oaks. The scrubs cast were not there that day. But Randy told us that their production graciously allowed us to use some of their pre-dressed corridors and examination rooms. And something I'll tell you is that we shot all of this hospital stuff on Monday. It was our very first day of shooting. It was before we ever went out to the company picnic. So all of that emotion was just day one. Day one. Wow. We started with the cold open and then we relocated to the hospital.

1:25:44And Jenny recalled that she was not allowed to observe the hospital. She knew that we were going to a hospital, but she didn't know why. And we'll tell you more about that in just a little bit. I don't know how much longer Dwight can stall. The corporate team is insisting that Scranton put in their subs. And Dwight is doing this really long round about thing of like, well, how many people must get hurt before a lesson is learned? One, two, three, four. He's doing a horrible job of stalling. But Jim is like, Dwight, keep stalling. And then he gets called into the room where Pam is. And they get some pretty big news. But we can't hear it. Nope. But I think we know what it is. Yes. We got some mail. A lot of people wanted to know why was this scene silent? Obviously, they're being told that they're going to have a baby. Why couldn't we hear it? Well, this was partially inspired by the British show.

1:26:44There is a scene in that series where Tim is going to tell Don how he feels about her. But first, he takes off his microphone. And Jen and Paul thought that this made that moment even more intimate. It's one of those things kind of like the teapot note. There's nothing that you could write that could ever meet people's expectations of what it needed to be. So if you leave it for people to fill in themselves, it'll always be the perfect note. I agree. And I feel like Randall Einhorn shared with us that the further you were away from a moment, the more intimate it feels to watch. Yeah. And so removing the sound makes you pretty far away. Yeah. Well, this idea was something we had been toying with for a long time. On Casino Night, there was a whole conversation about whether or not we should hear Jim tell Pam that he has feelings for her out in the parking lot. We ultimately decided to keep the audio for that. But we're going to do this again when Pam says goodbye to Michael.

1:27:47Every once in a while, it was a trick we could use because we were a documentary. We could pull the sound and make a really impactful moment. So Jim is going to run into the hallway now. He's going to call Dwight and he's going to say, send in the subs. We got mail. And that E from Minnesota said, Jim's face, when he finds out he's going to be a father, gives me goosebumps every time. He is acting goals in this scene. And Abby M. from Utah said, what were the directions given to John for when he finds out about the baby? So yeah, John Krasinski, man. Why he didn't want an Emmy? Why you didn't? Why the whole freaking cast didn't win more awards? Because the show is delivering right here. Ken shared on the DVD commentary a note that he gave John for this scene. And I thought it was great. And I want you guys to hear it. The one thing I told John to remember is that over the course of this series,

1:28:47he's developed a relationship with the documentary camera operator. And so when John emerges from the room to make the call to Dwight, something about seeing his pal, the cameraman, kind of suddenly got him very choked up. Wow, what a great note. It's like, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Just look. Because we debated whether or not he should be so wrapped up in the moment that he should ignore the camera, but in fact, it was the answer. Just look right there. That's what it was. It was almost like, the cameraman has been sharing so much of what's going on with Jim. That became very important to acknowledge him here. Ah, so the look he is talking about happens at 20 minutes, 50 seconds. And you guys know these moments in your life where you're feeling all of this emotion and then you see a good friend. And it just comes pouring out of you. It's that person that says, are you okay when you're not okay? And I loved that. And I'm so glad that they had.

1:29:48John is Jim, look to camera and look to his friend. Mm-hmm. It's a brilliant note. It's great directing by Ken Quapis and a great performance by John. And you too. Ah, I loved this moment made me tear up again watching it. Well, we got a fan question from Kaylee and Auburn, New York. Jenna, did you have any idea before this episode that the writers were going to make Pam pregnant? And what were your thoughts when you found out? Well, I barely knew. They did not warn us like weeks or months ahead. I found out basically right before the table read. And I remember sitting in that table read and Ken Quapis read the stage directions and there was like an audible gasp in the room. Mm-hmm. Everyone was like, ah! Ah! Ah! So here's what the script said. This is what Ken read. The doctor tells Jim something and we see Jim's face light up. Pam is also grinning. Jim and Pam hug, Jim walks out with a big smile on his face. So the script did not even say that Jim and Pam were going to have a baby,

1:30:52but everybody knew, oh my gosh, Jim and Pam are going to have a baby. But that was just for the table read. If you read the shooting draft for this episode, those scenes are omitted. It just says scene 51, 52, 53, see production for details. Yeah, they immediately took it out of all documentation, all scripts, everything. It was a huge secret. Yeah, they shared on the commentary that our producers made a huge effort to keep this a secret. They didn't want it to get out to the audience. They didn't want it to be ruined. They could not let NBC know. So crazy. So crazy. So none of the scripts had the final scenes, just like you said, right? And then the scripts that went out, they were omitted from those. And then every day you guys, they would send NBC the CDs of the Dailies. Of what we had shot that day. That's right. It was deleted from that. And then the final master cut of the whole episode, that the network gets to review before it goes on the air.

1:31:54Uh-huh. They had deleted it from those as well. Oh my goodness. And then, Jim said that all of the scripts, every single disc that was sent to NBC, they were all watermarked so that you couldn't copy them in any way. And Jim said in hindsight, if she was someone at NBC, she'd be like, you don't ever watermark her CDs or scripts. Like, what's going on? Like, what was all the hullabaloo with the watermarking? That is so crazy. She said in thinking about it, they watermarked scripts and CDs that didn't even have a scene to copy. So true. But they were just, I guess, so paranoid. Wow. But it didn't get out there. And it was a true surprise. It was. I guess when they finally had to, at the last minute, send the deliverable, arable version, they finally put the scene back in. That's right. But it was too late, you know, for anyone to ruin the surprise. Or to even make promos.

1:32:55I think that was always their big fear. Was that in order to to TV audience? Yeah. That they would reveal like big plot points. And Greg was always so protective of that. All it would have taken is one, like NBC teaser of you and Jim in a hospital. Yes. That's it. Mm-hmm. And they'd have an announcer being like, Jim and Pam get the news of a lifetime on tonight's finale. Thursday, NBC. We got more mail about this scene. And I'm just going to just run through them real quick. Phoebe T from Indiana would like to know if I was actually pregnant or if it was just for the show. Phoebe, it was just for the show. I was not even married to Lee yet, though we were dating and we were getting a little serious, but we weren't at baby yet. No, you weren't there yet. No. You were still in what I call the sexy life. We were in sexy life and I will be wearing a fakie belly in the upcoming season. And I'll tell you all about it. And then Louise from Washington said, why did the writers decide on Pam and Jim having a baby before getting married?

1:33:57You guys, that's just Greg. He liked to keep people on their toes. He liked to surprise the audience. And finally, Liz B from Columbus, Ohio said what ended up happening with Pam's ankle? Liz, I love you. I love that in this whole episode, we have left you hanging about Pam's ankle. I feel you. This is how I feel when I watch a John Wick movie. He has lots of injuries. And how does he get to the day? I need them to be resolved. So Liz, it was just a slight sprain. It's just going to be a little rest, a little elevation, little ice. She's going to be fine. And that, my friends, was company picnic. I have one last thing to say. Is this goodbye to Charles Minor? I believe it is. Aw, Idris, you were fantastic. We really enjoyed rewatching all of your episodes. That was really fun. You were fun to work with. You sure were. Happy company picnic day, everybody. We will be back next week. And we will be starting season six.

1:34:59We are now officially halfway through our rewatch. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. It's blown by. It is blown by. We hope you have a great week. We hope you have a little bit of vacation Stanley in your day. And we'll be here next week. See you then. See you then. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies' second drink. This episode was initially created in collaboration with Ear Wolf. Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jennifer Fisher and Angela Kinsey. Our senior producer is Matt Beagle. Our second drinks episodes are produced by Molly Nugent. Our audio engineer is Sam Keifer. Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese Dennis. Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bretton.

1:35:59Okay, sis, give me the scoop. What have you been up to? Living my best life. I've been traveling, working, even hiking more, and things to team mobile, I'm connected for all of it. Really? I need details. I mean, with America's best network, I can pretty much go anywhere. Even when I'm off-grid, I'm still connected by satellite. That's cool. Plus, I get unlimited texting and data brought, so I'm all set for my trip to Greece. I don't even need to do anything. It'll just work when I get there. That's it. I gotta get team mobile. I don't even get reception in my apartment. This is why I'm mom's favorite.