Seth Gruber: The Science Behind Why Indulgence Destroys Societies | DSH #1792

When you become a purely sense-saving, all you want to do is cater to and appeal your senses.

You don't become free. You become a slave. When you give yourself over to another beer,

another glass of wine, I need another dessert. I need another hit of, I need to shoot up another

drug. I need another thing a pot. When you're constantly giving yourself over to your senses and

indulging your appetites, you become enslaved. You do not become free. But we know now because of

the science of the brain, which is fascinating when you start looking at what it does to the brain.

The science behind, please effect on the brain can best be summarized like this, Sean.

Cells that fire together, wire together.

All right, guys. Got fellow podcast host Seth here today, author of 1916 Project.

Thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, thank you, Sean. Yeah, fellow podcaster. Yeah, that's the 2019.

Yeah, the Seth Gruber show. We do two episodes a week, Tuesday, Thursdays.

And I lead a pro-life organization. We're a pro-life pro-family organization.

But for years, I've just slowly evolved my podcast because you can't deal with baby killing

abortion in like a cute little isolated box. A lot of people like think like, oh, you know,

you got the pro-life lane and then you got the anti-trans lane and then you have like the pro-marriage.

Let's overturn a burger fell lane, which by the way is amazing. And then you've got like the third

party reproductive technology lane. And then you got the critical race theory lane. It's like

in one way, that's true. And in another way, it's actually not like all of those ideologies have a

like fundamental foundational common denominator. They intersect. And it's important for us.

I think especially as Christian, Sean, to understand ideas, right? Because ideas have consequences

and bad ideas have victims. And so we talk about a lot on the show, but it all comes back to

the family, the original origin story. That's the foundation of the West. And if we can't protect

the family, let's say little babies from being murdered by their own parents, we will lose

Western civilization forever. Yeah, you really were early on in exposing

Planned Parenthood, right? That was a major part of the film. Yeah, and it's a book too,

which goes way deeper than the 1916 project, same name. But yeah, you know, what's crazy, Sean,

some of my good friends in the conservative culture, war space that frankly are much smarter than

me on a variety of topics. They watched this film and were like, what the hell? No, I have never

heard any of this before. And so like, I'm not talking about the layperson who just loves Jesus

and is trying to provide for their family. I'm talking about culture warriors who fight the left.

They were like, I had no idea. The founding board member of Planned Parenthood was the high

official of the Massachusetts KKK chapter and was invited to meet with Adolf Hitler in 1939

and did a journalistic interview to her in the third Reich and sat on a German eugenics court

to help them reach a positive verdict and sterilizing certain people that they defined as undesirables

and is the only American to met with Hitler on a one-on-one face-to-face meeting after he

rose to power. The founding board member of Planned Parenthood. I never knew that. So we just

been lied to about a lot of stuff. Yeah, I remember going up as a teenager, like that was just a

normal option, a normal route to take, you know, or what to kill your baby. Yeah. Yeah,

like people didn't really question it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I guess the belief, the shan,

that we should have the right to orgasms without responsibility is not a new thing.

Orgasms without responsibility. That's not a new thing at all, bro, for millennia

civilizations have wanted to have sexual pleasure without any of the responsibility for their

sexual choices. Yeah. For if we want to go way back, Sean, I love the story of Gideon in

Judges six. No. We're talking like way before ancient Rome. And Gideon's like heightened up

in a mountain cave or a wine press and they're being oppressed by the Midianites. They kind of

had Bernie Sanders democratic socialism. And so they produce things and the Midianites steal it.

Yeah. And so Gideon's heightened up in a wine press and he's threshing his own weed,

keeping it to himself. I mean, God, the angel of the Lord appears to Gideon and judges

chapter six and says, Gideon, walk out of this cave and you go tear down those Ashera Poles

and the Baal statues. Now, for people who don't read the Bible or they're not Christians,

it like the what was just said is fascinating. The Ashera Poles or Ashtereff was the fertility

sex goddess. And in antiquity, they would worship her through orgies and free the libido. It was

like a woodstock party. Okay. If it feels good, do it. But what happens when you live like that?

You know, you're just having sex with everything. Babies. Yeah. Yeah. When you just do a you

and you have sex with everything, as long as it's a woman, obviously like Pete Buttigieg can't

reproduce. Babies. Well, that's why we have Baal. They would sacrifice children. Babies

infants to Baal and Molec. Wow. Okay. These are demons. Obviously, it's not a little bronze

idol. These are demons. So do you think it's a coincidence that the two gods being worshiped

in judges six are sexual liberation and child sacrifice? Bro, those two sins have been linked

since time immemorial. Yeah. We want to do a bunch of sex stuff. Feel good. Oh, shoot. There's a

baby. Let's kill it. That goes back millennia and child sacrifice has always been the foundation

of a teetering empire, like a nation that kills its own children will eventually die by suicide.

Whether you're a Christian or not, whether you're a liberal or a conservative or not, it doesn't

freaking matter. That's a historical fact. Yeah. You cannot continually embrace sexual liberation

and baby killing and expect your nation to continue to flourish. Yeah. One of the numbers on

abortion these days, have they gone up? Have they gone down? Dude, that's the horrific thing, John,

is that the year after the overturning of Roe v. Wade. So 2022, Roe gets overturned, right?

2023, 2024, we get the numbers from Planned Parenthood Statistical Research Branch.

Yeah. Good marker institute. They give us the numbers roughly on how many abortion, how many

babies were killed the year after the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Bro, over a million, which means,

what's this? That was a higher number at annualized rate than we had seen in over 10 years.

You said a million last year? I'm, this is 2023, but I think 2024 was about the same.

Because that will apply to her. Here's the thing. Why I'm stumbling, John, is because no one

actually knows. You want to know why? Why? Because Bill Clinton said that states no longer

have to report their abortion data. You could think for this. Okay. So guess, oh, guess what,

some of the states who don't report their abortion data numbers are California, Oregon,

Washington, Washington, DC, some of the states that kill the most children. So I guess I'm telling

your listeners anytime you hear a certain number of how many babies were killed in America.

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abortion data. But the numbers we did get the year after the overturning of Roe v. Wade. What does

this mean? It means the very next year after Americans lost their federal right to kill babies and

it only became a state decision. Americans apparently got a lot more bloodthirsty and killed more babies.

The second that Roe v. Wade got taken away, then they were killing in the 10 years leading up to

the overturning of Roe v. Wade. This is a problem for society. This is why you can't just say,

oh, stay in your pro-life lane. It's like, no, this is where societies go to die. Have you ever heard

of JD Unwin? No. This is fascinating, dude. Your listeners will love this. He writes a book

called Sex and Culture in 1934, so 91 years ago. He's a sociologist, anthropologist, historian.

He's doing a study. It's data. It's not commentary. It's not like an opinion book he's writing on

why cultures die. He studied 86 civilizations over 5,000 years asking the question, why do societies

flourish and why do they decline or die? And he finds a 100% correlation between sexually

monogamous heterosexual marriage-based cultures and cultural advancement, cultural energy,

cultural power, like the cultures and societies that build things, right? And he also finds a 100%

correlation, John, between sexual liberation, free the libido. We want to codify all manner of

sexual, quote, unquote, rights and the death and decline of those civilizations.

Now, what's interesting, why most people don't know about this work and do the books like

this fat dude, is because it's a total indictment on liberalism. It's a total indictment on

libertarianism. It's a total indictment on squishy conservatism that says, like, I want to have

my cake and eat it too. I want a legalized gay marriage. I want to legalize

threples. I want to legalize the gays getting kids. I want to legalize single adult pedophiles

who don't have to have a background check before they can rent a poor woman's uterus and get a

baby. I want to remove the laws against autonomy and I want to legalize all porn. But also,

I want a really strong America with a strong national defense and a people that's strong enough

to continue their society flourishing for the next generation. You can't have it both ways.

That's basically his findings. So it's a total indictment on really the liberal project.

91 years ago, and his conclusion in studying 86 civilizations over 5,000 years is once a society

embraces sexual liberation or sexual freedoms, they have three generations left before they're

taken over by another culture or society with greater social energy. But he defined a generation

by about 30 years, a little different than we do now. He wrote in 1934. And so my contention is

this, Sean, America embraced total sexual freedom in 1973 for three reasons. One, Roe versus

weight, no legalized killing babies in the womb through all nightmares of pregnancy in all 50

states funded by the taxpayer. Secondly, the Endangered Species Act, the same year, Sean, we gave

more legal rights to purposes and sea turtles than human babies. And thirdly, we removed the

obscenity laws that stopped the distribution of pornography. All in 1973. So my contention is,

is you don't have total sexual freedom unless you have the right to eliminate the products of your

sexual freedom. Babies. In other words, are you truly, totally, sexually free if you have to take

responsibility for your sexual choices? No, you're only totally, sexually free if you can kill the

products of your sexual freedom, babies. All three of those things happen in 1973. So if I'm doing

my math right, 73 takes us to 2003, 2003 takes us to 2033. We're approaching the beginning of the

third and final chapter. If nothing changes after 30 years. So in 26, he says you have three generations.

And he defines a generation by 30 years. So basically, when a society embraces total sexual

freedom, JD Unwin argues that you have about 90 to 100 years before your civilization and society

decays to the point that the people are just not moral or strong enough to prevent the decline

of their civilization or that a takeover by a society country or culture with greater social

energy. And so I usually don't like to approach history from a technical standpoint like that,

but no one's really been able to argue against or indict his work. And when you look at a

sexually mutilating kids, um, flushing 700,000 babies who are born into the abortion pill down the

American sewage system every year, um, children who have been kidnapped by various states around

the country because their parents didn't support gender identities. And I mean, this is where

civilization is going to die. That is crazy. That is crazy. So 90 to 120 years. So within our

lifetime, if we continue this, yeah, I'm 34. And so if I'm right about like, I think it's

pretty powerful argument that 1973 is the beginning of total sexual freedom. GK Chesterton once

said, wherever there is animal worship, there will be human sacrifice. Yeah. But that literally

happened in the same year in 73. We gave more legal rights to animals while declaring open

season on babies in the womb. And then we said, here's a bunch of porn America. Have fun.

All, all, all, all of that happened in 73. Um, do you want to see porn get banned?

Oh, absolutely. It's poison. Right now it's age limited in certain states. I've noticed that. And

is that tell you everything you need to know, by the way, Sean, about porn hub in the pornography

industry that when Texas did the whole decision, like you got to put in and prove your license and

show your age and everything, they pulled their business out of Texas, rather than comply with

Texas state law. What does that tell you that the pornography industry's primary clientele and

focus in their marketing is minors. Wow. And by the way, that all goes together too. So back

to judges six, right? That sexual liberation free the libido, if it feels good to do it,

always goes together with baby killing. Yeah. That that that's continuing to be true.

One of the things we, we unveiled in my film, the 1916 project streaming on daily wire plus

or any church in America can go to the 1916 project.com and host a screening for your people,

your sheep, your congregants, or get the book. We revealed that play in parenthood is not only

the largest abortion provider in the world. Yeah. They boast on their own website, Sean, that they're

the largest provider of the pornographic comprehensive sexuality education in America's

public schools. Now people don't know what that is. It's not the birds and the bees. I'm not talking

about like male gamis and female gamis. And this is how babies are made. That's not comprehensive

sex. That comprehensive sex at CSE covers cultural Marxism, gender theory, transgenderism.

Many times it actually teaches minors and public schools how to circumvent the law and get a

judicial bypass. So minors can get state permission to get an abortion without parental consent or

knowledge. Okay. They use the gender bread man to teach gender theory and the gender spectrum

and all this stuff. It teaches about anal sex. It teaches kids how to practice all manner of sex acts.

I've studied all I've seen the curriculum. So this is called comprehensive sexuality education.

Okay. In in 1964, plan parenthood had a national medical director. Her name's Mary Calderon.

Mary Calderon left plan parenthood in 64 to found an organization called Seacus. It stands for

the sexuality information education council of the United States. Seacus. Okay. Seacus is still

around today. Their new tagline by the way at Seacus is sex ed for social change. So they're just

openly admitting. We use sexuality education to change the social fabric. It's not about

communicating how babies are made to 10th graders or 5th graders. And guess who gave the seed money

to launch Seacus to plan parenthood's former medical director? She a pepner.

The founder of Playboy Magazine, the pornography industry funded the origins of the comprehensive

sexuality education movement, which which by the way, anyone seen any viral videos in the last

few years of an angry mom or dad speaking at a school board meeting. My brother, John,

I'm a chukwu, big black guy warrior. He's in the film. My film, the 1960s project. He went viral

right because he would read these filthy books or education to the school board. Okay. That's that

all comes from comprehensive sex ed. That all comes from plan parenthood. The pornography industry,

funds the pioneer group that creates this education for kids in the public school.

Now, if you if you have like a semi-functioning prefrontal cortex, you should be thinking right now

conflict of interest, conflict of interest. Right. Of course. How does the pornography industry guarantee

its future success? The next generation. This is true of any business model. If the next generation

is not interested in your product, you're going to go out of business. So hey, kids, here's some porn

and what we're going to wrap it up as like education and health and sex ed. And then they start

looking at you. Wow. Right. And the founding board member of Seekis, Sean. Again, people don't

even know this. Something. No one's heard of Seekis. They're not just a national company. S-I-E-C-U-S.

The sexuality information education council of the United States. They're international. They

work with the United Nations. Yeah. They push their sex out onto impoverished countries. But why do I

do it, Sean? You know, Obama did this all the time and the Clintons. They would approach impoverished

countries who wanted USAID. And guess what? Like the Democrat administration would do to impoverished

countries. They'd say, we will give you aid if you let us run your sexuality education programs.

Pushing the same kind of filth about gender theory and abortion and all manner of weird sex stuff.

And countries like Uganda, for example, that's not on board with all the sexual revolution.

Yeah. They would basically say, screw you. We don't want that in our country, right? And so

the left always comes to these about colonialism, right? Oh, the right is colonialism taking over

different societies and cultures with their values. It's like that's exactly what the

lives in the Democrat parties continue to do when they approach impoverished countries. Let

us teach some abortion education. Let us teach some sex ed to your poor people in your country.

And then we'll give you USAID. Wow. The founding board member of Seacus,

when Mary Calderon from Planned Parenthood establishes his group, his name was Wardell Pomoron.

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Wardell Pomeroy was part of the pro-incess movement. Pro-insessed. That was a movement.

Pederasti. Diddling the kids. Like the most demonic stuff you could think of. Wardell Pomeroy.

Again, I know this is a lot of historical information but it's all connected to today.

He was one of Alfred Kinsey's many gay lovers at the Kinsey Institute at Indiana University

where we get all of this filth from. The point is this. Do you think it's a coincidence

that the largest abortion provider in the world. Bayall, baby killing, is also the largest provider

of pornographic education in the public schools. Ashera Poles. We're back at judges six.

Worshiping sexual liberation and sacrificing your children. They always have gone hand in hand.

Wow. So man, you've done your research. Holy crap. I've never seen someone be able to bridge

the two worlds like you. Well, thanks for letting me soapbox for a moment. No, I am honestly blown away

because like you said, I've never heard of Seekas. I've never heard of a lot of this stuff.

This is crazy. They definitely suppress this information, right?

Well, and here's why they take that approach, Sean. The, you know, the, the patristics that church

fathers, they understood that lust darkens the mind. Right. That when you give yourself over to

indulging your appetites and I don't just mean food, right? Like, like, porn, video games,

Netflix and chill, entertain me, pleasure. Right? Like, when, when you become a purely

sensate being, all you want to do is is cater to and appeal your senses. You don't become free.

You become a slave. Interesting. When you give yourself over to, you know, another beer,

another glass of wine. I need another dessert. I need a, I need, I need another hit of porn.

I need to shoot up another drug. I need another thing upon when you're constantly giving yourself

over to your senses and indulging your appetites. You become enslaved. You do not become free. Yeah.

But we know now because of the science of the brain, which is fascinating when you start looking

at porn and what it does to the brain, the science behind pornography's effect on the brain can best

be summarized like this on cells that fire together, wire together. Have you heard that before?

Cells of fire. No. Cells that fire together, wire together. So this is what this means.

When you're constantly, well, let's just get PG 13, I guess, when you're constantly reaching a

rousal. Yeah. And it's never associated with a wife. It's never associated with a human. Right.

It's associated with prostitutes on a screen. And you continue to do that. I mean, the average

age of pornography exposure for boys in America in 2025 is eight years old. Stop it. So my

son turns eight on Christmas. You know, and now remember, like I'm 34. Okay. I'm a millennial.

And millennials are horrible. Like I'm here today to apologize on behalf of my generation.

But like we were the last era to have, I'm 34. We were the last era to remember a childhood

kind of without internet or or maybe dial up. I think 15 is when the first time I saw

I remember my parents had dial up. I remember them getting that, you know,

the internet. So, but now this generation, it's like parents are dumb enough to like say,

here, nine year old, here's an iPhone. Yeah. Like you just gave your kid porn for Christmas.

Instagram is basically porn. That's right. And it's on acts. It's on everything. And so I don't

keep those apps on my phone for a reason. But like, so, so what we know about the science behind

pornography now is that what you continue to look at at the moment of a rousal. Yeah.

We'll fundamentally change the neural pathways of your brain. Holy crap. So guess what's

happening with, let's say, a millennial, a younger millennial who's like 29 or 30. And he's

been looking at porn every multiple times a week for 10 years. Now he gets married.

Guess what's happening, Sean, with old Gen Z and young millennial men, they have ED. Yep.

A lot of with their wife. Yep. Why? Because they continue to only have a rousal associated with

what they're looking at on the screen, cells that fire together, wire together. So now the cells

firing in your brain in terms of, you know, orgasm and arousal, you're wiring those cells to images

on a screen. And now that's the only way that you can perform. Are you free? Now you're a slave,

dude. You're an absolute slave. And people who only look at their own naval, we naval gazing just

all you care about is yourself. Those people are very easy to control. And this strategy goes back

ages, ages. Porn is a side porn is a weapon. Wow. Okay. Have you ever heard of Caligula?

Why have I heard of that? You've heard of Nero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Famous for persecuting

Christians and blaming them for the great fire in 64 AD. Well, Caligula was the Caesar

who rained during the events of the book of Acts. Okay. Right. Matthew Mark Luke John Acts.

Caligula is the the Caesar in Rome during the events of the book of Acts with the the birth of

the early church. Caligula was insane. He was one of the first times that you begin to see sex

used as a weapon. Really? And by the way, we see this today with like, you know, with Epstein and

Chonditi Comes and it's the same stretch. Blackmail. Yes. Augustine called it libido dominandi.

How did they do it back then? No, without the deal. So, so, so, so, well, the thing about Caligula

is that he wasn't just a sense state reprobate, although he was. He was actually quite the intellectual.

Yeah. And he knew what he was doing. So, he, I think he debauched all of his sisters. Yeah.

Would sleep with the wives of the members of the Roman Senate and then would force the members

of the Roman Senate into all manner of orgy sexual insanity. And when they succumbed,

he owned them and would blackmail them into doing what he want out of. So, this happens at the

political level in two different ways. We know that sex is used as a weapon because we hear the

stories. We know that there's weird stuff that goes on in DC. Yeah. And we often don't know how to

explain a former conservative warrior who we thought was with us, who out of nowhere,

caved on a really important piece of legislation. I can't prove it, Sean, but like we kind of,

we know someone went over there and said, I have this video of you doing this thing at the bar,

not party the other night. I don't want to release it. So, we just need your vote on a couple

of bill. That happens. We know that happens. So sex and porn is a weapon in two ways. One,

in that way, direct blackmail, but two, by enslaving a populace to their appetites and urges,

because those who are enslaved to their senses are not looking up. They're not looking out.

They're looking down. They're not aware of what's happening in the country. They don't care

about the death of the republic, the killing of babies, the redefinition of the family and the

sexualization of children, because all they care about is their belly, their appetite and their

senses. Those people are very easy to control. Yeah. And all of this is wrapped up in the

sexual revolution. All of this goes back millennia. We see the same things in Babylon. None of this

has changed. What has changed, Sean, is the Church of Jesus Christ. Christians are asleep in the

light. They're no longer aware. They're no longer in tune with what makes God angry. We're no longer

in tune with history that we've seen these things before and they're coming back. And historically,

the only institution or people who stood against this kind of madness was Christians. Why? Because

Jesus became a baby. He took the form of the weakest thing in society. Then he was murdered for

our sins and for our salvation. And so this furnish is the idea of children's rights that no,

no, no, you don't get to say children have less value. They're equally valuable. They're image

bears of God. Why? Because your Savior became one of those children. He became a little baby.

And if he had value, then so does Sean. Then so does Seth. And so does everyone else.

Christianity invented the pro-life movement. Christianity invented the children's rights movement.

Christianity invented the protection of marriage in the family. And until the Church gets back to

this, all those same evils will continue to crop back up. Yeah, because now Christians are watching

porn, right? What's that? Now Christians are watching porn. They've lost their values, right?

Yep. That's right. What are the stats on? Do you know what percentage of people watch porn?

Oh my gosh. And do the number of Christian men or pastors? You know, pastors have been pulled

about this. Really? The use of porn in the church and with pastors is basically if you look at it,

your church, you can assume 50% of the men in your congregation are watching porn on a weekly basis.

And that's within the church. There's probably even worse outside of the church.

Oh, absolutely. And many pastors, like there's great research on this by Barna Institute,

but like pastors, huge percentages of pastors are addicted to porn and watching it on a regular basis.

That's because so this is one of the strongholds that Satan has in the church. I guess I'll put it like this.

You can't, you can't tear down the high places when you've erected ashara poles in your own living room,

right? The worship of satan. That's why I was referring to judges sex. It was the representation

of sexual worship. What? When a man is doing that in his own bedroom, in his own home while his

wife and children are asleep, that man cannot fight or defeat what he is enslaved to.

You can't take people somewhere you have not gone. You can't defeat out there what you have

not defeated in here. And that's why the church is so important. That's why the prophetic role of

the pastor is so important, calling their people to personal holiness, to repentance. You get,

you get it right in here first. Yeah. Then you get it right in your home with your wife and

children and you'll change the world. I love it. Is it a deal breaker for you personally if your

pastor watches porn? Oh, of course you wouldn't say that. I just said. Now listen, do men and women

occasionally stumble and mess up? Yeah. But the issue is repentance and putting yourself under

discipleship and the authority of others. But yeah, if a man is enslaved to sexual sin, he has

no business leading the church. Wow. Wow. So that needs to be fixed. Yeah. And so what are two of

that biggest issues? By the way, that the church by and large John never talks about America abortion

and porn. And I've seen the data on this like churches routinely don't talk about these issues.

But in my opinion, John, these are two of the issues destroying the West. They're the most

significant civilizational foundational issues of a society. The family, procreation, babies,

children, yeah, sexual sin. And when the church doesn't deal with these issues, this republic is

going to crumble very, very fast. When did that start happen? You think where the church

stopped talking about those issues? Yeah, that deserves like a full another 30 minute talk about

everything. But I'll do it briefly. This is my next film, by the way, my next film is called

The Last Stand. And it gets into the glorious forgotten history of the church over 2,000 years

standing against all these same evils. Yeah. And we've forgotten who we are. But anyways,

why did the church pull away? I guess the short answer is we traded our birthright for a bowl of

porridge. We wanted the accolades and adabois and love of the culture. Yeah. We wanted to try to

manufacture Jesus to make him look really attractive. But if you're going to do that and you live

in a post-Christian society where most Americans kind of are on board with abortion, they're kind of

on board with porn. And those people are coming to your church. If you start preaching a bold big boy

gospel preaching righteousness against those evils, well, some of those people might not come back

to your church. They might be offended by that. They don't, they don't like that kind of Jesus.

They want the Jesus that says, I love you. Not the Jesus that calls you to repentance.

And so this is a huge issue in the church in America is that if they do touch these issues,

they do it. They die the death of a thousand qualifications. And they don't actually lead well on

this. And so at the White Rose resistance, this is what we do. We don't just make films. We

launch resistance chapters around the country, mobilizing historically the most powerful organism

for change in the world, the Church of Jesus Christ to stand against these evils. We just shut

down a huge abortion clinic in Boulder, Colorado that was led by Warren Hurn who has been killing

babies in the third trimester since 1973. He's in his 80s. And we just shut down that abortion

mill in Boulder, Colorado because we had so many Christians outside of it on a routine basis.

Wow. So when we fight these issues, we're not just fighting for the unborn. We're actually

fighting for the soul of the West and the foundations of a nation because historically,

whether you like it or not, a nation that kills its own children will eventually die by suicide.

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