Shane Cashman #1466

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2:15Shane, this conversation I've been looking forward to for a little while. I've been following you on X and so thanks for coming on. I want to start this off with what Sam Tripoli put out yesterday on X, which I thought was just hilarious. He asked Grock to take a, if they could do Candace, take a picture of take Candace's photo with that girl and put them in lingerie and Grock turned it down post of the day. Grock, Grock, Grock. I like how Elon can ask Grock. Well, first of all, hey man, thanks for having me on the show. Second of all, I like how Elon can ask Grock to make all these weird like, you know, anime porn that I'm forced to see. Like even if you block Elon, it's not, I didn't I haven't, but like I've heard from people who are like, I have muted Elon, I've blocked them and his anime porn that he used to post all the time will still find you. So he can get away with that. I guess because he built the thing. Grock is his baby, but then poor old Sam just trying to generate something soft core ridiculous porn. Sam, Mr. Tripoli, getting rejected. Man, the man

3:18who who retweets every woman, even the ones without limbs and says, would, he is a menist society. I'm surprised Grock said no. I didn't know Grock was on Team Candace. That's good to know. Well, what's Macahill are all over again. I wonder if he would have changed it to bathing suits if that would have made the pass. Maybe, maybe, maybe it just knows Sam so well that it's like he, we have to say no to him. He has too much, say no, he's lost his mind. But that, no, that's interesting because I see other people besides Elon making Grock do weird things like that all the time. It's like this viral thing that keeps happening where someone's like, turn this, you know, switch their outfits like you're saying. And they, it does. So there must be something political, you know, Grock, I think Grock is highly biased and not as fun as Mr. free speech claims to be. I mean, do you think he's really free speech though? Because I've always come to the conclusion. He made his money on government.

4:19I just don't think you can say whatever you want when you become the richest guy in the world on government contracts. I mean, Michael, he went up there at CPAC, I think, and said free speech and comedy is legal again. So why wouldn't you believe him? He had a, he had a cool glasses on in a necklace and he wore a cool hat. You know, I thought he sounded so believable. He makes memes. He wears shirts that say anal. I mean, I just, it makes sense that you could say anything. But no, clearly he's a humorless defense contractor who is spiritually Canadian and I don't think likes actual humor and has very thin skin. And I don't think he can take any criticism. So he has baked that thin skin into his little robot child, Grock. And I think he only bought Twitter so he could feed the collective consciousness of Twitter into Optimus, which he says is going to be trained to fly the rocket to Mars, if you believe in Mars. But like, that's all it is. It's always a costume he wore as the free speech guy. And he was one of the earlier public facing tech lizards to do that. You know, obviously

5:21Peter Teals in 2015. But once Elon did it after Butler, then you saw like the rebranding the so-called like born again conservative tech guys like Alex Carp and Zuckerberg all of a sudden going MAGA, but it was either survival because they knew like if we can just get in this guy's good side, they'll give us even more money than Biden did and Obama did and Bush did like they, they they just have no moral center. So when they say their free speech, it means nothing. It's like him saying he's pro family. Sure, he's wants to have a big family. But he has the same family values as Ganges Khan. Like he just wants to procreate with like an IVF needle. He doesn't really want to be a father. And if he does appear to be a father in my opinion, it's because he's using his kids as a prop, whether it's at the White House or whether it was on Twitter when he, you know, was like the day or two before he allowed Alex Jones back on. Actually, there's maybe a little earlier than that, maybe a week or two before Alex people were begging him to bring Alex Jones back on. And

6:22he said something like, you know, I held my son while he died in my arms, which is a terrible tragic image, right? But then that's allegedly not true, right? The mom said, I held the baby, you know, and like, look, that's murky. And I don't know. I wasn't there. But to me, it seems like he lies about playing Diablo the way he does. He lies about free speech. He lies about nearly everything. So I think he just wants to be liked. But he used the death of a kid to help people find sympathy in his decision to not bring Alex Jones on. But look how quickly he folded when he realized, oh, they'll like me more if I bring Alex back on. You know, he really doesn't care about anything. And again, like he totally didn't understand what Alex Jones was in trouble for. He thought that Alex was helping to promote violence. Kids, which couldn't be further from the truth. But, you know, I just think that's ridiculous. So I think his, his, his, his like moral centers, like a weather vane and it just goes with the wind goes. And whatever's going to get him likes validation, he'll do that. You know, when he's, when he's coming out of a K hole from too

7:25much ketamine. Well, and also with these people, when when Trump got back in, you know, I would her people say, oh, you know, these, these, these big tech people are kissing the ring or, you know, they've, they've had an awakening or piphany, reminded me of a pulp fiction, right? When Samuel Jackson had a moment of clarity. Yeah. Good reference. And, and I look at that, like, no, these people are not, they have, they're not ideologues. They're transactional. And I still to this day, I mean, you look at what they did in 2020 to make sure he didn't get back in, right? All the money that was put in on the opposition side and all of a sudden this time around, it didn't. And, and I was watching that. I mean, I was wrong, but I thought they were going to install Harris again because they really only needed to cheat in a couple of key states, which I'm in one of them in Arizona. I mean, this county's a Maricopa Stole as a mess. It was Georgia, it was Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and I'm missing. I think I'm missing one of them. But, but I, so I thought they would put her in and they didn't. And it was like, okay, why, why are all these

8:29people? Why do the LA times step aside? Why did Washington Post step aside? And then they're all the inauguration. You're like, hmm, hmm. I think because I think it's a lot of this is scripted. You know, and I think a lot of it is they, as in the powers that be whatever, whatever ancient puppeteering is. What do you think that is, Shane? Not to interrupt you, but, you know, I, I'm going to start asking people, and I don't think it matters who they is, but I'm just curious if you think they are. Well, I think it's people who are possessed with evil, you know, from, from Satan. You know, I think this is an ancient evil out of the fall of man that is operating, you know, at the behest of hell and Satan to capture souls and to maintain power and darkness over fallen world. But they, when it, when we want to get closer and closer to, you know, a nation level, it's people in our government, left and right, it's people, you know, it's so easy for some, some people they is different. You know, it's Israel, is it Russia, it's China, I think it's all

9:29of them, you know, and I think we do, unfortunately, have a, live in a condensed world, thanks to the internet, they kind of turn the whole world into a small town. But also, we have spy agencies. They're all interconnected. We have the five eyes, the CIA, you know, they're all, it's just incestuous. So I, you know, people could also go to the Rothschilds, but I think there's something above them. I think whatever is really behind this thing is a faceless, nameless evil that is, you kind of like whispering into the ears of people who are susceptible, vulnerable to, you know, greed, lust, power and all that good stuff. But like on a level where we can look at people, some people, I think a lot of them right now, the worst of them are the people in Silicon Valley. I think because they're directly attacking Christianity, directly attacking freedom. And like what you were saying, you know, they, they needed to rebrand and get in and kiss the ring, and they knew they would win. So when I was saying this election was scripted, I mean, like, I think there's something behind this where they're like, we lost a lot of the population to,

10:34you know, the dissident point of view because of COVID. And then we censored them, we suppressed them, we destroyed their livelihoods, we shut down the world. And now is everything's turning back on, and we're watching this alleged hero's journey of Trump through law fair, through assassination attempts, real or fake. It was like they have to install him and then hoping that his base, who had become very dissident, disconnected, disillusioned, would be like one hour on board with him and whoever he has. And you do see some of that happening if you're a cat-turd, but like, you know, other than that, most of, most of people with two eyes, you know, are saying he's completely changed everything. You know, he hasn't, he doesn't care about the American people. Farmers are suffering. And everyone who's being rewarded the most are the Silicon Valley people. You know, and I was telling people, leaving up to the last election, with, you know, speaking of Tripoli, we did a show together. And like, I think it was right after Butler happened. I was saying, and so with Sam, this vanstuff, it was right, I guess, the vanst was just been picked. And we were like,

11:38well, Vance's, you know, he was basically created in a test tube, you know, by Palantir. And he was a never-trunker. And just because he has a beard, isn't going to make him seem relatable now. He might say things I like or agree with, but I don't like the lineage, the, the teal lineage. And I think everything teal touches is antithetical to humanity. Palantir, clear view, AI, orchid, rainmaker. I mean, there's a long, long list, right? But like, so Vance being installed, me and Tripoli are talking about how like, this is the, that is the group of people who will be rewarded the most. And then fast forward, second day in Trump 2.0, I was on, on IRL. We were in DC, Matt Wallshazon, Anishel and McCartle, someone super-chatted saying like, Trump's going to be the greatest president ever. And I was like, nah, be, because like that day is when he announced Project Stargate, which was confirming all the issues I was worried about, like, $500 billion to Larry Ellison, Sam Altman, 48 hour designer vaccines created by AI. I'm like, so right out the gate, we're seeing,

12:43you know, anti-Maha, right? Anti-Maga. And then, you know, Zuckerberg eventually gets back into the fold Bill Gates, I mean, like these people censored Trump and many of us. And now we're supposed to just be like, look, I want to say, I believe in change, I believe in redemption, forgiveness, but I don't think these people truly change. I think it's a, it's a costume. Like everything, like most lizards have to wear a skin suit, but like, look at these people. Like yesterday, this meeting they had, Carp, Zuckerberg, these people, I just, to me, I can't trust them based on their own words and actions. It wasn't that long ago that Carp said he was a socialist, no. It wasn't that long ago that he was crawling over J6. It wasn't that long ago that he was using Palantir technology to deliver the vaccines. Zuckerberg was on Rogan talking about censoring at the best of the government and like, just because you have a, a fro and a necklace now, doesn't mean we're going to forget that you're diabolical. And so now these people are, I think, are really, I like to call them the narrative engineers. They're guiding the narrative of this

13:47country into a future where they're like, it's a space race. Got to beat China at all costs. You need data centers everywhere. And that's, I know that's a nuanced conversation because I'm not like, no data centers ever. I think we need to figure something out because we're eating up all the farmland and water and electricity bills are getting higher and higher everywhere. But meanwhile, we're seeing these people get rewarded and all these farmers losing their farmland, selling their farmland, can't pay for fertilizer, diesel prices are at a control. And I'm like, what, you know, I was into Maga because the farmers needed help and the American people at large, you know, not to help out Zuckerberg, who I think is a menace, an actual menace. Business is booming. Is your fulfillment ready for peak season? Switch to shipstation now and handle more volume with confidence when it counts. Shipstation connects Shopify, Amazon, TikTok shop, and over 200 more integrations with one platform that does it all. You can manage orders, sink inventory, track returns, all automatically. Everything your operation needs, all in one place. Right now, qualified shippers get a real dedicated person to get used,

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15:53what's not to like? It seems so obvious that he's just pretending. And maybe it's just autism, you know, I might have to some degree too. But like I just see all these guys together. And like the social cues are gone like, like looking at Musk. I don't think it's just because they're on myth. I think it's because they're awkward. And maybe, you know, they've got neural links we don't know about. But I think they really don't like humans. I think they really don't like humanity. And I think that's why they do things where they're progressing a neural link, you know, beyond just a short-term benefits of giving side to the blind. But like I think that leads into a social credit score system. But also there are a lot of them are transhumanists willing to actually like Sam Altman have some have a company kill them essentially to then upload their consciousness to a computer. I don't think that's actually possible. But they believe that's possible. And so like he's signed up for it, Teal, you know, funding crypto, a cryonics rather. So, you know, I think that being human actually upsets them. And I think they look at us the same way, you know, as an obstacle.

16:56But also as a food source, like I was saying earlier for their LLMs, you know, like the reason Elon bought Twitter was to like in a vampiric way feed off of all of our thoughts and everything. You know, so that's the only reason these AIs are any good is because it's everything we've ever done plus anything before us that's been put on the internet, you know, and now it's just eating it up and deciding what Iranian schoolgirls to blow up. Yeah, you know what you said something. I was trying to think of in a conversation I had earlier this week about vaccines in relation to what Larry Ellison, because remember Larry Ellison was in the office the first week Trump got back in. That was Stargate. Yep. And was it AI? Because remember he was talking about like these I don't like enter your body and they were able to like pinpoint 48. So he was saying that they're going to create 48 hour designer vaccines like personalized vaccines for people. I don't remember that part, but there there was another conversation about that where they're talking about nanotechnology that is self-assembled inside of you. You know, there was

17:59an crazy article about that. It's a little bit of a tangent from this, but there was an article from I think last winter about self-assembling nanotechnology that could form into a microchip in your brain. You know, so like you wouldn't need a robot to cut your brain your skull open and implant them like the neural link, which was like Elon has his robot to do the surgery. They could inject it to you or maybe you can aerosolize versions of it that could get into you. But that all sounds very anti-mob to me. I'm like if I'm not going to take the vaccine, you know, through warp speed. What makes you think all these people and all these maha moms that voted for you because RFK Jr. and his dance are going to be cool with this new $500 billion package for designer vaccines. You know, it's crazy to me. Yeah, the maha movement. I remember getting a disagreement with one of my friends because you know, he was on board with the means casing, Kelly Means, who came out of nowhere. They get on row. They get on Tucker bestselling book that she wrote. That case you wrote,

19:03I was get because Casey's the girl and Kelly's the guy and Kelly was a farma big farma lobbyist in DC and you know, I mean, I had married I've had Mary Bowden on. I've had you know, bunch of these doctors that got destroyed during 2020. And I remember somebody saying to me, they're like they're going to they're going to totally distract from the death jabs. It's my friend Michael Young likes to refer to and they're going to focus it on food. And it's exactly what happened. Yeah, cereal and skidding blood. Which is important because I want to talk about that stuff too. Like, you know, dyes and foods and all that stuff, which is all a lot of that went nowhere. You know, in West Virginia, there was a whole movement to to get the dyes out of different foods. And it looked like it passed, but I guess they repealed it. I haven't looked at that recently, but yeah, these people came out of nowhere and they just want to hijack the movement. It's like anything. Most counterculture movements in this country get hacked into, you know, by the CIA or, you know, you name it even foreign governments too and turn it into a bastardized version of what it wanted

20:05to be, what it originally was. And Mahas would example of that. It's very unfortunate because there are serious things I think we should have been talking about. But I was also looking for like accountability for, as you say, the death jabs and all that stuff, like shutting down the world, all the small businesses that were destroyed. All the people who got sick or died over it. I have the people who died from isolation and depression through lockdowns. There's so many things that they did to mutilate this country. That was under Trump and, you know, biting as well. Like I was hoping for saying that by the way, Shane. Thank you for saying that, pointing out both of them because I think people, they miss a key part of that whole thing. I'm sorry, I mean, but I think that that's so important that people, they want to blame Biden for everything, especially the Magicaltists still. And, you know, let's remember and you just pointed out who was who was in charge during 2020? Yeah, who was rewarding Fauci? You know, like it was pretty insane. And the way they like they do everything else, politicized COVID, you know, I was in New York

21:08still. So we got that we had the great governor Cuomo, who somehow didn't get nervous, child, but got me to instead. And they replaced him with an even crazier person, hopeful. But watching what they did to that city, we had to blasio. You know, this is for those who don't remember and, you know, want to have PTSD real quick. They were handing out free burgers for vaccines. These are good times, medical segregation, papers, you know, all that good stuff. But no accountability. So I'm hoping when these people got in, I mean, literally, RFK Jr wrote, I think a great book called the Real Anthony Fauci, which is like a horror book, you know, that details that guy's story. And I don't know if you know this, but like, sickle means, um, uh, uh, Reaper, uh, not Reaper, um, Sythe, the Reaper's the thing he holds. Like, come on. That's, that's ridiculous, but it's true. And, uh, I'm like, what happened to accountability? What happened to rectribution? Um, I was really hoping for that. I don't, you know,

22:10I appreciate Ram Paul yelling at them. But what does that really do for us? You know, because if we don't have accountability, it means these people are just going to do it again and do time. And I think they can't wait. And I think these tech guys are moving in the direction where the next sort of lockdown, you know, which I hope doesn't happen. But you see this thing percolating up, whether it's climate alarmism, the, the internet apocalypse, you see in different articles now, where it's like, where is that going? How do these people take advantage of it? Because they love taking advantage of bad situations. And when we get there, what will the surveillance apparatus be like? It'll be way worse than what we have now when we had during COVID, because this administration just keeps funding it. And they like, earlier, we're talking about Elon Musk and being a defense contractor. That dude just made the, how billions of dollars for the contract for building the golden dome, you know, our version of the iron dome, which is literally sky net, you know, and Elon has said as much, he's like, is either going to be paradise or it's going to be sky net. Well, that sounds

23:13great, because I don't believe you can make paradise on this planet. But I do think you can get something close to a sky net. You said the word evil earlier. And, you know, that to me was what 2020 was all about. And I keep going back to that, because I think it's very important to where we are now. And people want to forget and they move on from it. And I get it. I understand why people want to, you know, people got duped. And it's a hard thing to come, it's a hard thing to come to terms with that your government, I mean, I, I didn't not trust agencies before that period. Not don't trust any of them. Right. But, you know, you look at what we're heading now. I see, I see a lot of parallels between 2020 and what's occurring, especially in relation to this war. And also, I mean, in Tucker Carlson did a really great monologue last week and he had Brandon Wiker on right after, which encouraged people to listen to, but he was talking about all the refineries that have been taken out since this war started. They are manufacturing this crisis, in my opinion, just like they did

24:16during 2020. They're taking out refineries. I think you're right, dude. And I think it's on many levels where they're slowly getting back to it. I don't know why you just reminded me of something else like of a precursor that I, in retrospect, could see as foreshadowing COVID and medical tyranny, but like in New York, they got rid of religious exemptions, you know, a year or two before COVID came out. So it's like you talk about building towards, you know, manufactured catastrophe. It does feel like we're getting towards that again. And they're also starting to talk about a new victim class. Like in 2020, we had BLM, we had riots, all this stuff. You know, these tech guys are trying to become a victim class. We saw Altman get the Molotov cocktail thrown at his house. And now there's a lot of talk in that world about how criticism of AI could incite violence. And at the same, at that same week where that happened, we saw that NYPD

25:17had released a document or it leaked saying that, you know, you got to be careful about open critics of AI because these people could lead to violence. So I'm like, okay, so now they're going to see how that could start to swerve into eroding more free speech. Because like, oh, just criticism is violence now, which like 2020, what are we here? Two things that made no sense. Words or violence and silence is violence. So like you're saying, we're kind of steering this crazy ship in that direction again. And the guys who are in charge of the surveillance apparatus and the government, you know, these guys, I don't see them as private companies. I see them as extensions of the government, you know, I saw someone recently, I figure who it was, one of these tech guys saying like, what's different about AI is that this is all the private sector moving into the government. I'm like, really? Palantir was funded by the CIA, you know, like we wouldn't have it if it weren't for InQTel. The CIA's venture capitalist firm. And a lot of the like, you know,

26:18we know Facebook came out of a, out of like DARPA, Bayzo's DARPA connections. All these things are, I think there's just, it's just the illusion of private sector. But and if they're not, add it born out of the government, they're at least getting funded by it for decades. So I see them moving towards this other weird dystopia new victim class that will take away your right to say certain things because they're afraid that you criticize it. It'll lead to violence. And we also have Peter Teal from Palantir saying critics of AI are legionnaires of the anti-Christ. Those are pretty serious words, you know, to say that he claims to be a Christian. I don't believe he is a practicing Christian, but so he says, but that those are the speeches he's been giving privately, you know, and we know that he says this. He also thinks Greta Tumberg is the anti-Christ. And I don't believe he believes in anti-Christ, not the anti-Christ. And I don't like Greta Tumberg. But I'm like, I would maybe venture to say that what you're building could be closer to an evil thing than whatever

27:19Greta is doing. But no, it's interesting you see that pattern. And it does feel like that on top of all that, how much chaos is going on? Or the economy is trash and we know like they love fixing the economy by just doing more and more wars. That's why we're seeing headlines about Trump's going to invade Cuba. You know, who knows? But it seems like they can't get enough. And then another lay of all that is this push to rebrand AI. We're watching right now before our very eyes. Let's call data centers. Trump is saying super intelligent factories. Now AI is super intelligence. I think it's just like a lot of things that happen in the class of people who are trying to maintain a stranglehold on culture is rebranding the old gods into something new. Lesser false idols, you know, and that's what AI is to me. It's this lesser false god, lower G god that these people are trying to build and force on us and also trying to scare us

28:23into worshipping it. That's why they're saying like Bill Gates just the other day. He's like, oh, AI could lead to events that might kill a billion people. Really, sounds like climate alarmism again. It sounds like you're trying to create a false religion where people are both addicted to and worshipping and fearing your god, this little G god. So yeah, it's scary to think where that goes next. And I think it's something's coming to a head because what scares them is that it's become a bipartisan issue on the ground across the country, people on the left and the right and center starting to really, you know, go out and be like, we don't want these data centers in our neighborhoods. We don't want you AI to teach our kids what happened to Maha, what happened to freedom, you know, all this stuff, which I think is a great thing to see people get together at least on something, but that's definitely not what the narrative engineers are looking for too. They want us to fight all the time. Does it make you wonder though, you know, with 2020,

29:25what's happening now, this is the next step of what they ultimately want because I tell you, the first thought I had when, you know, a friend of mine pointed this out to me back when the war started, I was like, man, I should have read a gender 2030. Maybe I should have taken that a little more seriously because you want to kill a lot of people. This is a pretty good strategy. And here's the other thing too, and Tucker pointed this out to me, said it much better than I could, but you know, the climate change, you don't hear the term anymore, but what they're doing right now, they don't want you and I going anywhere, they don't want us driving. They don't want you flying. Like, hey, flying did it look great the past few years, Boeing just couldn't keep planes with doors on the sky. And then, so it's so interesting how they're on one side of their mouth are saying, look, we built AI, we don't know how it works. And also it's dangerous. Also, it's going to replace you. Also, it's going to make paradise. And then the government says, we're thinking about putting AI in charge of flight traffic control. Like, what? Okay, what is going on here? I think it's a lot of it is like,

30:26they don't want you traveling. They don't want you being with people. They want you isolated, which also helps then bring in the idea of their 15-minute cities, you know, where you are isolated. I see them here. You know, they have them, they have a, I mean, you could technically say that I live in one because I have everything within most of everything within walking distance, but they're building more of them in Phoenix. And I noticed some in North East Ohio when I was back there recently. And it's start, it makes sense. I mean, they take these areas with apartments in a gym. And then like specifically here in Phoenix, they took an old mall out. And so they put apartments, a whole foods. And then another gym and then these regional restaurants, you have like Italian restaurant, you have your Mexican restaurant, God, have an Alta. So the women can get their makeup and probably throw in an Apple store there too. But it's all right there on the mall on those old mall properties. And it comes down to, so this is why our definitions are important and that we should try to be on the same page. But the tech people have different

31:30definitions. And Elon says this will be an age of abundance, but he's looking at a future like you just described, you know, he thinks that will be the abundance. When I think of abundance, I'm thinking of farmland, good real food, family, a church, you know, wilderness, a natural world, but they see abundance in a digital world, which is what they're building out. And that's what all of them have been working on, whether it's these private cities or inside that, the isolation of the metaverse, you know, and dude, like the thing that really upsets me, one of the things, like there's a lot, but these guys is like Mark Andreessen, Reid Hoffman. So Mark Andreessen, venture capitalist, these guys looks like conehead, right? And he's stuck, he's stuck, right? Exactly. And then Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn, Reid Hoffman, PayPal Mafia. Those guys have a project called Forever California. Is either Forever California or California forever? Have you heard of this? No, uh-uh. The GLP1 pills you've been hearing about are on

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33:34The farmers refused. And so on Dresan and Hoffman and their company turned around and were like, we're going to see the farmers. We believe they're colluding against us and just sued them into oblivion. So all of these farmers who said no, we never want to sell, just went bankrupt to fighting them in the courts had to turn around and sell because these guys want to build their little private cities. And all those guys are obsessed with it. Teal has the floating city. I forget what Altman's got. They're all working on some strange private biohacker city where you can look up people with the Tesla keys implanted in their hands, people doing weird things like remove all the bacteria. I mean, it's really kind of like it's super interesting like cyborg stuff, but it's also like what they're building is a future where you're just constantly plugged in like the matrix. And you're feeding the AI to AI's feeding you. You don't have to be married, you don't have to have kids. You just have a Tomagachi and take this injection that will give you the slop with the vitamins they say you need. And then when you're ready to go, just step into a pod and

34:39then for whom they feed you to their machines and then someone else replaces you. They're talking about artificial womb factories that can make babies in these artificial rooms. They're just doing everything they can to replace us or just keep us barely hanging on as a species as I think they do need us, like I said, as a food source. But at some point they probably won't because their machines will just teach themselves. But I don't know how close that is, but like you're saying, you know, these 15-minute cities, they're already here. And I think that's what they see as pro-America, pro-freedom, pro-abundance, but it's completely the opposite. Well, I mean, another thing that I'm concerned with after I mean, my plan is to move back to Ohio after the first of the year. Am I going to be able to have gas to dry back? Oh, that's so bad. It's so bad. I mean, I'm already seeing I want to think I don't know if they're real or not. That's why it's like I always have to preface this by saying that because anyone could say they're a trucker on a video. I have seen multiple videos of people claiming their truckers

35:41saying that they're going to boycott in October. And like- This is supposed to be tomorrow, it was in October first. I saw one point. It is tomorrow, yeah. Maybe it's changed, but yeah. Last I saw that's what I saw too. So I don't know, I can't verify if it was a real or not, but we can certainly verify that diesel is astronomical right now. You know, these these truckers are hurting. So our farmers are hurting and our truckers are hurting like dude, come on. And then you can see these people who are invited to the White House who are I think diabolical, Bill Gates, especially. And what he can see how he can just be like, well, President Trump, I can step in and we have all this 3D printed meat or however he's been making his meat in his weird labs like a fake butter and all this weird stuff. And then we'll have that. I'm like, no, again, that is against all the maha stuff. This is why people are going to sit out of this election because all those angry moms who voted for maha because of all the medical tyranny during lockdowns, they are furious. They're like, we're never voting again, you know, and I think that they rallied a lot of moms to help change the

36:46vote in a good way if you're actually going to get what they voted for, but they didn't. You know, we saw something like that in Northern Virginia, not far from me when Northam was governor and they had all the weird, the trans stuff, gender, bathroom issues in Latin County and those moms were furious. And most of them were probably like, literally leaning, but they're like, this is hurt in our kids. They got that guy out and then that guy didn't do great. They were Republican who they replaced them, like they didn't do right. And so they just sat out and then they got another crazy person from the left back in the governor's house. So I think people are just tapped out. They're like, there's nothing we can do when it comes to voting on a federal level. That's what we can do is focus locally. And most of the issues that we think are terrible from like the culture war is stuff that parents are going to have to do themselves in the front lines. There's nothing the government can do for you. People should know this already, but I think it took this right now for people to actually be like, yeah, there's no voting out of this. You know, both sides are terrible. People still think though, people still,

37:48I mean, you're hearing it now. I put it out of post last night. I said a couple days ago, it's like, stop shaming people if they don't want to vote. Just stop. That's 2024. Yeah. What kind of responses did you get? Oh, well, I got people that were saying, well, oh, we're going to let the communist end. Some people, some people, okay, let's say, let's let's let's let's hope hypothetical. Let's say the Republicans hold on the House and send it. What have they done the last two years? The one thing I'm into is that Trump banned foreign rumbers. I want to get rid of all the rumbers. Sorry if you have a vacuum robot vacuum in your house, but that's the one thing I'm like, we gotta get rid of the rumbers and all things that look like rumbers. But no, you're right, dude, they've done nothing. They've done absolutely. They started wars. They kidnapped Maduro. We got discombobulator in Venezuela. We bombed Iran. We've obliterated it twice now. It's ridiculous. And you can make the argument things are worse now than what they

38:53were with the last administration. Oh, it's easy to make. I mean, the last administration, it was just easy to be like, well, they installed a corpse, you know, and it's bad. But like, but we weren't suffering on an individual basis in our communities like we are now. Like, the economy is trash. And people are like, whoa, it's Biden's fault. And look, you didn't help because he sucked too. But these wars are now, you know, like the Iran thing is now, you know, that started for Trump. And that, you know, we're watching the oil prices surge because of that. And I just can't believe the amount we're paying for gas right now. And the people who commute, dude, it's just unbelievable. It's like people are spending, but people are basically paying to work, you know, when it becomes to daycare babysitting, if it comes to your gas prices, if it comes to your food, obviously, hardly making it, you know, everyone is paycheck to paycheck. I think actually more people are below paycheck to paycheck right now. I just saw that report yesterday. And who

39:57knows, you know, I'm always like skeptical of every poll and every, you know, data point. But I saw something claiming that unemployment, like the worst has ever been. But in terms of people are staying unemployed for a longer time because the market sucks. And then again, to go back to my favorite people, you know, born out of who are hatched out of eggs in Silicon Valley, they're telling you your jobs are going to be replaced. So you're seeing, you're hearing them say that you're, you're in the job market looking for work. It's not going well. People aren't, there's no way people are going to be like, oh, this person's going to help if I vote for them because they've, they've all rewarded these people left or right administrations have rewarded them. So it's a real bummer, dude. But I think it shouldn't black pill people. I think people should be, should have joy that this is in our hands. And we have to protect our kids. And we have to do things in our community to fight back whatever weird ideology you don't want near your kids. You have to pay attention. You can

40:58outsource your kids education to the public schools, to teachers you don't know, to the screen, all this stuff. So hopefully people wake up, you can have a garden, you know, start small. If you have just a window sill, you know, if you have a backyard, get some, you know, two big, two big plots out there and start with cucumbers and tomatoes and stuff. Do something because you cannot rely on these people to save you. They don't want to save you. They'll pretend that they're here to help, but it's really just like, it's not surprising, but it's just a lie. Everything they say is a lie. You know, it's, but I don't think you are surprised by that. I'm not surprised by that. But I've been talking to people who have been like politically curious, you know, in terms of how they vote, you know, left, right, you know, we're reluctant to vote for Trump, but they did because they hated Kamala and Biden and now there's waking up to the fact that there's, you know, there's nothing that you can do at NDC to help the people. Is that what factored into you leaving New York City?

42:05Um, a little bit. So we were just north of the city. We were like an hour north, but my wife and I lived in Brooklyn for a few years and we, I love that city. I love New York. I love the state of New York. You know, we've born and raised there, both of us. Um, it's got a great country. Like most that state is beautiful farmland, beautiful valleys. The city is amazing. It's just captured, like most cities in this country. So at first when we left the city to go back up to, um, upstate, um, it was just not, uh, financially doable, you know, we couldn't afford to live. We had a new born. It was a lot. And, uh, we went and eventually got a house and we, we, um, we signed on a first house. We closed on a first house the day New York shut down for COVID. Um, and then that opened us up to like how crazy things were going to be. Losing friends, you know, people who thought, you know, you should donate

43:09to arsonists, friends who thought you should be vaccinated. Uh, you know, all the crazy stuff was happening so quickly. And, uh, I was a professor, an adjunct professor for years and I thought I'd always be doing that. I love teaching. And I wouldn't mind going back to that at some point, but colleges are totally captured as well. And then so COVID happened lockdowns. We, you know, uh, it's a long story with me and like teaching that, you know, I was, um, forced home, uh, because they, we couldn't teach in person. And then everyone in New York got like that COVID money. And then I went back to work that fall, I guess, if you want, they're like, if you're sick, if you feel safe and often comfortable enough to come teach, you can, I was like one of two professors on the entire campus that went back because I just like need to be in person. Um, and then I you freeze up for a second Shane. I think, uh, I think you froze up on me. Frozen up for a second. Yeah.

44:13I'm here. I'm here. Yeah, you're good. Okay. Sorry. Um, so I was, uh, when I went back to teach that fall, I found out about that law saying that New York, that adjuncts in New York are not allowed to get unemployment. They consider the COVID money unemployment. I had to pay it all back. I was like, well, that is more money than I'm actually making as a professor. So I'm not doing that. And I was furious because at the time, I don't know what the number is now, but like at the time, it was like 80% of professors in America are adjunct professors. So we worked full time, but we're getting paid crap, no office, whatever. And so I quit. I said, I actually had to take the um, colleges to court. So I won. I didn't make money. I just had to pay anything back because I could prove, you know, that this law made no sense. And I still hear from adjuncts who are like, how do I do this? Because everyone got hit like that. And then so my wife loses her job and we have a mortgage and we have, and she was pregnant with our second. And we're like, this is just unlivable.

45:17Everything here is is terrible, which is so unfortunate because it's so beautiful. And I love it there. And we have family there. So, you know, we were looking to leave and go south. And then like a week after I was out of a job, uh, is when Timpool reached out through an email and said, I'm hiring a writer. And I didn't know him at all. But I forgot that six months earlier. I applied, I sent in a resume to write for his, his, um, he was starting a newsroom. And I was like, well, that's, that's good timing. So that was eventually like we were, we were initially thinking like South Carolina or something. I forgot what Virginia was an option. And then we, we moved down. I'm like, we love it here. It's a, it's incredible. It's beautiful. And, uh, you know, the cost of living is a little better. But even now, with the way everything is, it's, it's as almost as bad as it was in New York. Um, maybe worse, honestly, um, in terms of the, uh, the cost of food and gas. But yeah, we left New York. I guess that was five years ago. And, um, we're very happy in West Virginia.

46:18It's amazing. So, so you didn't find a challenge in going from like a bigger area to two West Virginia. I mean, I drove through my road trip last year, good part of the state. And first of all, I'd ever done that before. And it was even in Charleston looking for some more to go get something to eat. I couldn't find anything. I mean, yeah, Charleston's got a, is going through a rough time. Um, unfortunately, the, the majority of the state is poverty stricken. It's really sad. Uh, it's, it's a beautiful, glorious state with so much good history. But unfortunately, there's also an opioid crisis, uh, terrible. Um, so where we are, we're like an hour and a half, two hours from DC. So it's their stuff nearby, but it's still like not what we're used to in New York, you know, whether it was in New York City or in like the Hudson Valley in our north. But, um, you know, it's, it's okay. I grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere with a town like two miles, uh, away. I like that. But um, I was like the ability to be able to bring my kids to a museum or,

47:24you know, finding sushi can be difficult. Um, I like sushi and West Virginia doesn't have the best or the best Mexican food, which is unfortunate. But um, the other thing speaking in Charleston is, is there's no city here, you know, technically Charleston is a city, but it's not a city. So capital, it's capital, right? It is our capital. Yeah. And it will, there's nothing to swing the vote. Like in New York, we're so used to like the majority of New York votes read, but the city votes blue, the city will change the entire electoral map, right? That doesn't happen in West Virginia. What's Virginia was blue? Like pretty solidly up until Bush Gore. And when Gore kind of turned on the unions, which is a big deal here because the mining, they're like screw that, we're voting Bush. And then it's been pretty steady red ever since. You know, if you look at the last election, the, the, the state is just blood red, um, um, which, you know, now I'm like, it doesn't really matter, you know, because there's stuff this governor's doing who's allegedly maga. That's terrible. You know, when it comes to data centers or the maha stuff.

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50:36what you would think a typical state's capital would be. It's really unfortunate. So you'll stay there, you think? Yeah. I think so. If I move, it would be I don't know, Greece. I do want to go out there at some point. But I love the south, like going more south, but I like where we are because we can still kind of drive to New York fairly quickly. We have a lot of friends and family there. We can still get to Baltimore, Philly, and DC. Not that I want to go to DC. But it's in a nice area. The beauty is we have two beautiful rivers and in sane history. I grew up in a part in New York where it was very civil war and revolutionary centric. So we have that here as well. Well, and I'm a nerd for all that stuff. My kid is very happy. We have a great church. It's a very outdoor, happy area and a Christ is very important here in a way that was not like that where I grew up at all.

51:38You know, churches were typically on the fringes of society in New York. Whereas down here, it's the focal point. And that's what I wanted. So now that's what I love. Yeah, I think it's especially, and you know, I'll go back to 2020 here when I'm saying this, because change everything. And I was talking to somebody about the idea of moving for me to move an area right off of Lake Erie, Sandusky, Kataba, Porclinton, and small. I mean, some of these towns are 9,000 people and cousin of mine who's a little bit older. He's like, you know, it's nice in the summer, but in the winter, you're going to have like two people to talk to. And I said, well, I'm in a different mindset now that where I was six or seven years ago, because I don't know about you. I mean, I think based, especially, I mean, based on what we just we've been spending almost an hour talking about, I think there's some bad stuff on the horizon. I don't know when, I don't know the hour or the day these things are going to occur. But I don't believe 2020 was a one off. You see what's going on with this conflict, this manufactured crisis in my opinion of what they're doing. And I live in a horrible place because there's no water where I live in Arizona.

52:44And I don't want to live in an urban area. I mean, you know, it's an hour from Cleveland. I think it's an hour from Toledo or something. So if you got to go to a city, you're close enough you can go. Yeah, but I don't know about you. I don't want to live in. Can you imagine if you live back in that again? Oh, no, no, no, no. I couldn't imagine being in the city during a crisis like that and lockdowns. You know, we were just like I said, we were in our north, you know, when 9-11 was going down and that, you know, reached its paranoia and, you know, fear reached us right there. We had a lot of people commuting down to the city, but that changed our whole neighborhood, you know, just out of terms of fear and paranoia. Police, you know, we had a military base nearby. We had a nuclear power plant across us to river and they were telling us like those are the targets next. So like I can't imagine what it would have been like during COVID when people are, you know, they're so afraid they're not leaving their houses. Supermarkets are could be failing or failing.

53:44And, um, and they're asking you to do this, you know, take these shots so you can participate in society. And yeah, dude, I think it's going somewhere else. These things are cyclical. So it's something will always happen whether it's organic or inorganic. I don't know. Maybe a little bit of both, but, uh, you know, I think a lot of the stuff is manufactured, you know, we're talking about a gender to 30, 30 earlier and like they kind of war game this stuff out. They think about it all the time. We literally saw in the Epstein files Bill Gates and Epstein talking about plague management before COVID. This is what gets them off, you know, they have a fetish for human suffering. So I don't always going to be, but I think you're right, dude, don't, you don't want to be in an urban area for that kind of world. Um, I have a greater peace of mind, um, when, and when I'm out in nature, you know, if it's two people I see for two months, that's fine. But I have friends at church, you know, thankfully, as much as I have negative things to say about the internet and the consequences of it, this is a great thing we can do and connect with people, you know, and do our best to share

54:47information and talk to others. So I think the greatest thing you can do for your soul and safety, and well-being is getting out back into nature while it's still there. And in Ohio, man, it's beautiful. You know, I, I spent a lot of time there, unfortunately on some really dark stories for the book, but like, dude, that, like that trained Aralman and stuff and he's Palestinian. But I never really spent much time driving through Ohio until I was out there for those books for the book. And I was just like, it's so profoundly beautiful, you know, I really love it up there. It's great farmland. So good. And that's so important, I think, to where we're heading. And that also, you know, the whole idea and the other thing I was last night I was going to attack about the, you know, that I'm a doomer and I usually don't respond to these people. Well, first I look at their accounts and if they haven't posted anything for a year, I'm like, oh, this is a bot. But for whatever reason, last night I was in one of these moods because I'm keep hearing about people are talking about martial laws coming at the end of the month and civil war and I'm like, yeah, okay, maybe it's all anything's possible, but that's

55:49not going to happen. There's not going to be a martial law in the next month. Yeah, I hope. Well, they did it. They did it. I mean, if you think about 2020, that was martial law without ever declaring it. They nonviolently shut the country down. And I still believe the toilet paper thing was a total government. That was totally a sigh up by the government. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's funny. It's not funny, but it is funny. You know, they found a way to not do these things, you know, on paper. You know, like they outsourced tyranny to the neighborhood, you know, during COVID. So like the government was, I mean, some governments certainly were some state-level stuff, but like you saw supermarkets, you saw your neighbors becoming tyrants overnight because the fear was so real to them, they're like, I'm going to count how many people go to this house. You better follow the arrows on the floors. They're supermarkets. You better get the vaccine. You know, so you got to think like, how is that? How can that be applied next? In what way, well, that happened. It's always to fear the fear is how they control people all the time.

56:51And I think it will be something, you know, unfortunately, so I have a bias towards the idea of false flags. So I think a lot of stuff we've experienced in American history has been the product of false flags. So my gut always goes there. I know not everything is that. I mean, like, how many, so many of the pattern is pretty telling of things that are perpetrated by our own government. So, you know, I wonder what that is. You know, one of the things I think about when it comes to violence and maybe martial law, a crackdown on freedom is you see a lot of people like Larry Fink and, you know, more of these tech guys saying they're worried about violence against data centers. And you can see how they're going to start trying to label, like I was saying earlier, critics of AI as like Ted Kuzinsky's, you know, which that shouldn't be just being critical if something doesn't mean you wish violence or harm on people, but that new victim class out of Silicon Valley, they see themselves as worthy of this like elevated protected class status. And they're worried

57:55about their data centers. And so I can see them perhaps perpetrating some kind of false flag on a data center to be like, look, this is, we put too much money in this. This administration is behind it. Get all the bots on Twitter to agree with it. Give Cat turned another $1,000 and Benny Johnson. And we'll talk about data centers and we have to protect it at all costs. Even if that means taking away our rights. And I just think like anything is possible because we've we've been lied to so boldly in the past few years, like no wars, you know, all this stuff and they go, they turn so quickly. Yeah. I think anything is possible with these people, whether it's Trump or whoever's next, you know, and this time around, you just want to have the option. You won't be able to get gas. You won't be able to fly. I mean, if you shut the airports down, they did it after 9-11. You're not going anywhere. Yep. And they've already kind of tried that. You know, we've seen those stories earlier this year about airports shutting down. Remember those weird stories? Maybe one was an area of Zona, but like they just shut down. They're like, we might be shut for two

58:57months. They're like, why? It was around the time of like the UFO files or before the UFO files, what they were thinking about UFOs and it was they were trying to make it have like a supernatural angle to it. I think it turned out to be some drones from Mexico, but there were a lot of different stories about airports just shutting down randomly. And I'm like, they're preparing us. You know, it's like these soft launches for what it's going to look like in a world where you just can't fly, can't travel, you know, you have to stay locked home, you're shackled to your 15-minute city. Well, and the other thing too, it's in my view, nobody's interested in this war stopping. And so then I also come back to I think the 2020, I'm like, that wasn't a country versus country thing. That was the governments against their people across the world. And the messaging was so clearly orchestrated because people will say, well, they're not that smart. And they might be right. I've talked to people that are much closer to the room than I will ever be. But I also, you look back at 2020 man, that messaging was carried out to a T to a T. Yeah, everybody was on point. Look how

1:00:00the people who are making so much money off this war. A lot of like the Andrials, you know, these tech companies that are innovating on the front lines, that stuff always comes home to somehow find its way to the police departments, surveillance apparatus, you know, all the time. All the time at war, there's an innovation that eventually comes home, you know, and how they're going to use that against us. Clearview AI, I think is a good example of that. Like facial recognition on a drone, you know, we see a lot of that in Ukraine. And now Clearview, you know, one of these teal, figured teal ventures, they scraped every image of everybody off the internet, even if you're in the background of some like tourist photo, right, in a city. And so it's got everyone's face in the database. How easily can that be used against us in the nefarious ways? Like, you know, I think about social credit scores and how China does it allegedly and, you know, where that's heading, whether it's to someone who's nefarious behind the scenes, go after someone or for the government to do something,

1:01:02you know, we just saw these people get in trouble for using flock cameras for personal reasons to track their children, to track their lovers. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, that's definitely not the only time that's happening, you know, and it's definitely not the government doing it to track you, you know, they call it the pat your pattern of life. So they understand exactly every move you make in your routine. And you're like, well, it makes it so easy for someone to be controlled under the like this false, like little G God that they've built, which is why they need the incentives everywhere. But yeah, it'll be interesting to see how we can squirm out of this next situation when they built this algorithmic prison around us. I think though, you know, I think people, they were doing this in 2020 and it'll just continue. People are just quietly resisting. They just won't have a sign in their capital saying I'm quietly resisting. Yeah, yeah. That is the one thing is like as it will get crazier, there's always going to be a progression

1:02:02towards this erosion of humanity and freedom. However, that'll also breed innovation, you know, so you'll see people be able to subvert it in new and better ways and you have to, you know, and that will for better or worse be the thing that people end up doing, like how do you circumnavigate this stuff? It's going to be tough, you know, with the way they've got you under complete surveillance. And many people just worried about your phones and worried about flock cameras, but it's like they've got spy satellites up there watching your every move, you know. I mean, look at your ring camera in your house. I mean, think about when you go to the doctor, although all that information they put into the EMR. I mean, I mean, every time you log in somewhere, but they're centralizing it all now too. That's the other thing is, you know, they're centralizing it. So to mirror China. Yeah, that's what they want for it's for control, but also data is their food source. So like, they just love having everything. They're learning from it in many ways for various reasons,

1:03:08whether it's experimentation, social engineering, advertising, like that meta whistle blower who came out saying, you know, if say a 15 year old girl posts a selfie and deletes it quickly, that tells the algorithm she's she must be depressed. If she's depressed, let's tell all the advertisers to then send her things because when you're sad, you'll buy stuff. So and that's just like one little example of how the algorithm sees it all of us, right? In various ways. So there's so many different ways for us to do that for us to be fed upon by the algorithm that is it's wild. But yeah, I think people are also going to figure out a way to step out of this. I envision a world of like not a world, but like another offshoot. I like to call them the neo-Homish. I mean, fully omniscient, but people who are just like opting out, you know, we're not going to do all these things. I see children, I see younger generations looking up to like my age and a little younger and older who are, you know, we have a lot of work we do online. We use a lot of different tools.

1:04:13And I see kids being like, I don't really want to do that. Like they want the real world. They want tactile. I see it in music. I see kids, new bands, young bands being like, we just want to be punk rock. Like guitars and drums, you know, and it's really interesting. You're watching these like bands emerge that people are really interested in. I think that's a direct response to everything we've been talking about when it comes to like creativity and outsourcing it to the machine. They're like, and like this prison that people feel like they're in because of the algorithm, they're like, let's just be a two piece and make weird, microtonal music. You know, it's very divorced from the machine. So I love seeing stuff like that. The necessity is the mother of invention. And you're seeing it in ways to subvert the AI, the surveillance state, but also in art, literature, music, stuff like that. And I think that I think to your point, people are going to find how creative they're going to be so much more creative than they ever thought. They're going to be forced to because I think there's going to be less of a corporate one. I think people don't want to work those corporate

1:05:14jobs. But I think there's going to be less of them and it's going to force creativity to be, to it's going to force people to be more creative. And they're going to reach new highs that they never would have imagined if they just stayed in that shitty desk job. Exactly. Yeah. I like seeing people get pushed to that, you know, I hate that it has to happen this way and they're suffering involved and, you know, that's just everything, you know, that makes it difficult to go from day to day and make it through and make sure you got your bills paid on and stuff. But, you know, it will push people like you're saying to create and do things that are interesting because I feel like we've been kind of stale and culturally for a while. And I'm just now starting to see these things emerge in film and in music. I'm like, oh, that's actually new and interesting and not, you know, created by AI. I'm like, I'm excited about that stuff. I know we said we'd talk for an hour, but you know, obviously I want to, if you get time, talk about your book. And working people find your book and find you. So, yeah, dude, that was fun,

1:06:17man. But the, yeah, the book is out now. You can get it. Shane Cashman.com. It's available at like Barnes and Noble, Walmart, Amazon, all those places. But it's been fun. It came out September first and it's been, it's been crazy. You know, it's been in my brain for a year. I traveled to country talking to all these people from Kanye to Carrie Lake. I know you talked to Carrie Lake to Alex Jones and riff raff, all these people. And I saw a through line with all of them, you know, these people who were, whenever I was with them, they happened to be in the headlines and fighting this mob. And I was very fortunate to be given like a front row seat to all the insanity, you know, as if Carrie Lakes ballot trial for, you know, Maricopa County. That was insane because I'm watching, I'm watching them talk about how they printed out the wrong ballot sizes. They knew it. The machines weren't working properly. So I'm like, that's, that's insane. And then I'm sitting

1:07:19next to a guy from NBC. He looked like a, when he looked, he looked like a suit that was, that was like in the inside of him was like a tube of toothpaste. He just looked inhuman and weird. Like he came out of a, out of a right aid, I'd watch him watch the trial. And then I'd go listen to him report on it. And he was saying nothing, nothing he said happened in that trial. I'm like, we're in two different worlds right now. I don't know if he knows this or if he's just so brainwashed, but he would report in the opposite. Like it was just a completely different world. That was fascinating to me. And I just couldn't believe like it went nowhere. You know, we had no chain of custody for the ballots. They were just missing pallets of ballots, missing for some time. I do. I thought, so I thought it was a lock. I also really enjoyed watching Carrie Lakes lawyers. One of them looked and sounded just like the Bickle Bowsky. I forget his name. I forgot who her attorney was. She had two guys. Oh man,

1:08:21I wish I remember his name because he's cool, dude. But I'm like, this guy's awesome. He just had that swagger of like Bickle Bowsky. Meanwhile, the other guy, people for the state, one of them was the son of one of the guys involved in Watergate with Nixon. His dad was the guy who actually pride in file cabinet open. Like amazing. That makes perfect sense. But so again, the book is, it was crazy. So I saw all these people and I was very, very fortunate to be able to write about them Kanye running for president Alex Jones. Unfortunately, after he lost the lawsuit with Sandy Hook. Yeah, it's a roller coaster. And like I was saying to you, man, Ohio, I love it there, but I was very, very sad. But what was it going on in that state? The train wreck in East Palacen was insane. Watching that town get totally destroyed, not like, you know, decimated, but in terms of like toxicity, you know, and what they did, they didn't have to blow up the train car. When I was there,

1:09:21right after it happened, there were scientists and lawyers there being like, they didn't have to blow it up. Everyone else is telling them, yes, they did. And then lo and behold, a year later, we didn't have to blow it up. But actually could have like buried it or something. So man, when I was there, just watching these people have rashes and coughs scared, they were told they couldn't sell or use their livestock. They couldn't use the water. Terrible. The EPA was there. Doing really nothing. Other than just becoming like a glorified therapist for farmers who were scared about what was going on, you know, and then Norfolk Southern just giving out like checks that, you know, I guess might sound like a lot, but it's really not. I think I forget what they got in the end. I think a few thousand. And the very beginning, they got like $700, which is, you know, these days not much. And I just, it was brutal to see them go through that. So, but it gave me the opportunity to visit Ohio. And I think that state is great. And it's given,

1:10:23you know, a lot of good music that I love is from Ohio. So it was cool to be there and see the things that some bands that I liked were looking at, you know, but yeah, the book is kind of like where I've been calling it a bunch of postcards from, you know, this revolving door of tragedy that the country is in, maybe always in, but in particular, you know, as the country was waking up from lockdowns, I started to travel around and kind of get these insights from people who are either in the news, making headlines, but also the people on the ground, teachers, dentists, Uber drivers, you know, waiters, waitresses, and just kind of gauging what the country was like spiritually after COVID and leading up to the election, you know, and my thoughts on that, unfortunately, I was right, you know, that Trump was going to sell us out to the Zuckerbergs, the Ellicons, the musks, and you know, they're the ones getting the money and the farmers are the ones suffering. Were you in the room when Tim cast with Kanye and Fuentes? I was right outside.

1:11:30I was in the house. That's crazy. That was crazy. That was crazy. So Tim told me the day before, like, hey, come by on Monday, it was cyber Monday, and I had a feeling, he didn't tell me in the text why, but I had a feeling because Kanye had been on that tour, that podcast tour, Stalker, Pears Morgan, and Lex Freeman, I was like, oh, it's happening. And I've been a Kanye fan since college dropout. So I remember it was not going well in the room. We're watching it live, I'm downstairs, and I'm texting his Luke. I was like, you gotta just change his conversation, because he's clearly not happy that he's having the same conversation. He's had all week. I was like, so I gave him like, maybe say this or that, just to kind of swerve into another conversation, you know, similar, but not like about this whole thing. And no one listened to me, which I think was, you know, for me, it was great because he walked out and then I got to meet him, then I had this whole story that starts off the whole book. But I did tell him like, hey, man, you should go back upstairs, you know, because I'm in T824. I think this is cool idea. And I don't like any

1:12:33politician. I like outsiders. And I think you're a good collaborator. I believe when you can do, go upstairs, tell him what you're thinking. And because he walked out for like 10 minutes. And he was just like, nope, and I was like, all right. So I took that moment to just be like, I'm going to have conversations now with Kanye that I've always wanted to have as a fan. So I just started talking to him about his opera that I don't think people talk about enough. It's called Mary and it's incredible. And it has some of my favorite instrumentals that he's ever made in there. Just like unbelievable. I'm like, yo, if you can release this officially, so I could have it instead of having to go to YouTube all the time, that'd be great. And he was like, which one? I'm like, so we pull it up and like me and him are just listening to it on my phone. And then we talked a bit. I think he told me he like French kiss to vodka Trump. I don't know if that was a joke or not, but it was hilarious. And then he told me, you know, Milo and the Nick came down and they were all done. Show was going on without them. And he just told me to fly to LA. So, you know, I was like, sweet.

1:13:36And I did two or three days later. I was in the airport when he was on InfoWorl or saying he loved Hitler. And people were hitting me up being like, you can't go out now. You can't. I'm like, I'm totally going out. There was a part of me. I'm like, if I go out to LA, he won't be there. You know, because he was in Austin for InfoWorls. I had no idea. It seemed like it might be a waste of a trip. I almost walked off the plane. I called my wife because I'm like, it's not going to happen. Like the world felt like it was on fire because of what he was saying. I had all these people hitting me up being like, dude, bad idea. I didn't care about what he was saying. I'm just like, this will be a total waste. But she was like, you got to go. Like, whatever happens, you just got to go. So I got back on on the flight. I found that he went to Miami. So I'm like, oh, great. He's not going to happen. But then like I landed a day later. Fuentes hit me up. I did not know. I only met him that day. I had a rally at Tim's spot. And he was like, all right, Kanye wants to meet up. And I was like, cool. And we spent a whole day together talking about like Supreme Court justices, clothing, architecture, rap, you know, everything. And it was great. It was great. Like

1:14:4012 hours, you know, it was amazing. And he was so cool, so funny. And you know, Ben Shapiro is saying, you know, he should be committed at the same time. Elon Musk is literally saying he wants to punch him in the face. Meanwhile, we were just having like a good time. We were laughing, talking about fatherhood and stuff and religion. And so I thought that was a cool time. And then the day ended, I said, thank you very much. You know, he knew I was at the right of story. And then he invited me to go to Bible study the next morning in church. And I was like, cool. So we went. And that turns a whole other crazy day. I did not expect to have or, you know, Bible study church. And then going to a studio in a hotel, writing lyrics together, writing an Instagram post about how Elon, he believed Elon is a, how did he put it? A Chinese clone. And so we wrote this crazy post. You can still look, there were some articles written about this crazy Kanye post about, you know, Elon Musk being a hybrid Chinese clone. It was a wild day. And so yeah, I got,

1:15:43I got like these two crazy days with Kanye talking about everything. And then that I got home and turned into like a month or two of him and I talking regularly daily about what it means to pray talking on the phone or just text messaging. Both both. I didn't think it would go anywhere after that. When I got home, but then all of a sudden, we were at the dinner. I was like, oh, wow, Kanye's calling me. I'm like, all right. Go outside and talk to him. And he starts wrapping about cyber trucks. And like, like, there's no like a, hey, what's up? Nothing like that. It's just we're free styling. And I'm listening to him. I'm like, all right, cool. And he's like, um, what do you think about that? I was like, that's sick. And he was like, now I want you to tell me everything that comes to mind after what you heard based on the freestyle, which is so different than how I usually work. I usually sit in a dark corner alone and take forever banging my head against the wall to right. But he wants me like stream of conscious right now. So I'm just like

1:16:45every anything that comes to mind. And he kind of, I had to like kind of erase this like wall that I have to do it. And in my mind. And so what would happen is he would hear a word or a phrase. And that would inspire him to then start another rap. And we would just go back and forth. I'd be put in group chats with random people. Sometimes his cousins, sometimes Nick, sometimes Owen Benjamin. And he would be asked to write prayers. We'd be talking about lyrics. Um, and that went on for a while. It was like a writing boot camp. It was awesome. You know, to be able to work on writing with one of my favorite artists ever. And then be told like, you know, being brutally honest, which is what you, I want. You know, I want to be like, that sucks. That sucks. You know, I'm not thinking about what's gonna be best for me as a writer. I'm thinking about like, we're all trying to write in Kanye's voice. So we're, whether it's a truth, social post or a song, we're all thinking like, what would he say? How would he say it? How could we put this together? What words are best? What we don't say? What we had in the sentence? What comes out?

1:17:48You know, it was very interesting. It was amazing to do that. Um, I couldn't believe it. But as someone who was a fan of him for so long, you know, I know that's how he worked. So I knew back in LA, when he's asking me about Chinese, you know, Elon being a Chinese clone, I'm like, being swept into that orbit, that collaborative orbit that Kanye always does. And I just took advantage of it. You know, and I just, it was like surfing, you know, just we're gonna ride this wave and have fun. And I'm gonna learn not gonna get mad if he hates something. You know, I'm like, that's, that's fine. You know, I learn a lot like that. I love that. I love brutally people who are brutally honest. And he certainly is. So, but it was, it was crazy, man. It was a lot of fun. And then, you know, that early version of that profile that came out years ago, which is now like the first chapter of the book, that just opened up a lot of doors for me because that was only doing like true crime, like supernatural writing, history stuff. And then people saw that. And, and then like, you know, Tim and Charlie Kirk, when I was in Phoenix for that first Amp fest we were at, they were like,

1:18:53oh, you did the Kanye story. You should maybe meet Carrie Lake. So, like, it just kept opening up these doors of people, Carrie Lake. I did a Liza Blue, even though the whole world hated that. And everyone was mad at me. But like, I love that story. And it was the same type of situation. Someone who the internet hates. And now I'm writing about that. And Alex Jones. So it was like, there's a theme, you know, with all these people that they've been villainized for various ways. But it was, you know, interesting for me because I like writing about people, any people, you know, I used to do profile. I was a people who were just antique collectors. You know, I just think everyone's interesting. And I love talking to people. I love interviewing people. And so I was able to apply a lot of this like these writings skills I did early on as a freelancer about people who just just people out in the world that I love to profile and then just do the same thing. But, you know, for Kanye and Alex Jones. Yeah. It's amazing to me. I mean, I'm 48. And I didn't realize six, seven years ago that Kanye, because I just in terms of pop culture, I just didn't follow it.

1:19:59I hardly followed it. But it was like, wow, this guy's still big, big, big. And then all that stuff happened. It was like, oh, because I didn't know about the clothing line. I mean, I knew that, yeah, obviously, he married one of the Kardashians. But, yeah. But you know, he's going on a stadium tour. He's coming to Phoenix in November. Oh, it's right. And that shows crazy. My friends, I have a friend who has a son who's 15. That's I said, what kind of music do you like? First thing he said was Kanye West. I was like, my God. He like amazing. Like he's still, I mean, he's still connecting with the young people. And he can't be. He's probably a little bit older. I mean, I remember when Jay Z member when Jay Z brought him up. Oh, yeah. No, he hold you Shane. I'm 41. I'm 27 years younger than me. He's probably in his 50s now. He's a genius, dude. He's legit. My favorite artist. I, you know, I really think he is an innovator. And interesting. I don't love everything. You know, there's some albums I just couldn't do without. There's stuff I listen to now. I think it's just too explicit. It's just not for me, though. But I think he's brilliant. And I think he's changed fashion. I don't even like the fashion. You know, it's not for me. But,

1:21:01you know, I can see how he has changed it. In many way, he can wear a pair of sunglasses in 2008. No sunglasses are everywhere. All of a sudden, you know, it's insane. And on top of all that, he's just never been afraid to just speak his mind. And I really like that. You know, I grew up loving a lot of hardcore punk rock, you know, but also like Prince. I was gonna say, Prince, he reminds me of, I mean, Prince was Prince was Prince was a musical genius. Exactly. Exactly. Right. He loves Prince, you know, and it makes sense. He likes Michael Jackson to and Prince and Michael Jackson also talked about contracts. Also talked about a lot of the ways the industry, the music industry is like slavery. And when I was with, yeah, he was worried that something would happen to him. The same way things happened to Prince and Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson was killed by his doctor with propyl and that guy only did a few years in prison. And Prince was given fentanyl. No, like he thought he was taking a normal painkiller and it was fentanyl and they killed Prince with fentanyl.

1:22:02So that was very present on Kanye's mind when I was with him. And he said those things publicly as well. And unfortunately, after I was with him, it come to find out that he had been addicted to nitrous oxide, which is laughing gas. And there were things he was doing publicly after I had been with him that I did not agree with at all as a father, putting his kids on stage, wearing certain clothing, just a lot of things. I was like, ah, that's so different than what we had talked about when it comes to religion, when it comes to fatherhood. I was like, something's wrong. And I said that publicly. I tried saying it privately, but it went nowhere. And so I felt like, you know, I need to say something because it was very upsetting to me. And then we found out that he had this nitrous oxide problem. And I think there's a lawsuit against the dentist who was giving it to him, some like Hollywood dentist who had been giving it to a lot of different people. It's a thing that happens out there. And that's very damaging to someone's brain, which I think is why we didn't

1:23:03see much of Kanye for a while. I mean, some people think he's a clone. And I'm willing to hear those and I'll entertain those arguments. But when I see him performing now, I still see him because I see someone who's like mid song, mid song, that's like a huge hit. And he hears one little thing go wrong from the DJ and he'll orchestrate, you know, changes from the stage in front of 70,000 people. Like, out there he is. That's Kanye still. He's still got it. He's still in there. I think it just went away for a while because of the nitrous oxide. And I think it hurt his brain, which is extremely sad. But, you know, now I see him on top of literally the planet. That's what his stage is now. It's a planet in front of tens of thousands of people and he's killing it. And he's singing for three hours, two hours, three hours. It's a long concert. So he seems like he's doing better, which is great. And I want to see that show too. Honestly, it looks amazing. Are you surprised, or if you need to go Shane, I don't want to keep you up? But I got a few minutes, yeah. Are you

1:24:06surprised? Especially you were in the house with that interview with Milo and Fuentes. I mean, those two now seem to hate each other. Surprise that went the way the direction that it did. No, it made sense to me that they were all together because they're all very smart. They're all very good with language. And they're very effective. I've been a fan of Milo's for many years. I just think he's, I think it's hilarious. That dude's funny man. That dude is funny. Can I just interrupt you for a second? One of the first posts that really caught me because I'm newer to this. He put a picture up. Can't even say it's so laughing. He put a picture up in Natalie Brunel. And he said, good morning, because she knows she's big chested or whatever. And then he does a video with his buddies in the car. And they're like, you don't know Natalie Winters? Oh my God, she's my diva. She's my everything. And he does like the motorboat. It was so and she just tagged. I find retards. That's amazing. He's one of the funniest people I've ever met like Kanye and Nick. Like they were all really funny. But that relationship between Milo

1:25:12and Nick had already fallen apart by the time I got to LA. So in those few days that was already crumbling. So I also understand why I felt part. I don't know why. You know, I mean Milo says his part. Nick says his. You know, who knows what? Both those guys had been very good to me. I know Milo more. I've met him before I met Kanye and I had him over to the house. My wife is cook for him. We've, you know, Milo's hilarious. We've done writing sessions together where he like Kanye extremely brutal. He cares apart my writing. But it makes me better. You know, I like having constructive criticism. And he is one of the funniest people I've ever met. So no, I wasn't very surprised. They've all fell apart. It's a lot of, you know, really strong characters in one small space. But you know, then Nick will left and Milo came back. You know, and Kanye appreciates both of them. I think it appears that Kanye is so close with both of them. You know, so, you know, who knows? I've seen other people who hate each other come together. And I hope that for all these people.

1:26:14So I think they're all interesting. I don't agree. You know, those things that Nick says nowadays. And I'm like, nah, you know, because I, I'm into what Candace is doing. I think she should be questioning everything. Nick hates it. But they got personal vendettos, you know. So I understand where he's coming from. But I'm just, you know, I think I'm like, dude, go for it. If she's got questions, I think they're legitimate. I don't subscribe to any theory yet when it comes to Charlie. Other than that, the official narrative is just ridiculous. So I'm not going to buy into it. I feel the same way. So, you know, that's how I feel with all that stuff. But yeah, you know, and you can see Milo and Candace are friendly and Nick can't just hate each other. And it's all just a lot of drama. I just, I just, I know, just like, I like being friends with most people. You know, there are people who have been real bad to me. And I just ignore them. You know, I don't have to have been public vendettos with them. But Milo makes it an art form, you know. When I saw him get to port to them, like, dude, they're going to, they're going to get destroyed. Like he's going to take out ice somehow. Do you think he'll be back in the United States at some point? I do. Yeah, I do.

1:27:15I like, there's no stopping him. You know, honestly, I think he will be back. I wish he handled it. I wish he, whatever paperwork he should have done. I don't even know the full story. Like I haven't. He missed a hearing I thought from what I read. But in my first question with that was like, you can't let that, it man in your position, you just can't let that happen. You have to go to hearing. Honestly, like, come on, dude. But then I was also like a part of me also thought that Milo must love the pageantry of the way he was kicked out of the country. You know, like everyone talking about it. He probably didn't like the mug shot too much. But you know, he just, he just loves that everyone was talking about him leaving. Now he's, he did it to some interview recently. I was really good. I didn't see the full thing yet. But I'm, you know, I love hearing him talk about all this stuff. I think he's, I think he's brilliant. And, but he's also an artist when it comes to revenge. So it was the other thing I thought. I'm like, all these people dance on his grave, you know, his metaphorical grave, of course. I don't think they know what's coming. And he's been right a lot. He's been right a lot

1:28:19a lot. People call him crazy, you know. I like, you know, him and, in no entanglement, they've been demonized years ago for saying things that are commonplace now for anyone to say. So I just, like, I don't forget that. You know, so if there's things they say that make you uncomfortable today, just know the chances are pretty good that in five to 10 years, you'll be saying the same thing. Yeah, he is, to me, is, I mean, he's a godfather trolling. And, um, I wouldn't count that guy out. But you know, it's talented guy, man. Really talented on that mic, man. I mean, he's funny, uh, and he's another one, like, like a cat. He just, he just, you think he's knocked down and he just gets right back up. Dude, there, there's some of the smartest people I've ever met. I remember when I met Nick and Milo and Kanye right before they went up to do IRL. We were all, like, they called it the green room in the old IRL studio. And there was a bunch of people there. Someone had told a reporter that this was going to happen. So like, there was some random person there

1:29:23that none of us knew. And, uh, Nick's brain just works in such a way. They're like, and you imagine, like, at that point, like the world hated Nick, he had not been welcomed back into the fold at all, right? He was like a minus two, both sides of the political aisle. And so there's must have been thousands and thousands of hit pieces on him videos, whatever. He sees this reporter that none of us knew. And he just knew instantly, like, he, she wrote a bad piece about him sometime, like in the past few years and just called her out for it in a nice way in a very, in a gentle way. But like, I'm like, wow, everyone must be writing these bad things about him. He remembers everything. And it was interesting to watch his brain work that way while being respectful, you know, but also it was like respectful, trolling all together. And that was my first impression like seeing that happen. I was like, Oh, that's interesting. You know, I thought that was funny. And also like good on him. Um, but that's also how Milo works too. They don't forget. They remember everything. And, uh, you know, you're screwed. And the Fuentes Candace Owens, I mean, he,

1:30:28those two, I don't know, I don't know if it's genuinely if they don't like each other, but it's entertaining. It's very entertaining to watch. They work well together in an opposite way. It fits. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I know he did her show. It didn't go well, I guess. And he doesn't like it, but it is funny. You know, I, he's, he's hilarious. You know, there's a reason people listen to him as much as they do. It's because he's funny, but also, you know, he's good at deconstructing a lot of the stuff going on, even though like right now, like there's stuff, I'm just, he's saying that I'm like, I don't really agree with that, but I don't have to, you know, I like listening to lots of different people, uh, in their perspectives on things. And that helps me shape my perspective. So I don't have to like listen to people just because I agree with them, but he says a lot of stuff. I do agree with and, um, but the humor helps, you know, and all those guys have that in common. Uh, great use of language, but also, uh, authentically hilarious. Last thing I was going to, I wanted to ask you, uh, you ever thought about doing, uh,

1:31:29doing a story on Matan Evan? I haven't. Uh, he is interesting. That dude is funny, man. So he, he went on Julian Dory show. I had Julian Dory on my show, like the week before. And I haven't had a chance to talk to Julian since, but I started watching some of his videos on YouTube, Matan. Yep. That kid. I mean, I, his first introduction when he went on stage at the video game award show. Have you seen that? Oh, so that, like that, I think that's what got him started. He was 15. He bought, he lives in LA, bought a ticket to some video game award show. And these Asian guys, I don't know whether Korean Japanese, they went in a war. He goes up on stage with them, waits for them, all to speak. And then he gets on the mic as the camera's pulling away, like to go to commercial. And he starts talking about Rabbi Clinton and just goes on a rant for 15 seconds. So then I, I watched some of his YouTube. I mean, they are some of the stuff is hilarious. Like, he did an episode with me, Cummings, uh, George Santos. He's done a couple episodes with. And those two fit so well together. I can see that. I can see that. Yeah, he's, he's funny and

1:32:31interesting. I've seen a few of his clips. I haven't watched full episodes, but I like that character that he's, I believe it's a character. He's playing. You know, he seems, you know, I tend to like the, the type of uh, Andy Kaufman type characters. That's what I said about him right off the gate. It's funny. You saying that like, yeah, right? The Tony Clifton stuff. Exactly. Exactly. You never know like what's real. What's not. Um, and I enjoy that, you know, about that's what I said about Kanye too, to him. And Kanye was a fan is a fan of Andy Kaufman as well. Um, and I just, I've always been into that kind of thing. Andy Kaufman taught me about reality. You know, when I was younger watching him like, is this real? Is this not? Does it matter? Um, does the audience know? Does that matter? I just always been interested in that kind of comedy, you know. So when I see Matton, I'm like, Oh, yeah, that's interesting. He would be an interesting subject for sure. That's a good idea. Well, I often wonder with him. And because Andy Kaufman, my understanding, you might know this when he showed up as Tony Clifton on set of taxi, he never broke character to the fact to the

1:33:32put where they were throwing him off a lot because he was sawed a hand. And so I wonder with Matton. And I again, but me next time I talked to Julian, I'll ask him. Did he, was he out of character at all or was he in at the whole time he was there? Yeah, you know, I do know with Kaufman, he would sort of tell Letterman sometimes what he was going to do. So that might be a little bit of like a crack in the facade for, but I think he respected Letterman in a way he probably didn't respect the cast of taxi or just the whole situation. But Letterman has said that like, you know, sometimes Andy would come up to me and say I'm going to do this isn't that. But Letterman also Letterman loved Andy. He was just always so happy to have him on and let Andy just do whatever, you know, which I love. Meanwhile, there would be people who would try to do Andy Kaufman on Letterman and it wouldn't go over as well. I like it, but Letterman did like like Crispin Glover tried going on Letterman and doing his version of Andy Kaufman when he tried to kick Letterman in the face, walking Phoenix again, that is very Andy Kaufman what he did with the beard and he was being a rapper.

1:34:37And I don't think Letterman really knew at the time, maybe a little bit, but I don't think he knew that he was going to be like that. I like all of the performances interviews with everyone to call him, but no one can not do Andy. Andy was the greatest of them of them all, 100%. And I do look for that these days still and it's cool that you thought that about Mattan as well. I think that a lot of people are doing that kind of stuff and it's really hard to really hard to do and maintain that for hours. He's sitting there for hours on camera, being that character with that hair and he's quick and brutal. So I love that stuff. And his cat is a co-host, a co-host that's wearing a hijab and he looks like a terrorist that just doesn't say anything. You also wonder, that'd be a great story for you to do because I don't know if he'd come out of character, but if some of those people like Andy Kaufman, because you think about Andy Kaufman's evolution, Mighty Mouse, right, he'd go up there and read, was it a whole book of

1:35:37Shakespeare? You do that, he would do Elvis. Moby Dick. It wasn't a Moby Dick, he went on stage and just read Moby Dick. But then he goes into taxi and creates this iconic character. And then has Tony Clifton, the secondary character, and he evolves into wrestling where it starts with women and then the whole Jerry Lawler, which you find out after that thing was all completely staged. To the point when he had cancer, you didn't even know if you believed he actually died. I know. And that's how some people are. I'm on the fence about his death. You know, his brother has kind of played into it. I don't know if his brother believes in his theories, but he's definitely played into it. But I like that about him. You know, you become a crazy, strange legend when you do that throughout your life and your career with what's blurring that line between reality and fiction. And he was so good at it. But yeah, Tony Clifton's great. To where he can have other people playing, he had other guys doing Clifton. And some people didn't know. And it's just so genius. The Lawler stuff, man, I rewatched that a lot.

1:36:42Him and Lawler on Letterman. It's just some of the best TV ever. And that was Jim Carrey's best role in film. It's one of them. I like a lot of Carrey stuff, but that one was great. He got ripped off the Oscar for that. He should have got Oscar for that movie. Oh, yeah, totally. It was great. It was a great performance. And I know he loved he loved Kaufman. One of my favorite scenes, not from the movie, but later on, he was on, Carrey was on, on, on, on McDonald's old podcast. And they were talking about filming that movie. And Carrey said something like, you know, oh, yeah, didn't you come to visit the set that day? And Norm was like, yeah, I was in the movie, you know, and Carrey starts laughing because he was so deeply into the character of Kaufman that he just remembers like this, his, his, remember, Norm McDonald as, you know, someone on the movie was so good. Norm was also one of the greats too. Sometimes also going back and forth between what's real and

1:37:42what's not. I'm always drawn to that stuff. And nobody really, I mean, Borat, I mean, Sasha Baron Cohen was good. But not, not, not Andy Kaufman. I mean, not the way. I mean, Bruno, Borat was a great movie. I never saw all of Bruno. But I saw some of his interviews as Bruno when he was going Howard Stern and it was good. But nothing like to me, Andy Kauf, I don't, I don't know if anybody since then maybe, Mattanu'll be that guy. Yeah, maybe I'm trying to think who else it could be. But I really don't think there are any, you know, I think Andy was the greatest at it. That does not mean that there, someone else could definitely come by and do it. And Mattanu is doing a great job. But I think people know now, like even Mattanu, that's the character with Andy, you really didn't know. You know, people can go up and look the appearance. He did on Letterman where he shows up looking sick. He's wearing yellow pants. His nose is running and he stops mid-interview and just starts panhandling in the crowd,

1:38:44asking for money. And that you can tell the audience doesn't know if this is real or not. Letterman obviously knows like this guy's a genius. This is a bit. But it's great. You know, it's so good. And then also, you know, for those who are Andy Kaufman curious, go type into YouTube on Andy Kaufman talk show. For some reason, I think it was ABC or someone thought it would be a good idea to give him a special for a night. And so it's great. And, you know, he's doing his own version of Letterman where he has a desk he's sitting at and he has a guest. But his desk is like 10 feet high and his guest is way down low. And it's just the image of that is so brilliant. And he brings on his first guest as like his ex girlfriend. You don't even know if it's really his ex-girlfriend, but they obviously have rehearses to some degree. And so she's looking up at him. He's looking down at her. And then what starts off as like a quaint typical, you know, interview on a talk show, immediately devolves into drama and their history together. And it's just so brilliant, dude. It's so good. I love that. What happened to the show just didn't just didn't take off?

1:39:49I think it was just a one night thing. I think it was just like a special. They let him do. And then it was like a one off. And that was it. I don't think he could sustain doing anything like that every day. But I highly recommend that one. Dude, it's so freaking funny. It's so good. I'm so uncomfortable. I gotta go find it. What was the last thing I was gonna say with, you know, relation to that is, you know, when they portray this in the movie, he would go to the brothels and he was acting like all nervous. And the woman said, what are you talking about? Andy comes in here like once a week, but he comes in here as Tony Clifton. Saying so insane dude. I love it. Lesson peace. Maybe. Where can people find you Shane? They can find me at, so everywhere online like Instagram, Twitter at Shane Cashman. The book is at Shane Cashman.com. If you want to help support me, you can find me at ShaneCashman.substack.com. That's where I put up articles and paid members there can get access to Maya show with the great

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