Shift Your Energy, Change Your Dog’s Behavior with Caroline Griffith

0:00We have been supporting dogs with problems like dog to dog aggression for decades. You know, and what I find is that we can use lots of management techniques and we can relieve pain in the dog's body and we can work with their biochemistry like their microbiome. But actually if we're not working with the frequencies that are held within their body somatically, we're not really making any longevity of progress for the dog. You're listening to the Soul Touch by Dogs podcast. The show for dog lovers who see dogs not as toys or tools, but why souls worth our respect and care. I'm Anka Herman and I'm your host. Hello and welcome Caroline. I'm excited to have you here. Hi, yes, brilliant. Thank you. Well, let's dive right in. Where in this lovely world are you based and what's your business dogs? Well, I am on planet earth in Devon, North Devon. Yeah, most of the time grounded here.

1:07Sometimes up with the planetary guardians, most of the time grounded here to be fair. Yeah, I mean, I think for me, the work that I'm doing with dogs, you're bringing in the energies and frequencies and you're allowing shifts and transformations. So you kind of have to have this connection to source and to Christ consciousness and to galactic frequencies, but you also have to ground those down to the earth as well. So yeah, it's lovely in Devon and where I'm living, I'm near the sea, which is really important to me. So jealous. I've been to Devon. I've been like 10 years ago and there was a conference and so I spent a few days there and I literally thought I've lived in London for five years before moving to Spain and I thought if I ever went back to the UK, I go to Devon, magical place, something jealous. Yeah, yeah. So what's the business with dogs then?

2:12So I, well, to be honest, well, I do a few things, but they kind of merge in terms of energies and frequencies and mostly measurable frequencies like magnetism and sound and that kind of thing. I have always worked with dogs, so I will always call to work with dogs and to serve dogs and to share their messages of empowerment and to work with guardians. So I worked in a kennels for a long time and I studied canine nutrition and holistic therapies for dogs while I worked there for 20 or years. And then in 2012, when I left, I wrote a book which got given to a guy who worked at a large international pet food company and he took me on as their nutritionist and that put me into the pet food industry world around that date. So yeah, I then I have worked and still work in as a

3:16nutrition consultant. I now have co-founded the Association of Pet Nutrition Consultants, so I help other people and mentor other people to do this kind of role in a professional way. But I also have also, also, also have always kind of worked with this kind of energy way with dogs as well and I've seen dogs in a different way to how we would traditionally see them in the world of training and behaviour. And what I feel is that the way that I see them is like a different lens. Now it's not an opposing lens if you're practicing compassionate dog training techniques and you're understanding that dogs can feel and have emotions, then what I find with adding this lens into your work is that it expands how you can work with dogs and it gives you ways to understand behaviours that before may have been challenging. I mean, we have been working with supporting dogs with

4:17problems like canine aggression or dog-to-dog aggression for decades, you know, and what I find with when I add my lens into behaviour and training work is that it really gives the dog a way to release in a somatic trauma that is fueling what's going on for them, why they're having those behaviours. And so we can use lots of management techniques and we can relieve pain in the dogs body and we can work with their biochemistry like their microbiome, but actually if we're not working with the frequencies that are held within their body somatically, we're not really making any longevity of progress for the dog, so it's an additional tool really to add into this. So yeah, that's kind of what's linked. Well, what's linked to them for me, which has been so interesting is water. So I'm now obsessed with biophysics and obsessed with water and obsessed with light. And these are the two elemental factors of our world that link nutrition and behaviour.

5:22So there's lots of talk between nutrition and behaviour in terms of more biochemical reactions like magnesium governing the nervous system and be vitamins supporting the nervous system and microbiome changes affecting the dog's vagal nerve and their neuro pathways. And the different communication that's happening, so say like the dopamine in the serotonin is all predominantly governed by the microbiome. So there's lots of discussion around that now in the dog behaviour training world, but for me it goes beyond that as well. And when we can understand how light and magnetism are affecting the mitochondria of the dog cells, that's really where nutrition and behaviour are starting to be linked for me with water is so paramount. I mean, I don't know about you whether you've gone on the deep dive of water, but once you, once you start with water, you literally are swimming in it. You cannot believe you haven't seen this before. I have got so

6:27many different things that I'm now doing to structure my water to, in live in my water to bring back its vital life force flow. And really we need to be doing this for our dogs as well. For sure, I mean, that's fascinating because I always love it when people are educated in a bunch of different ways, right? Because it's always like, you know, if all you know is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, right? So now I was loved when people are really interested in a bunch of different things. So tell me a little bit more about that perspective of yours, that energetic perspective. Like how does that, how did you, you know, discover it, like how does it show up, like if I'm, it's like, okay, I wouldn't learn about that. Like where do I start? Well, it's called canine flow, what I do with that lens and that teaching, because it's about vital life force flow. So emotions really are a measurable flow of energy that's coming through us and we are then expressing them out. And this is the same with our dogs. And they're measurable

7:28with certain tech that like places like the Institute of Heart Math have and use in their studies. And they publish studies which actually show the measurable frequencies of emotions, for instance. So we know that our emotions are spilling out of us and we know that they're affecting how we feel and thus what we do. And really, the thought side of it and the brain side of it comes afterwards. When we second guess and we say, oh goodness, why did I do that? It's very uncommon, I think, for us to catch ourselves before we feel a desire to express an energy like if we see our friend and we haven't seen them for a while and we want to hug them, we're not thinking whether we should or not, we feel that in our body and it comes out of us as an emotion through our doing centre, our arms. And dogs have those feelings as well. So when they're on or for's, they don't have the same way to express those feelings as we do. So they tend to use

8:30their mouth more. Now we know the mouth is the seat of the limbic system anyway. So it is the seat of your emotions and it is one of the biggest expressions that we have for our emotions as well. But we do have access to our arms as well. So we tend to use those more. I mean a dog can dig that is an expression of something, what I call a charge, an emotional charge that has come up for the dog. So what we're encouraging the guardian to see is this flow of emotions, all the behaviour, all the trainer specialist, to see this flow of emotions in the dog and to see when a dog has what I call a somatic charge. So like a charge of energy that they are, that comes up for them so strongly that it has to come out in a rush or is being suppressed by lots of control. So even sometimes in compassionate dog training we can overcome and we can over limit the dog. And what I see

9:31happening is those emotions get stuck in the body and they manifest as something. They either become a charge of energy which rushes out at some given time either in a behaviour we want or behaviour we don't want for instance or they become an ailment. So they manifest as an ailment. So I'm encouraging all the time for us to understand that really primarily when we're dealing with behaviour in a dog, what we're dealing with is a rush of emotions, it's a charge of emotions, it's a flow of emotions. And this is why enrichment is so valuable because what it's really doing is nothing to do with the mind and nothing to do with thought processes, you are not mentally tiring your dog in the slightest. What you are doing is creating contentment in your dog. So you're giving the dog the chance to ground, to give out, to express and to use up their emotional charge. So they are then very content and grounded and less likely to show behaviours that involve the

10:37rush of charge. So there's no mentally tiring going on in the slightest. We have absolutely overdeveloped and become very reliant and almost revering of our mind and our intellect. And so we like to think that our dogs have or we like to see in our dogs this intelligence, my dog is so intelligent, but actually what they're here on this planet to show us is that that side of things whilst it does have some creative value, it isn't really how we need to relive our life. You know, they're here to show us, live from the heart, live from your emotions, embrace your emotions, feel those emotions, don't keep them stucking you, you know, and flow, live in the flow. And this is where we find abundance as well when we're living in the flow. So the dog has so much to teach us about coming away from our minds, getting back in our body and for us as

11:38human beings, that means we can unite the two and we become much more powerful, much more empowered, much safer, much more peaceful, everything. And as I said, the abundance happens too. So for me, dogs are by looking at our dog behaviour with this lens, we actually start to see more about ourselves as well. And this is really the message that the dog has for us, not only do their behaviours shift, but we start to see ourselves differently as well. So it becomes transformational for the guardian and the dog. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I mean, if I'm looking back at my thought, you know, in the last like 20, 21 years that I've had that dog, it's like, well, yeah, you know, it always feels like they've taught me way more than I have taught them. And it is that it does. It's called like, yeah, Ruth, this permission to go with the flow to, you know, to just let that come through. And you can

12:39see it. So if somebody actually does Kevin B-Han, he talked about. I love him. Yeah. Yeah, he was the first person when I first had Leo and, you know, my first two came pretty traumatised from the street. And, you know, and I didn't know whether that was normal dogbill, I was just like, how things were. I had nothing to compare it to. And I looked around and, you know, different approaches. And his work was the first kind of work that made sense to me. You know, and I remember him, like, he would always say, you know, emotion is energy in motion. Like, you know, just love it when you said that reminded me of what he was talking on it. And it was the first time that something actually made sense to me. And, you know, and got me through to, to, to the dogs. So it's very liberating. At sometimes just having that realisation that it's a flow of emotion, that behaviour is just a flow of emotion that's being expressed. That can be sometimes so liberating that the behaviour just changes in front of you. And people say to me,

13:44oh, it is not doing it anymore. And it's like, okay. Wow. Yeah. I think, I think it sometimes also, you know, what makes a behaviour a problem. I mean, you know, it's usually our interpretation of what it means. Right? A dog barking is not a problem. Right? So if I'm thinking like, oh my god, I'm annoying the neighbours. And you know, like, that's my thinking. Yeah. Yeah. So it is. Yeah. Yeah. Because you, you're, we all feel that kind of because actually what, and what water is teaching me is that visibility is important. So water is teaching me that visibility is really important. And we want to hide by nature. So if the dog is barking, it's drawing attention to ourselves. And it's actually our feeling of not wanting the visibility that pushes us to think the dog is doing something wrong. I mean, it depends obviously on the context of the barking, why it's happening like there could be plenty of other scenarios that you would want to look at differently, but

14:45in a wider scope. But generally speaking, it's that visibility in us that we don't want people looking at us. But actually, this is something that humans who become empowered, we become less worried about. So tell me a bit more about the water. Like, you know, what's, what's it teaching you and how could I use it or like, you know, make use of that to help me, you know, understand my dogs better. Well, a lady that I follow says it beautifully makes so much sense that water, water is essentially like consciousness. It is holding information all the time. And it has the potential to be structured and holding information that is can support our empowerment and us to be more aligned.

15:46It's almost like it's holding the frequencies of us as humanity. It's capable of doing that. And so what we want to be doing really is honoring the water. And I think her name's Vader Austin, the lady that I follow. And she uses the times the waters, because I think when we stop just calling it water and change it to the waters of the earth, we remember that everything is interconnected. You know, so what we pee in is still part of the waters of our entire planet. So we need to be structuring our water, appreciating our water, noticing our water. Water likes to be noticed. It doesn't want to be, or it reached, well, so I'll say and then I'll explain. So it's like it wants to be noticed. It doesn't want to be stuck somewhere. It doesn't come into its beautiful crystalline

16:50structures if it's stuck somewhere and it's not noticed. And so in this way, this is what it's also teaching about the visibility as well, is that we need to be comfortable with being visible and being who we are. And it's so, yeah, because we don't want to be ignored, but at the same time, we don't want to be visible. So generally speaking, stuck within this paradox. And the more we can lean to being comfortable with being visible and being comfortable with expressing ourselves, yeah, that helps our vital life, for sure. And it's all linked in with the abundance and the changes and the somatic trauma release within us as well. It just all happens in that way. So what I think the key thing to start with is looking to structuring your water. There's also a lovely lady called Gina Brea. She's got a great interview online about how our entire body is made up of water. And

17:55Vader talks about us being 99% water on a molecular level. And Gina Brea also talks about, she's a great organisation, a name that I love, which is the Hydration Foundation. I just think that's such a great name. That's a cool name. Yeah. And she talks about how our fascia is made of water and how that holds our somatic trauma because it's being held in the information of the water in ourselves. So we've often heard about trauma in the body or we even say to us, don't hold on to it, let it go. But we don't think deeply about how are we holding on to it. That's a thing I know also. How do you let it go if you don't know it's there? Exactly. If you don't bring awareness and visibility to it. So sometimes just bringing the awareness and visibility is enough to release it sometimes. It depends really what's going on. But this then inadvertently will affect your dog because they are part of your vital life force flow. They're part of your aura, they're part of your measurable

18:59magnetic resonance, you know, that holds your emotions. They're with you all the time. So you're feeding off each other all the time, um, in the end of one giant aura really. And and yeah, so essentially if you just say you went to a yoga class that morning and the poses that you did were allowing for somatic change or release. When you got back your dog would know your dog would feel the difference and that might be the one day that they then don't bark at next door's dog as they go past. And you may be don't even notice. But their behaviors start to shift because what's happening internally for you has shifted because we do just live in a soup of ether really. And these emotions that are flowing through it are all part of that water is part of that and it's holding those emotions. It's holding that structure and frequency. I would encourage everybody to look for a natural spring near where they live. So or at least be getting

20:05spring water in by in glass not plastic. It's one of the best things that you will do that you will spend your money on. Really, really it is. You know, our three pound fifty Starbucks are nothing compared to spending £1.70 on a nice bottled glass of water. It's a glass bottle of water. So yeah, we need we that's a key thing like really if you can try to find spring water. There are simple ways to restructure it. You can you can use lemon or cucumber. Again, if you get organic you're going to have a better structure because the water within those produce is going to be more crystalline. So that's going to have a better structure to it. Yeah, and then you're taking in this energy into your body and it will influence you in a positive way and it will influence the dog as well. I'm still that's fascinating. I mean because I'm

21:08actually still stuck on something that you said just a minute ago where like my first dog Leo, right, when he found him in the street, so there he was and he had massive separation anxiety when I first found him. So and I mean in hindsight now looking 20 years later, I was like, yeah, I probably had, you know, I can, you know, I wish obviously I wish. I knew then what I know now, but so he was struggling badly and you know, and I've always said it was I always thought it was mainly because I had such an irregular schedule, right? So I was working for myself, working from home, there'd be like days and days on end where we'd be together 27 and then I have to go somewhere where he couldn't come, you know, and then he'd be like, okay, but what you just said because I've always noticed I knew the moment he shifted from this extreme distress to oh, you're going out. Yeah, fine with me was when I started to go to yoga classes.

22:12And I always thought it was because all of a sudden, I would go somewhere on a regular basis and predictably come back at a predictable time. That's been my theory for the last 20 years until you just said this about yeah, we went to yoga class because you never came in with the dogs. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know. Literally just like, oh yeah, you know, because that's the thing, it was a very it was also a yoga class that was very like with a very strong spiritual base. So it wasn't just like we pushed through asanas and like get our exercise in. So it was all like a lot of meditation and a lot of like spiritual energy. It was always very much like a more sort of holistic kind of not a not a classical city yoga class kind of thing. Right. And so I never but it makes perfect sense because coming back from that, I would have been a totally different person, you know, and going there like twice a week on a regular

23:17basis. And literally that's when he started to be, you know, yeah, okay, I can handle you go out for a bit. So what separation anxieties and interesting one as well because what I've noticed energetically with separation anxiety is that it's about, it's not about you going out, it's about the dog finds it hard to connect with your energy and your frequency when you are there. So they're never quite emotionally grounded because really the strongest point of grounding for a dog is the guardian. So if they can't get to you because you've got subconscious stuff going on, you probably won't even know, but they won't be able to what I call get to you. They won't be able to fully immerse and fully ground on you. So they're in this constant state of subtle charge of emotion and they're looking where can I put this emotion where can I put this emotion and they want

24:21to give it to their guardian, they want to connect with the guardian. So then when you go out, even the hope of grounding on you is taken away. So then they are more likely to do behaviors that allow expression of that charge so that that subtle charge so it might be chewing things, it might be howling it, whatever the dog is doing when you're away. Or you put these expressions of its emotional charge because you're not there then to give the emotion to. Now when you shifted, not only did you shift some of your subconscious stuff, but what was happening is then on a daily basis or a moment to moment basis, your dog could ground on you. So that subtle charge wasn't being built up. So then when you went out, they didn't have an excessive charge to ground. Do you see what I mean? So with the responsibility for us, it's

25:21more about what happens when you are there than when you're not. It's different. Oh yeah, that was fascinating. A rigmarole of what you do before you leave. I mean, that's a management technique that can make a difference, but better to just get to the root of it really. So true, so true. And it may, I mean, it's just, I just happened to have an experience like that, it didn't even connect the dots until this very moment, it makes so much sense. And I've always said, like, you know, moving to a quieter place, you know, obviously has made the world of a difference for the dogs, but well, it has made the world a difference for me too. You know, like my life's a lot less like, you know, like pretty much stress for you now. And it wasn't at the time, you know, when that was happened, like I was, yeah, so there was lots going on with, yeah, it kind of, so that means so, if I hear you correctly, the best way to help my dog is like, for me to be somebody they can round into. Absolutely. Absolutely.

26:31That's empowering though. And this can shift so many behaviors, so many behaviors. People think it's too simple or they don't want to look at their own stuff, but to be honest, when we were in the can on flow, we don't go backwards, we don't go, oh my god, you know, how was this awful emotion got stuck in your body? You go, what's alive in me now and where do I want to be? Because otherwise we can get very stuck in the past. Whereas we have to find a way to allow that to flow. So I've had people come on my retreats before that they've gone home and they've picked up a guitar for the first time in years and they've gone, I feel so much better. It's like something just allowed them to feel they could express themselves and be in the flow. And it's when they shift then the dog start shifting. That makes sense. I mean, you know, you're in the UK, you're probably low about the trust technique. Oh yes, I do. Yes, I do. James. Yeah, yeah, right.

27:32And I remember that it was so funny. I would watch those videos. And next thing I know, the dogs are right next to me, passed out. Wow. Yeah. And it wasn't about, like I was, and literally there was nothing on the screen other than literally, like it was the, remember, it happened like a very extreme at this very, like the very first video, which was literally just a meditation exercise. Yeah, it's like stay at the time camp. Like it was literally just bring you back into the present moment. That's all it was, right? And then my office was, that's where I would watch these videos. And it was really almost like the, the, the peaceful heaven and the house, you know, and my, and the second dog was like totally frightened of fireworks. Next thing I know I was on a Zoom call and I, I kind of felt the thunder and I'm like, oh, I'm going to have a frantic dog all over me in a second. And I turned around and he was laying on the couch, like, well, fascinating, you know, and that's

28:36the thing. And I did not say a word to the dog. There was nothing done with the dog to the dog. It was me being in that, you know, and I had been in a more regular basis, like in that office space, there seemed to be like really like a calm energy in that space where he could relax through through a thunderstorm. So I've experienced it like without sort of fully putting, you know, collecting the dots. Yeah, yeah, they have the biggest heart per body mass of any creature. So they have the most measurable emotion. And they can sense the most on an electromagnetic level. So we also need to be turning Wi-Fi off as often as possible because they are really going to be affecting our dogs. Or getting mitigation in the house to help them. So there's various different devices and tools and things you can get now that mitigate Wi-Fi. But I would certainly be turning that off at night for sure. Or at a time if you weren't nights, you can turn it off in the day.

29:38So tell me about those retreats. You just dropped in like you know, retreats like coming out of the house. Yeah, I mean, they're secondary really. They are an opportunity to put into practice and be around people who understand Kenna float. So what happens? Kenna flow is the teaching. This is the life-transformation or aspect of what I do. I mean, don't get me wrong. The food and the nutrition is pretty damn amazing. But yeah, I mean, the Kenna flow stuff is to learn the Kenna flow techniques and theories, and mythologies, and ways of being with dogs is key. And then once you have those as an understanding, there are retreats and an opportunity to go with other people that have done the same course and to put things into practice and discuss it and you know, really, really ground that into your life on a practical level. So at times there have been people that just thought, oh, retreat sounds great and they just wanted to

30:40work on with their dog, but that's never worked because if you don't understand the principles and it's like you're turning off at the retreat and you don't really know what you're not, you know, I'm explaining myself. It's a completely different scenario. And you don't need me in Kenna float, go on a retreat with your dog, you can this day and age everywhere's dog friendly, you know, you just find somewhere to go. So yeah, there are about putting into practice the techniques you've learned from the Kenna flow course. Okay, well then let's talk about that. Like just tell me a little bit like where that is and what people, you know, like the course itself is online. So yeah, and you can join it any time and there's like little quizzes within it as well to help you understand the information and you get to chat to me by email as well. So yeah, it's a lovely online course and then when we have a lot of like new people that want to come to this, then I do like retreats

31:40or retreat weekends or, you know, in-person stuff that we then bring our dogs to and the dogs are amazing. You know, the dogs are totally there. They totally get the whole frequency and energy based stuff and it's sometimes the guardians that have to settle more. So you usually find like day one, day two the dogs are getting to know each other and the guardians are getting to know each other and then for the rest of the retreat is just brilliant. You know, we've never had any issues on the retreat at all, you know, it's even if people come and they think all my dogs are not going to get on with the other dogs, they always do. It's some completely different energy at these. Yeah, so much to learn from them, right? So yeah, I can't wait to check out Canine Flow now. So I was like, this is so, you know, yeah, that's just fascinating. Do you have what dogs do you live with? Well, I have two, like these are my fours, the two boys have a cross, so they've been,

32:45you know, put anchor mixes. I'm in Spain and these two down the bottom here is what I have now. This one is, you know, the closest, well, we don't really know, like, again, found on the street, so the closest is like a Dutch shepherd, you know, so, and probably mixed with something who knows, you know, like the most gentle soul, and she's just kind of there looking, trying and like, I want out. And then this is a Spanish, this one is a Spanish master, like, you know, working line, so we're in Spain, everybody goes, oh, you can't have those as pets, and she's the most loving soul you've ever meet, you know, like a super gentle 60 kilo goofball. Wow, beautiful. Do you know, one of the years ago, one of the initial practitioners of Cano and Flow, she had a Portuguese master that she'd rescued, she'd seen the dog at the end of the drive on her chain or whatever, and she was living out there. I think she might have been in Spain though, but she ended up the dog

33:46came back to the UK and he was dog to dog aggressive at first. I mean, that had, you know, there how much charge it built up in him over the years is crazy with no ability to express himself, and no, nothing to do really at all. So anyway, she, she worked with various initial methods and then found Cano Flow, and it was just completely transformed. I mean, he used to come on the retreats, that dog, he was just absolutely brilliant. Yeah, and it wasn't until she really found a way to release that and to understand and to be able to see, because I teach people to be able to see the charge in the dog and see the flow and understand it, because we just misunderstand so much, otherwise. And I think it's doing them a bit of a disservice not to really understand what's really going on for them, and it would be lovely if people saw them this way, because I think right from, I mean, I'm totally for rescue dogs, but I really am. I mean, mine's from the dog meat

34:48rescue from the dog meat trade, but if people have a puppy, so often you meet them and the puppy's sort of 11, 12 months, and then don't, and they don't let the dog off the lead, because what has happened is they haven't even known that the dog can accumulate charge, so that let alone how to see it. So if you can learn to see charge in a puppy, you can see when it's okay to let them off or not, and if you let them off when they're full of charge, they're just not going to come back as easily, and then they play with as a dog that doesn't come back, when actually they were just a dog who had a serious amount of emotional charge that day and needed to ground it, but because we don't see them like that, that I think it's restrictive and limited to these dogs, and I feel a bit like, wow, we really need to be seen these dogs and understanding what's going on for them. Seems we're always fixing the wrong end, right? So there's always that last bit of behavior that

35:49gets expressed, that gets fixed and suppressed, and I remember, especially with Wikai, he would be, you know, and I didn't realize until, until there was, I noticed him like really restless all through the night, you know, up and down, he couldn't settle, right? And I'm wondering, I don't know what's going on, and I wake up in the morning, turn on the news, and there'd been an earthquake about two or three on the scale, like about five, six hundred kilometers away. Wow, yes, and I'm like, oh, if he can sense that, like this was literally, I kind of never looked at him the same again, because I knew he was sensitive, but like that showed the extent of it, you know, and I'm thinking where we were living, sort of in the historic part of Granada, and it was like hustle bustle and this and that and everything like closed, and I make that dog lives in like urban, it, information overload, you know, and we literally moved away into like a quiet space,

36:54and that dog turned around, and he was such a lead puller, right? And I looked initially like, okay, well, okay, how do you stop dog from pulling the leash there? I was googling like everyone else, and all the tricks, nothing worked, like nothing ever worked, you know, and I'm like, it makes sense, like he's so like, you could literally see the charge, but I didn't know what to do about it, but when we were in a quiet, in a calm environment, that was a whole different dog, you know, like, like when like where we're living now, you know, and but yeah, and he's fortunate he had a few years here in a quiet space, and so a whole different dog, you know, friendly with other dogs, walking without, you know, no pulling, no drama, no nothing, you know, like totally different dogs, so, but it wasn't until I saw, I saw the extreme of it, that I could actually realize, like, how much charge was building up, just with an ordinary day where we were living, you know. Yes, and the irony is people talk of dominance, the dog wants to be in charge, and this is a

37:56Kevin saying, but the dog is not trying to be in charge, they have a charge, and that's where we need the mindset change. Yeah, I'm not bad. Oh God, like this is so good. I'm just like, yeah, we were talking before, and you were sort of saying, oh, I don't think we'll have enough time, and I don't think so either. I think we should have a whole lot on the floor. Yeah, I would love to, I would love to. Yeah, let's, let's chat that. So before we go, let people know where to find you, where to find more about, more about Canine Flow and Connection. Yes, absolutely. Well, it's Canine Flow.com. It's really simple. So yeah, sign up to do the course. It's 333 pounds, and it's, yeah, terrific. And you will absolutely love it. It will transform what you're doing with your dog, how you see your dog, how you understand your dog. It will start to bring flow and abundance into your lives as well. But it also gives you tools. If you want to then consider seeing dogs with this

38:59lens, when you go to work with them as a behaviourist or a trainer as well, it gives you more tools in your toolbox to support them. So yeah, it's a lovely course. And then you're part of the community, then, if you're doing the course. And then you will have access to information about our weekend retreats as well. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much. This was absolutely an in-life thing. Like, I'm like, you were like, when you watch a video, it's like, I'm sitting here like having these insights, like literally blowing my mind while we're talking. So thank you so much. Oh, thank you. Yeah, oh, I'm glad. I'm so glad that we came on because it was all a bit random, wasn't it? It was like, oh, you just found me in trouble. Wow. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening. If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe and leave a review so other dog lovers can find the show. Head over to soultouchbydogs.com and sign up for the weekly retreat tips, recommendations and personal stories to warm your dog loving heart.

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