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Patrick Bet-David sits down with Terrence Howard to discuss Hollywood power and celebrity elites, Disney lawsuits and industry blacklisting, pornography addiction and the masculinity crisis, Bitcoin and the future of cryptocurrency, the U.S. economy and inflation, faith and biblical teachings like “empty the storehouse,” and why he believes the entertainment industry operates like a tribe that controls fame, power, and influence.
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Denzel, he told me, look, it's your hands, man, you're always like this.
All these producers want to do is they're trying to open your hand
and so they can put money in it, but you won't do it.
You're in Hollywood. It's a hook-up culture.
I've dated them, but I never slept with anybody else.
You never slept with anybody, man.
No, but...
Karen's activist.
A healthy male still produce about 1500 sperm per heartbeat,
so that desire to empty the storehouse is always there.
The lines you use, I love it.
I'd love to empty my storehouse with you today.
You imagine it.
How different is it raising boys versus girls?
Girls are the hardest, because men have game.
I watch my daughters now, and I'm scared to death because of the karma,
because I know the things that I did to women,
so I have to make sure none of this stuff is around and mind you.
I didn't masturbate until I was 25 years old.
I had them remove the television out of the room of the hotel,
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I couldn't stop, I kept watching it.
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Thank you so much.
We're doing this again. How you doing?
I'm really good, brother.
It's great. Very good.
You know, it's funny.
I was running my daughter had a recital today.
She had a dance.
She was a tiny dancer today.
So I go in and a wife says, babe, it's only 15 minutes.
I go in 815.
And then the tiny dancer part is all the way at the end.
But oh, my God, you know, when you're there,
you're kind of going like this.
You're trying to get your kids to see you.
And then she finally sees me.
She runs up and I'm driving down your school
as a couple of minutes away from here.
And I know you always talk about being a father.
And it's typically, you know,
last time we did the conversation,
we didn't talk about this at all.
It was a complete different conversation.
We had a scientist from NASA with us,
which was a great combo.
How important is it to you to be a father?
The hardest thing about being a dad
is not being a hypocrite.
Not being a phony, you know.
You're trying, I realize I'm talking to my son
about things that he's watching.
But at the same time, I'm hearing that for myself
about things I shouldn't be watching.
You know, I'm telling him to maintain
his majestic comportment all the time
or telling both of them, you know.
Rule number five, six and seven,
respect yourself, respect others,
respect people's privacy.
And then rule number four in our family
is don't be obnoxious.
But then I go to Disney World, Disneyland,
and I'm sitting there,
and I get triggered immediately
because they want to grab my bags
and they're going through my bags aggressively
and putting my stuff.
Rule number four.
Rule number four, and I get obnoxious and, you know,
and throw attitude.
And I'm like, I wouldn't want my child to do that.
That's not what you're talking about.
Yeah, they caught me out about it.
Not the kids didn't call me out,
but the people that they almost threw us out of Disneyland.
You know, only I didn't curse or anything like that.
But I was, I was, I was speaking about shit.
They take the bag when you come in
because someone's recently got stabbed at Disneyland.
And so this is in our life.
So they're going through your bags literally
like it's a serious search.
And, you know, measles is out right now.
So at the time I'm sitting there like,
wait a minute, you're taking the rags that I,
that I'm going to blow my kids nose
with and you're putting it on the same counter
that you put everybody's bags.
I'd like, don't do that.
Don't, he was like, don't give me attitude.
And I was like, everybody's got attitude.
He told you don't give me.
Yeah, and I'm like, I'm, and instead of taking a deep breath,
like I do, I'm doing.
Did he know in the world or not?
Did he write?
No, he didn't know, okay.
But instead of taking a deep breath,
you know, and thinking about, maybe he's having a hard day.
I took it personally.
I got triggered.
And then I'm like talking to everybody out in the world
about maintaining and majestic comportment,
being calm, ABC always be cool, always become,
always be comfortable with the consequences of your choices.
And here my family almost lost the opportunity to be there
because I lost my cool.
So I hate being a hypocrite as a father.
You know, I hate not having the compassion
to show the better side of me.
So that's the hardest thing.
What are the rules?
What are the rules?
Oh, so there's nine rules.
I've got it.
Rule number one, put on your shoes,
which means take care of your foundation.
Make sure you're in a secure place.
Rule number two, stay out of the, find the shade.
It's find the shade.
What does that mean?
Well, in Southern California, it's a lot of heat.
So stay out of the heat, but figuratively,
it means find cover.
So later on when my children are older,
I'll be able to say number two.
And they'll notify in the shade.
They'll know to get out of the way of danger.
Number three, stay out of the streets.
And that, that, that tells itself.
But number four is don't be obnoxious.
Number five is respect yourself.
Number six, respect others.
Number seven, respect to people's privacy.
Number eight, no heat shots.
Yeah, if you're going to punch your brother,
punch him in the chest, punch him in the leg.
Literally, that's one of the things.
Yeah, no punch.
No, no punch above the neck.
No punch in the closet.
No heat shots.
My boys have broken down one few times.
And number nine is make way for life.
You know, respect all living things.
And I follow that one for the most part a lot.
But, you know, I sometimes disrespect myself.
I sometimes don't respect people's privacy.
You know, so I try my heart is not to get caught up
and gossip about somebody else all the time.
So I'm learning these are my own rules
that I can live by them, my children.
You know, what, what, what was it?
Because growing up, how many siblings was it?
Was it you and your two brothers?
There's 11 of us.
There's 11 of you.
Okay, so I know there's a, I know a couple of the names
that I looked up.
So 11 total.
11 same mom and dad.
No, only four of us from the same mom and dad.
Four same mom and dad.
Okay, what experiences as a kid growing up
changed the way you said,
I'm not going to parent like this.
I'm going to be a father like this or
I'm going to be a father just like I was fathered.
What, what experiences impact did your parenting?
Well, my father, I mean, I was incredible.
I was, you, I was, you couldn't,
I was indomitable as a child.
So you tell me to do something.
I'm going to, I'm going to do it just because
you told me not to do it.
You know, you don't have authority over me.
So I got whooped every day by my father.
So I told myself when I have my children,
I'm not going to whoop them.
I'm not going to use corporate punishment on them.
I'm not going to do any of that.
But that's not what I ended up doing
because you start talking to them
a thousand times and they don't listen.
And then immediately you go back to the slave days
and you're like, well, let me go get the whip.
Let me go get the belt.
Let me do all of this other stuff you're not supposed to do.
But you find yourself still back into those places
and you have to catch yourself,
especially with the laws that's out here today.
So now, um, because I got the benefit,
I had the benefit of, you know, doing some discipline before.
Now if I'm walking upstairs to get the belt,
then they straighten themselves out.
And I don't have to actually apply the belt.
But it's hard.
How do you raise young boys, you know,
that are indomitable to respect authority
and respect themselves.
And, you know, it's, it's a, it's a tight balance.
How difference is it, you know,
raising boys versus girls?
What's been girls are the hardest because they're a little more
manipulative, they're smarter.
You know, the child inside the womb,
the moment that the woman's belly
recognizes the little girl
about three months of gestation.
It floods it with estrogen.
And so it causes these connections
between the left and the right hemisphere,
almost three to five times the connections
from what I've read that men have,
you know, men have this myopic thing, you know,
see this go and do it.
But girls contemplate everything.
So the girls are so much smarter, naturally,
than the men, and they learn how to manipulate.
You know, they learn to cry,
they learn the smiles, they learn all of that.
And then they're gullible because they think
they mastered men by mastering
manipulation, daddy, and they go out
and they try and do that into the world.
So letting my two older daughters go,
I watch my daughters now and I'm
scared to death because of the karma
because I know the things that I did to women
when I was growing up,
stuff I wouldn't want somebody doing to my daughter.
That's just the reality.
We are, you know, like me and my wife we talking,
she's like, I would love to make love.
I would love to make love.
I said, nobody's going to be sitting there
talking about you are so beautiful singing that
while they're making love.
I said, it's more of an aggressive act in some way.
And maybe it's the things that I've watched,
but you singing while making love.
Yeah, you know, I'm just trying to vision.
You know, man, you think some of these R&B guys
could put a lot of like heavy camel or teats wet or something.
But nobody's doing that.
That's impossible to be able to do it.
You know what?
I'm going to talk to my wife.
I'm going to try it this weekend.
I tried it.
What a task.
I try it.
I mean, your voice is going to crack though.
Yes, it's, I mean, but I mean,
figuratively, the singing, the, the,
Rob, what do you think?
Are you thinking about it?
Look, is this a challenge for you as well?
Can you sing?
No, but it's not the singing.
It's not the singing, but it's the, you know,
it's the foreplay.
And that's something that I have to learn to do.
You, the foreplay is the love making.
Right.
You know, but then when you get to the,
the penetration that's, that's a different kind of act.
That's, you know, that's a test.
Posterous and beautiful intense.
Yeah, there's no key sweat playing in the back of your head.
There's none of that.
No, no, no, no, no.
Joe Cochran.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Rubbing it in.
You know, so it's that balance.
Men have this expectation because we've watched,
I've watched a bunch of porn growing up.
So I had an unnaturally
expectation of what should have taken place inside of,
inside of love making.
So I've had to learn or trying to learn, you know,
how to make love in a, in a honest way,
in a, in a loving, honest way,
in a loving way.
Not in some saying,
you openly talk about that with your girls?
I had to.
I had to talk to my girls about,
do you know how many women I've had encounters with
that if I bumped into them today,
I wouldn't know their name.
I wouldn't know their face.
I was like, do you want to be like that for somebody?
Because men have game, you know?
And I hope that that's enough.
But karma, karma doesn't allow that.
My daughter's probably end up having
an deal with the same thing that I did to women, you know?
So the karma, yes it does.
But it actually sobers you, you know?
Wow.
And, you know, the other day we went to one of our friends,
his daughter, which is kind of like my niece,
we're together all the time,
she's got a first boyfriend.
So she's in college, he flies in with her
and they bring over to our house and we're having dinner
and we're playing a game and I'm watching them.
I'm like, this guy is nice because the dad
is a little bit of a brilliant guy, very technical.
He has a sight on him that he could be an asshole
and he was too soft like he can be pushed around.
You sit there and think about like, you know,
daughters typically date their fathers,
you know, they're a man like the mothers.
Is that what scares you?
Like they can't thank you?
Yes.
And I know how manipulative I was.
You know, my uncles were pimps.
So I had a different understanding
of how you dealt with women.
Now that was the pimp that I played in hustle and flow.
Too natural.
Too natural.
You have to learn not to.
You don't, I've got this rule like when Satan
asked Jesus to turn stone into bread to feed himself.
I took from that, you do not turn stone into bread
to feed yourself.
You don't take a gift that's been given to you, you know,
for selfish purposes.
So if I had the proverbial gift of gab,
it wasn't to be used to talk somebody into a threesome.
Something I wouldn't want somebody talking
my daughter's into.
But I've done that, you know, in the growing up stages.
And that is something that it hits you.
Constantly comes back.
Constantly comes back.
And that's the hardship of raising daughters
over raising sons.
You know, but nowadays you have to worry about,
you know, sons being overly aggressive and getting killed,
you know, because the men in my family are very aggressive,
you know, and dealing with authority.
So girls scare me though the most.
How, how is it for you when you're with your wife
and you're out at them?
Maybe this has happened.
Maybe it hasn't happened where a woman approaches you.
And it's from back in the days of relationship.
Has that ever happened to you?
Only we've only bumped into one girl that I've dated
from the past.
I mean, you don't get out much.
No, we don't.
I don't go out.
You don't risk it.
And the girls I dated, I never dated anybody
in the business.
I really know because I mean, I've gone.
Yes, I went, I've dated them,
but I never slept with anybody.
And so I never slept with anybody.
No one's out to business.
Never.
No, nobody had dated.
Wow.
Campbell, I've gone out with, I'm not even running a list,
but I've gone out with a lot of girls.
I've slept in the same bit with them,
but I would not, you know, I don't know why.
I wouldn't attack them.
I wouldn't do that.
That was, so you're in the business.
You're in Hollywood.
It's a business where you see everybody is, you know,
for the most part, you see, they hook up.
It's a hook up culture.
It's your shoot and move.
You're gone for 30 days.
You know, you, I think it was a, uh, uh,
Bert Reynolds.
Who was it that wrote a book, uh, Jolene Jolene?
Who, who, who's, uh, the singer of Jolene?
What's her name, uh, um, Dali, Dali Parton writes,
I think in a book, she says, we're doing a movie.
You could fact check this, but I read this idea
in their book or somewhere.
Her and Bert Reynolds are doing a movie
and they had never been together before.
And she just says, listen, let's get a knock that it away.
So we don't even think about it.
And I'm, boom, they go hand out their business
and then they do the movie.
It could have been her or, uh, yeah, more somebody.
But for you to say nobody ever, it's not like
you didn't have the chances.
You're a good-looking guy.
I dated a lot of girls.
I dated a lot of them, but at the time still,
I was battling between being a Jehovah's Witness
for trying to study as a Jehovah's Witness.
And, but there has to, there's a feeling
of you know what is your prey.
You know, you know, who has that interaction with you
and the girls are beautiful.
No fantasy of wanting to be a Hollywood couple.
Like what if her and I you never thought about it that way?
No, that was never on the table for me.
I was, I was, I was, I was, I would be on say,
you see these couples where it's like you had a chance
to date Beyonce, you know, early on.
And, um, we had a conversation, you know,
and I ended up talking to the other girl inside of, you know,
Destiny, um, the girl with the blue eyes.
And I remember Beyonce looking over at me.
And I think that's why she picked me to do that dance
when she did these, the, you know,
the kind of strip tease dance that we did at B-T's or whatever.
To show me what I'd lost, what I, but I had, I was attracted.
There was a moment in which I felt something there with Beyonce.
Yeah, but that was long before she was with Jay-Z.
That was very, very long ago.
I mean, that was, they were big back then when they were coming up.
They were very big when they were coming up.
Destiny's child.
Destiny's child, yeah, that's what it was.
Beyonce, yes, I, I'm, uh, I'm actually very surprised
that that's not something you ever did.
So it was always gross.
So how did you protect yourself as a guy that's in movies,
your famous, your celebrity, girls are throwing themselves at you.
How do you protect yourself from not getting in trouble?
The way a lot of the other guys got in trouble.
Well, you don't, you don't crap where you eat at the same time.
I knew that that all of those things come back
and the people inside the business, how many of them were hooking up.
I didn't want to get involved with that.
I didn't want somebody.
Was a girl ever surprised when you said no to her?
Yeah, somebody, a few girls was like,
don't, one girl was like, uh, don't you want to know
what it's like to be inside of me?
And I said, I said, I'm already inside of you.
You know, we're already communicating.
You know, I'm already there with you.
But it wasn't the, we didn't have that passion.
The passion wasn't there.
When I met my wife, the entire world came together
and, you know, I understood eternity from meeting her.
I didn't feel that with the other women, you know?
So I had girls that I would hang out with, you know,
everybody has, have, when you're growing up, you got some.
And today I sit back and I think that's somebody's,
that's somebody's mother now.
That's somebody's grandmother now.
You know, the stuff I was asking them to do.
I mean, that's the regret.
That's the regret.
You just, you know, but you deal with it.
Yeah, you know, does it at all bother you
when he talks about this stuff or no?
Not at all.
I'm amazed by that.
Okay.
Today, they hit on him with you there.
How do you react to it?
How do you handle it?
How do you handle it?
I mean, I handle it with grace and a smile, you know?
I'm glad.
I like you guys trying to talk to her.
I mean, you have a beautiful wife.
So it's not like, you know, both of you guys are,
and we're not even married.
We got divorced 12 years ago.
Tell me last time, but it's pretty much,
but you guys are together.
This is my one.
Yeah, this is my one.
So it's not the main squeeze.
It is the only squeeze.
It's the only squeeze.
Okay, that's good.
It's the only squeeze because we're starting to look
like each other.
You know, she's actually become more me.
That is so funny.
You know, you see couples, you see people with their dogs.
You know, that's the law for sure.
You look like the person that you are with.
You behave like the person you're with.
So she's changed me a lot, but you know,
guys come up and try and flirt with her at other times
and she's so kind about it.
She's like, wow, you're handsome,
but not in this lifetime.
Maybe the next one.
Maybe the next one.
She'll say that.
Yeah, maybe the next one.
Not in this lifetime, maybe in the next one.
Yeah, and it's a nice way of, you know, being flattered
and also being let down gently.
So marriage and parenting, both questions.
You know, when I'm building my national business,
I was building an insurance agency,
so I was on the road for six months at a year,
going all those other places you're on the road all the time.
When you do movies, I'm assuming I don't know the life.
I'm assuming you're on the road making movies,
you know, how do you manage that and parent
and relationship marriage?
How do you manage those?
It's got to be super difficult.
Well, the hardest thing is when you take your family
on the road with you, you're not able
to completely commit to the character.
You're trying to, but you come home
and then you have to be husband.
You have to be father.
You have to be all of those things.
But when you don't have your family there,
you're kind of open to the wind.
You know, everybody wants to hang out with you.
So I've had to, my wife will let me go to the job
the first few days by myself so I can lock in.
Maybe a week.
But then after that she comes, you know,
but she gives me a lot of space and sometimes she'll give me
a separate place, you know, because they'll provide a house
for me for the fat and they'll provide housing for me.
But then she will get a separate place
where the kids are and sometimes will let me be over there.
If I've got to go and do the work I need to do.
But that's the only way I found that after two weeks apart,
we change our chemistry, you know, where we used to be like,
oh, yeah, I'm so in love.
I'm so locked in.
I'm so, so everything.
But as males, we still produce a healthy male,
still produce about 1500 sperm per heartbeat.
So that desire to, that need to, to share
and empty the storehouse is always there.
And after two weeks that can become a problem.
The lines you use, I love it.
Alex, and I'd love to empty my storehouse with you today.
You imagine.
I have the delivery to make.
How do you manage?
It is a real thing.
I mean, if you're a man, it's a real thing.
My guys would ask me, Pat, how do you manage to, you know,
when you have to empty the storehouse, how did you do it?
You can either take the route of self abuse
where you end up despising yourself afterwards, you know,
or you can, all right, I got to go work out, you know,
or I need my wife to be here.
So you go home, you know, I'm quick to fly back home.
And but most of the time, you know, my wand stays with me,
you know, and it's not like we get to play every day,
you know, you get older and you just,
if it happens once a week, but now we spend so much more time
communicating, you know, just touching her leg
on my leg at night is what will help me go to sleep.
You know, maybe at 57, this is just what happens, you know,
but it's a good thing now.
How do you deal with your mortality?
Does it mess with you?
Are you accepting it?
Are you cool?
You know, we just are recently, is it James van der Beek
that we lost from Dawson's Creek
and he made a video about getting closer to God after you saw.
Eric Dane, Robert DeVol, yeah.
And I saw a video of Robert DeVol back in the days
of him doing an interview about Godfather and Marlon Brando
and how opinionated he was about the role,
but how do you deal with your mortality?
I recognize that there's no such thing as death
because the energy, you know, the wave crests up
and then it drops into a trough
and then it reforms up again,
but even when it drops in a trough, it's still there,
but it's just an unseen part of it, you know,
there's no real death, everything that comes from us
ends up still feeding the next thing
and all living things feed off of living things.
So it's a transitional process
and like when I met my wife, it felt like her and I,
I had been looking for her for a thousand lifetimes
and didn't know that I had been looking for her.
I felt eternity at that moment and knowing that,
okay, yeah, this is starting to crack,
the seams are starting to be seen in this.
It means that in a minute I get to relax again,
I get to go back to sleep and then when I'm reborn
and you know my philosophy is everything goes from positive
to negative breathing in and breathing out.
So the next lifetime I believe you end up as a male,
you know, the older we get, what happens?
Our testosterone drops, our estrogen levels rise,
our prostate, which has the same fibers or tissue
that the uterus has, it begins to swell
and like women that typically go through their period
and all of that, our bodies when we lose our testosterone
is slowly becoming more effeminate naturally, you know,
we get older and we got to try not to grow boobs as men,
you know, we get softer and all that.
So I think in the next lifetime you don't breathe in twice
without breathing out once or you go from masculine to feminine.
So you think next lifetime you're gonna be a woman?
You have to go into the feminine.
You really believe that. Oh my goodness.
That's the only way there would be equanimity.
Otherwise, you know, you can't breathe in twice
or three times without breathing out once.
You have to, it has to be the ab and flow.
The cloud moves forward a little bit,
then the cloud takes a step back
and then it pushes too forward and then it takes a step back.
So that equanimity I think allows for karma to take place
because what we've done in this lifetime as males
will be done to us in the next lifetime as females.
And sooner or later you learn how to be extra medium
and stay right in the center and not do too much.
You really believe this, honestly.
When did you come to this conclusion?
Maybe about 10 years ago, 10 years ago.
Just looking. What prompted it, what?
Just looking at the conversion of electricity
and to magnetism, electricity does the same thing.
It's always seeking that higher pressure condition
and when it gets to the very center,
like it comes in through the North Pole and through the South Pole
and when it gets to the center of the Earth
and has no place left to go and it keeps still trying to spin right
and there's no room for it.
So it's forced to spin to the left
and it comes out as radiation, as magnetism at the equator.
That's just the natural process.
And if elements do the same thing,
they start off lithium as a plus one
and you get into the next octave
at the very end of it, it's made as fluorine on this side,
plus one in a minus one and you go into the next octave,
the fluorine, which was the mate for lithium now
and the next octave, that fluorine becomes sodium.
It goes masculine.
And then that sodium bonds with chlorine
and in the next octave, the chlorine becomes potassium.
So it's going from male to female
and if as above, so below and if A is equal to B
and B is equal to C, then A is equal to C.
By the common factor in multiplying divide
so if we are made up of all these elements,
these chemicals, that's doing these things
and consciousness comes as a result of these interactions
then the entire universe must take the same walk
if one is doing it.
The one thing that everything is based on,
if the foundation, if this is how the foundation moves,
I'm sorry, the boat is going to move according
to how the C's move and that's all we are boats
or waves on this thing of the universe popping up.
We still have to follow that path.
Was this prompted 10 years ago
by you having manboops and you said,
maybe this is what's happening to me,
is that kind of like a, is that like,
hey, I used to have muscles up here,
I used to be able to flex.
No, I think it started with a friend of mine
was having prostate issues.
How old was he?
He was only 60 and he was having serious prostate issues
and I began studying what the prostate is like
and trying to find a solution for him.
And that's when I realized that the testes
ultimately pull up and become ovaries
and the prostate becomes the uterus
and in the feminine side, the uterus drops down
and becomes the prostate, the ovaries drop down
and they become testicles,
the clitoris becomes the penis, all of that stuff,
it's just an in and out process.
The universe is very simple, it's not complicated.
Now we can throw all these other things
like you throw religion in there
and it tells you that you're gonna die
and then you're gonna float up into the heavens
but when have we seen that happen?
How does that fit with the sustainability
of our ecology, of our environment,
of our universal flow?
There's always a back and forth,
how is it that a male God had a male son
without a feminine counterpart of as above so below?
Those are the things we follow these myths
or religious understandings that we've been taught
without questioning them.
Without questioning if somebody said,
oh I had a dream the day and an angel showed up
and told me to do da da da da da da,
most people would look at them like they were insane
but most of our faith is based off of someone
that had an interaction like that
but it was told to us by someone with authority,
our mother, our father and it was told to them
by someone with authority and we give that authority
and wherever they get that information,
whether it's from the Hebrew Bible,
whether it's from the Quran,
whether it's from the ancient texts of the Veda,
we believe it based upon the authority that someone else
has put in it but many things we have in question
for ourselves.
Used to be a Jehovah witness.
Yes, I used to study which Jehovah's Witness.
I never got baptized.
Oh, you never did.
No, I never got baptized
but I studied for 25 years.
For 25 years, would you have considered
yourself a Jehovah's Witness?
Yes, I consider myself just,
I hadn't made it to the point of being
completely dedicated and getting baptized.
What prevented you?
I asked a question one day.
I have to drink some water for this.
According to the Bible,
it never rained on this planet until the year 2348 BCE,
4,370 years ago.
Or 4,730 years ago, I think.
Adam wasn't created,
was created in the year depending on how you take it.
The Mesoreg text says that he was created
in the year 4,04 BCE.
Other people have it at 4,024 BCE.
And if you look up and if you can Google or hit chat,
the idea that it never raining on this planet
in the 4.6 billion years that the standard model says,
that hit me kind of strangely.
And I began asking questions about that.
Is it possible for there never to have been rain
on this planet until the year 2348 BCE?
They couldn't give me an answer for it.
So I started doing research
and I looked into glaciation and ice cores
and the deeper you look into the ice cores,
you can go back almost 1.2 million years
and you see the same recursive things that's taking place.
And in order to have glaciers in those place
means you have precipitation.
In order to have precipitation
and have a hydrologic system that is functioning.
And rain snow begins as rain initially and it freezes.
So that question right there made me stop.
If you look at the and mind you, I love,
it's not that I don't believe in God,
but the what we've been taught is not lining up
with archaeological truth, archaeological facts.
If you look at the tree rings, you know,
they don't support the idea of a global flood.
It supports the idea of perhaps a regional flood
in a given area, but to support a global flood,
all of those tree rings, you know,
for a water to be on the earth for 150 days
and everything crushed underneath it,
all the trees would die.
So you would see a new growth pattern,
but we still see tree rings that goes back 12,000 years.
So there could, there was a flood.
There's a number of reports for a regional flood,
but as far as it being a global flood,
that doesn't match according to archaeological facts
according to the glacial facts.
So I had to start questioning those things
and remember we were told that the Bible is the word of God
and man wrote it, but it was under inspiration.
And I was like, well, if I look at 4,000,
4 BCE as the starting point for man being here,
well, that doesn't match the genealogical records
of everyone coming up out of Africa
and making their movement through Gobekki Tempo,
all of these places, they 13,000 years old,
other places showing that mankind has been here
at least 300,000 years or at least a million years.
So that was a hard thing for me
because I felt like I was losing my religion,
but at the same time, I was gaining my common sense
that when they began writing about trying to understand
what was taking place, they use the best tools
that they had available at the time.
But those tools, now we have more sensitive instruments.
And so we should be using those sensitive instruments
and using our common sense
and take the stories that we can from these things,
but not to, we have to walk away from fairy tales
at the end of the day and hold on to truth
and hold on to the God when we pray, who do we pray to?
Do we pray out there or are we praying
to a deeper place inside the connectivity to the creator?
And the thought that I had to go through an interceder,
like I'm a father, there's nothing that any of my sons
could do or my daughters could do,
that they would have to go through somebody else
in order, one of my other children to talk to me.
There's no way, and I'm not even a perfect father.
I'm a loving father and a just father,
but there's nothing that my son could do
that would make me throw him into a fire and burn him
for eternity, for something he did for 30 or 40 years,
or even 80 years, the equanimity,
it doesn't balance out, the reciprocity,
it doesn't balance out.
And I'm thinking, God is love, so how can you do that too?
But that's what some of the scriptures are talking about
or that's what some of the faith believes in,
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that,
no, you just die in your wiped out forever
and that's a loving thing,
but they were never able to explain
the, or help me to reconcile the dates
of Bible chronology based upon archaeological truth.
What did your father believe in?
My father was a Muslim.
He was a Muslim.
My father was a Muslim, like your mother.
My mother was a Baptist.
And was he a practice in Muslim?
Yes, a practice he was.
So he became a Muslim when he went to prison.
So did you ever become a Muslim?
Yes, my name was Salaman, you know,
practiced a lot, did all of that for how long?
Up until I was 13.
Up until 13, your Muslim?
And then how did you walk away from it?
I've talked about this before, but there was a day I came home
and all of the brothers from the mosque
was over at the house and there was this brother,
Yakub, you know, very kind, loved his scent,
loved his nature.
But apparently he had castrated a wineau,
a homeless person for urinating on the mosque.
He castrated him?
Castrated him.
And he's sharing the story with you.
And no, no, no, no.
All of everybody's around like 13 of the brothers
from the mosque are there because Yakub has been arrested
and they're talking about that.
And they were sitting, the argument was,
the conversation was, well, he shouldn't have, you know,
defecated, you know, he shouldn't have castrated.
Well, he shouldn't have, what is the term?
I can't desecrate, that was it.
He shouldn't have desecrated the Holy Temple
by urinating on the mosque.
That was what they were talking about.
They weren't talking about the fact that this young man
or older gentleman was also a child of God
that may have been lost.
And I was like that, it was so severe.
You're overhearing this conversation?
Yes, I'm sitting now, I'm in the stairs
and they're in the living room.
So you're not part of the conversation
to 13-men or heaven?
I'm just listening, cut it.
And it could have been 12, but it felt like,
you know, all the seats were taken up.
And so at that moment, I started questioning Islam
in that regard, because God of love,
you know, I couldn't see that happening.
So then I started exploring, you know,
Methodist, explored Catholicism.
And then by the time I'm like 17,
I bump into witnesses and they tell me about the truth
about Christmas, the truth about Easter,
the truth about all of these things.
And I believe it, because it is a truth,
but when it came to, they tell you,
stay away from astrology.
And I'm like, why do you stay away from astrology?
But I listened.
And then when I did my research,
astrology came from astronomy.
All of our religion, the 12 constellations
that the sun goes through, became the 12 disciples,
the sun dying on the 21st of December,
you know, and being dead for three days.
And then on the 25th, it rises again
and becomes that Southern cross.
I was like, wow, they wanted me to stay away
from astrology because it was the basis of most religions.
And so that was a red flag for me.
Interesting.
It was a very, it was a huge red flag for me.
Well, let me ask you, you know, to me,
there's a couple ways with this, right?
One of them is the actual debate, which is the, you know,
theological debate you can have on faith.
And that can go for hours, right?
You know, Christianity, Muslim, you know, Jewish,
you know, seven day Adventist, you know, Mormon,
we can go that route, that's one side.
From your experience, you've traveled all over the world.
You've been all over the place.
You've been around everybody.
Who do you think produces the best societies
and produces the best, safest results?
Well, the Buddhists, for the most part,
because they don't really put anything into a higher being.
The Buddhists are more so.
The interconnectedness of the universe, you know,
the entanglement and doing things based on karma,
based upon, but without the idea that you want
to gain something in return from it,
it's more of a living way, you know,
instead of a worshipping way,
a lot of our worship now has become something perfunctory,
you know, and it's transactional.
If I do good, then I can ask God to help me
and people do things and hoping they're gonna get
something in exchange, instead of balancing
and doing good, just from the sake of doing good,
you know, because it's the right thing to do,
that's what not rule number nine is make way for life.
You gotta take, you're gonna have to take in this world,
take responsibly, and give as much as you take,
if you're gonna eat a piece of fruit, the Buddhist way,
the human living way, be appreciative that you got
the flesh of the fruit, but why not go and plant the seed?
Why do we throw the seed in a trash?
The embryo, why do we throw the plant's embryo
into the trash?
Why don't, since it's sustained us,
why don't we go and plant that somewhere, you know,
and maybe when our children or one of our seedlings
is out there in the world and somebody uses it,
they'll also place it in a good place.
So it's for the karma of it, but I don't follow, you know,
any religion, any one, no religion,
but I pray constantly.
We innovate too.
How does it start?
The universe, because I believe the entire universe is gone.
You say dear Heavenly Father, or what do you say?
I have a name.
I have a name.
I have a name.
But it's not dear Heavenly Father.
You have a name.
No, it's because it can't just be Heavenly Father,
it can't just be just a man up there, a male figure.
It has to be both a masculine and a feminine side
of the deities in order for there to be balanced with it.
But there's an energy and the masculine has always been
the electric, the feminine has always been the magnetic,
you know, the discharging the expansive.
And so when I balance with that,
and I see everything is God.
There's no part that's not made from the Creator.
It wasn't just man that was made in the likeness of God, you know,
because when you look at the, how everything is born,
how it's raised, how it's, how it gestates inside of the body,
it still takes the same curl.
It's still unwinds the same way, the same thing,
and hemoglobin, same thing, and chlorophyll,
same thing in the blood of the cephalopods.
Just one or two trace elements is changed
in the center of the nucleus.
So there is nothing that's not made from the Creator.
And so instead of God living,
we're in a universe as God.
Is he, you know, near Alpha Centauri somewhere
or is he outside of the universe?
No, I believe the universe collectively is God.
Therefore, all of us are part of the Creator, you know?
I'm as small as, when I want to be small,
I think about Terence Howard.
But when I want to be large,
I think about Terence Howard in the universe
and Terence Howard disappears.
And then now I'm a part of everything.
Have you ever read conversation with God?
Yes. What do you think about it?
I love that.
I love that.
Was it recent or was it?
That was 20 years ago.
Okay. That was 20 years.
Just, I'm just wondering like, you know,
because you'll hear words being used,
and it's, you know, the universe, I'm like,
okay, so that's sometimes folks
who read the book conversation with God
that would speak the language that way.
And in some people had a bad experience with a person
who was a member of a church,
and then there's a fallen out.
For me, I was an atheist 25 years.
I had nothing but bad experiences.
And I was like, I'm not even dealing with it.
And then I met with a man who's named was Mano,
and he said the most powerful thing to me
says, if you judge God horizontally,
you'll always be disappointed, you know,
because people will let you down.
They will, you know, but if you judge it vertically,
you know, that's where the relationship begins
because it's you and him.
And that's the element of faith, you know,
because for somebody like you,
would you consider yourself a very analytical guy?
I think you're very analytical.
I'm analytical, I examine things,
but I'm very emotional at the same time.
You wouldn't be in the business you're in
if you wanted to.
It's a good balance of both, right?
Right brain and left brain.
How do you manage faith?
How do you deal with faith?
Well, like you said, with conversations with God,
I believe every conversation is with God
because everything is divine, you know?
And so when I deal with people,
a gentleman told me once,
he said, in every person you meet,
there's this little piece of God in them.
That's who you talk to.
And then I added to that, but make sure they see it
in you first.
And so that's how I deal with faith.
I approach everyone as if I'm talking
to the creator.
And I wish I had talked to that gentleman at Disneyland,
like, okay, wait a minute, this is God right here instead
of this insignificant worm that is stopping me.
He's going to connect you.
He's going to be like, Terence, I'm so sorry
because Terence Howard is on connect.
If you've got any questions,
you can always connect them here.
We're going to put the QR code below.
You've heard of office, the poet office?
No, he's a Persian poet.
I'm trying to find this thing because of what you said,
I read this many years ago and he said something about,
man, I got to find this because I think you would love it.
He says, okay, God is speaking through everything,
through the wind, through the flute,
through your own breath.
So sometimes it kind of goes to,
and if you go a little bit deeper in it,
he says, sometimes God speaks through you.
He uses human beings as a way to communicate to you.
That's in, by the way, half as is like,
Rumi, I'm sure you've heard of Rumi.
If you know Rumi and Iran,
of many times I'll talk about half as well.
So faith for you is in conversations with, okay.
So let me ask you this, being in Hollywood,
you've acted with a lot of different guys in a business.
You've done movies with some of the best,
and we talked about one time,
which movie we're in, which was my favorite,
the one with Channing Tate, what is it named?
Fighting, oh my God, the way you played in that movie,
I watched it multiple times because of how we talked
about it last time.
What did anyone in the business tell you about faith?
Are there a lot of people that believe in God?
Is it more those who don't?
Is it more, because, you know, I'm curious like,
you're on the set, okay guys, we got a three hour break,
you're sitting there with somebody
that you're doing a movie with.
What are some of the most profound things
any colleague told you about relationship with God and faith?
Well, most of them have lost their faith.
They talk about God because it's a good talking point.
I like to thank God for all of these things,
but they never identify, everybody,
a God is anything that you worship.
Some people's God is money because they do anything for it.
They'll sacrifice themselves, they'll sacrifice their children.
Some people's God is lust,
and they're willing to sacrifice all of that.
A God is something that you put that you will trade everything
for or you turn to, you know, when you're doing nothing else.
So most conversations on set, you know,
are as shallow as you can imagine
because these actors, they're scared.
They're scared, we come into the business
because not that we want to perform,
but we're hoping to be validated.
We're hoping that, you know,
so the kids that tees me in school will know
that he's an important person.
He's somebody worth listening to.
So when you're on set,
most of them has had to trade in a lot of their beliefs
and the things they hold precious to themselves
because they're in to get into that place,
to get into that business,
that it makes them not want to talk about faith
because they feel short in themselves,
but they don't realize that all you got to do
to wash yourself is truly just to wash yourself.
Every day you go to sleep, it's like death.
You're dying, you die according to your sins.
And next morning you're able to wake up with a fresh hit.
Now you can go and be a grave digger
and go dig up the bones from yesterday and follow it.
So the conversations I have with people
is mostly about, you know,
you got to remember that God renews.
I am what I shall become.
Who is the best example of somebody you watch?
Like what you said was mind-boggling.
You never slept with anybody in the business, never.
You said you're late in bed with them
and one of them asked you,
don't you want to know what it feels like to be inside of me?
And you said I already am, right?
And by the way, when you said inside of me,
you know where it took me Rob?
You know that movie for getting ceremonial
where he's singing inside of you?
Do you know what John, I'm talking to you?
He's a Larry there inside of me.
I don't know, he's singing.
He is so funny.
Was there anybody where you're like, man?
What a devout, disciplined, you know,
a man of faith or a woman of faith to be in Hollywood.
Was there any one example
where you were blown away by?
Now because most of the girls have had to trade
so much to get there, they don't have,
they know that that's part of the transaction.
100% of them?
Yeah, like the interesting thing was near long ones.
Not that we dated or anything,
but we were doing this movie butter.
I mean, Nia, I've got to, I give her a lot of credit
because she's probably responsible for me being the actor I am today,
being near long.
Nia, because Nia would constantly go
and anytime she was on the project,
she'll be like, you need to bring Terence here.
You knew who's Terence, oh, he's dope, dah, dah, dah, dah.
Well, one day we're on the set and we're flirting
and we're talked about, okay, let's hang out afterwards.
And so I get in my car and I'm like, okay,
so, you know, where do you want to meet up at?
And she's like, if you think I'm going to let you come home
and have your way with me, you got something else come.
She said that.
Yeah, but she said it in a good way
because it was, there was, there was an attraction there,
but she was like, and we've been great friends
for 20-something years since then.
You know, another girl, she's not an actor.
And Nia long as a dime is gorgeous, yeah.
She's a whole dollar, yeah.
She is a whole dollar, you know, she was,
but at the integrity, the foresight that she showed, you know,
because afterwards we knew it wouldn't have been
a forever relationship, right?
That didn't make you want to pursue it even more.
No, it made me like, I dig her.
I dig her for seeing the truth of it.
Yeah, she spoke the truth.
She spoke the truth of that.
Well, she would somebody at that time
with both of you guys versus you.
We were both single.
And is she married?
I don't know if she's married.
She was married.
I think she got divorced recently, but.
Wow, interesting.
Okay.
But that one got me.
Who else are we going to say somebody else?
I'm not, I don't know.
Okay, so Nia longed to me.
Nia was, oh wait, she was with that
coach.
Yeah.
You got to be kidding me.
Yeah, she ended up marrying him.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Interesting.
And he had some controversy tied to him.
He was, yeah, I mean, you got all the girls there around you.
I don't know what happened, but something happened.
But just the fact that she had the integrity
and the foresight to saying, no, this isn't going to go
where, you know, she was really looking for love
at the same time.
You know, one of my best friends,
or someone that used to be my best friend,
girl named Stephanie Baklon, you know, who we met to date.
But then we got in a car.
We smoked a joint and set there in front of the parking lot
in a ready to go somewhere.
And we realized we were going to be buddies for life.
And so I ended up sleeping on her couch for six months
when I didn't have work or anything like that.
And that's where John Singleton came and met me
and ended up getting hustle and flow.
You know, she was a really good person.
But that came as a result of us having an attraction.
But recognizing that the attraction,
just because you're drawn to somebody
doesn't mean it has to culminate in sexuality.
You know, and sometimes we go to that base.
Oh, wow, yes, Nicole Ari Barker.
What happened?
We were doing a movie together.
And we kind of felt like, oh, you know what?
We're playing boyfriend and girlfriend.
And there was a bit of an attraction.
And we're sitting there laying in bed,
closed on, but watching TV.
This is long before she met Boris or anything like that.
And we looked at each other like, what are we about to do?
And we laughed.
And we've been super close ever since, you know?
Marvin Gage, don't have nothing to have.
Yeah, nothing happened.
This and some people are watching the saying, you're saint.
I mean, this is not a saying.
So you believe, you believe in men and women
can be friends without having sexual attraction.
And well, you have the attraction,
but you just don't act on it.
And if you feel something like, if I feel like
I have a great attraction to sort of word somebody,
I was doing a movie with this girl, Nikki.
I forgot, what's Nikki's last name?
We're, Nicole was in book.
Yeah, she's in book.
Yeah, who was she in book.
She wanted to be a book in a time.
I don't know. She was in book.
And by the way, just so the audience knows,
your wife is given these names.
Because we've talked about it.
I'm sure we've talked about it.
I it's cool.
I dated Marvin Gage's daughter for a bit
and we've never slept together or anything like that.
But, you know, I'm more of a, you know,
I want to get to know who you truly, truly, truly are.
And then you try and take your walk to see where,
if there's a, if there's a, yeah, no, no, no, no,
and they respected her because nothing has,
and nothing happened.
So, yeah, I'm trying to think, have I ever laid in bed
with a girl when I was single watching a movie?
Science was, listen, you have, what is the,
what was the phrase, Robbie?
Shit, earlier, the 1200, the,
the first storehouse, emptying the storehouse.
Wow.
So emptying the storehouse,
you were able to control protecting that storehouse
in the moment.
I just knew that it wouldn't turn out the way I wanted it.
How did you know that though?
Because you know your prey.
You know what they'll taste like.
You know what it'll feel like.
You know when you have a perfect connection with somebody,
you know that.
How can you tell that?
How can you tell that?
Fair amounts.
Your whole body responds to them.
It's no longer a hit game.
It's, you know, it's, it's a soul game.
And if you wait for that,
then every interaction you have,
like all of these girls, you know that,
like when they started talking about me
and domestic violence,
and I'm like all the people that know me
have to know that that's not who I am, you know,
and whether they accepted it or didn't,
I didn't matter, but I was like,
but the girls that know me out there,
when they caught me and said I was a slut or, you know,
a womanizer and all that,
and I'm like, no, you're associating me
with the characters that they've made me play.
And that's been the hardest thing is showing
that there's a differentiation
just because you make me play security guard,
doesn't mean I'm a security guard.
You know, I may be a gardener at home.
I may be all of these things
just because I'm a bank president,
doesn't mean that I'm, you know,
that I'm fiscally or financially mature
or any of those things.
This is just what I do throughout this day.
So hard on this side because on this side,
like we're watching Game of Thrones
and I sort of got a feisty actor,
Joffrey anywhere, I'm gonna be like this guy,
like you literally watch it, you're like,
what a piece of, you know, you watch the mom,
you know, you watch some movies.
And Game of Thrones messed me up.
You know, and I think it messed up a lot of the world
because I get everybody into incest porn, you know,
because people started watching it.
And how many people turned off the TV
when Jamie and Cersei's hooked up
or how many people got quiet and watched it.
That was the incest that was pushed inside of Game of Thrones
and the House of Dragons, you know,
it's almost being normalized in a sense.
But I bet you incest porn went up from
walked from Game of Thrones.
Game of Thrones, you know, you,
it's presented for seven, eight years in front of you.
Now it's normal.
I got to connect the other day
and he sends me a connect first.
And then I'm like, hey, you know,
he says, hey, you got to talk about porn on rock.
I say, yeah, we'll talk about it.
He says, no, I don't think you understand.
This is serious.
You have to talk about the challenges of porn on rock.
I said, we will.
And he keeps me necked and back.
And this is like six or seven minutes later.
And then he finally says, listen,
let me tell you why you have to talk about it.
I'm addicted to it.
I don't know how to let it go.
I said, what do you mean?
He says, rock porn allows you to pick and choose
whatever fantasy you want.
And it says it, you can ask for 19 year old girl
doing this to this person in this position
and that position and this.
And I think it's horrible.
I'm addicted.
I can't let go of it.
I don't know what to do.
You know, and he's sending me a message like this, right?
So, you know, you, I was in a military.
We had a guy in the corner who was a sergeant.
You'd go to his office.
He was the most famous sergeant at our unit.
You want to know why?
He had 2000 cassettes of any porn you want it.
So Friday night, Saturday night.
I'm coming back from the gym.
All I'm hearing is, you're hearing the sound in the corner
and he's blasting it.
So all these 18 year olds are coming to his room
to watch it in his 32 years old E5.
Let me tell you what I've collected over the years.
He was a legend, right?
And it's to himself, I have the best stuff
that nowadays, right here.
He's right there.
And then think what AI is going to do
on whatever crazy situation you want.
What impact does that have when a boy watches it
or a man watches it?
When I was a kid, in order to see porn,
you can get the magazines or you'll be at a wealthy friend's house
and they had some videos.
But it was a rare opportunity to see it.
The proliferation of it today, you know,
I don't know how you avoid it like for me.
I still have to be careful.
I try and put my, make sure that my phone,
my computer and all of that is inside of the Cassita
and not near my bed if I'm away from my family, you know,
because you still have the desire to go back into watching.
And I was, wow, who was I talking to?
What is his name, honey?
God, and I love him.
I'm having a senior moment.
He played hop.
He was the voice in hop.
Yes, the voice in hop, not him, but the actual voice.
Russell Brande?
Russell Brande.
I was talking to Russell Brande and I remember saying to him,
you know, yeah, I still watch porn periodically.
He's saying that or yours?
I said that to him and he was like, what?
It was like, you really should research that.
You really should research what's taking place with that.
And I, when I did the research and considered what I want
my child in that position, when I put it back to that,
when I put it back to it, then you, you're like,
you take a moment, you know, if you can catch yourself.
But if once you start going, once you've gotten on that train,
you know, it's over.
Once you've turned it on, turned on a computer, it's over.
So for a man, it's a lot of self-control.
So I have to make sure none of this stuff is around and mind you.
I didn't masturbate until I was 25 years old.
Only because my father was so staunch about, about manhood, you know.
And I'm like sitting there thinking, this is a man's hand touching my penis.
That, that's homosexual.
I'm getting off.
If I'm getting off rubbing, your dad told you if you masturbate,
it's a man's hand touching.
Yeah, that's it.
And so for me, I didn't masturbate for the first time until I was 25 years old.
And I, I wish that I had maintained that.
Like for a second, you went back to the first time you went through you.
Yeah, I was in Czech Republic.
I was in Prague.
You remember it.
Yeah, I was inside the hotel and I had watched porn before,
but I just would watch it.
And this was the first time that I actually went there.
And then I had them remove the television out of the room of the hotel.
I wish you'd not swore.
Because I couldn't stop.
I couldn't stop.
I kept watching it.
And I was like, oh, wow.
So pushing the easy button, pushing the easy button.
Czech Republic.
And you get shot out to Czech.
You get, you get, you get caught into it.
So even at 57 years old, I have to be careful and to check myself.
So that rule number five, respect yourself.
Respect yourself.
You know, and I sit there and think about, you know, what Maximus,
you know, be sitting off in a cell doing that, you know, from Gladiator.
I'm like, because I love who he was.
And I put that into my head.
I try to.
Is that really what you would do?
Yeah, I sit there and think about.
Would Maximus masturbate in jail?
Would Maximus.
Would be what the people that I look up to, you know,
did Socrates.
Wow.
With Socrates involved in that.
And if there are, you know, I know that I don't necessarily believe
about angels and things of that nature.
But I know that there's other dimensional beings.
Because there's other, there's other temporal dimensions.
You know, things are moving at a different rate, a different pace.
And based upon the individual that came and shared all that knowledge
with me about the science, I'm like, OK, are they looking at me?
Like I look at my dog when he's licking himself.
You know, is that who I am?
And if I could, would I, would I do what my dog is doing?
You know, so I compare it like that.
I don't really want to pull me back.
How promiscuous were you at your peak?
Oh, at my peak.
I was dating about four or five girls, you know,
that I would go and hang out with, you know, was it interchanging or same?
It was, that would meet new girls, meet new girls all the time.
I asked the question because did you ever go in a runway
for like a five year period, 10 year period?
It was just, I was exploring, I explored my dark side.
I explored my dark side.
I did the Carl Jung thing.
I explored and embraced my shadow.
You know, then you realize you have to get to your lowest point.
And that lowest point was sitting there watching porn, you know,
and starting to use my gift of gap to talk girls into doing those things.
That's what age did you realize you had that?
How early?
Well, that didn't stop.
That was, it was about in my 30s.
On your 30s?
In my 30s.
What was the first time you had a sexual encounter with a girl?
Oh, I was four.
That was different.
I was four.
It was the older girls that were watching me, you know,
and they were like six and seven.
And so that changed.
Did you say four years old?
Four years old.
With six and seven year old girls.
Yeah.
And we did that every day until I was like 13.
You know, had more sex then and I've had in my adult life.
So my expectation for interaction was always, was those things.
I'm still confused.
You said four years old?
And they were six or seven.
Six and seven.
Were they Muslims?
No.
No, no, no.
Because you're father with...
Yeah, my father wouldn't have known, but when you're not supervised.
And you guys are just fooling around at...
We're just fooling.
We played hide and go get.
Pants up, pants down.
That was my experience and I'm like, I look at my sons eight and nine now.
No, nine and ten now.
And I can't imagine them getting involved in that.
You know, but I lost my innocence.
You know, it's effectively being molested.
But then you have this...
But that grown girls.
Six, seven, six, seven.
They were seven.
They were about two years older than me.
Me and my brother.
How long did that last?
Up until we were like 13.
But all the kids in the neighborhood was going out.
Oh, this is a neighborhood thing.
You guys are just complaining.
You're doing this.
And we play hide and go get.
What neighborhood was this?
This is in Cleveland.
Cleveland.
Wow.
Wow.
30th and central.
Who's watching over you?
Are you living with my dad's in prison?
Yeah.
My dad's in prison.
Well, my dad had just gotten out of prison.
But then he goes...
And he's at work all the time.
You know, and trying to hustle a job.
Because it was hard to get a job after that.
And then my mother's in school.
So...
And I didn't know...
It felt like it was wrong.
But I didn't know.
Mom never thought it was wrong.
There's no...
No, I wish they did.
I wish they did.
I wish I had never done that.
I would probably have been a completely different person.
But it gave me an skewed view of interaction.
I kept thinking that, you know, everybody was promiscuous like that.
So by the time I get 16, 17, you know, I've done enough to where I'm starting...
Now the spiritual side of me is starting to show up.
You know, but then I slipped back into it at 25.
You know, and for 25 to 30 something, you know.
We're still trying to be a Jehovah's Witness, but still having this urge taking place.
And, you know, the bad things I'd learned from my uncles and all of that influencing me.
And it takes you a long time to try and get back to who and what you really, really are.
But, yeah, that really messed me up, that.
Are you kidding me?
Like, to see...
I've talked to a lot of different people.
No one's ever told me that.
More sex between four to 13 than you're saying any other...
Yeah, and I've had a my entire adult life.
Because there's no orgasm, you know, until you're about 12-13.
So...
And when you're saying sex, you're saying intercourse.
Yeah, we had intercourse.
We was having intercourse at four.
How did I mess you up as an adult later on?
Well, because you think about the innocence of a child
and having to deal with those adult circumstances and situations,
you're not mentally prepared for it.
So now I'm super protective of my children, of other people's children.
I'm like, you know, when we have a family, a friend come and visit
and they've got an infant, I'll secure the whole house and put pillows everywhere.
I'm just overly protective because I wanted somebody... I'm trying to protect me.
My kids are never alone.
They are never alone without two at least two people watching them.
You know, just because I don't want what happened to me to ever happen to them.
What a perspective.
So if somebody who is not probably nothing happened to them,
so they think automatically everybody is saying before you since it happened to you,
you're always paranoid of what could happen.
Yeah, I mean, when I was 13, you can trust me with your daughter
because I thought the way that interaction was, you know,
there's this play that we do, you know.
I didn't pull myself fully together until I was about maybe 15, about 15.
I started seeing the...
I started seeing where I could head to, you know, that...
No, because it was a girl that I wanted to marry.
And I loved her.
I loved this girl.
And she...
She wanted to have sex and I didn't want to have sex.
This was like 14.
I just started studying the Bible and really coming around to who I would ultimately become.
And she ended up having a train ran on her by my friends, you know,
because I didn't want to have sex with her.
I didn't know she was a freak.
But she was trying to be free like this.
So it was...
You don't know her reputation.
I know.
She didn't have a reputation at the time, but she was ready to explore.
So she had the train had happened already?
No, it happened.
She's thinking about it.
Yeah, it happened after...
Because I wouldn't do something with her.
So that's what I'm saying.
I would have the ones that I loved, I didn't want to touch.
The ones that were special, I didn't want to touch.
But I was treating other people's child.
Yeah, like, well, she's not somebody I want to marry or anyone.
Did any father ever find that and come and get you?
I want to be a brother.
I wish they did.
A brother, nothing.
I wish they did.
Really?
No, because they were every...
What would be to know?
Like how many girls would you say from 4 to 13?
Oh, at least 100.
At least 100.
From 4 to 13, at least 100.
Mm-hmm.
Oh my goodness.
And you don't want.
It's not something that you...
No, I don't think so.
You're sitting there looking at your life, like, wow.
So that's what made a difference for me when I got older.
I didn't want, you know, when I would be next to these people.
I knew that feeling of taking that walk.
A lot of people didn't explore sexuality enough to where they had an opportunity, you know,
to sow their wild oats at that earlier age.
But it's literally...
It's how the system the government has been set up to where the father and the mother are not at home.
There's no caretakers taking care of looking after, you know, the most important part of the family anymore.
At that time, when that's going on, would you...
I have, like, 50 questions, sexually transmitted, that anybody get anything.
Anything, nothing.
So none of those things happen.
Did you witness older men coming in taking the energy of younger girls or no?
No, but what I did see...
Well, there would be some 16-year-olds, you know, messing with younger girls.
But that was all normalized inside of the community.
It did not...
That was just the transaction.
That was how we played.
I thought it was normal.
And you guys called it a game?
You know, let's play high and go get.
And you're saying that to like, three girls are with you.
You're saying that, or is it you and your buddies and three girls there?
That's about eight of us hanging out and, you know, with all...
Like, high and go seek, but it was high and go get.
And you would decide, pants up or pants down.
And that's...
I would hate for my child to be doing that this day.
And it causes you to forget most of your childhood,
because you don't want to remember...
You don't want to remember those things.
But those are the things that painted me, you know,
with my father being sent off to prison,
with my mother trying to have the career instead of taking care of us,
because she didn't get the career that she wanted.
What did she want to do?
She was...
She ended up graduating from college and all that,
but she wanted to be an actress.
She wanted to be a journalist.
She wanted to be all of that stuff.
That didn't happen for her.
And she lost being able to protect her sons, you know.
Because now all my brothers and Jehovah's Witnesses,
they've made different choices in their life.
But I know that those thoughts still go through their head of the choices
that we made when we were younger, you know.
And you're just a little more overprotective,
a lot more overprotective, you know, about who you are.
And I look forward to the next lifetime of not remembering it any more.
Did you guys ever run into each other?
Did you ever run into any of the girls...
No, I haven't been able to leave them.
You've never been back to college?
I've gone there, but I've gone to college.
Not to go...
Not walking through it.
You've never seen a movie The Judge with Robert Downey Jr.
Robert DeVol.
Know how he goes back to the town.
He grew up in it.
And he never wanted to go back.
And he runs into the girl of his ex at the bar.
Yeah.
And when you go back, you don't see any of these old friends.
No.
And that's why I was explaining to my daughters
that if I bumped into girls that I had interaction with,
I wouldn't even know their face or name.
It's pretty well.
Hi, everyone.
My name is Terence Howard.
I'm an actor.
But in the field of science also.
So if you would like to connect with me,
you can connect with me on Menect.
The QR code is down below.
And let's have a great conversation.
So your mom inspired you to get into the movie business?
Yeah.
And how did that happen?
Because she wanted to be an actress.
And I thought if I became an actor, I would get her affection.
I would...
Because she'd do it over my younger brother Antonio.
And wanted him to be an actor.
So I thought if I became an actor, she would...
You know, I would get that love from her.
What did Antonio end up doing?
He's a contractor now.
He's a contractor.
Yeah, practicing witness.
Practicing witness.
Yeah.
He's good for him.
He's maintained...
Good relationship, you guys.
Yeah.
We have a great relationship.
But...
Are 11 of you guys all close?
Most of us are.
Great.
We...
There's a lot of communication.
And the younger ones are kind of getting their own thing out there.
I don't have as much in common with my brothers anymore because I'm not a witness.
And they're still trying to, you know, proselytize in a way.
And I'm trying to open their eyes to...
Let's look at some of the statistics, some of the facts, you know, from the Scriptures.
If every word is supposed to be the word of God, if you find one mistake in there,
then you've got to throw the entire thing out.
You have the entire things that becomes questionable.
And like I said, I'm not questioning the divinity of God,
but I do question how we've been taught in our belief systems.
I think our belief systems is time to raise them and take the allegories that we can,
but we need to start basing things on actual fact.
So you're going into Hollywood.
At what age did you get the first job?
How did you get into it?
The first job I got was on the Cosby Show.
I went to Barry Moss's casting agency because my brother in Tonyo was invited to come in there
and then he couldn't go because he was in Cleveland.
I was in New York at the time and I went in there and I got the job on the Cosby Show.
Is that it, right?
No, that's not it.
I was living single.
They cut me out of the show.
Oh, they cut you out of the show.
Didn't they really?
They cut me out of the show.
Because I was just a friend of Theo's, playing ping pong and all of that.
And I was so hurt by it.
And I caught my great grandmother, Mini Gentry, who was an actress who had been on the Cosby Show.
And I asked her, I said, I feel like I need to go talk to Cosby because Cosby had told me that he liked us together.
And I hadn't had talked to Barry Moss in three weeks or whatever.
And so I went up to Cosby's room, went to the Coffinist story of Queens, Coffinist story of studios.
And they made friends with everybody inside of the lobby.
You know, so they let me in thinking I was coming in.
And I waited outside of Cosby's door and I said to him, when he showed up, he was like, hey, what are you doing?
I was like, I just love to talk to you for a minute.
And he invited me into his room and he said, so what's on your mind?
I said, I watched the show last night.
And he was like, good, good, good.
And he said, I said, but they cut me out of it.
And it's like, yeah, it happens.
Yeah, it happens.
I was like, but nobody told me that it was going to happen.
It's like, you know, your agent should have told you, I was like, oh, I don't have an agent.
It's like, oh, okay.
I was like, but well, you said that you that you liked us together and you were going to have me back.
I haven't heard anything from anybody.
And he took a minute and looked at me.
And he was like, well, you know, it could happen.
You know, but it also can't happen.
And I'm like, well, you know, what I did is I told everybody at my school that I was going to be on the show.
I was in college at Pratt Institute.
And I had them come and watch the show.
And then I wasn't there.
And I was embarrassed.
And he said, well, he said, well, in this business, you learn you don't tell somebody or something.
And let somebody call you and tell you, tell you, they saw you.
And then he said to me, he said, he said, but that's just how this business is.
And I said, well, you know what?
I'm a man just like you.
Here's this 19-year-old boy that takes another moment at Disneyland.
I said, I'm a man just like you.
I eat, piss, and I crap.
But the way you're talking to me feels like I'm an insignificant worm.
You said that.
Yeah, I said, and how old are you?
I'm 19.
I'm 19.
And I never told anybody about this conversation.
And he was, I said, but if this is how the business is, I don't think I want to be a part of it.
And he said, that's the choice you got to make.
Well, I leave there.
And Barry Moss will never take my call again.
And then maybe seven years later, I bumped into Malcolm from all Warner on a set.
And he's like, he was like, yo, I heard about you having a conversation with Bill Cosby.
And I was completely in the wrong.
I didn't get disrespect for with him.
But I was in the wrong because I should have, I needed to have an agent.
I need, I didn't need to come.
So you're taking responsibility?
Oh, I did that.
I did that.
I did.
There's some, but Cosby, you know, years later, he called me and because that rumor I got out there, you know, thinking that I had been black bald because of Cosby.
And he said, I would really would love for you to go on the radio and tell them that I didn't do this.
And I just like, I don't know if you did or didn't, but you weren't in the wrong that time.
You know, the same thing happened with me and Joe Silver.
I get, I'm doing the brave one.
And we're at the Venice Film Festival.
And some reporter out of nowhere, gas lights me.
And he says to me, he says, it's like, why isn't your name above the titles with Jody?
And I'm sitting there thinking, yeah, why isn't my name above titles with Jody?
So I started making calls as if that was my right.
And it wasn't.
And then Joe Silver came and had a conversation with me.
It's like the reason your name isn't above the titles is because you're not, you're not the star of this thing.
It's Jody.
And if you went, if you get nominated for an Oscar, it's going to be for supporting actors.
It's not going to be for best actor.
And I was like, okay, thank you for telling me that now I understand.
But you have to remember, I'm a man just like you.
And if you ever talk to me in that way again, I'm going to knock your teeth out your mouth.
You said that.
This is what I said.
And then I have to fly back on the private flight with him.
And Susan and Susan Downey is his producing partner on that.
And then maybe eight months later, I lose Iron Man.
And I'm sure that all of those things played their part.
But I got gaslit.
He did the right thing in coming and talking to me.
But I responded in this aggressive manner instead of being cool about an understanding that, you know, you get what's what's supposed to come to.
Something to admit to them.
You're in a business where it's, it's image.
It's so you're to take.
So yours.
So what, how could you have done it differently?
I would have, I would have just let it pass with him asking, you know, you shouldn't you be above the titles.
Well, if I should be above the titles, I would be.
You know, you are where you're supposed to be.
Now I understand that.
Shouldn't you be with that girl right there?
Yeah.
That was my girl.
Should I wither and despair because a woman be so fair?
Is she fair to me?
A girl may seem as fine as can be the most beautiful thing you ever did see.
But if she ain't mine, what the F.I. care how fair she be.
That position above the title was in line.
I didn't need it.
How, how important is it in Hollywood on the, how often do actors say, wait a minute, why my number two?
I was number, how is it a, is it a very important?
Yeah, well, it shows it's, it's still the classes.
You know, I'm above this.
I'm below this.
You know, I'm, and I right now I don't care where I'm at on the call list.
I just want to perform the best that I possibly can.
I've grown up now, but the mistakes I made back then.
Oh my God.
I'm the one that put myself in the dog house.
Other people didn't do.
There was a game.
There's a way you, there's procedures to the game.
If you don't follow the procedures, you get out of it.
And I did not know how to control my anger at the time.
I did not control my mouth.
You know, I kept getting in my own way.
When we were doing this movie boycott and Jeffrey Wright is sitting there
with playing chess with each other right before he's got to go in.
And I've got my, my pawns, three pawns set up here.
But I haven't been able to castle.
I'm trying to castle, but I can't get, get around there.
And I've got a bishop that's still blocking my, my blocking me from being able to castle.
And he dropped his rook down.
And you know, checkmate of me.
And he said, right there is your biggest problem.
You won't get out of your own way.
He said, the cameraman was watching you.
And he's seeing you from this angle.
And he looks good like this.
And he could do this that and the other.
But he said, but you won't do it.
Because you won't get out of your own way.
And getting out of my way then was I had a gold ring that I was determined to keep on.
And I was like, I always wear this.
And it's not the character.
I was like, but I always wear this and done it.
And I was in my own way about something that was unimportant.
I had forgotten.
You know, and you grow up and you listen when I had a meeting with Denzel once.
And he told me, it's like, look at your hands, man.
You're always like this.
You fist all bald up.
He said, and all these producers want to do is they try to open your hand.
And so they can put money in it.
But you won't do it.
You keep your hands all tight like this.
And you're blowing it.
And this is 20 years ago.
Holy moly.
What kind of price?
So 20 years ago, were you at your, were you come 20 years ago?
Would be what?
19, no.
2006 or 20 years ago.
It was right before, it was maybe about 20, 28, 20.
It was right before I did hustle and flow.
It was right before, because I ended up going back into the Chitlin circuit.
It was no longer being supported by the studios again.
You know, because I'm so impressed.
How many times?
At least eight times.
I've had a number of opportunities.
And, you know, but my aggression, you know, my need to be a man.
You're going, you're going to go talk to me like that.
You know, instead of learning how to diffuse and to walk away and to smile,
okay, this isn't your day.
Oh, this isn't my road right now.
Who plays a role in, in a, in an actor that obviously is very talented.
Obviously is an A.
Lister, obviously, it's a guy that can get up there and make the few hundred million.
Who typically plays the role of saying, hey, listen, let's pump the brakes.
I'm just having a tough time.
Was your manager somebody that knew how to manage?
They did.
Well, the people that were trying to manage me at the time were Benny Medina and people of that nature.
And it's like they have a different agenda.
You know, they're walking a different walk.
And I wasn't down for that.
And I wasn't, I didn't have the ears to listen at the time.
I just wasn't there yet.
They could have, my parents talked to me.
But I had been beat up so much as a little kid because I was light scared with green eyes and a black neighborhood.
You know, they slapped me and say, watch them turn red.
And I had to learn how to fight at 13, 14.
And once I learned how to fight now, I'm going to make everybody pay for what's happened to me.
And that's what I realized I was doing.
I'm just battling.
I'm battling shadows from the past.
You ain't going to punk me, you know.
And it's like I was punking myself.
So that's the hardest thing to get out of your own way to recognize.
Oh, wow, this ain't even about me.
Did you enjoy doing Iron Man?
Oh, I loved it.
I loved it.
I loved watching Robert.
I loved, I'd never seen somebody own a set the way that Robert owned that character.
He threw it away, cut it in half, threw it away, cut it in half, threw it away.
He wasn't trying to be Iron Man.
He was Tony Stark.
So I enjoyed watching him.
I enjoyed watching Jeff Bridges.
I had, man, Jeff Bridges well.
You know, we sit up and play guitar together and talked and, you know, I've been a huge fan of theirs.
But I noticed something about both of them.
They had learned to rest within themselves, sit at their seat of consciousness, especially Jeff.
You know, Jeff, he's, he's like Alan Watts.
He's just so, so, so full of inspiration and calmness.
Jeff was in Crazy Heart, right?
Did he?
Crazy Heart.
Yeah.
And the one, and I think in Crazy Heart, Colin Ferrell sings the song.
Can you verify that rap?
Can you type in Jeff Bridges and Colin Ferrell?
Crazy Heart.
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, it's a great movie.
It's a, he falls in love with a young 20 year old girl or something.
She's trying to put him kind of a calm and down.
He's another phenomenal actor.
So when you, when you did Iron Man with Robert, was that, was that Robert's comeback?
Yeah.
Is he, that's when it was like his second chance.
That was a chance.
That was his redemption.
And he earned it.
What?
He did credible story.
He did what he needed to do.
You know, and I can't be angry at him for the other choices.
It'll be like being angry at down Cheeto for accepting the role when he only had an hour to do it.
He wasn't going to calm and say, hey, hey, you're not doing this anymore.
That's not what happens.
You know, it's just,
there's a lot of things that I took personally that if you live, like I'm trying to live by the four agreements, you know,
being impeccable with your word, don't assume anything, don't take anything personal.
What's the fourth one, honey?
And always do your best.
So I'm trying to really apply those in my daily life, you know, and I, I pretty much, I keep to it.
I really try and stick to my word, but that's the thing that I break more than anything with myself,
which stops me from being like God is because I'm not keeping my word.
I'm setting things the bar too high for myself.
How much of making it in the game of Hollywood is the talent?
Is the business?
Is the humility?
Is the networking?
Is who represents you?
You know, I talked to, I don't know if it was Scottie Pippin or whoever I was talking.
I said, what's more important?
A superstar, if we want to build a championship team, is a superstar the most important?
A strong coach, owners, GM, rank them, put them in order, and it was kind of going through it.
What does it take for somebody to make it and stay up there for 10, 20 years?
The first you have to have thick skin.
You can't take things personally.
You've got to be able to walk away, you know, from your own emotions or your own feelings about something.
You cannot take anything personal because they're just trying to make the production.
And the truth is, all you are is a piece of talent.
So then the humility comes in there and you recognize your position in this like I was doing a film with Shyla Buff and Robert Redford.
And this was recently?
This is about seven years ago and Shyah, I remember him running to hit his mark.
And after the EL cut, he would go right back to number one and wait there quietly.
Now this is him after all of his success, but he always went back to number one so that the AD can get everything organized.
I learned to do that, to go back to your place.
So the humility, not taking anything personal, but you have to have the talent.
You have to have life experiences so you can tell those stories.
If you don't have those, then it's just going to be a dull mirror that you will never see the proper reflection to.
And then the final thing, if it's four things, the belief in self.
Because you can have the talent, you can have the opportunity, you can have the humility, you can have the understanding.
But if you don't believe in yourself, it's going to be clearly seen on the on the screen.
Shyla Buff also, he also had a complicated upbringing with his father as well.
They need to a movie that they put it on Amazon and what was it called?
Not Sunny Boy, it's something that's honey boy, honey boy, honey boy.
I think there's what can you type it is, I want to say correctly.
Is it honey boy?
Yeah, it's honey boy.
And you know, there's a clip of him putting the video in front of his dad.
I think he was saying this to Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon wanted to do.
And he said, I just want to watch my dad's reaction.
He just recently had some issues that came up in the news.
He got into a fight.
I don't know what happened with them.
Another one of those guys.
Real anger.
We are all coming here for a reason.
And we've got something to deal with.
It's like it keeps popping up.
Is that it?
But is it almost like, you know, in comedy?
Yes, D.
Are you almost, do you benefit in a weirdest way, a weird, tough, challenging upbringing for you to be able to tap into those emotions?
Yeah.
You need it.
But we're all damaged.
Good.
Every single one of us in every every or you can be a trained actor and they don't have life experiences.
But you resonate when you can see, oh, wait a minute, this is touching on something real.
Are there any great like goat actors that didn't have a tough, they're just trained actors that didn't have a lot to tap into?
I don't know.
They all say they're just trained and not relying on personal experience.
They say that.
Most of them don't, they don't tell you what they've gone through.
But the reality is I can only draw upon the things that I know, the things that I can go and look into somebody else's life or somebody else's path.
But I have to have experienced it enough to where I can now associate myself with it and then tell it honestly.
And you have to have gone through the darkness to know what it's like to be afraid of the dark.
If you've all lived a pretty life, you don't understand, you know, well, you may understand drug addiction.
Because a lot of people in privilege end up in that place.
But if you've never seen somebody doing coke, you don't know how to do that.
You don't even know, even like etiquette, there's Hollywood etiquette.
We don't know.
You don't know coming into it that if somebody offers you a cigarette, you know, you probably more should,
more than likely, should go out and have a cigarette with them, even if you don't smoke.
It's just in running Rome, do what the Romans are doing.
If they offer you a joint, you sit there and have a joint with them.
I didn't know that that was a reality that, you know, that allows people to come into the T.P.
Let's do these things together.
And if it's outside of your warehouse, then you say it's outside of your warehouse.
But because I didn't do coke, I didn't do all of those things.
And when somebody would pull it out, I would take a, you know, take a little step back with it.
I didn't realize that that was making me take a step back from them.
And a lot of people in this business took it that way.
Yeah. They're like, oh, you know, you can't trust him.
That's something. When you were telling me like, you never, you know, you never had any sexual encounters with actresses.
Actresses in this space, they're probably going to talk to each other.
He's a little weird. He's a little this.
Would that kind of happen?
Would you be an outsider?
Or would you, I was always, you yourself as an outsider?
Yeah.
Okay.
I was always with them.
Did they think you're an outsider?
No, that industry looked at you as an outsider.
Yeah. Because I didn't participate with all of the stuff that they were doing.
Even Jamie Foxx, he took me to, we had, we're hanging out.
And these two girls come over.
And Jamie's in the room with one of them.
I'm in the room with another one that I'm sitting there for three hours playing a guitar for her.
So Jamie tells these jokes that I'm over here bringing guitars.
It's been done for two and a half hours.
Yeah. It's like there's something that's happening.
But I'm over there because I did all that growing up.
I did that, you know, when I was young.
Is that a known thing from 4 to 13?
Like, do they know that on what happened to you?
Does the, does Holly know what happened to you?
I've never said it.
You've never talked about it.
I'm probably going to get it air full from my wife when, when I leave here about it, you know, it's, it's.
But the reason that I bring it up because you brought it up is.
We have to start protecting our children better.
You know, like we can't even let our child have our phone anymore because he looks up.
He looks up Nick and Judy from Zootopia, but he wants to see Nick and Judy naked.
And he thinks that if he looks it up, it's just because they, they, in Zootopia, they go into this little area.
And it's, it's, everybody is just free and not wearing any clothes.
This is really in the cartoon.
Yeah.
In a cartoon.
It's, it's like, what do you call it?
Is it porn cartoon?
No, no, it's not porn cartoon.
But it's like you're, you're doing it.
You're, you're, you're, uh, uh, nudist.
It's like inside of the cartoon.
There's this nudist colony in there.
And it's just animals being natural without any clothes on them.
Is there really a nudist colony in this cartoon?
In the first one.
There was this little nudist colony where, yeah, where they are at.
So my son goes and looks up.
Nick and Judy naked, but on the phone, that comes off as pornography.
And we're like, he's so upset that we won't let him have our phones anymore because anything can pop up.
Anything can pop up.
And I just want them to stay innocent just long enough so that they can get their balance.
I don't want them to have so many regrets that I have in my life.
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What a...
There's a pro and a con for having a father.
You don't choose your parents.
God chooses your parents for you.
It's just science.
I wish he was my dad.
I wish he was my mom and vice versa.
He chooses the kids for us to parent and vice versa.
And then...
But there's pro and con for them, right?
Like just like for us, you're growing up with your father and your mother.
And for me, I grew up in my own setting.
And how you manage that, how you maneuver with that.
Do you think for you like last time when you and I spoke,
I think we weren't Arkansas at the same time.
This was...
Yeah, it was nine months ago.
Eight months ago.
Yeah, I was doing turnbuckle, film, turnbuckle.
Not even nine months ago.
It was maybe November or October.
You're right.
It was probably November when we spoke.
And are you still getting the knock of bigger projects coming your way?
Oh no, after I sued Fox and Disney,
you go into the blacklist, permanent.
Until there's a new change of everybody inside of there.
So you're no longer on their main list of calling
because you've broken the cardinal rule, which is you never talk.
Even if you're being screwed over, you never talk.
You're supposed to keep that quiet and keep working as a good slave.
And I didn't do that.
I fought about some injustices that I felt was happening with me.
And you realize that the entire system is rigged
because they carry so much power.
And if you and everybody, either you work for Disney
or you want to work for Disney in this business.
Why?
Because Disney...
They went all the big grand star wars and everything.
Yep.
So how are you going to hire somebody that Disney is angry at as a producer?
And so you still stay within the independent realm
and you're building...
Is that all the way up to Bob Eiger or something?
Yeah, it goes all the way up to Dana Walden to all of them.
They have their list and you want to be on the good side of it.
But then you want to have your integrity at the same time.
You know, you don't want to just roll over.
You want everything to be balanced as much as possible.
So the big studios, they're still people that will call and look for me.
But now I'm at the point where I'm writing my books.
I'm more so trying to connect with people.
I don't want to play a character.
Even though something great comes around.
I'm there for it in a sense.
But I really want to connect with who Terry is right now.
You know, and do some healing.
Some inner healing that I wasn't getting with all the other stuff.
Are you...
If you never get any big job, are you completely resolved with that?
Oh my God, I've done my best.
I've gone...
I've murdered it on the screen.
I agree.
Yeah.
So it's like, do you want to do an impersonation of yourself the rest of your life?
If I've done that character before, I don't need to do that anymore.
And right now, it's a greater message of, okay, let us start reasoning again.
You know, like, did the entire thing with science and all of that?
And you come with all the stuff you're supposed to come with.
You come with the white papers.
You come with the patents.
You come with prototypes.
You come with, you know, new geometry.
And to have it obfuscated and ignored.
Like, since we talked on the last show, you don't hear any talks about science anymore.
It's all quiet out there.
They've...
Somebody went in there and they were like, okay, let's silence this conversation.
But you can't show me any point where I was debunked on anything.
Everything that I've said, they just chose to try and ignore it as much as they can.
So my goal is still this life-saving.
Did you ever sit down with Brian Keating?
No, Brian...
You know, they all get away.
And then if I call Eric Weinstein, he does the same thing.
Oh, hey, Terence, how are you doing?
But it's like, let's not engage.
Let's not engage.
Me and Dr. Yu, we still talk and move.
Really?
Or, yeah, we're still...
We ended up doing the Tesla Tech conference and...
Did you link up with the Space Force Commander?
Or did you guys...
No.
No, no, no, no.
You know what I'm talking about?
Yeah, but no, no, no.
This is Tesla Tech, that actual Tesla guy.
Not Elon Musk or anything like that.
Not associated with that.
But they introduced the understanding that our universe must be finite
in order for us to have conservation of energy laws,
which completely destroys all of their foundations
because most of their constants are based on the assumption of infinity,
of an infinite space, but in an infinite domain,
to separate a minute amount or a conserved amount of energy
across an infinite domain, you break conservation of energy laws.
The universe has to be bounded in order to have recursion
or to have the echo.
It's got to hit a wall in order for it to come back.
The expanding waves hit the edge of our universe
and the returning waves hit newly expanding waves
and that's when you get your first geometry.
So being able to prove that, let to the next steps of,
okay, here's the collapse of the constants now.
Let's take apart plank, let's take apart the fine structure constant.
Let's take apart all of these things
that they're holding everything up with.
So I'm still in the process of moving that,
and that's still the most important thing in my life
because there's life-saving things associated with it.
And especially when you look at where the world is right now,
I mean, how do you feel about everything that's happening with Iran right now?
You know, giving your roots from it.
I'm so happy that China came in and said,
hey, you guys aren't going to bully them completely
like you've been doing before.
And as a result, what does Saudi Arabia do?
Now, Saudi Arabia is no longer selling any, using US dollars,
you know, for their petrol.
The US dollar is done now.
We've just lost in the 12 months.
We've lost 9% of our purchasing power.
So if you had $100,000 last year,
it's only, you only have $91,000 now,
and it's steadily declining.
25 countries have jumped onto the bricks,
apart from those other five countries.
You know, we've got 39% of our world of the finances
now no longer being dependent,
and only 51% of the world is still using US dollars
and as the dollar crashes,
because Trump has a plan,
and his plan is, if you weaken the dollar,
then you can bring manufacturing jobs back over here.
But that doesn't work with the tariffs
that are being hit outside the world, you know?
Canada, we've just put it and pulls a thing on Canada
where they're not able to use the chip system anymore.
They're not able to use US dollars anymore.
So would a Canada do, would a carny do?
He set up and said,
okay, I'm gonna go and work with Beijing.
But on top of it, I'm going to ask for the war chest from NATO.
I want $12 billion because I've got to deal with an aggressive America.
And then on top of it, Canada said,
you know what we're going to do?
The 12 states that we give electricity to?
Every tear if you put on us,
we're going to put on the electricity that we were sending down to them.
And on top of it, we're not going to give you any of our minerals anymore.
You know, we're in a tight little bottleneck
that something has to go and our US dollar,
the HamEx, I don't know if you follow Silver.
What's happening with Silver?
I got it gold, record breaking numbers.
All of that in Silver has been suppressed.
You know, artificially suppressed for the last 50 years.
You know, JP Morgan just had to pay $920 million in fines
for the suppression of the Silver market
because of the paper contracts.
And now we have a different pricing for paper contracts of Silver
for futures here in comparison to actual Silver in Shanghai.
You know, there used to be an arbitrage you buy Silver here,
you know, for whatever amount,
even if it's $71 here.
And then you go over to China and you sell it, you know,
for the $88 that it's marked over there.
And well, now that arbitrage,
they're not playing with that anymore
because there's no Silver in the comics.
And we use over 1.2 million ounces of Silver
in all of our electronics.
And we use 20 grams of it in solar panels,
50 grams of it in every electric vehicle,
in every computer component.
And there's only 851 million ounces being produced a year.
And most of our Silver is coming from byproducts,
from gold mines, from lead, from zinc, from copper mines.
We only get about 20% of our Silver from actual Silver mines.
And China is hoarding it.
And out of nowhere,
JP Morgan, who has been fighting against Silver all this time,
now they got 750 million ounces of Silver.
And it's necessary for all of our electronics.
So Silver has the potential now to go up to being worth thousands of dollars.
It will become more even with gold.
I think it's like 1.31 now.
Or sometimes is that 50 to 1.
Now it's going to get up to about 13 to 1.
And typically when the precious metals go up,
the stocks are going down.
But for a minute, they had the stocks
and the precious metals going up at the same time.
I think gold was suppressed for a while,
because the typical triggers of printing money,
all that money we printed during COVID,
didn't cause gold to move as much.
So gold eventually caught up.
And I think it's needed to be at 5,000 for a while.
I think the 5,000 was inevitable.
Now the question is, how much higher can it go?
The more the US dollar weakens,
because the US bonds, China just sold 864 million,
864 billion dollars of its US debt.
Japan is selling its US debt.
Nobody's buying the bond.
So the yield rate is going to change.
And our precious metals is the only thing you can trust now.
So...
As your position with Bitcoin, where are you at with?
Oh, Bitcoin is going to die.
I don't mess with it.
You think Bitcoin is going to die?
Oh, you touched nothing with crypto.
I don't touch it.
Tell me why you think it's going to die.
Well, I just got a call from somebody a couple of days ago
and said, hey, if you got 25 million,
you know, you can make 75,000.
I just want to put it inside of an account
to do some stuff.
And this is a friend of mine.
And I was like, do you realize that Bitcoin is still based on Fiat?
And because the dollar is decreasing in its value,
because the uncertainty of war around,
nobody wants their money and something that can be wiped out
with a push of a button somewhere.
I've just stayed free and clear of it,
because it's been dropping a great deal.
I think it's at $61,000 now.
But it went from 18 to 40 to 60 to 125.
It typically goes through the process.
If you do a five year, if you go to a five,
and by the way, I have less than one percent of my portfolio
and Bitcoin.
So it's not like I'm a pro Bitcoin guy that's saying this to you.
Go to Max Rob.
Go to Max, if you look at it.
If you look at what the second one looks like as the first one,
do you see that?
Yeah, it looks like a twin.
Yeah.
That means we got, you know, we may be either at the bottom
or it could go a little bit lower.
But again, patterns change.
But we'll see what happened with that.
What concerns you the most?
You were saying all these things.
My challenges, if all these years these presidents
did everything to strengthen China.
Nixon opened it up and China went from being nobody
to they were worried because Soviet Union was too powerful
and they could catch up.
So they gave power to China.
They opened it up because they wanted China to beat Russia.
Well, then China didn't just beat Russia.
Passed up and became number two.
And now that could potentially compete with us, right?
So the number one creator of commerce for these countries
has been us.
Why?
America has been sold by a lot of presidents to other countries.
So finally, you got a guy that comes in that's like,
yeah, I don't know if I like these deals.
All these deals favor more the other countries than us.
But to be able to put the deals in place
is a very hard thing to do and to be able to pull off.
He's trying to do it all of a lot at the same time.
There's a 90% chance it's not going to work.
No.
But the 10% if it does, it protects you
in America's long term.
Do you believe that way or no?
Well, his ideals and approach
would have worked 40 years ago when you had the dollar dependency
that every other country, you know, if you wanted to trade
something you had to have US dollars.
So it kept our economy stable and strong.
We could print as much money as we wanted to
because we can always borrow money at very low rates
because everybody wanted to do a new business with us.
But now that the US dollar has lost,
it's no longer being, it's no longer,
it's turning into the sterling pound.
For 100 years, that was the money thing.
But now we can't push the things or use the force
that we were using 40, 50 years ago
because the dollar is no longer necessary in the world.
So we have to take a more diplomatic approach
to doing things.
I appreciated the strength by which he came out and was like,
hey, NATO, you've got to pay your fair share.
Hey, Canada, you've been taking advantage of us for years.
You know, with these trade agreements, China,
you know, you're doing the same thing.
But we don't have the staying power that we had before.
You've got to, it's a global economy now.
So when a major portion of that global economy
is being blocked up with trade embargoes and tariffs
and all of that, when everybody is talking now,
China is like, okay, great.
Great. Keep playing your game.
I'm going to keep the Belt and Initiative going out there.
I'm going to keep giving to these countries
that you're turning your back on.
I'm going to keep giving to them.
You know, I'm going to not ask them to change their
constitution.
I'm not going to force them into anything.
I'm going to keep things as good as possible with them.
China is doing the smart move.
Because now all of these countries
is turning on the U.S.
and turning to China.
Hey, China, you support us now.
Even Greenland, you know,
wants to have talks with China.
So we have to change our tactics
and get back to making friends
and being partners on the world stage
and instead of isolation,
because the isolation,
I love to strengthen him.
But we, you know, there's a time for a mess
and there's a time for brute force.
And we just, what happened in the Straits of Hermousse?
It's at right.
You know, here we're about to bounce on Iran
because of Israel not wanting to maintain our power there.
But what happens?
Well, now China sends its little boat,
its ships in there, Russia sends their ships in there,
and there's the standoff.
What do you think is going to end up happening?
The U.S. knows that we cannot strike Iran.
Without those ships,
all of them being wiped out
and starting this world war.
There's going to have to be a de-escalation of that
because Iran is no longer just an isolated country
without anyone helping it, you know?
Now it has the support of our two biggest rivals
and it has the support of everyone
that an enemy of my friend,
an enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So they're all turning to Russia,
like Bikina Faso turned to Russia, you know,
to ask for its help because why?
The colonialists are still trying to move
the stuff that they were doing before
against Ibrahim Tauré, President Tauré,
who wants trying to unify Africa and saying,
you know what, you're not going to take my gold
and process it in Canada
and then take it over and put it in the vaults and friends.
Now this is the gold that belongs to my people
and they're going to make a stand for their position
and their gold.
So what does Russia do since the U.S. is supporting France
in this move?
Russia goes and makes alliances
with President Ibrahim Tauré.
Now now that the war has just started and pushed off,
I look forward to seeing how Russia follows through
with supporting that, but I'm like the African nations
are all supposed to gather together,
but we are so used to being colonialized, you know,
of looking down at the ground and,
okay, here comes the Europeans, we've got a,
it's like no, they're taking it,
they've been taking advantage of Africa
because in order for the rest of the world to remain fluid,
they need to be able to buy cheap and raw materials
from Africa.
Sub-Saharan Africa has to maintain
and have to be impoverished
and then they use all of their things
that we're going to give you some money,
but that money is only to keep them in that impoverished state
and keep regimes in place
that's going to allow the continent to continue to be raped.
But if any moment Africa stands up
and demands a fair place on the stage
then the rest of the world economy is going to completely crash
and France is not allowing it.
They try to get Niger involved, you know,
and come in battle and they try to get Benin Toga involved
to come in some of the soldiers in Benin was like,
no, I'm not going to attack my brother,
but then other soldiers do.
So the world is in an unsafe place
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What's the most unhinged thing of these in three?
Steven, because he's so evil.
I do think he is misunderstood.
You see everyone base consequences.
It's intoxicating.
The writers just know how to trick.
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Would you think about that?
Because that was a pretty surgical.
Yeah, it's very surgical.
But it didn't turn into the chaotic.
And his answer was more the Monroe doctrine.
Let's protect the Western hemisphere, the downro doctrine,
making sure we're good, we're safe.
And America became America because we have a history of being an expansionist nation
where, hey, we'll buy Florida for four or five million.
Hey, we'll buy Texas.
We'll buy Louisiana.
We'll buy Alaska.
We'll fight for California and Arizona.
And we'll take, and now they're talking about, you know, Cuba
and they're talking about.
Yeah.
And by the way, I don't know if you saw that or not.
But Panama came out with the backing of US.
Panama came out and says, hey, China.
You're done.
You're done.
That's not a bad thing.
Because if China, I had a, I had a,
Christine Oman this week.
And I said, you know, now that we know the virus was leaked out of China.
Right?
And they could have done something about it.
For many years, they're like, no, you can't say that.
It didn't come from China.
It came from somewhere else.
Well, now we know it came from the Wuhan lab.
It's the Wuhan lab.
And they could have closed the airports down earlier.
You don't think they intentionally did that to leave it open.
Seven million people died.
The world economy lost $16 trillion.
China's not been held accountable yet.
You think China is trustworthy?
China didn't work by itself with that.
The US was involved with that.
Who was it that was involved from?
Everybody was.
Not everybody.
I think a lot of the countries that were complicit with it.
The ones that immediately were like, okay, we're going to go into this lockdown.
We're going to force this vaccination on everyone.
That, that was a coordinated effort.
That didn't, that didn't happen.
Hey, you know, I think you should do this to your citizens.
No, that's great.
But I think that was also some of the globalists and some of the establishment folks.
There's a play right now.
It's not the Republican and the Democrat thing.
No.
It's the globalists that want to make the whole thing a one world.
A whole new world, the new world order, whatever they're calling it.
And by the way, the world economic forum CEO just stepped on.
I think 10 minutes before you and I started speaking because he had ties to,
was it ties to Epstein that just came out?
Go up to the top, Rob.
Let me see the title of the article.
Go all the way to the top.
What does it say?
This world economic forum CEO quits after Epstein links examined
in video results, failed to wow markets as it happened.
So there's a lot of stuff that's going on right now.
And he's, he's got a tough job.
I think he's got a very tough job.
He looked like he was pretty loose, happy at the state of the union.
I thought he was going to be intense.
He came in, he did his thing for an hour and 48 minutes at 79 years old.
Yeah.
About to be 80 years old.
And just, he just lost a tear of ruling.
That's something to feed.
That's a public loss.
You know, listen, America's crushing it.
Yeah.
America's doing great.
He's the dawn.
He is Teflon Don.
You ever met him?
Have you guys ever?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's Teflon Don.
And I love his bravado.
And I love the strength that he pushes out.
You know, I, I supported a lot of the things that he was doing.
And I was never a Democrat in that, in that, in that support.
But I've never been, I've never voted.
Because I didn't want to be responsible.
You've never voted.
No, I didn't want to be responsible for what other people,
when you give a vote to someone, whatever they do, you, you have a hand.
And I was not supporting everything that was taking place.
But I didn't think that the Democrats was running the country in a proper way.
But there's, there's room for improvement.
Now within this administration.
And that's why I'm saying we should start using a little more tact
because nobody's threatened anymore by the threats.
Doesn't do anything, but causes the other nations to run to the enemy.
You have any desire of politics?
Does that all do anything for anything?
I can't see you.
Because to me, you give me the vibes of.
I'm honest.
Yeah.
Or try to be honest.
And that doesn't work in politics.
Yeah.
It's, there's, there's a showmanship element to it, right?
There's an element of, you know, how you shine on the big screen.
But doing that every day, you know, I can do it for a few hours on stage.
You know, but then I go outside and I'm a regular person.
I don't run with the bodyguard even though at times when I was doing the science,
I felt like I needed to because I kept getting hit by all of these.
Did any, did you, so you said you met, first time you met Trump was, uh,
I met Trump when I was doing, I think was, I don't know if it was Jimmy Fallon or David Kimmel.
And I was ready to go and do my thing.
And then they were like, oh, we're going to pull you because, you know, Trump is here.
You know, and so we passed by each other in the Hawks at a low, you know.
But I did support his, I did support him in the biggest way.
Privately, I, I supported that or not.
No, give me a hard time.
Everybody, you support who you want to support.
I did support a lot of his policies.
Where people in Hollywood like from the outside, it looks like 90% is, you know, on one side politically.
Are there a lot of conservatives that are in the business that just kind of keep it to themselves?
Yeah, I think so.
Are there some names that are massive names that if we knew they were conservative, you'd be shocked or not really?
Yeah, you, I think a lot more people, the older you get, you start off liberal,
but the older you get, you become more and more conservative because you realize that you have to be very careful with the steps you're taking.
More than anything else.
You know, fully agree.
Because he is the president of our country, you have to be supportive and be respectful of him.
Even if you don't like his policies, even if you don't like his personality,
I was told when I was studying to be a witness, he said, are you supposed to listen to the elders?
If you saw an elder that slapped another member of the congregation, would you listen to his advice?
If that same elder lied openly, would you listen to his advice?
And if that same elder denied, denied, you know, the Jehovah, would you still listen to him?
And I was like, no, no, you don't listen to him anymore.
And the brother said to me, he said, well, that same person was Peter.
He didn't just, he didn't just slap another member, he cut off the ear of someone.
He didn't just lie on, on anyone, you know, he lied about, you know, the Savior.
As long as somebody is in the position of authority that they've been granted,
you still listen and follow the authority and respect that position.
But you do it with a full conscience, with an understanding, you know, to become president twice.
The way he's done it, you know, 45th and 47th, he has earned the respect.
He is still the most powerful person on the planet.
And I really dig his dance, but I think there's times where you can use finesse.
He's charming.
You can use finesse to accomplish so much more because you don't have to use all the power that you've got, you know.
I feel like his second term, he's a little bit more calmer than the first term.
He's a lot more calm.
First term, it was like a fight every day it was a fight.
Well, they were trying to impeach him every single day.
So we put the president on into this PTSD mode.
And you know, he's always trying to defend that.
And he's, I don't think anyone becomes president of this country so that they can tear apart the country.
They're really trying to unite the country like even with what ice is doing.
They could do it in a more diplomatic way.
They can do ice.
Yeah, they can do it in a more respectful means you do not, if you use aggression, then you're going to start a revolution.
If you keep pushing with aggression, revolution ends up coming out of it.
But if you use diplomacy, if you use reasoning, you know, if you use understanding,
then people can align to your cause.
That was one of the things Nelson Mandela did.
It was like, yeah, I can get up there and become emotional.
You know, and talk about all these terrible atrocities that's happened in an emotional way.
He said, but then I'll just look at angry and emotional.
Said, you have to reason with people.
And so I think our government needs to take that stance because we don't have the power of the dollar that we once had.
Where we could have our way with other countries.
And I don't know if we can survive being an isolated, you know, country at present.
California.
Would you ever consider leaving California or not?
Well, now that they've enacted this new rule.
Well, tax.
Yeah.
A billion dollars.
And you can make your first billion.
But anything over a billion, 55% the first hundred million.
But then anything after that, it's a five percent tax.
It's a weird thing.
They think that's a good idea.
Who thinks that's a great idea?
Nobody.
They already lost the trillion.
This is the second time California lost the trillion.
Yeah.
They're about to do it again.
Well, they did it already.
They lost the trillion in the last six months.
Yeah.
And they're going to now impose this new tax, those wealth tax.
It's going to chase all the businesses out of California.
And I'm going to knew some he's he's trying to fight against it.
It's not something that he wants to put in place because he saw what happened the last time they pulled that.
But I think there's a particular reason.
I think somebody else is trying to get the power and the money out of California.
So they can move in it.
I don't know.
But it seems very coordinated.
It doesn't seem like something that's just happening out of a win.
You don't chase away the money.
You don't chase away money.
When he's doing the Jerry Man drink in California.
Now the Congress is going to be 48 to four Democrat to Republican.
Yeah.
Even if a governor wins and he's a Republican, you can't do nothing.
You can't get nothing to be Congress is not going to be on your side.
Like, what do you think you're going to pass?
Nothing.
If you become a governor during the city of California.
So have you reached a tipping point where you guys talk about leaving and leaving elsewhere or not yet?
We're thinking about leaving the U.S.
Because the U.S. isn't necessarily safe and welcoming right now.
You can't, you try and think about, okay, where can I live?
Well, I definitely want to live in a place where they don't have a military base.
Because what?
Because of the escalation and the conflicts around the world.
And now the U.S. the homeland can be hit.
Well, you can't be in Ken and in Hawaii because Hawaii, you know, they have a budget everywhere.
Everywhere.
You can't be in California.
You know, you can't be in Florida.
You can't be in all of these places has that that are easily excessive.
Not Florida.
Well, what would you consider Florida?
It's just open.
I love Florida.
But the waters are open.
I didn't take you, Terrence.
You would love the restaurants in Miami.
I can see you guys in Miami or public or, man, they're moving here and they're making it safer here.
But you can't make it safe for ballistic weapons, missiles.
You know, it's, you want some places.
Or we'd go outside the U.S.
They would.
Iceland.
Iceland is it.
I tell you you're going to say Costa Rica.
I think you're going to say like a low-key, quiet, no military state.
Iceland is no military.
Iceland is.
You could live in Iceland.
Oh, yeah.
We've been a couple of times and we love it.
But we want to place that, that's, you know, that's non-confrontational, you know.
That's what you ultimately want.
You want to place where your kids can grow.
Because I've got two kids on the spectrum.
And I worry about how people are.
I need to be in a place where, you know, you have your water.
You have the thermo, the heat there.
You know, the dollar cash is going to disappear.
I think that's one of the biggest things that's hurting humanity.
You know, is this indirect form of exchange, you know, that that's messed up the natural interaction.
When people bartered, you know, there was a good exchange.
Nobody felt like they were being taken or anything like that.
I think ultimately as we become more conscious, we will get to a place like that.
How close are you to making a decision to leave the state?
You guys, is that closer to still in the talks?
I mean, we may move to Korea.
But then that's a big spot.
Because we're hurt, she's Korean.
But you have what's happening with North Korea.
You know, in all the military bases in Korea.
I just want to move to a place even if it's, if it's, you know, New Zealand.
You know, a place with no conflict.
I fought enough in my life.
I don't want, I don't want to fight anymore.
I don't want to fight anymore.
Where do you feel the most at peace?
What city?
What area?
Hmm.
Dad, I don't know.
I don't know the, but there was a great deal of peace, you know.
Even when I was in Prague, you know, Czech Republic at other times.
Not that first time.
First time.
It's a bit of a, it's a lot of beating around going on with ice.
Beating around a bush.
But I did.
Somebody just watches the clip myself.
They have to go watch the whole podcast.
Because you will not know what reference we're talking about.
Shout out to Czechoslovakia.
My first girlfriend was from Czechoslovakia in Germany at 11 years old.
Her name was Katarina Stav.
First girl ever was Katarina Stav.
And her brother with good friends of mine.
Yeah, I fell in love a few times over there.
They produce good products over there.
Yeah.
Very.
But the historicity of the city.
I mean, to even going over the Charles Bridge and you look at all of the different statues
that's been, and this is 600 years old.
Is that a pod, like, would you consider Prague?
Yeah.
Prague, I love that place.
All right.
I love that place.
Prague is interesting.
Yeah, to me, like, I'll go to a place and I'll say, okay, how do I feel?
You know, I want to get the vibe, like, and also depends what phase of your life you're in.
Yeah.
You're selling a company and tension.
It's high.
You're like, you may have bad memories of the place.
But if you go to a certain place and you just can put your feet up, relax, enjoy, go eat good food.
Any city I go to, Terence, if the food isn't good, I'm not happy.
I want good food.
I want really good food, entertain, you know, go enjoy yourself.
Yeah, I think you may want to put Florida on that list.
You may want to consider Florida.
Florida will treat you well.
She looks like she's okay with Florida as well.
We've talked about it, the tax incentives here is a beautiful package.
But when this place is under it, when we have these many conflicts taking place, you know, with Cuba right now, you know, if something does happen, I think Florida would be one of the first places that they hit.
So I'm just thinking about where can I be, where families will be safe in the little matter where you go, no matter where you go.
There's going to be something.
You got to pick and choose which one you want to talk about, which one you want to pick.
Last time we were together, I don't know how did he conversation came up.
That one, you remember that when we talked about the diddy conversation where I think he wants to, you know, you did.
Yeah, I think he's trying to get it at you.
And then afterwards, he obviously went to prison, court, all that stuff has been done.
And I don't know if you had a chance to watch a 50 cent documentary.
Yeah, I saw it.
Would you think about it?
Um, 50 went in.
He went all the way in, but it's like when you start judging people for the choices that they've made, you don't know the conditions and circumstances that they were put under.
You know, like I think about those girls that did that to me when I was four.
What did they learn it from?
Who did what to them that made them think it was normal to carry this thing out?
You know, I think that a lot of us get caught up in habits that was passed down to us that aren't necessarily innate from us.
But they get passed on to us.
So I've got to look at him, you know, with compassion because you got to remember he's still, he's still us.
You look in his eyes.
It's the same light of God that shining back is just another wave of the universe.
Did he come on diddy?
You know, even Epstein, all of them, what one human being does, all human beings are doing.
Because we're just really what happens in the sea over here.
We don't say this wave just grabs an interesting thing to say when what if one human being does.
So, meaning someone taught Epstein, someone taught Diddy.
When I had a chug night on chug night said, who did he say Rob that taught Diddy?
He gave a name.
Clive Davis, he said Clive Davis.
Yeah, he talked about that with Clive that early on and.
And then so probably somebody taught Clive and this thing keeps did.
Did you hear any stories about Epstein and Hollywood or he wasn't a Hollywood?
No, I mean, not hell.
When I would hear about Chris Tucker and people hopping on the, hopping on the plane and go there, I didn't.
I didn't know that Epstein was, you know, the bad guy that he is now.
But I was like, damn, I would love to go, you know, I didn't know what was happening.
No one talked about Epstein.
No, nobody.
Harvey, they did, but not Epstein.
They didn't talk about Epstein.
I didn't know.
But hell, I could have easily ended up over there if he had invited me over there.
Because you think, okay, I'm going with the Hollywood move.
That's how you get there.
Like I wasn't invited to the Puffy parties.
I wasn't invited to any of those things.
So that's.
There's a part of me that's so grateful that I wasn't invited.
But back then I felt excluded.
Back then I felt like, oh, I must be doing something wrong.
You know, I'm.
I wish I had participated in some of the drugery.
You know, and then wouldn't have alienated people that were good friends with my, that could have been good friends.
You know, because I still ended up participating in the drugery when I got older.
But at the time, at the time, I just didn't want to do it because, you know, I had these other things that were pressing upon.
You know, I didn't get stuck into drugery.
You know, but yeah, it would have been nice to take some walks.
You know, when I look back, you know, in my third year.
It could have ended nasty.
It could have ended.
It's the fact that you didn't.
It's probably a better thing.
So the universe places you, you can't really regret anything.
You know, but there's still parts of me that's like, wow, I dodged a bullet with Epstein.
I dodged a bullet because I wasn't invited to those places.
You know, but at the time, I didn't see it.
I heard Denzel say once how he used to be so upset about Kevin Spacey.
Now, Kevin Spacey was getting everything.
He had all these beautiful opportunities that even him after everything had done.
He wasn't getting what he needed.
And then, but I remember him saying, I wouldn't want to be Kevin Spacey now.
So he was upset that Kevin was getting the opportunities.
Yeah, I'm sure he used to really want, because Kevin got a lot of great challenging stuff.
And it was just in, and I'm not completely sure of the full context.
But hearing him say that, hearing that, that statement.
And it was something he said in an interview that made me rethink.
Yeah, I'm so glad that I didn't have those opportunities that I thought I needed and wanted at the top.
Denzel seems like he had influence over you in your career.
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Honorable man.
Yeah, he gave me some other advice once.
I did this table read, and I got loud, and then he took me outside.
He said, listen, say you're walking down an alley, dark alley.
And there's somebody at the end of the alley talking about.
I don't kill you, you mother ever.
I don't kill you.
And, you know, he may be serious, but he said, how afraid of him, are you?
He's all the way at the end of the alley.
He said, but if someone comes up to you and they say, I'm a catcher at the road.
Which one are you more afraid of?
The one yelling, or the one whispering.
And so it made me stop being obnoxious in my act.
Wow.
You know, what a powerful advice to give.
Sometimes the lowest tone can be scarier than you having to scream.
That's the power of God whispers.
God never yells.
You know, we did this whole conversation today, and we haven't even talked about all this other stuff.
So first one was all about God, but this was a phenomenal conversation.
See, if you were in Florida, we would do this more often.
I'm going to keep telling Florida to you.
But you did great.
You did great.
I mean, the last hotel there, that wasn't, you didn't know.
You didn't know, but the four seasons, this entire trip.
Yeah.
Where are you staying at?
Over at the four seasons now, man.
And you did.
Awesome.
It's a beautiful, it's a beautiful place.
So thank you for taking care of me.
Anytime.
No, anytime.
I'm bringing me back here.
You know, I didn't plan.
I didn't know what I was going to talk about.
Yeah, you know, I thought about it.
I'm like, you know what?
And even when we started, you said some things, and I took the notes.
And I said, I don't know, man.
I just want to go a complete different direction.
And I'm glad I did, because the conversation was phenomenal.
I learned a lot.
Me too.
I learned a lot of phrases you use.
We laughed.
We learned history.
And by the way, I'm sure a couple of the single guys are watching this.
They're going to use our line, Rob.
Still our house.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But anyways, empty the storage container.
empty the storage container.
It was wild.
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Thank you, Rob.
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Amen.
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