The Fix-It Show 9-19-26: Certa Pro Painters

0:00When it comes to home repairs, we could all use a guy. Well, we've got the guy. And we've got the show. For all your home improvement questions, we've got answers. This is The Fixed Show on WTMJ, presented by J&B Construction, and signing unlimited. Now here's your host, Dayton Kane and David Nason. Welcome to our number two, it's 808 on a Saturday, and Matt Hefter from CERDA Pro Painters joining us in studio. Good morning. Good morning, Matt. So you guys are weather-dependent on the exterior stuff. How's this rain affecting schedules and what's happening on your end of things? Well, it's not fun, it's challenging. But there's hit or miss if the wood's still wet. We can still do some carpentry and things like that. But we shifted a lot of interior costar rumors, and we moved them up into schedule if they're available. And focus on the interior and get as much to the exterior as caught up as it'll stop, eventually. Well, this week's supposed to dry out, it looks like after 10 hour.

1:03And we've had generally a pretty dry season. And we cover so much area too, that it gives us an opportunity that it might be raining and mocha, but Western Walker, Jacconi, it's not, or up north a little bit more south, we can move people around. That's good. So you cover all of Wisconsin, where do you go? Yeah, Certaprol, my business specifically is mostly Southeast from Wisconsin, northern Illinois, but Certaprol covers pretty much everywhere, where you can hear us on TMJ. Okay, good. And so your painting exteriors through when? It just depends on the weather? You know, that has been traditionally through October. And usually we're winding things down the first week of November, but if it's dry and it's warm enough, we'll continue to paint. I've had years where we painted all the way through November, because the weather was great. And then I've had years where we were starting to like mid-October. The next day it turns. And then after the winter. Yeah, so we definitely, we definitely is we're getting into November.

2:05We are watching the weather patterns pretty tightly and stuff like that. But later in the season, actually really good time, your paint dries a little slower. It's really dry. Not now, but as you get into close to November, things start to get really dry. And that's a good time to paint. Yeah, exterior work. You get out there, people say, when should I look at this kind of stuff? Well, fall before you go and hibernate for the winter. And then spring, you come back out and you look at stuff that happens. So yeah, it's a really good time to exterior work. And when you're thinking about it, if it's 98 degrees, not the best time to paint the next interior, you got to paint the shade. Not only just for the employees, this, you know, stay cool and hydrated and all other stuff, but you want paint to dry slow. You don't want it to dry super fast and flash it. You know, interior is a little different story, but exterior is you want it to be a slow dry process so it can soak into the wood and bite. So rumor has it you paint everything but toenails. What else do you guys do at CERTA Pro? We do just about everything. Ancillary services. So we're kind of on stop shop. If you have carpentry, you need done.

3:05We can take care of your carpentry, replace your wood. And then paint, if it's interior work, drywall repairs, plaster repairs, textures, you know, wallpaper, wallpaper installation, wallpaper removal. I mean, there's just, and by the way, that's coming back. Holy surge this year. Yeah, I'm asking for not the whole house, but like accent walls and like one bedroom or something like that. We're seeing a little bit of a boom in wallpaper. Yeah, went to the parade of homes in O'Conanwalk. I didn't make it to Minami Falls. I think you did. But number of rooms in those homes had wallpaper. Yeah. And it's not the, like you get, remember the grandma's wallpaper with like little tiny flowers and stuff. It's cool wallpaper. I mean, it's very modern. Infect to it's not the thin stuff. Somebody said vinyl wall covering at one of them. So vinyl is more of a commercial type wall paper, right? It's a commercial covering. But it's moving into the inside of houses too.

4:06Is that easier to get off? It's a prep work. Because that was always the thing about wall paper. It's so hard to get off the wall. It can be when you remove, you know, hundreds and thousands of pounds of it. You get really good at it. Right. The trick in the wallpaper removal is patience and take your time. So literally we'll take rubber gloves, scolding hot water. We don't put any chemicals on it initially, right? Scrolling hot water. And we just go around with a sponge and we're soaking the wall to get the glue to release. And once that wall paper starts to pull, don't go in with any tools to scrape it off. Because you just gouged your walls up and then you have to do all these drywall repairs. You just start the pull on the wall paper. And if the wall covering is installed properly and it's eyes and all these things, you're not going to tear off the paper and all that stuff. It'll come off actually pretty easy, but you got to be patient. Be impatient. It actually goes faster. If you look at the whole process where if you're in your galogen with five and one tools and scrapers and, you know,

5:08the worst thing you can do is you go to Home Depot and they'll give you the little scoring tool. So now you just turn your one sheet, you could pull off and maybe two, three pieces into like 400 pieces of wall paper and you're pulling off. So stay away from the scoring tools. And then once the paper is off, then you can use, you know, a little bit of wall paper stripper or something like that. And then you can wash it or you just use soap and water, but you can wash the glue resin off. You ever get asked to paint wall paper because I've seen wallpaper painted? Yeah. Are you like, no, we're going to take the wall paper off and then we'll paint your wall? Generally, it's best to take it off. Of course. There are ways that, you know, you can pull seams and things like that. But the concern is that you paint over wall paper is if it was installed properly, not installed properly, we'll start the bubble, we'll start to release, you know, because moisture can activate things. So we prefer to pull it off, but, you know, it is, you know, in some commercial applications, then we're going to move, move, move, go, go. Oh, yeah. You know, we can, you know, skim a coat over the seams and, and prime and paint it. And if anything, bubbles will just take that out and again, patch it.

6:10Sure. Matt's with us all this hour. Get your calls and text in at 855-616-1620. Check them out, surdapro.com. It is a FixItShow on WTMJ. Get her done. It's the FixItShow on WTMJ. Dayton Kane and David Nason with you good morning, Rainy, a high of 69 today at 60 in Milwaukee. If you're in the southern part of the listening area, you're probably getting wet right now. Yeah. You're up north. Looks like, looks like, looks like it's, yeah, it's all safe. Yeah, it's all safe and self. So unfortunately, that's, that's where a lot of flooding occurs. So hopefully everybody's ready for it. Yeah. Matt is on from surdapro with us this hour 855-616-1620. If you have questions for him, let's get into a couple of texts. Right. So somebody texted in. Do you know about resurfacing garage floors? And I know the answer to that. The answer is yes. You do, right? Yes. And I'm reading that. The epoxy is out of favor due to failure and extreme temperature changes in winter.

7:10So expansion and contraction, it's not going to move as much with the concrete. It's a little bit more brittle than, you know, palliates, spartex, palliarias, things like that. Or it can have more flex to them. So that's true. It just depends on, you know, if it's more of an interior slab or, you know, if it's an exterior slab, you're going to see a lot more extremes. Is it under sun, you know, or is it undercover? So that's what we're doing. Exactly. And we come out there and there's our estimates are free. We come out there. We take a look at it and then we give you the best recommendation. There are times where epoxies are appropriate, you know, and we use epoxies in commercial applications. If you need something to, if you have the time and you have a large square footage and you want to have your epoxies really soak into the concrete, it's not the end of the world. It's just a lot of the epoxies that are installed in residential applications are these thin mill epoxies and they just don't have the expansion contraction whereas if we're broadcasting into the epoxy and building up the mill thickness, the thicker it is, the more it can expand and contract.

8:13But generally for residential floors, we're going in with palliarias, palliars, spartex, and that's what we stick with. And the reason for the palliars, spartex is, well, it flexes more. It grabs better. So you still got to grind your floor and put a good scratch on it and then get it to be white. So there's no sealants or anything on there, but you grind it to give it a good bond. And then you're just going to have a better mechanical bond. Literally, when we mix up the palliars spartex and it's stuck to the bucket and you can pull on it and stretch it, it's very flexible. And with an epoxy, you basically have a bumper warranty. There's nobody's going to go out there and warranty an epoxy floor on a residential application for anything much more than maybe a year, maybe two, with our system that we installed to 20 year warranty. And it's also... And it's backed up by the manufacturer too. And it's UV stable. Yes, so that's the other thing.

9:14So if you have an apron, that's the edge that's outside of the garage and you're coating and you don't want your garage floor to have a break and you want to cope beyond. So that way when you open up your garage door, it's all covered. Maybe you have an asphalt driveway and you don't want to see that strip of concrete between your floor and your asphalt. Our products that we install are UV stable. Unlike epoxes or not, UV stable. So the epoxes will tend to yellow. Yellow. Yeah, so we had... I was explaining, we had a question a couple weeks ago you weren't on, but that apron on their floor was yellowing. And they wanted to know if you can go over that, just that section and you're explaining your own cancels. Well, you can do anything, but it's not the right thing to do. Yeah, the right thing to do is in that situation is maybe cut a keyway underneath the garage door and then you grind that section off and then just install a UV stable product with the same color. Flake chip system. If something we installed, it would be easier, much easier to do. Right.

10:14But you know, in fact that it's not likely something we installed, we just got to make sure we get the right chip blend and things like that. You want your garage floor coded? CERDAPro.com is a website. You can go there, fill out the form for a free estimate if they do that. One does somebody call them back. Well, you can go right on the website. You can call 1-800. You can schedule it yourself. If you go right on the website, 90 plus percent of our customers, maybe 95 percent. Don't request a call back. They just schedule their appointment right on the website or they call 1-800-Gl-CERDA and we're open seven days a week. So for call center. Okay. CERDA-With-A-C, CERDAPro.com. We will be right back with Matt Hefter, 855-616-1620. If you have questions, it is a Fixit Show on WTMJ. Advice, you can use. It's the Fixit Show on WTMJ. Dayton Kane and David Nason here with Matt Hefter from CERDAPro. Painter, Cedarburg, wine, harvest festival going on today.

11:15If they can dodge, well, Cedarburg's up north enough. Maybe they'll be okay. Bring your boat. It's going to be wet. There's a flood watch in effect for much of the area today and tomorrow. What's the river up there in Cedarburg? That's probably flowing pretty good. I probably can't think of what it is. You were mentioning doing the garage floors, but you also said you can do that in the basement, right? You can do that coding. Yeah, I mean, go down into your basement if you got a little water down there. Obviously, the main solution is drain tile. But, you know, for people that just occasionally get wet or whatever it is, we do a lot of basement floors. And it can really, I mean, I can tell you there's been a hot trend that we've seen over the last couple of years where we've been doing it. We've come in, we spray dry fall on all the open exposed rafters and all the woodwork and everything. We spray it out black, okay? We spray it out black, okay? So black dry fall. And then we put a garage floor system, basically a chip system, decorative floor. And then next thing you know, you paint the walls and you didn't go through a $50,000 to $100,000 basement remodel.

12:16But you have a space that is an entertainment area with ping pong tables and all kinds of different things. So we can transform your basement floor and the nice thing about is it seals your floor. So if you ever do have any backup or anything like that, wipe it up, we'll bleach water and clean it right up. We probably have a lot of people going dry fall. What, what, what are you putting on my basement floor? Oh, yeah. Well, dry fall is, so yeah, it's more of a commercial term, right? So when we spray it out, it literally dries. It dries before it hits the floor. So we put down plastic, we spray it all out and then it just drops onto the floor. It's not wet. So it's not atomized to the air. Not floating. Yeah, you know, it is made weighted to dry, dry quickly and drop to the floor. So if you look at commercial applications, or probably exactly where we're here, you know, at third market. Metal boxes and metal wheels. You'll see everything sprayed out, you know, in a black color or something like that. That's typically dry fall. So the guys that are applying that are fully like. Yep, they're suited up.

13:17Yeah, they're suited up. But you know, again, by the time it hits them, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's late. It's, it's, it literally atomizes to dust. So it dries. It falls dry. Yeah, I remember where I worked. We did it once. I knew what it was, but I'm just, I'm like, yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Another text came in at 85561616. Yeah. Could you please address rhino shield products? What are bad marketers? I talked about this before, I think it's just really thick. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to comment. Okay, I would say, I would say, you know, ultimately, I'm sure everybody has their own pitch and how they install. I believe that we're installing the best possible garage floor system that we can install because we put a 20 year warranty. I think that's the longest warranty on the market. Don't quote me on that, but it's, it's basically backed by the manufacturer and sort of pro that we're going to install your floor and stand behind. Do you think that's more referring to like exterior paint finishes?

14:18Well, you know, ceramic coatings, things like that. I think there's markets for them. Wisconsin where we have extreme expansion and contraction. I don't know if it's the best solution with wood. Yeah. And on top of it, will it, will it really last the amount of time that's pitched in the sale? Wisconsin, you know, I live out in the country. If you take anything and you just put it in your backyard, you can watch it decompose over about two to three years. Sure. Almost any metal barrels, anything. Yeah. It just deac the earth takes it back in Wisconsin. So put in a coating on your house and say this in last 30, 40, 50 years. I don't know. I mean, I kind of like to get on a cycle of every seven to 10 years, we're going to repaint your house and stand behind that. Or if it's wood, you'd much rather use something that's going to allow it to breathe, breathe, and expand and contract. You can actually take on moisture, dry that kind of thing. Yeah. When you isolate things, fly should be sealing up that seed or something. But like you said, everybody's got their own, you know, and I'm sure it's good in some markets.

15:22I'm just not a big fan of Wisconsin and not to mention. I mean, if you think about it, the largest paint manufacturers in the world, they're not doing it. So. SirtoPro.com is a website, Matt, with us for another half hour, 8556161620, the sighting unlimited WTMJ. Talk and text line, get your questions in. Now we go to Elizabeth Linton in the WTMJ Breaking News Center. Good morning, Elizabeth. Dayton and David. It's the Fixit Show on WTMJ. Indeed it is. Thank you for joining us on a rainy Saturday morning flood watching effect for much of the area. Rainy still today, a high of 69, 60 in Milwaukee. And we have Matt Hefter from SirtoPro on with us. Let's go to the phones at 8556161620. Roger in Appleton. Good morning. What's your question? Good morning. Thank you for taking my soul call. I've lived in my house since 1995.

16:23I've painted my exterior windows. They are aluminum, but they're chalking. And I don't know how to prepare the surface to take paint. So it typically you're just going to want to clean the surface really, really well if they've been previously painted. You want to make sure it's like time used to always say clean, dry and dull. So it's got to be clean. It's got to be dry and it's got to be dull. So usually you just want to make sure it's wiped very, very clean. Basically soap and water can do that. And then at that point if there's no bare aluminum, you can just paint over it with a couple coats of paint. If it's down to bare metal or you were to paint aluminum bare, then I would usually recommend like a bonding primer to make sure it's dry. So the first coating really bites to the surface really well and then put two coats of paint over the top of it. And I would probably go with a little bit of a sheen, like a satin finish or something like that. It'll hold up a little longer.

17:25So what kind of paint I misunderstood that part? You know, you can any of the major manufacturers we use a lot of Sherry Williams paint. And you want to just make sure it's an exterior, great paint. The paint would work pretty good, you know, tears like that. And then again, if you have bare aluminum, aluminum, I would use a bonding primer. Most manufacturers have a bonding primer. It's just a very aggressive bonding coating that is going to grab on bite to the metal a little bit better because it's usually a little shiny. And you mentioned dull. So what if it does have a little bit of a shiny, you have then I would gloss it? I would put a you can deglauss it if you want, but I would put a bonding primer on it. Tint the primer close to the color or at least a dark gray or something if it's a real dark color. Tint the primer a little bit and then put a bonding primer on it and two coats of paint. Okay, it's white. So I'm assuming the bonding primer would be white. Yeah, exactly. There you go. Okay. All right, Roger.

18:26Thank you for listening to that. I'm like, I'll have a great good luck. Good weekend. 855-616-1620 if you have questions. So we did have another text. My house was built in the 50s. I have a bedroom with two paneled walls and I hate it. Exclamation mark. What's the best solution? Well, the paneling, there's going to be two solutions to it. One is the paneling is over drywall and it's usually glued on. So in that case, we would pull off the paneling. Depending on the disarray of the drywall, we're going to skin coat, scrape off the glue, things like that. And then maybe apply a texture or something like that to the walls. Some of these walls, the paneling is right up against studs and there's insulation behind them. If it's actually from the 50s, it might be actually wood paneling. Yeah. And if that's the case, you can do one of two options. And again, we would want to be on site to make the right decision. But the one thing we want to watch is your outlets. So we want to keep that same distance. So if we remove off that paneling, we're going to want to put in drywall that is going to not have to have you reset all your outlets.

19:27But if there's no drywall behind it, then we're going to pull off the paneling and obviously install drywall. I don't know. I was in the right homes the other weekend and that paneling, not quite paneling. A lot of the homes had these wood walls, like vertical, flat walls. It was like in like five of the six homes we went through. Were they were they white? No, almost. No, they were color. Really? Yeah, it was interesting. I was like, this is a thing again. Man, if that's coming back, wall paper is coming back and wood paneling. Yeah. We just we just went 15 years. It was like a wood paneling that I remember from my basement that was built in the 80s, but it was a wood panel. Yeah. It was interesting. I've seen the like the Wains coating, the lower level, you know, about three, four feet off the ground. I've seen that. I've seen, you know, some people do it, even in the accent wall. That's what it was. Yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah.

20:27Interesting. Okay. So we're painting, we're fixing drywall. You've mentioned that wood rot. Like if somebody's going to paint their house, you guys can take care of that before you use it. We have to, the paint's not going to stick to rotted wood. If it's saturated wood, it's not going to stick. It doesn't? No. Because I see that everyone wants to put on a paint. Doesn't matter what magic paint you use. All you got to do is touch it a little bit. And my finger was right through the wood. Yeah. So, I mean, if there's a, let's say the wood's got good integrity and there's, you know, a quarter inch or half inch hole or something like that. Okay. We can, we can use a wood filler or a bond door or something like that too to solve that problem versus pulling out a beam or something like that, right? But generally if the wood's rotting, replace it. And then, you know, we do our priming and painting and make sure that you don't have to chase it. Because if you just kind of patch it, sometimes it just comes back to haunt you two, three years later. And you're back to painting again. And I've told people that if you're going to replace a piece of trim, like maybe a wood fascia or something, the end is deteriorated.

21:29It's in contact with the shingles or something like that. You really should be replacing like a six or eight foot piece. And if you put a one foot piece on the end, that's the part that's damaged. Little pieces of wood are not very stable. Well, you have to, you're right. Because you have to, you know, if it's a fascia, you have to nail that in. So do you want, you know, two nails in one board and two nails in another board? Or do you want at least six to eight? Exactly. I mean, the reality is, is you're right. It's probably four, six feet is the minimum. Yeah, even with deck boards too. Yeah. You got to be securing it in multiple places. Yes. Otherwise, it's just going to twist, warp, crack, whatever. And you're going to be replacing it again. Yeah. I agree. You guys do it the right way. You can book a appointment right there. Get a free time on any of this home and deck staining. They do vinyl aluminum painting, stuckle repairs and painting, power washing. You guys kind of are, you, you, you repairs, drive it repairs. I mean, when we first started, we started a little business.

22:31We were in Walgitosa, Wisconsin. And I remember to this day, 20 years ago, pushing the baby down the stroller, down, you know, up and down the streets, begging people to paint their front doors. And it's really grown from interior painting and exterior painting to just serving our customers. I mean, we're not getting into like full-siding projects or kitchen remodels or anything at stuff. But we, we, anything attached to painting that needs to be taken care of, whether it's wood replacement or getting into like wallpaper coatings, even doing the concrete coatings and the garage floors and the basements. We've just expanded out to, to just kind of be a service provider for our customers. And the garage doors, my doors still look beautiful. We wood grain them that right. Yes. I get so many compliments on it. Compliments. They look like real wood. Yes. It's crazy. And what color are they in the beginning? White or? They were white. Yeah. And now they look like wood grain. Right. So, it has a cool technique. Yeah. I think Mark did that job, right? Mark was out there. Sounds familiar? Yeah.

23:31Certapro.com. We'll be right back. It is the FixItShow on WTMJ. If it needs fixing, we can help. It's the FixItShow on WTMJ. Kenosha Italian Fest going on today. Grab an umbrella and head down there. Yeah. And you're going to be ready. A wash is ready, especially to the west today. A chance of flooding. So, there's a watch out there for some of the areas. So, be ready for that. I have 69 today. It's 60 in Milwaukee. Matt Hefter from Certapro on with us. 855-616-1620. If you have questions for him. When it comes to people joining, are you guys hiring at all times looking for good painters? Or were you at with that process? We have been hiring since 2007. Yeah. Because we're always growing a little bit every single year. So, we're always hiring. We're not only hiring right now, painters and tradesmen and carpenters and things like that. But we're actually hiring staff. We just, the market right now, you know, the unemployment, there's just most people are working.

24:31Yeah. So, what we're finding is people are leaving a job and coming to us. We have a rock star culture. It's just a lot of fun and a lot of people enjoy. We have a lot of people that stay with us for a long time because we have so much fun in what we do. It's hard work for seven months a year. But then as you get into the winter months, you get your break, you get more time with family over the holidays, things like that. So, yeah, if you're interested in a job and you don't know what, you know, your talents are and it could be anything we do. But we hire everything from bookkeepers all the way to people that manage. And we were talking off the air. We even had, you know, mature painters that have been doing this stuff for 30 years that just come to our business and say, hey, I'm not, I'm not willing to climb up a ladder 24 feet again, you know, anymore. But what I am willing to do is I got a lot of stuff in my head. Yeah. Can I help train or develop your next-gen painters and can I go on job sites and supervise? And it's like, yeah, absolutely. And what does that process look like if somebody's coming in and wants to be a painter?

25:34How do you test for that to know they're good at what they do? So, we'll vet painters. We have a pretty good size office in all the different offices we go to and we just have them come in and we observe. Because a lot of times, you know, a lot of guys will come in and say, oh, I've been painting forever, I know everything. Okay, show us. And so, look, come in and that's our vetting process. And then if they're good and they're just not quite there, we can train, right? But if, and then, you know, we do have some guys that will come in with no experience, but they've got a good head, they want to be a painter, they want to learn from scratch, and then we'll buddy them up with like a two-man team. Like a friend is this? Yeah, and then it's not a formal program, but we will train them all the different techniques for inter-exture painting. And you'd be surprised those can sometimes turn out to be your best painters. Because they come in the door, they're a sponge, they listen, they don't know it all, and they just absorb and listen from the guys that have been doing it for a long time. But they have the right attitude.

26:34Yeah, and they're showing up. Yeah, that's, that's number one. I think there's a lot of employers to say. You have a show up. Yeah. Well, in Wisconsin, I found that we've got pretty good work at. Yeah. In Wisconsin, in general, you know, it's pretty solid work ethic in the state. And that's with us for one more segment. So if you have questions, this is a last opportunity, 855-616-1620. Search pro.com, search with the C. It is a fix it show on WTMJ. Making it a great fix today. It's the fix it show on WTMJ. Sponsored each week by J&B Construction and Sighting Unlimited, Dayton, David, and Matt talking to you this morning. Thank you for joining us. It's all about search pro and painting. We've talked a lot of painting. What about staining? You guys do staining? Interior and exterior. We do quite a bit of interior stain. Wisconsin's primarily been a very strong wood community. Right? So staining, if you need to even refresh your stain, if it's a little, you know, beaten up through the years.

27:38Like times you see that in like kitchens, wherever there would be wet applied, mopping, bathrooms, things like that. So we can refresh and make all your staining look good. McKelce a painted, but on the outside of a house, rough cedar country. So there's a lot of exterior staining. Don't paint your cedar by the way. This is a warning to everybody listening. If you have a rough cedar house, it might look like it's paint. It is highly probable that it is solid stain. So do not you want something that's going to penetrate, soak into the wood, chalk and fade away. You don't want something that is going to continue to build like a paint system. It's going to build mill thickness to the point where your cedar can't breathe. And then moisture builds on the back side of the chip, the wood firebirds release. And we call that delamination. And that's where you can grab a paint chip. And you can pull back and peel it right off the house and it pulls the wood fibers. So stain your house. Don't paint it. Dex too. Dex too. Yeah, cedar. Cedar ducks, you bet you stain or oil. Solid stain. You can do semi-transparent stains. That's very common on Dex and Wisconsin.

28:40I use a product called Penifin, which is just basically an oil. You're oiling your deck and letting the kind of patina and darken over time. It requires a little bit more maintenance, but man, is it look beautiful? On that note, so with that, you're telling every 18 months you do that for the deck? Well, yeah, but it's a late, I'd love to do that. Okay. You know, that's the one thing I don't let my canters do. I stain my own deck. If I stain my deck, how often should I be doing it? I would say in Wisconsin, it's probably every two years roughly. You might stretch it for three, but the reality is, I mean, think of your deck. I always use the analogy with customers that if you had a brand new car, let's say you bought a brand new car today, pick any model. Okay. Put it outside. Don't do anything to it for two to three years. Let me know what the finish of your car looks like. Now, let's walk dogs across it, drag chains or have foot traffic on it. Let's grill, drop our spatula, get grease on it. Now, tell me what your deck's going to look like in two to three years.

29:40It's, and that's an automotive finish, right? It's very expensive, right? To retain all that. So in Wisconsin, again, you know, every two years is usually a pretty good time to get a fresh coat on it. You might stretch it the three, but usually not more than that. And that's seeder siding. How often should that be done? That's usually a cycle somewhere, depending on what your son exposure is. Yeah. And it was from five to seven years. Maybe you get eight. If you got a lot of tree cover and you're not having the sun beat on the south side or the west side, like you said, you might get a little longer time. But usually every five to seven years, you're putting another cool stain on it. All right. So tell everybody where you go. Everywhere you hear us generally. I mean, there's a couple, sometimes we say, you go everywhere and it's like four and a half hours almost to the Canadian border. It's like, no, we don't go there. But generally everywhere where you listen to, although there's a green Bay area, Appletons covered with serra pros, almost the entire state of Wisconsin. And most of Northern Illinois is covered with serra pros because we are a national franchise.

30:41There's over 330 of us around all the entire country. I have been here and operated the local franchise for 20 years. And so pretty much where you listen to us, we cover. And we even have 30 serra pros in Canada. Oh, no. So if you're in Elbukhric or something or whatever in Canada, sorry, Toronto, yeah. I don't know what Montreal. And you're listening. Hey there. Alberta, I think is what you're thinking. Alberta, yeah. Sorry, Alberta. Okay. And what do you guys all cover? Like, do wise. Do wise. That was good English. Yeah, right. What do you do? We do everything from interior exterior, painting, staining, and so do services like carpentry repair, drywall repairs, plaster repairs, stucco repairs, anything attached to coatings. If it's coatings, we do it garage floor coatings, basement floor coatings, anything really coatings. And a lot of people are listening to us. Do we do commercial painting? We do do commercial. We do do.

31:41We do commercial painting. And so commercial retail stores, new construction. And we just really have known through the years both residential new construction, commercial new construction. So if you're a general contractor or your project manager and you're looking for a good painter, give us a call at Surder Pro, we've glad to bid on your projects. I see your little black and yellow cars running around all over the place. Oh, wait. You're waiting yellow, black and yellow, yeah. And again, we have till typically the October November, we're not painting today, obviously. And this whole week was mostly shot for painting. But things will dry out next week. And usually September, October, really dry months are usually pretty good months to paint. Believe it or not, because the wood gets to be really dry. Right. So yeah, we're usually painting generally through October, but it's just all weather dependent. So sometimes we're painting into November because, you know, there's been a handful of years where we've been able to do that. But sometimes we're cut off early in October. Thinking holidays, get on the schedule. Yeah.

32:41And we're talking off air the best time everyone should just get out now. Walk around your house, take a look around, look at everything from your roof system to your, your gutter systems to you name it. There's two times I typically tell my customers, walk around your house, Labor Day weekend, Memorial Lady weekend, you can't forget those. Those are the best times. Walk around your house, look for an inspection, look for bad clocking, anywhere, water, competitive training, and then look to see if a little squirrels in the nest on your roof, whatever it is, now's the time to walk around your house. There's still time. Call Sertapro, we can get your arms taken care of. Oh, he's good heavy on that. Good to see you, man. Good to see you. Good to see you, man. Welcome to the G-Man, coming up next. This has been the Fix It Show on WTMJ. Presented by JNB Construction Insighting Unlimited. Advice and opinions expressed during the program are solely that of the hosts or guests