THE KENNY MOORE EMERGENCY POD

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2:02chance to take the stage at Yamavar Theatre and answer the ultimate question. Deal or no deal. Details at Yamavar.com must be 21. Please gamble responsibly. What's going on, everybody? Good afternoon. It is an emergency podcast. Our second emergency podcast in about 12 hours is Howie Roseman having a very active first few days since that big win over the Tennessee Titans. First day signs, Zach Irts on Monday and now they've added to the defense signing. Defensive back Kenny Moore. I'm in studio, a rare in studio emergency pod. Tucker was here. I figured why not bring him on. What up, buddy? Yeah, I'm excited. The Eagles and Howie Roseman working around our schedule. No late night signings, no early morning signs. Not taking James nap into consideration. Of course, poor little James just sleeping away unaware. They have a nice text in the green chat emergency pod and see how long he responds. And see if he responds during the pod. That'll be fun. Yeah, that'll be it. I'll be excited to

3:05see what he thinks it is. Yeah, that's true. You know the the outcomes running around in his head. Well, I was driving into the studio and I get a text from you like so I'd already sent you some of the pod for tomorrow and you're like, do you want to switch it up? And I immediately knew it was Kenny Moore. I was like, I saw a tweet earlier. So anyway, they signed Kenny Moore defensive back Kenny Moore key term there because the question's going to be where is he going to play? First, let's talk about Kenny Moore as a player has been a very good player for the Indianapolis Colts has been predominantly a nickel throughout his career. You texted me some of the snap counts here. So shout out to you for finding it. You know, for finding that my drive in. He has 5,000 or almost 5,000 career snaps in the slot. That's predominantly where he has played has played a fair amount outside 1600. That's not nothing. And most of that's early in his career. So he's been a nickel. The vast majority of his career is only played for the Colts, right? I'm correct. And so that only played for the Colts. How old is he? He came to the league in 2017. Okay, so he's 32 young 30s. Yeah. He has played in the box quite a bit, but that obviously probably

4:10has to do a lot with the fact he's a nickel 944 snaps in the box. Only 58 career snaps at safety. And that last position is the one we're going to talk about because I think we would both agree. And I think everyone listening would agree that if you look at the Eagles defense right now, they've gotten good play from the outside corners. I think pretty good play from the front seven. I know there's some kind of they only have three sacks, but if you look at press rate, I think they're like 12th in the NFL agreed. And if you look at just like where players rank individually, Jalen Carter, Morrow, Jomo up there in defensive tackle pressures, Nolan Smith, up there in edge pressures, even though Jalex Hunt isn't really up there in pressures, I rewatched every snap of his yesterday preparing for the Jalex Hunt show. And I still think he's getting to the quarterback. He just has to finish plays when he might have been their best eddressure on on Sunday. I'll tell him you said that in the next Jalex Hunt show. I can tell him I'm also there. That's a good point. Actually, you could. Yeah. I'll say hey, Tucker over there. He thought you were the best edge. You can just wave. But anyway, so the front seven, I think, some pretty good. It's really just the safeties. I think particularly Marcus Epps had it,

5:12especially bad game against the the tight and seems like he gets jumped over every week, which is not a good thing. No, it's not not a good strategy as a safety. So my care of follow, I believe it was tweeted out that he plans on playing safety for the Eagles did throw in there that he could play nickel. So my initial thought on it is this. It feels a lot like the Michael Carter trade from last year. Do you remember when they brought Michael Carter and he had predominantly played nickel? They move him to safety. When they acquired him, it was position versatility. He can do different things. You can put him out there in different packages. The contract is worth up to $3 million. I would guess the up to is doing a lot of work there. So it's not like nothing, right? And he's initially signing to the practice squad, I believe. So bad week to be the practice squad. Here's what I was thinking though. So the new locker room, the way it's set up, it's like the normal kind of locker room they had. They basically knocked down the back wall and put 20 lockers back there, which are all practice squad lockers. It would be objectively hilarious if I got in there on Thursday and Zacharyts locker was all the way in the back with the practice squad. That would be

6:15tough. I don't think they would do it to him, but they could in theory. They didn't know so he's getting 86 back. Oh, did they? Yeah. Xavier Gibson's moving to 47. Is he really doing 47? Yeah, that's hysterical because that's the number I've been using. That's why I was no one. That is. Yeah. All right. So Kenny Moore, let's lock in on the Kenny Moore emergency part of the pot. My guess is, like I said, Michael Carter, they had they had him practice at safety last year. They moved him there almost right away, but he has experience at Neckle. And I think we're kind of looking at a situation here where Cooper D'Agin, my initial thought was about Cooper with this and it's twofold. Yours was actually different than mine. So I'll say what mine is, I wonder if this has to do with Cooper D'Agin's health a little bit. Like God, out of the last game pretty clean, but said he didn't know how long that abdomen injury was going to bother him. So that's one thing I think they consider here Kenny Moore could fill in for Cooper D'Agin at nickel. If he were to miss time, he could fill in for Cooper D'Agin at Bay Safety and Theory. You could put Michael Carter there. And then you combine with the fact that Andrew McCuba has a knee injury. Marcus Aps isn't playing that well. I think that's kind of what this is all about. Yeah, I think it's a really interesting

7:19signing because like you mentioned, it reminds you a lot of what they did with Michael Carter. Michael Carter is still here. Like if you're looking for someone to be like Michael Carter, like Michael Carter is still here. It's only played like seven snaps a share, eight snaps a share. And if you look at the spots that Kenny Moore might fit, Andrew McCuba, I think he's pretty much locked in. Like you're not moving here. I think he's played pretty well. And he asked wait, right? I think 31 year old Marcus Aps is the issue who was probably cooked on the Eagle's Kingdom off the trash shape a year ago. And now he went into weak one as your starting. I think he played decent last year. Like you said cooked. I don't know how I would agree with cook. Now he's not played well the first two games this year. But I thought last year he played pretty well. But there's a reason why he was out there. Yeah. And the Raiders gave up on him. And you probably could have cut him at the 53 and put him on the practice spot. Right. I don't think does the Marcus Aps that was here in 2022 was not the same player that he currently is four years later. Yeah. So yeah, you look like the two spots that he would fit or either taking Marcus Aps's job or taking over in the nickel. And maybe if he's doing that

8:21is Cooper DeGene either one hurt or is he moving to safety? Because he has spent a lot of time at safety in practice. We've seen it in base setups during seven and seven and 11 on 11 where it's been him and McCuba back there or him and Eps back there. I just think it's interesting. Like sure, maybe Kenny Moore is going to play safety. But you know, you read the snap count. The guy has almost five thousand. He's never done it. Right. Of experience. And I don't know if I were a GM calling a guy who's done something five thousand times. I'm usually calling him to do that. So I think some interesting dynamics here. And we'll try to get the answers in the next few days is like how much interest did Kenny Moore have? Did he have a bunch of different options? In the up to three million again, like I don't think he's going to get that full three million. But let's say he's getting two million. Let's say he's getting two point two million. Kenny Moore to me strikes me as somebody that is signing to play. I don't think Kenny Moore is coming in here with the idea of you'll be active on Sundays. And if someone gets hurt, maybe you'll play in some base packages. Like Zach Hertz is coming here to play. Now Zach Hertz is not going to play as much as you

9:22would think Kenny Moore will. But Zach Hertz is not just some random. They're signing on the street. Kenny Moore is not some random. They're signing off the street either. So I do think he's probably if he had other options, I thought I saw a report that the Lions had some interest in him. If he had other options, then he's coming here with some type of, you know, he got a pitch on why he should come here. And I would imagine that includes a key part of the pitches you're going to play. So I think moving Cooper to safety full time would make some sense in two ways. One, I think he can be good at it, right? But two, from Cooper's perspective, it's a good way to pay him more money. Like if you're on Cooper Dijaine's agency, if you're like his agent, you're saying, yeah, man, I would move to safety because if you go to safety and you play well, you can make an argument for the top hit safety in the NFL. And that's like a top five or six corner in the NFL. Now, I think they're going to pay Cooper no matter what. I'd be surprised if those are tense negotiations. I think they'll probably pretty clearly and easily pay him, but it is easier to pay him as a safety. So I think moving Cooper to safety full time, it like solves that position for the next

10:22few years, right? Now, I do know that like looking at the defense and all the money they're spending, they don't want to spend a lot of money at safety. So I don't know how that would factor in with Cooper. Right. If you book Kenny Moore to his natural position, Cooper's been practicing at safety. I think that's probably a better secondary than Cooper at Nickel and Marcus F.s it's safety, but also like Vic Fangio's been pretty clear. He likes Cooper at Nickel. Yeah. And I think maybe Cooper Dijaine's biggest quality is just his versatility. The ability to move him all around, you know, the defense back to not just safety in corner, but he's really good at tackling. He's good against the run can come up and play in the box. And yeah, I just I wonder if signing someone like Kenny Moore to kind of solidify the nickel Moore where he can just be more of a free roaming player. Intended. Yeah. Yeah, you're right about that. Yeah. Go ahead. Anyway. But if you allow him to be more versatile, allow him to kind of follow the ball around. I think it opens up a lot more for him to be a natural playmaker. So the other thing to consider is this is Cooper hasn't been that hot the first two games,

11:27right? He's not played that well. He had the first game where we do have a corresponding move, by the way, do we on the practice squad? Yeah. Robert Longer beam. God, he's out. He was on the practice squad. Did they say announce the move? Tim McManus said the Eagles are said to be losing Robert Longer beam. Shout out to Tim. Shout out for Robert Longer beam. He said to be losing. I wonder actually if he got signed away. And that's why he's saying that that sounds better. And yet it certainly does as opposed to being cut. But I mean, Cooper's not been awesome the first two games. He certainly wasn't good in the first game. You wonder if with the injury, they don't want him doing as much like one-on-one coverage, which he obviously doesn't nickel. But you know, you said his strength was versatility. And I think that is true overall. Maybe this is like a different bucket of strength. But I think Cooper is at his best against the run in the box. Like that's why I think Cooper makes the biggest plays. You know, he's a short tackler. He's a physical tackler. I don't know if that's anymore. And like if you're Vic and you have that presence of Cooper in the box, I know you can be an in the box safety. You can have him charge down,

12:30you know, charge down from the safety spot. But I think you losing Cooper in the box, especially when you're about to go against the Chicago team that is very good against the run. I know this is like a you know, a short sighted way to look at it. But you're going up against probably a backup quarterback in Chicago. Chicago's going to want to run the ball. I do think having Cooper in the box to be a run defender, we big against Chicago. Yeah. And you kind of look at this pro football focus crazy. He's one of the best run defenders, you know, from a secondary position. And you're right. Like he really struggled against Stefan Diggs, which I mean, Stefan Diggs in 2026 probably isn't Stefan Diggs. Right. 2020. I was hoping it's funny. We've gotten to this thing with Cooper. It's like everyone accepts. He kind of struggles against good route runners. Like, yeah, like if you're that seems like a problem, especially like it says it. Like it's no big deal. Like, yeah, he's a type of player that gives Cooper trouble because he's good at running routes. I'm like, well, that doesn't seem ideal. No. And I don't know. I don't know if it's telling or not that they weren't that year to let him play outside corner again. This year, they were, they were fine, which like, I think, recoil and isn't upgrade over him. And but, you know, it's kind of another point where

13:32they're saying, you know, we don't necessarily want him isolated on the outside, especially in base defense. Let's put him in a position where he can kind of roam around. And I don't like, I don't think it's like they're hiding Cooper Dishy and right? Like they're not trying to mask his and obviously there. I don't think so either, but I think it's putting him in a better position to be successful. Yeah. And so the other thing I would say about this is we talked about a little bit on the pod earlier in the day with James. Like the factor signings at curts. I know God it got hurt, but the factor signings at curts speaks to the fact he didn't have a good, how he didn't have a good off season at tight end, right? EJ Jenkins made the roster like they did not have a good off season at the big EJ Jenkins guy. I am, but I also diminish him on the same time. I really go back and forth. The one hand, I'm like, people should be excited. On the other hand, I'm like, it's a little embarrassing. He's on the team. But safety, you could say the same thing. Now, they're two and a half defense has played well. No harm. No foul to a certain degree. But the fact they're bringing him in. And if it's not Cooper, injury related, you know, look at what they did at safety, right? We spent so much of the off season saying they're going to make a move. They're going to make a move. And they never did. Right? They just did Marcus Eps, Andrew Macubba,

14:35Michael Carter, those were their safety. Say draft Cole was newskey. He doesn't even make the team. I think he's on the practice squad, but doesn't make to 53. So I think bringing Kenny Moore, look, maybe Kenny Moore just didn't want to partake in training camp. That could have been part of it. It's not like they're giving him a ton of money. But, you know, this week they've had to make a move. It tight end and make a move. It's safety because he didn't have good, how he didn't have good off seasons. Any of those positions. Yeah. And I guess, you know, you can kind of credit how we're forgetting ahead of this, right? Like they're two and a half positions. I haven't necessarily cost them a win or anything. So you are getting ahead of it. Maybe we did against Titans. That is true. Marcus Eps tackling was an issue. Yeah. Well, it is fun. Like his whole thing is just human hurdle. I know. I think we underestimate how crazy it is when someone jumps over someone else. Like I've stood next to Marcus Eps to be able to jump over him. And I know he's, you know, he's bending over somewhat, but like still, I'm not that tall. Yeah, you're not there. You're not that tall. I was gonna say it. But like, I can't imagine someone jumping over me. Like if someone jumped over me and that athletic competition, like I'll probably just leave. I think I would also

15:37just be like, you win whatever the competition is. Like the game's over. Like I'll just go, but in dunk contest, I don't find it very impressive when they jump over each other anymore. Just because it's like they've done it. That is true. Yeah. But anyway, Marcus Eps, I think, look, I think Kenny Moore is coming here to start. I think Kenny Moore is going to play snaps. I need to come here to play. He's not coming here to be on the practical. And for what it's worth, they traded for Michael Carter. Like Michael Carter didn't play a lot last year, but they also traded for him. He didn't elect to come here. So yeah, I think Kenny Moore is going to play. I think it'll probably be at safety. Like Gareth Hollow said. And it honestly wouldn't completely shock me. Well, with wavedick does things. He's probably not going to this week at Chicago, but against the Rams, against the Jags, like it wouldn't shock me if Kenny Moore starting there. No, and I just think this defensive backfill probably needs a little more depth because you mentioned like you got McCuba, you got Eps, the Jonathan Jones and Jonathan Jones, who I think people even really forget is. Yeah. And honestly, not that too dissimilar from Kenny Moore. No, he's like an 11 year vet. Yeah. That's like he's been out. He's been around for a really long time outside too. But mostly

16:37on the inside. So I don't know. It's an interesting move because it's a big name. And I don't know if they've just signed a more unharbleded younger guy just to the practice what today. I don't think anything would be would be worth mentioning. Just hey, it's another warm body. Yeah. On the back end of the depth chart, but the fact that it's Kenny Moore makes me think that he is going to have a role in this defense and probably sooner rather than later. Yeah. Agreed. So the Eagles don't practice. We're recording this on a Tuesday. They don't practice on Wednesday as they normally do. They won't hit the field until Thursday. So there is a big day. We get to hear from hurts. We get to hear from Kenny Moore. And we'll see, you know, what they do. What number? So Kenny Moore, more 23 and with the Colts, who is 23 now on the Eagles? Is it EPS? No, EPS is 29. No, he's 29. He was 22 is first time. Mac McWilliams is 22, I believe. Mac McWilliams, by the way, all sit and bring him up. He can play an echo. So they do have like a lot of little body versatile players there. Who's who's he did were 42. His rookie year. All right. Is there a 23

17:38and if so, let me try to guess it. All right. Let me look on. So 23. It's not a running back. Is it a I mean, I have to be a corner of safety. I don't know. It's someone on the IR. It is a corner back though. Someone on an IR and it is a corner back. On the IR. So they put him on IR. Injured reserve. IR. I don't know how. Decorate and Bennett. Well, they'll take that from him. Although, yeah, I'm sure they'll take that. 21 looks to be available. That can't be. 21 is a great number. Is it retired? No, it might be a practice squad guy. I don't know if this has practice squad guys. Are you on the Eagles website? No, I'm on profile reference. Just kind of sorry. I'm way to do it. Well, I was already on their website. So that's why I feel that good to the Eagles website. This is phenomenal podcasting. Emergency podcasting.

18:39I wasn't expecting to talk about the other. This is what it sounds like in the office for anyone that's ever wondered. Do you like having someone else to do an emergency pod with? It's helpful. Yeah, especially. Otherwise, it would just be quiet noise while you're at it. Yeah, as I'm good. Well, trust me, I can't tell me times in the daily pot. I'm googling things while I'm talking. Yeah, I was driving in when it happened. So I was happy you were able to hop in with all the snap counts. Oh, your boy Cole was noose. He wears 21. Sorry, Cole. I think we could take that from them. They could take that from them. So I think Kenny Moral will take 23 from Jacorion. I don't think he'll to go 42 or whatever. No, we'll smile. Mond on where's a 24. He's played. So actually, I don't think you can take it from him. So, Ertsil get 86 back. Kenny Moral get 23 back and how we will pray that these moves are the moves he needs to make to go help the team. I'm excited for the Super Bowl video where they talk about how we calling on an old friend and Zach Ertsil to really shore up the offense. Well, Erts cry in his first Eagles game. It has to be like, oh, probably somewhat minus money. He's a pretty emotional guy. He only cry when he left. Oh, he did. I think it'd be a good debt. Maybe I'll try to get him to do it. If he showed

19:43it up with his hair, died blocked. That would be funny. Right? Shorts inside out. Just do. I might ask about that. I'd be like, he'd looking back at that. Like the dyed hair, the inside out, shorts. It would be funny if you pretended like you haven't seen him since. It's like, what happened to your blonde hair? Yeah, that would be good. Yeah, when you change your hair. Yeah, it's like almost immediately. All right, that'll do it for the emergency pod. Thank you guys, everybody for listening. He's Elliott. I'm James. He's talker. Talk to you guys later. Jason is an avid hiker who loves the outdoors. During what should have been the peaceful hike, that calm was suddenly broken. I'm out in Lyon, appeared on the trail just yards away. Fortunately, Jason had packed his Bernaless lethal launcher. Armed with kinetic rounds, Jason fired a warning shot, deterring the mountain lion and giving his family time to get to safety. Bernaless lethal launchers fire powerful kinetic and chemical irritant rounds, designed to stop threats. Visit Berna.com. That's b-y-r-n-a. Berna.com. Purchase and shipping restrictions vary by state and municipality. Go to Berna.com to check

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