The Patrick Madrid Show: September 18, 2026 - Hour 2

0:00Hi Patrick Madrid here, thanks for listening. Check out CharityMobile and prayerfully consider making them your wireless carrier. Mention offer code Patrick and get a free phone. Go to charitymobile.com. Compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, encouragement for your day, it's the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. Okay, proceeding a pace, this is the Patrick Madrid show. You can be part of the experience if you want to call me call 888-914-9149 with your comment or question. Anything goes, well almost anything goes. 888-914-9149 and please send your emails to Patrick at relevantradio.com. I appreciate that. I get lots of emails from people saying, hey, can I be on your program? Could you interview me

1:00about my new book or my new CD or something else? And so just as a blanket response for those kind of emails, this is not that kind of a show. We have wonderful shows in which our guests are interviewed by people like Drew Mariani, etc. So that's definitely something we can offer here at relevant radio. This shows a little bit different. So I don't have guests. I don't do interviews. You are my guest. I guess in both senses of the word. So if you would like to call and discuss something, I am all ears. 888-914-9149. This is a question that comes in from Anthony. He says, he says, we are the same age. I believe he's speaking about me and him. And he says, my parents are deceased. I go to a Maranite church and I lecture there to honor my Lebanese mother. I also go to a Latin-right church to honor my Italian father and my baptismal right. I usher and lector

2:02at the Latin-right church. I also attend Bible study at an LCMS Lutheran church to help my 86 year old friend who lost his wife who's battling cancer. I get along great with the Munseenia and clergy at the Maranite church. They are so good and they spend time with me. I get along good with the LCMS clergy in the Lutheran church because they are kind and knowing that I'm a Catholic. They do not try to change me. I know my apologetics. Thanks to you in relevant radio. We have nice, friendly discussions. So God bless relevant radio. But the head pastor at the Latin-right church is cold and distant with me, no matter how much I help to the point that other people in the church have noticed it and have said something to me among themselves. I don't know what it could be. I passed a local state and FBI background check when I volunteered as a disaster worker. What should I do? Should I just leave and attend the Maranite Catholic church? Please help me. And he says, I attend Mass three to five times a week and I still work full time. Well,

3:07that's a beautiful commitment. First of all, and I want to commend you, Anthony, for being so dedicated and faithful and in seeking to do things at the parish level the way you're doing. I really want to praise you for that. I don't know why it is that in this life, some people just, they just instantly, it seems, take a dislike to somebody else. But I have to admit, I am one of those people and probably you are too. Have you ever noticed that sometimes, well, I'll put it in the personal terms for myself. There have been times, who knows how many over my lifetime, in which I take an almost immediate dislike to somebody even before I know anything about her or him could be the physiognomy. It could be personality type. It could be any number of things. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. I will confess that there have been

4:10people that I just without even giving them, without knowing anything about them. My immediate reaction is dislike. Why? I don't know. But look at us now, our best friends. All right. I know I was talking about something. What was I talking about? I couldn't resist. Oh, yeah. How I hate people who interrupt. That's what it was. I think that's it. I'm a lover, not a fighter. It's lovey, w lovey, w lovey, w lovey, all the time. Or at least that's what I like to think. But love me, love me, love me, love me, love me, love me all the time. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. But so just by way of my sort of responding to the points that you're making Anthony, this is what I wonder if this may not be what's going on. I know even to this day, there are some people, hopefully not too many, but I know there are some

5:15and I don't know that they necessarily know that I know, but I do know in some cases, some people who really strongly dislike me. Why? I don't know. Some people that I might know personally, but I don't really know them very well. I've never really spent any time with them, but I know because it's clear that they do not like me and they make it known. And I don't know why. But that's what I'm getting at here. That's just life. And sometimes without really knowing why somebody doesn't like you, they just don't like you. And maybe they'll never get to like you. That's what I was wanting to say. And I, before I got interrupted, that's where I was heading up to, say, I'm sure you're good. You're a good guy, Cyrus. I don't care what anybody says about you, Cyrus. I like you. Yes, that's true. Get that in your spirit. That's life. But isn't it also true?

6:15And I'll speak here from experience that there have been times where somebody that I took an immediate dislike to without really knowing why. It was just sort of reflexive. I found out later, this actually is a really cool person. I really like her or I really like him. And I did it at first. Maybe it was like quite the opposite at first. And then something shines through and something clicks or you know, you become simpatico over something unexpected and then good things can happen. So that's the first thing I'd like to say is that maybe this is a temporary attitude on his part towards you. Maybe here's another thing. Maybe the monsenior at the Catholic church, at the Latin right to Catholic church, is carrying a heavy burden. Like maybe he's been diagnosed with stage four cancer. And he hasn't told anybody about it. But it's figuratively and literally. Maybe it's

7:16eating him up inside. You know, maybe he's carrying a great weight of some sort, the burden of concern or fear or worry about somebody he loves. I mean, who knows what it could be? And it's not for us to know what it might be. But that's another possibility. Maybe it's not you. Maybe he just is preoccupied with whatever is going on in his life that he forgot to be nice. If he got to be friendly, that does happen too. And I suppose each one of us can confess to that from time to time. Maybe he really doesn't like you and there's there's no way to change it. And if that's the case to answer your question, perhaps it's time to pull the plug on going to that particular Latin right parish. There's nothing wrong if you wanted to go to the Maranite right Catholic church. You know, entirely if that's what you wanted to do. I mean, it's Catholic. So you're in the Catholic church as you well know. So there's nothing wrong with that.

8:18And I understand the desire to honor the heritage and the Latin right heritage that you received from your father, which is a good thing. It's a noble thing. And I would encourage that. But it also means that you don't necessarily have to go to that Latin right parish. I'm looking to see if if you mentioned here where you live and I don't see it. So I don't know whether you live in an area that has a wide variety of Catholic parishes. But let's assume you do maybe just try going to a different Catholic parish. And that might very well solve the problem. And final note, priests assigned to parishes typically, although not always, tend to go for a certain term could be six years and then maybe repeat it again in other six-year term. That's a fairly common number. And it may well be that this priest will not be there. You know, after another several years, maybe he'll be moved to a different parish. I mean, that can happen too. So you have a number of different options. But I would say is that if you want

9:23to stay in kind of grin and bear it and deal with the unpleasantness, there's some nobility in that too. Because it does have a purifying effect. You know, if somebody is rude to you and dismisses you or makes it clear that she doesn't like you or he doesn't like you and you just kind of grin and bear it and offer it up, there's great value in that. Rather than striking back, there's great value in that, spiritually speaking. So that's another way to look at it as well. So it's not something that I could say do this or do that. But I would say keep doing what you're doing, although I would draw a circle around the Lutheran Bible study. But you know, fair enough, if you're doing it to help an 86-year-old friend who lost his wife and who is now battling cancer, and you're doing it not because you're seeking biblical truth from the Lutherans, but because you want to help your friend and support him in that way, who am I to argue with that? I mean, to me,

10:24that also seems like a very generous and good-hearted thing for you to do. So I'm not here in any way to say change what you're doing other than to say, if it's intolerable the way the priest is treating you at that Latin-right Catholic church, I mean, you would not be doing anything wrong if you said, I'm going to take a break from this. So that would be my thought. And I appreciate your confidence, Anthony. Thank you. God bless you. Pray for me, please. 88-914-914-914. Yes, sir. Well, I don't know. If someone, I want your, what's your opinion if someone doesn't like you, you know, they still treat you fine, but they don't like you. You know, they don't like you. Yeah. Does it, does it really matter? Like, is it any of your business, what someone else feels about you? You know, that's a really insightful question, Cyrus. Thank you. I think the easy answer to that, in the true answer, is in a certain sense, no, it doesn't really matter, because all that really matters ultimately is how God sees you. And if you're right with God,

11:31even if you're misunderstood by other people, maybe you're, you know, taking a beating from other people as long as you're right with God, that's ultimately all that really matters. So is that what you're driving at? Because if it is, I hardly agree. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what businesses that if someone else is, or of mine, what someone else thinks about me, like, it's really none of my business, as long as we're treating each other cordially. And so I mean, in this one instance, the guy who wrote the email, maybe he's not being treated right. And so that's a, that's a serious problem. But if it's just someone that I come in contact with every now and then and they don't like me, I mean, that's, that's too bad. I wish they did. I, but it can't be helped, but it can't be, and it's the right. And I do like God's eye. I do like you, though. I think you're a good guy. Thank you. No, I'm making light. No, I agree with you. And that gets back to the topic that we were discussing on the show, maybe last week, the whole idea of

12:34human respect. And, and really placing too high a premium on what other people think of you, because that there's a pride factor there. We all like to be liked. We all want to be liked. That's natural. That's normal. And it's uncomfortable when you realize somebody doesn't like you, because, well, what's wrong with me? Nothing's wrong with me. I'm great. How come she doesn't like me? How come he doesn't like me? It's just a painful feeling, because it pricks the pride. And the pride doesn't like to be pricked. That's for sure. But I do agree wholeheartedly that in the bigger picture, but you mentioned something interesting. If somebody you perceive doesn't like you, but they treat you otherwise, superficially, at least they treat you politely. What about people who not only don't like you, but they treat you impolitely? And they make it a point to show their contempt for you.

13:34So that's a much more painful situation to be in, especially if you choose to say nothing about it. And maybe say a little prayer for that person. You know what? This reminds me of a story, Cyrus. The great St. John Viennese, Curé of ours, rural France in the 1800s, super humble guy. I mean, there's a wonderful story told about him. And this is, let me think here. This is going back. I wonder if it was one of his confrairs who told this story or maybe it was St. John Viennese himself. I'll just tell you the story. So he was a brilliant man in many respects, a deeply, holy, deeply prayerful, canony saint, you know, for heaven's sakes. And he was not a good student. And he was in the seminary. And while he was in the seminary taking his exams and studying the theology and philosophy, he had a habit of not doing well on his exams because he didn't, he wasn't

14:40book smart. And he wasn't a good like academic student, even though he had many other praiseworthy qualities, he wasn't really an academic guy. And as he was getting, as he was approaching his time to be ordained, there was question among the seminary professors and formators as to whether or not they would let him be ordained because he was failing exams, not that he didn't know the material. He just didn't test well kind of thing. So one anecdote that's told about him is that one of his seminary professors exclaimed in exasperation about him. I mean, this is imagine you're in the seminary, you're the seminarian. And this is one of your professors who has some say over whether or not you'll actually become a priest. And the professor said, what could the Lord possibly do with such a complete jackass? That's what he called him. I know. Can you imagine imagine how he felt poor guy? Well, as the story is told, St. John Vianney, he said, well,

15:44Reverend father, if the Lord through Samson could slay a thousand Philistines with just the jawbone of an ass. Imagine what he could do with the complete one. And I don't know if you passed the exam, but he did go to a Dana priest. And he's a canonized saint, patron saint of parish priests. Awesome guy. But that's not even the story I wanted to tell you. The story I wanted to tell you was he was so effective in the pulpit and in the confessional. He was a lion in the pulpit and a lamb in the confessional. So he was very gentle and tender even with the sinners who were making their way back to Jesus through the sacrament of confession. But he was full of fire and brimstone from the pulpit when he would be preaching about the dangers of the day. He invaded against dancing, gambling, swearing, using God's name in vain. Apparently the people in that

16:46vicinity, keep in mind he died in 1859. So this is like pre-civil war era in the United States, although he was in France. So apparently those were some of the big vices that a lot of people had, drunkenness, lured dancing and showing off more of the body than should be shown off. You know, that kind of thing, but also a terrible problem with profanity. And so he would preach against that. And a lot of people did not like it. And they wrote letters to the bishop and they complained, and we're not going to go to this church anymore. And this guy's a maniac and he's telling us we can't dance. Well, it got so bad that a priest who a priest of the diocese who was one of his enemies, talk about somebody who doesn't like you. This priest hated his guts. And he wanted him basically he wanted him to just leave go away. And he talked the bishop into sending himself as

17:49the replacement. In other words, this priest who had such enmity for St. John Vienn, he was going to be the priest to replace him in the little parish church in ours, France. Yes, I know ours, how you pronounce it in French, but we're not in France. We don't say paris. We say Paris. So I'll say ours. Just like I say, lords and not lured because we don't say paris. Anyway, that's a side note. So the priest shows up to dismiss St. John Vienn, like, guess what? I'm replacing you because you're fired. What does St. John Vienn do? He kneels down in front of that priest and with tears in his eyes, he thanks him. Thank you. Thank you for doing God's will to help me because I am not a very good pastor. I am not a very, you know, I'm these people deserve better than me. That's for sure.

18:50And I thank God that in his mercy, he's going to give them a parish priest like you. And he wasn't saying it sarcastically. He was saying it completely sincerely down on his knees with tears on his cheeks, thanking God that finally somebody did something to pull the plug on him because he realized he felt at least that he was ineffective, et cetera, et cetera. That priest was so overcome with remorse for his role that he played in trying to bring about the downfall of St. John Vienn, that he had a profound conversion of heart and needless to say did not succeed St. John Vienn at that parish. He did not replace him. He realized there's no way he could replace St. John Vienn. He was a man of humility. I love stories like that, like the the job on of an ass. If God could slay or I'm sorry, if Samson could slay thousands of enemies with just the job on of an ass, imagine

19:52what God could do with the complete one after he himself had just been called to Jackass. I love that kind of story. Cyrus, you're just nodding thoughtfully. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, what can you say to that? Not a lot. I like him. If I was in class with this guy, I'd be like, I want to be friends. I like this guy. And I want to be like him. There's something really attractive about humility. Yeah. St. John Vienn, he pray for us. That's all I can say. All right, did we cover that? I think we did. We'll continue. More phone calls, more emails right after this. Hi, Patrick Madrid here. Thanks for listening to my podcast. In today's crazy world,

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21:57kind note. I appreciate you sending that. And we take it to hard, Sheila. Thank you. Thanks for listening. Let's go to Tom in front royal Virginia. Hi Tom. Hi Patrick. Good to hear your wonderful program. Thank you. The reason I called several crazy things are happening. I met this lady. I'm a craftsman. I talked to you a long time ago. I'm the guy who did the Walton's Museum, the John Boyd Benches for the Walton's Museum. Oh. Oh. All kinds of crazy things in my life. The one in Skylar, Virginia, that museum. Yeah. They came here about 25 years ago and wanted benches for the original Walton's movie set table. And they wanted something to match that had John Boy carved in it. You know, like with a pocket knife. And I got some really beautiful old boards that were out of a barn of floorboard. Nancy and I went to that museum in Skylar. And you know, it's Cady Corner from the original house where Earl Hamner Jr grew up. So I would have

23:02seen those benches. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. It's so cool. I'm glad to hear that. I got to go back and see it when I was removing those floorboards. A black snake shot out of the wall. It was a stone wall right behind me and it went right next to my leg scared the daylight side. And because I was about 20 feet up in the air, taking those floorboards out. But anyhow, I don't like the snakes. I don't like snakes. Black or otherwise. I'm with you. I'm with you on that. Yeah. I a couple things happen to me just this this past week. One of my old schoolmates. I'm 70, by the way. One of my old schoolmates posted on Facebook that she's so happy because they have the very first trans cathedral dean like Bishop just ordained down in Georgia. And she put it on her Facebook. I'm like, oh my gosh, unbelievable. I have a picture of him standing there

24:04just being ordained. And then I was with a lady, one of my customers just last night and met her and she said, oh, you know, I'm so proud to be part of the Pistols Church in Winchester, which isn't far from front wall, because the church is 200 years old and my family has connections to it. And so proud. She said, I'm a little worried because my kids, their Sunday school program is Dungeon and Dragons. And I'm like, what? And she said, yeah, it's Dungeon and Dragons. She goes, I don't really like it. And she said, they're not introducing the gospel through it. It's just that's what they do. And she said, and at our service last Sunday, they baptized a guy in a dress and his partner was hearing for him on the front pew. Invite her into the Catholic church. Maybe this is the impetus she needs. Yeah. Well, believe me, I'm working on it. And but the

25:08difference between you and me is I'm, you know, I'm an old craftsman and I'm a mountain biker sailor. I'm too blunt. And you're so good at talking to people without really hurting their feelings, I guess. I don't know what I was just looking for your advice. How I can, in a nice way, persuade her to come to the Thaulses. So give me some tips. Yeah. Well, you know, I actually wrote a couple of books on this issue. One is called Search and Rescue. How to bring your family and friends into or back into the Catholic church. That might be a book for you because it deals with methodology more than content. You know, how do you talk about the faith in a way that doesn't make somebody nervous or skittish that kind of thing? So if you're looking for something that can take you like book length deeper, that might be something. But just as a general principle, I would say be yourself and

26:10and maybe it's as simple as saying, Hey, you know, I like to listen to this radio program. And the tower happens to be at the great Christianum College right here in front, Royal Virginia. You could, Virginia, you could tell her. And maybe invite her to visit the Christ the King Chapel. It's so beautiful and so majestic on the campus at Christianum College. That's one thing. Maybe you can invite her to listen to the program and just say, you know, I find this interesting and stimulating and maybe you will too. So little things like that, I find often just a little innocuous thing at the beginning can yield big dividends down the road rather than some major thing like here are five books, read these books. You know, most people probably would say, no, thank you. But maybe you try some of those little things and see what happens. It might germinate into something bigger. Okay. Yeah, I'll get that book. I've been reading

27:10Tim Staples book, nuts and bolts. And yeah, it's a great little book. It is. I didn't see anything in it particularly for Episcopalians, but because she was telling me because she goes, well, we're so close to the Catholic Church, she goes, you know, we're almost the same thing. And I'm believe me, I'm pretty good. I listen to you all the time. I'm pretty good at saying, well, you know, what about this or what about that? We know about horseshoes and hand grenades, right? No, help me out. Well, the old saying about, you know, close really is only something important when it comes to horseshoes and hand grenades. In other words, it can be close, but not close enough. Right. Right. You know, you know, who did a good job of elucidating some of the important aspects of this is the late father Ray Ryland, whom I had a good, great good pleasure to get to know over years with his wife, Ruthie. He was for a time a chaplain at Catholic Answers offices in San Diego at the time. This is back in the early 90s. And he himself was a convert from Episcopalianism.

28:16He was an Episcopalian priest married with kids. He wound up converting to the Catholic Church and his wife Ruthie and their children all became Catholic with him. Then a little bit later, under the pastoral provision, he pursued holy orders and he was ordained to Catholic priest. So he was one of these unusual priests in so far as he was a Catholic priest, but he was married. But the main thing is he was very eloquent in his public speaking and also in articles that he wrote about why he became Catholic and what it was that he saw in the Catholic Church that he couldn't ever get in the Episcopal Church. And he was very ironic and very gracious and friendly in the way he went about it. That might be just the thing to share with this lady would be some of his articles which are available at the Catholic Answers website. Just look up Ray Ryland. Okay. I'm right now down right now. Yeah. How do you solve that name?

29:17RYLAMD, Father Ray Ryland. He was a great man. Yeah. Well, I hope that's helpful to you, Tom. I really do. And I thank you for the phone call looking forward to getting back down to Skylar, Virginia. One of these days to see the Walton's Museum again. I'll take a close look at those benches now that I know that you're there yours. Thank you. Let's go to Mark and Dayton. Good morning, Mark. Hi, Mark. You're on the air. Okay. What's up, there, pal? Shoot me some info. Go ahead. Yeah. Fuehler. Fuehler. You got a bad feeling about this, Cyrus? Fuehler. Okay. I'm a bad feeling about this. Let's go to Sharon in the meantime and Pittsburgh. Hello, Sharon. Hi. Hi. Thank you for taking my call. You're welcome. I am calling to share with you the topic that you were discussing that in 12 steps we have is saying that what other people think of you is none of

30:19your business because if it were, you wouldn't get up in the morning. Yeah, I can see that. How do you do with that situation when people make it your business? They make sure that you know? Right. Well, I had that same situation with the priest, the story that you just told before. When I was going through my divorce, my ex-husband went and saw our pastor. My ex-husband was not Catholic. He went and complained during our divorce about me and my behavior. And naturally, the priest called me the next day and, you know, we very upset and he was yelling at me on the phone and telling me, you know, what kind of a person I was. And I said, I let him finish. And when he was finished, I said, Father, I said, who do you see in math every Sunday with the girls? I said, it's me. I said, who's putting money in the envelope every week? It's me. I said, I do holy hour. I'm saying a rosary. I'm in therapy for my marriage. I'm saying, I'm doing everything I can and I'm going to total loss. But if there's anything that you think that I should be doing, that I'm not, would

31:22you please tell me? And he said, Oh, Sharon, I'm so sorry. I said, that's okay. I said, you know, I'm doing what I can. And do you know that that next lent or Easter season, he washed my feet and apologized to me? I could I was crying the whole time because he had made a meant to me for the wrong that had happened. And I didn't want to stop going to church. And I wasn't going to let him stop me from going to church. That's that's really admirable. And the happy ending that resulted is all the more admirable for on his part, right? That he had a change of heart. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So I'm doing dealing with that same situation with a new priest in our parish who is angsting everyone and including myself. I just filed all my clearances back in August. And I just got a letter yesterday that I'm not allowed to participate in any of the

32:25activities that I'm involved with with the parish because they didn't update the system. And again, I'm not letting that affect where I'm at and what I'm doing. I know the truth. I'm not in control of what happens to those papers after I submit them and I do everything that I'm supposed to do. Is this like one of those screening programs like protecting God's children, something like that? Yes. Yes. And once you go through that, once you go through that, you should have smooth sailing at that point. Well, apparently I don't. And apparently I'm not in the diocese website. So therefore I have all the paperwork. I have resubmitted because I help out at two churches at TCCD at one church. And I do other things at the parish that I belong to. And on both sites, they both say that my information isn't in there. And basically what my DRE said is that it's too much paperwork. And someone didn't take the time to get the paperwork and push

33:28the button that they needed to push. I'm sorry that didn't happen, but perhaps the pastor can can help make sure that whatever the T's that were not crossed in the eyes that were not dotted paperwork wise that he can help you get that taken care of so that you can continue to serve in the parish. Well, that's very insightful, Sharon. I'm glad that you brought up that issue from your own experience. And I do believe that it's true. Ultimately, it really doesn't matter what other people think of us. But when they make it your business to let you know, sometimes that can be a bit tricky to navigate. Well, thanks, Sharon. I appreciate it. God bless you. Let's go to Mark now. We'll try again, Mark and Dayton. Good morning, sir. Yeah, hi. Hi, good morning, Patrick. I'm my first time caller to your show and listening now, then I think your show came into the Dayton area, I think two or three years ago. Yeah. And so we're very happy to be there. Shout out.

34:28I share a similar experience to what you were describing earlier about sometimes you just meet someone and for someone known reason, you just don't, there's something about them that you don't like. And I, I, I've had that happen. And it's very odd. I don't know why. Yeah, but I wanted to say, you know, when I heard your voice for the first time, I thought this is a great guy, warm, inviting and very friendly. So thank you for what you're doing. And thank you. I hear that sir. I'm part of our. How did you say it? Warm, friendly and inviting. Sarah, is that I'm waiting for the. Oh, no, there's no but. Well, then keep going. Yeah, no, no, but, but the, the, the but that I was going to say is that I, I am also on our, our local 40 days for life, leadership team here in the Dayton area. And I was hopeful that you

35:28could maybe do a shout out and encourage folks to look up 40 days for life. It's a nation worldwide actually, but we, we, we pray outside of abortion facility is for the end of abortion to offer up a sign of hope and encouragement to women and men that that are going there and just encourage folks if they've never been out on the sidewalk before to maybe look up their local 40 days for life rally across the nation. It will be this, this Sunday. And then the official name is on, on Wednesday, where we'll be there at vigils around the nation. Yes, I am always happy to give a shout out and a word of encouragement for 40 days for life. You know, the great work that they do with standing publicly against not just abortion, but just it in favor of and supportive protection of all human life as we say from conception and natural death. So all the heroic

36:36witness that the good people, all the people involved with 40 days for life for doing is A, okay, in my book something I'm more than happy to talk about and to praise. Wonderful, wonderful. Yeah, we've got Brian Kemper who's going to be our speaker the thunder in our area. I wish I had more time, but I've got to take a break, Mark. Thank you. Keep on trucking as we like to say back in the 70s. Our show sponsor Charity Mobile is a nationwide pro-life cell phone provider that offers flip phones, smartphones and the new wise phone or you can bring your own phone. New customers can mention Patrick for a special offer. Info at charity mobile dot com slash Patrick. That's charity mobile dot com slash Patrick. Get connected to the conversation. Call now 888 914 9149. That's 888 914 9149.

37:51Patrick Madrid is on now relevant radio. Patrick, come on man, don't keep going, don't keep going. What? What? Do you believe, do you buy into this slogan, Cyrus? Don't keep going. This was a real email. That's true. Come on man. All right back to work. Oh man. Yeah, I forgot about it. It's actually a catchy tune. Come on man. Come on man. Come on man. You know who started that? That was Maddie, a certain caller, a young woman in L.A. area.

38:52And I wonder what she's up to nowadays. I haven't heard from her in a long time. I only heard from her that one time. But the best thing she said in the entire conversation was, play it Sam. Hold on hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I got the doors are opening. Look at all the pretty buttons. Look at all the pretty buttons. All right. Oh, Maddie. Yeah. Come on man. Yeah. The dismissiveness in her tone was what I find funny. Come on man. Like come on. You're an idiot. What was it? We were talking about. I think it was a abortion abortion. Oh, it was contraception. That's right. Right. Yep. You're absolutely right. And she was not having, she was not having it. Come on man. And she's she actually said, so do you really believe that contraception is bad? And I said, yes, I do. Then she said, come on man. Yeah. And then it started, it kind of sparked a cavalcade of other callers. So was it, this was our first keep going? Was it, was it Scott?

40:01Come on man. That's the one. Right. Yeah. I think that's my favorite. Even over Maddie's one. Come on man. It's pretty good. I think I love the dismissiveness in the tone. Come on man. Man. That's so much. And what else you got? Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Come on man. That's I mean, come on. Maddie's the best. Maddie's the best. So I will say in the in the female category Maddie wins in the male category Scott wins. That's acceptable. Okay. One more time. So that was, I, this is the first keep going, right? This was, it was like the first thing that kind of caught on and we just stumbled into it and it took over. Yeah. So female winner. Come on man. Male winner. Nice job. Nice job. And before that, there was purpose driven cup of coffee. I remember that. I haven't said that in a while or purpose driven taco. We have a lot of fun here. Oh, and then we had a yes. That's true.

41:04You really want that on my car. I'm a cracker. Oh, I really don't. We have fun. Yeah. We have fun. But right now it's all about keep going. It's all about the fun. Let's continue with the fun. Let's go. All right. Let's go to Jim and Alexandria, Virginia. Hi, Jim. Hi, Patrick. How are you? I'm doing well. Thank you. You know, I was responding to a conversation you were having earlier. I think maybe in response to an email about how one tends to occasionally really react negatively to someone upon first meeting them. Yeah. And I've noticed this in my life over the years. And I realized it sort of falls into certain personality types. And anyone who comes across as overbearing or sort of I'm in command and you're not I tend to react to. And it always makes me think, okay, what in me is that that feels

42:06so negative about that because I think it can be tried a sensitive insecurity or whatever. So and as you mentioned, often when you get to know these people, they're really not like that and all. But it's just a interesting human interaction. We all have, you know, particular things that we react to. It's so true. So I don't feel alone. I mean, I knew that everybody has some experience with this. But you know, when I've considered in my own life as you I'm sure have as well, it can be really puzzling how come this person just has it out for me? I don't know. I didn't do anything. I didn't I didn't really talk to that person. And yet they seem to have it out for me. Why is that? I think it's that if we look inward like you're saying, look at ourselves and realize that we have the capacity to act that way toward others for no good reason. Sometimes there is a good reason. But often there isn't, right? Right. Yeah. I remember Jim. I'll share with you since we're

43:11sharing because you know, sharing is caring. But I remember when I was in it must have been about third grade. There was a girl in my class who her name was Faith. And all I remember about her was that she had very bad personal hygiene. She was, you know, just a little girl like any other little girl. She was, how old would you be in third grade? Maybe eight years old, nine years old, something like that. I think her family was very poor. And she was always she always kind of smelled. You get near her and you could smell the body odor. And I had an aversion to her because of that. So I never talked to her. I never paid really any attention to her at all. But my overwriting memory of this little girl named Faith who I never really got to know at all, you know, what do you

44:11third grade? But later in life, I reflected on this later. I don't think I've ever talked about this before on the air later in life in my probably mid to late 20s. I'm I was working with somebody, a woman whose name was Faith. And at first, I didn't think about it at all, but eventually it kind of dawned on me and I pondered it. I realized I had taken a dislike to her for no reason other than her name was Faith. And it brought back in my mind, subliminally, this association with the unpleasantness of the girl back in third grade. I'd never thought about it, never thought about her ever again after third grade. But I couldn't figure out what is she's a nice lady. What is it about her that is off putting to me? And then it dawned on me that that's all it was. It was just her name. And it brought back that negative association. And I kicked myself and I went out of my way to

45:12try to be really nice to her. And she was a nice lady. But I realized this is a really weird limitation of my own. And without going into other details, I'll just say I've noticed it too in the past where if somebody looks like somebody I knew from long ago that I didn't like or who didn't like me, even just the resemblance can be enough to start that initial dislike, which is stupid when you think about it, right? That's what I think anyway. Yeah, and I just think any of these sort of reactions within us are just opportunities to try to perfect in love, you know, our response to people because Jesus loves everybody. I'm obligated to love them too. So let's just get past this and start loving people. I agree. And what's your secret for loving people who are very unlovable? Oh, you know, I think it's to be at a minimum polite to them.

46:19And I'm in your mind that this is God's person. And they're deserving of love as much as I am. And to simply not to try to act instead of react in other words, don't let myself be controlled by that negative emotion. That's a good point. I do agree with you on that. Well, thank you, Jim. I bet you have lots of good friends. God bless you. Let's go now to Russ in Manasha, Wisconsin. Hi, Russ. Hi, Patrick. Thank you for taking my call. I'm a first time caller, but I've been listening, I think since relevant radio was founded quite a while ago. Well, thank you for that. Anyway, yeah, I have a lot of friends who, maybe not a lot of few friends, I think they're friends who really like the Latin mass and they try to go as often as they can. And I believe it's because they think it's more reverent

47:22than the Norvis Norvis Ordo fight for us, right? Yeah, yes. And then and then look at the Magisterium and the Bishops and were against the team to be against the Latin mass pretty much. And some of them are. That's true. Not all, but it is true that some are against it. Yeah. But it seems like their main argument is it's it's not in the vernacular. You can't understand it. I got to say I went I went to a Latin mass wedding once. And in the middle of the mass, my wife turns to me and she says, do you know where they are? And I said no, but I'm on the third decade of the Rosary. So I don't really go for the Latin mass myself, but these liturgy words, it seems to me that why wouldn't they just take so here's my question. What do you think about just taking the Latin mass and exactly translating it into the vernacular into English? I did print

48:29on a copy of the Latin mass in English. And I mean, there's a few differences, but it's not significant. What would that help bring the two together if you were allowed to say the exact Latin mass only in the vernacular? Then the then the bishops that are against it would not be able to say, you know, it's not because it's in the vernacular. Yeah. I still would be wrong. Well, I can only speculate and the new right of the mass in Latin for many people, and I'm going to do kind of a switcheroo on you here for a second Ross, the new right of the mass in Latin for many people is indistinguishable to them at least from the traditional Latin mass. Now there are great distinctions, but when they hear Latin and they hear the mass, the new mass entirely in Latin, I've known any number of people who have thought that they attended a traditional Latin mass when

49:33actually it was just the new mass in Latin. So my sense of it is that yes, that could be done. The the new mass as it was promulgated by Vatican II intended and overtly intended to remove some of the what were perceived to be repetitions and in elements of the traditional mass that are beautiful and in theologically very precise. And I would say definitely belong there, but in an interest to streamline things and to bring about greater lay participation in the mass, they they structured the new mass in such a way that it would be more in this was the the stated view. Their view or their goal was that it would be more accessible to the average person.

50:38And of course people are debating that to this day whether or not that's the case. But in theory, could it happen that the church would authorize an English or whatever other vernacular language translation of the traditional Latin mass exactly as it is? That's possible, I suppose. But the one downside among others would be that it would introduce yet another permutation. I think it would be better all the way around if we just had one mass. We have two masses now. We have the ancient mass and we have the new mass. And then to introduce yet a third sort of option might be somewhat more confusing. All good thoughts though Russ. I appreciate that. I just have to take a break. So we'll do that and I'll come back to more of your phone calls. 80-88-914-914-9. There's so much more to say about the traditional Latin mass. I love it. But I have to take a break.