The Yom Kippur War | Yaron & Nikos Dialogues

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2:05But a war actually remember and one that I think had probably a significant impact on my I don't know, shaping of who I am. And one that certainly left a strong kind of emotional residue with me. But, um, Tani, of course, the long version of what impacted your life. We being the 10 hour, your own life documentary. But before that, let's see how let's talk about the young people. That's right. And then I keep thinking about all the stuff I haven't yet. You know, all the stuff we skipped when we did the documentary. So, you know, it might be in my 10 hours might be too short. So we'll see. And then our producers going around and interviewing people. So, you know, there's no there's no end to this project. But today we're going to talk about the unki po' war series topic. It is, it was in October 6th at 2 p.m. Israel time in 1973. So I was 12

3:14years old. So I'll just start with this. I was 12 years old. And we were in synagogue because it was jonki po' and the one year, one day of the year where everybody in those days at least went to synagogue in Israel was jonki po' everybody goes. And some people drive to it. But anyway, everybody goes. And I was with my grandfather and my who was quite religious. My, my, my mother and whom mother when the, where in the women's section and my brother was with me. I had a my sister was one week old. So I don't know where she was. She was with my mother. But now I'm starting to think was my mother really there was she at home. I don't know at this point. So I don't know. But my sister was one week old. My brother was a 10 I was 12 and my dad was there and you know you go for the whole day. You're in the synagogue praying the whole day, right? And all morning we would see

4:19uniform men coming into the synagogue and going up to somebody, whispering something in the ear and you see the guy stand up and run out. And it's like, whoa, people are being called up to military service. What is going on? And it kind of happened. Gryps and drabs little by little during, you know, during the, during the synagogue thing. Just for some context for people. This would be the equivalent of a war starting on the day of Christmas, let's say for England, or for Greece or Russia on the day of Easter. And although you said the war started at two o'clock, the leadership knows all hours before the war would start. So someone comes in the synagogue and whispers, but the rest of the people don't know what is happening. There are no sirens yet. So we don't know what is going on, absolutely. And at 2 p.m, the sirens go off. And

5:27you know, people are pretty horrified. So there is a air-age shelter in the synagogue. Those days the one of ballistic missiles, rockets were not the issue was bombing by the Air Force, the Egyptian Air Force. But nobody knew what was going on, right? No internet, no cell phones. It's hard to imagine. You're kind of in a completely isolated. So my dad immediately says, I'm going home to get my uniform and I'm going, right? He didn't wait to be called up. So what is your father at that point? God, I was 12. So he is 38. So he's a reserve. He's a reserve, he's a physician. He's a reserve. He serves to inepuate. You know, everybody served and he was a reserve and he served about a month, a year, or a few weeks, a year. So he knew what his unit was. He knew where he would go because the emergency procedures.

6:31You know, I don't even know where exactly he went that day and what exactly happened. All I know is that he went home, basically got his uniform, got his some gear and I think he had a weapon in the house and basekey off the base. And we were in the air-age shelter at the synagogue while, you know, what this was happening and really all the men disappear, right? So all the men are gone. We're in the synagogue and we later went home. I think he was gone by then. He didn't tell you something or was this at the six day world? No, the six day world. Six day world. He told me, you know, the man in the out, you know, the man of family. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But no, he was basically, you know, so we lived in an apartment building with, I think, five apartments and, you know, all the men were gone. So I was basically the oldest male in the building and, you know, we spent the first three, four days. We spent a lot of time in air-age shelter. You know, we'd go up and down the stairs during the day as air-age sirens would go

7:36off with a fear of bombing constant fear of bombing from the Syrians. And you relied on television. All you had was one channel, which provided you black and white, which provided you with all the information that you would get about sensor, sensor information. Very much because the channel is a government run channel. So you're only getting information the government approves of and the government is allowing it to be filtered out. So, and in the meantime, yeah, I mean, the men all gone and you don't hear from them and my dad was gone for weeks and we heard maybe once a week, maybe, maybe less than that during that period. So, yeah, so that's my kind of, that was my experience of the beginning of that war. But as you said, Israeli leadership knew about this war or had indications that this war was happening. It still was a surprise in many, in many respect. So at

8:38least the fact that it happened was a surprise, even though there were some warnings. Talk a little bit about, it's called the intelligence failure or really it's not intelligence failure, the political failure. Before we talk about that, let us give some idea to people what is Israel at that time in 1973 because it's a different counter from what it is today and we will need the help of the map here. Is the map properly visible? Yes, you guys see it. I mean, do you have a light that you're generally a little darker than usual, I think, no? Okay, speak a bit and I'll fix it, find the story. So yes, you can see the map of Israel there, Nicos is going to elaborate on it. But you know, one of the great traumas of being a kid during the war like this was the fact that you would stand by the window and you would see these cars coming by with military personnel in

9:44it, two military personnel, usually a man and a woman, they would come out of the car with flowers in their hands and you would know that what that signified was somebody in your segment of the street, somebody had been killed. And you would watch to when they come into your building, to your apartment, was this to let you know, or were they going somewhere else? So this would be the first time, you know, somebody would find out that their son or husband, father had been killed and you know, you could literally see which neighbor they were going to. It was a really horrific experience to see that. Yeah, that's the thing with the flower. It's yeah, anyway, let me switch to speak of you. I think I think my most love is right. That we're you and the entire screen and therefore we can see the map much better that way. Good. So this is Israel today, the Israel

10:49most people, most people know. But after the six day war includes the white, because that's the that's the West Bank, that white section. Yes, this is it's this is the West Bank. Show the way the golden highters. Here are the golden heights. Yep. So at the north. But after the six day war, after the nine, the 67 war, Israel gets all this, the Sinai Peninsula. So Israel more than doubles its size. So now after 67, Israel has seemingly seemingly impenetrable border, which is the Suez Canal. You can't see because it's very thin, but here you have water. This is a canal. So impenetrable as far as Egypt is concerned. Impenetrable as far as Egypt is concerned. So now Egypt is here. And this after the six day war after the 67 is the Barlev line named after the

11:50Israeli sea for stuff. And it is it looks like a medieval castle. So after the water, you have sand dunes, sand hills, the size of a three store building. Over there you have strong holds. Besides you have tank units that can move wherever. And also you have a mechanism that can throw flammable liquid in the canal and literally put it on fire on fire. So most Israeli generals believe and the average Israeli person believes that we are now safe because number one, the Egyptians are useless as fighters. We beat them easily in 56, easily in 67. We beat them with war swords in 48. Now we're going to every time it's going to be easier and easier than the last time. However, there are some people like Ariel Saron who say, static defense. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the

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16:08And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving? Also a plus. Organic Valley protein plus, sultry filtered milk. Protein plus, pasture-aiced. Learn more at organicvalley.com. In the 20th, late 20th century, it's not very safe, but Israelis have become cocky. So after the six-day war, it's like you know you watch Rocky 3 and then the beginning of Rocky 3, Rocky has is living a luxurious life, he's not training very hard. The Arabs are the opposite. The Arabs are now humbled and the Arabs are trying to think very much out of the box how they can break this barrier, how they can cross the Suez Canal and take back the Sinai Peninsula. I mean most of this is desert, so it's not that there's something important there, but in terms of giving you strategic depth space to defend before you get to the heartland, here is Cairo.

17:10I mean in Israel you get in, you have heartland already. So the Suez, so the Sinai Peninsula becomes the center of the Egyptian Israeli conflict after 1967. There are skirmishes, the so-called Atrician War, but the Israelis are very confident that this you cannot penetrate this line. Here on the north, the Syrians have lost the Golan Heights. Now you can see the Golan Heights, it's a very small area, but it gives you the benefit of you fight from a... It's a mountain, it's a hill, and it's flat on the top, those are the heights. It's all, I mean one of the things that's all volcanic rock, you know on top there, it's volcanic rock, but if you control the height of the Golan Heights, much of Israeli civilian population in the north is in a valley, is relatively lower down than you are, and you basically from the

18:18Golan Heights, you have pretty straightforward access to these really coasts. So if you go from there, the distance actually was the distance, the distance between the Golan Heights and Haifa, you can see Haifa there kind of sticks out a little bit, is basically 60 to 70 kilometers. In other words 40 miles, that's it, 40 miles, right? So at 40 miles an hour, it takes an hour to get from the Golan Heights there. So it takes a tank, let's say a 20 miles an hour, it takes a two hours, right? So and once you get a Haifa, then the whole coast is available to you, which most of these Israeli population lives along that coast, between Haifa and Tel Aviv. And so all of Israel is completely open, available once you can get down from the heights in into the valley and towards, to which I've got here, we have Jordan in retrospect.

19:19We know that Jordan did not enter the world that we're about to discuss, but the Israelis at that point were not sure about it. So you are also exposed in all this area, in all this area here. So a penetration on the north, I mean if they penetrate here, it's a defeat, it's not the end of the world. If they penetrate from the north, you are in trouble. Yep. I mean the very existence of Israel isn't trouble. If a penetration happens in the north. And what else, I want to say something about the Balev line, the Balev line, which is the fortifications along. So Balev was the chief of staff of the military at the time, it was named after him, it was his idea. I was sure on who was the commander of the southern command. So he commanded the the the Sinai Desert, commanded the border with Egypt, objected. He thought, as Niko said, a static defense was wrong. He wanted to have baske, mobile tank units set back from the

20:23Suez Canal. So they, they, they, they were away from artillery fire and, and be able to quickly respond to anything the Egyptians were, I mean, and as we'll see, I think Shoron's attitude or Shoron's strategy was turned out to be turned out to be vindicated the Balev line failed. And Shoron had also important to the story as we go on. Shoron was three months before the war started. The unkiple war started to Shoron were tired from the military. He had, he was, he wanted to be chief of staff. It was clear to him at that point that he would never be chief of staff. He had always been a controversial figure within these really military. He was known as somebody who didn't necessarily follow orders. He was accused of lying on several occasions. He was politically not close to, let's say, the labor party. Yeah, he's politically underweight. He was the only way you could become someone in the army, is if you were in this

21:25clique of Daian, Golda made back then was the prime minister. So let's say the labor party controlled the army, Bureaucracy when it comes to who rises. Yeah, absolutely. In addition to that, he was a difficult general. He didn't, he spoke back to, you know, he was a typical Israeli in that sense. He spoke back to his commanding officers. He didn't necessarily do what he was told. He in the 1856 war engaged in some pretty disastrous, turned out high casualty event. And in on the other hand, the six-day war, he performed spectacularly. He was, he was a spectacular general of the six-day war. And he had the Southern command and he was on track to become chief staff, but he was not of the white political party. Just one of the element, just because we're talking about Al-Ayeh, Shilohan, which is I think interesting for maybe in the post-war.

22:26You know, in the early, one of the areas you could show on the map if you want, that Israel gains during the six-day war is the Gaza Strip. The Gaza Strip is, is not quite part of the Sinai. It's along the coast. It, it, it, it, it bulges into Israel. And it's a heavily populated area. It's much more populated than the Sinai Desert or any area in the Sinai Desert. And Israel gains the Gaza Strip. It doesn't really want the Gaza Strip, but it gains the Gaza Strip during the six-day war. And the Gaza is a problem from the beginning. The terrorists there, the PLO, gets established there very quickly. Much more than the West Bank, Gaza becomes a kind of a hub of terrorism against Israel in the late 1960s, early 1990s, particularly in the early 70s before the war. And in, and Alexander basically goes into the Gaza Strip with the military and shuts the terrorism down. I mean, he, he basically within months it, it, it, it, it, it, we

23:27eradicates the PLO in the Gaza, the Caribbean. Gaza remains quiet, relatively quiet. For, for, you know, probably 20 years or 15 years after that, you know, I remember 1970s being able to drive to Gaza and go to a market in Gaza City. And that was because of what I was showing did. He was considered brutal but incredibly effective. So an interesting story about how all personal differences would evaporate when it came to the moment of crisis. Mosedayyan, most people would know you the guy with the pass. Mosedayyan in 67 was a defense minister. He came just before the war. Anyway, he was in very, very bad personal terms with Saron. And yet, his daughter, Mosedayyan's daughter, serves as something like a journalist. And when Mosedayyan hears that she will be basically

24:28at the side of Ariel Saron, he's like, OK, now I can breathe easily. So even people who had very bad personal relations with him, all of them recognized him as this is a guy who is to be trusted at the moment of crisis. Unfortunately, as you said, they didn't hear him about the Barle of Lai. And this is the reason why Saron is actually living the, eventually, it starts a rift that makes him a person unknown grader. Of course, then when we talk about the war, remember people, if you, even if you leave the army, at the time of war, you return either as a reservist and the same applies to high officers. So we're going to see Saron later, although he left the army, he will be back at the time of the war. Yeah. And he leaves the army to go and go into politics. So he leaves the army for three months before the war. He is trying to establish a right wing, a center right wing block in Israeli politics. He calls it the liquid to this day that

25:29is Bibine Tenehau's political party. Really, it is a project of Sharon. After the war, he'll get elected into Israeli parliament and ultimately be Prime Minister. And ultimately be the guy who leaves the Gaza Strip. Ironically enough, I guess. But anyway, at this point, he'll play a big role in the story, particularly in the Sinai, the story of the Onki-Powal war. So Saluh also says something about the Arabs, though, because we spoke about what happens in Israel after 67. The short story, Israel becomes complacent because they are convinced that the Arabs are not going to be a serious threat. There is a name for this in Israel, it's called the concept. And the idea of the concept is, A, the Arabs are useless. And they will always be useless. And also, the Arabs are not going to attack because of some inside information that Israel supposedly

26:30have we might come back to. And it's important to note the similarities between that and the concept pre-October 7th. We'll get to that later. We'll get to that. But it's the same kind of fallacy. But one other thing about Israel in those days, which is important, I think, particularly for anybody's being to Israel now who is familiar with Israel today, it was not a rich country. I mean, relative to the Arab country, as rounded, it was relatively a successful country. But it's primarily successes at that time where agricultural. It was kind of a strong agriculture, strong agriculture, and a grouchel tech. But there was no technology. There was no boom. This was not a particularly rich country. It was hampered by socialism and stateism. And the other thing that it had just started receiving weapons from the United States in the late 60s and early 1970s. Before 67, Israel got no weapons from the US. So it still flew a lot of French airplanes.

27:32It still, the tanks were primarily almost all British tanks. There were Centurion tanks, which I actually served in. And it had no domestic real domestic arms manufacturers. They made the Uzi, but that's about it, which is not particularly good gun. Although, yeah, that's so much people in their mind, every war that Israel won is because of the US. This is the propaganda today of the U.S. Actually, at some point, we should do an episode only of this topic. How in every single war the United States operates in a way that, particularly before the war, makes Israel lives more difficult rather than they say yes to everything to Israel. Remind me to talk about this event today, because we'll see this in front of us. Because remember, Israel has a few hours a window where they know the Arabs are about to attack.

28:32So if you are the will think, okay, why doesn't them Israel do a preemptive strike? Yep. We'll get to that. And the answer has one name and that name is Kendrick Kissinger. But we'll get to that later. Well, and Nixon, right? And everything is going on in America. Remember, this is what a gate, this is, I mean, there's a lot of domestic strife going on. Yeah, it's too busy. Yeah. Anyway. So, yeah, they have a board. So, this is, so why don't you take it away with the Arab world and then we'll see. Okay. Very quickly, what's happening? The Arab world is in shock after the six day one. Imagine that you have a propaganda that for decades tells your people, you know, the Jews, they are inferior, we're going to crush them, we're going to throw them to the sea. And then you lose in six days. They're literally in shock. Nasser, the president of Egypt, has a nervous slash health breakdown. Nasser is after the six day war. He's in his office. He speaks to himself.

29:34He plays all the time on the radio reports from the war. He tries to understand what goes wrong. He never recovers and he dies from a heart attack in, I think, 1960, 1970. And it is because, partly because of the shock of the six day war in Syria, there is also a change of the leadership of the bath party. We have the father of the current Assad, the Assad that most people know, his father. And in Egypt, we have a guy called Sadat, who is completely different from Nasser. Nasser is charismatic. Sadat is more of a bureaucrat. But Sadat, there's two things that are very important. Number one. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain, and overall help to help you make better decisions every day, whether you're training, working, traveling, or just trying to fill your best. Woop shows you what helps your performance

30:36and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body, build better habits, see where Woop can take you. Try Woop free for 30 days at woop.com. It's 2026. We upgraded our phones, our cars, even our coffee. So why are we still acting like pleasure is negotiable? At Pink Cherry, it's not. They've got hundreds of toys that actually deliver. And if you don't know where to start, their mystery box is make it easy. Go to pinkcherry.com and use promo code Chelsea to save up to 80% site-wide, because life is hard, feeling good shouldn't be. Pinkcherry.com, because everyone deserves pleasure. This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Okay, we've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bowen. And wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet?

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33:37Organic Valley protein plus salt refuelter milk. Protein plus pasture raised. Learn more at organicvalley.com. He throws away all the cronies from the army. So now the Egyptian army is not idiots who just lick the boots of the leader. He has now more serious military men with serious military education. And also the most important thing. He finds a man. I would call him a man of the mind. Someone who is a very, very clever person, a guy called Sazli and makes him seep of stuff and tells him, I have an impossible mission for you. No pressure but find a way to penetrate the bar level line. Again, a line that everyone thought is in penetrable. And Sazli spends years figuring very ingenious ways of how to cross the line. For example, he thinks, how can you take down the sand hills?

34:41You cannot do it with dynamite because you cannot dynamite the sand. So he thinks when there is a sand castle, the sand castle is destroyed with water. And he brings hundreds of fire fighter water hoses. And he thinks this is how I'm going to bring down the castles. And he finds various ingenious ways on how to break the bar level line. And the Egyptians rehearse again and again and again and again. They rehearse so much that the Israelis are so used to the rehearsals that they don't take them seriously. It's like these stupid Egyptians they rehearse. But they rehearse for what? This line is in penetrable. The other big development in the Arab world is the Soviet assistants. And the Soviet assistants begins literally the week after the six day war. So the Soviets, it's a problem for their pride. How did our clients lose so bad? So they sent a very serious delegation. They sent Marsal Zakarov.

35:44This would be the equivalent of the United States sending General Patton to train the Israeli army after 48. So even symbolically, this is like, okay, we're taking this seriously. And they sent numerous people to the Arab world. Carg amounts of war material. Tanks, meagher planes, pilots for the airplanes, and tens of thousands of personnel to train the Egyptians, but also to operate these weapons. So the Arabs are working hard to change and go from the Chiascov 1967 to something else. Now what would be something else be? The chief of staff, the Egyptian chief of Sassali, again, is a very clever man. He realizes there's no chance I can get from here to here. We are not going to throw the juice to the sea. But what if we take a little territory here in the Sinai? What if we achieve a symbolic victory?

36:44The Arab pride will be boosted. And then if let's say we take this, we'll be able to negotiate with the Israelis. Now the Israelis are cocky because they're kicked are us in the six day war. But if we take a bit of land, we will humble them. They will come to the negotiation table. So he has a very, very minimalist goal. I just want to break the barbed-level line, symbolic heat against this and get a bit of land here. And if the Egyptians had actually followed this line, maybe the course of that war would have been different. And is there anything else he had on us that build up that we need to say? Yeah, I mean, I think Sadar also has, in the back of his mind, would like to be closer to the United States and would like ultimately distance himself from the Soviet Union. And he's trying to make overtures to the US with the US as uninterested because they view him as just a puppet of the Soviets. And so he thinks that if he can take the Swiss canal,

37:50if you remember the Swiss canal is closed, which is hooding Egypt's economy dramatically because Israel controls one side of it. If you can take it and then get Americans to facilitate the negotiation with Israel, then maybe you can get closer to the Americans and move away from the Soviets. The whole Soviet thing was a move by NASA, really, his predecessor, after the attempt by the French and the English to take the Swiss canal. In 1956, the Americans forced the French and the English to retreat, hoping that NASA would come to the America and he turned to the Soviet Union. So Sadar is, you know, as his actions later on will show, is a thinker. I mean, he has a long-term strategy. As a goal is to come to some kind of accommodation with Israel ultimately because he views this war as hampering Egypt's ability to advance economically

38:52and in other ways. So the war for them, and this is different than Syria, I think, the war for the Egyptians is strategic. They want a foothold, they want to negotiate, they want to get close to the US, and they might be willing to kind of deal with Israel, which they would abide by. The Syrians want to destroy Israel. The Syrians think that is, they want to go on heights, they want to capture that back, they want the whole thing. But they also are quite happy, you know, if they can destroy Israel, they will. Note that Jordanians have learned their lesson, they learned it from entering the 1967 when they didn't have to, and when they answered the 1967, they asked, they really got humiliated. They're sitting out this one, so as a consequence. Not only they're sitting out this one, I mean, my favorite villain redemption story

39:53is King Hussein of Jordan. I mean, there's no going to be too interesting for the audience. I wish we could do an episode just for this person. A few weeks before the beginning of the Yom Kippur war, he is in disguise and he visits Golda Meir. And he, I mean, if this is, if the Arab street learns that, they're going to hank him from the lamppost, even though he's the king. So, officially, he's still an enemy of Israel, and officially, anyway, he didn't want to enter the six-day war. Devilhid does not want to enter this war, but not only that, he tells Golda the Arabs and the Egyptians are up to something no good. So, because if there is a war, there's something also selfishly important for him. If there is a war, there's going to be a men's pressure of him to enter the war. And he doesn't, so he would rather the Israel preempt in any way and not make this war possible

40:54so that then he will not be in a difficult position. But we mentioned the Israelis, we mentioned the Arabs, but this is the Cold War. So, shall we say one minute speak also about the big powers? What's happening around that time with Soviet Union and the USA? So, the international context is that in 1973 is the period of detent. Detent means something like reproachment, like becoming friends. So, Nixon, who is the president of the United States, and Presenev, who is the leader of Soviet Union, they have started building a personal relationship. And what Nixon wants, first and foremost, from the world at that time, he wants to disengage from Vietnam? Yep, to disengage from Vietnam, he needs the Soviets to push the Vietnamese to reach a deal. Nixon, guided by Kissinger, also does his weird thing that in 1972 he goes to Beijing, which was inconceivable.

41:59Again, his main goal is I want to end the war in Vietnam, the Chinese are helping the Vietnamese. Now, the Soviets get fear of missing out. So, Presenev invites the Nixon to Moscow, he's like, what are you doing with these Chinese? They're barbarians, they're orientals, we are Westerners, we should rule the world together. So, this is the priority of Nixon. The way Nixon views the Middle East is, look, I don't want the allies of the Soviets to gain food hold because this is a big, this is big for Soviet Union, I want the start to squaw, basically there. And I don't care too much about Israel, Presenev. He's not also the best friend of the Jews in his personal life. He has a lot of anti-Semitic prejudices, not unusual for the 70s, but let's put it on the table. And at the same time, he does not, the only way he cares about Israel is that Israel is an ally, so if Israel loses the Soviet Union is winning.

43:00So, we have this very weird balance of power that we don't want the enemies of Soviet Union to lose, but also we don't want to unnecessary tension with the Soviet Union. So, this is the cold war context around that time. So, Israel is getting intelligence in the days, weeks, and then in the days leading up to this, of an in-minute attack. I mean, it turns out that, what is it, that's Sun and Law. Nasser, Sun and Law. That's right, Nasser Sun and Law isn't Israeli spy. There's a good, you know, at least that's the theory. And there's a movie about it. I can't share the name of the movie, but there's a movie about this. Anyway, there's reason to believe he gives information where, you know, to these Israelis, before the war, that the war is going to happen. Part of the issue is these Israelis don't know whether to believe it or not, because it's a Nasser Sun and Law.

44:02So, he gave them a warning in May. Yes. So, this was the so-called in-law, because he was the son-in-law of the son of Nasser. He had the nickname, the angel, because he was the most important spy the Mossad ever had. Still today, we are not sure. If this was actually a guy who wanted to help Israel, or if he was a double agent, and he did all this to Mr. Erick. So, in May, he told to Israel an attack is imminent. Israel mobilizes the population for nothing. And there is a election at the end of October. So, now, there's a lot of political costs for Dayan and Golda Mayor. If the mobilized the population, because the mobilization costs a lot of money, it's, you know, better these things. So, if the, so, for political reasons, they don't want to mobilize, if they're not 200% sure that there's going to be an attack. And there is also the cry wolf syndrome. The Egyptians, they engage in a brilliant misdirection campaign.

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49:13We cannot communicate with the rest of the Arabs, so we are a mess. And the Israelis believe this because they want to believe this. Absolutely. Because this is in accordance with the concept. The Arabs are useless. They are afraid of us. We're gonna beat them from now to eternity. We are safe. So, but a few hours before, and maybe the night, maybe the day before the attack actually happens, the Israeli leadership is, is becomes more confident that an attack is actually going to happen. Intelligence, other intelligence is coming in. And it seems like it's actually gonna happen, not just in Egypt but also in Syria. And at this point, you have to make a decision about whether to call up the reserves or not. And at least the night before, they also have to decide whether to preempt us.

50:13And here it's important to note that in 1967, Israel preempted. So Israel was convinced, a war was gonna start with Egyptians at least. And so it launched an attack, destroyed the entire Egyptian and Syrian air forces. And a big part of the, of the, of the routing of the, of the Arab armies was the fact that, you know, basically Israel engaged in war on its terms. It, it did a preemptive strike. So it had the possibility of doing the preemptive strike this time. But, and it was, and Golda Mew, and there's a, there's a movie called Golda, which I recommend, it's, it's worth, it's worth seeing. The Huma, Huga Zolso, play Dynirant. Yes. Helen Mewren. And Golda, Golda makes the call to the United States, to find out, you know, what would Americans think if,

51:13if we engage in a preemptive war? And what is Kissinger Teller? He tells here, forget about it. But it's, it's not just what Kissinger said. The Israeli leadership has so much internalized that we cannot engage in a preemptive strike without the, okay, from the Americans, that Mosed Dayan said something like, we will not preempt even if this would give us the key to paradise, that's probably like an Israeli saying, which doesn't translate well. So already this is desperate for Israel because in their worst case scenario in their minds, they would have information about an imminent attack 48 hours before. And that was the worst case. Actually now they find themselves have like 12 hours before the attack. And here's an important detail. They think the attack will start at six o'clock. Even that they get wrong. Actually the attack started at two. So they had very few hours, but within this very few hours, they basically freeze.

52:14They do not do the preemptive strike because they are afraid that then the Americans, and the Americans have told them, look, let them attack you first. You might get a bit, you might get more casual this in this and leave, but you will win eventually. And we will hope you, we will, we will, we will take out all the stops to help you, right? If you let them attack first, but if you don't, if you preempt, you can't count enough support. You can't count enough hope. Explain these a bit like philosophically. What does this come from? This is such a weird idea that you should, you should get the first bullet. Like there's something very twisted. There's something very sick in it. Well, it is, but that, you know, there's a, there's a long history we've talked about this in Westerns, right? There's a long history of the fear fight, right? No, there should be a fear fight between good and evil. Good should take every advantage possible. The whole idea of just war theory is, you're allowed to defend yourself, but the defense has to be, you have to be sure that you've been attacked.

53:15And the only way you can be sure that you're acting as self-defense is to wait until the other side punches you in the face first. So, so this is how tourism really deeply and co-cated into American foreign policy. It expresses itself in war more than in any other realm because it's so life and death. And look, the US also has very little to lose, right? Then I'm gonna take the casualties. Israel will take the casualties. And the US will be able to say, look, we're hoping Israel, because they got attacked. Whereas if Israel preempts, then they're a world. And so here's another important point. At this point, the United States is a net energy importer. It is importing oil from the Middle East. It's relationship with Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States is crucially important for American security. So, they do not want to piss off the Saudis,

54:15which they do, and the oil and balgo happens, but they do not want to piss off the Saudis. So, the United States is in a position of saying, look, we can justify helping you if you've really been attacked, but we can't justify helping you if you preempt, because the Arabs will say, oh, we never intended to attack. This is a war initiated by the Israelis. So, it's cowardice. It's a real politic, very much real politic, right? We have to think about all the different forces on the map. And then it's altruism. It's altruism through and through. And this is Kissinger primarily, because I think Nixon, as you said, doesn't really have the time for this. He's got other things he's worried about. And I think the person really running for policy is Kissinger. Kissinger is also a Jew, by the way. Yes, I was gonna say that. Kissinger is a Jew. So, there's another element here, which is that Kissinger has to show that he's not biased

55:18because he's a Jew, that he's not faving Israel. I mean, imagine what Tekka Kalsam would do if the Secretary of State was a Jew and salt help to, I mean, look what he's doing when the Secretary of State is a Christian nationalist and they're going to fight a war with Israel. So, imagine what would happen if they're not secretive states. They're a war is a Christian national. Imagine what would happen if he was a Jew. So, there's a lot of things going on in terms of American domestic policy and American fall policy that impact this. And here's another really, really important element. Is those whole strategic positioning in terms of militarily? And this is true in 73, it's true today as well. Is that the regular army, the enlisted army cannot win the war by itself. The enlisted army, its purpose is to hold on until the reserves can come.

56:19And the reason you mentioned 48 hours, the reason Israel needed 48 hours in order to get ready for a war is because it took 48 hours to get the reserve units to the front and maybe longer than 48 hours as it turned out to be. But 48 hours is the minimum. So, yeah, you remember, you have to get the soldiers equipped. You have to get the tanks out of warehouses, out of where they're stored. You have to get the ammunition onto the tank, into the tank, in a sense, the tanks are all mothballed. Right, you've got thousands of tanks mothballed. You have to get each tank of crew. You have to make sure the crew is led by somebody, the brigades and, and yes, Israel practices all this, but it takes at least 48 hours to get it into the battlefield. Now Israel, as we saw in the map, tiny little country. In 48 hours, it could be overrun as almost happened October 7th. So, you know, and this is the same problem.

57:22In October 7th, by the time you get the reserves out, you might have lost. So, you need the 48 hours of intelligence in order to get the reserves up to the front line. Generally, the enlisted in Israel are considered the cannon fodder. Right, they're there to hold off their attack until the reserves come and the reserves win the war. Right, and the on-key parole, it's exactly what happened. Right. And one last thing to say here, many people refer to this surprise as an intelligence failure. I mean, in the university, we were taught about it as the most historic reason here, element of strategic surprise. My hot take here would be more than intelligence failure is evasion. Because the Israeli leadership gets the necessary information. I mean, for God's sake, two days before the war,

58:22the families of the Soviet advisors live and mass, Syria needs it. And the explanation is, oh, this is just maybe Sadat has again a feud with the Soviets. But then why are the families living? But the actual war experts stay back. So, Israel has the information. But because the information goes against the concept, this belief that the Arabs are never going to attack, this is why it is surprised. And didn't something similar happen in October 7? Yes. In which case, the concept is, we figure it out with Hamas. They get the money, they get the nice houses, they get the women, the drugs. They now they're not fanatics anymore. And although Netanyahu is getting information, allegedly also from foreign Arab leaders as it happened with King Hussein in 73, he's like, we have a preconceived version in our mind. Hamas is not a danger anymore. And therefore, no amount of information and warning is going to put us in alert.

59:25And no one big difference is that after the Okipo War, the entire political leadership of Israel was replaced. Gold left, Dejan left. You know, ultimately there were elections a few years later, in 1977 and that political party, the labor party for the first time in Israeli history was defeated. But even before that defeat, the people in charge, particularly Goldemi and Moshe Dejan, he was the fence secretary, she was the prime minister, they had a retire from office. That has not happened in Israel this time. The people in charge, the people in the military who were in charge have overtired, have all left. But the people in politics still deny to this day that they did anything wrong pre-October 7th. And to me, I've got lots of reasons for voting against Netanyahu, this coming election. This is the number one, October 7th.

1:00:27He was the guy, he was responsible. One way or the other, it's on him. And Golda and Moshe Dejan were legends, giants, found his fascinative Israel. They were the last political leaders from that group that literally founded the state of Israel in 1948. They, you know, Dejan had a reputation in the pre-Israel time as a fighter and then in the war of independence. That's where he established, he lost his eye, pre-war of independence, I think, and in battle. And I think for the briefings, yeah, these were giants, these were considered giants of the Israeli founding. And yet, this was it. I mean, they obviously had failed and the public and they took responsibility for what, for their failure. And they walked away again. They also took responsibility first and foremost in their hearts and in their mind. But let's get to the fact.

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1:05:35and the artillery bombing is so heavy, there's so many explosions per second, that the few Israelis who are here, as you said, it's only the people who are on duty, practically. There's not serious reinforcements. We're talking about a few thousand, and these people experience it, not as a series of explosions, they experience it as one explosion, lasting something like an hour. They experience it literally as an earthquake, as an endless road. It must be completely apocalyptic. Go find on YouTube people, interviews from these people. It must have been something out of this world. And the Syrians on the north, they attack the Golan, again in all possible ways, airplane bombing, artillery bombing and the tanks. And as the Egyptians overwhelm the defense in the Barle of Line, through some very clever ways they found, they bring some mobile bridges,

1:06:38and they cross now also with tanks, and they cross also with artillery. So now it's a full scale, not just a tank, but also invasion. And within a few hours, the Egyptians are kilometers inside the Sinai. So in the Sinai, it's initially, it's a complete defeat. Now someone, and then we'll get to the Golan, but before that one last point, someone would ask, why doesn't the Israeli Air Force, which was a decisive factor in the six-day war? Why don't they fly and destroy the Egyptians? The reason is because due to the Soviet help, the Egyptians now have so-called some missiles, some missiles, surface to air missiles. These are the side of a tree. They fight, they fly in groups of four, and they are, they wreak havoc to the Israeli airplane. So, Israeli's lose, some like a third of the airplane that they send, so they bring the airplanes back, and they realize that, yeah, in the Sinai,

1:07:39we've been overwhelmed. And, but the most famous stories of... And the same, just to say something about the sun, the same thing happens in the Golanites, so the Air Force is basically taken out of the battle, of the war in this early stages. And I'll just say, I mean, this is... Israel learned this lesson really, I mean, this is one of the virtues, right, of Israel. They took this lesson apart. And since that war, almost no Israeli airplanes have ever been shot down by surface to air missile. And the reason for that is, Israel immediately after this war, went about developing tactics to evade these missiles. And today, you know, you've got the most advanced Russian systems in Syria and in Iran. And they can't touch these Israeli airplanes. And that's because of tech, and it's because of, you know, all kinds of ways in which the airplane today

1:08:41deceives the system. But already in the 1982 war in Lebanon, when they went up against Syrian air defense systems, the Syrian air defense systems were completely neutralized and could not pull down an Israeli plane. So one of the big lessons from this was, oh, how do we resurrect the Air Force? How do we actually figure out a way to fly and not be susceptible to these, you know, defense systems? And Israel is probably the best in the world at that, probably better than the US, better than anybody at avoiding air defense systems. So before I pass it to Yaron, to tell us about some stories of heroism, equivalent maybe to the 300 intermopulate that happened on the north, just to make the point of what the disaster of the first hours are. So within the first day, some 90,000 Egyptians crossed the Sinai. And Israel has already lost its two main advantages

1:09:44of Israel is intelligence and air force. And both these two are thrown from the window. Intelligence has failed. And the Air Force is not really a factor at this point of the world. So things look very, very, very bleak in the first hours of the war. And it's not going to get better because the first hours of the war are very bad also in the Sinai. There are no... In the Golden Heights. Sorry, in the Golden Heights. There are no reserves yet there. So the few people with the few tank battalions here, they have to face a swarm of Syrian tanks. The way they would describe it is, I didn't know that so many tanks existed in the world, and they are all coming towards us. So, you know, see here some numbers, Syria threw about 1400 tanks into that early battle, about 1,000 pieces of artillery, and tens of thousands of ground troops.

1:10:45Israel, at that point in time, the first couple of days, had basically two armored brigades, about 170 to 180 tanks facing 1400 tanks. So we're talking about an eight to one ratio. The seventh armored brigade, the Israeli seventh armored brigade, which I remember because I was a part of the seventh armored brigade years after this war. Well, not that long after this war, six years after the war, I was in the Golden Heights as part of the seventh armored brigade. They held the northern part of the Golden Heights, and there was a... 188th brigade held the southern part of the Golden Heights. There were some small infantry garrisons in fortified positions along the Golden Heights, but in the Golden Heights, you had the military headquarters to the entire north of Israel. So the military headquarters there with the generals in charge of everything. And, you know, overlooking the Golden Heights,

1:11:47there's one mountain, the only place in Israel that gets regular snow is the Chermon Mountain. And the Chermon Mountain, there was an intelligence and a base right at the top of it, where it had kind of the ability to not only to listen in, but to view everything going on in the Golden Heights. In the first hour, that gets taken out. So Syrian commandos, land in helicopters at the Chermon, and they take it out. They kill almost everybody there. And they take control of the strategically important location. The seventh brigade is basically, you know, this is where the, what's called the Valley of the Tears happen. You know, the hundreds of tanks are approaching them. Many of these really tanks get destroyed in the very, very early hours of the battle. They're very few tanks by day two. They're very, very few tanks that are standing between Israel

1:12:51and between the Syrians. Now, that's the north, the north is hillier, and their valleys and so on. The south is more flat. The south is just overrun. And the Syrians just overrun this flat terrain. The brigade, the Israeli brigade over there is overrun in the early hours. And by the night of October 6th into October 7th, the Syrian army has basically has an open road to the Jordan River and the bridges on the Jordan River and therefore into mainland Israel and into the civilian population that is in the valleys beneath the Golden Heights. I mean, this is where one of the really truly amazing stories happens, a tanker by the name of Green Gold who is a reservist.

1:13:51And he arrives without a unit. He finds a tank with a couple of guys, you know, with three other guys. He rallies them together and he finds one or two other tanks. So there are about two or three tanks and they basically fight for 20 hours straight. Maybe with a tank, maybe two or three tanks at most pretending that their entire brigade. So they're constantly talking with one of the, and pretending that there's a bunch of other tanks there. They're constantly shifting positions or they're firing from different locations. So Syrians think there are a lot of tanks coming at them. This slows down the Syrian progress, but there's nothing there, right? If the Syrians just continue to go, they would be inside Israel within hours. Indeed, they are still, I think they're kept there, but they're still the remnants of the Syrian tanks that made the most progress west. Did you can find at the bottom of the Golden Age, they came down. They were about to cross the Jordan River. And to this day, there's a big controversy about

1:14:53why the Syrians just didn't, just some of it's the heroism of these really soldiers. A big chunk of it is a bad strategy and a part of the Syrians. Were they worried about logistics, getting logistics to their forward? There's some stories they were worried about at Ruby Trap. They thought, this is too easy. Wait a minute, this is way too easy. Already in the Jordan River, they must have a trap. They must be drawing us into a trap. They were afraid that their own Air Force would bond their own tanks because they didn't, when communicating that well. Lots of reasons why, but the point is they stopped. In the north, the seventh brigade, forward in what was called the Valley of Tears, against hundreds of tanks, again, very small units. There's just famous stories about a Vigilokalans tank, battalion, the basically one group of tanks slowed down the entire Syrian army.

1:15:55So these were immense, immense egregious acts over those two days. And then even in day two and day three, you got reservists coming in. You know what the tank here, a tank there, not in organized fashion. So, you know, those first two days, I think were probably the closest Israel's ever gone and to being defeated. Both in Sinai in Golan Heights, down in the Sinai, a defeat would have been bad, but not existential. In the Golan Heights it was existential. Moshedayyan, the Secretary, actually went on a helicopter and toured the Golan Heights. Positions and was so traumatized by it. I think he had what some call them until breakdown, but he was definitely convinced that it was it, that Israel was losing. You know, the destruction of the third temple,

1:16:57which is Israel, the destruction of Israel was imminent. And this is where you might have heard the stories, their only stories, the rumors, we don't know for fact. But this is where supposedly he and Goldemeyo, who ordered the preparation of the Israel's nuclear weapons, maybe even put them up into the air and planes, getting ready for, you know, Nukin, Cairo and Damascus. If Israel was indeed on the threshold of annihilation, but it was that close, that those first two days, well into I think the eighth of October, this was really, really on the precipice of a massive defeat. It's interesting, I quickly then, particularly in the north, it turns around, but I'll let Nikos step in here before we talk about that. Let's emphasize for one second what you just said. So Moussenda Yam is not someone who is not familiar with violence, with death.

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1:20:02This is Ashley Akinetti from The Ben and Ashley I, almost same as podcasts. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows, to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money, with flexible ways to pay, cashback that builds automatically, everything in one place, and support that makes everyday decisions that feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more. California resident loans made a range pursuant to a California finance law license, and MLS number 1353190, or Clarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply.

1:21:03Organic Valley protein plus, ultra-filter milk is pasture-aiced from cows that might take more steps than most people. That's a plus, and it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk. That's a big plus. And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving, also a plus. Organic Valley protein plus, ultra-filter milk. Protein plus, pasture-aiced. Learn more at organicvalley.com. Actually, an air was breakdown. He is preparing to give a speech on TV. And gold-a-made gives an order. Don't let this guy appear on camera. This guy has completely lost it. This guy has become, he wants to resign. He... Now, even gold at herself in the retrospect, or at least her family tells us that, see, consider that, see, had with her, we don't know, pills, a weapon, see, consider that if there is a defeat,

1:22:04she would take her own life. That this cross-cher mind, that this might be it. This might be it. On the 8th, there is the first Israeli counterattack on Sinai. A very failed counterattack. It is as if the clock of a war strategy has gone back decade. The attack only with their tanks. It's a fiasco. These Egyptians have also these sagger missiles. Think of it, it's a missile that you can carry in a suitcase. And you can direct it with something like a joystick, picture like a video game, you have a screen. But these wrecks havoc with the Israeli tanks. So even the counterattack is actually failing. Again, this is another area in which is where learnt the lesson. And if you look at the Milkava tank and modern tanks, very resistant to things like the saga and to anti-tank missiles. So a lot of technology, American technology

1:23:08and Israeli technology was developed in response to the failure of the Yonki Poo'u. Yeah. And the Europeans will be like, oh, it's all from the Americans. The Milkava tank, correct me if I'm wrong. It has been designed by one of the heroes of the six the world general tal, Am I right? Yeah, I mean, it's an Israeli-made tank. It's orientation, the exact opposite of the Soviets. It's orientation is towards a coup safety, coup survivability. Tell it to tank, you want the people to survive. And today, I think they even have air conditioning inside the tank, stuff like that. So comfort. And it was also one of the first tanks to use laser sightings for them and the Abrams, among the two first tanks to use laser sightings. So the Syrian soldier had night infrared things.

1:24:09Imagine of the light on Predator. How horrified it must be for Israelis. You see a red light. And the next second, you realize, OK, that's it. So the Israelis did not have that. Yeah, so Israel developed it, so learned from this, and developed its own military capabilities in a post-73 war. So a lot of the Israeli precursors to the tech industry, the people who did military tech, that really became a big deal in the 70s and the post-Jump Kippur War. And by the 1980s, Israel dominated technology. And it wasn't all American. Indeed, the US learned a lot from the Israelis. Israel was fighting the wars using American equipment, learning what worked and what didn't work. It is American manufacturers who learned from the Israelis how to make the equipment better. And learned from the reality is the first T-72 that any Western country ever got to be able to analyze

1:25:11and figure out how to fight against. Israel captured in 82 and delivered to the United States. So this idea that Israel is dependent on the United States totally is there's elements of truth to it in the sense of just quantity of ammunition. But in terms of the tech, much of the tech is Israeli tech. And if anything, a lot of the contribution goes from Israel to the US, not just the US to Israel. Men speaking of the US. So after the 10th of the October, the front stabilizes a bit, the Syrians, their momentum is gone. So let me finish the Golan Heights then, because by the 10th, Israel's actually pushed them back. And they are now by the 10th. So this is four days in. They're already back to the original Golan Heights border. Israel is starting to move into Syria and towards Damascus. Damascus is... Look how close, look how close Damascus is. Damascus is not far away at all.

1:26:11So in Israel, we'll reach the outskirts of Damascus, until we range to Damascus, right? But in October 8th, right? So the 6th and 7th are disaster. So October 8th, the Israeli reserves are ready. And they counterattack. And they counterattack in the south, they counterattack in the north. And again, by the 10th, within two days of the counterattack, they are back to the original line and by the 11th, Israel crossed into Syria. And this will play an important role, because the Egyptians make a crucial mistake because Israel is heading towards Damascus. And the Egyptians feel somewhat responsible as a consequence. Now, note here that the north is the priority for Israel at this point. Like so, any reserves that are coming up

1:27:12are sent north, the fewer sent south to a large extent, because again, there's a strategic buffer in the south, the Sinai Desert. There's no strategic buffer in the north. And the north is liver die, right? As I said, I was in a Ehre shelter, 40 miles away from the front line. 40 miles away, which is nothing. So there was those off-synthes, that's where Israel makes real progress. And again, within four days, there's already turning the tide of the war completely against the Syrians. It's important to note, a lot of kids died, a lot of kids died in those four days. So in the first two days, the first, if you look at the casualties on the Israeli side in the Sinai and in the Golden Heights, they're all 18 to 20 years old. These are the enlisted guys. These are the, these are the scripted guys. These are the, the very few casualties among older Israelis.

1:28:12So you get a whole generation. The generation of winter, the army, and 70, 71, 72, they suffer enormous casualties. Israel, at this point, is what? Three million people, I think, that's the size of Israel. So more million, I think. And we're talking about, we're talking about, you know, about 2,000 casualties. So we're talking about a huge proportion, given the size of Israel, of that generation that are killed. So given the size of Israel, in three weeks, Israel has the equivalent of losses, the Americans had in like two decades in Vietnam, something like that. Yep, so, so yes, there are two days there where the existence of state of Israel was putting question, even by the top leadership in Israel, where the nukes were probably up in the air. But by the eighth, by the end of the eighth, by certainly by the ninth and the tenth, at least in the north that is over,

1:29:12and Israel is not pushing hard into Syria, it retakes the, the, the, the, I think my dad was, was part of that. It was a very, very bloody battle, because it was the soldiers that go up a mountain. I think he was at the bottom, receiving all the injured. But, but, so the north is basically taking care of, in a sense, the question really is, how far will Israel go, and, and we'll get to that in a minute in terms of the Soviet threat and everything. But Israel's heading towards Damascus, but it's much more complicated in the south. 9th of October, by the way, the Soviets resupply the Arabs, and on the 13th of October, so 13th of October means we are, let's say, a week in the war. The Israelis are pleading to the Americans, we are in trouble, and maybe the whole discussion around the nukes, which Kissinger today claims to them, and he's dead, but till for the his whole life, Kissinger claim,

1:30:15oh, I never heard about the nukes, but the mere mention of this was a pressure to the Americans that you need to help us. And indeed Nixon agrees, and he sends a very big air lift, let's put it, a convoy of air place, which was a logistical heroic achievement. It was so fast and so complicated, because the West is archaward, archaward pragmatists, no Western country, no ally of the United States in Europe, allows the American airplanes to refuel. With the exception of Portugal, not of Salazar, Salazar's had died, but it's basically the Salazar regime, and Netherlands also allows some logistical, every other European country, sets its airspace to the Americans to refuel. Nothing new in that sense, so it's exactly the same as today.

1:31:15But yeah, so I mean, the air lift is primarily ammunition, is yours running low in ammunition, it's probably airplane parts, but you're not gonna train pilots quickly, so and is yours last quite a few pilots, you lost quite a few pilots at the beginning of the war, but it's mainly ammunition, it's mainly to be able to keep the tanks going, and artillery going, this is a war very much for tanks, and artillery where airplanes are playing a much, much smaller role than they did before, and then they will do later. Later Israel becomes a Air Force powerhouse, primarily because it figures out how to deal with ground to MSOs. And also the air supply is a message to Kissinger, it's time for a ceasefire, but the Arabs are not yet ready. So the most important day of the war, in my view is the 14th of October, because this is when the Egyptians make the big mistakes. Remember, the clever guy, the chief of staff, Sazili,

1:32:18his goal was let's get a strong hold, just very close to the Swiss. We dig in there and we keep that, and we don't need to go further. But the Syrians are pleading to the political leadership of Egypt, they're pleading to Sadat, they say, Arab brothers, we are in trouble, they are coming to Damascus. So Sadat for political reasons, decides we need to push the Israelis in the Sinai so that some of their troops will leave the Golan and move south. So he does the stupid thing, so why were the Egyptians so successful here? Because they had their surface to air missiles, and they were protected from the Israeli Air Force. Now what the Egyptians do, they leave this safe area, close to the Swiss, these 10 kilometers, and they go further in. And this is music to the ears of the Israeli, because now they're not protected by the saggers

1:33:20and the sums so much, by the anti-Tang and the anti-aircraft units. So now the Israeli tanks can operate better, they have better support from artillery, maybe also from the air. And these changes, the momentum of the war. The tank battles are very fierce, the some say the biggest tank battles since World War II. But now the momentum has changed. Now Israel is chasing the Egyptians back to the canal. And remember now Israel has reserve units there. Another strategic mistake Egypt makes at this point is it moves some of its troops that were still on the west side of the canal to the east side in order to, and that leaves, as we'll see, the west side, undefended or weaker defense. So yes, on the 14th, crucial mistake, who knows how the war probably would have ended very similarly,

1:34:21but this made Israel's life a lot easier. This mistake by the Egyptians. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain, and overall help to help you make better decisions every day, whether you're training, working, traveling, or just trying to fill your best. Woop shows you what helps your performance and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body. Build better habits. See where woop can take you. Try woop free for 30 days at woop.com. It's 2026. We upgraded our phones, our cars, even our coffee. So why are we still acting like pleasure is negotiable? At Pink Cherry, it's not. They've got hundreds of toys that actually deliver. And if you don't know where to start, their mystery box is make it easy. Go to Pinkcherry.com and use promo code Chelsea to save up to 80% site-wide.

1:35:22Because life is hard, feeling good shouldn't be. Pinkcherry.com, because everyone deserves pleasure. This is Matt Rogers from Los Cultures. This is with Matt Rogers and Boan Yang. This is Boan Yang from Los Cultures. This is Matt Rogers and Boan Yang. Okay, we've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bo. And wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Well, the answer, egg yolks. Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles. Chefs use it, restaurants use it. People who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid hit.

1:36:22So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand, Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Akinetti from the Ben and Ashley I, almost same as podcasts. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty well. They've watched us go from dating shows, to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay, cashback that builds automatically, everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions that feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more.

1:37:23California resident loans made a range pursuant to a California finance law license, NMLS number 1353190, Clarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply. Organic Valley Protein Plus, Sultard Filtered Milk is pasture-aiced from cows that might take more steps than most people. That's a plus. And it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk. That's a big plus. And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving? Also a plus. Organic Valley Protein Plus, Sultard Filtered Milk. Protein Plus, pasture-aiced. Learn more at organicvalley.com. Before we go to the crossing of the canal by Saron, something else very important for the world happens on the 16th of October. Suddenly the people in the West, they go to the gas station and gas is up 70% in one day,

1:38:2370% in one day. That day was the 16th of October. Now I'm not good in maths, try to picture how much gas would be if tomorrow it would go up 70% in one day. Later it went further up. So what had happened? By coincidence, this was not planned. By coincidence, at the beginning of the war, the OPEC countries, the oil producing counters of the meat list, plus Venezuela, they were meeting somewhere in Europe. And very soon the Arabs are up in arms. They are telling the West, you are not going to get a oil if you keep supporting the Zionist entity. They didn't call it Israel, the Zionist entity. So they moved their meeting to family artillery to Kuwait and they become more, they stiffened their approach. Inecely, they put an embargo on some particular countries, the US obviously. I think also the UK, Japan, I think for some reason. But then they also reduce the production of oil.

1:39:23So even the countries that were not the recipients of the embargo or the non-recipients of oil, every country to put it simply, the oil prices went up. This brought such a havoc in many Western societies. In England, for example, they turned to a three day week, a three day working week because they didn't have enough oil, enough gas. We closed this paragraph, we can talk about it later. So on the 15th and the 17th, so now we're 10 days in the world, the battle becomes the battle of the crossing. And here it's important to note, this is where Shauhan plays a big role, right? Shauhan is giving command of a brigade in the Sinai. He is fighting with the leadership from day one, right? Shauhan is claiming that Israel should go on account offensive almost immediately.

1:40:24He wanted to abandon the battle of line and pull the troops back and then aggressively move forward. He also is arguing for this idea of a crossing, something that he had when he was command of the Southern District already prepared for. So, you know, I don't know if you wanna talk about this, but he actually, the infrastructure for crossing was actually there in the sand, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the Sris Canal, which he had prepared when he was, and now they were gonna utilize something that he had envisioned even in the past. I send you an email that at some point we should do an episode of the 25 most important people in the Liberty Movement. If we ever make an episode, who are the 25 generals, who are my military minds, Saron is on my list, no question ask,

1:41:26maybe he and Guderian are the most important tank battle leaders in the last, in the last 100 years. Saron's actually history was in the paratroopers. So, he was a special forces. He started the first special forces unit in Israeli military, the 101 brigade, I think it's called, which was then merged into paratroopers. He led the paratroopers for many years, and, but yes, in the Unki Poirot, he became a, you know, he did great things in the Sixth Day War, and then in the Unki Poirot War, he became a legend, partially because he was already prepared, and laid the foundation for this brilliant move, and then he fought for it. He had to argue with it because a lot of the other generals were very conservative and resisted kind of his aggressive moves. So, what does the crossing look like? First of all, there's a huge battle.

1:42:28The Israeli spot a gap. The gap is, by the way, this map is not great because I literally made them up because I couldn't find it, couldn't clear enough. So, this thing here is the great bitter lake, and the Israeli spot there a gap in the Egyptian defense. So, Saron crosses from there, and then he starts an encircling move. Why? Remember, Egyptians had already crossed. So, let's say here you have Egyptians, okay. I mean, this is not very accurate, but it works. You have two Egyptian armies. You have one in the south, which is where you drew right now. I think that's third, and then in the north is the first army. And they cross, and they go both north and south. The Israelis go north and south. I think Saron actually goes north, and another brigade goes south. And another brigade goes out. But what actually happens within days, and again, these are very harsh battles. This is not the walking the path. Absolutely. But by around the 20th, let's say,

1:43:29the Israelis haven't circled the third army. So, there are Israelis on the west side of the canal. What today's, or what back then was mainland Egypt. And there are also Israeli's here, okay. So, the Egyptians are encircled, and they're encircled in the desert, which means they are literally on the verge of dying from thirst and exposure to the elements. The Egyptians already had the horrible experience from the six-day war. The many literally walked, walked the Sinai to go back. I mean, it was horrendous, it was horrendous. And now, of course, Israel now is the strong guy. So, the world's public opinion, the Americans, as well, everyone puts huge pressure on Israelis, leave the third army alone. It's time to end the war. So, the Egyptians, it was okay for the Egyptians to start the war and try to push. But now that the Israelis got the upper hand,

1:44:30now the war has to stop, and there needs to be an urgent ceasefire. If it reminds you something, it's because it's what you've seen play out in the also in the car and go, war in Gaza, after October, after October 7th. And as you know, at this point, as us are pushing, it's going north in circle, the first army, south in circle, the third, and it's also pushing towards Cairo. And Israeli troops make it to famous kilometer 101 on the Cairo Suers Road, which is where the negotiations ultimately happened. Yeah, I'm not convinced that this would have been a very wise tactical move. Oh, no, they're not going to occupy Cairo. They're heading in that road, and this is where I think the Soviets intervene, and the Soviets see the Israelis going to Damascus, and they see the Israelis going to Cairo. And they basically say, if you get any closer, and it's part of the motivation for a ceasefire, if you get any closer, we're sending troops.

1:45:33So first of all, you mention about Saron that he was such an unconventional thing. Let us pause for a second and realize this is a very risky move, because in the same way that you have in circle, the Egyptians, the Egyptians can encircle you, they're Egyptians here, you're here, and there's, and you have to cross the Suez Canal. You have to do an amphibious assault with their Egyptians behind you and in front of you. And you somehow have to make this crossing. Now, they use paratroopers to make the initial crossing, then they built a bridge, and they crossed, they crossed with tanks, but this is an unbelievably difficult thing to do. And by the way, if the infrastructure hadn't been laid there in advance, again, by Shoran's foresight, they probably wouldn't have been able to do it. Now, with the Israelis here, all the game is played anymore not so much in the battlefield, but in the diplomatic process.

1:46:34On October 20th, Kisinger flies to Moscow, because remember now we're baddies with the Soviets, so we have to find a common solution. Meanwhile, the United States are in deep crisis. This is if you've heard the Saturday night massacre, Nixon is, I mean, not a real massacre, but that's how it got known. Nixon is firing some prosecutors. The United States are in big crisis. So Kisinger flies to Moscow. He reaches immediately, very quickly, and agreement with the Soviets on a ceasefire. Then he flies to Tel Aviv. He presents it to Golda, Golda agrees. And then he flies back. While he flies back, the Israelis are breaching the ceasefire, or at least that's what the Arabs and the Soviets claim. And now the Soviets are so furious, not just with the Israelis, but also with the Americans. So this is when the Soviets are saying,

1:47:34okay, you're not playing fair, if Israel doesn't stop immediately, we are sending troops. Kisinger is at this point, he's seriously worried that this can escalate in a very bad way, although no one wants it to escalate in a bad way. Keep in mind, during these times, Brezner is very psychologically unstable. He lives with tranquilizers. He's also experiencing, he's in a constant nervous breakdown. So it's, and these little things matter, because things can go out of hands, just like that in that context of the Cold War. And I've talked to people who were in the American Six Fleet at the time. And the American Six Fleet was on the highest alert possible. Nukes were being prepared. Defcon III. Defcon III. Defcon III. Defcon III. Defcon III.

1:48:34Defcon III. So this was deteriorating really, really, really fast. And Kisinger is trying to get these Israelis to evacise fire. And more importantly, to start providing food and water to the third army. And there's a famous phone call between Kisinger and Golda that is portrayed, I think, really well in the movie, Golda, which I recommend people watch. I think it's really good. Kisinger's basically saying, you know, you got to provide them with water. And Golda me is saying, only if they agreed, I think it was a prison exchange. They agreed to this, these conditions. And Kisinger says, no, you know, I can't tell you what it is. So, you know, he threatens her. And she basically slams the phone down. So she disconnects and she's basically, unless this prison exchange happens, we're not doing anything. And Kisinger falls.

1:49:35So Kisinger forces Suddha to fold. And the prison exchange happens and Israel provides the food and water to the third army. So this is very tense period. And politically, we talk about for the Americans, but also politically for the Israelis. I mean, this has been a major, you know, major failure. Golda me is struggling with that, struggling with how to get something good come out of this. And it's, it's, it's, you know, the stress is high. The stress is high again. America hadn't been in DEF-con3. DEF-con3 is two steps before. Okay, we're now in a international nuclear confrontation. Anyway, things cal down. Again, it's important. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights

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1:53:38NMLS number 1353190, Clarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply. Organic Valley protein plus, salt or filtered milk is pasture-aiced from cows that might take more steps than most people. That's a plus. And it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk. That's a big plus. And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving? Also a plus. Organic Valley protein plus, salt or filtered milk. Protein plus, pasture-aiced. Learn more at organicvalley.com. I've had discussion with objectives we're telling me that there should never be any communication even with the Soviets. It's important that at that moment, that Nixon had and Kissinger had this relationship with Presniff, so there was this common understanding that we don't want this to escalate. Because again, if the Soviets fired against Israelis,

1:54:39you didn't know what could have happened. They were, by the way, Soviet casualties. Because Soviets were flying some of the mix. They were Cuban casualties. They were North Korean casualties. I didn't know that. Yeah. They were North Koreans fighting with the Syrians. But at least things there indeed, the ceasefire stopped. So at the 25th, the war is basically over. Of course, still, we don't know what's going to happen here, how they're going to retreat. They were skirmishes in Syria. But to cut the long story short, the Israeli retreating back to Sinai, some here on the north, the Egyptians kept it. And of course, a few years later, Sadat makes the unthinkable, which eventually cost him his life. He visits Israel. And he starts a process that led in 1980, I think, 79, to the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. So my question to you, Yaron, after we said all this,

1:55:41is who won this war? Because the Egyptians remember it as the war that gave us back our dignity, the games that cried. Then eventually, it gave us back Sinai. In Israel, things of it as, yes, it was a trauma. But at the end, we were on our way to Qaeda and our way to Damascus. So who won that war? Look, there no question militarily, Israel won the war. It came very close to losing it, but turned it around and won the war. And if take away all the military, take away all the political constraints and the Soviets and the Americans, if the war just continues, Israel destroys the third army, it destroys the first army, it's on the way to Qaeda, it's on the way to Damascus, where the chooses to go there are not, it occupies mainland Egypt and it occupies a bunch of Syria. There's no question who won the war. But the way it ended turned out to be, you know, at least in the short run, you know, positive, in the sense that the Egyptian Sadat could claim partial victory.

1:56:44He could claim we made it to the other side of the Suez Canal. I mean, these are small claims in the big picture of things, but enough to kind of retrieve a certain level of pride and I think give him the confidence as a consequence. Go to Jerusalem, I don't know if he would have gone, if not for the small victory that he attained during the Unki Pohu. Maybe it would have anyway. I mean, it took a huge amount of courage for Sadat to go to Jerusalem in 1977. You know, Israel welcomed him with open arms, but the Egyptian populace was not happy with it. You know, the population wasn't, and ultimately, as Niko suggested, he was murdered for... Well, why he was murdered is a separate question, partially because of this, primarily because... Sadat had a vision for Egypt that was much more secular, much more poor Western, poor American,

1:57:48then the rising tide of Islamism, was willing to tolerate. So he wasn't primarily murdered because he went to Jerusalem. He was primarily murdered because he was... because of the Muslim Brotherhood, objected to other things he was doing domestically, but certainly going to Jerusalem didn't help his case and help, you know, but... You know, if Sadat stayed alive, who knows where the Middle East would be today? In 1982, Israel gave back the Sinai Desert to the Egyptians for some of us a great tragedy because we lost the beaches on the Sinai Peninsula. I was about to say, there's even here the Serbian road documentary, Angli, you're gonna find out people in the... That's right, my experiences on the beaches, not there, the other side. On the Red Sea, on the Red Sea, there. Dahab and Nueba and Shah-Mashaikh, were always, I will always have fond memories of those places,

1:58:48but Israel gave back the Sinai notice just to bring it to common events. That Israel wanted the Egyptians to take the Gaza Strip and the Egyptians didn't want it. They wanted to have nothing to do with the Gaza Strip. They still want to have nothing to do with the Gaza Strip. I think Israel would give it to them in a heartbeat if they were willing to take control of it, but they don't want it either. But yes, so... And to this day, there is a peace agreement with Egypt. It's tentative. It's a cold peace, since that died. It's been a cold peace. There were periods in time where Israel is traveled easily into Egypt. And without fear, I think that is not true anymore, certainly not since October 7th. So it's a tentative peace with Egypt. Egypt is hostile to Israel in many ways, but Egypt has turned a corner since 1973. So today, if in 1973, all the weapons systems that Egypt had were Soviet,

1:59:50today, all the weapons systems Egypt had are American. If Egypt actually launched the war against Israel, it could not be resupplied without American support. So they would have to count in America switching sides. So the protection Israel has today from Egyptian aggression is the fact that Egypt is completely beholden to the Americans. Everybody complains about the aid that Israel gets from the US, but Egypt gets almost as much money from the United States and not as good an ally. And it when you are as good an ally, the United States gets very little back from the Egyptians. Israel pays back many times over. I think the money that it gets from from the United States. And nobody seems to ever complain about Egyptian foreign aid. So that, I think, is the on-key-poor war. Any other consequences? Of course, Nixon in case you. Nixon doesn't survive for very long, but not because of this. Yeah, politically so Sadat doesn't survive physically

2:00:52for more than a decade. Nixon doesn't survive politically more than a few months. Then he's replaced by, he's repaid by Ford. Gold is gone also politically after a few months. He's gone politically after a few months. See, see, see, see leaves long enough though to see the peace treaty. And for me the most, the most memorable scene from the movie is at the end where they saw the real Gold Amer, kidding with Sadat and being cordial with Sadat. And seeing the peace treaty coming near end. I know you know they're gonna be many of Jacob's days. You're sanctioning. Yeah, this treaty has kept Israel and Egypt for a peace for half a century. We are almost at half a century. So if anyone thinks that there was any better solution, such as to go and occupy Cairo. Okay, I...

2:01:53Foreign policy is... Foreign policy and military policy is very different for a superpower and for a small country. You can't extrapolate from what the US should do to what a country like Israel shouldn't do or what Ukraine shouldn't do. Ukraine's not gonna occupy Moscow. So it's not gonna happen and it's not clear it should happen because I mean Ukraine's bigger than Israel but Ukraine couldn't hold Moscow. Napoleon couldn't hold Moscow. Hitler couldn't even get to Moscow. So you can't extrapolate, but here's what really changed dramatically in Israel. As we talked about Israel revamped its military and completely upgraded its capabilities and learnt a lot of lessons for that war that were later implemented. To this day, I implemented, look at what Israel can do in Iran. Thousands of miles away and it can fly over to Iran without any problem. Lessons alone from the Okipur.

2:02:54But that's not what I'm gonna say. But the other big thing was that in 1977, in an election to a large extent as I think is a consequence of the Okipur war, the Labour Party lost for the first time in Israeli history. And Minachem Begin leading the Likud formed ultimately by Ariel Sharon came to power. Ariel Sharon later, I can't say right in the beginning but at some point became, maybe in the second government when they won again in 81 became defense secretary and was defense secretary during the war in Lebanon in 1982. But it is Begin who actually signs that really with the E5 correct. Yes, it's Begin because Begin is prime minister and there's a sense in which it's much easier for Begin to sign the peace deal than it would have been for a Labour Party because Begin had no opposition. He was considered at the time, not anymore,

2:03:56but considered at the time the extreme right. So Begin and the extreme right could come to terms with Sadat. Then who is gonna oppose him, certainly not Labour, which were much more moderate. Whereas if a Labour prime minister would have been there when Sadat came, Begin might have opposed the peace deal. So or somebody on the right might have opposed it. So I mean, there were people who opposed it on the right but very few at the end of the day. And so yes, this changed political dynamics in Israel since then. Labour Party has won a few elections but very few. And even when it has won, it hasn't survived and government for very long. Israeli politics since 1977 has been dominated by the right. It's been dominated by the liquid. Obviously over the last, what, 16, 17 years it's been dominated by Netanyahu. Before that, Shion was of course prime minister until 2005, I think it was.

2:04:58So the left in Israel has played very little role with exception of the early 90s when sadly, they signed the Oslo Accords. The left or the centre left in Israel has not been a political powerhouse post-Jongkippo war. Whereas before Jongkippo war, they were the only game in town. I mean, they dominated Israeli politics completely. Israel was a leftist country. It's interesting that only a right-winger could do the agreement with Sadats. The same thing happened with the Golan Algeria. I don't think the left in France, if the left in France had given up Algeria, there would be like blood on the street. But I finished with this. And there was the argument, just on that theme, there was the argument that only Nixon could go to China. Oh yeah, of course. That's also true. I mean, obviously you have all these personal stories with the Jongkippur. I'll just have one story, which is very sad.

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2:10:06The best scholars and the best military minds on how to avoid a strategic surprise today are in Israel. And yet 50 years after Yon Kippur, almost to the day, there was a strategic surprise of equal, if not even bigger magnitude. So it's inconceivable how the counter that suffered Yon Kippur then suffered October 7th. I mean, there's a sense in which October 7th is worse than Yon Kippur, there's a sense in which it's not as bad as Yon Kippur. At no time during October 7th was Israel's existence in question. But yeah, but in terms of how did this happen? Oh, in terms of the intelligence failures, it's at least as big if not bigger than Yon Kippur. And yeah, and it says something about the integrity of political leadership, I'll go back to this point that there be no consequences, zero consequences. Okay, now it's time to remove the pin

2:11:07because we're not gonna use the mask, the map. I'll refill I'm back in five seconds. All right. Okay, so we have a bunch of questions that we will go to now. You wanna tell them what we're gonna be talking about next week? Yes, I think I'm still pin, oh no, I pin myself to make sure that the glide could go next. Next week we have God's Sats, Shua Saida Lembathy. We will read the book and we will go through the book. Many of you have thought this sounds a lot like altruism. He's actually finally culture waking up and attacking altruism. We're going to answer all these questions for you next Sunday. So next Sunday God's Sats, suicidal empathy. And yeah. I think that's the key question. Is this really an attack on altruism? And also reminder to people that I'm stuck

2:12:07with a Netflix subscription and a Disney subscription. So you need to give us... But we have two series, two show reviews that we still owe Shua Saida. But here I am in default primarily. So next week by next week I will watch the two shows that Shua has wanted us to and get back to you guys. I want to recommend to you so we recommend it. Valley of Tears. Oh, I don't think we have recommended Valley of Tears. So let me recommend to you. If you want to get a dramatization of the first few days on the Golan Heights, those primarily the first two days on the Golan Heights, from the taking of the Chermon to the battle on the Valley of Tears to the battles in the south of the Golan Heights, and the existential nature of those, there is an HBO Max, HBO something. I don't know what they call it these days. HBO. A show that was produced in Israel created by Israel.

2:13:09At the time, it was the most expensive show we ever done on Israeli television. I think in 2020, it was produced in 2020. And it's really good. And it really gives you the feel of it's called Valley of Tears. I think you can find it on HBO. So check it out. Then the movie Gold Out we mentioned, which I think is quite good. It is very much done from Golders perspective. So you get everything from her perspective. Now it's her perspective based on the filmmakers or how we start to calculate it is. I don't know, but I enjoyed it because in the background, they kept having these black and white television within news. I remember watching that news. So it brought back kind of my memories of watching the news. Anything else about Yonki Poe was there? Good book? Any cause you've done some reading. The book, which is easy to read, is called The Eve of Distraction by Howard Bloom.

2:14:10It focuses, it gives you the story of the war, but through personal stories of many of the protagonists. And even what the Gold Out movie, if you've just quit smoking, you're going to go back to smoking. Gold out was such a thing, smoking. There's a series with a cigarette throughout the film. It's not a good film if you've just given up smoking. I think that's all we had, right? Yeah, if there's something we didn't cover, people can bring it up. They can bring it up on the questions. Yeah, and then the one other thing is the week after next, right? We are going to, so I want to give you a heads up guys, because the week after next, what we're going to do, we're going to talk about Fauder. We're going to talk about Fauder from season one to season five, but primarily season five. I've been recommending Fauders since it launched years ago.

2:15:12So I highly recommend watching it. It's an amazing show. I will say season five is a difficult watch. Primarily, if you have any kind of relationship to Israel, I found it very difficult to watch. I think tears in my eyes for two whole episodes. So it's very emotional, but it's worth watching. Everybody should watch Fauder season five. I think they tone down what happens in October 7th. But at least the sense of brutality comes across and the personal stories. Because it's art, because there's art involved, then it becomes a personal story. It has huge emotional resonance. So I really encourage everybody to watch Fauder. All the seasons, if you can, before we do the show, but primarily season five, and we'll be talking about the show, the value of the show,

2:16:13what it represents, and that will analyze season five in particular. All right, I think that's all the catch up we have. All right, let's also tell people that if they appreciate the work we put here, one way to support is obviously with their super chats. But also both UNI, we have a Patreon pages, particularly for me, it's the main source of my income these days. I do a deep dive and an AMA every single month. So there's a lot of original content there. So I encourage people to go and visit it. It's only seven euros per month. So if you want to support my work, go to Patreon, put my name and you'll find me. Yeah, I mean, all of you should be Patreon supporters of Nikos. So the should seven bucks a month. That should be, that should be an ombre of everybody listening right now. Just go to patreon.com, put in Nikos's name, although you have to spell his family name. I don't know how you're going to do that. That's going to be the biggest challenge you're going to have with the seven bucks.

2:17:14There's nothing but the spelling of the family name. That's the challenge. Anyway, I go there, do it, get it done, and then forget about it. Right, the nice thing about Patreon is you do it. Oh, not forget about it. You're going to get so much content. No, you forget about the money, right? Because it's every month goes out regularly. You don't have to think, oh, I owe Nikos money or anything like that. Maybe you'll feel like you owe more than the seven bucks, given how much content you get. And then you can always add. So they're always ways to add. All right, let's ask. You can also right now live. You can support the show. And, you know, Nikos and I split these, which adds 50-50. So anything you do right now goes to both of us. And we have some sticker people. These are stickers without a question. So this is great. So Ron, thank you. Exploring Simon. Exploring Simon. It's $50, thank you. I mean, I don't know who that is.

2:18:15So cool. Daniel Duffy, thank you. Maria Leane, thank you. Paul, thank you. Lucinda, thank you. And Lucinda also did some gift membership. So I appreciate that. And then let's see, we've got Jeff. Thank you. Wes, $100. Thank you. Wes, really, really appreciate the support. And let's see if there are any other stickers that might be. A few others. We've got Maria Leane, $50. Thank you, Maria Leane. And you did some other stuff as well. Jonathan Honing is there. And Stephen Hopper, thank you. And I think that. Great. Okay, thank you guys. That's an easy way. Value for value. Just click on the dollar sign at the bottom of the chat here and make a contribution. Small to big. You can do up to $500. But as small as a dollar. So feel free to do anything in that range.

2:19:17Based on your, how much, how much you have and based on how much value you get. All right, let's see. That's young people that you can pull. It's basically when you most need confidence in yourself. Okay. Okay. That's all clock. Clock will get to yours. I'm going to take the young people worst of first. We got that. That's not related. That's not related. Also, if people can inform us how, how Greece is doing, we're bringing Germany as we speak. So if someone, yes, if someone that we, we, we, we, we beat them in Germany last week. So this is why you wanted to reschedule to, yes, to, to, to yesterday. Yeah. Okay. Now, yeah. All right. Let's take these young people related.

2:20:17Michael says, should Israel have launched nuclear weapons immediately to start of the Unki-Pu-Woop? Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain, and overall help to help you make better decisions every day. Whether you're training, working, traveling, or just trying to fill your best. Woop shows you what helps your performance and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body. Build better habits. See where Woop can take you. Try Woop free for 30 days at woop.com. It's 2026. We upgraded our phones, our cars, even our coffee. So why are we still acting like pleasure is negotiable? At Pink Cherry, it's not. They've got hundreds of toys that actually deliver. And if you don't know where to start, their mystery boxes make it easy. Go to pinkcherry.com and use promo code Chelsea to save up to 80% site-wide. Because life is hard, feeling good shouldn't be.

2:21:17Pinkcherry.com because everyone deserves pleasure. This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East. That's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. That's Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Okay, we've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bowen. Wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Will the answer egg yolks? Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles. Chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap

2:22:18and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Aiken, Eddie from The Ben and Ashley I, almost same as podcast. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty well. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part. But the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay, cash back that builds automatically, everything in one place, and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more. California resident loans made a range pursuant to a California finance law license

2:23:18and MLS number 1353190, Clarna balance account required to be eligible for cash back points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply. Organic Valley Protein Plus Sultry Filtered Milk is passed your ace from cows that might take more steps than most people. That's a plus. And it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk. That's a big plus. And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving? Also a plus. Organic Valley Protein Plus Sultry Filtered Milk. Protein Plus Passed Your Aest. Learn more at organicvalley.com. No! I mean, it makes no sense for so many reasons. First of all, all the targets are within radiation distance from Israel. So if you launch nuclear weapons, you could be the one suffering. If the winds shift on you, you could easily be suffering.

2:24:18Israel's a tiny little country. Damascus, as you saw on the map, is really close. Cairo is really troops reach 100 kilometers from Cairo. 100 kilometers is nothing when it comes to radiation. But secondly, I mean, the Soviets wouldn't have just sat back and let you do that. You would have killed in one second, hands of thousands of Soviets, generals, officers, high party members. So which would have never let you get away with that? I mean, for Israel, nuclear weapons are a suicide pact. They are the kind of thing that says, if we know we're going to lose. So this is the whole ethos in Israel, this is based on never again. And it's not just the Holocaust. There's a famous story of Masada. And I don't know if you guys know this, but I'm going to tell it.

2:25:20I have a lot to say about this story, but we'll leave it for another time. So in Masada, the Jews were bellying against the Romans. They were bellying against the Romans. The Romans were winning. And so the Jews all come together on this hilltop, which was basically a castle, fortified castle, at the top of this hill, fortified there by King Herod from history. And they hold out against the Romans for a long time on top of this mountain hill, whatever you want to call it. But at some point, it becomes obvious that the Romans are going to breach the walls. They're going to come in and they're going to kill everybody. Right? They're going to kill everybody. And so what the Jews do in one of the great acts of insanity in human history is they decide that instead of being killed by the by the by the by the Romans, they will commit suicide. They basically kill themselves. The father will kill the wife and the kids and then kill himself.

2:26:22And you get hundreds of people, maybe thousands, I can't remember the numbers. All die and when the Romans breach the wall, everybody's dead. Right? There's nobody to. That's not insanity. There end under the Romans would not be a nice and happy ending. No, but you fight. You die fighting. You don't get it. You die fighting. You know you're going to lose your life. Maybe you kill the kids so they don't have to suffer through it and the women because they don't have to wait and then you die fighting. So that is also is also basic ideas. Never again, we will never commit suicide and let the bad guys or let the enemy off the hook. Right? If we go next time we commit suicide, we're taking all of you with us. So the nukes are there so that if Hyphaz being overrun or Tel Aviv being overrun and Israel is going away, its enemies are going with it. They're going to die as well.

2:27:22And it's also preemption. Right? It's anybody who tries to go to Tel Aviv or tries to go to Hyphaz knows that the outcome is that they too will be wiped out. So it's preemption. Israel is never going to launch a nuclear attack as an initial strike. I mean, people say why not New Gaza because Gaza is like spitting distance from Tel Aviv. I mean, even if you thought that made sense to New Gaza, you would destroy your own country. So calm down with the nukes. You want to be careful with how you use nukes. And again, Israel is not the United States. The United States can handle. I mean, even the United States doesn't want to get into a shooting war with Russia over nukes. But the United States can go away with nuking you on. Israel cannot. Israel can't get away so you can argue about using tactical nukes to get to the deep tunnel.

2:28:23That here you have something called the Soviet fleet. So you drop the nukes. You'll wait a minute later. Israel is history. It's finished. So it's just not. It's just not. It's not conceivable. It's not. It's not going to happen in the future. It's not necessary. I've always said Israel and the United States can win their wars without any nukes. And without sacrificing without without without a lot of casualties. If they fought right, if they actually fought the way you're supposed to fight, you wouldn't have to use nukes. I mean, just think of it. I mean, you want to get rid of Gaza. You want to eliminate Gaza. Just stop providing them with water and electricity, which Israel still does. Israel did throughout and did after October 7th throughout the war. Israel provided the Gaza with water and electricity. I mean, your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain, and overall help to help you make better decisions every day.

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2:30:28This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. That's Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Okay, we've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bowen. Wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Well, the answer? Egg yolks. Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand, Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Kinetti from the Ben and Ashley I almost same as podcasts.

2:31:31Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay, cash back that builds automatically, everything in one place. And support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more. California resident loans made a range pursuant to a California finance law license. NMLS number 1353190, Clarna balance account required to be eligible for cash back points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply. Organic Valley Protein Plus Sultard filter milk is pasture-aiced from cows that might take more steps than most people.

2:32:35That's a plus. And it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk. That's a big plus. And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving also a plus. Organic Valley Protein Plus Sultard filter milk. Protein Plus pasture-aiced. Learn more at organicvalley.com. You don't have to nucleoplacias. You could just cut their water in electricity. So, in so many ways to deal with this without the consequences of a nuclear bomb going off. Either way, exit and enrick. Thank you for the stickers. Not you have a jalgrimage. You are. When you lived through the on-key pool was a young boy. Did you have a sense that this is the end? No. Were your parents and neighbors thinking the hours were going over on the country? I don't think so. I don't think so.

2:33:37And again, we got filtered news. So we didn't know how bad things were. We had no idea. Right? So only after the war, the deb-non-combatants, only when the soldiers started coming back, did we hear the stories about how bad things had gotten in those first few days. So no, I mean, you fear to your life because you thought you could be bombed. But you primarily feared, for in my case, my father, in other cases, husbands and so on, for their lives. They were the front. They were fighting and you knew that. But no, the most we feared was to be bombed. So no, I don't think we even conceived of being overrun at that point. And so that people perceive how different the world that was without Twitter and private media and all that stuff. In the triumphant six-day war, for most of these six days, Israel has zero idea what's happening. They don't know about their early triumphs. They hear the stories from the Arabs that all the Egypt is winning.

2:34:42So particularly in a short war, you don't get the time to figure out what's happening. Okay, I'm just checking to see other young people questions. Yeah, Wolin says, this is not young people directly, but it's related to what we talked about. Thanks another very informative show. I remember Shaman being PM for a while. Did he do a good job in that position? Arya Shaman as a Prime Minister. I mean, very mixed. And mixed primarily because of the combination of that period, if you will, which was the withdrawal from Gaza. So Arya Shaman was Prime Minister during the Second Interferter. Indeed, he was elected to deal with the Second Interferter because if you remember, in 1999, it was 1999, it would Barack was Prime Minister and he cut a deal. Or he offered, yes or offered, pretty much 95 to 98% of everything gas offered ever wanted.

2:35:43And yes, offered walked away from a deal, right? There would have been a Palestinian state. The only thing Israel would not give them was the idea of the right to return. All these refugees coming into Israel. But everything else, territorially, they got pretty much everything they wanted in terms of, and political autonomy. And they got it all, right? And this is not me saying this, you can check out Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton, check out the famous clip what Bill Clinton is fuming against Arab. So he's very upset. Anyway, I thought it goes back and starts the Second Interferter. And the Second Interferter was the most brutal thing to ever happen in Israel until October 7th. It was basically random terrorist attacks, all of Israel. No part of Israel was protected. Buses would blow up, restaurants would blow up, celebrations wedding, celebrations, suicide bombers would go in. It was mostly suicide bombers.

2:36:45And it was just, you know, it was like having a 9-11 every few weeks, right? Every few weeks there was some event that was like 9-11. And our show was basically elected to deal with this because Israel had lost trust in Iraq, given what had happened. And, you know, the only thing in my view that prevented Shoron from actually dealing with it, the way he wanted to deal with it, because I know what he wanted versus what he did. He didn't do what was necessary. This continued for at least four years. And it was a complete and utter disaster. But you have to remember that these are also the years in which George Bush is president. And every time, and what Alexion wanted to do is, and what I said should be done, because I was asked a question in a famous Q&A. You can find this, the video of this, on C-SPAN of all places. If you go to the C-SPAN website and put you around, book Israel,

2:37:48you will find one of my first talks ever on Israel during the Second Interferter. So this is early on, it's 2003 maybe. And it's at the University of Pennsylvania, not a particularly friendly crowd audience. And I get asked, what should be done with Alexion? What should be done with the Israel for? And I say on C-SPAN, live on C-SPAN, but this is still there. They haven't taken it down. I say Israel should find the tallest tree and hang him, so that everybody knows exactly what happens to a monster like him. And that's what Alexion wanted to do. And at least on two occasions, Israel, it's around it, our Fitz compound, was ready to go in and kill him. And on both occasions, Sharon got a phone call from George Bush saying, you can't do it, you can't kill him, go, you know, stop. And two, Alexion was shame, he listened to George Bush.

2:38:49He shouldn't have, they should have killed our fat. They would have helped end most of this or ended and shown his own commitment to it. So I knew how to end an interferer. He had done it in Gaza, I mentioned that in the early 1970s. He'd eradicated a similar thing in Gaza. He knew how to do it, but he was not willing to be as brutal as he had been in the 1970s. He was not Prime Minister, he wanted to please the Americans. And, you know, pleasing the Americans ultimately led, of course, to the elections, in which Hamas won, and, you know, for democracy, bring democracy to them at least. But his big failure was that he decided that the only way to deal with Gaza, instead of going in and being brutal and pacifying the place, was that was, he believed at that point politically unfeasible. Israel had, since the 1970s, had towns in the Gaza Strip, Jewish, you know, towns.

2:39:56And he deemed it too costly to protect those towns, and too costly to protect the border. And that the best way to deal with Gaza was just to retreat, was to leave Gaza and let it self-govern. And his logic was, which he expressed at the time, and I remember him saying this, his logic was, if they now attack us, it'll be like a country versus a country and we'll be able to go in and really thrash them, and the world will be on our side. Little did he know. And I warned against it at the time, I said this was ridiculous and failure, and Israel would pay a heavy price. They literally, by force, evacuated all the people who lived there. People did not want to leave their homes, their factories, their farms, that were in the Gaza Strip, they forcefully dragged people onto buses and got them out of there. And so one will be remembered for that, right?

2:40:56They even dragged the dead, literally the dead from there. They undug the grave sites, and they moved them because they knew that one of the things the Palestinians would do is desecrate the graves. Right? This is how much they understood the Palestinians. And don't quote me on this, but I think Saron also had this engagement plan from the West Bank, and depending on who you ask, it was either a partial or a very radical disengagement also from the West Bank. Yeah, so I think the disengagement plans were really, really horrible. I think Saron also ultimately screwed up the way in Lebanon. I mean, I think he was strategic in launching the war and strategic in executing it, but failed when it came to the aftermath once the initial plans kind of imploded. You know, the initial plan was to cut a deal with the Christians in Lebanon, but the guy was supposed to become president of Lebanon was assassinated by...

2:41:56What was his name? Ferrari. How are we? No, it wasn't Ferrari. I'll do the wrong thing in all googling. Google it. And when he was assassinated, the whole thing... But then he didn't know what to do at that point. Of course he got it right. What's his first name? Rafik, Ferrari. Alright. And no, Rafik, I was murdered later. Levinis... elected. I'm so sure I am right that it's not even... Assassinated in 83. Yeah, I was right. It's Basil Gamayel.

2:42:56How old was... Or was that say 18 years later? Oh, okay. So, totally by this prime minister's. But the one in 2005 was Hariri. Yes, but that's way after Israel has already left Lebanon. That's after it's evacuated. Oh, it was already completely. Basil Gamayel had been elected president of... Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain, and overall help to help you make better decisions every day. Whether you're training, working, traveling, or just trying to fill your best. Woop shows you what helps your performance and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body. Build better habits. See where Woop can take you. Try Woop free for 30 days at woop.com. It's 2026. We upgraded our phones, our cars, even our coffee. So why are we still acting like pleasure is negotiable?

2:43:57At Pink Cherry, it's not. They've got hundreds of toys that actually deliver. And whether you know exactly what you like, or you're still figuring it out, there is a wide range to explore. If you'd rather skip the guesswork, their mystery boxes make it easy. They curate a mix for you so you can discover new favorites without overthinking it. And they ship discreetly with free shipping on orders over $59, which we love. So go to Pink Cherry.com and use promo code Chelsea to save up to 80% off site-wide. Because life is hard, feeling good shouldn't be Pink Cherry.com because everyone deserves pleasure. This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East. That's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. It's Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Okay, we've been talking about QB Mail for a minute now, Bowen. Wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of you all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love QB. And if you're thinking, wait, what is QB? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise.

2:44:58The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Well, the answer? Egg yolks. Egg yolks. Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, QB hit. So if you haven't tried QB yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand, QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Kinetti from the Ben and Ashley I almost same as podcasts. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real.

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2:47:01Protein Plus pasture-raised. Learn more at organicvalley.com Of Lebanon. And you know, he basically had conspired with Israel that if Israel made it all the way, if they destroyed the Palestinians, the Palestinian presence of Lebanon, he would sign a peace deal and he would be friendly towards Israel. And on the 14th of September 1982, a bomb detonated in the Christian Beirut neighborhood killed him. So that never happened. Shavun actually met with Gamel, you know, months before he was assassinated, he actually met him before Israel went into Lebanon in 1982. So it was all kind of coordinated a little bit.

2:48:02And then when when Bashir Gamel was killed, it all went up and spoke. Yeah, just to clarify to people, Saron was not prime minister at that point. He was a minister. He was a minister in arguably launched the war with Lebanon. The scale of the war with Lebanon was he never told Begin. Begin was already fading. He was old and he was fading. And Shavun never told Begin what his real aims were. So for example, Shavun always intended to go to Beirut and Begin, it was a surprise to Begin that Israel was going all the way to Beirut. All right, let's take some other questions that are unrelated. I will thank Jeremy for the sticker. Thank you, Jeremy and Enrique and I think I thank them already. I clock for $100. Thanks, Liz.

2:49:02There are no atheists and foxholes. The idea that you must believe in something bigger than yourself. I always thought it was ludicrous. A crisis is precisely when you most need confidence in yourself, in your judgment, your purpose, and your reasons for living. And indeed in your reason, in your capacity to think, yes, absolutely clock. This idea of not the atheist and a foxhole is, I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who came up with it, but it is fiction. I don't think it's real. Now it is true that people who have low confidence in atheism, if you will, or low confidence in their reasoning capacity, would like in the foxhole to believe that there's a God looking over them, or would like to believe that if they got killed in the foxhole, they would go to heaven. But those are all stupid, right? At the end of the day, yes. In the time of crisis, what you want is to be able to rely on your mind. You don't want to fogo your mind by relying on faith at that point.

2:50:06Also, if someone thinks that literally no atheists in foxholes, they haven't watched that episode on the Spanish Civil War, where trust me, the anarchists were atheists. And Israeli society, particularly the military, is dominated by atheists. I don't know, 30 to 40% of Israeli atheists, or at least agnostic atheists, or something like that. And they are probably a majority in the military. So, in combat, the most combat-oriented soldiers were from the Kibbutzim. They were all atheists. And yet, they were paratroopers. So, in Israel, there are lots of atheists in the foxholes. And I think most of the Israeli military leaders atheists, I think, Moussa de An was an atheist, Gold was an atheist, Al-Qshan was an atheist. I think all these people atheists, so there's very little grounding for that statement that people make all the time. Which is also the stupid, historical, new right claim.

2:51:07Moussa de An was an atheist, and this is mostly the left. Israel is this religious fundamentalist supremacist project, when all their founding figures have zero relations. Zero. None of them were atheists. Bingo, Yon was an atheist. All of these guys were atheists. And now, Israel, there's a problem religion in Israel, but certainly none in its founding, and not as a project. And this project was not a religious project, and it was opposed by the most religious elements within Judaism, mostly. All right, clocky on $250 questions. Oh, this is one question in two parts, each $50. When you're, when you're staring into their bice, you need to understand why you're there, what you're defending and why it matters. Faith cannot establish these answers. Convictions grounded in reality can't. Your life and the people and things you love are reasons to stand your ground.

2:52:11Their value does not stand on supernatural permission. Absolutely, this is why, you know, this idea that only altruists can be soldiers, is ridiculous. I think the best soldiers are self-interested. They're the fight for their values, their life, the things that they love and care about. Yeah, it's your life is what gives reason to your willingness to fight and willingness to get out of that abyss that you find yourself in. But one thing that such religious people are very good at is that they're good at dying, and this makes them good so troopers. Again, going back to the Spanish Civil War episode, the Carlists, the fanatical Catholics who would get communion and then they would go to battle, you didn't want to be opposite them.

2:53:12This suicide bombers in Islam. This suicide bombers in Islam, you know, they're willing to die, but yes. But that's not, you know, ultimately those people lose. If there's a proper motivated self-interested opposition to them, and this is why I don't think the Islamists can win, ultimately. Thank you, Clark. Very generous, really appreciate it. Liam, the joy of get out, the joy they get out of destroying is hard to comprehend in a post-enlightenment era. I'm not sure that they are here. It must have been something we said at some point. But maybe religious fundamentalists, maybe it's a reply to the other question. But yes. But again, it is difficult to comprehend, but it is there, and we've seen it many times in history. There are many people who are good at dying.

2:54:13Sadly, yes, sadly, the way too many people are good at dying, even the people who die very, very slowly, they're very good at dying and not very good at living. It's the teaching people how to live and become really good at living. That is our biggest challenge, and that's the inspirational message that we need. How to become good at living? The philosophy, what anyone call it, a philosophy for living on Earth? You could call it the philosophy for living well, living a great life on Earth. That's the inspiration. And you need capitalism in order to be able to live well on Earth. That's the inspirational motivation for capitalism. Right, Lucinda says, so common hues debate Peter Bynod's disappointing how conventional Coleman's arguments were compared to Bynod's. But compared to Bynod's conviction, Israel's side can't win without moral clarity. Sad, it's so many people seem to lack that.

2:55:14Yeah, I mean, I haven't said, I don't know if you've seen this debate, but I don't even know the Second German. Yeah, he's an anti-Israel passionate anti-Israel. Yeah, but look, yeah, Coleman hues about as good as they get out there. And yeah, I mean, it's all gonna be conventional. And they don't have passion, and they don't understand the stakes. They don't really understand Israel. You need a real philosophical context in order to properly, or you need to be from there, and therefore I have the passion from just living it. In order to properly defend Israel, but even these Israelis don't do a very good job defending themselves. So you need a philosophical defense of Israel. For that, you need a philosophy of self-interest. You need a philosophy where the emphasis is on living life, and then you can compare Israelis to Palestinians, Israelis to Egypt and Syria, and you can see who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

2:56:15There's an excellent foul d'assim. We might project it on our show where the Palestinian is explaining this for me to highlight of the whole show. Yeah, explaining it to his son. Yeah. Hapa Campbell, part one, it's two parts. Is there something necessarily wrong with being in an echo chamber politically? I largely only need to listen to objective content because it is correct. Is there a value listening to the other side when objectivists are discussing calculus while the rest of the world is still debating the validity of arithmetic? I mean, it depends on your purpose, right? So as a consumer of content, and as somebody busy with your life, no, I don't suggest you spend a lot of time listening to the other side. Because you're too busy and takes up a lot of valuable time.

2:57:16I wouldn't listen to a huge amount of political commentary from the objective aside either. Just listen to enough to know what's going on in the world and so you can keep going. But another hand for, if you're an intellectual or if you want to be engaged in the cultural battle out there, if you want to be a voice, then you need to understand the other side. Then you need to know what they're saying, you know, understand what they're saying, you need a really big deep into the opposition. So it really depends on who you are, what context of life, and what you want to do with the information. To the extent that you're just living your life, you just want to be, you just want to stay, what do you call it? Look, what is going on out there? Then yeah, what is my software doing here? Something weird. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them.

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2:59:18Because life is hard feeling good shouldn't be Pink Cherry.com because everyone deserves pleasure. This is Matt Rogers from Los Cultures. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Cultures. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Okay, we've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bowen. Wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Well, the answer? Egg yolks. Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles. Chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about.

3:00:24You'll understand Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Akineti from the Ben and Ashley I, almost same as podcasts. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cashback that builds automatically. Everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions of feel less overwhelming since life moves so fast. The right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more California resident loans made or arranged pursuant to a California finance law license NMLS number 1353190 Clona balance account required to be eligible for cashback points limitations terms and conditions apply.

3:01:29Organic Valley protein plus ultra filter milk is pasture-aiced from cows that might take more steps than most people. That's a plus. And it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk. That's a big plus. And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving? Also a plus. Organic Valley protein plus ultra filter milk. Protein plus pasture-aiced learn more at organic Valley dot com. But till you find it with a software also a question is not easy to object with some of this is it good or not? So for example, in some topics there is no sufficient objective is to comment like there's no one who is a super expert on China for example. So the Hoover institutions has better China experts because objectives has no China experts. So I will listen to that because they are good experts on the topic. They will give me the facts their interpretation might not be good.

3:02:32Then I will get a better interpretation. Let's say from Yaron on this thing that China did but I will learn first about this thing from someone who is a China expert. So I need to find a good China expert. We've got one objective as a Scott. Yeah, but he's not very active in terms of he's not producing content. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we need to get him to produce more. But yes, you had him on his show. I had him on my show. I need to have him on again. A lot has happened since I had him on the show. So I need to get Scott McDonald on again. But yeah, I agree. And so we don't cover everything. But it also depends. Do you need to know that much about China? For again, for most of you, no, I mean, you probably get enough on the Yaron book show to know enough about the big picture about what's going on China without the nitty-goody stuff. So it really is a question of what's the purpose now again, if you want to be an intellectual activist, if you want to go out and change the world. Sadly, you have to engage with the other side and you have to engage with information from a bunch of different sources because you have to know what you're talking about.

3:03:35But there is a point where you can say, okay, sorry, I know it's my job, but that's enough. So I unsubscribe from the New York Times because at some point I said, sorry, I just can't sanction Risa Suads. Yeah, and Niko's doesn't need to subscribe to Jacobian, the Marxist local Marxist drag here because he knows that stuff by heart. So at some point, you don't need it. By James, suppose the West became objectivist. Would it then make sense for American Europe to invade the entire Middle East and civilize it? No, I mean, at what cost? And for whose benefit? So I mean, I think America could do a lot of things to civilize them at least without invading it. Lead by example, crush enemies when they raise up, not tolerate certain behavior on a local.

3:04:35But to occupy the entire Middle East and to wait, I don't know, the hundred years it would take to convert them and to reeducate them. Who's going to pay for that and whose lives? Remember, these are suicide bombers. You don't need tech in order to blow yourself up and kill a bunch of American soldiers. No, and there's no altruistic. There's no altruism. And there's no self interested reason. All you need to make sure is that they behave, that they don't attack you. They don't violate your rights. As long as they're doing that, leave them alone. Andrew. What is going on here? You're a top consultant to a group organized to form Israel. Do you try to dissuade them from looking at it in the Middle East? Would your recommendation change based on having the knowledge at the time or now in hindsight?

3:05:38So question. Yeah. What's the alternative? You know, can they all come to Arizona? Yeah, I'd recommend moving to Arizona. Did they get bar hot California? You know, that finger thing out. Sure. Why not? That would be fantastic. But what were the alternatives at the time? You had to get out of Europe because you're about to be slaughtered in Europe. So you have to get out of Europe. So America is closed its border or about to close its border in 1924. Basically, the border is close to Jews unless you're Einstein. I think they allow something like 13,000 every year or something like that. Yeah, after having hundreds of thousands come in in the previous years. So you can't go to America. At some point, the British offer the Jews Uganda. Right? Uganda.

3:06:39Now, would Uganda be better than the Middle East? I don't know. Really, and you'd be surrounded by people who still hate you and still would want to kill you. I don't think there's any reason to believe those people would be more, you know, pacified. Now, they wouldn't maybe because they're not motivated by Islam quite as much. But early in Israel's, you know, when Israel came into being in 1948, Islam was not a big deal. Arab Nationalism was the big deal. And as African nationalism, I mean, you'd be fighting EDM instead of fighting, yes, of our fault. I mean, what exactly would be the difference? And of course, today in Uganda, Islam is a big deal. They're fighting Islamic insurrection in Uganda, Kenya, and that part of Africa. There was something to talk about going to South America and starting a place in South America. Yeah, I would recommend that if it was real. If it was real, and you could actually do it and so on. But none of those options were viable.

3:07:42And the reality is that because of the Ottoman Empire and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, Israel was somewhat vacant and was available. And there were historical reasons why Jews would want to go to Israel. So there was a connection and it was vacant, not completely. There were Palestinians there. There were Arabs there, but it was basically way underdeveloped and undeveloped. And nobody really wanted it. Because of a, again, an accident of World War I, it was British. The British occupied it and it was available. So I don't know where else. But yeah, if you could find a place, sure. If Japan wants to give up one of its islands, you know, I don't know. Not one of the islands that the Chinese want. Because there's a bunch of Japanese islands that the Chinese think of their territory and they want them.

3:08:42Because there's a funny story in Ariel Sarons' biography. At some point he visited Uganda out of curiosity. How would it have been if we moved there? And his reaction is, thank God, we did the move here. And he's almost killed by some, what's the political correct way of putting it? Not carnipals, not savazis. But anyway, you get the point. In retrospect, how, like I survived all these wars and I would have been killed by some tribesmen somewhere in Africa? I mean, funnily enough, I mean, there's a story about, I mean, in his early days, I mean, who was the ruler, the brutal dictator of Uganda, was very friendly towards the Israelis and actually got some military training in Israel. And he used to wear his paratrooper badge very prominently around. He was a, you know, paratrooper trained by paratroopers in Israel. So I believe that I was shown was probably there as part of that.

3:09:43Did it become Hitler's fond later? Yeah, and then he turned against Israel and you had the Anteba raid and all of that. So there was a, I mean, it was a crazy guy. And so it was a switch. Originally, he, he was very friendly. That whole part of Africa was very friendly with Israel and Israel trained them in given weapons and stuff. Also, when the UK is suffering from the oil embargo, IDIA mean is actually trying to send them humanitarian aid, which was basically some bands of vegetables, but he thought that this would make the difference in poverty, poverty, the name, England. I think, I think I've talked to October 7th, the son of the Ugandan leader who's a military commander in Uganda offered Israel military help. And was going to send their battalions of Ugandans to come and fight in Gaza and stuff. And so, so there's something going on in that part of Africa with regard to Israel. So love hate relationship, I guess.

3:10:43Neo says, Nico share stuff through the computer screen. I think it worked without sharing. I think we have the wide board. I think whiteboard is good. I think whiteboard is good. I think, I think giving him the entire screen, I think worked. Philosophy at work. This is the merubans. I saw the doctor you recommended to show him the ration my butt. What? He completely ignored me and just kept scanning the groceries at the soft checkout. I'm very confused what's happening here. It's not relevant for us. It's an insider joke between merubans and philosophy at work. They use my super chat, you know, they put money on it. So I'm okay with that. To send secret messages to one another, it's a joke. He saw the doctor, but he saw him at the grocery store. He didn't see him at the clinic. So, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wyatt says, Nikos, you mentioned George Walsh before.

3:11:43Can you elaborate a little more about his take on the new left? You mean George Walsh, the Marxist, the Marxist, the objectivist influence person who wrote in the objectivist? Yeah, I think that's what he means. Yeah. Okay. So unfortunately, this person is so difficult to find his work. There are some lectures, which are something like John Rippert's lectures or the intellectual origins of Marx, but not on the new left. The only thing I found on the new left. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain, and overall help to help you make better decisions every day. Whether you're training, working, traveling, or just trying to fill your best, Woop shows you what helps your performance and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body. Build better habits. See where Woop can take you.

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3:14:44Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cashback that builds automatically, everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more. California resident loans made a range pursuant to a California finance law license NMLS number 1353190, Clarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply. Organic Valley protein plus, shelter filtered milk is pasture-aced from cows that might take more steps than most people. That's a plus, and it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk.

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3:16:49So, actually, 1971, so late. So he was affiliated with the objective movement for a long time into the 1990s, I think. At least into the 1980s. I think Brian Kaplan has somewhere, put up all the available, audio of his talks, Brian Kaplan is a big watch fan, so he put them all up. And just a heads up, he's not the most exciting speaker ever, but don't be discouraged by that. The content is very good. All right, Molten Splendid just came through with a, with a $50 question, which I don't know the answer to, is registration for Wednesday available yet? I don't know. That's the conference in Florida in early January. Yeah, same how it is when get advertising it.

3:17:50And so I thought it was because I thought Peter was really pushing it and had a link to a registration website. So just put Wednesday, 2027 into Google and I think you'll probably find it. Let me just do that 2027. Given that you put 50 bucks, I can do the work. And while you do, there's a Facebook post about Wednesday conference. There's Iron Rand Con, that's Iron Rand Institute. Yeah, I don't see the website, but the Facebook page should have info, and the objectives, conference, I've fought my ass to the dumb. Yeah, I don't know. The answer is I don't know. But here's another more recent post. But the dates are out. Yes, if our friend wants to book tickets, the days are out.

3:18:51So it doesn't look like there is a website because I don't see. I'm Peter Schwarz Facebook page, a link to it, just a list of speakers. And it's January 28th, January 31. So and it's at the quant plaza, which I'll effort my flotter. So that I know. I don't know, I don't know when the registration page will be up. All right, let's see, the synthesis, best books to read on Israel outside of a cash, if I'm cash and Elon's book. Yeah, six days of war on the six day war. I already suggested the eve of a distraction for the young people. And when it comes to the first, the 48, oh, but for the six day war, I would suggest the lion's gate.

3:19:51It's not it's history slash fiction, but it's the best story ever told about the six day war. It's by Stephen Pressfield, who is my favorite, one of my favorite authors. And also obviously, Benny Moore's, 1948 is good. And for the war of independence also, Odds Jerusalem by Larry Collins and Dominic Lapierre, it also has the personal stories. Someone wants DM you on Twitter and I can send you all the books about Israel that we've used in this series. Also, Sarons, biography is interesting as a biography, but obviously the line is have been right on everything. Everyone else was wrong. And if only they had listened to me. Yeah, I can't remember the name of it. I mean, they are so good. I don't have them. I don't think I kept them. I used to have a bunch of some history books, just a history of Israel book. But I don't have one that's reliable that I can recommend. I don't recommend Benny Morris's book, but why is that?

3:20:52That's a curiosity. Because if I'm cautious, basically gone through it and ripped it to shreds. He is the historical fact. Yeah, he claims he claims Benny Morris missing miss. Miss quotes been going on literally takes quotes and miss quotes them. He claims Benny Morris is really dishonest. And that there are things that are just not true. Yeah. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain, and overall help to help you make better decisions every day. Whether you're training, working, traveling, or just trying to fill your best. Woop shows you what helps your performance and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body. Build better habits. See where woop can take you. Try woop free for 30 days at woop.com. It's 2026. We upgraded our phones, our cars, even our coffee.

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3:22:56that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles. Chefs use it, restaurants use it. People who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid hit. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand, Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Akinetti from the Ben and Ashley I, almost same as podcasts. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty well. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay, cashback that builds automatically, everything in one place, and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming.

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3:25:01And he's got a whole book just dedicated to going after Benny Moes, that's his whole. He made an, you know, somewhat of an academic sidetrack just criticizing the post-ionists of which Benny Moes was one of the leaders. And then Benny Moes changed. But usually, Benny Moes changed his mind. This suggests it as this kind of neutral, like the best neutral source you can find about for the end. Yeah, but that's because the people suggesting it are coming from the left. So, from the left, he seems neutral, but from... I mean, Correst is not a weight-wing and he's not religious and he's not a fanatic, he's just a good academic. And he's been very, very critical of it, so I would definitely... What a crazy world we live in. The anti-Israel side, considers him completely an Israel, is a craze, is a Zionist.

3:26:01Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you ever watched like Friedman's debate on Israel. Yeah, that was disappointing. Yeah, and the whole debate was, Norm Fingstein going after Benny Moes about things of Benny Moes had written. Yeah, it thinks he's right. A lot of the anti-Zionist rhetoric has been based on stuff Benny Moes has written. And Correst says it's untrue. So, I'm not an historian, but I just... From getting to no courage, I trust him. And Benny Moes strikes me as disingenuous. Andrew says, Aristotle was imported via my monodies to Judaism, a quainistic Catholicism, and Muslim scholars to Islam. Has he more perverted to Vader Jewish culture, considering its healthier earthly attitude towards knowledge, production and wealth? I don't know enough about the history of the Jews, if you were from my monodies, on, at least until the 19th century.

3:27:12To what extent was it taken seriously, to what extent did the influence? I just don't know. Maybe those elements were already in Judaism before that. Judaism is a lot healthier in that sense than Christianity. It's much more of this worldly than Christianity. Some of those elements might have already been there, but maybe the impact that Judaism more than Christianity. Suddenly, by the 19th century, Jews were... Because before the 19th century, Jews were nothing. I mean, most Jews lived in little villages in the middle of nowhere and had no cultural significance. It's only starting in the 19th century that Jews have cultural significance. And that's when they started assimilating and they get into science and stuff like that. That's a big distance from my monodies to the 19th century. What happens in between there is what I don't know much about. My monodies is the 13th century, I think. Maybe the 14th.

3:28:14So I don't know his answer. Lucinda says, could you do a dialogue on Rashid Khalidi? Rashid Khalidi at some point. Do you know Rashid Khalidi? If I have to Google him, it means I don't. Yeah, neither do I. Palestinian-American historian. No, I wouldn't know anything. So I wouldn't even know where to begin. He's the Edward side professor emeritus. Yeah, it doesn't vote well. It doesn't vote well. It's a very promising... Given Edward Said and what we know about Edward Said. No, I mean, I make a case to read the best Palestinian sources just to get... But this particular one I haven't... Well, if Nico's a leading inch... I don't have the stomach to dive into it.

3:29:18James, under laissez-fait capitalism, would most people own rather than rent? Since salaries would be so much higher and owning a home would be extremely affordable? And the owning versus rent issue is a question of finance. It's a question of stage and life. It's an open question with it's better to own it to rent. Like if you're young and mobile and you're thinking you're going to move around a lot for career stuff, why would you own? You'd rather rent. Owning, remember owning in laissez-fait capitalism, your home is not going to appreciate in value. It's not going to go up in value. It's not an investment, it's kind of a sunk cost. Renting might be easier and long-line cheaper. So I think it's a very personal decision. There's no laissez-fait. Remember today, a majority of people own all over the West. A majority of people own, they don't rent. So in America, the number 63% of American households own.

3:30:21They try to get it up to 69% before the financial crisis. And that resulted in a financial crisis. So it seems like the equilibrium rate in the US is 63%. I think in Canada, it's a little higher than that in Europe. Because there's more homes that stay in the family. Maybe it's a little higher than that. Europeans also don't move around as much as Americans do. So they tend to stay in one place so they buy. It really is dependent who you are, what stage in life you are, and what your plans are. It's not related, I think, to the laissez-fait issue. Although the cost of housing is related. It's funny because it implies from your question that today most people rent. And that seems to be kind of one of those myths out there. Now most people own. Most people don't rent. La Senda, Nikos, do you agree with you once?

3:31:22Heretical opinion on cats. Also, can you say hi to my cats, Sammy and Josie? I don't know what your heretical opinion on cats. I'll tell you, I'll tell the story. We are on Sydney, sorry, somewhere else in Australia, Brisbane, we are both on the stage. And I try to make the case that without the welfare state, those in need will be taken care of. And I say a heartbreaking story with a disabled kitten in my neighborhood that half the neighborhood was taken care of the kitten. That at some point, we couldn't find it because everyone was taking it at home, not to the pet. So I said, look, if we kept so much about the kitten, imagine what we would do. And Yaron jumps. I don't care about the kitten. I don't care about kittens. So obviously, Nikos does not share my, you know, what is my heretical opinion?

3:32:22I don't like animals. I mean, I have those, I don't want them in my house. I don't want them climbing on my furniture. I don't want them licking my, you know, whatever. You know, animals are good outside. Remember also, I don't know what it's like in Greece. But particular cats, in Israel, cats were street cats. And they were in the garbage. That's where they ate. And they were big. They want these little cute, you know, things. These were cats, you know, Israeli cats. And I never got the appeal of cats. But you know, I wanted a dog when I was a kid, but we never got one because we always lived in an apartment. And my parents didn't want a dog in an apartment. And today, I just couldn't care less. What's the name of our friend who asked the question? This is Lucinda. Lucinda, my cat solidarity, I have a very unhealthy attachment to a particular cat. And I totally feel for you and I'm on your side.

3:33:24Okay. And you just say hello to Sammy and Josie. Hi to Sammy and Josie. Thank you, Lucinda. All right. Molten splendor. Nikos, several openly gay people, I know. Support the Palestinians because they view Israel as an oppressor and think they're standing in solidarity with Palestinians as oppressed people. And that they don't realize how short life would be for them there. Oh, but I think they do realize that. I think you're underestimating them. I think they know that they would be killed if they were in Gaza. So to humble brag, I released a video on this topic just a week ago and it currently is my fourth most watched video at 56,000 views. Wow. And the title which says it all is I tried to seriously engage queer for Palestine.

3:34:24So I'm taking a document from queer of Palestine and I try to very seriously try to make sense of it. And it's something that we also discussed with Yaron when we did the left islam alliance. And it's very simple. These people unfortunately, they are so tied to every bromide they've heard that you cannot. The main issue, there are too many issues one. You cannot criticize this culture. So yes, we know that they would kill us but who are we to criticize? And the second is the altruism. That it is. Yeah, but we are more powerful and. But they recognize they recognize that they wouldn't last long there. So it is this very difficult to comprehend. I know I would die and then I would support them. And that's my first point. Why would you support someone could kill you because if they were you. Your body is always giving you signals. Who helps you understand them? Whoop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights

3:35:25until your sleep, recovery, strain and overall help to help you make better decisions every day. Whether you're training, working, traveling or just trying to fill your best. Whoop shows you what helps your performance and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body, build better habits, see where whoop can take you. Try whoop free for 30 days at whoop.com. It's 2026. We upgraded our phones, our cars, even our coffee. So why are we still acting like pleasure is negotiable? At Pink Cherry, it's not. They've got hundreds of toys that actually deliver. And if you don't know where to start, their mystery boxes make it easy. Go to pinkcherry.com and use promo code Chelsea to save up to 80% site wide. Because life is hard feeling good shouldn't be. Pinkcherry.com because everyone deserves pleasure. This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East. That's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. That's Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Okay, we've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bowen. Wow, the feedback we're getting.

3:36:26I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Well, the answer? Egg yolks. Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid hit. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand, Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Kinnetti from The Ben and Ashley I almost same as podcasts. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us.

3:37:27Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay, cash back that builds automatically, everything in one place, and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more. California resident loans made a range pursuant to a California finance law license, NMLS number 1353190, Clarna balance account required to be eligible for cash back points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply. Organic Valley Protein Plus Sultard filter milk is pasture-aiced from cows that might take more steps than most people. That's a plus. And it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk.

3:38:31That's a big plus. And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving also a plus. Organic Valley Protein Plus Sultard filter milk. Protein Plus Sultard pasture-aiced. Learn more at organicvalley.com I mean, if you maybe you don't care about your life or no you should, but if you don't care, if they kill you, they would also kill other people. They would also kill other minorities. So you are heading yourself and you're also heading the world. So anyway, it's a half an hour video I explain everything that's going on with these people. But I think it comes down to this altruism and relativism, non-judgmentalism. Who am I to judge? So both of them issues of lack of self-esteem and lack of belief in your... Yes. Yeah, and they view themselves as oppressed because they gave. And they're for the Palestinians oppressed, they saw the Dairity. It's why the Irish are so pro-Palestinian because they were oppressed by the British.

3:39:33Now, you know, it's all this stupidity. But I'll add, I think I said this when we talked about this about the left. They also bring this element they take from us so, which is that... The reason Palestinians hate the gays is because they were oppressed by... So when you're oppressed, you might hold these barbaric ideas. But once the Palestinians are liberated and they will see the light and can escape the civilizing nature of western civilization, they will change their opinion about the gays. So it's Israel's fault. It's Israel's fault. It's the West fault that Palestinians hate gays. Or the Islam hates gays, however you want to put it. Go figure. Particularly with the Palestinians, it's funny because the West was there for what?

3:40:36Like two or three decades. And somehow these three decades has influenced them and not their culture of sensualism. Yeah. All right. The center says Rashid Khalid seems very influential in the poor Palestinian side. So seems worth looking into. He has family history with Palestine and is connected with the movement. Herzl sent letter to Khalid's great, great, great uncle. Okay. Interesting. Right. Nikos is adding it to his list of books to read. Not very enthusiastically. Yeah. I mean, we can't... There's only so much we can delve into this one particular issue in the world. As it is, we're doing a lot of shows and as well. There's so much stuff we could be doing. So for example, in two, next week is the anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis. But we can't do it this year. We'll do it next year. Yeah. Yeah. There's just... There's a lot...

3:41:37Other stuff in the world we need to do. Oh, exploring Simon. There's did another 50 sticker. Thank you, exploring Simon. Thank you very much. We really appreciate it. Hi. I even says, do you know of any great sculptors and painters that make great heroic art? But also a football. Perhaps something will happen. Let me give a shout out to the Cordairs Gallery. So they don't just sell art, but they... Linda has a program, not a program. How to put it. Sikhan, guide you towards affordable art. So pay them a visit at Cordair Art. And you'll find the relevant links or get in touch with Linda on Twitter or from the website. And I mean, part of your selling point is you don't have to be very rich to have good art at your place. So, yeah, take it out. I mean, sculpture is more difficult because sculpture has a high cost of production because of bloods, casting and all of that.

3:42:42But I just bought a sculpture from an up and coming guy. It's actually in residence. It's not in bronze. It doesn't cost a lot. And you know, my wife was at the Florence Academy of Art doing a course. And I went to visit her and I saw a work by one of the students there. And it was like, wow, this is really good. And went up to them and asked them if they wanted to sell. And the guy was blown away because I'm not sure he'd ever sold the sculpture before. So it's like, you really want... I mean, my wife went up to him and asked him. And yeah, so she didn't go to say the price. And they will ship it to us. So I think the best school of art in the world today, when it comes to painting, drawing and sculpture, is the Florence Academy of Art. And you can go to the website. And every time I go there, I think I've been there twice or three times.

3:43:42You just walk the halls in. You watch what just regular people are doing. And it's just magnificent. And you can imagine if this was mainstream, you know, you then get the geniuses among them doing really great art. It's stunning. They're drawing the painting and the sculptures that they do there are really, really amazing. If you're a young artist and you would like to learn to sculpt and paint like in the style of the 19th century, check out the Florence Academy of Art. You can go get your bachelor's degree basically there and really learn from masters, really learn how to sculpt and draw and paint, like they did when they knew what they were doing. And keeping in mind that asking me about art is like asking an average American viewer of this show about soccer. I very much like the paintings of an Argentinian painter called Fabian Perez.

3:44:42They're very noir, masculine, feminine, dynamic. I really like them. I can't afford them though, but I like seeing them from afar. So he does like tango. Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. Not just that, but that's a good way to describe it. I see this stuff. I can see the appeal. All right. Good. Let's see what else do we have. Blue Soul says, as I form a chain Castro admirer six years ago, thank you, you are on from freeing me for what I heard. No, thank you, you are on from freeing me when I heard you on Lex Friedman's podcast. I'm happy to catch you live. Very cool. Love hearing that. If I feed you from chain Castro, you know, that is amazing. It makes my day. It makes it makes doing the show that that justifies doing these shows.

3:45:49Before he on our celebratory show, if we have a Christmas celebratory show, someone remind me to tell you the story of when I had a very good plan on meeting Fidel Castro and it almost happened. That's why he grew the beard. All right. Molten spread this as your wife. Be willing to show the recent sculptor that she completed to your audience. Possibly it's gorgeous. It's really as beautiful. It's a bust. It's just a bust. It's gorgeous. I think my wife said in the process of creating a Instagram page when that project is complete, she'll have sculptures and drawings and stuff that she's done up there. And I'll share that with you and you guys can go and see what you think. But yeah, what she did in in flaunts is she's really, really, really beautiful. And I went and I saw the class in not to boast about my wife, but she was so much better than any of the other students.

3:46:55I mean, just much better. All right. Frank, Niko's talk about evicted lady and French riots. I haven't followed the evicted lady story, so I can't talk about it. I'm so sorry. French riots. Let them evolve first of all because the most important thing with these things is to see how it's not so much that 200 people were doing the right. It's how the culture and society reacts to them. So to be honest, my friend, I haven't got a good answer yet. Obviously, it should be a wake up call that something is really screwed here, but I'm very curious to see how, how this will evolve, whether it's going to die down. Remember, these things happen in waves in France. You had the right in 2005, then you had the red, the yellow vest and it completely completely disappeared. Let's see how this plays out. And remember in France, we have elections and both melanchon and Le Pen.

3:47:56They have a momentum. So let's see if the, because remember, after the May 1968 riots, who was the biggest political winner, the right and the goal. So it's always curious to see how this will play out. And I wouldn't be surprised if he had made you riots at the end of that election. If particularly Marie Le Pen wins, the left will come out into streets. But we'll see. We'll see what happens. But yeah, the French are used to riots and I think there's a nihilistic element within French society that always takes advantage of these riots and accelerates. Don't these riots are ethnography of them are different, even from the riots of 2005. Because even then you had the suburbs, but then it was more like a gang drive element rather than an ethnic religious element. And now you think it's ethnical, it just.

3:48:56It's too early to tell, but I wouldn't rule it out. Right. Le Sinder is really on a mission here. Reason I think, Aliti is specifically important to look at is because I see his narrative in hundreds, in 100 years war on Palestine is often the basis of how people my age, she's young, conceptualize the issue. Also, lots of YouTubers parrot his narrative. So the city has also written many books or where should we begin? These requires us to contribute basically our life for a month reading this guy. 100 years war on Palestine. Is that a book? Yes. So maybe that's the one she recommends. Right, we will look at this. So I don't know how many more shows we're going to do in Israel, but we will look at it. She is a tune to she's in Germany and she's a tune to what much of the young people are.

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3:51:14This is Matt Rogers from Los Cultures. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Cultures. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Okay, we've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bowen. Wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Well, the answer? Egg yolks. Cupid is made with egg yolks only giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles, chefs use it, restaurants use it. People who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise.

3:52:17This is Ashley Kennedy from the Ben and Ashley I almost have his podcast. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cashback that builds automatically. Everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more. California resident loans made a range pursuant to a California finance law license NMLS number 1353190 clarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points limitations to him's a condition supply.

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3:54:19The needy today. He used a map. Here they are. I am. No, they race. They race. Yeah, look, the lines are thick today. So no, no, he wants you to buy an eraser. To erase what? This is not the other side is the dry erase marker. Oh, dry erase marker. Okay, whatever. Hey, for eraser, the best thing if you someone wants for the classroom is that these wet wipes. Okay, they are better than anything else. They they work great. Right. Run says, isn't mull and rational to bump dams on the Nile in context of defensive war. Immediate lack of I got I got tens of millions not existential situation, but to reduce casualties of conventional war. I got the same question on the works of I did with the Israel group on on Friday. This is such an out of context question and we have the same disagreement on Friday.

3:55:21What is this war? Who started this war? How existential is this war? You realize that again, this is like if you do this, it gives you a very marginal tactical or strategic evidence and it's so it's going to cause you so much trouble with your allies with the allies on the other side. The moral high ground is important in a war in terms of how much your imagine the damage it will do to your role, the moral of your own citizens. It's not that your citizens tomorrow suddenly everyone is going to be I have full moral clarity that I to defend myself. This is so out of context it's impossible to answer it for me. No, I think that's right. Look, is it moral and rational? It depends. It depends on the particular context and what's at stake and what can be saved. So you know from what I wrote about just for theory, I think killing civilians explicitly targeting civilians can be the right strategy in the right context in the right time.

3:56:24But as long as it's not good to it is and if it really does save lives. Now again, it's different for Israel than it is for the United States. The United States theoretically and I think practically doesn't need to care what anybody else thinks about what it does. Israel cannot afford to piss off the United States. It's the reality. It can't. So and what circumstances should it do it when should it do it? Yeah, I don't think I can answer it as a there's nothing philosophically to say no you cannot do it. But and also even with the killing civilians things you don't kill them because you want to kill civilians kill us. Because they work in a factory like in Japan, which is producing weapons that are then are going to turn the towards you. So context is context is very, very important there. Otherwise we are rationalist and we just say, yeah, you know, yeah, nuke.

3:57:25The moral thing is to nuke easy. Yeah, maybe then we're going to disappear, but at least we won't have sanction immorality and we will have done the proper thing. Of course, we're all going to be dead, but at least we won't have sanctioned whatever. Yeah, it's all context dependence. And again, if you're defending, you have a right to defend yourself and you have a right to do whatever is necessary to defend yourself. But you still have to take into account what is the most effective way to defend yourself. And it's not always the most effective way to have a mass casualty event. It depends. It depends on what's going on in the world. It depends on who you are, what you are and what's at stake. You know, bombing Dresden is moral because I mean, if you really want to crush the spirit of the enemy because they won't fight if you do it or because, but you have to have a rationale.

3:58:25You can just bomb them into oblivion for the sake of blaming them into oblivion. You have to have a rationale that is consistent with self defense, which is consistent with victory. Otherwise, you can be like the red army. Then you can violate a women duo, everything else. But you know, I have the no, no, everything needs to be there needs to be a reason that makes your victory that makes sense in terms of personal delivery new the victory. Daniel says has Nikos become is Nikos being converted to being a hot hockey fan yet. Hey, no, I don't like the idea of a hockey B, as I've said in the past, I only follow sports that I can understand and I can be an expert on. So my list is already filled basketball and football. There's no chance I'm going to follow any I even stop watching UFC because I couldn't follow it closely and I don't just want to be.

3:59:27You know, a hobby. I want to understand what I'm seeing. Anyway, also the goal is so the goal post is so small like it's I don't like hockey. All right, these really are keeping the Israeli opposition has has making a constitution on its platform. Is this likely to be accomplished? How should it be done and what can be the result? No, I mean, the likelihood of it happening is as close to zero as one can get without completely zeroing it out. I think you need a super majority for constitution and there is no super majority in Israel for good constitution. How should it be done? I don't know. I mean, this is a problem, right? Because if they were a constitution today, it would suck. It would look like European constitution with 350 individual rights, right? To everything so human rights human rights.

4:00:30So I mean, there's something in me that hopes they don't write a constitution because if they write one, it will be terrible. It's the same as all these conservatives tell me, oh, we need a constitutional convention in America. If you had a constitutional convention in America today, you'd get an awful constitution. So, yeah, no. But, you know, if you could do it, it would look a lot like the American constitution and it would have an emphasis on separation of church and state, which would never happen in Israel. I mean, this is a problem right at the founding of the country. Bingo, this is to be compromised. To get the religionists on board with the founding of Israel, Bingo, you had to basically commit to not having a separation of state from church. We're going to start with the psychological barrier of three hours proving that we are the staccano vites of objective is once more.

4:01:34Did you guys already cover the last season of Fowder was pretty good recommended if anyone didn't see it. You must have missed the announcement that in two weeks, we're doing a whole show on Fowder, including a review of the final final season. So I recommend people watch Fowder and particularly the final seeded. I recommend that anyway independent of whether you listen to the show or not. But yes, that will be in the future we haven't talked about it yet. Andrew says, I think it's Harry in 100 voices who tells a story that Rand's cat peed on a wall in her apartment. Bad cat scolded Harry. Rand looks sharply at Harry. No, and corrected him. Good cat. Bad action. Even if it's not in a hundred voices, Harry has said this story so many times that it's now it's in the popular remand image of this story exists. So no, I mean, love cats, loved hook cats. Clearly fed them generous because the cats are very tabby.

4:02:41All right, blue soul says, I'm going to Rio de Janeiro Brazil soon. You're on any recommendations, restaurants, where did you stay? I'll be staying in Ipanema. Ipanema is a great place to stay. So that's wonderful. Recommendations in Rio. The tourist sites do all the cheesy places they tell tourists to go. They're amazing in Rio de Janeiro. The views are stunning. Go up to Christ's. But the best thing is if you can, you should you should basically do this. Higher a in the cheap, they're not they're not expensive, but higher a tour guide, a private guide, if you can, with a car, don't drive in Rio de Janeiro. Don't walk around the streets at night by yourself in Rio de Janeiro. You've got to be very, very alert. You've got to be cautious. So higher a, higher a driver tour guide. It usually comes in one package. The driver is the tour guide. And tell him to take you to the best views in Rio is all about the views, or mostly about the views.

4:03:50So there are all these hidden places that you can go to with and a lot of tourists and with this views of Rio are stunning. But go to all the touristy places as well. Go up to Sugarloaf, go to Christ's, the Redeemer. Go to all the places. If you like skydiving, what do you call when you have when you skydiving, I think. And if you like jumping off a mountain, there's a great mountain in Rio de Janeiro that is great for jumping off of as a skydiver. My wife has done anything twice. I know it's insane. You couldn't, you couldn't know a amount of money would ever get me to do it, but she loves it. Whenever she lands, she always goes, that was too short. You know what, I want more. So, but that's, oh, what did you want to know recommendations for restaurants? I do, but you want me to tell you now.

4:04:51I have to look up in my database. I don't remember the names of these places. Meanwhile, I need to ask. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain, and overall help to help you make better decisions every day. Whether you're training, working, traveling, or just trying to fill your best, Woop shows you what helps your performance and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body. Build better habits. See where Woop can take you. Try Woop free for 30 days at Woop.com. It's 2026. We upgraded our phones, our cars, even our coffee. So why are we still acting like pleasure is negotiable? At Pink Cherry, it's not. They've got hundreds of toys that actually deliver and whether you know exactly what you like or you're still figuring it out, there is a wide range to explore. If you'd rather skip the guesswork, their mystery boxes make it easy. They curate a mix for you so you can discover new favorites without overthinking it.

4:05:55And they ship discreetly with free shipping on orders over $59, which we love. So go to Pink Cherry.com and use promo code Chelsea to save up to 80% off site wide. Because life is hard feeling good shouldn't be Pink Cherry.com because everyone deserves pleasure. This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East. That's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. That's Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Okay, we've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bowen. Wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of you all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Well, the answer? Egg yolks. Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles.

4:06:59Chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid hit. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Akineti from the Ben and Ashley I, almost same as podcasts. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cashback that builds automatically. Everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions of feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Clarna app today or visit clarna.com to learn more.

4:08:07California resident loans made a range pursuant to a California finance law license NMLS number 1353190 or Clarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points limitations terms and conditions apply. Organic Valley protein plus ultra-filter milk is pasture-aiced from cows that might take more steps than most people. That's a plus. And it has 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk. That's a big plus. And the fact that it didn't make a pun about moving? Also a plus. Organic Valley protein plus ultra-filter milk. Protein plus pasture-aiced learn more at organicvalley.com Ipanema when I heard the song a girl from Ipanema for some reason I always thought it was in Japan or something so Ipanema is in Brazil. Absolutely. And that song is written by bazillions. It's part of it's part of a whole culture and movement of us on over in Brazil. The girl from Ipanema walking to the beach, beach culture and Rio de Janeiro. It's not only Brazil. It's not even Brazil. It's Rio de Janeiro. That song is Rio de Janeiro. Everything about it is Rio de Janeiro.

4:09:18It took me 43 years to figure out this is about the Japanese girl. One thing you have to do is you have to walk the beach. The Ipanema and Leblon or Copacabana. But I've never seen beaches like this. So the beaches are divided not physically but spiritually. They're divided into tribes. And so every group has their own section of the beach. So you have the gay section. You have the hot amazingly looking women section. The other thing is to watch them play soccer on the beach. It's so much fun these Brazilians. The ball control that they have, that they learn playing on the beach. The volleyball that they play, they play volleyball with their legs. So you're not allowed to touch the ball with your hands or any of the legs. It's amazing what they can do.

4:10:19I'm better at this sport than volleyball and football. So the beach. The people watching on the Leblon and Ipanema and Copacabana beaches. That's just fun. Just walking along the beach. Go swim in the water as well. Okay, restaurants, three restaurants. Lasay, L-A-S-A-I, O-R-O, O-R-O, and O-T-E-Q-E-U-E. Those are the three I would recommend. I mean, there are others, but those have personal experience. I probably have a longer list next time after being to Rio in a few weeks. I'll be there. What else? I never stop getting impressed with your bomb with their things. So let me tell people. So in London, I was waiting for Yaron in his hotel, so obviously I arrived earlier. So he's, first of all, he shows up. There's a whole situation in the reception. They know him by name. They remember the last time he was there. They give him a better woman, all that stuff.

4:11:31I was impressed. I have to say. Yeah, I got hugs from personnel from, you know, he was, I could tell Nikos was standing in the background and going, what the hell is going on here? He's not that big of a celebrity. So he's a celebrity to us, but that is actually. I'm listening to a book right now about the enlightenment and the concept of cosmopolitan that really becomes the concept in the enlightenment. And I'm a cosmopolitan. I mean, I mean, you know, and I say that probably. When I say I stay at the share, I stayed at the Sherritzon usually in, in the end of Leblanc. It's not the nature's hotel, but it's got the best views from the room, I think. So we, we love to get a room with, you know, with a view from that hotel. All right, Lucinda, 100 year war on Palestine is probably the most bought and read for Palestinian book. So that's the one to read.

4:12:40Okay, no, seriously, then I might be with the chance, not anytime soon, because, yeah, we have a lot of things lined up. But next time we come to the topic, I'll have it in mind. Thank you. Neil, ask is BB making a comeback? Is the public still against him like prior to October 7th? I don't know if he's making a comeback. BB seems to always make a comeback. That is BB seems to always outperform the polls. Always do really, really well at the last minute. I would not be shocked if that happened again. I'll be disappointed. I'll be horrified. I'll be upset. But I won't be, I won't be surprised. I really, really hope BB loses. It's time for him to exit politics. Maltan Splendor, three years ago, I cruised the Suez Canal and noticed hundreds of vacant apartment buildings on the west side. Do you know why they are vacant and what they are originally built for?

4:13:42Wait, on the west you mean on the Egypt side? On the Egypt side. Because the Israeli is obviously you will tell them about that. The Israeli is left a lot of projects when they hand in signal. Yeah, but no, no, no, the Suez Canal. Your body is always giving you signals. Woop helps you understand them. Woop is the wearable health and fitness coach that provides personalized insights until your sleep, recovery, strain and overall help to help you make better decisions every day. Whether you're training, working, traveling or just trying to fill your best. Woop shows you what helps your performance and what might be holding you back. Listen to your body. Build better habits. See where Woop can take you. Try Woop free for 30 days at woop.com. It's 2026. We upgraded our phones, our cars, even our coffee. So why are we still acting like pleasure is negotiable at Pink Cherry? It's not. They've got hundreds of toys that actually deliver and whether you know exactly what you like or you're still figuring it out, there is a wide range to explore.

4:14:43If you'd rather skip the guesswork, their mystery boxes make it easy. They curate a mix for you so you can discover new favorites without overthinking it. And they ship discreetly with free shipping on orders over $59, which we love. So go to Pink Cherry.com and use promo code Chelsea to save up to 80% off site wide because life is hard. Feeling good shouldn't be Pink Cherry.com because everyone deserves pleasure. This is Matt Rogers from Los Cultures. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Cultures. This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. We've been talking about Cupid male for a minute now, Bowen. Wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of you all love this stuff. You're stopping us in the street going, I love Cupid. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupid? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know what, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo? Will the answer? Egg yolks.

4:15:43Cupid is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles. Chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it. Whatever you're eating, Cupid hit. So if you haven't tried Cupid yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. This is Ashley Akinetti from the Ben and Ashley I almost have his podcast. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty well. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cashback that builds automatically.

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4:17:49So this would be on the west. This would be in the Egyptian side. No, I don't know. But I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to develop that region. You know, increased the population along the Susskin out, better established their ownership of it, and turned into these white elephants where nobody ever moved there because it's not exactly a great place to live. There are other places along the Red Sea, which are beautiful in Egypt that have very populated and have become big resort towns. But no, I'm not familiar with that. But you know, as Chechi PT, I have a feeling you'll get a pretty good answer. Stephen Hopper, actor Raymond Massey, who played Gail Weinerd in the fountainhead, was wounded in World War I and II. Wow. Robert Douglas, who played Tui, was a pilot in the Royal Navy in World War II.

4:18:50Yeah, I mean, most of the actors in the post-World War II era actually fought in World War II. I mean, Jimmy Stewart. I can't remember all the names, but a bunch of them were what's his name? Leslie Howard, who was one of my favorite actors who played in the scholar Pimperno. Leslie Howard was actually killed in World War II. He was playing, he was an arachnist since mission, he was in military intelligence, and his plane was shot down by the Germans somewhere and he was killed. So, you know, a lot of the actors of the time also served in the military. Yeah, the guy who plays Wain and I saw him in a film noir, which was very not a woman in the window, something like that. Anyway, he was a big actor, he's played him and he's a very good one. Yeah, he was. Listen to rewatch season one of Fowder and started season two. Season two seems good so far. Production value definitely went up. No question. They got money after season one and season two is better production value.

4:19:53Although it feels like something missing for the tone of season one so far. I agree. Season one had a certain authenticity that it loses a little bit. I think the worst season is season four, the one in Lebanon. Too far reaching and then the geography is completely wrong. They get from one place to another, they should take them a long time to get to and they make it instantaneously. So season three is the thing is in Gaza. Is that right? Part of it because there are also the... Not to take away the thunder from our... So I'll just say this, Mike. It's... season one is very realistic. The fight seems, I'm impressed. And also I like a lot the panther. The villain is very interesting figure. As opposed to that idiot who plays the Hamas kid, the guy who is in love with his cousin who I never found him persuading. But as we'll say in the review, the villains are very interesting in the show and the archetypes of the villains.

4:21:01So only season I didn't like was I think four. Was the one with Belgium and Brussels and then in Lebanon. I just thought it was too far fetched. Jason. And by the way, yeah, we'll talk about this. There is a short story based on the song that go from the panema by Japanese author Haruki Muwa Kami. So Japanese did right about that. Everything points, everything points to Japan. How would I know that it's Brazil? Because it's Bosanova. You know, no Bosanova? Of course I know Bosanova, but not all Bosanova is written about Brazil. But it's all written by Brazilians in Brazil. It could be a veteran who fought in Okinawa. No. It's a very interesting relationship between Japan and Brazil in the martial arts. If you hear the story of how the Greicy family, it's a very, there are cultural relationships between Brazil and Japan.

4:22:05It's a huge, I think the largest Japanese community outside of Japan is in Brazil. I think in, yeah, so there's a huge migration from Japan to Brazil at some point. And there's a very large population of there and in Peru for some reason. Peru is another place where there are a lot of Japanese. Last question I think. Andrew says, a side remark of peacuff that sticks with me was to the effect that as an objectivist, he used to feel like he was in a fishbowl looking out at others in the world. Until he realized he was part of the world. Who is that? Peacuff. Lenin. Yeah, we are part of the world. So, you know, stop looking out at the world. I don't remember hearing that from Peacuff, but it doesn't surprise me too much. But yes, we are part of it. Embrace that. All right, I need to go to dinner. You need to go to sleep.

4:23:06What is it? One 15 or something? And I don't have anything now to read out the bed. Every night I would read for the young people worse. Suddenly, now I need to find something new to read. Well, you've got, what's his name? You've got, God, I was going to say effective altruism. The book for next week. No, I'm not starting it after this episode. I need to, I need to, you need to find a novel to read after the episodes. Like fiction. I'm reading Zorba the Greek by Kazanzakis in Greek. It's interesting. Yeah. That's interesting. I've seen the movie, but I... It has a lot of clichés. I think the book is better than the movie. Yeah. We go on more questions. And it's $50, so we have to answer it. Molten's Flander. Chad G.P.T. answer. Though tens of thousands of apartment units have been structurally completed, they remain

4:24:09largely ghost towns due to a mismatch between government planning and economic reality. Yeah. So I got it somewhat right. But yes. All right. And Lucinda came in with 50 euros. Lucinda is very generous. And super smart. Lucinda says, I remember when I first watched season one, and the pantheid each chocolate in the hospital despite the risk. Yeah, that's awful. And got me thinking about the contradictions of living on earth on the death premise, the contradictions of living on the death premise. How somebody can enjoy chocolate while working towards death. Okay. I'm impressed with our friend. I don't know who this person is. But this is Lucinda. This is Lucinda. This is Lucinda. Yeah, but I don't know who this is. But I was impressed by this comment because I had exactly the same thought that there's something very humanizing in this guy with his chocolate, his affection for chocolate.

4:25:11And this is what Fowda is very good at. It tries to show you the human element, both sides without saying that everyone is right. Without moral equivalency. Yeah, yeah, it's a very delicate balance and they're so good at it. All right, guys. Thank you. Incredibly generous today. You guys blew away our target. That's always good. And we will see you next week. It's Saturday next week. Not Sunday. I can explain on Saturday. My team. All right. I thought you wanted it Saturday. Maybe I got the week's all mixed up. You got the width. So is it okay if we do it? It's actually oh no, there's another game on Sunday. Okay, okay, whatever I told you, yes, because it's going to be after the game. Yes, Saturday. Now I don't know what you told me. No, no, no, no. We'll reconvene. We'll reconvene and we'll. Okay, so Saturday. I have it at 3 p.m. So now a later, but I can make it so that the game is over.

4:26:16Yes. So I'm going to go to the game and I remember saying I think I shouldn't go, but I can't remember why. But the Sunday better because for me Sunday is better. No, because there's another game on Sunday. So yeah. All right. All right. So if it's impossible for you, we could do it Sunday. But if you can keep it there, it's good. I can only do I think two hours on Saturday. Okay, let's reconvene. Okay, we can be in, check the exact timing of the game so we can have already otherwise I wouldn't have. Okay. All right. All right. Have a great week, everybody. We will see you either Saturday or Sunday next week. Bye, everybody. Bye, Nikos. Bye, get on the stage.

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