TJG: RHONY S16 E4!

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2:03helping you understand what drives you. So you can build better habits to not just lose weight, but keep it off. Noom. Lose for keeps. Get started at noom.com. Not all customers will clinically qualify for medications. Individual results may vary. Welcome back to Two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay. And it's Courtney from LA. Did I match your vibe? You did. I love the vibe. Me too. Me too. In sync girl. Dibs JC. JC Stravez. Yeah, in sync. Oh, okay. Or JC Stravez. Yeah, in sync. Oh, okay. Or JC Stravez. In sync. Oh, okay. Or JC as in Jesus Christ. That's you. You're the resident Catholic around here. You know, shows that have religion incorporated them.

3:07Although this one probably doesn't. Secret lives of Mormon wives Orange County. Why isn't it called secret lives of influencers lives? I don't think they need the built in. I know Jen is going to come in there and you've got Macy's sister. And maybe a couple of people who maybe were once Mormon, but also like they're definitely more just influencers. I can't wait for them to try to introduce how Mormonism has affected their lives. Because I think some of them don't have any relationship with the Mormon church. I also think most of them don't live in Orange County. Okay, tell me more. Avery Woods does not live in Orange County. Jen Affleck, I don't think lived in Orange County. She might have just moved there for a hot second. I think Macy's sister does. I think Aspen Ovard, I believe she is LA. I think like Saloma Andrea. I think she was LA and like you taught one point. So I just think that it's mom talk with the OC. Like it should have been called mom talk. I'm sure TikTok probably blocked that of being able to use that in the name because of IP.

4:08But we shouldn't have been able to change it. Right. Influencer wives could have been something. Yes. But it is premiering on November 12th. So something to look forward to. It's a great Thanksgiving show. If you don't watch it right away, but you know how it is here? You got to watch it right away because everyone's talking about it. Otherwise it's old news. We're never putting up that stossy one because it's old news. I don't even know where it is. It's lost. It's a lost file literally. But the show did exist and we did talk about it for like over an hour. In person with each other. In you. We're holding hands with Lisa Barlow. We talked about it a little bit yesterday with Theresa Melania. Then Theresa made this statement which just broke my heart. It was somewhat of what we were saying yesterday. I wish she didn't have to go through this in the public. She had a loss of two friends. The whole thing is just so sad. Theresa is trying her hardest. And I like what Theresa put up. She's like, hey, my daughter's 20 years old.

5:10We're trying to take care of this privately. Please give us our piece right now. I really need it. I mean, start thinking about Joe too because it's like Theresa's doing this all on her own right now. Joe can't even come to help. Perringia went down to Florida to get her out of there to get her into a safe space. And that bothered me. I was like upset over that. And I do think if Joe could be here, he would have gotten Melania out of there too. Yeah, I feel so bad for Theresa. And I just wish Melania the best of luck. And I think we have done a really good job of being really mindful of the situation. Because at the end of the day, she's a young girl. She's 20 years old. And I hope she gets the help that she needs. Okay, so should we talk some Rony? I love this show. I think it is so good. We're only on episode four. Oh, yeah. The new girls have really changed the show. I think Erin is in her villain season, even though I think she does not realize it. And Martha wants to be a housewife.

6:12And she is a villain. And I don't think she realizes it. I was so shocked to see Martha in this luncheon again. I was absolutely dying. She is a monster. Daisy must have such an NDA. I don't think Daisy is setting these scenes up. I know why. I think it's setting them up completely. We've had three episodes now where Martha has been there like present as in this episode on the opener. And then she called her on the phone last week about the satire. Right. It's Daisy's birthday in real time. So Daisy posted yesterday. Martha had sent her some type of a bun cake, I would say. And I'm like, I'm sorry. That's what Martha Stewart sent you on your birthday. A pre-packaged bun cake. It was pre-packaged. Martha gave her so much shit for that pre-packaged pie. She didn't even make it. Wait, it was in cellophane with some mirror golds. And it was a bun. Wait, do you think she made it and got to center her house?

7:12That makes me feel better. She had to, right? You don't think that there was anything else associated with the cake. She had to have given her a gift as well. Maybe she's going to pay to get rid of the popcorn ceilings. You'd like to think so. I am like, I'm very curious if one, Daisy and Eugene are together and two, if they still live in that apartment. They're never leaving that apartment. I wouldn't either. Jessal, she really made me laugh over the weekend though because she posted a photo of her mom drinking like a glass of wine and pointing to their London home. Babe, we've got popcorn ceilings. Like, I thought that was so silly. But also people were saying she did that with AI. No. Jessal was making fun of herself. Not me calling out popcorn ceilings only to have them in my family home. I mean, she has to go on the apology tour right now. She is not looking good. I thought she came off better this episode than she did last week, especially at the gala. She really shined there. I think even Carol was like, I can't believe I'm siding with Jessal here at the gala.

8:14Ding bat. Let's start back in Brooklyn at that Passover dinner because we had just had that giant moment where Aaron was like, well, I would rather be boring than break up a marriage of a man with eight children. And that's something a boring person would say because breaking up a marriage of eight children. I mean, hello, that's not boring. So Aaron is boring. She doesn't want to drama. But those things are not the same. No. No, I felt really... Why are you breathing like that? You guys, I was basically breathing like that because she was like fake smoking. And she needed the inhale like that. You know, because she was like wanting a joint in that moment. So that's why she was breathing that heavy. She was breathing deep. I thought she was trying to like not lunge across that table and put her hands on Aaron because she was levied.

9:16Right. She's like that home-wrecking, hailey storyline when I was 22 years old. That's a false narrative. The whole world plays judgment on me. And you know what? That changed me. And in that moment, you're just like, this is so, so sad. Jessel's trying to help her and chime in. And then she just starts calling Aaron. You're a piece of shit. She's like, fuck you. You make shit up. I see how you move in this group. You are a line-ass snake of a bitch. You know what? You're a garden snake. And I'm a fucking moncoose. Watch your fucking back. I am not the one to fuck with. I quit. You are a weak ass bitch and you lie about everything and you always play the victim. I don't think Aaron realized the magnitude of how this has affected hailey because she's like, you showed all the magazines in a TikTok from the previous summer. Mind you, where are April? But she's talking about a TikTok from last summer where hailey is showing her magazine covers.

10:16You mean a TikTok? A TikTok. Yes, a TikTok from hailey. Can I also make a random statement? Sure. So on this week of Ultimate Girls Trip, Aaron talks about how she can't get pregnant anymore because she got her boobs done, which, you know, biology. I started looking for him now because she let us know that she had gotten them done. And then I didn't notice them here. Yeah, I didn't notice them. I did notice when Erica left the house for shorts are so short. It's actually insane that she wore this to pass over. I kind of loved her this week. Carol did mention it last week. Erica's got a great ass. I wish my ass looked like that. I'm like, that's your tagline though, Carol. I know. But I guess you say good ass, not great ass. So it's different. But Aaron is like, you are saying that your magazine's, Aaron just did not realize the can of worms. She opened. And then I feel like she tries to be the victim of you call me boring. And when hailey storms out of it, I think Aaron is like, because Carol's like, these

11:16are not comparable things. She had like a funny cheeky jam joke about you. And you said she broke up a marriage of someone that had eight children. Those are not comparable. She's like, do not look for sympathy from me. Mm-hmm. Meanwhile, Daisy's like, I cooked, I cleaned, I made it nice. She's like, girls, like you're ruining this. I felt really bad for Daisy because every time either her or Dale were serving them, the women started eating immediately without even waiting to let her sit down. She's serving them wine, their chow and down. I'm like, this is so sad. Can she sit down with you guys and also break bread? And Dale, a jack of all trades, I love it. A driver, a handyman, sometimes babysits. I made a Dale in my life. I think that's your husband. I think he's like that. So Si runs after Hailey. And this accent of Si's comes out. I didn't even recognize that it was Si at first.

12:17I was like, who is this? Like, accent was really strong here. It was really strong when she was talking to her aunt. And I was like, has she been suppressing this accent the whole time? It was so jarring when she went out and consoled Hailey. I also thought that was a very interesting person out of all the women to go out after Hailey. And she's like, you set up by yourself. And sometimes that's what you have to do sometimes. We know that Jussel was late too because she posted a thread last week and she said the reason why I was late and it wasn't two hours was because I was reaching for something at the top of my closet. I was on a mini ladder and I fell off of it. So I was on a pain killer. So Jussel probably would have been the one to go after her, but she physically could not. So Si closest to the door, she went out. But I felt bad for Hailey and Erin's because she's trying to cover it up now because she fucked up. It's like it's not a big deal. Isn't that her claim to fame? I know. She's totally trying to back pedal. She's trying to make it like, you guys, this is what she talks about all the time.

13:17It's not new news to anyone. This is her thing. She puts it on the TikTok. I'll show you. Yeah. Erin, stop digging the hole. I mean, keep digging the hole for me as a viewer, but for yourself, stop. And Hailey's kind of breaking down. She's D Mike. She is having PTSD right now from all of this because it's very apparent watching this show. Obviously, Hailey hasn't been able to move on from this. This haunts her every single day. And I think that she came on this show almost like exposure therapy in a way for her to be able to take back the narrative of what had happened, be known for something else as a real housewives of New York housewife and really change the trajectory of her life moving forward. I agree with that, but she kind of lost me this week. Let's take a break and get into that. Afex's American Horror Story returns for an unrivaled 13th installment with the iconic

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17:27quiet even if you get off the meds. Their program is designed to make weight loss a smooth ride helping you understand what drives you so you can build better habits to not just lose weight but keep it off. Noom. Lose for keeps started at noom.com. Not all customers will clinically qualify for medications. Individual results may vary. Wow. What do you mean she lost you? I feel really bad for her. I like what you said that she's trying to change the narrative and I believe this story from her. Then at the same time I'm like, this was like 17 years ago because we clearly know her age and I know she has PTSD and trauma surrounding this and this literally changed the trajectory of her life. But then it like made me start questioning things. I'm like, is Ruben even real? There is a certain point where you have to move forward.

18:28I appreciate her sharing the story. But how much longer are we going to hear about this? Oh, this is her story and it sounds like she has a lot of trauma from different angles from the way that people treated her because she was this quote unquote home record from the way that her mom pushed her into this relationship and that's a whole other thing with the relationship with her mom in general. How she's known in the press and this is her life. She really thinks her life was ruined from this whole thing and that almost she was pushed into this and she wasn't able to make these decisions because she's a people pleaser. She still has trauma from her mom. She has trauma with the press. She has trauma every day in her life and I think she's really just is trying to move on and is hoping that this show will be a way for her to do so. I'll be curious how much more we hear about John Gosling. I just feel bad for her because I literally can't imagine something like that. The time in the era of the early Aughts, late Aughts of the way that the paparazzi was

19:34was relentless. I know she's given us bits and pieces but just like the way that celebs were treated and truthfully, we were all part of that, the people that are our age because I can remember being in the office, refreshing Perez Hilton, like 10 times a day to see if any news had come out. The paparazzi before social media, before people could tell their own story was crazy. I just think about Britney Spears speeding through PCH going to Malibu because she's trying to get away from the paparazzi. I just think about all of these things and the way that women especially were treated and it was so unfair but it was just part of the time. Oh, I completely agree with you and I'm not doubting that she doesn't have PTSD or anything like that. I completely believe her story but I'm just worried we're going to spend too much time on this. I'm like, are we never going to move forward? No, I hope we do but she gets a season to talk about it. Is that it? I think a few episodes. I don't know that we need to talk about the home wrecking aspect of it but I'm interested

20:36to watch her progress and see what she's doing and how she's handling situations and the way that she integrates herself into the group. It's a compelling story and I think it really is who she is. So one season and then we continue on and I think, like I said, and then she's a Rony housewife and she doesn't need to talk about that anymore. She's already a Rony housewife to me. I can't say that about other housewives. In my opinion, Gina and Emily aren't even housewives. Which is crazy. Which is crazy. BB players. Yeah. Name one quote. There are none. I like tacos. Yeah, but now Erica can claim that. Right. Have we figured that out yet? Okay. So someone did DM us a screenshot and from her wedding, she did have a set up of Erica's tacos. So it's food booth. But we still four episodes in are unclear on where the love affair of tacos has started and continued. But you know what? Somebody doesn't like. Jussle doesn't like Moxibal soup because she thinks it is meat.

21:40And just a quick Google would tell you what that is. I know. I know. And then we have this whole other fight that happens about the popcorn ceilings. Before we even get there, then we have the conversation about love story. Oh gosh. So much happened. So before we blow that up over there, Carol's like, I got a confront Jussle about love story. And I think Ding Bat is a great way to describe her because Carol's like, I really don't think she's trying to be rude. I think she just doesn't think. Yeah. But she doesn't want to say thoughtless cross that off from the desk of Carol Radzeville. Shut up. Shut up. Radzeville. She's not going to say idiot. She's not going to say insensitive. She's not going to say rude. She's going to call her a ding bat. I thought she handled this situation so well. She's like, that was my best friend. That was my family. That was my cousin. She's a real person. I don't want to talk about her aesthetic and don't ever talk to me about the Kennedy

22:44curse again. And the Kennedy curse, I can't believe she said that sitting right next to her, which I hope leads me to believe that Jussle really didn't know the connection to Carol because that's legitimately crazy to be like, hey, is your husband's family cursed? Also at one point, Jussle's like, oh, I haven't finished watching it. Like no spoilers. Yeah. She almost said that. You could tell she was like, oh, no, no, I haven't finished it quite yet. Please don't tell me the ending. To be fair, I also didn't finish it, but I do know how it ends. Yeah. Yeah. But also Carol's husband was Jackie O's side. Right? Yes, Radsville. Yes. Yes. So Lee Radsville was Jackie's sister and then Jackie Mary JFK and John, John, and yes. So they were cousins. Yes. And then when Jussle, I just like, I thought it was an aesthetic and like to be fair, Carol's dressed like her right now.

23:44Jussle, stop! But there's something about her being so daft and dumb and ding-bat that I'm like, you know, you just can't help it. I've turned on her in a way, but then she kind of wins me back with her dumb comments because you're like, you are a ding-bat. Right. Or is she playing dumb? I think it's a little bit of both. I agree with that. Ultimate Girl's Trip, I think she was playing dumb because I know you know these moments. You've watched this show. I just think it's so stupid for anybody to come join these franchises without understanding, especially if you're joining a reboot season. You need to know what came before you. Yeah. I think you play the Heather Gay side of that versus the Jussle side of that. Yeah. It's like recognize when Dorenda's wearing something. Now, you don't need to feed into Dorenda's delusions, but you do need to recognize that. Yeah. Oh, yes. That was so funny. Oh my gosh. I don't recognize it right away. So then we get into the popcorn ceiling up at all because everybody's got to have a confrontation

24:45here at some point. It seems like, and Daisy says to Jussle, you were making fun of my apartment. And Daisy has told everybody at the table outside of Jussle and Erica that they were making fun of her apartment. And then Aaron starts a chime and Jussle's like, stop it, Aaron. You shut the fuck up. Stop it. Starting yourself. I feel like we were all laughing. I'm like, not once did I see Daisy laugh. Right. And Daisy saying, we basically paid $300 a month and you see the sparkle and Carol's eye because she's a true New Yorker. She's been there since the 80s and so is that cheap. And she's like a rent controlled apartment. Wow. She has stoked for her. Right. Right. Then it was very weird because she starts to chime in and she's like, but Daisy, you do care. Like, I think this is really bothering you. And then Erica is like, we can fix the sealant. We can fix the sealant. I'm married to a billionaire.

25:45She gets super activated in this moment. I was like, okay, thank you, Erica. Finally, because size like, are you upset that we live differently? I'm like, where is this coming from? I'm sorry, Si. If somebody came into your apartment and started making fun of it, your home, your place where you spend your time with your family, are you not going to be a family? To be defensive. And Daisy's like, Si, you would never live in a rent controlled apartment. You'd be like, where's my sonna? Where are the amenities? And Aaron's like, well, I think she would. And I'm like, shut up, Aaron. Stop talking. You already dug yourself a hole. Stay over there. But Si's like, so sorry. I love my amenities. Yeah. It is expensive. And I'm busting my ass, but I'm happy. I can provide for my family. And this has nothing to do with rents, stabilize popcorn ceiling apartment. What? I know. I'm like, what are you guys really fighting about? Something very strange is happening. And it's not about popcorn ceilings, guys.

26:47I have to think that they know their secrets of the others. Whatever Daisy's doing behind Eugene's back, maybe that's why she's telling us she goes on Raya because there's more to the story. Or I don't know, maybe she's having an affair with Dale. They spend more time together than she does with Eugene. I don't know. But I know is whatever is going on. And then Daisy knows the details about David. Yeah. I mean, and then they come back together and are like, like, I see you three to four times a week now. We live 10 blocks from each other. Why are we fighting like this? I'm like, Si, you started it. What do you mean? You're the one who snapped. Like, this is crazy. Also, she's been 25k a month. I know. And it felt like a situation where Daisy's like, well, you're living beyond your means. You're not going to be able to sustain that lifestyle. It's like Daisy's like, I'm just making sure you're okay. You're spending so much more money. And look, treat yourself. But also at the same time, if you're spending 25k a month, what kind of income are you bringing?

27:48And if you can afford that, that's amazing. But like 25k a month, well, that's probably like Erica's third home. Right. That feels like a lot of money. That's 300k a year. And it's what Sutton gets a month from her ex-husband. Wow. When you put it like that. Yeah. But inking about those things, like 25k is a lot. I mean, that's insane. That's insane. And you're lighting that on fire. You never get the return. Si must feel insecure about that for the way that she's coming at Daisy about it. Where I'm like, Si, I think something's going on. And to be fair, in the next episode preview, she tells us stuff is going on because obviously I think it has come out that they file for a divorce between this episode and when we go to mosquito island. Right. Which Erica invites us to at the table because she's like, hey, is everybody feeling good about themselves ding, ding, ding, you want to come to my private island? Yes. Yeah, I do. I do. And Jossel's like, I want, it's great. Like, Jossel, great rent to get.

28:50Of course you got there. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to come right back. The ocean delights us. Some marvel at the colorful world below the surface. The ocean feeds us. Others find nourishment in its bounty. The ocean teaches us how our everyday choices impact even the deepest places. The ocean moves us. Whether we're riding a wave or so can in its breathtaking beauty. Ocean connects us. Find your connection at monoraybeacquarium.org slash connects. This episode is sponsored by Zockdock. Have you been putting off a doctor's appointment or need a dentist and you don't know where to start? We've definitely been there and that's why we use Zockdock. Actually, over the holidays, Michael had a dental emergency and seemingly every office was closed. But we hopped on to Zockdock, found an in-network dentist, had great reviews.

29:52So real time appointments available, which was key. It was on New Year's Day and booked in appointment and just minutes. It took so much of the stress out of the already stressful situation. Zockdock makes it easy to search and compare over 250,000 local in-network providers across more than 200 specialties. So you can find the right doctor or dentist and book instantly. Speaking of your health, just got easier. Download the Zockdock app today and book that appointment on your to-do list. That's ZOC-DOC-Zockdock. If you're looking for something predictable and low friction over the long term, public markets may be a suitable option. But the moment you want different investment characteristics, it may be time to consider the private markets. See how your wealth can work smarter at creativeplaining.com slash access. Using weight can feel like a roller coaster, full of ups, downs, and being thrown for loops, like when someone brings donuts into the office, or your kids' dino nuggets start

30:53giving you that look again. That's why there's noom. They combine GLP ones to quiet the food noise, with healthy habits that help you keep it quiet, even if you get off the meds. Their program is designed to make weight loss a smooth ride, helping you understand what drives you. So you can build better habits to not just lose weight, but keep it off. Noom. Lose for keeps. Get started at noom.com. Not all customers will clinically qualify for medications. Individual results may vary. Okay, let's talk about Zae and her aunt Sophia. She has just done such a 180 compared to the previous two seasons. And clearly, it made me think she's like, I have to make this job work because I need the money. I need $25,000 a month to pay my rent. So I am putting it all out on the line right now. Also, she's not protecting David anymore. She wants the divorce. But to come to find out about that birthday dinner, and she looks on her credit card, and

31:57she's like, I was paying for it. That's when I knew I am done with this guy. Not only that, they get intimate that night, and she's like, oh my god, we're really saving this to find that out. Ew. And then the story about the mom was so upsetting. It was so sad. And I really feel like this was the first time her aunt Sophia heard about it. Basically, her and David and the kids, they go on vacation, her mother's living with her at the time, and they come back home and the house is just a complete mess. She's fully in her addiction. And David's just like, she can't stay here anymore. And I think they maybe make the decision together. I don't know. And then three months later, she passes, and she just has like tremendous guilt from this moment. And David never really even talked to her about it. I'm like, oh my god, this is just so, so upsetting. Yeah, I felt really bad for her when they both started to break down.

32:57I feel like when Sy is being herself, like in this moment, her conversation, she had episode one with Jessal where she was talking about what was going on. What's the side I like? I think she can be vulnerable. I'm really enjoying her at the Passover where she went, wherever she went with Daisy. It was like that feels like we're trying something when her, Jessal and Erin got into it at the Lunar New Year party. It was like, I feel like we're trying to start drama here. And I think just being yourself and sharing your story goes so much further because it doesn't feel like it's being put upon. It takes a lot on these shows to be like, so I was faking it for two years. Like to admit that. Yes. Yes. And I like that she's done that. She kind of had to to explain all these stories that are really going on. And I thought it was really interesting. She's like, David, he likes this whole idea of being a husband and having a family. And he really likes the lifestyle that she is providing. Yeah. Where is he now?

33:58No idea. So we get to Jessal and pop it because Jessal had a stylist come over and she's got all of this stuff and she has to drop it off a donation. Where do you do that? And I thought, Jessal, what a great way to collab with the real real. Also Jessal, you pretend like you don't know how to get closer to donation. That's too much for me. I know. And then she's like, Povit, what's going on with work? And I felt like when he's like, well, I can't talk about it. She's like, well, why not? I'm like, because the cameras are there. Jessal, you just want to talk about it in front of the cameras. But Povit, bring back the food influencing. We are interested. You haven't posted in months. Because Jessal, the idea is not generating any revenue, Courtney. Okay, well, he needs to partner with these places. I become on. I know. I really like Povit. And word on the street is that they lived in Texas and they basically moved to New York to be a part of the show. I'm rooting for Povit. That's all I'm just rooting for him.

34:58You want to be his wingman to that wingman? I think he's a good guy. Yeah. Let's go into Queer Bird watching with Haley and her mom. How many Queer Birds did they find? They did spot an eagle. When they show on the camera, they edit to look like they're looking through the binoculars. I said, the editors are having fun, guys. I know. Also something about her mom being named Lauren. That doesn't feel like a name from someone of that era. Does that make sense? That's like our era. Yes. I was like, a Lauren in her 60s or 70s. I don't want to guess her mouth age. Don't guess, Mary. Just know that it could be older than 39. Right. Right. I think we could safely say her mother is older than Haley. Yes. It was just shocking her name was Lauren. That was all, okay? Yeah. I always say, I don't really know any like older courtes.

35:59Yeah. I completely agree with you. My name could be anyone, anyone. Ageless. It really is. Classic. The Virgin Mary. Wow. You're right. Okay. But they're talking about therapy and her mom does not want to accept any responsibility of what has happened. But she will help Haley. But she's not going to say that she was a part of anything. Her mom was so different on the phone confessional compared to on camera. Yeah. She's trying to perform a little bit for the cameras. And she's like, yeah, we just got to like move forward, move past you. We got to get through this. Because she's like, we are not going to talk about this anymore on camera. When she was talking about her mom, she was like, I can't say something about this situation without her also commenting how it affected her. Haley's like, I couldn't even go to Dwayne Reed to buy tampons because popper ought to

36:59would catch me there. Oh my God. One time I was in an airport bathroom and someone was like, are you luring glass? And I said, no, it's not me. And Haley's like, it happened to me. It was orchestrated by her. Haley wants to please her mom. She's a people pleaser. They are best friends. They probably grew up more like sisters than they did mom and daughter. Maybe they're closer to age than we think. Haley's mom seems like someone that they would go out and someone would be like, oh my God, are you guys sisters? She's been, yes. Haley, this happens to us all the time. She's clearly living bicariously through it with Haley. Yes, 100%. And even when Haley's like trying to talk to her about the therapist and she's like, yeah, I really like her. She fills my Xanax prescription. And then she also says, my heart breaks for you because she's trying to get to her mom of like something traumatic happened to me. You by proxy. But this was about me because of you. It is kind of weird. What mom would push their daughter to go be with someone who has eight kids?

38:02That is famous. That is embroiled in this relationship. Have you guys watched John and Kate plus eight? I don't know how many people did, but like that family was never happy from episode one. Right, right. Right. That's why I was on TLC. No, I definitely feel bad for Haley. Let's turn the page and go to this Martha and Daisy meeting because a little boy walks by Martha with his mother and she said, she literally dog calls the child, thinking it's a girl. Then once she finds out that the kid's name is David, she calls him Stephen. To me, that's how you like can't turn on a horse. It's a. And I was like, okay, that's pretty weird. But also she rides horses. And then it was the misgendering and the publicist is like, okay, we will talk about that later. I thought that was Martha's sister. I was like, do they go to the same dermatologist that Aaron and Jess will go to and Daisy? Probably. This to me also felt like such a set up scene.

39:02I would love to know if Daisy is with an agency that Martha goes through or if she does Martha personally, who is handling her money here. I'd be so curious. Like is Daisy getting a salary from Martha? How many days a month does she have to work? It seems like she's at her backing call and basically follows her around the world. And she's like, no, I've done this for 17 years. At this point if I want to go on a girl strip, I'm going to go on a girl strip. It's so weird when you work with someone so superior because you're inundated with their lifestyle. So you think you should have this lifestyle and you see the lifestyle all the time and you're a part of their lifestyle, but yet you can't afford it. So when I worked in PR and yes, this was like many moons ago, okay, when we would have our clients go do let's say like a press junk it, okay, we would still have to book hair and makeup. We would book their people, but we would go through their agency. So like I would go talk to the hair makeup agency and be like, I need to get a veil for

40:05X, Y and Z. So when so requested them, but I just want to make sure that we're booking it through you. So they were besties. We were still going through the agency to do it because that person was the hair of makeup person. They weren't the money person. So that's why I'm just curious because it also has been 17 years. So I don't know if she's still paying someone when she just marth those personal, the lamb team thing has completely changed too. Everyone has to be so hair and makeup ready to be on TV and everything is more videoed and all of that kind of stuff. So it feels like you have to have these people all the time now. Yeah, which I wish they didn't. So Daisy says she's like so sorry parking was horrendous and Martha's like, oh, are you driving yourself still? I feel like she's kind of a Luan voice to me. She's like, how many tickets have you gotten? You really have to decipher if it's better to have the driver or get the tickets watch cheaper. I honestly need to know her income because she's clearly chasing a lifestyle.

41:07She can't afford and then we know about the popcorn ceiling. So but the popcorn's the lens to me. I'm like, okay, here's my thing. If I'm in a rent stabilized apartment and I'm renting, there are a few things that I want to do to change things. I'm not going to pay to fix somebody else's place. I might change paint or add something here and there, but I don't know what the price of removing popcorn ceilings is and I don't know that I want to spend that money. It really doesn't affect me that much. Right. Clearly the landlord isn't going to do shit to the apartment because they want them to leave. So at that point, you need to decide how much money am I going to invest in this place. I guess it matters how much that really is. It feels like it's a smaller unit. I think though that she makes a lot of money with Martha, I think her sacrifice is a work life balance when they were going over that calendar, being like the entire month of May and then Martha being like, I'm upset because you're not available. There is such a power imbalance there. And I wonder too because I think they're playing it up a little bit about what Daisy does

42:08and doesn't do. I do not doubt though that when Martha goes somewhere, she takes Daisy to Dubai. If Quinton was out of school, I don't doubt that she would buy a ticket for him and he could come along. Or Eugene has gone on these trips. I would be curious. I feel like Martha is weirdly cheap. Yeah, I could see that too because she was not going to reach out for two tickets for FIFA again. It's called the World Cup. And that's how you know Martha is not a real soccer fan or football if you're international. Okay. She was, oh, I'm going to that. You should ask your friend Erica because her husband gave him to me and he has to take clients. Like, aren't you guys business partners? You're not as client. He's just rich. Right now Martha is doing a GLP one commercial. Is that what it is? Yeah, it's like a pill. I couldn't figure out what she was doing because I don't think it's made clear what is the actual product. I think it's a GLP one pill.

43:10Okay. But like that woman is so rich. That's why I question how much Daisy's salary is. No where your brother has buttered. When she's like, I went back to work five days after my C section. I'm like, that is not an accomplishment. I'm sorry. That's crazy. Because she was like at her backing call. I know. And I don't doubt because I'm sure Martha said, well, I need you. Okay. I don't know what the voice is. I think these situations too. It's like, if you're not doing it, they'll find someone else to do it and they might like that person better. So you get dropped. So you basically are out there backing call all the time because you want to sustain that job. So it is what it is. I get that. But I also think that Daisy does have money. She just paid 11K for summer camp. Daisy has money, but I think Daisy's just, she doesn't have fuck you money. Which is like what Martha has. So when they go somewhere, if they're going to travel just the three of them as a family, they're not going first class because Martha's not paying for it and they have to pay for it.

44:11And financially, we're not going to spend. I'm sure Eugene is like, we are not spending $10,000 a seat for first class. You're going to love 32C. And you know what? Maybe you can upgrade to 17C if you're lucky. If you're lucky. Yeah. Martha's a monster. I know. It's not shedding her to good light. But let's get her on watch on Have a Live with Daisy. Yeah. Like I want to watch Martha because it's like through the looking glass. Right. But she's a monster. Okay. Let's talk about this gala that Erica can't attend because her friend Ann invited her to the premiere of Devil Wars Prada on Broadway. Obsessed with how rich she is. I just am in love with it. It's amazing. And it really hasn't gone to her head. Clearly she rents her clothes. Billionaires. They're just like us. I think Carol is pissed that Erica can't come though because she's not going to bid on anything. And everybody at that table was not going to bid at the auction. And she was like, well, if Erica comes, I could get an easy 10k out of her. And right. Haley's like, Erin, I'm going to put up your paddle for 5k.

45:13That's my payback. I think it was even 10k. I think the right. Something I love is these small little crossovers because Jennifer Tilly appears at this gala with them. And Haley wants to play her boobs like bandjos. And I just thought Jennifer Tilly has no idea who Haley is. And so I'm sure Carol's like, oh, yeah, I'm a friend of the season. And this is Haley. She's a new housewife. And so the Bravo Cinematic Universe, their meeting with me. Haley is she high? Obviously. I mean, she's calling it banjos and not bongos. The only person who plays bongos is Luan. Honestly, when they said it, I was like, this is the second time this week. I will get to say bongos. That doesn't happen every week, guys. If I had a nickel for every time, I'd have two nickels. Aaron is trying to have this confrontation with Haley. She's like, Haley, what gives? You come up and you don't say hi to me. He's like, well, I don't know, Aaron. Maybe I don't like you for the words that you said at the satire.

46:16What gives? Because Aaron's trying to make it not a big deal. That's what we do. We like ping pong. Emily and Gina taught me that. The right, right. I do feel like Haley was trying to move forward in this moment. It was very distracting though. When that woman came over from a different table and was like, it is very rude. This is for children. I was like, oh my God, I would have shrunk. I would have gone underneath the table. I would have probably gone to the bathroom in an AK at the bar. Yeah, I'd never come back. Never. Because also it's like, nobody at that table is bidding for anything. Okay. Not a table. She invited who she invited. Nobody had to pay for a seat, maybe Bravo paid for their table so that they could film there. But it's so embarrassing that they're talking so rudely about where is the class ladies. They are missing it. I enjoyed watching it though. I don't even know what they were talking about though, because they were just saying the same thing over and over and over again.

47:17Well, Aaron's like, I didn't sleep. Maybe I went a little bit too hard. He was like, this was actually really sad. She said, it almost took my life, but I do feel like we can earn each other's trust back. And then they land with Erin saying, bend over Hailey. She goes, I will. Don't tempt me with a good time. Okay, rank the women so far this season. Okay, number one for me is Hailey Glassman. Number two is Daisy. So those are the top two and then I'm going to drop a little bit. Number three is going to be a tie. So three, four, I guess. Erica and Jessel, then I'm going to go Carol, then I'm going to go side, then I'm going to go Erin. Okay, mine are pretty similar. I kind of have a lot of ties. Tied for first. Okay, Daisy and Hailey. I would like to take the number two spot.

48:20Even though that's wrong, according to Courtney. As, say, then this is hard. This is really hard at the bottom is Erin. But then I think I have Erica, because I like to see that fuck you money. And then Jessel and Carol are tied at the end. I think that totally works. That middle piece minus Erin at the very end could be switched in any way. She was definitely Hailey and Daisy at the top and Erin at the bottom. We are right about something here. Yeah. We see each other. We do, we do, we do. I'm excited to go to Mosquito Island next week. Is this where they go and they talk shit about the property that we saw on the trailer for the season? It better not for it can be. I think it is, right? What? No. I think that this is, and Erin's going to get herself in trouble again. Well, can't wait to watch it. I love this season. It's been great so far. Also, I kind of want to rank the house I've on right now.

49:22Go ahead. Okay. Number one, SLC. Two, New York. Three, ultimate girls trip. Four, Orange County. For you? I am enjoying all of them. When the day comes, I'm excited to watch all of them. New York has been most improved if we're going to give superlatives. Oh, I like that. Yeah. O.C. is so bad. It's good. Ultimate girlship is most nostalgic, and then SLC is raining supreme. I love this. So yeah, we are in a good time of content, and then, Tomek comes back next weekend. Right. And we have dancing with the stars. Oh, God. Yacht rock. Okay, well, we better go because we got to go watch. All right. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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