TNA Reaction: Order 4 Ends as Syx Begins

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1:00kicking things off with the implosion of Order 4. This is the Busted Open Podcast. I'm looking at the calendar right now, and I swear this year has gone by so ridiculously fast. We're already getting ready for Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, what the hell? That's in the regular life, right? Regular world. But in the wrestling world, we are just 10 days away from Bound for Glory, which is TNA wrestling's biggest event of the year. 10 days. I'm sorry, but that is creeping me the hell out. That I'm sitting here already pretty much getting ready to, that we're all here, getting ready to wrap up this year. We only got a couple more months to the end of the year, but the fact that like that's it, like Bound for Glory's in 10 days, it just feels super weird. I feel like I was just here a month ago being like,

2:01we're on the road to Bound for Glory. We're a couple of weeks away, and we blinked, and now it's 10 days away. Oh my God. And then of course, we still got on the WB side, we got money in the bank incoming. So there's going to be a lot within the next couple of weeks here for the month of October. So all that to say is happy October, everybody. And let's go ahead and get dive into TNA wrestling for today. So there's actually, there's a couple of things that I'm excited to talk about for today. And I want to kick things off with Order 4. I feel like we got to start right there because surprisingly, this went from, I feel like Order 4 was something that we've been seeing obviously for months now, for a long time on TNA. They've done so much. And for a second, I almost gave up on the Order 4. For whatever reason, I almost gave up on Order 4. But I feel like in the last month or so, which is crazy,

3:03because Mustafa Ali wasn't even there the whole time, I suddenly feel like we have regenerated some more interest in this whole entire story because now we're seeing the entire group. It is officially unraveled. It is blown up, someone threw a stick of dynamite in the Order 4. And it's done, baby, it's done. By the end of the night, you had all four guys. Bat stage in each of their little corners. And we're officially heading to a four-way match for the TNA International Championship with Mustafa Ali, Jason Hodge, John Skyler, and Special Agent Zero. Now some of you guys are probably sitting here like, what the hell? What do you mean Denise? What the hell even happened? Well, my friend Special Agent Zero turned on Mustafa Ali at the Order of Tasha Steele. Now mind you, Mustafa Ali and Jason Hodge had already been a feud, okay?

4:04We saw that match at lockdown. It was really awesome. I was super pissed that Jason Hodge lost the title back to freaking Mustafa Ali, which is funny because I was just thinking to myself how Mustafa Ali has become a really great heal because you really want him to lose all the time and he doesn't lose. So he already had that story with Jason Hodge, the part where he's being creepy with his wife, being creepy with his daughter, and then take the title off of Jason Hodge after Jason Hodge had taken it away from Mustafa Ali for like a small second, okay? Then we had John Skyler. So John Skyler's portion in all of this is that he now has a romantic fling going on with Mila Moore and Mila and him, I guess because they are now a couple because of that, that ended up basically tearing them apart from Order 4 because Mustafa Ali was being incredibly rude to Mila Moore and John Skyler stood up to defend Mila Moore.

5:06Mila Moore loved that. And so now she's all sprung on John Skyler and they are now an item. So that's the John Skyler portion. Then there is special, what do I keep saying, special, a special agent zero, special agent zero. I swear I can get my words out, guys. That part definitely kind of surprised me today. I don't think I wasn't expecting for him to turn on Mustafa Ali because at that point I started thinking, well, who else is going to be left of Order 4 if agent zero goes and leaves the group? So I guess in my mind I didn't think it was going to happen. But then when we saw him taking orders that weren't necessarily coming from Mustafa Ali, I think at that point you started to think, oh shoot, something here is going down. So we actually have the audio of Order 4 imploding. Let's go ahead and roll it.

6:09Let's roll it. No, no, no, no. Where is Zero does it, Tasha Steele? Any day on the Order of Tasha Steele? Come on, come on, come on. Come on, come on, come on. Come on, come on, come on. Come on, come on, come on. Come on, come on, come on, come on. Tasha Steele's pulling some strings behind the scenes. Come here a little more. Go on to the end of Todd Skyler. It is absolute battle amount here. Absolute chaos, I'm a... I'm going to get her, I'm so... What?! Are you going to be kidding me? No, no, no, no, not this, not this. Oh my God, they got out of monster! After weeks of deception in disorder,

7:11the final nail has been trinity into the coffin of Order 4. We have a... I couldn't believe it when Tasha Steele's Ordered Agent Zero to also take out Mela Moore, and he did. So now this has completely blown up with the Order 4, and I'm loving it. I kind of just broke down right now all of the little storylines and what's actually happening with every person, and why every person is mad with the other person. But I gotta tell you, I'm very surprised that now that we're gonna be seeing Tasha Steele's with Agent Zero, and I'm excited about it. I feel like her managing Agent Zero is so... Like her managing Agent Zero is something totally different. Unexpected, it feels afresh. I'm a fan of what they're doing with Order 4. I feel like right now this is probably the best story that TNA has all and all as a whole. Andre, I'm curious if you're feeling the exact same way

8:13about all of this, and what you're liking or not liking about it. I feel weird that I have empathy for Mustafa Ali. That's the strangest part here. Because how many months has he been so freaking annoying always gets what he wants? He berates anybody around them, and there's like no... Like any type of redeeming quality that you can really give him. You can give him credit for establishing Order 4, making that look good, then building up three and even four talents on the roster. You give him credit for that. In terms of likeability, not as much. Now him getting pumbled, and everybody in that room getting pumbled. I feel for that. I am hooked once again on Order 4. You know, you're saying that you have some sort of like you have a little bit of sympathy there for Mustafa Ali. I get it. You know what? I get it. And you want to know why? Because whenever you watch, for example, like your favorite dramas, your favorite shows, you always have these characters that are dark, that are, you know,

9:15sometimes they're just not good, right? Like they have their flawed individuals, and there are times where even though they're flawed individuals, and they may make some bad decisions on the show, you still feel some sort of sympathy for them. It might be because either you relate to them somehow, or you just feel empathy for a lot of people, or maybe you just realize how that person ended up in that situation, and why they made the decisions that they made. For whatever reason, right? We don't always know. It's a case-by-case basis. With Mustafa Ali, I think it's, I don't know what it is about Mustafa. Maybe it's the fact that we're like, oh, he's such a good wrestler that we can like accept the fact that he's kind of a little bit of a jerk sometimes, or maybe you see his perspective. I don't know. Because if we put the script on that, maybe instead of looking at it as, why am I feeling this way for Mustafa? Is why am I feeling this way because of what? Special Agent Zero did. Like what patient zero that wait, sorry.

10:15Special Agent Zero did. I think we should just stick to calling him Agent Zero. Yeah. All right. Agent Zero. Every day how ferocious he was. And like the no-craps given attitude he had there. And just executed order 66 perfectly there. Like looked at Tasha. She gave him the nod and just went for it. There's something different. Tasha she gave him the nod and just went for it. There's something just cold about it. Everyone's left out wiped out my meal as out to. It was just cold. And I think that's where the sympathy points are like going in for Mustafa. But I still am feeling weird about it. It's like there's different slices to this. That's what it is. Because when you break up the part of Maint Mustafa and Jason Hatch, you're on Jason Hatch's side, right? Of course. When you, uh, the stuff with Mustafa Ali and John Skyler, I would say we're leaning more towards John Skyler. Then when it's Mustafa Ali and Agent Zero,

11:15then you're like, oh, okay, I'm kind of leaning towards Mustafa Ali. So I feel like when you separate it, when you cut it up like that, you kind of side with different people in this storyline, depending on who's beef with who. That makes so much sense. Yeah. So if you're going to like pair them up and see who you want, then who you're going to emotionally relate to, then yeah, that is crystal clear. Because special agent zero, I don't, he might be the goon through of TNA. I could see that. He's on track for it. Yeah, I mean, look, he kind of goes out there and he doesn't. I can't, he's got no expression to read. I cannot tell you anything about Agent Zero in terms of. That's what's scary. Like, what's he all about? I cannot tell you what this man's favorite color is. I cannot tell you anything about him. Other than he goes out there, he gives you a very like stoic look. He does whatever he's told. And he just does it.

12:15And he's like scary. And there's nothing else. Like I have no other information to give about Agent Zero. And I think for that reason, when we ever we see him do bad things, we cut him off. We're like, nope, don't want none of that. Is he kind of like. I'm trying to look back. Maybe like Glucha Underground days. Remember the monster Matanza coming out with the Dario Cueto, where for a while, we're not going to know anything about it, except this pure force of like viciousness and ferocity. Then maybe down the line. We'll get to see what the what the weakness is and what are the key things that baby faces can do to take him down. Is that what we're going to hopefully see here with. Maybe I'm getting a current big cast and WWE vibes. Ooh, maybe it's also because they look alike. Yeah, but the big question mark. They do have that similar kind of a. I guess presence is what it is. They're very similar.

13:15I will beat you up or that. Yeah, that and the only thing that's the difference between big cast and him is just the Tim's. Yeah, that's it. But I'm liking this though. So looking at the bound for glory card though. And looking at the story and everything that we've seen. I'm sorry, but I'm okay. I'm I'm I'm conflicted here because I honestly want to see Jason Hodge get back his international championship. I don't feel like he had enough of a run with this. But if I'm looking at this and I'm thinking what would TNA want, I think TNA is going to go with agent zero. I think they're going to have agent zero win so that he could start to become a presence on this show. Because now it's going to be all about him and this focal light no longer is he going to be the the muscle of the order four. Now the attention is on him. And he still has Tasha steals two.

14:15That's the important piece that she's the one that's going to stitch it all together. She's the one that's going to tell his story. And even with order four being gone, Tasha still has power of some sort. Yeah, so oh man, this story is shaping up to be a fun one. And I'm glad that it is because I'm genuinely looking forward to it. But hey, can we get into something that is polar opposite up next? Because I'm very curious your thoughts on this one. Okay, so. This versus AJ Francis. Now a lot of you guys, if you haven't been watching TNA or maybe you just follow on social media clips or whatever, one of the things that they've recently gotten is a sponsorship with dude wipes. And I feel like lately more than ever we're talking about sponsorships in pro wrestling more than ever because they are finding a bunch of creative ways to implement whatever it is that their sponsor is. Right before back in the day we get those cute little commercials during the breaks and that was it.

15:19We'd get a shout out. Now we're seeing ads on the canvas. We're seeing ads on the wrestlers. We're seeing ads on tables. I mean, for example, on the WB side, we have a Joe Hendry Funko pop thing that is definitely for Funko pop. Whatever, right? So there's different things on the TNA side though. They have do's. Now, no, I'm not talking about do's and domino. Okay. No, we are talking about do's. As in dookie. We've got we got dude wipes has a mascot and his name is do's and he's just a little dude wipes mascot. That's all he is. And he had a run in in this match, by the way. So he had been out there dancing doing his little thing and during the end of getting involved in the match with moose and AJ Francis. And there was a moment where moose was putting all of the dude wipes on the table. And then I thought like someone was going to go through that table.

16:20I was unsure what was going to happen. Then do skits in the ring. And we end up seeing moose hit AJ with a toilet lid and moose spears AJ and he wins. So like basically like AJ Francis and do's were getting into it in the ring. So I don't even know. I'm going to be honest with you. Like I laughed at how silly this was. I laughed. I was like, I can't believe I'm watching this. That was my reaction. It was more so of like, how did I get here? Why am I watching this? But they had fun with it. I get what it was on any other show. I'm going to be a bit atrocious on just a regular old Thursday night of TNA impact. Whatever. I want to make the case here of saying that this dude white spot wasn't that bad. Can I tell you something? I preferred this over the gingerbread man stuff. See now. Could I play this game with you?

17:20Right. We're entering a rabbit hole here. Now let's play which is cringe here. It's a dude wife's guy or Jinji. Jinji. I'm sorry. And I know that I know no one is going to agree with me by the way. Maybe besides you. That's it. Now I still think dude wife's guy is still someone cringy or than Jinji because he gave a go with. Here's the thing though. Here's the thing though. Jinji happened. When was that like during the summer? It wasn't even Christmas time. Okay. So there was really no reason for a gingerbread storyline. It was even Christmas. How dare you? Have you not heard of Christmas in July? Okay. I'm not that person. I'm more of a spooky girl. I'm not the person that's like, let's have Christmas in frickin July. No, let's hold up and wait till December. Okay. That's me. Anyways. But so that's my argument on that side of things. At least T&A is getting paid a little extra money for a dude wife to be out there and shouting out, do's. At least they're getting paid extra for that. I think this is one of the better collaboration sponsorship things that we've seen because let

18:25me roll out some of the cringiest stuff that we've seen as of late and it's going to go from better to worse, right? So rat WrestleMania KSI comes out in a prime costume. Then he goes arf arf arf and then gets RKO. I erased that for my memory. I have no recollection of it. I erased it. It was the lead. It completely, but it did happen. And then of course the Slim Jim tables, which every single time that it comes out, we have an eye roll, we have a let's snap into a Slim Jim here. Why can't it be Kit Kat? Like there's those comments out there. Then we go further back to a mountain dew pitch black match. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was there for that. Yeah, and that one was a little bit tough to digest and we could even go as far as zombies for that collab that they did for Army of the dead. And they had all the zombies ringside at match with this. There's a lot of sponsorships where we were like great product, great movie, great thing,

19:25but just the way it was done didn't work to our wrestling. Duce, you know what? I give him credit. That actually fit in. Maybe because it's toilet humor and toilet humor is a little bit funnier than other kinds of humor. And they incorporated the toilet seed into the match. There was like a little bit of that bathroom humor just being like, you know, peppered in there that there's a theme that comes around and then you get Duce TNA superstar. What hell did they be? Oh, man. Oh, man. So I guess the DNA Hall Famer right there. So I guess all in all, it wasn't the worst when it comes to really incorporating a product advertising within the actual matches. One of the most creative ways to incorporate it in the match. Because every single one we ever run into the product, it's something that is like just tangential. This one played an active role. Sure. I'm not mad with it. He did have good dance moves.

20:25Did you see him earlier? He was like putting out his leg and wiggling it all around doing the hoki pokey. Yeah, dude, wife's got moves. That's crazy, man. Ayo, that's funny as hell. Alrighty. So we got a couple more items that I do want to go ahead and dive into. How about we talk about Leon Slater and Joe Alonzo? Now I want to say that there's not that much to say other than Joe Alonzo is out there talking his smack and Leon basically finished him off like within 30 seconds. I don't even know how long this match was. I thought this was hilarious because dude went out there ran his mouth. Leon Slater kicks him in the mouth. What did he do? Like a 630. I don't even know. A bunch of flips. Leon Slater took him out. And that's how fast it was. Like that was literally it. I recapped the whole match right there. And I could have fun with this though. Like I Joe Alonzo, you and I have talked about him briefly, but Joe Alonzo is so good

21:30at pissing you off. And I like to get pissed off when Joe Alonzo is out there. Piss me off more. But I like to see that there's a payoff to with Leon Slater being like, bruh, I'm gonna shut this guy up in like two seconds. It's the way he comes back to Joe Alonzo that just makes me want to really subscribe to what the hell he is doing because he knows how to work a crowd really well. And line of the night, right? The crowd is chanting boring, boring at him. And he's just calmly and quickly, grace and wall or style too. Like in that same like execution, was like, this is a time spot. I could I have like so much time here. I'm not leaving. Like just putting it out there, breaking the fourth wall just for that slight second. Pop me. I think the promo was longer than the match for sure. Yeah. The promo was four minutes. It was he said he had a time. It was four minutes. Yeah, he actually aided up real nice. Went for every lowest dangling fruit he can grab.

22:32Wow. Wow. Anyway, so that's someone at least keeping I out on in terms of what we've got going on with that. But also, we got a few more items I want to get into. Avery Styles had a little training video with Frankie Cazarian. And I want to go ahead and roll that audio so that you guys listen to it instead of me recapping it. Avery, this is a very important match. It's an important match for you. It's an important match for TNA. I know how to win this match because I've done it twice. And we're going to be in here. And we're going to be working every day until bound for glory. We're going to make sure that it's going to be either you or me as the last man standing in that match. Avery, who's your friend in this match? Good. Pressure of the joint. Just like that. Yeah. Right. That's a fun call. That's it. Don't ever, ever turn your back on anybody. Especially me. Guys like me, guys like you're bad. We didn't get to where we are by talking.

23:34We let our actions speak for us. And that's the exact method you have to take. You got the whole world watching you. You're in a fish tank. Everybody's looking. Everybody's wondering what Avery Styles is going to do. How for glory is your chance to show the world who you are? Hey, Frankie Cazarian wasn't lying in this man. Everything that he said is true. He is essentially in a tank. And people are going to be watching him. And it's scary, right? Because his dad was, you know, exactly. His dad is phenomenal, right? His dad is what he is. And whenever you're going out there and you're trying to follow up with your dad, I mean, obviously Avery Styles, like from the clips that I've seen, looked really fun. All, but we're going to see. We start seeing him in matches and hit, for example, like if you see any other person that's just getting started, sure, you're going to be criticizing and critiquing that person and seeing if they're good or not, but it's definitely going to be a much stronger, magnifying glass on Avery Styles.

24:36Everyone's going to be like, nope, that part you didn't do it like his dad or, oh, that party totally did like his dad. And then there's people that are like, he needs to stop being like his dad. Yeah, believe it or not, I've seen those comments already on Twitter. So all in all, there's no satisfying people on social media, for sure. But at the end of the day, I'm excited for Avery Styles. But yes, everything I Franky Kazarian said in that video, Andre is true. I'm smelling something fishy here. The way that this dynamic goes. It's been smelling. It's been smelling. I am smelling Sensei Kreece from the karate kid one all the way to cross, so crossing over to Kobrakai season one where the mentor ranks up an unlimited amount of pressure on poor Johnny Lawrence. And now when it's time to shine, he's going to strike. And Kaz is going to take advantage of Avery who's like swimming in the sea of pressure. And this is not going to look good one bit. No, no, it's not.

25:37I can't wait for it. I'm so excited. It's going to be fun. So that's, of course, for the car, your shot gauntlet. And right now, there's only been a couple of people that have been announced for it. And that obviously includes Avery Styles and Franky Kazarian. So let's see how that all plays out. But either way, I'm excited for what this continues to end up, what it will end up becoming because it's something that we're going to be excited about. Coming up next, we continue breaking down TNA Wrestling. Let's talk about what went down with Rosemary. Wrestling Fans, your morning bell rings with bust and open every day, 9 a.m. Eastern. Seven million Californians depend on community health clinics for their care. But Proposition 44 cuts billions from clinics. Under 44, hundreds of clinics will close and health services will be eliminated. That's why Prop 44 is opposed by nurses, doctors, and patients. No, on the clinic shutdown proposition. No, on 44, ad paid for by no on Prop 44.

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30:41a second and shout out Rosemary now. Of course Rosemary has been in TNA for a very long time and she has been one of the longer, longer-series in wrestling. A lot of darker personas tend to die out. They don't go that long. Rosemary has gone a long time. What I'm going to say is really nothing new other than I just want to say Rosemary is so freaking good at what she does when she was out there in that straight jacket yelling and saying, the snakes in the grass, the snakes in the grass. She's yelling and all of this I was just in awe. I really believed in this moment. Oh my God, Rosemary is locked up in some sort of mental institution and she has gone to the... She is gone. This woman is mine, just somewhere else because that is how believable Rosemary is. That was really the biggest thing I wanted to say.

31:42But when she said snakes in the grass, what do you think that meant? I'm hoping that it's got foreshadowing of sorts. That is she knows something that people are not going to believe her and anytime she will say it, it's going to be mad cryptic. I can't put a finger who just yet and exactly what the direction is but it's a really good note of foreshadowing. I think I know. I had to double check just to make sure that I was in crazy. Snake in the grass, this is the official definition, is basically a deceitful, treacherous person who pretends to be your friend or harmless while secretly plotting to betray or harm you. That clearly has to mean Kiara Hogan, right? If you looked at the... You go back and you look at that video, she kind of had like what the WTF kind of reaction

32:42when she was watching Rosemary and at first I thought that reaction was mainly because she was going cuckoo crazy. But then when she started saying snake in the grass, it made me wonder if it's... If it's she's trying to warn Ellie about Kiara. It could be. I like where you're going with this. It makes a whole lot of logical sense that Kiara might be that snake in the grass. I'm curious to see how Kiara covers her track still. Right, right. Because now how does she know how she onto her? Because they haven't given any sort of... At least not that I've caught on to. They haven't given any sort of indication that Kiara is not to be trusted. Not until right now. And there's a little bit of drama they got here. We've seen this in sitcom TVs all the time. New friend hanging out with old friend, kind of deal like your best friend. Out of nowhere, their old BFF just comes into the picture and they're like budding heads at each other so you want to see how the two other friends would interact.

33:43And in this case, Rosemary's already made her position known that there's a snake in the grass, but her being a stray jacket doesn't really help her case. Yeah, no, it doesn't. It's like the person that's actually telling the truth is looking crazy in this scenario, which we see happen quite often. You know that's my biggest fear, Andre? Being in a stray jacket or... No, my biggest fear is being accused of a crime. I did not commit and being locked up and I'm me going crazy and being like I didn't down it, you know, losing my mind, right? Because you're being framed for something and then like no one believes you because you're crazy. This oddly specific like it's laid out for a million times. They're literally booking my worst fear right now and impact. So is this like your Netflix stock? Is that what it's going to be all about? Yeah, it's going to be all about that. I was framed. Tell me that's not terrifying because okay, let's say you commit a crime, right? You commit a crime and you go to jail, you do your time, whatever, right?

34:46At least you, okay, you have to deal with your guilty conscience, which is terrible, but at least you know you and your actions got you in there. Can you imagine being in jail for something you did not do? That is so terrifying because then you're just sitting there like how am I going to prove my innocence? I think about that quite a bit. Have you like come up with alibis? Is that like part of your daily existence now? I mean, not really. You have like background. I'm not paranoid about it, Andre. It's just something that's crossed my mind. You never had like a random fear popping to your head. So I'm guessing this is the starting stages of your paranoia here in like stage one. Oh, no, I'm like already deep into stage four of my paranoia. Oh, so you've got the safety bunker now like when you get really far and you know where to go. Oh, man, that's crazy. I don't want to end up like Rosemary help. Busted Open has a new home. If you like what you heard on today's podcast, you can catch the full episode every morning

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