True Crime Documentary - For 36 Years, Her Killer Walked Free

0:00This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culture East. It's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. It's with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, OK, hold on. I got a new favorite food. That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try Cupid Mayon. Yeah, it's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it at the grocery store. And this mayo is different. Mm-hmm. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. Cupid only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really care about flavor use it, put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at John's Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing.

1:00Emma and her family never returned from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little. Meh. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visitgreenvillesc.com. It's fall in Jeep country, and during the drive into fall sales events, get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be contained. Like Jeep Wrangler, confidence built into every drive with the most awarded SUV ever. Jeep Grand Cherokee had freedom that can't be denied with the open air freedom and Jeep gladiator.

2:01After 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand. Get a great deal during the Jeep drive into fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand, Jeep and the Jeep Grill or Registered Trademarks of FCAUS LLC. In September 1984, 58 year old Mary McLaughlin was walking home after a night out at a local pub. Mary met her killer on that route, and we don't know how or why, but that killer ended up in Mary's home. The stranger was 22-year-old Graham McGill, a convicted sex offender who was on temporary release from prison. Once inside Mary's flat, McGill brutally murdered the popular grandmother. McGill overcame her quite easily, he had a lot of experience with her. She was a child. She had a lot of experience with her, and she had a lot of experience with her, and McGill overcame her quite easily,

3:04he beat her up, and this could affect my dark. Mary's body was discovered six days later, by which time her killer had seemingly vanished without a trace. We were looking for a perpetrator of a sexually motivated crime. There was no day about it, but we got nowhere. The case went cold for nearly four decades, until DNA evidence left behind at the scene would expose McGill. The probability of the DNA which was discovered was one and a billion. Graham McGill had finally been revealed as one of the world's most evil killers. It was Justice 37 Years in the making. In April 2021, 59-year-old Graham McGill was found guilty

4:06of the 1984 murder of Mary McKinley in a live video show which was one of the greatest testimonies of the murder of McGill and a girl. It was Justice 37 Years in the Making. In April 2021, 59-year-old Graham McGill was found guilty of Mary McLaughlin. It was a cold case that hadn't been covered for a number of years by any journalist in Scotland and in 2016. I decided to feature it in an unsold murder series I was running in the Daily Record. Mary's case hadn't been in the newspapers for quite a long time when I decided to have a look at it. Detective Ian Wishart worked on the original murder investigation in 1984. What I remember of Mary was that she was well-lighted in the area and she was an absolute character. She had 11 children. Anyone who knew her said she was a wonderful person.

5:09It was evidence collected at the crime scene by Ian and his team that would prove crucial 37 years down the line. Grandma Gill probably thought he got away with his murder. He felt that 30 years have gone by and nobody has come to arrest me. He lived a full life never being held liable for what crimes he had committed. It only proves that murders and very serious crimes are not forgotten. This killer's story begins in Scotland on the 30th of September 1961. We don't know very much about Graeme McGill's early life. There isn't a lot known about his past. We know that he's from the west of Scotland. But I do know that in later life he was charged with attempt to ravish or attempt to rake.

6:18In 1981 aged around 20, McGill was sentenced to six years in prison for the assault. The younger that men like this start to offend, the more likely it is that this offending is going to continue on and on into the future. Massage and he is a much bigger problem than people think it is. And starting at that young age is predictive that there are going to be big problems in the future. By September 1984, Graham McGill was in Edinburgh prison three years into his six-year sentence. 50 miles away in Partick, a suburb of Glasgow, 58-year-old Mary McLaughlin, a mother of 11 and grandmother of 26, was a popular member of the neighbourhood. Mary McLaughlin was a divorced woman. She lived in a flat alone. She was well known in our local community.

7:21She liked to go to the local pub where she played a game of dominoes, and then quite often she'd stop for chips on the way home. And she would talk to everybody, everybody knew her as we Mary. She was really quite a popular member of our community. One of Mary's 11 children is her daughter, Gina McGavin. I know from the area where she would go and do her socialising at night, there was a lot of people like her. She was well-light. She didn't have close friends, but she was well-light. She liked to have a little drink. She liked the company of people. I feel she didn't ever like being alone, and that was her wee oozing horriscape. Mary's need to be surrounded by people may have stemmed from her tough start in life. Mary had a very tragic upbringing. Her mother died when she was only five years old.

8:22And her dad was Merchant Seaman, so he was away quite a lot. So what he did was he left Mary in the charge of his two sisters, who weren't very kind to Mary. There was no affection, there was nobody that cared about her. So she was basically left just to her own devices, and quite frankly, if Cinderella was a real-life story, Mary fitted that bill. Mary's troubled upbringing may have been why she struggled when she had children of her own. My mum wasn't there. I was mostly brought up by my father. And I have vague memories of her coming and going in my life, having my first child. She wasn't there when I got married. She wasn't there at the crucial points in my life. I never understood why. The memories that I do have of her, she, to me, always seemed happy. Outworked. But in work, I always had that feeling.

9:23She wasn't happy. She was lonely. Although Gina and her mother had a challenging relationship, Mary was thriving in her role as a grandmother. The times that they did see their granny, the laughter, the laughter she made, they loved their fun. She was always making jokes. But I knew deep down that was all just a front for the sadness that she was feeling and the loneliness that she was really feeling. By September 1984, Mary and Gina's relationship showed signs of improvement after they cross paths at Gina's father's funeral. She explained a lot of things about her life and my dad, the life of her other relationship. I understood her more because I was married and I had children myself. So I understood where she was coming from and she opened up quite a bit. And we did arrange to meet, but it didn't happen because she was murdered.

10:23That just was cut short. Just a few weeks after Gina's dad's funeral in early October 1984, Mary McLaughlin was found murdered in her party home. Mary's body lay in her flat for six days before she was discovered. So it's suspected through forensic examination that she died on either the 26th or the 27th of September 1984. Her body was discovered when her son, who used to visit her, maybe once a week, went into the flat with his girlfriend at the time and she ran to screaming. Martin finds his mother lying on the bed. She has her dressing gown cord tied around her neck three times and double-motted. And her dress, her green dress, is on back to front. And they called the police.

11:23And that's when the murder investigation started. News of Mary's horrendous murder left her daughter Gina distraught. My maternal half brother called my house to say that it was in our mums and she'd been murdered. I was just shocked, stunned, but I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. This is Rick Burgess from the Rick Burgess show. I want to talk to you for a second about something most of us put on autopilot, car insurance. If you're just letting your policy auto renew year after year without shopping around, I'm telling you, you are probably throwing money away. Rates change all the time and staying loyal to one company can end up costing you big time. That's why you need to go check out Insureify. I went to Insureify.com to test it out myself and I was blown away by how easy it is. In about two minutes, totally free, you can compare actual real-time quotes from over a hundred top insurance companies all side by side in one place.

12:23No endless phone calls, no pushy sales pitches. Here's what I really love. Insureify doesn't just help you once and walk away. They actually keep monitoring your rates in the background and alert you whenever prices drop so you never miss out on a better deal down the road. Millions of drivers have already used insureify to stop overpaying and there's no reason you shouldn't do. Do yourself and your wallet a favor. Go see what you could say right now at insureify.com. That's insureify.com. This is Matt Rogers from Los Cultures. He's dust with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Cultures. He's dust with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait. That's the reaction. A lot of people are having when they first try QB Mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before. And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake. Because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. QB only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, and almost buttery.

13:25Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, some fans even swear by dipping pizza crust in it. And once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere. Chefs use it. Restaurants use it. People who really care about flavor use it. Never try it. Grab the bottle with the red cap next time you're at the store. Put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at John's Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never return from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized that she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place,

14:26everywhere else started to seem a little... Meh. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com. The investigation into Mary's murder began immediately. Who would want to kill the popular grandmother? Detectives needed to find the killer fast, but with minimal evidence and few witnesses, it would be like finding a needle in a haystack. When Mary McLaughlin was found murdered in her Glasgow home in October 1984, Detective Ian Wishart was one of the first investigators at the scene.

15:28When I arrived at the house, obviously there was a placement at the door. The scene was Mary lying on her bed, partially clothed but clearly strangled by what looked like the tie of a dressing gown. There was no sign of the house being ransacked, but what was rather obvious was an astray full of cigarette ends plus a partially-spoked cigarette. Obviously, a very quick inquiry revealed that no one had heard her entering the house that night, so it would have appeared at a very early stage that she may have known her attacker because obviously there was no caffuffle, no noise whatsoever. Mary's family, including her daughter, Gina,

16:30needed to roll themselves out of the inquiry. We were directed to Galen Street police office in Partick to get fingerprints taken for obviously elimination purposes. I just was totally... I was babbling. I couldn't get my hair drowned in it, and it was just awful, awful. An awful experience. When you hear of murder and you read it in the newspapers or you hear it in the media and you think, oh, that's awful, that's sad, but when it actually is close to home, that impacts unbelievable. I start feeling all sorts of mixed emotions, and you can't think straight, you head just can't get around it. Mary's partner also had an alibi. He was working away at sea. Ian Wishart and his team had no early leads. The following day, I gave a television interview

17:33and naturally appealed for witnesses. Obviously, we would like to get in touch with anyone who lived in the area who may have been in the area of Krathikord over the past week or who may have seen Mrs. McLaughlin alive after last Wednesday. This was very positive because it turned out that we were able to establish first of all, she had been in a local chip shop. Mary had last been seen on the 26th of September 1984, six days before her body was found. Tracing Mary's final footsteps, detectives with the help of locals soon piece together the story of the night of her murder, which began at a local pub in Krathikord. The Heinzland Bar wasn't far from Mary's flat.

18:35She probably had about a five or ten minute walk. If that Mary probably stayed there that evening until roughly about nine o'clock at past nine and she decided that she wanted to go and get some fritters, that was part of her routine. She enjoyed a bag of fritters which is basically fried potato instead of chips. She said to her friends it was time to go home. A bit fortified when it's maybe ten hour before the pub was closing for the evening. Witnesses placed Mary in the fish and chip shop at around 10.45pm. She was in the chip shop very chatty, very happy, speaking to the people that worked there. They knew her, she was a familiar face to them. There was nothing in her manner to suggest that she was worried about anybody. She wasn't, didn't tell anybody she was being followed or that anybody had approached her. So there was nothing there to suggest that anything on toward was going on that night. We were left with a lot of interviews with the people in the chip shop,

19:39the people in the public house, nothing ever came of that. After leaving the takeaway, witnesses saw Mary talking with a stranger. Two witnesses state that they saw her walking along the road, accompanied by a young man. But they only take her accompanied by this young man as far as crow road, rashly street, which are two roads that lead up to Krathikourt. No one saw her going up to her house and no one saw her in the house. So at that stage, yes, we have witnesses, but it becomes very, very difficult to track down this young man. And indeed, we cannot, at that stage,

20:39say that this young man was a perpetrator because we have absolutely no evidence that he had accompanied her up to her house. It's impossible to know what happened next, but at some point, a killer was invited into Mary McLaughlin's home. I think what we need to remember about Mary is that she's mum to like 11 children. This is a woman whose whole identity is around being mum. As she meets a young man in the street, now this is a mum, she may have been very maternal towards him if he was saying things to her like, I've got nowhere to stay or I'm feeling really sad. I need someone to talk to. It's quite possible that it's that kind of thing that got Mary to trust him.

21:40The tragedy of this story is that she encountered a predator and didn't recognize a predator when she saw one. When Mary's body was eventually found, it was hard to determine exactly what had happened. The scene is quite problematic because there is a dead woman in the house for several days. This is where now they have to be very careful what they bring into the scene and what they take out of the scene because the killer probably walked in and out of that scene. Are there footprints on the floorboards? Are there any marks of shoe prints? Everything needs to be carefully examined, carefully documented and carefully removed. A post mortem revealed that Mary had been strangled to death with a cord from her own dressing gown. It's a very personal way to kill someone. You're right up, you're really close to them.

22:42They are going to fight you. You're going to have to watch them struggle for breath. So this is somebody who's quite happy to be up close and personal. He hasn't gone up behind her and hit her. It's like there's some sadism involved here and he wanted to see her suffer. He wanted to know what it felt like to watch somebody die. Any relevant items at the crime scene needed to be handled with care by the forensic team. If you went to a murder scene and I have been quite a few, unfortunately, anything that was relevant to the murder had to be taken possession of, bagged, labeled and preserved. Because you might catch someone one day and you would have to present this evidence in court. Items bagged and taken away included the dressing gown called a discarded cigarette

23:46and an item of clothing found in Mary's garden. One of the things they discover a few days later in the garden behind the flat is a bra of hers. It's not on the body, it's been dumped in the garden but they have got no idea of how it got there. Due to the passage of time, it was inconclusive whether they would say she had been raped. They couldn't say, but when you pictured the scene of the crime, you felt even then there was some form of sexual motive in this because of the way the body was dressed. The revelations coming from the crime scene were hard for Mary's large family to comprehend. Although Mary had a complicated relationship with her family and her children, her death, particularly the violence of it and the brutality of her murder,

24:48it absolutely devastated her family and quite literally ripped them apart. We went home that night and wasn't expecting when I put on the TV for it to be on and I had rumours to shake and things like that. I didn't watch this because I didn't really want to accept it. In really bad, it happened to her. It was horrible. After rolling out family members, detectives were still trying to find a potential suspect and there was no sign of a break in at Mary's flat. When police began their investigation, one of the most striking things that stood out at that very, very early stage in their murder hunt was that Mary's front door was locked and the front door key was gone, it was missing. The man who lived next door, he had the keys for the house.

25:48He had the ability to have entered that house. We interviewed him at length and well, we were quite satisfied at the end of the day that he was not who we were looking for. Exhausted every avenue and no one came forward, they couldn't pinpoint anyone, they couldn't arrest anyone. As the investigation continued, detectives were left stumped. Then appeared to me no ill will towards Mary and no evidence of an intruder. As the leads dried up, there was a real concern that Mary's killer was going to get away with murder. As investigators widen the net in the search for Mary McLaughlin's killer, there appeared to be no obvious suspects linked to the brutal murder.

26:58There were eight different police forces in Scotland at the time and communication shall with the neighbours, they was not particularly brilliant between every force area. And Ian Bishop told me that they put a drag net around the media area and they pulled in known sex offenders, house breakers. So you look at the family, you look at the neighbours, you look at people who have access to the house, you also look at people who have motive. There was just nothing that we could say, oh yes, it's this type of person, it was that person, you know, we had no way to go. The minute a stranger, a complete stranger, comes into the picture, we have difficulties. Not knowing who may have killed Mary was an extremely difficult time for her family. When I was told by one of the CID officers that they'd exhausted every avenue,

27:59the case would still lie as a cold case on the shelf. And when they said that to me, don't give up hope. And I said, anything at all that you hear, if you think it's relevant, let us know. And I just went on a mission myself to end a failed would've been relevant to solving my mom's or identifying who her killer was. And I thought I was getting all done and I would go to the end of my wife without knowing what happened to her. I work with a lot of bereaved families, bereaved through homicide. And the one thing that they all consistently say is, we just want to know what happened. We need to know what happened. And Mary's family, they just kept the fight up year after year after year. They were not going to let Mary get forgotten. As the days turned into weeks and the weeks into months,

29:02by the summer of 1985, detectives were no closer to tracking down Mary's killer. I would say about six to nine months later, you realise you're not getting anywhere. But it's never dead. If someone gave some information, there had to be an officer nominated who would look into that case. Marriage and investigation nowadays are typically solved very, very quickly back in the 1980s and the 1970s. There was a bit more legwork needed, you know, before anything was solved. But police did not have endless resources, so the hunt for Mary's killer was scaled in. People put things to you, if you'd done this, could you have done this? No, nothing came out of it. For some reason, I always remembered her name. And I always remembered that case because of the fact that when I was in charge of murders,

30:07this was the only one that hadn't been solved. The investigation into Mary's murder remained cold for decades. It appeared it would never be solved. You can compare actual real-time quotes from over 100 top insurance companies all side by side in one place. No endless phone calls, no pushy sales pitches, here's what I really love. Insurify doesn't just help you once and walk away. They actually keep monitoring your rates in the background and alert you whenever prices drop so you never miss out on a better deal down the road.

31:09Millions of drivers have already used insurify to stop overpaying and there's no reason you shouldn't do. You can do yourself and your wallet a favor. Go see what you could say right now at insurify.com. That's insurify.com. This is Matt Rogers from Los Cultures. He's dust with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Cultures. He's dust with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait. That's the reaction. A lot of people are having when they first try QB Mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before. And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake. Because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. QB only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, and almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, some fans even swear by dipping pizza crust in it. And once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere. Chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really care about flavor use it.

32:11Never try it, grab the bottle with the red cap next time you're at the store. Put it on just about anything, then you'll understand. QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. It's fall in Jeep country. And during the driving to fall sales event, get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be contained. Like Jeep Wrangler. Confidence built into every drive with the most awarded SUV ever. Jeep Grand Cherokee. And freedom that can't be denied. With the open air freedom and Jeep Gladiator. After 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand. Get a great deal during the Jeep driving to fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand. Jeep and the Jeep Grill or Registered Trademarks of FCA US LLC. Journalist Jane Hamilton began looking into the case over 30 years after the horrific attack. By 2014, there had been four case reviews and to made his murder by police. Unfortunately, DNA prior to 2014 was not advanced enough for the police to make any significant breakthroughs in Mary's murder.

33:15And I read an interview that Gina had given. And in it, she'd been looking better at Devothation and how she couldn't move on until her mum's murder had been caught. And I just wanted to see if there was anything I could do. Jane's article in the Daily Record published in 2016, Shona Light on the Case Again. But, unbeknown to her, investigators had already begun the process of retesting the evidence collected at the murder scene. Mary dies in 1984 and the DNA is eventually revisited 30 years later. Now, in those 30 years, the DNA sensitivity and specificity capabilities skyrocket. We have better technologies and we can actually identify more specific genes on every DNA profile that can pinpoint one person as opposed to many, many, many others.

34:19And so, in this case, in 30 years, we go from looking just a handful of DNA markers to over 2,000 DNA markers. Forensic scientists began by analyzing the murder weapon, the makeshift ligature that strangled Mary to death, her dressing gown cord. When recovered from the crime scene in 1984, there were two knots along the cord. One was untied during the original investigation, while crucially, the other was left untouched. Anybody's DNA who's on that knot had to be at that death scene. Mary and her killer are more likely to be the only people whose DNA would be found on that second never touched before knot.

35:19I got a phone call from a contact who said that police were interested in a man 4 metres murder and that they believed that they had a DNA match to a man be called of Mary's dressing gown cord. The search on the sex offenders database gives us a name, its Graham McGill. And he's DNA's on the database because many years before, he was convicted of a sexual crime. So, 30 years after Mary's death, we get a match. Graham McGill had been jailed for assault and attempt to rape in 1981 and was supposedly behind bars at the time of Mary's murder. But in the light of the DNA results, a new revelation was discovered. McGill was on day release from Edinburgh Prison where he was serving as the victim for attempting to rape women in 1981.

36:23He was on a two day training for freedom program. During his trial release from prison, McGill had travelled 50 miles from Edinburgh to Glasgow to Kill Mary. Investigators had no way of knowing that back in 1984. It's all very well and hindsight to say, should we have known about Graham McGill? Well, no, there was just no way that we could have at that time honed in on Graham McGill. There's never ever been any real explanations to why back in 1984 when transport wasn't as reliable as it is nowadays, why he decided to get a bath, why he decided to do that when he only had two days out of prison. He'd have been obsessing about this whilst he was in prison thinking about, you know, the type of woman he's going to attack, how he's going to do it, almost enjoying the thought of it.

37:32So by the time he gets out, he's ready. He's ready to go and that's exactly what he did do. The motive for McGill's apparently unprovoked attack on Mary has never been established. It's always been a bit of a mystery as to why McGill targeted Mary and nobody quite knows how they met. Did he see her in the street? Was he in the Highland bar that she was drinking in that night? And did he see her? Did he follow her? It's thought that when Mary and McGill got back to her flat, he's attacked her almost instantly. Mary wasn't a violent person but she did try to defend herself and she would have fought quite ferociously for her life. But she was 58 years old. McGill was 22, you know, he was quite a strong young man and he would have been very easy for him to overpower her, which is what he did. After murdering Mary, Graham McGill casually returned to Edinburgh Prison until he was released just a few days later in October 1984 after serving half of his six-year sentence.

38:45McGill lived a seemingly normal life working as a welder but his misogynistic behavior never went away. In 1993, he gets married to a lady called Suzanne and at one point in a conversation with his wife, he tells her that he's killed a woman and says to her, I wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. And he also says, if you tell anybody about that, I'll kill you. It's a good indication of McGill's attitude. He didn't care for women and he was prepared to use violence. He's probably been dying to brag about it. For years, this is not the type of person who worried about what he's done in the past, but he will use it to control people in the prison. McGill actually said to her that no one was going to come after him for the murder of Mary McLaughlin because, and I quote,

39:47because she was on her own, she didn't have anybody and she may be more like a prostitute. Oh, it's a dreadful thing to say about the poor woman. She certainly wasn't, but that's the way it occurred to him. He said she had no one. That was not true. She'd spent that evening with her daughter. Her family, her fought and fought and fought over the years to find out who Mary's killer was. He could not have been more wrong. By the time DNA revealed McGill as Mary's killer, he had already been back in prison and subsequently released for another sexual assault on a woman. In 1999, McGill is convicted of the attempted rape of a 24-year-old woman and is sentenced to life. He does not serve a life-term. In fact, he's released on license in 2008.

40:51In December 2019, over 35 years after murdering Mary McLaughlin, Graham McGill received an unexpected knock at the door. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, McGill is astonished when the police arrived at his door to charge him with the murder of Mary McLaughlin. I was delighted, but don't forget what was at the back of my mind. Had I made the mistake, had the person they were about to arrest, been someone we had interviewed? I was delighted that caught the murder and I was delighted that it wasn't somebody we had let slip through our fingers. I spoke to Gina Mary's daughter in the immediate aftermath of the news breaking that there had been a man arrested and she was relieved but nervous and didn't want to get her hopes up that finally she would get justice for her mum.

41:58When he was arrested, some of the newspapers were saying that he had committed previous crimes of rape and the parole board felt that he was able to go back into the community and he wasn't a danger to other women again when in fact he was an old mother to my mother. Despite the overwhelming evidence against him, Graham McGill, now aged 58, wasn't going to confess to anything. As preparations were made for his upcoming trial, McGill refused to admit to murdering Mary. In a final insult to her family, McGill was going to plead, not guilty. Graham McGill was absolutely convinced that he would take Mary's murder as a secret to his grave. He thought that he would get away with it. It possibly made him quite cocky and quite arrogant and his time went on.

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46:06The 59-year-old welder was now aged one year older than Mary McLaughlin was when he killed her. It's seen him because I was sitting two rows behind him. I just looked at his face. But how can you tell what a murderous face looks like? It can just look like nobody. You can look at somebody or you can't say it. You say, well, it looks like a murderer to me because you can't tell. The prosecutor during the trial said, and I think it's very telling, that Mary was friendly and trusting, and I would suggest that ultimately this brought about her death. These were different times. We have to accept that. The awareness of stranger danger of vulnerable women, which is so clear to us all now, was much less evident then. Although McGill pleaded not guilty, the DNA evidence against him was indisputable. McGill's DNA is on the database,

47:07and compared to other people's DNA, we get a statistical probability of one in 85,000 chances of any other male depositing that DNA at the scene of Mary's death. McGill's DNA is found in multiple items. Each one of them has its own statistical probability of belonging to somebody else. But when you combine his DNA on the bra, his DNA on the knot, his DNA on a cigarette bud found near the scene, the probability of any other human being depositing that DNA on that day at that scene skyrockets to one in a billion. It is no small number, any points that are killer is definitively McGill. McGill appeared unmoved as the overwhelming DNA evidence against him,

48:10collected when he was just 22 years old, was presented in court. McGill chose not to give evidence at his own trial. He reportedly sat with his head bowed throughout, not I think from very much in a way of remorse. But more from the sense of embarrassment after all by this point is an old man, than is being tried for something that happened 37 years ago. But it doesn't disguise not for one moment, nor does it excuse the utterly wicked nature of the crime. On 9th April 2021, the jury had unanimously reached their decision. I felt relieved. When I heard the guilty verdict, I felt relieved that it was coming to an end and someone's been held to account. And family can get one with their lives. For me personally, I didn't have closure.

49:12In my experience as a crime reporter and having dealt with literally hundreds of families, I have a murder attempt. I don't think closure is the right word. I don't think that they ever get such a thing as closure because they know the relative isn't here. Graham McGill got away with Mary McLaughlin's murder for nearly 37 years. But in the end, he could not run away from the DNA evidence he left behind. In order for a conviction to happen, jurors have to believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that we're talking about the correct suspect. Without DNA matching, this would not have been the case in this case. The thing is, when a lot of these men were committing their offences, there was no such thing as DNA. They would have had no idea that leaving behind

50:14all of these things that the crime scene would eventually come back to get them. But they are starting to realise it now. And I think that there's a lot of serious offenders sitting in their homes waiting for that knock on the door because it's almost inevitable. For anyone who's considering committing crimes like this, then hopefully that's a deterrent that you will get caught. No matter how long it takes, you will get caught. In May 2021, at Aberdeen High Court, 59-year-old Graham McGill was sentenced to 14 years in prison for the murder of Mary McLaughlin. The family, not surprisingly, were upset at what they saw was a very short sentence. And it's difficult not to sympathise with them. There was 37 years between Mary's murder and McGill's conviction.

51:16And in that 37 years, he was able to lead a very full life, which included getting married. He was able to work, socialise, have lots of jobs, move around the country, and basically just live his life. And unfortunately, he took that away from Mary. 14 years is nothing. And I think life should mean life if for people who do heinous crimes. But it's nothing really compared to the last nearly 30, 40 years of family. I've gone through, but nothing at all compared to the term end. That my feelings in my maternal half-siblings have gone through. McGill has never confessed to Mary's murder or spoken about it on record. What exactly led him to kill the 58-year-old Graham mother on that night in September 1984 remains unknown.

52:21There is nothing about the killing of Mary McLaughlin that really makes sense to me, except that it was a man, a 22-year-old man, anxious to fulfill his sexual desires. And if that was really the only reason, why on earth would he wind a dressing gown called, round her neck three times and then double-knotted? I find it very, very hard to find any possible excuse for Graham McGill's actions. They are truly wicked. I see McGill as somebody who is just particularly depraved for the fact that, you know, he not only got away with murder for 37 years, but in the intervening years, he actually bragged to somebody that he killed a woman just to see what it felt like. And he had for somebody to have such a careless disregard for life is just evil personified. McGill was a convicted sex offender who traveled 50 miles to kill a stranger in September 1984.

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