TS Madison Tells Her Life Story (Full Interview)

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1:00to her own WeTV reality show, a RuPaul drag race judge seat and being sampled by Beyonce. T.S. Madison, welcome to flat. Welcome. Oh, well, thank you for having me, Vlaia. You know, I got to see how this gonna go. What? I got to see how this gonna go. Show us Jason Lee. Yeah, Jason Lee, that's my dog. Yeah, that's my dog. Let me tell you something about Jason Lee. Jason Lee is very much so one of the people that I has misunderstood that I think is misunderstood because he's so, he's a Leo. He's loud lavering color and he's not afraid of anything or anybody. And one thing I got to say about Jason is Jason has always, anytime that he's ever been in any room, he's always tried to pull me in in a room. Like he tried to get me in with Nick Cannon like when he was doing wild and out. You know what I'm saying? And then I ended up doing a Nick Cannon show and I called Nick Nick the Dick. That's from a movie, wasn't it? Nick the Dick. That's the party.

2:01Nick the Dick. Yeah. Big Dick Nick Cannon. God damn it, all those children that reached the nest stole Mariah Carey's voice right out of the blue. Believe that one alone. Well, it's your first time here. So I want to start in the very beginning. Okay, so you grew up in Miami. I did. And you grew up in the church. Yeah, I'm a church. I'm a church thirsty. No, I'm a church queen. Yes, I did grow up in the church. And I learned a lot about religion. And right now I'm really unsubscribing from all the dogma around it. I'm saying around Christianity because the way that I'm looking at the way that the country is being ran by Christians or people in the name of God, I don't think Jesus will be doing none of this shit. How many kids were there? My mother had three sons. I ended up being her oldest daughter. I don't shy away from me being born male.

3:05I'm not in that delusion that I was born a woman. I was born male and I transitioned into a transgender woman. Like I don't, contrary to what people believe, I don't subscribe to the narrative of me being a female. I don't think that I'm a female. A woman, a trans woman, yes. Female? No, because you know shit. I grew up in a house full of females and we're different. Well, you're two brothers. And was your dad around or no? No, my dad was not there, but my grandfather was predominantly in my life. And he was a man's man. You know, he tried to, I know how to change a tire. I know how to cut grass. I know how to, you know what I'm saying? Change a battery out of a car if I got to. You know what I'm saying? I know how to do all the things, you know. And still, I'm a woman.

4:06So where was your dad during this? Well, my dad was a drug addict. And I think that my dad still is, you know, I still dabble in drugs. You know, I've speak to him here and there. I blocked him on like my social media and I blocked him like on my phone because he likes to ask me for money, you know. And so I don't like him asking me for money. Yeah. Sorry to hear that. I mean, I'm in his family members, are you? You know, I'm all right with it. Like I've come to the conclusion. Like I did want to have like this great relationship with my dad. I did. And so like when I had my show on WeTV, I brought him there to like really sit down and have like a whole full conversation about like, you know, where do we go wrong? Or where can we, you know, build or something, you know? And then he started asking me for money. Well, it's hard to have relationship with someone who's on drugs. I've got family members that are on drugs and so forth.

5:06No matter what you do, the drugs are just more powerful. Yeah. So that's why I tell men all the time, honey. Oh, tell women, don't let a man find out how good Dick is because baby, when you find out how good Dick is, that's like crack. You ain't never letting them other fuck off. Okay. Okay. So you're growing up in Miami. And when you were around 11 or 12, you had a cousin named Ronnie who got AIDS. Yeah, he had AIDS, yes. And I watched him, you know, dying. And so we would hear rumors of like, you know, him being gay and all this type of stuff, you know, which we, which he was gay. And back then, like, in that young age, it was like, bitch, I know you like me and girl, but bitch, you don't want to get AIDS. So I was just like, no, I don't, I don't want to do anything,

6:09you know, where I get AIDS because that's all it was. Talk back then. Like I'm almost 50 years old. Right. And so back then it was like really great. Grace. I'm 53 and for a long time, AIDS was a death sentence. Yeah. Yeah. Up until a magic Johnson. Yeah. The man just came to me. You're like, you're gonna get AIDS and you're gonna die. You could write, then that's it. Because that's how it was. But like if you, if you were diagnosed with HIV or AIDS, like bitch, you was dead in seven days. Yeah. Yeah. It was like watching the damn ring seven days. Seven days. Yeah. Well, by that point, did you know that you were gay? I knew I was different because of my other brothers and my older male cousins that were around me. I knew that I was a different person. I knew that my attractions weren't the same as them. Like I would see them see the way they would lust after women and the way that they would be talking to a whole bunch of girls and stuff like that. And I'd be like, oh. So you're no interested at all. None. None. None. I do find women to be extremely attractive.

7:11I mean, of course, this is the product of my visual. But as far as being sexually attracted, no. And so, you know, I just, I just didn't, I wasn't the same like the rest of the boys. I just wasn't. Well, when you were around 14, the movie The Crying Game. Yes. 92. And was that the first time you saw a trans person on the screen? A person that the movies told us was trans. Now, I had saw, you know, other imitations of things like Flip Wilson, you know, you know, people getting up and drag and stuff here and there. A RuPaul. I had saw RuPaul. And I just didn't see what I thought was me. Like, you know, they were all getting out of it. Like they was putting on women's clothes and taking it off. And I was like, well, honey, if you're going to do the damn thing, if you're going to go all the way, well, to a degree,

8:13because in The Crying Game, deal the character still had her penis. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, yeah, that's it right there. Shit, I can have it all. I'm all of that. I've always felt that I was like too spirited or too occupied, you know, walked on both sides of the realm. I've always felt that way. Okay. So you started transitioning at age 17? 17, 18 is yeah. Okay. By that point, were you having sex already? No. I didn't have, I didn't have penetration sex. I had, I had had oral sex, you know, with boys, yeah. But you know, around my age bracket and stuff like that. So I didn't, I didn't get penetrated until I was like 20. Okay. So leading up to this, you're having sex with boys. No, are these gay boys that are out? Are they down low? What does this actually happen? Well, you're, well, this is what people don't understand. Like when you're a young boy, a young kid's in a way,

9:15kids play around with each other. Like young kids, we played house, we hunched, you know, I'm saying we would, you know, get some dick measure who's got a bigger dick, you know. But boys do that. I mean, I never did that. Well, it's a boy. Listen, if you watch any of those locker room videos or those people, like those boys, it's a lot of horse, there's a lot of horse play goes on amongst boys. Some boys. With some boys, but a lot of boys have a lot, there's a lot of horse play around it. And then sometimes, you know, when one boy is extremely feminine, you know, I think what tends to happen is, I don't think that the boys that I had like, it's encounters with were gay. I just think that they were trying to exude or show dominance in the room. Like I was the more. Fear matter all the boys in it. And it used to be like, why you, why you walk like that?

10:17Why you, why you talk like that? And I want to say this before I put on hair, lipstick, nails, and all this, I was always called a girl. Girl, girl, you a girl, girl, girl. The moment I started being the girl, oh, you a man, you're a man. But prior to all that, it was girl, like the boys, the boys knew, like the boys would see, like they would always know that it was a big, it's a huge difference in the locker room at school. Oh, I don't want to be here with that or with it, you know? Okay, so you start transitioning at 17. And then by 18, 19, you start taking hormones? Yes, because I started transitioning in my mind. Like I started deconstructing the things of like what's masculine, what's feminine, what's a woman. You know, I started doing that in my mind. So by the time that I had the opportunity to meet other girls, like myself, it was around like 18, 19.

11:19And I was able to get in, get in contact with like under the table, hormones. Like, you know, like now my doctors prescribed me hormones. Okay, so what's legal back then? No, like you couldn't, like you, like you, like you, I couldn't get in, because I wasn't going to the doctor to get them. You know what I'm saying? Like could you have gone to the doctor and gotten them? Ah, I don't think so, but dear. Okay, I don't think so. Because this was like 95, 96. This is like 95, 96, like, you know? Okay, so you start with the hormones first. Uh huh. And then you move to plastic surgery. I did, yes. With silicone. Sillicone. Okay, silicone, yes. So where was the silicone going? Uh, the silicone goes directly into the skin, into the flesh. Right, into your, into the chest, to the breast, into the hips, into the body. You know, I didn't do like everybody was doing stuff to their face. Like I didn't, I was scared to put silicone in my face. So, okay, because this is before BBL's way before being before. Yeah. That wasn't even a thing. That was not a thing.

12:19It was like, you was getting pumped. Right. I remember, uh, interview Cardi B. Early in her career. And she was talking about how when she got her ass shots, she went to a motel room. Yeah, where some other strippers referred her. Yeah. And she has no idea what went in there. I was desperate to have a bigger ass. And then almost every girl was going to this lady that was getting the shots in Queens. And it's like, well, give me her number and hook me up. And it's like, I did what I did. And to this day, she has no idea what she was doing. You don't, you don't know what's in there. Like, because the girls will tell you back then, like, you know, it was, it was medical grade silicone. Because all the girls were saying like, oh, they know a lady that works at the, at the hospital and she gets to silicone, you know? And so we would, we would go to the lady. The lady would, would pump us, you know what I'm saying? And then it's, and like Cardi B, you know, only one, like, little Kim none did it. Like Nicki Minaj. Nicki Minaj has done it. Like the girls, like the girls have done it because that's what you do.

13:20You know, back then when you're trying to do the things, that's, that's what you do. And so, shit, I don't want to reveal people that I know, no, but I've taken the girls to the pump doctor. You know what I'm saying? We used to get off of work. I used to work at this place called a track phone, which was top telecom back then. And we used to go on lunch break and go get pumped. Me and some of the girls are going to get pumped on lunch break. Well, this is not actual doctors doing it. There's a real danger. There was a girl who had this real extreme, but, and she was taking people to go get pups and one of the girls died. Yeah. And she went to prison. This is probably around maybe 2012. I, my name wasn't chair. Oh, no, not Cherokee. Not Cherokee. Not Cherokee. I don't, because I'm from the air. No, no, I'm from the Cherokee era. The pinky era. And she needed them because I didn't know about picture.

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15:26Epglis can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Don't use if you are allergic to Epglis. Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. I problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have newer worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Epglis. Before starting Epglis, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Pay partnership with Lily. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about Epglis and visit Epglis.com or call 1-800-LilyRX or 1-800-545-5979. Yeah, wait, hold on, I'm just going to look up her name. Pebbles the models. Pebbles the models. From Carolina. I think so. She was really extreme. Beauty. Huge, huge, huge again and again. Yes, and she was taking girls to go get a similar procedure. One died and she went to prison. She went to prison. Yeah. She got out eventually. Yeah. So were girls dying or anything up in the hospital? Yeah. One of my closest girlfriends, she died. She died? Die. Die. Because it went to her lungs.

16:26Yeah. You know, it travels. Like when you put it in the body, it travels through the body. And so what the lady would do back then, the lady would form it. She would pump it in you and then she would form it. Like mash it up and form it and then they'll tell you, like, they'll put it in and they'll put cotton pads and she'll know you. You know, I mean, this is the cost of this is the cost. Yeah, this is the cost. Yeah, I feel you. You know, okay. All right. So you start your procedures. You're taking hormones. You start getting silicone. And leading up to around 2003, that's when you first started doing like adult photo work. I started doing, I started walking the streets, like right after top telecontract from because they fired me. That was the last job that I had. And that was like, they fired me. When was September 11? It was 25 years ago, right? Yeah. 2001. Yeah. Yeah. I was walking the streets prior to that. Then I got a job and then I started back walking the streets because like, you know, I

17:30would be flipping, you know, flipping in and out because my mom was like, listen, you can't. I got two other boys in this house. You can't be in this house like wearing a being no girl in here. Like, and I was like, okay, well shit, I'm out, you know? And so so my mom then put me out. I left. I want to make that clear. Like she didn't throw me out on the streets. I left because I was like, this, this is my choice. Okay. And that's what I'm going to do. Well, the first time you're actually walking the streets and selling your body. What led up to that? Um, well, you know, I was fired multiple times, but the last firing was that was, that was like, fuck it. This is it. But I had been fired multiple times from multiple jobs because I was transitioning. I used to, I worked at Publix. I was a cashier at Publix and like, I used to wear my own hair back in a ponytail.

18:32And it was, it was shoulder length at the time. And I would wear back in the ponytail and I would put over my name tag, you know, I would put Chanel. And so I would get into altercations probably with some of the customers and the customers would be like, well, the lady right here, you know, she, she has an attitude. And in my managers, like, what lady are you talking about? You talking about him? But then it was like, well, man, you're going to have to stop coming to work with your hair pull back with earrings, like you need to be more masculine. I was the first back then they didn't hire male cashiers at Publix. I was the first male cashier at my Publix. Oh, okay. And so that's why they were so confused on like, why is this, why are we, you know, why are they calling her him? And shit, because they see she anyway. So they fired me from there. Then I got fired from a long young silver. I was like, I fired from, you know, I just kept getting fired from these jobs because it was, this was tear, it was terrorizing the people, you know, it was, and my managers

19:35and shit was like, bitch, this is the he. Y'all she and he, she and him. And this is the he. And I didn't tolerate disrespect on no level. So it just was too many fire. I got fired too many times. So I was like, fuck that. I'm going to go to work for myself. Okay. Now you're walking the strip waiting for men to pull up for you to have sexual relations with them. Yeah. Did they know that you were trans? Yeah, of course. That's, I worked on 79th Street, 7th Avenue. I worked right across the street from, it was a club called Club Boy. And it was a behavior kitchen there. And then, biscane boulevard was over there. Like the, like the real fish, like the real women, they would work on biscane. And the trainees, trainees, transwomen would work on 79th. But sometimes it would integrate.

20:36And so that had been going on for a very long time. By the time I got to work out there, you know, it had been, everybody know that the girls work on the strip and the, the, the, the cuts work over there. So the girls work over here and the real, real women work over here. And so men with circle, it was the Pat Jam was back there. That was like on 81st. It was the Pat Jam and Luke, Uncle Luke used to be, but what it works, uh, performing at the Pat Jam. Then it was club obsession like right there on 79. And so like when, when, when the clubs let out, all the girls will be on the strip. So the, so the, so the boys will be coming in out the club and they will see the girls. And so, you know, my first encounter with 79th Street was I was going, I was in high school. And one of my girlfriends took me out there and that's the first time that I had ever

21:37seen like prostitutes. And so back, even back then they were saying like these are men because they would have almost link shop bikinis and stuff like that. I was like, how the fuck is these, you know what I'm saying? Like these big titties and hips and shit. So I can understand the confusion. I was always like really fascinated with, with that type of shit. And then, and then me seeing deal back then naked. I'm like, oh, okay, this is how it all works. So my first night on the beat, shit. You know, I was new. I was like, I'm gonna put a thing, cute and ugly at the same fucking time. You know, a nigga like a cute ugly bitch because you know, he feel like that bitch, she, he feel like that bitch, he feel like that bitch, he feel like that whole pussy ain't gonna be that hacker. She don't know the fuck she doing because she, she cute but ugly and shit. And so, you know, I made my money. Okay. I used to look down on prostitutes though. I want you to understand this. I used to look down because of my Christian background.

22:40Because of me, you know, growing up, you know, always working. My granddad taught me how to work. It was like, why would you sell your body like ill? Why would you, why would you do that? And then getting out of the world and the world to tell me, we don't want you in this bitch. You don't, we don't want you being a woman in here. You got to be a man, man up. Okay. During this time, did you have a pimped at all? No, a pimped. I'm a baby. I am a real nigga on the inside. Can you know my fucking, can you know by the out pimped at all? But some of the trans girls probably had them. They have no mind. They can't have no mind. If you let somebody, you sucking dick for somebody else? No. She's here. Hey, oh no. Okay. So you start working the street. Uh huh. And then you start shooting your own videos. Well, I started working the street. The more you work the street, the more you see other bitches that do. Other bitches got big titties, big ass, big hips, big body, big face, big whatever. And the bigger you are, the darker it is, the faster a fucking car going to stop.

23:44And so I was like, shit, I'm a skinny ugly bitch. Just skinny, skinny, half way cute ugly bitch. So I got to go take care of that. So I started getting more bodywork and shit done. That's how I'm so voluptuous now. I started getting more bodywork done because the bigger the bigger the ass, the more cars going to stop. And so I got silicone poison. Oh, okay. Yes. I actually got silicone poison. Like my girlfriend's died. I got silicone poison and shit. Like this high ended up moving to Atlanta because I was like girl when my body healed up and no use to me going back to the streets. You know what I'm saying? Cause it's just like, I don't, you know, I don't want to go back out there. I had all these scars. I still have scars on my body. And I, and I know there are people like to make jokes cause I'm very open about everything. And I'm open about the scars and stuff that I have on my body because I want people to understand like when I get naked in the mirror and I look at myself, I look at where bitch don't you made bad decision, don't make them normal because I could have had my shit

24:49skin graft and all that type of shit healed up. But I decided to keep all of my scars because I wanted to make sure cause I don't want to have those thoughts of going to make me like, maybe I need to, maybe I need to put a little more on this side of all I want to do that. And those scars remind me of, you know, exactly where I was in that place. So I started doing videos when I moved to Atlanta. Not in Miami. These are porn videos? porn videos, yes. Okay. I became big dig bitch dot com. You motherfuckers I did is gonna watch this video. You know it. Some of you mean it does describe the Vlad TV. You know it. You could tear him my whole life story. You know it. Okay. So and that became a serious business for you. Very very serious. I made my first million dollars like that. Million dollars. Yes. Really? Yes. Were you doing custom videos? No. No. I was doing this way before only fans. This is before all this stuff. So it is easy to when people say they made a million dollars in only fans.

25:51Yeah. I believe them because I made a million dollars off of off of my own. Under other companies like Groovy, Black Tea Girls, who I had took pictures for. I took pictures for Black Tea Girls and Bob's Tea Girls and shit in Miami. But I never got into deeply into porn until I got into Atlanta. And so once all of that shit happened and you know I understood who I was. I had a cute face as I had when I got my skin in order.

26:51You know because when I got to Atlanta my gay mama back then my aunt was very much so like you, my Amy girls, y'all only want big bodies. Y'all like big bodies, fake pocketbooks and big asses. No bitch. We're women here in Atlanta. So we go, we work on our skin. We work on our teeth. You know, and so she took me under her wing there and I went and got my teeth fixed. I got my skin worked on. You know what I'm saying? I started getting plastic surgery in the face. Like I started getting, I got my first nose job and stuff there like stuff around like my eyes. Like I started getting actual plastic surgery. Like I didn't have pumps. I didn't get pumped in my face. Like I had actual plastic surgery in my face. Little bit. So I'm out here doing my videos and stuff like that. I have made a million fucking dollars. Right. 2012, you won the Urban Ex Award for the trans-exual performer of the year.

27:52Yes. So now you're being recognized by the porn industry. And still independent and see what people don't understand. I was in that market and I was independent and I wouldn't let like companies have me because there were companies out there that were very interested in, you know, trying to take over my brand because I branded myself as big, big bitch. I was Q-face, Liam Ways, big dick. And it just, and it worked. Did you ever want to go and actually get the transition operation? No. No. I don't want to pussy. Atta made me like a normal bitch. But a lot of trans women do want vagina, right? Some of them. I'm not one. One percentage actually want vagina. If you ask me to give you like a percentage, just I don't know. Because there's a lot of girls go through this. They're trapped in the wrong body stuff or whatever. I walked the line. I like living in duality. You know what I'm saying? That's why when people be like, oh, you want to be a real woman. I'm like, girl, I don't want to be that.

28:54No. Well, leading up to this, as you're getting into your 30s and being successful in the porn industry and so forth, are you dating and getting into relationships or is it just mostly flings? Well, it was a lot of flings. I did. I've been in my life. I've been in five relationships. Five. I'm almost 50. So that's probably like one every decade. So I've been, well, shit, it can't be one every decade because let me get that right. For them, I'm about to say, I'm not here fucking young. So I'm almost 50. So I've only been with like five real, five real relationships. You know, three of those relationships were with my Johns. Two of them were with normal gentlemen. You know what I'm saying? That there could have been Jones. I don't know because I don't know what the fuck niggas do at night. Especially getting into that world. I don't trust men. Seeing the dark side of men out there on the beat and also being a sex worker, seeing

29:58the real, real side of men. Well, you talk about men. I remember I interviewed Sydney Starter, Illinois. And she said she's not interested in gay men. She's interested in straight men because she feels she's a woman. So she doesn't want a gay man. The various guys that you're dating, these are all what you consider straight guys. These are all heterosexual men. And if you saw them, you'd be like, girl, when you get that one from, like I get a lot of people telling me like that I'd be pulling them. How do you look at that? Do you agree with that or no? Ah, you know what I'm talking about, right? I do. Well, yeah, I know about Sydney. We're going to get into that too. We must get into that. Here's the thing. Gay men, and this probably going to get me in trouble again because I got in trouble and nearly shit with this. Gay men are actively seeking women of any sort of any moniker, trans women. And you know what I'm saying?

31:00They're not seeking film presenting. Gay men usually, those that identify as gay men like other men. They're like men that look like men. They're like gym men. It's like gay men are usually saying no facts, no films. Well, hold on though. But you see very feminine gay men, right? You see the pucks, let's say, you know, they call them. These are not masculine men. There are somewhat woman-ish already. And there is a market for that, right? There's also like, I mean, I don't really know the gay community well, but there's like the bear gay men called more like me. You know, just airy and big. But then there's the little feminine, little bottom guys also. So I feel like it's kind of like going through a spectrum of this. Well, here's the thing. People are always trying to put sexuality, attraction and stuff into a black and white when it's a spectrum of things like you said, like there are people that are attracted

32:02to certain shit, you know what I'm saying? Like when I really break this stuff down for you, I could tell you out of those five men, none of those five men that I dated, that really, that I really, really, really took dating series were interested in my penis. None of them. I mean, maybe one, two jerked it off. You know what I'm saying? You know, jerked me, but it was, that's not what they were, that's not what they were there for. And I had conversations with some of other men that I've liked, and it didn't get deep into dating. And it's just like, well, I'm going to have a sex chain and say, well, why would you do that? Like bitch, why would you do that? Like you don't fuck or touch my dick anyway. So it was like, what is there? And you know, I'm saying like, why would you go do that? You know, even though I don't touch it or fuck it or do not get it. And it's hard to convey that to people that the audience watching is going to be like, but they do.

33:03And it's trying to categorize those people. That's what those gentlemen are into. And they, they, they identify themselves as heterosexual. Me, what I identify men that like the girls, I think that they're men that, that, that, that either pan or fluid. You know what I'm saying? Or just, I'm pan or fluid. Well, in the trans community, you see an abnormal amount of murders that happen, unfortunately. And a lot of times it's because either the man doesn't know that. Who told you that? That's what they say. That's what I've been told, shout. Either the man doesn't know that there's a trans person that they're messing with or they get exposed for being attracted to a trans person. That's the easiest scapegoat to tell somebody that I didn't know.

34:05And a lot of those girls, it's God bless the day, excuse me, day, but a lot of those, a lot of those girls be clucky. Some of those girls that have been killed, they're like, they don't been clucky. Like you got clucky. Clucky means, honey, you can gather them on site. Like you would like, oh, okay. Oh, all right. You clapped. Okay. Some of them, some of them, not all of them. You know what I'm saying? So the excuse of, I didn't know, it's like, bitch, you, you was down there sucking that girl dick, how you didn't know? How you didn't know? Do you know how many times that I've filmed adult films with a lot of hood niggas back in the day? And no motherfuckers wants to shit hit the internet. And because a lot of men think like, well, I'm the only one watching this. And then when they hit the internet, I was going viral on Facebook and shit before I even knew because they were taking clips from big digbitch.com, posting them on there and they was having millions of views.

35:06And they were in their heaven. He's discussion because somebody, Uncle, a brother or cousin was on my side. Yeah. Interviewed a boxer, you, you remember him? Yeah. He was the boxer and he wasn't like a major boxer, but you know, he had some fights and so forth. And a gay video came out and then he claimed he was drugged. And then, you know, the corn company was like, no, he wasn't. Here's the release form. Yeah. And finally, he's like, no, no, I'm actually gay and, you know, his kids rough sat with them and so forth and I interviewed him. One of your daughters though, wasn't very happy. Oh, she was. She was, she was one happy, but she was like, the day you still my dad, you know, I was upset. What I said, what I said, and I apologize. Well, she said that you should kill yourself because you and you were barricading. What was that like to hear your oldest daughter?

36:07I hung the phone on my foot and it's like crying like, like my daughter talking to me like this, but I get hit man because I love that. But ultimately, yeah, some men do that behind the scenes, but they don't want the world to know. Well, how accepting is the world? And this is why when I'm dating someone, I'm very quiet. It's not that, it's not that he's hiding me. I'm discreet. I'm discreet because I can handle it. I go out in the world with my mother fucking lipstick on and hair and nails and shit done or whatever and I can get caught and I go out in the world and walk outside and don't give a fuck about all this stuff. I'm strong. I'm stronger than any nigga, any man because I can walk out as a woman every day. Some of those men don't have the strength to do that and can't take the bearing down of people, you know, saying shit like that to them.

37:08And so, you know, how, how, how could people come out if there's no safe spaces? There are no safe spaces for people. This episode is brought to you by Nordstrom. For 125 years, Nordstrom has been part of your story, the stylist who found the perfect outfit for your big interview, the first pair of walking shoes for your one-year-old, the tomato soup you shared with your sister at the cafe. These are the moments that make Nordstrom, Nordstrom, bigger, small, we're here for all of it. Celebrating 125 years with new moments still add, discover it all in Nordstrom stores and at Nordstrom.com. Hey, it's Kelly Rowland. You may not know this, but I have Exema, so I get how it can steal your time. So why let Exema take over when you can talk to your doctor about Ebglyss? Ebglyss, lubricism ab LBKZ, a 250-mg per 2-mg leader injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older, who weigh at least 88 pounds

38:10or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema. Also called a topic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals or who cannot use topical therapies, Ebglyss can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Let's use if you are allergic to Ebglyss. A allergic reaction can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have newer, worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Ebglyss. Before starting Ebglyss, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Pay partnership with Lili. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about Ebglyss and visit Ebglyss.com or call 1-800-LiliRX or 1-800-545-59-79. Did you ever feel bothered that some of these men don't claim you publicly and go out with you publicly and try to hide you? No, because I don't have that issue. You don't have that issue, but they have the issue sometimes. No, and the men that I don't, if I'm with you, if I'm dating you, I'm too old for that shit now. And I am T.S. Madison.

39:11Are you crazy? Hide me. Not claim me. Bitch, I am a hot commodity. I am high stocks. So you over there talking about something, oh, I can't tell nobody, fuck that. We're not dating. Now if we tricking off back then when I was selling pussy ass and dick, but does thing, I don't give a fuck. What? I don't give a fuck about the half my money. Okay. Half my money. We don't got to tell because we're not dating. What was the most that a man ever paid you for one night? Oh shit. One night. Like $5,000? Okay. Four night. 25,000 for, you know what I'm saying, a weekend. Shit. I ended up, now I ended up really fucking with that. I still, I ended up back, you know, fucking with him. But ultimately in my brain, I'm like, this ain't really gonna go nowhere. I might stay a tree. I might keep selling pussy to you because this ain't going nowhere.

40:14Yeah. Well, by around 2013, social media starts to kind of heat up a little bit. And you start to go viral with some videos. Well, I was going viral before then. Like I was telling you from BigDBitch.com because they would always, I would have a lot of hood niggas, a lot of street niggas, a lot of, a lot of motherfucking niggas that come on there that was like popular in their hood and shit like that. And they thought that they were the only ones watching BigDBitch.com or, or, or, or, or that are trans porn. So they were like, oh yeah, I'ma get on there because you could not get on my site with no mask, hide in your face. No bitch, if you, if you want me, if you want this high-end motherfucking trans section, we'll put some bitch, you got to get out there and you got to, you got to, you got to show your face. And if you want to get on your knees and service me, you're going to look in that camera and you're going to eat this motherfucking dog. And so those were my demands. And at the time, it was TSE, 6J and me.

41:17We were very, we were in a niche market and we were very, very popular. If you, if you look up and really get into that shit, men will be on their confessing. These were the first girls I had with the first trans sections I ever seen. And this adds to a lot of why a lot of bitches don't like me because bitch, you don't found your nigga me and your nigga browsing history. You don't found me on one of them CDs under the bed. You don't call this shit on downloaded on the phone. You don't allow them and this bitch got all this extra curricular shit on, on, on something, some save video of me from, from years ago. And a lot of trans girls didn't like me either because when they were running to me and men would tell them the first trans section of bitch that I ever saw that was, that was about that, that like that really turned me and really made me like to eat girls was T.S. Madison. Okay, so T.S. stands for trans section. Trans section? Well, that's what it's still for them.

42:17That would mean trans set of Madison. Okay. So what is the proper term? Because now I hear transgender is the main term or Vland, I'm old. I'm old. Now I go, I'm old, but I'm also, I'm still, I still can polish. Transgender is, you know, when I'm growing up, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be you know, when I'm growing up, it was trans section. You were either a pre-out trans section or a post-op. That means you got, you got your pussy or you still got your dick. So I always for a very long time still remain saying that I am a pre-op trans section. Once I started learning like once, once after 2013, I hit the scene, Laverne, hit the scene, Laverne caught. Right. And Laverne, I started learning things from watching Laverne. I started learning terms and just learning because who am I who are talking about trans genderism? Who am I who are talking about? You back then you was either a punk, a faggot, a diet or a sissy.

43:21All the other shit in between like all these labels, like all these proper terms and labels. I learned this stuff going down the line. I'm like, oh, oh. And just like we're going to get into this, just like the word siss, I learned that going down the line like, oh, okay. Because all that shit was new term, they wasn't teaching that shit in our, we wasn't talking about that kind of shit in our. Okay. So for example, a trendy, is that a derogative term at this point or no? As a straight man, you won't post a say that. Okay. Sorry. You don't, but see, that shit don't bother me. You know why don't bother me? But that's me. So I'm looking to come. It doesn't bother me. And just because it doesn't bother me doesn't mean it doesn't bother an entire group of people. But I made money off of that. And so what people were saying, the word training at now, and when I look back at it, it was used to objectify trans women and also fetishized trans women. But you got to understand for me, for me, for me.

44:25I capitalized off of that. Because when you typed in training, I was popping up. And she gave me my motherfucking money. So when you popped up and it's black training, big, dick, training, if you go and I'm not telling you to do it, I'm just to the viewer. You type in right now the word big, dick, bitch. I don't own any of those words. I will pop up me because I worked hard in that. I will pop up. And so big, dick, training, T.S. Man's single pop up. And that's that's why it didn't offend me. But learning, watching LeVern, watching Carmen Carrera, watching all the people that was out in the media, watching all the girls that were occupying the media space, I started saying, oh, okay. And then I got into huge debates with other trans women and stuff like that. Huge debates. The word, I'll give you a lot of history here. The word she mailed.

45:26I made money off that. Training. I made money off that. Lady boy. It was capital for me. And so this is how I got on drag race. They were back then, RuPaul used to have a mini challenge and they would be like, oh, girl, you got she mailed. So there was a big controversy with a logo TV, a value come and all of that stuff because of the word, she mailed like the trans girl started making noise about it. And so I was against them being against the word she mailed. But after learning and understanding, I understood why it was offensive to them. I understood because they weren't sex workers. I was a sex worker. So it didn't offend me. But I'm not the vast majority. And because I'm not the vast majority, I can't say somewhere, be like, oh, they don't bother somebody.

46:26So they just, they just bitching. No, there are girls who didn't want to be objectified as sex objects. I didn't give a fuck about it. Those girls are at the time and it's forgive me. At the time, those girls were struggling. I was not. And so if she mailed, trained in all the other shit, it didn't mean a motherfucker thing to me but a coin. Now that I occupy mainstream media and stuff like that, and when people like you ask me this, I have to always say it doesn't bother me. But it is an offensive word in the community. I remember I went to Thailand at one point and they're a lady boy. They're some real bitches over there. All over the place, right? And what I had explained to me was it was a Buddhist society. And in that society, they feel that if you are a man that felt that he should have been a woman, you should be allowed to express that without any sort of ridicule.

47:26Or hostility and so forth. So you saw trans people just intermixed with society. They were wage, waitresses. They were office workers and it wasn't really a big deal. Were they clocky to you? I mean, you know, you clocked a few of them. I mean, I knew they were trans. Yeah, that means you clocked a few of them. Yeah, you know. Yeah, I knew that. See, a lot of girls get, a lot of girls feel some type of way about being clocked. Yeah. I don't give a fuck about it. I mean, you could tell that there were trans and, you know, that's cool. And it just got me thinking about how different American society is because a trans person working in a, you know, grocery store is a little bit more of a big deal, whereas there is just fully accepted. Well because you said it was a Buddhist society. We built this country on this Christian religion shit. And this is why I'm in the space where I am right now of unlearning all of this stuff because it has caused a riff, a divide, a hate for just not just trans people, black people.

48:27You know what I'm saying? Fat people, you know, gay people, you know. So I just, I don't subscribe to that shit no more. Well there was a web series called The World of Wonder. Oh, yeah, World of Wonder. Those are the creators of RuPaul's Drag Race. Exactly. Which eventually turned into RuPaul's Drag Race. Well they, they, well, World of Wonder is the production company that creates, create it RuPaul's Drag Race. And they also produce, you know, with me the T.S. Massing Experience, my TV show. Right. And RuPaul, who was around for a while, I felt really took off with the drag race. Yeah. What year did the drag race actually start? Oh, 2009, I think it was eight or nine or something like that. Okay. And you were involved in the very beginning, but you became involved later? I became involved throughout the course of the show because of the contestants that were going on the show. A lot of the contestants were going there because I was going viral on the internet. So they would take a lot of my sayings on there.

49:27And RuPaul started following me on social media. And RuPaul loved RuPaul's husband actually was following me on Vine. And was thought I was so funny. And then I did those Vine clips and they were going viral. No wave, no wave 22 inches. I was naked and shit running off to my baggy. I said, hey, let's keep chasing me. And so a lot of the viewers of Vine was like, how does this fat ass lady got a dick? So it was in the confus, it was still in the confused place of how does this fat woman have a dick? And it was like, is this a man? It's it. And Tosh.O took one of my new videos, put it on his show. And I was the dick of the week. Okay. Because I was like, she got a dick, she got a dick, she got a dick, she got a dick. Cause and one of the guys, his name is Makashow. I shouldn't even be showing your ass out. But thank you for my career bitch. But his name was Makashow.

50:29And he was from New Orleans. And he posted the thing. He was like, shigger. That means like a she nigga. A shigger. I've never heard this before. Yeah, okay. She got a dick. She got a dick. She got a whole dick. And so they, so Tosh.O put that on his show and blurred my piece out. And I just was going viral on television. I was going viral on the internet. And so people were using a lot of my slogan. Like I would be online talking, I'd be vlogging and shit like that. And they would use it. And so I would say step your pussy up, which I had, you know, with Nicki Minaj, I was saying step your cookies up or whatever. You know, I was like, you know, she was in the net girl too. So you know, we always in the net girl. So I was like step your pussy up. So they started using that stuff on drag race. And then the girls were referring it back to me. And then after the whole, she got mail, she had she mail.

51:29And I started fussing with the girls who were going back and forth about didn't want to turn on that world of wonder reached out to me. And it was like, hey, you want to come over here do like a little web series? This is called Wait a minute. And I was like, yeah, I went on in LA. And Alyssa Edwards, I went on the list of Edwards show and I did a show with her and then they gave me my own little spin off. And then after that, I started being real big in the world of wonder thing, whatever, part of drag race and all this stuff. And I started growing my mainstream audience through that. And I left porn and shit alone. Right, because you eventually became a permanent judge on RuPaul's Drag Race. Yes. Shout to RuPaul. I love RuPaul's wealthy. Very. I've seen RuPaul's house on TV. Yeah. And I'm like, wow, impressive. I love RuPaul because, but I knew that I was going to be somewhere in RuPaul's life because the spirit spoke to me when I was 14.

52:30I was sitting on the floor in Indian style and the spirit said, I was watching RuPaul work, turn to the left, now turn to the right. The spirit said to me that that was going to be my friend and we were going to work together. I was 14 and it's crazy how that shit don't came into fruition. I'm all at the Emmys. I don't got an Emmys from being with RuPaul's Drag Race. Yes. All of this stuff happened, but I knew this was going to happen to me when I was 14 because the spirit told me that. Well, by 2021, like you mentioned, we TV premiered the T.S. Madison Experience. You were doing RuPaul's Drag Race. And then by the next year, T.S. Madison on Fox Soul. Yeah. I was doing a very more show. It seemed like everything kind of started to finally happen mainstream for you. How did that feel to go from being very underground, very, very niche to now being on major TV stations?

53:31Well, it feels great because I knew the spirit told me this though. Everything that's happening for me, everything that's going on in my life right now, I was told this by the spirit. Now I know people are going to say, like, you crazy or that's the devil blessed you or gave you. No, that's not true. Like, I'm here on a mission. And my mission is to unify people, people of color, people of all sexual crease orientations whatever, because why would I be like out of all the T.S. is in the world? Why would I be the turning point for so many men to say, I like trans women because of her? Like when the documentary, the docu-series, the story of my life unfolds, like there are accountable things that you can go and find of people actually speaking and saying, bitch, this whole reason why I like the girls. And then there are other women who say, ma'am, you've helped me in my confidence as a woman

54:34because I'm a plus sized girl. And I tell bitches to walk in your size. Bitch walk in your size. Walk in your confidence. Be stronger who you are. So a lot of my voice, a lot of my sayings, a lot of my presence has changed popular culture. Regardless of whoever want to give me my grace for it or not, it has impacted popular culture. Shit, Beyonce. Well, that was my next question. So when Beyonce was working on the Renaissance album, she sampled you on the song, Kozy. Yes. So did they reach out first to get the sample cleared or? Yes, actually they did, but they reached out under a pseudo name. Okay. They didn't want to have that big price tag with it. They, no, they're on the... Oh, Beyonce. Millydos. Yeah, under a pseudo name. First. This was a pseudo. This, my, you, Kozy was in the making years before it came out. Okay. I didn't even know this. Like a pseudo name company reached out to me and it would communicate into whatever. And I was like, yeah, you could, you know, sure.

55:36You could sample the video. You know, I went in the basement. And here's, this is how I'm telling you how I know I'm in town. I'm in tune with spirit. A girl named Ayanna Deor had got beaten to gas station. And what did Joyce Floyd get? What did she happen to for Joyce Floyd? Milwaukee? He was in Milwaukee. Joyce Floyd was in Minneapolis. Minneapolis, Minnesota. Minnesota. It was one of the meanies. I don't know. But the same, okay. So the Joyce Floyd murder occurred in Minnesota. The same time that Joyce Floyd was being murdered. A girl named Ayanna Deor in Minnesota was getting beat up a trans girl. And so I saw all the black people mad and angry and fighting, which I'm black people. The man angry and fighting about Joyce Floyd. But they was over there trying to find excuses for why this girl got beat up. They were trying to find all types of fucking excuses on why the trans girl got beaten. I'm seeing this from black people. And I'm like, bitch, you wear black.

56:37No matter if we're fags or trans, sissy, whatever. We're black. How do you don't, how are you not seeing the same injustice for this trans girl that you see for Joyce Floyd? Is it because it's your ownness doing it? It's your own black people that's beating her, stomping her in the gas station. I watched him hold this girl head and was beating this girl in her head, beating her, like beating this girl. It was so many people beating this trans girl and everybody standing around watching it. I was so mad. The spirit told me, bitch, go in your basement and rant. And I went in my basement and I ran to it. I did not know that that was going to be on Beyoncé's album. But I follow what the spirit told me to fucking do. Well, when you find out it was going to be on Beyoncé's album, how'd you feel? Oh shit, honey, where's the money? See, that's Beyoncé. What the hell is that girl? You know, and so... Had you already signed the...

57:39No, I hadn't signed anything. Or the first part for them to sample, yes. I had signed for the sample, but I had to sign for clearance for it to be on the album. And somebody that is so, this is when my attorneys and stuff like that, I was in Costa Rica. On vacation and my attorney, I kept getting the email and I was like, and I didn't read the bottom of the email. When I saw the bottom of the email and they said, Parkwood, I said, oh shit, oh, yes. Come on, girl, what a zero set. You know, and so I got my attorneys involved. And the rest was history. Okay. I met Beyoncé. You met Beyoncé, I was going to ask. I had a good time. Beyoncé, I listened. I love Beyoncé. I love Beyoncé to the floor. I love her dad. I love her mom. I love you. I'm saying Angie, you know, like they like, like, you know, family shit. You know, I pick up my phone and text and communicate and chop it up and shit, you know.

58:42Yeah. I was star struck around Beyoncé. And you know, I mean, everybody, but standing next to Beyoncé, like backstage, at least she keeps concert, it was like, yeah, that's Beyoncé. That's the power. That's Beyoncé right there. That's Beyoncé. Three feet away from me. Wow. Okay. My first words to her, when I, when I had the chance to like really kick it with her, my first words to her were, uh, bitch. They say Beyoncé all on his mouth like, look up. And she fell in my arms and we laughed and keyed like that was like, it was a day. Do you have a Grammy for that song? I got a Grammy certificate. Yes. Certificate. Yeah. They're still a Grammy. Still a Grammy. Still a Grammy. Okay. So you're now on drag race. You had your own show. What happens next right around 2025 with everything that's happening.

59:44It's so good for you. I produced a show on Fox. So it's called Turn That With T. It's Madison. Um, I produced two seasons that I licensed that to them. So to the bitch that's talking to my son that I, my show got canceled. No bitch, I licensed that to them. I owned that. I understood about licensing and, and, and having control over your, your intellectual property. I understand it like you know how that, you know how that shit works. Yeah. About being ownership of your shit. Um, 2025. Shit. Everything. Well, you were just hilarious. Oh, damn. Yeah, and I just interviewed Jess. And, uh, it was basically, uh, a conversation she had about who is and who is not a woman. Blessing Rose said that biological women do not own women hood. Nordstrom Rack is celebrating 125 years of Nordstrom with 125 of the best deals up to 65%

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1:01:47Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have newer, worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Ebglyss. Before starting Ebglyss, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Paid partnership with Lily. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about Ebglyss and visit Ebglyss.com or call 1-800-LilyRX or 1-800-545-5979. Okay, yeah, right, right. You can just literally just just print that out, put that up. You understand? Yeah. I said it. But yeah. T.S. Madison, that quote is laughable as fuck. But it is straight comedy to be honest. But T.S. Madison, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. T.S. jumped in. And before this situation, T.S. and I were actually cool, like cordial and,

1:02:49and yeah, like, yeah, and then T.S. saw that and T.S. ain't like that. So T.S. made a video. And I'm trying to remember where I was at. I was, yeah, I was in Atlanta. And after T.S. made like a series of videos on me, a video that went viral, like based off of my response to blessings, quote, or whatever, whatever. T.S. jumped in my DM and it was like, we need to have a conversation. I was like, not, not, ain't no conversation now. Because you could have hit me when you saw what I said back the year. But you went online, you took it and I know you got to be a representative of your folks. You know what I'm saying? I understand that. Like you, you the leader in charge, you the head. You know what I'm saying in charge. Go ahead, do your thing. What's your take on that whole back and forth? First of all, I watched your interview with Jess.

1:03:51She lied about what? Well, she said that I picket her or I don't give a fuck about what she's doing. I don't like the fact of the matter that she tried to make this thing like it was me against her when it was never that. Yeah, we were cool. We were really cool because she watched my, she watched a clip from my show, the T.S. Mastersfield. She watched the clip about my dad and I remember her saying that. And we were talking in the inbox about it and shit like that or whatever. And we were good. I would like her shit, share her shit. We will be talking, we will be talking. So blessing roles, I think her name, blessing roles, had a conversation about who owns the autonomy over womanhood. I heard clips of it, whatever. And when I heard the clip, you know, I was in a greeence at first when I heard the clip,

1:04:56I was in a greeence with the way all the, like all the females were outraged. And I'm like, well, how the fuck can you say that women don't have, you know, control over womanhood? Like bitch, how, that's impossible. They're females on how that, what I listened to the clip in totality and blessings was saying, yo, you got to understand that there are females that don't identify as females, they identify as trans men. And so trans men exist under the umbrella. So it's like, oh, women who transition to men, women who transit females who transition to male, right? They steal our female, but their identity is male. What trans men? Yeah, they take hormones. What's your name? That what atrists? She was? No, she was in the Odyssey movie. Oh, well, it's a he now. He, you know, talk about, she was in Juno originally.

1:05:59He is Elliot Page. Elliot Page. Elliot Page. There you go. Elliot Page is a trans men, but Elliot Page was born female. Right. So Elliot Page still gets a period. Okay. Elliot Page still gets a period, but Elliot Page's identity is male. It's trans men. So you can't exclude trans men from getting from having periods. So, so I understood what bless it was saying. So my thing was I was like, well, I understood what Jess was saying from from first hearing it. I'm on Jess said, like, how the fuck is I'm tired of a lot of these, of a lot of the trans stuff that's hitting the airwaves and it's falling back on black trans women. I get tired of this bullshit with like all this crazy shit with these people got these beers and shit and they walking in the bathroom talking about, oh, I'm trans. Oh, I'm a woman. Oh, I'm a real woman. I like, ah, nah, nah, sir.

1:07:01No, ma'am. I get exhausted with that type of shit. So I'm over here like, damn, why is this person doing this shit to call to stir more clickbait amongst, you know, division from black women and the trans people like, why the fuck? After listening to it, I was like, oh, yeah. Well, bless it was explaining that trans men exist. So my fight was for trans men existing and still having period. I said, the only thing I said was just could have said instead of saying woman, female, because they all fall under female. The sex is female. The gender is trans male. My sex is male. My identity is trans woman. So it's a difference between that and what people don't want to understand is the differences between sex and gender. So that's what it was. So this bitch get her motherfucking meteor man looking to ask up here.

1:08:07She said that was funny by the way. Yeah, it was. She said the Robert Taus and Jeb was fine. Yeah, that bitch is a little like Robert Taus and in the face. This bitch get her meteor man looking to ask up here and start like, you know, going and I'm like, yo, you're the one that got online and said that I'm motherfucking rapper got in your inbox and said that you that he thought you was the dude and wanted to suck your big dick. So bitch, don't get on here. You don't want to told us that whether you were joking or not. And then all the other people around be calling you dude and you even if they joking with you or not, obviously you have some type of masculine energy because she set up on this show hunt and giving dude energy. And I'm like, damn, so you can't see why people saying that you, you know, like you are strong dyke or something like that. A strong ass fucking dude. Did you academic secuse your beings trans? Yeah. I never said he always assumed that she was trans until he found out of that. Well, that's because you're doing them out of a big day. That's because they beefing. I know she a female. Yeah. But they be a baby.

1:09:08I mean, I mean, I mean, here's the thing. We weren't beefing at first. The beef came when she started saying, oh, I took it from the inbox to the thing. No, ma'am, I reached out to her on a constant basis. Constantly before I even, I was like, girl, you could have said female, but I wasn't policing her words. I'm trying to explain to her to see it from the perspective of trans men exist trans women exist trans men exist. Oh, so anytime she get the opportunity to jab me so she, she, she, she started jabbing. I can't help that my mouth is fucking vicious. I got a vicious dance mother fucking mouth. And so you think that you're going to get on the breakfast club and throw a jab at me and I'm not going to jab your ass back. Sorry, sir. Bitch, you're crazy. You can serve me and he me all day. But when people are talking about me, when they're reading me, they're saying, I'm a fat ass, a beat up version of look him, a fat ass, beat up version of Lizzo, a beat up version,

1:10:10they can find all beat up versions of women that they can, they call me the beat up version of these women. When they refer to your strong throat ass bitch, they calling you a nigga. Well, your voice, what, when I listen to you, you sound like a female. Is that your normal voice? Is that your normal voice? Is that my normal voice? Okay, she's always sounded like this. You didn't get anything done to your vocal cords or anything. I ain't getting none done. You know, I ain't getting none done. Vlad, I'm comfortable. I promise you, I promise you, cozy was about me. I'm comfortable in my skin. I'm comfortable with all the scars. I'm comfortable with my big dick. I'm comfortable with all the things that these people try to use as perjuretives against me. I'm comfortable with my big hands, my big feet, my big wallet, my big houses, my big cars, my big bank. I'm comfortable with all my motherfucking ass. So it's nothing out there that they're saying about me that makes me, you know, feel a way. I try because I hold spotlight and I hold platform to try to say, hey, you know, all trends women may not be as comfortable as me.

1:11:12All trends women may not be as confident in who they are as me. So when people are presenting as she respect the message, my fucking car, me, he and stuff like that, if I don't, if we have an conversation, are you hearing me, hearing me? Hey, and that's how you feel. I'ma get up and go because I'm not going to try to change you from what you see how you feel. We just don't need to interact. Remember that one video, one viral a few weeks ago, and it was like, it was a trans female. She was like, stop misjundering me. She remember, like, he was going to like, taste her like, no, no, stop. And it was just like, like a total meltdown over that. She! She! She, she! She! She! Stop. Stop. She's gonna lick me. Do trans females really have a problem with misjundering? Yes. That's important. When you look at that video, what do you feel when you see that?

1:12:12See, now you've had to get me to trouble. Okay. When I look at that video and I see that, I see someone that needs to get, that needs to become comfortable and understanding that they exist in the world where people may not see what they see. Right. Because it was, to me, this was not someone that really tried to present themselves as a female, look like a guy with a wig, right? Me too. To be fair. I shared, I saw it too. Right. So why are you so upset if they're calling you he? Because what we saw, they probably don't see themselves as that. You know what I'm saying? And I just feel like the girls need to get in the space where they're comfortable and understanding that people are not going to see what you see yourself as. They're not going to see that. Like, am I fucking, maybe I say, I see a whole dude up there. Okay. Don't get fucked about what you see. Because when I lay down in the bed or when I go home or stick the key in the door, I know what I see and I know who I am and who rolls around in the bed with me. See exactly what I fucking see.

1:13:14And you got to get to a space where you comfortable with that type of shit. You know, I'm almost 50. If you see a man, hey, that's I hate. Hey, I can't help what you fucking see. When I put on these heels, these lashes, this dress and motherfuckin' and I thought these big ass teeth is in the bra and tip to my side. What navigates or gravitation me is what I fuck with. What don't fuck with me, I don't fuck with it. You know, but if we're occupying spaces, this is my thing with just you and the public, I'm in the public eye. You got a big platform, I got a big platform. I'm not going to sit up here and let you try me and let you say all types of shit to me and I'm not going to say nothing back. You know, do I got pressure with her? No. I don't got an impression with her. Will I cut some motherfuckin' ass out? Yes. Do I have pictures and video and stuff? Of what? Of things. What kind of things? Am your niche. Okay.

1:14:14Watch it. Well, you're the situation with the deal whisperer. Oh, who's that? Who's that? Yeah. Didn't you file a... I did. Like a stocking harassment or something. I did. And we did the work, everything. What was that over though? Because I went on the Nini... I went on Nini League's podcast. I sat with Nini League's. I sat on the Nini League's show. Nini, ask me just like you asked me. Do you only date gay men or do you only know gay men? And I said gay men don't date me. Gay men don't date me. Men who identify as homosexual do not date me. I don't date men who identify as homosexual. We're not dating each other. Those men that identify as homosexual are dating other homosexual men. And so this... It's easy. It's easy.

1:15:14You start bashing trans people. You start saying things about trans people. That's an easy click. That's an easy view. That's an easy... If you want to waive a new followers? Oh, shit. Look how they want an election. You want to waive a new followers. A waive a new... Start bashing trans. Start calling trans women men. Start saying you date delusional. Start doing that. Watch your nimbus up tick. So, we had that. And then it became... It got out of control. And the gentleman decided that he wanted to. You know, he wanted to fight. I'm going to beat you. You know, I'm going to put on... I'm captain and savor woman. I'm savor women from trainings like you. All these men, these men, these are gay. They need to say they gay. I'm this bullshit. And so it became that. And, you know, I called the motherfucking police. And I... Listen, if a bitch I did, and it's worth it, they're going to jump on trash and attack me.

1:16:14I'm calling the motherfucking police. Because I'm calling the police so that I don't have to shoot you. Because I will shoot you. I'm a licensed to care. I got an AK, an OUZ, and every motherfucking fire arm that you can think of. And I do know how to use it. Because I go to the gun range. And I know how to use the motherfuckers. Well, you've hinted that you've slept with some celebrity men. I mean, all trans-sicks, majority of trans women have, especially a trans woman of my caliber. Okay. So, A-list actors? Um... Rappers? Um, they're not supposed to say nothing. They're men. She. They're men. I don't give a fuck about them, Niggas. I don't care about them. They rich. They ain't changed my fucking life. They paid me for a service. I gave them a service. And we went on about our business. Were you surprised? No. No. They're men. They're men. So, what is it? When you have been in the secular life, like I've been in the secular life,

1:17:14and seen all walks of Niggas, white Niggas, black Niggas, Jewish Niggas, Christian Niggas, Bummaw. When you've seen all that type of shit, that wasn't man that's different. That man. I say this all the time. I don't think that all men are gay. I don't think that all men are trans-attracted. But I think if you did get hard, and that motherfucker will move if somebody move that bitch. So, I don't trust Niggas. I don't trust none of them. I don't put none past them. That's the women I did that put shit past. Oh, my man won't do this. He won't do this. But then I don't know what the fuck you would do. You're a dick hard. I don't know what the fuck you do. I don't see Niggas fuck ugly bitches. I walk the streets and I got in the car with a motherfucker crack head and a prostitute being a me and a woman. Well, working the street together, this bitch was a bum, a crack head. And I was in the backseat. She was in the front seat. And I watched the nigga roll over from the front seat of his car. Put that whole legs up on the ceiling like this.

1:18:15Got in there and fuck that bitch raw. And I said, oh, my God. And I'm in the backseat looking at his homeboy. His homeboy looking at me like, well damn. He ain't put no rub on. No, no, no, no care in the world. Roll over in the seat and head that crack head bitch feet to the ceiling fuck toe. When I see shit like that, I know I don't trust it. If a dick get hard, it'll work. And so, that's bitches out there. That's a bitch problem. A bitch, I gotta say this. That's a bitch problem. A bitch problem got to sit up there and worry about it. Huh? Or worry about it. Well, I'm putting the council. My man won't do this. I don't know. I'm just fucking nigga do. If you go through this world of faking and knowing that you don't know what the fuck a nigga do, you, you, you, you won't be sitting up here worried about who gay who not because you don't know what the fuck he'll do. Well, in the trans community, the biggest thing that's happened recently was the Sydney star arrest. Oh, yeah. I've interviewed Sydney twice.

1:19:16And originally Sydney became famous for the Chiggy story. Right? I interviewed Chiggy multiple times. Just did him again. I watched him. And it was a messed up situation, right? Because, look, as celebrities, we go around, we take pictures with everybody, right? I don't leave the house without taking three or four photos that day before I come home. And I don't really care who I take photos with. If you come up to me and ask for a photo, I'll take a photo with you. So Sydney was one of the dancers at the club. Ask for a photo with Chiggy. Chiggy said sure. The photo was taken. And a while later, Sydney put it out and said, oh, me and Chiggy are having a secret romance. Which was not true. Me and Chris had a show. I think Twister was there as well in Chicago. Before Chris went on, you know, me and the crew and everybody, you know, we going on stage. We feeling the goal up there and going on stage. Fuck with Chris. And just check the show out. Well, with some girls who we thought was our girls

1:20:17on stage and body paint dancer. While I'm on stage, one happened to ask, say they a fan of mine and won a picture. I took the picture. Next thing you know, two years later, all of this false stuff comes out. Nobody knows nothing about. And that's literally how that went. It's nothing else to it. Which caused me to lose a record deal that I have been working on for years. Sydney later actually acknowledged on my show that she lied. She was just trying to get, you know, some clout and so forth. The time that I put that story out was probably like two years after very... when we took those pictures together. And I know that sounds crazy. But I had a lot of people in my ears. I had a lot of people saying, like, girl, do you know who-who-who-who? If you do this, maybe you're going to be on top. You're going to be all over the blocks.

1:21:19And I was like, hmm, I have been trying to get out there like that. Because this backup dance and thing I ain't been doing too good. Like, I've been doing these gigs here and there. But it ain't been getting me where I want to be. It's been getting me a lot of, around a lot of celebrities. I will admit that. But I kind of got tired of being the one, oh, can I take a picture with you? Like, I want to be the one that you're asking to take a picture with me. So, like, I think, at that time I was younger. I was really dumb-minded, young-minded. And I did it. I was like, you know what? Let's do this shit. And in the process, Chinky was, you know, lost a major record deal. And people talked about a shit about him and so forth. He always denied it. And ultimately, it was true. He never had any sort of relationship whether it was just a picture. Number one, how do you feel about that situation as a trans person?

1:22:19As a trans person, again, shit like that makes me angry. Because of the things that already come with us in the community. They already feel like that we loud men because a lot of men are going to always say, I didn't know. When 99.99% of the time, they know. And when that shit first happened, I remember it plainly. Because I was sitting at home. And I was like, first of all, I didn't think that she was a trans. I thought she was a girl at first. Yeah, she was a girl. Yeah. At first. At first, I was like, nah, this is why she's doing this stupid ass shit. And then at the first, at the further transvestigation. Transvestigation. At the further transvestigations. I was like, oh yeah, this is a mother-fucking. This is a girl. This is a male. She born male. Yeah, she's pre-op, right? Yeah, she's pre-op, right? And she's, I think she's pre-op. I think so. I think so. And so I was mad about it

1:23:19because I was like, girl, why the fuck is she doing this? But then she was so young back then. Like, wasn't she like in her teens or 20s or she was young? And I'm looking at it and I'm saying, like, why the fuck is she out here doing this to this day? I mean, like loud on this man. Well, and this leads us to her more recent situation. Where she met a 13 year old boy in a hotel lobby. Fucked out. Took him up to her room. We're not exactly sure what happened, but it was some sort of sexual activity. The police came, arrested her. I guess a condom fell out of her pocket. Yeah. They found out the boy was extremely young. 13. I guess he didn't know that she was trans. She claims that he approached him. You know, she, the boy approached her. Listen, I understand some people look mature for their age, but you know a 13 year old boy. You know a 13 year old boy. Yeah. Maybe if he said 17, maybe 16, maybe you got a fold.

1:24:22At 13, you know what the hell a 13 year old boy is. No, you know a 13 year old boy that doesn't mature as fast as women. You know a 13 year old boy. So this is my thing, right? As old as she is. And as passable as she is. She should be used to men. You should be used to men. She's 37. Yeah, bitch, you are almost 40. So you should be used to men. You not been fucking niggas for a long time. Motherfucking time. So bitch, if you been fucking niggas for a long time, you know, you should know boys or no men when you see a fucking man or a boy. You like, you should know. And like, they shouldn't be exciting you like this. Now, do I believe that she did it here? I believe it because I know that she's, she boy, she boy thirsty. Really? That bitch is boy thirsty. We were shooting a pilot for a show back in the day. This is before my TV show got picked up. We were shooting a pilot for a show

1:25:24they was trying to do like a trans housewives of Atlanta. So they shot it in my house. And it was me, Shanna Brooks. I met Shanna Brooks before. Yeah, me, me, Shanna Brooks for listening to our Trishet, Kennedy Logan, and I can't remember. It was so bad. They was on. And bitch, you all know, ain't lying. They was on VTV die, right around in the mother fucking Uber picking up boys and shit like that. Kicking it with boys. Like underage boys? No, not underage boys. Just boy hungry. Okay. Like boy hungry. Yeah. Like as a trans, we're, we're mid, we're male magnets. Just because we trans, it's just something about us that pulls niggas. I don't give a fuck what it is. You could be the ugliest, masculine, this, all this brickies one. You're gonna put, it's just something about that

1:26:25that magnetically brings men. And you should, all the attention you get as a trans person, you shouldn't be so nigga hungry, so first thing for fucking boys. And you wouldn't have got caught up in no shit like that. That's how I feel. Well, yeah, because at this point, when you see her and Cori, it'll be gone. Yeah. She doesn't look like a girl anymore. I don't know what she looked at. I know that. I know if you know, if that shit's thick, that bitch gone. Listen, people are like photoshopping beers on her face. Yeah, see that? That bitch gone. Then it wouldn't get me, because I like my niggas old. I like them older. I've always liked the older mother fucking me. And I like them older. I like them bitch when we, when we fucking, we both getting tired. I need them to say bitch, I can't fucking them. Because I'm tired. I gotta get them going to work in the mother fucking morning. Shit. Did that bother you as a trans person? Yes. Because now, her being kind of the face of trans people right now. Yeah. And you guys being painted as petafiles. You're aggravating me because they were trying to loop me in that bullshit too. I was watching bitches having commentary saying shit like,

1:27:29well, where's T.S. message? Why T? I was actually, again, on vacation in Antigua. And when I got the news, I opened up my phone. It was like sitting in style. It was caught with a 13 year old boy. I was like, ooh, shit, I don't know. I don't know if that's like, I didn't know because I was, I woke up in another country. And you know, bitches be spamming crazy shit in your comments section. You don't know what the fuck. So I was like, ooh, I don't know about that. I don't, I didn't really believe that shit. You know what I'm saying? At first, I didn't. But then I'm like, hold on. They kept spamming it. And I said, well, I don't know about her. So my first reaction was, well, I don't know about her, but I like my niggas to be mother fucking old niggas. That was my response at first. But then after I started hearing and seeing the shit, the headlines run to cause I said, ooh, that bitch gone. And I stopped fucking with her because she said, she said her mother fucking ass over there. We touched your K-Ball here, big, mold, face ass, and gonna say and let that bitch get online and tell mother fucking people

1:28:30that I called over there to stop the interview. I don't give a fuck what no bitch doing. I get money. So if a bitch out there, sitting down on the interview talking about me, suck my dick. I don't give a fuck what a bitch is doing. I don't care about no shit like that. And so when all of that shit went and rolling down and touch K-Ball's up there saying, yeah, bitch, you call. You call and trying to stop the interview. I'm like, put that so I don't give a fuck what no other you bitches is doing. You always get eat, dick, and die. I don't give a fuck what none of y'all are doing. I'm getting money. I'm doing my thing. And I was hot with Sydney. And I said, bitch, you could have got on the internet and clear that shit up because you didn't call and you didn't get on the internet and tell those people to hear something call me. She called me while I was in the car. What we was coming from? No, we was coming from what city we was working in? Austin. We was coming from Austin. I had just got me a nasty bag in Austin, Texas. I was getting ready to buy me another house

1:29:31with a motherfucker, a big a pool. And so we coming home and so Sydney called me. She said, yeah, I'm sitting here with, uh, with Tashi K. I'm like, oh, okay. Okay, tell the whole of suck my dick. Fuck that pussy, asshole. I'm gonna fuck that pussy. I'm gonna fuck that motherfucker. I'm gonna fuck that motherfucker. It is Thai, foot dragon, it's cocky. I kid having that bitch. Fuck that hole. So I remember me saying this. Fuck her. And so I'm talking to her on the phone and say, okay, like, okay. Like, I don't give a fuck. So this bitch, you know, her thing, and she used that to sell her interview. And so it was all this stuff over the internet about how TSNS was trying to call and stop sitting and start bagging and all this stuff. And so I felt the way. And I made a video. I cussed her fucking ass out. I unfollowed her and shit like that because it was like, girl, you had the opportunity to go and clear that shit up and you decided to let the headlines run. All you whos could suck dick and die. This episode is brought to you by Nordstrom. For 125 years, Nordstrom has been part of your story,

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1:32:34You know, your knees got all these shit in there. Look at all knees and look at a woman's knees. They weigh strong. Sit yo' fuckin' A is down. Go gettin' that pool with Michael Phil. Yeah. Yeah. See how well you do there? Yeah, go on the gon' gon' gon the gon' gon' gon' gon' gon' get outta fuckin' football for ya. Wait, cheer my Smith. And be a Gunna bag bich! What does your take of a biological male who goes into women's sports. Because they're trans. Okay, here's where it gets difficult with me. And here's where the trans community probably gonna buzz a bottle on the ground at me. I'm not a girl into sports. So it's really not that big of a deal for me. And I can't answer that in the exact way that would be politically correct for the girls. I feel as though that once you've been on hormones for a long period of time or a certain amount of time, like jazz, like you know the girl,

1:33:35jazz gin is in Florida. I did jazz gin and she was a young, and she transitioned when she was around about seven, five or some shit like that. So it's jazz gin and she's from Florida. I did the jazz gin and show. And I watched her over the course of her life go from a little boy to a woman. So it's different when you don't been on hormones this long period of time. Jazz, look jazz up there on the tip. What's the name? Jazz, your jazz, your ZZ gin is different when you growing up from that young all the way up to be like a girl. Oh girl, you know what I'm saying? Like she transition so young. So her body structure and shit is kind of like different. And a lot of those girls that are into that sport stuff don't grow as being transitioning for a longer and fucking time. And so the body structure, the bone mass, whatever may change, I don't know. But for me, I feel, fight me bitch.

1:34:36I feel that if there were enough of us, we could have our only, we could have our own. But it's not enough. It's like, it's like out of 500,000, I think it's maybe eight athletes, eight. Yeah, well, I mean, there was that one swimmer. That was like a male that entered, I think it was a bunch of high school swim, you know, swim meets and end up winning everything. And there was a bunch of girls that were really crying and upset because they had been training all these years. And this person who, I don't think it'd been transitioning very long because they looked like a male. She didn't know. And when Goen was winning first place, first place, first place and these girls are in tears because it's like, oh, we, you know, so I feel in the same way that you don't want to have someone take steroids competing as people who are not taking steroids. Having someone as biologically a man competing with someone who's biologically women

1:35:37is an unfair advantage. Well, again, it depends on how long they've been on hormones and stuff like that, you know, because if they come from, from what she has come from, it is different. So for me, I'm not into the sport that do I, I feel like, I really wish we had the ability to have our own. Yeah, I mean, even Caitlin Jenner, who used to be Bruce Jenner, who was a Olympic athlete at one point even said that it's unfair. And girl, child Bruce Lindon, don't know what the fuck she want to be. She don't know if she want to be Caitlin the Bruce or whatever the fuck. She's so anti-trans, but yeah, the trends, she's a white hoe that got white privilege and thought that it was just gonna, you know, now she's a, I feel like that Caitlin got up into geese because somebody told her, you know, this is the thing to do. I put, hey, do you got any stuff? I feel like she was a date. You know how the dates back in the day, hi, do you have any stockings you can put me in?

1:36:37Do you have any, do you have any bras or panties that you can wear? You know, cause I used to get them kind of dates back in the day too, they used to want to put on these stockings of shit and then the motherfuckers get trapped in that bush shit. And then she's an old ass bitch that got trapped in stockings and shut out to a, what's his name, Golden Boy Promotions. Oscar Nilla Hoyer. Vroomelos pictures of Oscar Nilla Hoyer. I'm the meaning. And the heels and shit like that. The fishnet body. See, I didn't get trapped in that shit. I believe she got trapped in that bush shit. And then decided that she wanted to go, cause she, she want to, she a lesbian and everything. Cause you know, transgender is not a sexuality. It's an identity. Well, yeah, cause, cause Caitlin was in a relationship with a woman. Yeah. So what exactly is happening here? Well, she was a, she was a trans. So she's a trans lesbian? Yeah. I don't understand that bush shit. This is a heterosexual trans sexual. Okay. Me. That's what I, I'm a heterosexual trans

1:37:39sexual. I like motherfucking me. Did you ever follow the Mr. C story? I did follow the Mr. C story. Mr. C it was an interesting situation, right? Because at the time, Vlad TV had a news website as well. So we would cover a lot of new stuff. It wasn't just interviews. So when the Mr. C rumors and so forth started coming out, we were covering it. And I remember Mr. C called me up and he was all pissed off and he was denying it. I don't know who that is. This Kishie. I don't know nothing about it. They are all dead. Did not tell you. That's what they doing. I'm like, look, you want to come and talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I said, okay, that's fine. That's up to you, but we still going to cover it. I remember, I did an interview at Hot 97 and I was with a friend of mine, Maeson. Funk Flex called Maeson and said that he's blackballed from the station because the shit that I was saying, I'm Mr. C. And then Mr. C actually got caught with the transgender who recorded him and put it out. And at that point, it was all out of the open.

1:38:40Now he couldn't deny it. And he's going to interview accepting it all and so forth. Why do you think that some of the commissioner C denied, denied, denied, denied, denied? You got caught, okay, yes, truth. Well, I think somebody like Mr. C, he represents a lot of men. Like a lot of men can't do it because who can you, how are you going to be able to tell or come out and say, I like a variety of women. I like a variety of women. Variety of women includes trans women, fat women, skinny women, ugly bitches, cute bitches, whatever, bitches with dicks. I like a variety of women and somebody really accepts that. I am a very pro. This is why I don't get into that, not telling the mother fuck what you is. Because I'm very pro and being on. You got to like me for exactly what I am and what I got. I can't fuck with you. Because now what you making me do is go back in the clouds. I ain't been in the clouds of bitches.

1:39:41I was in the teenager bitch. You not making me go back in the clouds. With Mr. C, I was angry with that whole thing with Mr. C because Mr. C got on the radio and apologized to the fucking, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the. What was that station he was on? Well, he was on, and he said, yeah, he apologized to all the niggas up there, a hot 97. And then he got, he started apologizing to all the New York. I say, nigga, the only mother fucker that you should have been apologizing to is your wife and your kids. You should have been on your knees or apologizing to your wife and your kids for hiding that shit from her from all that long period of mother fucking time. And you should have been apologizing to your kids for not explaining to them that you, that you've always liked the variety of women. You don't took this woman on this whole journey with your ass, done marital, and now you are her second dick, getting fucked and shit like that or whatever the hell you're, I was in that car doing. You've been out here doing this shit for years. When there are people out there, bitches and niggas are like, if you tell them this what you into, there are people that are being into that shit with you.

1:40:43Right. That's why I'm at with it. If the don't take away a person's right to be like, I'm with this, I'm not with it. You feel me? And at the end of the day, I understand. I'm a Libra. So it balance, this is the way it balance with me. I understand the way you have to conceal some shit like that because you wanna walk the straight and narrow path or walk the traditional life like, or walk biblically. A man and a woman puts her be together, he pulls the get married, he pulls it to the other, but you also have these desires and shit like that. The person that I'm dating right now that I'm with, is that, we don't get into all that. We don't do that. His mama don't like me. And he said to me, well, shit, that's something she gonna have to, you know what I'm saying? She may have to deal with that shit because it is what it is. And I sit and I have really deep conversations with him because when we're talking, I ask him, I say, I weep for you.

1:41:48He said, what the fuck are you weeping for me for? I said, I weep for you because I don't know what it's like. I've only known men. I've only known to like love men. I don't know what it's like to be a man that likes a variety of women that likes biowomen and transwomen. I don't know what that's like. So most men you date like biological women and transwomen? Yes. Bisexual, I guess, sort of. I don't know this. That's the idea. Whatever they are doing is I don't know. But what I do know is this. I do know that that is possibly a burden that a man may have to drag with him for the rest of his life. Or that's a thing that he has to carry that like this is some shit that he wanna act out on that he can't that he's confined to or if he get an opportunity to have an experience it's somewhat fuckers that he even had. That's probably sitting up watching that shit jerking and jerking and jerking and jerking and fucking jerking. Why you think transpoin is like up there in the beehives and beehives and tree is a fucking view jerking and jerking

1:42:50and jerking and shit? And because they they wanna do it and they can't or then they get the opportunity to do it. You know how many times I'm not fucking untouched me and just nutted. Oh, I'm like, you alright? Okay. Are you okay? I just, I just, I could not, I don't know what it's like to be a man that likes a variety of women. All I like is fucking me. I'm a trans woman that all I know is me. Remember the Eddie Murphy story? Uh huh. Eddie Murphy claimed that he saw a woman crying on the sidewalk and he pulled over in his Lamborghini and gave her right home because he felt sorry for her. Then he got pulled over and it was a trans woman in the car with him. When he did his documentary that far it was omitted. You know what it's that? I noticed that. Do you know anything about that story? Well, didn't one of them magically fell out of Wendell? Uh yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. One of them magically fell out of Wendell.

1:43:51They were the fire escape. But she fell out of Wendell and she did it. And the story sounds so familiar like the Teddy Pindegraz story. That shit sound like, you know, Teddy, no, Teddy Pindegraz? Teddy Pindegraz, he gave a trans woman a ride home and he ended up with no legs after that. Okay. This shit. That's so, you know, listen, again, Vlad, I don't know what it's like to be a man that's attracted to a variety of women because men that like trans women don't see us as men. The bitches do. But men that like trans women don't see us as men. They see us as women or trans women. Final question for her, let you go. You knew that you were trans at what age? Early. I knew I was different. I didn't know what to call it. Okay. Because I had been called everything. I had been already called a girl. You girl. You fat, you girl. I had already been called a girl. So, 78, 9. Girl. My grandmother used to be doing like this.

1:44:52I would see their hands and shit doing this. Okay. And I was like, what the fuck is that mean? What the fuck is that? And you know why I feel a way towards Boosey? We didn't ever get into that Boosey stuff. I want to talk about my mother. Go ahead. I feel a way towards Boosey because she said about getting his 13-year-old son's and their few dick sucked by them grown ass bitches. They got their grown pedophilic ass down and sucked. They fucked them niggas. And all of me and down there in the comments, thinking that that shit is fucking normal. Do you know how many sexual deviants, men get created after being getting their dick sucked and fucking when they're young and shit like that. And then the bitches that was over there agreeing with that shit trying to figure out why my man don't have no emotions. Why he don't got no connections to me? Why you cause some grown ass woman, some grown bitch dumpin' over his sucking on his 13-year 12-year-old dick because his dad had them brought him in there trying to make a man out

1:45:53of him. Yeah, I don't agree with that part. I don't think we might as a son and a daughter. You can't because this is what you create. And that reason why I feel the way about that because my grandparents, my uncle, them used to be like, I'm young. You ain't got you no pussy. You ain't fuck no pussy yet. I'm like bitch, I want to be a kid. Now you want me to fuck pussy? You ain't got you no pussy. You know you got them zits and shit in the box of shit in your face. You know pussy, a clear that pussy will clear them zits and shit up. Which is not true by the way. Yes, not. But this is what men do. They talk about how gays and trans are groomed. Straight people are the biggest groomers of kids ever. You got your young ass son out here. Oh, he gonna be, he gonna have all the girls. He gonna, you got your daughter out here. That's how little boy and friend. That's grooming. You got, you already raised it. They motherfucking ass up to have 100 girls.

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1:48:58Digger, see the Trin Long Island, now playing only in Peter, Trichardore. Under 17, I'm in with our parent. Well, last question. We live in a society right now where being gay and being trans is a lot more accepted than it was. We were kids. Naked death for real? Oh. Well, I think so. I think so. You see imagery in cartoons now and so forth. Oh, when you have a child that's still relatively young, 10, 11, 12 years old, even 13 years old, and they feel that they want to be trans, do you think that there should be a cutoff? Do you think that taking hormones under 18 should be illegal or do you think, based on what you went through yourself, that you should have been allowed to take hormones as a kid? I'm going to give you my honest answer on that. When I met, I had to reflect back to Jazz Jenny. When I met Jazz and I met her family and I saw how supportive they were.

1:50:00They raised Jazz as a girl. I couldn't do that in the house. Jazz is, you look the jazz. Jazz looked like a woman. I started transitioning 17, 18, 19, in the show. Almost an adult. Yeah. Almost an adult. You feel me? I had the opportunity to live my life as a gay boy, a butch queen or whatever we called a bad deal and I understood that that's not what I was, but I had the opportunity to do that. I'm torn because I feel like if I had the opportunity to grow up as a girl like and be a woman now, I wouldn't have to keep getting fucking electrioluses and laser hair removal and all this type of shit. I would be more softer. I would like to have the ability to be more softer had I been moaning or taking, you know what I'm saying, like doing the things at a younger age. But I also, on the other hand, appreciate me having the opportunity of growing up and

1:51:06being and knowing that, okay, this is what I don't want. I don't want to do this. I ain't never been with no woman. I don't want to be with no woman. I don't want to get in with the woman. You've never been with the woman. I don't want to have sex with no girl. I'm not attracted to women. I'm not sexually attracted to women. So I don't want to be there. I know what I am. And so I'm torn with that. I'm torn with that. I wish I would have had the same opportunity it was awarded to Jack. I guess just as someone who has kids, I have a boy and a girl. And I remember growing up myself, you don't really understand sexuality as a kid. You don't. Right? You know, before I had sex with girls, I'm like, am I gay? Am I not gay? I don't think I'm gay. But then I had sex with a girl like, oh, no, I'm not gay. I love women. I have no attraction to men. But before you actually do it, you don't know. You don't know whether a friendship is really attraction or whatever else. But until you actually start having intimate relationships, sexual relationships, loving

1:52:11relationships, you don't totally understand your sexuality. Do you agree with me on that? I do. Because I didn't have sex until I was like penetrated sex until I was like 19-20. Because I was scared of AIDS. But I had some dick, now. I had some dick, and I had got my little dick played with back. You know, because we were hunching, we were exploring. Kids explore. Kids know more. And you think they do. Especially when they be around other kids. Kids explore with each other. They do. That's just what it is. But at the end of the day, you know, I'm torn with that. I appreciate me having the opportunity to grow up, to get all the way up. The last past fucking sneakers I bought was Patrick Ewan. There was the last past sneakers I bought as a boy. It was Patrick. The big chunky one. The big chunky fucking shoe. The blue and the blue and yellow. The last pair of niggas shoes I bought. So I'm glad that I had the opportunity to do that. But I also, on the other hand, wish that I had the opportunity that jazzed it because

1:53:13I ultimately became a woman. Maybe my shoulders wouldn't be so broad. Maybe my hands wouldn't be as big. Maybe my feet would... Maybe something. I think about maybe, maybe. I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't have had all the fucking hair that I had to got them get rid of and shit. You know, maybe that wouldn't have happened. But I'm going through the process still to this day. Like I still go get electrolases. I still go do the thing. I still take hormones. Not as heavy as I did before. But I still do this stuff. But I think about maybe, you know, but then I think I appreciate having the experience. That's why I call on me a he and him and shit like that, a boy. Bitch, I've been there, don't that. Bitch, I'm a woman. A woman, bitch. Well, T.S. Madison appreciate you coming in. Well, I just feel in general, if you are really homophobic or transphobic, it's because you're not comfortable with your own sexuality. Oh, you got a lot of projecting. Oh, you're deep. I don't know. I'm comfortable with my sexuality.

1:54:13I'm comfortable with my penis size. So I've never really had a problem with gay people or trans people. Right. You know, which is why you're on the show. That's right. Because you go. Because you go. Because you go. You go. You go. You go. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to me because I know who I am. You tell him this man. That bitch ain't send me no invoice. Any mother fuck a nigga out there that's worried about trying to be around me and bitch, I didn't invoice you. I didn't invoice you. That means bitch, I didn't charge you the fucking suck on you bitch. So therefore you ain't got nothing to worry about. I don't want your ass. So you ain't got shit to fucking worry about. And also when it comes to trans people in a society like this, where trans people are mocked and ridiculed and attacked and so forth just for being who they are, I feel that if you feel so strongly about your identity that you're willing to go through that in order to feel comfortable about yourself, you have to respect that.

1:55:15You have to respect a person that's going through that because they're not doing it for any other reason than to be comfortable with themselves. So how can you be mad at someone that's trying to be comfortable with themselves? Cause we're all trying to be comfortable with ourselves. It's the Bible, it's the Bible, it's religion, it's all of that because if you really ask someone, like why are you don't always against God? It's a lot of shit that we do every day that's against fucking God. If you really read, if you really open that Bible up and really, it's a lot of shit we do every day that's against God, against God. So it's the religion that got the people fucked up. You got you throwing your kids out on the street because the book told you don't let the guy with that shit no more, Vlad, I ain't with it. I have deconstructed that shit from my mind and I understand that I got to see whatever creator it is that created me. I got to see the creator for me and I can't worry about nobody else in that bullshit. I'm almost 50 years old. If you don't like me, suck my dick, eat my pussy, fuck you. Well, TSMAT, I appreciate you coming in.

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