Tucker on Macklemore’s Cancellation and the So-Called “Conservatives” Championing Censorship

0:00Band-Dool is now available everywhere in the U.S. So you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are, including these places. May this year most rewarding season ever with Band-Dool. Agent location restrictions apply. Product availability varies by market. C-FanDool.com for eligibility. Gambling problem called 1-800-Gemma. Last Friday was the year anniversary of Charlie Kirk's murder and the internet was flooded with remembrance of Charlie and unfortunately even more so, all kinds of predatory people trying to use the memory of a fallen man for their own political or financial purposes. That's kind of always the case. We sat it out because that's depressing to see. But you did see people who knew him genuinely well and liked him and weren't trying to profit from his death raise the question, how do we honor his memory?

1:00And that is a completely fair question. But it begins with a more fundamental question which was what was his life about? If you're to remember Charlie Kirk, what are the first qualities of his that come to mind? Of course, the personal qualities, enthusiasm and decency and energy and intelligence. But his beliefs, well, someone who knew Charlie well, I would summon them up this way. He believed all kinds of things. But the main thing he believed was Christianity. He was a sincerely religious man who's a follower of Jesus. And politically, he believed a lot of things as well. Of course, he spent a life talking about them. But above all, he believed in free speech, the right of human beings to say what they think, to share their deepest beliefs. And those two were directly related. Charlie Kirk believed in free speech because he believed in God. And because he believed in God, he believed that each person was created by God with a distinct soul.

2:00God does not create communities. God creates individuals. And because they are individuals, sovereign individuals created in the likeness of the creator, each one has an inherent right to say what he thinks, to his own conscience, to make up his own mind and to express his conclusions. So that's where the belief in free speech comes from. That's reflected by the way in the founding documents of the United States. These are inherent rights. They're not given to us by the state. We are born with them. And the purpose of the state is to protect them. And Charlie Kirk was an eloquent defender of this idea and a great explainer of this idea, not just eloquent and good at it, but really one of the very few left. There are not a lot of people explaining why free speech is important and what it is. But Charlie Kirk spent really the entirety of his public life doing that up until the day he was murdered. We could have picked up a lot of clips to show you on the question of Charlie Kirk and free speech.

3:03But we just grabbed one and it's as good as any. Here's Charlie Kirk. I think last year, but it could have been any year, explaining what free speech is and why he defends it. Watch. I was wondering if you could talk about where you draw the line with free speech, hate speech and slander. It's a terrific question. My position is that even hate speech should be completely and totally allowed in our country. The most disgusting speech should absolutely be protected. And it's not a viewpoint that is held by the left. The ACLU used to hold this viewpoint. The American Civil Liberties Union, they sued so that legitimate Nazis could march through downtown Scokie. You remember this back in the 1980s and 90s? Now why would the ACLU do this? Because they said as soon as you were used the word hate, that is a very subjective term. Because then all of a sudden it is in the eyes or the, it is in the implementation of whomever has the power.

4:05So here's my belief. The more speech, the better. Exactly. So not only is it answered good, the question actually reveals a lot too. So the question was, what's your view of free speech, hate speech and slander? And Charlie didn't explain the difference between those three categories, but it's worth just pausing for a moment. So there's free speech, which as described is inherent to every person. You have an inherent right, you're born with this right, you will die with this right. Whether or not it's a bridge that still exists, to say what you think, to express your conscience out loud. There is a category called hate speech, which is Charlie just said effectively means speech the people in charge hate. And there's a third category called slander, and that's a legal category. What's the difference between hate speech or ugly speech speech? I don't want to hear and slander. Well, it's worth saying the difference is slander is by definition untrue. That is the legal definition of slander is factually incorrect. You're lying. You're lying about somebody or something.

5:09Free speech and even this category called hate speech. Those are true things and therefore they cannot be abridged ever. Why? Because you have to have the right to tell the truth. In any society it doesn't protect that right collapses. And it's also, of course, morally stained. And what grounds you're suppressing something that's true? So slander is by definition a lie, but protected speech is true or it's believed by the person who utters it to be true. And that's a meaningful distinction as well. I'm not lying. Of course, I've been wrong about a ton of things and will be again. But this is my sincere belief. I mean it. And that includes opinions, but also claims. I believe this is true. And so if you are ruling over people, which is to say human beings, if you consider the people you have care over or power over to be human beings, then by definition you can never prevent their right to say what they think is true.

6:13Of course. Because by definition if you do that, you are not treating them as human beings because you don't consider them human beings. That's how you treat a slave. You don't have to listen to what a slave says because he's not a human being. So in the very same way you can tell your dogs to stop barking, you can tell a slave to shut up. Because he doesn't have that right because he's not fully human. So anybody in charge who tells you you're not allowed to say something that you believe is true is not treating you as a human being. He's treating you as a slave. That's how he sees you. And you should know that. Because underneath the impulse to censor other people, and it's always dressed up as something else, concern, protection, but what really underlies it, of course, is malice and contempt. I hate you. I don't consider you fully human. Therefore, I'm not going to allow you to speak. That is unmistakably the message of every attempt to censor speech. And as Charlie Kirk said pretty well in the clip we just showed you,

7:16it is always employed by the people in charge on their own behalf. In other words, censorship is the process of the people in charge telling you you're not allowed to criticize them. And of course, they're clever enough, almost never to say that, though increasingly they are saying that. But in general, they don't. And so they dress it up and they say, well, there's some group that's somehow powerless. And you can't criticize them because they don't have power in your criticism of them as cruelty. And there's a power imbalance and you're punching down. And we're not going to allow that on their behalf. Well, whether or not that's actually true and we could debate it, the one thing you can be certain of is the group they claim to be protecting it's just a proxy for them. It's just a proxy for them always attempts at censorship or an attempt to protect the people in charge from criticism. And has famously been noted if you want to know who is in charge, ask yourself who you're not allowed to criticize.

8:20That's just a fact that's not a slur or a slander that is a fact because of course you would never affect censorship except in defense of your own interests. And that is 100% of the time what happens. Censorship is used to protect the powerful from criticism to gird and protect their power. Of course, there's no other reason for it. And because the people in charge are usually in every age, no matter who they are, fairly clever and ruthless, that's how they got there, they will almost always find some fairly sophisticated way to hide that fact. And once again, they will tell you that your criticism of their behavior is somehow cruelty or out of bounds, but no, what it really is is a threat to their power, of course. And so Charlie Kirk's prescription is the only prescription. And he said this repeatedly, if you don't like speech you hear, there is only one way. There are not a myriad ways, there's one way to combat that and it's with more speech.

9:24Tell me how I'm wrong. And in fact, he spent the last years of his life touring the country effectively asking crowds that, tell me how I'm wrong. Ask me anything. I'll defend any of my positions. And I'll do so openly at length in public. And if he died for anything, it's that. In fact, he died doing that. And so if you wanted to honor his memory, of course, you would try to keep that dying tradition alive. No one seems to be doing that. But what you wouldn't do under any circumstances is do the thing that he devoted his life to fighting, which is shutting down speech you don't like with threats or censorship, or even with back of the hand dismissals and name calling. No, you would pause and take seriously the criticism, even if you think it's illegitimate, aimed at you or your beliefs, and explain why it's wrong, and offer a counter vision of what you think is right. This was what the right used to refer to famously as the marketplace of ideas, because the idea was that the market itself was self-correcting.

10:26That was the beauty, it was a visible hand in charge of the market. And it would find natural equilibrium if you just backed off and allowed that to happen. So if two people had opposing views, they would debate those views in public, and then the people watching could decide which was valid on the basis of the strength of the arguments and the facts, Marshall. That was the tradition of debate, in fact that was the core of the Western tradition of discourse, going all the way back to Athens. And that's what Charlie Kirk was upholding when he was murdered. And what's interesting is that the last presidential election, the 2024 election, though very few people said this out loud, really was a referendum in part on this, because it was a reaction against what we now refer to as wokism or cancel culture. Well, what are those things? Well, they're really two things. They're identity politics, the idea that on the basis of your bloodline, how you look, qualities you were born with, your genes, you are subject to different rules, then other people.

11:31Certain groups get treated differently because of the nature of those groups. We are no longer equal in our citizenship, some groups are treated differently, usually better but sometimes worse. And because that is true, because certain groups get special rights, certain groups are the only people who can use certain words, for example, literally. Because of that, we have to constrain the speech of everybody else, we need censorship in order to protect those groups. So to sort of move beyond the details of this or that specific controversy, that's a pretty accurate description of what wokism and cancel culture were and are. And the truth is, most people find it tiresome, if not infuriating an immoral, to live in a country governed by rules like that, which are constantly changing, never fully explained to anybody, back to with by no principles whatsoever,

12:32other than the interest of the people in charge, and kind of no one likes that, who likes that? In fact, it is so universally disliked, that standard or shifting standard, whatever suits the people in charge, that even Alexandria, Casio Cortez, congresswoman from Brooklyn, who hopes to run for president in this upcoming cycle, was of course a great and famous practitioner of identity politics and wokism, got elected to Congress on it. In fact, she was out there the other day, kind of mildly denouncing it, saying that was kind of silly. In the same way that people who screamed at you for not taking the COVID facts are now willing to say, yeah, we kind of went a little overboard, little over, little crazy, it's caught up in the moment. And that's their way of acknowledging that their past behavior was reprehensible to some extent, but also their way of avoiding any penalty for what they did by half admitting that what they did is wrong. And they do this because they don't really have an option.

13:33I mean, nobody would defend the federal government's response to COVID at this point, and nobody, no sane person, would defend wokism circa 2022 at this point, because it's just so obviously awful and absurd and childish and cruel, and it hurt a lot of people. So the point is if we're at a place where even Alexandria Cautés is admitting that wokism is pretty stupid at best, I think we can say conclusively that everybody's against it. The problem, however, is that not everybody is against it. And this gets to the question of why it exists in the first place. It doesn't exist because it's a remedy to some obvious injustice, because there's just so much racism in America, so much anti-Semitism in America that someone had to act, but for people that got hurt, that's just not true. There of course is racism and anti-Semitism and all kinds of bad attitudes and hatreds and all of that, but that's not what these movements are about.

14:34Every single one of them is an effort by the people in charge to protect their own power, obviously. And that's just always true no matter who's in charge. And so every group that's in charge faces the temptation to dive headfirst into identity politics, which by the way has the insular effect of dividing the country to the point where you can dominate the country, fight amongst yourselves, but we sell you meme coins or invade a ron or whatever. So there's that, but it's also just kind of a classic move employed by the powerful against everybody else. And I really quick understood this. He understood that when he criticized wokeism or attacks on speech or identity politics, he wasn't simply speaking to the people who were then in charge, and we checked that clip you saw was from 2021, during the early by-demonization, Democrats were in charge. He wasn't just criticizing them because he knew that in his own party, which was the Republican party,

15:34there were people who if they ever got power would immediately embrace exactly the same worldview and employ exactly the same tactics against the entire country. He knew those people existed because even then they existed. And now of course they dominate completely the Republican party. And we could spend hours going through the irony and pulling the clips of Republicans denouncing cancel culture. And then a year later appearing on Fox News to champion cancel culture, literally the cancellation of people whose opinions they don't like. But we're not going to do that because it's just too easy and too depressing. But instead we just want to show you an example of what Charlie Kirk feared. And we're not guessing about this. Lots of people jump up and down about the legacy of Charlie Kirk and trying to grab it for the room. But we are totally confident when we say that Charlie Kirk then and where he's still with us. Now would oppose what you're about to see. So this is a Republican congressman from New York called Mike Lawler.

16:35And he's explaining his views on free speech watch. We have seen a rapid rise in anti-Semitism on these college campuses. And we need to crack down on it. This is not a free speech issue. This is hate speech chanting from the river to the sea was not aspirational. It was absolutely vile and intended to undermine Israel. And frankly call for its extermination. And that cannot be tolerated anywhere in this country. Oh, it cannot be tolerated. It's not free speech to have that opinion. It's hate speech. It absolutely can't be tolerated. Now that man, Mike Lawler, who again is a Republican member of Congress, not one of the brighter ones. But still, apparently a member in good standing of the Republican party serving in the House of Representatives. A little over a year after that, sponsored legislation with his Democratic colleague Josh Gottheimer to ban criticisms of the government of Israel to encode in federal law, the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, which is, well, seven out of 11 criteria or criticisms of the state of Israel, the government of Israel.

17:46And its behavior would be classified under federal law, anti-Semitism. And therefore a hate crime. It would be illegal for example under the definition that he tried to encode in federal law to describe what the Israelis are doing in Gaza as a genocide. But what if it is a genocide? What if it meets every definition of genocide? What if murdering 20,000 children could be proven, which it already has been? Would it be okay to say that? No. Not under that law, which thankfully did not pass, but it will someday, if this trajectory continues. So here you have a Republican who no doubt would describe himself as a conservative, a constitutional conservative, trying to ban criticism of a foreign country so it cannot be tolerated. And what's interesting is why? So this is not a blanket ban that Mike Lawler is trying to get into federal law where you can't criticize foreign countries. There are plenty of foreign countries Mike Lawler would like you to criticize. In fact, there are countries Mike Lawler's destruction has called for himself, Russia for example, or Iran.

18:52Countries that his donors don't like. So what you're watching here, once again, is the most powerful people in the society, Mike Lawler's donors, or so repeat whatever they ask him to repeat. Trying to encode their preferences and their advantages in our legal code. In other words, you take this 250 year old country and you take the machinery of the country and you use it to your own benefit to protect you and to make you richer. That's exactly what you're seeing here. You know, principle at all involved in this in this. Mike Lawler is saying it should not be allowed to criticize Israel, but you can criticize Russia. Again, why? Because Mike Lawler's donors love Israel and they hate Russia. Therefore, you can criticize the country they hate, but you're not allowed to criticize the country they love. So that's just like a total collapse of the rule of law, of decency, and of the thing that you really have to have in order to have a real country, which is a love of the truth.

20:00What's true? What's objectively true? Proveably true. Has to be, has to remain at the center of the project. Has to remain at the center of your legal code. You can't convict people of a crime unless you can prove that they did it. You have to know the truth before you can punish someone. Therefore, if somebody says something true, you have to allow them to say it. Period. Whether you like it or not. If someone walks up to you and says you've gained 30 pounds and you have, that might be a rude thing to say. You might hate to hear it, but you cannot punish someone for telling the truth even if it stings. But they're trying. They're trying. And by day, we mean everybody in charge. And at this point, that means Republicans. But of course, it's hard to get censorship through the Congress because we do have this thing called the Bill of Rights, and the first right enumerated in it, the very first, is the right to say what you think is true.

21:04The first amendment protects your right to say what you think is true and prevents the government from constraining that right in any way. And this has been debated for 200 years. And so we know what the parameters are and they're very, very wide. So it's going to be pretty hard for any sitting member of Congress to vote for a Mike Lawler Bill. So they have to find another way to prevent you from telling obvious truths that they find inconvenient or that their donors don't care for. So how are they going to do that? Well, through threats of violence, of course, it always comes to that. Through threats of violence, through intimidation, through making you afraid to say what you think is true. And so it's probably not surprising that the clip we're about to show you in just a moment comes from Nikki Haley. She's the former governor of South Carolina and has some appealing qualities for sure. Not everything about Nikki Haley is bad, but one thing about Nikki Haley is notable, which is her very high tolerance for violence. So Nikki Haley was one of the very few Republican politicians who in the opening hours of the George Floyd riots, when the city of Minneapolis was on fire and a police station was burning to the ground, cars were flipped over, people were being shot to death, women were being raped.

22:17Clearly things were getting out of control. This was mob violence, which is the scariest thing in anyone who's ever seen it firsthand can confirm that. As she watched that on television, Nikki Haley sent on a tweet saying, in effect, you go mobs. America needs this, the cleansing fire of rioting to burn the racism from our souls were dressing up in a more poetic way, but you can pull up the tweet because it's still on the internet. Nikki Haley saw the destruction of an American city by violence and approved of it. So someone like that who was willing to tolerate the killing of people who did nothing wrong for the larger good of purging racism from the American soul probably doesn't have a very difficult time saying something like this. When I get into office, the first thing we have to do, social media accounts, social media companies, they have to show America their algorithms.

23:18Let us see why they're pushing what they're pushing. The second thing is every person on social media should be verified by their name. That's, first of all, it's a national security threat. When you do that, all of a sudden people have to stand by what they say and it gets rid of the Russian bots, the Iranian bots and the Chinese bots. And then you're going to get some civility when people know their name is next to what they say. It's a, it's a national security threat that you have opinions that Nikki Haley's donors don't like because the problem is Russian bots or Iranian bots, North Korean bots bots are donors to like the problem is not bots, of course. Nikki Haley's totally in favor of bots if they say Israeli bots, which dominate social media at the moment. I haven't heard many complaints from Nikki Haley about that. That's not a national security threat. The national security threat is that you might express something true and we can't find you to hold you accountable for that. So this kind of thinking can get you to, I don't know, North Korea pretty quick. In fact, probably unlikely that North Korean politicians have the balls to say something that open in public.

24:25Because if you have no right to express your view anonymously online, why do you have a right to turn to your wife in bed with the shades closed and say something naughty about Israel. That could be a national security threat too. Anytime people say something out loud that Nikki Haley doesn't like, it's a national security threat and we have to find out who's saying it. So as a practical matter, why would it be so important for Nikki Haley to strip the shield of anonymity from people on the internet? Why do we have to know who you are if you criticize Israel? That's an interesting question. And the deeper question is why would people fear saying what they think about Israel to the point where they wouldn't say it under their own name? That's a question worth asking too. Why are people so intimidated by Nikki Haley's donors that they don't want to express their views openly? Don't you want to live in a country where people just say what they think whether they're not afraid or would you rather live in a country where people cower before the threats of figures like Nikki Haley and her national security concerns.

25:32And they just won't say what they think because they know they could be hurt for doing it. Well, Nikki Haley clearly prefers the latter. But by stripping the anonymity away from people online, it would allow, I don't know, some organized nonprofit group to hunt down anyone they find online expressing unapproved thoughts about Israel and hurt them, really hurt them. So this clip is from the woman who changed her name, by the way, speaking of anonymity, she had some kind of Eastern European name. Now she has a kind of strange one syllable last name, not using her real name. In any case, here is the woman who runs a group called stop anti-semitism, which is a digital vigilante group. And that's not an overstatement as you're about to see, but she's describing what her group does to people who criticize the Israeli government. Watch this. We have featured more than 1,000 anti-semit on our platforms, 1,000, not theorized about them, not quietly documented them, feature them publicly, clearly and with evidence.

26:45The results speak for themselves. Approximately 400 of these Jew haters have faced real consequences, including firings, suspensions, and expulsions. If you target Jewish students, your actions will not disappear into the darkness. We will shine a light on you that thanks to Google and SEO will follow you for the rest of your life. When you look for a job, when you look for a spouse, when you look for a nanny, when you look for anything, our work will always be documented. Again, thanks to Google and SEO. Huh. When you look for a job, when you look for a spouse, really. So what are we talking about here? When she says when you target Jewish students, when you hate Jews? Of course, anyone who makes physical threats against anybody, Jewish Christian Buddhist Hindu doesn't matter. That person is committed to crime, and we have well layers of law enforcement agencies to deal with that and they do.

27:48But that's not what she's talking about. She's talking about the IHRA International Holocaust Remembrance Association. Definition of anti-Semitism. And as noted, there are 11 examples of anti-Semitism and seven are criticism of the Israeli government, which to remind you is a foreign government, not the US government. By the way, criticism, including in-temperate criticism of the US government, is always and everywhere allowed and in fact encouraged in our schools. By our government officials, you can accuse the US government, our government, the one that your ancestors died for, in any way that you like. You can accuse them of sending crack into black neighborhoods, and by the way, maybe they did, who knows? We don't really know. But we know that it's perfectly fine to speculate about that. We know that it's hate to suggest the Israeli government might have been involved in the assassination of our president, John F. Kennedy in 1963, though there's evidence they were. But it's totally within balance to suggest our CIA was also involved. That's totally fine, and it looks like they were involved.

28:51By the way, in that assassination, and that's fine. And there's no penalty for acknowledging that. But to suggest that they might have worked in concert with the Israeli government well, that will open you up to online vigilanteism like that. Where you can't have a job, you can't have a spouse, can you even live here? Hard to know. So, when Nikki Haley calls for stripping the shield of anonymity from people who dare to criticize her donor's favorite country, the reason she's doing it is so the woman you just saw on the screen can bat clean up and round up the people foolish enough to say what they really think and hurt them. Not just in the short or medium term, but for life. No spouse for you, no job for you. Maybe you starve to death. That's okay because you're a hater. And of course, the great overarching irony of all of this is who's the hater? So, if you go online and say I think what the Israeli government is doing to children in Gaza is immoral because I'm not for killing children,

29:55you get screamed at and called a hater by someone who then tells you you can never get married or have a job again. Who's the hater exactly? Of course. But the problem is because no one in authority has pushed back against any of this and because the temperature is risen to a point that's sincerely as dangerous. It's accelerated. And so there's no doubt trying to be charitable about it that the woman you just saw from stop anti-semitism believes that she's doing a virtuous thing. She believes she is saving Jewish people from Nazis. Now, of course, her definition is deranged. Most people who are against killing children are also anti-Nazi by definition. Of course, violence against innocence was one of the signature crimes of the Nazi regime. That's why we're against the Nazis in the first place. We're not mad about their economic policy. Most of us don't even know what it was. We're mad because they hurt innocent people. And that's always in everywhere immoral. And so there's probably a huge overlap between people who are disgusted by what the Israeli government is doing in the territories it occupies.

30:56And people who are also disgusted by what the Nazi regime did in the territories it occupied. Probably almost 100% overlap between those two groups. But because no one will say that out loud and because extremists have been allowed to hijack the conversation and because there isn't actually free speech on this topic, the free speech that Charlie Kirk so assiduously called for, the other side of the argument, which is moderate and temperate and fact-based and not hateful, which is universal rather than sectarian, which rejects identity politics in favor of universally applicable standards for every human being. That side of the argument rarely gets an airing. If ever. And so the net result of this is to, with every passing day, make people crazier, angrier and less restrained. And if that process continues long enough, you wind up with Mark Levin. Basically, in the clip we're about to show you calling for Kristolnacht. Watch.

32:03For six months, I've been fighting these bastards, whether it's Tucker Carlson or whether it's Nick Fuentes. And I've been looking over my shoulder looking for help. And you know, I found nothing. Nothing. We're here today to do something about this. What do you mean we don't cancel people? We cancel David Duke. Donald Trump canceled David Duke. We cancel Papua Canon. We cancel the John Birch Society. We cancel Joseph Sobram. We canceled pornography on TV. We cancel stuff all the damn time. Hitler admirers, Stalin admirers, Jew haters, American haters, Churchill haters. You're damn right. We're going to cancel them and de platform them. Whenever you hear that guy talk, you want to be serious because it does matter. And it is important to explain what's wrong with what he said. But it's so disjointed and illogical. And there's always at least a liner to another. Doesn't make any sense at all. We canceled pornography on TV.

33:14You know, I think you've promoted pornography on TV as far as I know. Churchill haters, just like throw it in there. Jew haters. Okay. Yeah. I'm against Jew haters, Churchill haters. You're not allowed to hate Churchill now. Was he like some British prime minister who screwed up at Glippoli? I think it's okay to dislike Churchill. No, I kind of let me check my passport and see if there's fine print in there about having to pledge loyalty to Churchill. I don't recall that part of the American creed Churchill haters. Where did that come from? Actually, you should think about it because if it's disqualifying to hate Churchill, maybe there's more to Churchill than we've been told. Why are they defending Churchill? Now, they've gotten pornography off TV. Mark Lavin's against pornography. Sorry for the sidetrack there. It's just impossible to parse a Mark Lavin speech without winding up on a cul-de-sac. But to the center of what he's saying.

34:15Here you have, so the speech you just saw was given November 1st, 2025. So that's almost exactly one year from Donald Trump's second election as president, which was the first Tuesday, of course, of November 2024. And if you can recall back almost two years and ask yourself, what was that election about? And if you voted for Trump and if you're watching this, maybe you did, I did. What were you voting for? Well, probably a lot of things. Lower gas prices, no more foreign wars. But one of the things you were voting against, of course, was what we called cancel culture. The idea that if you disagree with someone, you just shut them down. Can't have a bank account. Can't fly in an airplane. Can't have a job. Can't have a spouse. We're just going to cancel you. We're not going to rebut what you're saying. We're not going to explain why it's wrong. We're not going to offer a competing vision that entices you over to our side. We're going to smack you in the face as hard as we can till you shut up and never say it again. In fact, we may hurt you as a lesson to everybody else. Hang you by your ankles. So pastors, by will know, don't say that.

35:17That's what cancel culture is. And if there's one thing that virtually every single human being who voted for Donald Trump fewer than two years ago, voted against its cancel culture. And here's Donald Trump's favorite pendant. Fox News host in good standing, unlike some of us. Calling openly in a speech on camera for cancel culture, including canceling people who don't like Winston Churchill. But there's menace in his voice, of course. Damn it. Bastards. Bastards. He wants to hurt people who disagree with him. He's got what we used to refer to in right wing world is Antifa face. Scrooge up in rage. I'm out of my parents. I'm going to beat you in the face with a flagpole. Antifa face. Mark live in. Maybe this is what power does to people. Maybe when they finally have the ability to hurt others, when they think they can finally make words they don't like go away.

36:22Shop or hurt you. They can't resist using the power to do that. It may be that power itself corrupts everyone who wields it. That's something we're thinking about. You don't want to believe that, but there's a lot of evidence that that's true. Given that the people we elected fewer than two years ago wound up behaving exactly like the people they replaced except a little more aggressive. And a little less disorganized because of course the upside of dealing with liberals is they you know everything is like macrame and campfires they can never really get it together. They argue amongst themselves. But you like these guys and they're of course still disorganized and flaky and know they probably couldn't organize your daughter's birthday party very well, but they're a little better than the common Harris team. So it's the same brand of politics, but a little harder edged what. It's just remarkable to see it and it makes you wonder are there options. And if you care about speech, which is to say if you care about humanity because there's no difference we are defined by language and our ability to use it.

37:26It's not the opposable thumb that separates us from animals. It's our tongue. It's language, it's words in the beginning was the word. As the opening verse of John says and it's true. The word is the most important thing words are the most important thing they endure long past. Bullets or cannons or swords have been replaced by some new technology that kills people but all that in the end is forgotten words remain. Your words define you and if someone takes away your words and your ability to articulate them they've stripped you of your humanity. So in the end it is the thing that we have to defend we have no choice. We have a moral obligation, an obligation, a duty to the people who follow us to defend it. But now the question is who will defend it because when the party that opposed free speech got beaten by the party that promised to uphold free speech and then less than two years later both are united in their total opposition to free speech and are threatening people, openly threatening people, hurting people who disagree with them and not even bothering to explain why they're wrong.

38:45You have to ask if both parties are against it who's for it. And before you think too long here's the answer everyone is for it except the people in charge that's the truth. People with power always oppose free speech everybody else of course clings to it like a life jacket. It's all they have in a country where people no longer have economic power with middle class hasn't been the majority of the country since 2015. Where the integrity of our elections is well up for debate in a world where AI can hack anything anyone who thinks electronic voting is secure hasn't thought about it very carefully. So in a world where people don't have economic power and they may or may not have political power what power do they have the power of their own conscience and they're inalible right to express what's on their conscience they have in the end only one thing and that's their words. And so anyone who seeks to take that away from them is a blood enemy make no mistake.

39:51And that gets us to the free speech case of the moment which is it unusually illuminating one and it has to the performer called Maclamore you may or may not be familiar with. But he was scheduled to give her performance with Ed Sheeran at Gillette Stadium recently and he was canceled by Robert Kraft owner of the Patriots and owner of a number of stadiums who is I think it's fair to say a fairly fanatical devotee of the state of Israel. And not just devoted to the state of Israel which is fine but devoted to hurting anyone who is not and slandering them as anti semites. And so he canceled this performer's appearance at his stadium and said anyone who criticizes the state of Israel and of course he dressed it up in false line which anti semites not see Jew haters are not allowed here. But what's interesting about this case is that the performer he canceled Maclamore had a chance to speak for himself.

40:54So we want to read this to you this is what he said on stage is he criticized the state of Israel's behavior in Gaza and just to be clear anyone who's not criticizing what Israel is doing in Gaza is either lying about it and there's some of that or just doesn't know anything about it and there's a lot of that most people just don't know. But five minutes of reading about it and not just some like partisan anti Israel take on it but just the facts which have been gathered and widely disseminated. Anyone who reads about it for five minutes cannot come away defending it because there is no defense of murdering tens of thousands of children it's always an ever we're wrong whether Jewish children or Catholic children or Palestinian children doesn't matter in any case. Before we tell you what Robert Kraft and various news outlets said about this performer Maclamore here's what Maclamore himself said because it matters these are the words that got him canceled as a Jew hater and we're going to read them quote to all my Jewish brothers and sisters criticism of Israel criticism of a partate being against genocide in no way is a criticism of you.

42:01My message is for peace love for all human beings to be treated with dignity respect and equality so I say free Palestine I say free Lebanon free Cuba he goes on. To my Jewish brothers and sisters criticism of Israel criticism of partate being against genocide is no way a criticism of you because by the way it's not. It's not criticism the behavior of a secular government is not criticism of an entire people many of whom disapprove in fact hate. What that government is doing and so no one anyone lie to you they are not the same thing that is not Jew hate despite with the IHRA definition may try to impose on you and this country's legal code they are not the same thing. And so that's what he said so for saying that we want to put on the screen how Fox News characterized that watch this. This is the headline of the story anti-Semitic rapper booted from performing a Gillette stadium over free Palestine chant.

43:06Anti-Semitic rapper okay now now it's actually worth going on here you find yourself in middle age doing things you never thought you would do which is like defending political rappers on your podcast never thought I'd be here. But it's not a defense of anyone person it's a defense of the truth of the literal meaning of words and the intent of the words and of reason but above all it's a defense of the inalible right of every person to express his conscience whether you or I like it or not. So the Fox News piece and not to beat up on Fox News but a lot of people. Uncritically believe what they watch or read and so here's how Fox News dot com characterized this controversy quote. Maclomore is learning the hard way that concert goers paying top dollar for stadium shows do not want a lecture on Middle Eastern geopolitics from the guy who wrote thrift shop. Oh okay so what does that tell you concert goers you paid a lot for these tickets aren't interested in Maclomore's views on the Middle East go we haven't pulled the topic so of course we don't know we watched a video of his performance on stage and we notice that the whole stadium seem to be cheering him as he said free Palestine but what do we know we're not posters what we do know is that the audience didn't make the decision.

44:30And in fact there's a way to know what the audience thinks and that's by continuing a lap to allow Maclomore to perform and if he sells tickets well presumably the audience agrees or they wouldn't be buying them. But the Fox News piece in a very kind of clever feline incredibly dishonest way frames this as a decision that the audience made concert goes you paid high dollar for tickets don't want to hear the lecture. Really they're the ones you canceled him they're the ones you said you can't perform with the stadium oh no one billionaire made that decision and then he got in the line with a bunch of other billionaires who also on sports teams and said we can't let this guy perform on our stadiums. Is that the market at work is it actually the market at work that's what they're telling you which his stadium really well if that's going to be the standard let's take a close look at how we got the stadium were there. Or federal tax dollars involved in that was that purchase in any way subsidized by the public yet think so.

45:31Is any stadium in the last 30 years in the United States been a product of pure market capitalism or they all subsidized by taxpayers. I don't know we're going to have to grok that one. But our guess is that every single stadium in the United States including Gillette stadium which is owned by Robert Kraft. Is subsidized by taxpayers against their will so it's not as simple as oh he owns it or any of these people own anything and we are strongly in favor of property rights strongly and justice. But that's not what's happening here this is a veto by one guy likely against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the American population so don't tell me this is a product of the market at work. This is censorship by the billionaire Epstein class and by the way yes he is mentioned in the Epstein files look it up.

46:31So why would you defend that you could argue about how to fix it not that easy to fix really there are some and if this goes on long enough there will be many who just call from taking the stadium away from Robert Kraft we're not for that. You're not for anything radical or crazy actually this is a hotbed of moderation but we can tell you that if someone doesn't move to fix the current situation where a tiny group of totally immoral monomaniacal people who have no actual connection to the United States or loyalty or to it or love for it. And don't care at all about the founding documents and the spirit that they express which is of individual sovereignty if those people continue behaving like this you're going to get a radical population. So maybe short term Robert Kraft felt like he was doing a good thing but getting this Jew Hater off stage who just spent you know five minutes on stage explaining how he loves Jews but doesn't like the behavior of the net and now who government and this is a good thing to slander him as an anti-Semite but long term it's very foolish and it's even more foolish to defend it as many on the so called right are and that raises the question what does it mean to be on the right.

47:50If you're defending censorship by billionaires who share none of your values how are you conservative and how more precisely a year and five days after the murder of Charlie Kirk are you upholding his memory well that's the question we had to ask ourselves as we saw some we know very well and still like. But who appears every day on the Charlie Kirk show say something we found absolutely remarkable this is not a personal attack and it's done with some reluctance. We just have to say it out loud this is where we are we're talking about a man called Blake net who worked for me for years always liked him a lot help get him the job that he currently has. But there was a pretty distressing and highly revealing which is why we're going to talk about it profile of him in political recently there's a lot in there that we're not going to get involved with but there was a passage that we do think is worth highlighting because it tells you a lot about the total rot at the center of the conservative movement as of September 2026.

49:02And whenever you get this kind of rot. You get people who literally can't hear themselves and we're not going to be too judgmental here because a lot has happened in the last year a lot of traumatic events for the staff of turning point and so you always want to extend grace to them tried to do that even as they do things I disagree with and I know that Charlie would vehemently disagree with. And I've been frustrated by that but haven't said a word but the second that you give up on the very core of Charlie Kirk's message while continuing to occupy his studio under his name I think it's important to say something so that's what we're doing now. So when I read this to you this is a profile of Blake neff from political. Neff confessed to grappling in a roundabout way with the possibility that his maximalist position on free speech has helped foster the conditions that have allowed rank conspiracism to flourish. I've reflected on this often he said sipping a Samores flavored cold brew and a leather couch in the studio screen room so let's just stop right there.

50:02A maximalist position on free speech and this is not that by the way that's not a Blake neff quote just to be completely fair and we want to be fair that's the anti free speech politico author in wards. Kind of clever framing here but it's very common maximalist position well there's no maximalist position on free speech anymore than there is on pregnancy right you either are for it or you are pregnant or you're not free speech means. I'm not sure if there's any other questions acknowledging the inherent right of your fellow citizens whether or not you like them to say what they really think. Period and if what they really think is repugnant to you and if they have some version of events that you consider a poisonous conspiracy theory there's not really a thing you can do about it in fact there's literally nothing you can do about it. Under our system and I would also argue under Christian precepts other than rebut it and offer a competing vision that is more compelling to listeners that's it is Charlie Kirk sent the outset of this segment more speech.

51:06But that's not the conclusion that many on the right are coming to now why probably because they spend way too much time on social media and they read every attack on themselves. And they get more paranoid in fact they become kind of a version of what they claim to hate which is conspiracy nuts. But they get completely overheated they feel like they're war never seen war of course. They think they're a war they think they're under attack. And bit by bit it completely crows their decency but also their sense of proportion and they wind up abandoning the principles they're there to uphold so as they sit day after day underneath the sign that says Charlie Kirk on it they wind up with views like this and we're going to read this and we're quoting this is Blake nap the guy in the Charlie Kirk show. We got what we wanted on speech and that means we also have to endure a lot of things that were tamped down on before. Neff sees only two potential pass for this is a verb it unquote other we have to make our peace with censorship and explain how we're going to do that.

52:14Or we have to explain who we're going to combat this without censorship period but we've got to confront it. And that's the point at which you just you just feel like well we're done. We may have to make our peace with censorship how do we do that. It's like saying well you know I'm really mad I we may have to make our peace with genocide we may have to kill you know didn't everything I'd say it didn't everything I'd be here we're going to have to kill mom maybe there's another way to do it. But it's possible we might have to make our peace with murdering all their kids just because it's it's that important it's that bad didn't never think we'd come to this place but here we are. So we're going to think about it. No you can never make your peace with turning other people into slaves you can never be the slave master because slavery is bad for them. But it's even worse for you.

53:16It is totally dehumanizing to everyone involved to turn other human beings into something that is less than a human being and that is exactly what censorship does each and every time. So even to float that possibility that you could quote make your peace with it there will be no peace with censorship you can't have peace with censorship because you are suppressing by definition. What people believe is true so if you want to eliminate if you want to first all even the possibility of peace try to impose censorship it's an oxomoron make your peace with censorship. But that's where we are because people have lost any sense at all of what the principles the ones that actually matter are and to restate those principles are not don't hurt other people's feelings or tell truths that you are. Those truths are respect the inherent the God given dignity within every person and that dignity is expressed through their ability to say what they think not what you think.

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59:09And so we're not violating our freedom of expression so no at this current moment I would not say that we actually fully have free speech here in the United States. Yes. There's a there's a way though that free speech is not just to find as the constitution defines it which is a system where the government stays neutral on speech. And also like on a practical level if you are punished by organizations by saying denying you a job or housing or right to a bank account or a right to live peacefully in your own home then like in what sense do you have free speech. Well, I mean that's true. Now the argument is that if you are engaging in certain speech you can't expect that it comes without consequence. That you should expect a response that you might not like to that speech and you know the big argument that you'll hear from those defending say Robert Kraft today would argue well Robert Kraft is the billionaire who owns the Gillette stadium and he gets to decide what type of musical acts are able to perform there.

1:00:16Okay, I guess that's a fair point to make but why don't we take a step back and look at how this intermingles with our democratic process. Because if I can recall several years ago you had you know the world's elites getting together at the world economic forum to note that their plan moving forward is to ensure that no one owns anything. In fact, all of us will just have to rent things so there will be the owners who own the property and then the rest of us. And so if we're going to base free speech rights on property owners, you know the wealthy elite being able to squash free speech because they happen to own things and we don't is that really a fair and just society. And do we have the economic conditions on the ground to ensure that there's a level playing field. So if one billionaire decides no I'm going to crush you because I don't like your comments about a foreign country. Are we going to have other opportunities or other platforms other means to put our workout into the world.

1:01:17You know that's the real question here. Well, and in some way I mean the nature of our economies change the economic structure of the United States has changed obviously there's much more concentration at the top. But the truth is rich people have always run this in every other country. I just think we have different a different kind of rich people like previous generations of oligarchs felt like well, you know everybody has a right to say what he thinks. And if I disagree with you, I have got some obligation to explain why I make a countercase. I don't see that that gracefulness at all in evidence now it seems like our current leadership class the current oligarchs who run everything just decide like if I disagree with you, I don't have to explain why I don't have to convince people that you're wrong and I'm right. I can just crush you and that's enough. Well, there used to be a middle middle man, I guess in that middle man used to be our government right where the government would step in. And provide protections or defend ordinary people and I'm worried about the lack of will among our political elite to do what they know is the right thing to do in serving the American people.

1:02:23I mean, these are people who signed up to be public servants yet all they do is serve moneyed interests who bribe them during their campaigns. And so just to give you one example and I know you've been very critical of FDR, but not for the reason that I'm about to describe. You know, FDR was savvy enough to realize that following the Great Depression communism socialism was on the rise and he very much wanted to protect a capitalistic society. So he realized if I don't step in and implement some of these economic policies that will help improve the quality of life for ordinary American workers were headed toward socialism were headed toward communism and he didn't want that. And so it is same with Henry Ford, I mean Henry Ford was the CEO who decided you know what it makes sense to give them my workers the weekends off. It makes sense for me to pay them enough money to be able to afford Ford vehicles like these are people who don't just think about their personal benefits and what benefits them in the short term.

1:03:29They have long term goals that goes beyond you know their own self indulgence and we just don't have much of that right now either in our political elite or certainly not among the billionaire oligarchs who were unfortunately being ruled by right now. There's not a lot of longitudinal thinking it seems like there's a kind of a day trade world view in force. So you've always been on the left with progressive left I don't think you're much of a Republican voter or haven't been anyway. I think it's fair to say, but I know it's I think it's complicated. It's complicated. It's complicated. Right. Well it's complicated for everybody. I'm with you on the complexity. But I get on the question of free speech. So I saw the Biden administration as totally opposed to free speech. They're pressuring social media companies to shut down people's accounts for disagreeing with them on COVID or lots of other topics. And I really believe that the Trump coalition was put there in part to defend free speech, free expression, free exchange of ideas including those you disagree with.

1:04:34And yet it seems like a lot of its leaders pivoted almost immediately to a Biden-like position on speech where if I don't like you, I'm going to cancel you when they had just run against what they call cancel culture like 20 minutes before. Am I imagining that? No, you're not imagining it. And the fact of the matter is regardless of which political side is doing it and both political sides do it. Yes. It's an attempt to hide something from the public information that they don't want the public knowing about. And I think a big red flag, especially from the government, is when they say they're doing something in the name of safety. So in the case of the Biden administration, we want to keep you safe. We don't want you to get COVID disinformation in the case of the Trump administration. And by the way, also to some extent with Biden on the Israel issue, there were efforts and have been efforts to essentially say we got to keep our Jewish community safe.

1:05:34As a result of that, we can't let you say certain things that are critical of the Israeli government, which obviously makes no sense. And we shouldn't be conflating the Jewish population with a foreign country. But Israel likes to hide behind human shields in their own way. So they intentionally make that conflation. But yeah, the word safety. Once you hear the word safety. And by the way, I've seen every political faction use similar arguments, even on the far left, you know, stifling free speech on college campuses in some cases, because students feel unsafe. And I'm sorry, in that particular context, you are going to an institution to learn obviously, but also to be made uncomfortable. Like you're not growing, you're not learning until you're actually being confronted with ideas that challenge your own. Sure, and it's also a mystery of the human condition. You're never safe. I mean, the future is not assured. And resistance to your narcissism is just like a fact of life for everybody in a lot of being. And that's how you become an adult, right?

1:06:38Right. Of course, so you actually want confrontation because it draws you out of your own stupid little universe. But I just wonder if the left did it with cancel culture and wokeness or whatever you want to call it, but that whole movement that we suffered through for so many years. And now the right is doing exactly the same thing. They just picked a different victim. It was black people now. It's Jewish people. It'll be somebody else. It's always a cover for protecting the people in charge. Then like who actually will defend free speech? Well, there always been very loud voices that have been consistent on protecting free speech. You know, one greenwald happens to be one of them. He is undeterred in that mission. And in fact, the one area where he and I might have a disagreement on free speech is whether or not corporations are considered people with protected speech. And thus can provide unlimited campaign bribes to politicians like he has defended that Supreme Court ruling. Right.

1:07:38I have a different perspective on that. But in terms of in actual individuals practicing their free speech, he's always been consistent. And whether the cancel culture proponents like it or not, we do still have constitutional rights. And if someone is willing to take some issue to the court, I do believe that the courts tend to side appropriately based on what our constitutional rights happen to be. But that can be a costly way of pushing back and defending your free rights. And it becomes an even bigger problem when again, you literally have the government on a state by state case passing laws. I mean, I mean, Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida literally went to Florida to sign state legislation that made it clear. If you're criticizing Israel, we're not going to give you any government money. No, no grants for you. Or even if it's a government institution, we're going to strip you of your funding. That's ridiculous, especially since this has to do with criticizing a foreign country.

1:08:39You can you can criticize our country as much as you want. And I like that. That's that's what we should have. But we shouldn't have certain protections for a foreign country that violate our free speech rights. We are strongly pro-dog on this show. We make no secret of that. Dogs are one of the great blessings of this life. And to keep them healthy, we recommend Dutch. It's the solution to skyrocketing veterinary costs. Why are those costs so high? Well, private equity in case you didn't already know that. Big investors who bought up veterinary clinics across the country and doubled the amount they charge. So they're exploiting your love for animals to make money. And are they providing better services? Well, if you can't afford to go to the vet, you get no services at all. We did a whole show on this. And it's really distressing. Dutch is the solution to this. Licensed veterinarians, easy remote appointments start with the code Tucker plans at just $82 per year. That's like nothing compared to what you will get if you walk into a private equity owned vet. 50% of Dutch customers say they had not seen a vet in three years because they couldn't afford it.

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1:13:49Right now. And for me, the reason why I'm allowed mouth about things like this is because I know that when people see an individual public figure go out there, unafraid to just say what needs to be said, it kind of gives them permission. It gives them a little more comfort to come out and say what they want to say. And we do need to foster that kind of environment. And I can't emphasize this enough. We can't give this sensorious people regardless of where they fall in the political spectrum or on the issue of Israel. We cannot give them an inch under any circumstance. So like for me, when they come at you with a bad faith allegation, the left falls for this almost every time. And I'm trying to get them to like think a little more savvy. Like they're not looking for an apology. And in fact, if you do apologize, when you haven't really said anything wrong to begin with, they see that as an admission of guilt. So don't give them an inch. Don't play their game. Don't play their game.

1:14:49As long as what you actually said wasn't coming from a place of hate where you're trying to get people hurt, you're just sharing your perspective on something. Don't let the bad faith actors convince you that maybe apologizing will make like this crazy mob go away. The mob is not going to go away unless you ignore that and double down. In fact, so you've you. Yeah, you got a congressional medal of honor for you for that. I mean, that's definitely the way you approach it. And God bless you for that. Graham Platner, what just happened to the political candidate in the state of Maine Graham Platner earlier this year seems like a pretty good example of what you're describing. Can you now that you know, we've had a month or two to assess it? What what was that? Do you think? Well, okay, so let me back up and give you my perspective on Grant Platner and the entirety of his campaign. So I'm in a kind of black pill place in life where, you know, the midterms are coming and everyone thinks it's like, it's going to make all the difference.

1:15:51Our political system is broken and I don't really have a dog in this fight believe it or not. So when Graham Platner came on the scene, I'm like, same old same old, yes, you're going to do all these wonderful things for working class Americans. I don't believe anybody. Okay. Fair. And then the tattoo thing happened, you know, and I side-eyed him because I'm like, how do you have like he at some point he realized the tattoo he got the skull and bones. He realized that it was like a Nazi symbol. He even admitted that. And then he kept it on his person for years until he ran for Congress and it became an issue. I thought that was weird, but whatever. It's not for me. It's not disqualifying necessarily. I just didn't buy his story. Yeah. Final thing though was the allegation of forcible rape, which I understand when someone has been raped and they're terrified to go to the authorities because sometimes it ends up backfiring when you go to the authorities. It's insult to injury. You go through a terrible time. If you don't have hard evidence, people are going to deny you or blame you. It's awful.

1:16:57So I can understand that. But the woman who accused him of forcible rape, who she had been dating for two years, by the way, decided I'm not going to go to the authorities after he allegedly forcibly raped me. I'm just going to come out and talk about it in public as the primary for plateners, race approaches, thus forcing him to drop out. And then we never heard from her again. Did she ever go to the authorities? Is she comfortable with the fact that if in fact she was allegedly raped by a grand platener, well now he's free to go wherever he wants to go, do whatever he wants to do and potentially rape someone else. Exactly. And so for me, Tucker, I think the reason why she didn't go to the authorities and instead came out and told the entire world about what allegedly happened is because I don't believe it actually happened. I just don't. And the reporting on it, intentionally omitted details that I think the public should have known about.

1:17:57Right, namely the fact that she sends him a the way their interactions started that night, she sends him a text message about how she needs a glute massage. But they admitted that from the reporting, I just. To me, it looks like a fishy story to say the glute being the butt muscles. Yes, yeah, pretty provocative text. I mean, look, I know I wasn't there, you know, I wasn't dating grand platener. I don't know. But that seems that seems like a relevant detail to me. Here's my take on it was less sophisticated than yours, but I was just trying to take a big picture assessment. So here's a guy who's who's clearly going to beat Susan Collins, one of the most mediocre. She's a joke, of course, Susan Collins. Probably not an evil person, but like Susan Collins, come on now. He's going to beat her. He's a conventional Democrat in some ways, but the big issue in which he disagrees with his party's leadership is Israel. And he just says it. He's like, what's happening? God says a crime because it is a crime. And it's that issue that torpedoes his candidacy because his own party, including the state party in Maine, turns against him on orders from their donors.

1:19:07That that seemed to be what happened to me, but maybe I'm missing something. I mean, if you do take a step back and you look at the specific candidates who have been hounded and treated poorly throughout their primaries and even after they won their primaries, you'll notice that there is a through line and that through line is criticism of Israel, criticism of US financial support for Israel's wars, genocide's atrocities, things like that. And you can't argue that you want to be a public servant who genuinely believes in an America first agenda when you're okay with doing things like merging the IDF with the US military or continuing this like gravy train that we can't afford. We like we are literally going deeper and deeper and deeper into debt in order to pay for Israel's weapons. Trump just signed off on another $3 billion for 2000 pound bombs for Israel.

1:20:07They're not even paying for it. We're going to go into debt to provide it for them. And that is an injustice. And these are the types of things they don't want us talking about. They want us to shut up. There is nothing in my commentary right now that even touches on the Jewish identity. Right, it's about morality. It's about finite resources. It's about doing what's right for the American people as a member of the political class. And somehow that is considered like incredibly outrageous, dangerous and offensive to say. And other candidates who have said things like this tend to be the ones who are targeted maniacally by people like Laura Lumer, who by the way, last June, I don't know if people know this, was bitching about the fact that not enough Americans hate Muslims. So maybe we need another 9-11. Yeah. So what does that make you think when somebody who's very powerful player for some reason at this moment within our political process calls for another 9-11?

1:21:12I mean, that seems like an extraordinary thing to say. Not only is it extraordinary, I think the bigger picture, I think the overarching issue that I'm struggling with is what, like what is my identity? Because I've always identified as American. I've always identified as American. Right? Like I love this country. I want to defend this country. I want to live here for the rest of my life, my family, my brother is raising his four kids here. I want them to thrive. I want everyone to thrive. But there are so many different things happening simultaneously right now, Tucker, that makes me think, oh my God, like we are surrounded by people who don't really see this as their country. Like they just, it's like a commuter country. Like you come in, you take what you need and then you go. And so when you have someone like Laura Lumer saying maybe we need another 9-11 disgusting. Okay, when you see the willingness of our lawmakers to sell out our own country, put us deeper and deeper into debt on behalf of a foreign country, it just, it just, it just feels like everything here is being exploited for other purposes.

1:22:25Yes. And I'm angry about it. And I know other Americans are angry about it. Elaine Chao. Elaine Chao turns out to have worked for the Chinese government while serving in the Trump administration. That was a huge story that was broken by the daily caller. I just reported on it yesterday on our show. How is that okay? How is that okay? Yeah. Two time cabinet secretary and two separate administrations for husband and Senate majority leader and she's working for China. And of course, there will never be any attempt to hold Elaine Chao accountable for that ever. It's crazy. But at least I guess here's the point in my thoughts today on this specific topic, at least we can still acknowledge it, report the truth about it, try to call other people's attention to it, rally support for some kind of solution to it. That's why speech is important. And I just wonder given that all of our conversations take place digitally in the digital platforms are owned by people who clearly are not committed to the concept of free speech.

1:23:27Like how long does this last? I don't know, but I'm not going to stop. I'm not going to stop and I'm willing to. I mean, there have already been consequences for me personally and I haven't stopped and I'm going to keep going. Yes. Because the ability to express yourself is one of the most precious rights that we have in this country. And I don't think that we should give it up willy nilly. I think some people have been willing to do that, but honestly, if it takes sacrificing potentially everything, I'm going to keep speaking my mind. Yes. I know no other way. It's torture to not be able to speak your mind. I can't imagine living in that type of society. So look, there are consequences already. Luckily, I work for Jank Euger and Jank Euger really does believe in free speech. Yes, he does. We have some big fights on the show time to time and he's never once retaliated against me because we disagree. And I just love that I'm lucky enough to work for him.

1:24:27But even if he ended up firing me for speaking my mind where there's a will, there's a way. And if it means that I have to do medial work to make ends meet in order to continue being able to speak my mind, I'm going to keep speaking my mind. But here's what I would say to the audience because this is really important. How about we don't give into these people anymore? How about we have each other's backs as Americans? Yes. You get what I'm saying? Oh, yes. So like the whole Macklemore debacle, I think the way that that played out was kind of fantastic because there's a lot of rage among Americans who don't think he said anything wrong, even Jesse Waters. He's like, what did he said, free Palestine? I don't think that's hate speech. And so people having Macklemore's back and in fact, Ed Sheeran being a coward in the scenario has now lost like half a million followers on social media because he didn't stand up for what was right. And so I love to see that. Let's do more of that. Let's have each other's backs because you're not just defending one person.

1:25:29You're defending the whole concept of freedom of expression. Amen. Boy. On that note, thank you. Thank you for everything you've done to preserve and expand the boundaries of speech at cost to yourself. Thank you. And I really think you'll be whatever you're going through now, I think you'll be rewarded for it in the end. I believe that. So in a cast period, thank you very much. Thanks so much. Thanks Tucker.