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1:00It's cured. Waitley, thanks for listening to the podcast. In this episode, AFL Chief Executive Andrew Dillon in the studio, the leadership portfolio with Luke Hodg, Coaches Association Chief Executive Alistair Nicholson, the trade bell with Sam Edmunds, across the divide with Andrew Voss, and runner who's saying without AFLW rap, you can get in touch at any time. Waitley at sen.com.au. Thanks for listening. Enjoy. Tuesday morning. This is your town. This is your station. This is Waitley. Good morning. That was entirely satisfying. A bit like those heady days of Black caviar and winks. Unbackable favourites. Living certainties and no one was barricading for an upset. We were there to stand and cheer and revel in history. Present for the full coronation of a brown low count that rewrote the record books. 47 votes broke the record. 11 proved the greatest winning margin and unprecedented 13 times.

2:02Besterfield, polling in 18 games to equal his own record. And the Nick Daycoast's ascension to the summit of the AFL is complete within five seasons. In that time, I've held Mark Esponter and Pellie to be the best player in the competition, but the title has formally changed hands. It would be easy to take this for granted, given it was so widely predicted. And when Nick stands on stage reflecting on when he was young, you can lose your bearings. He's 23 years old and has played 118 games. He's graduated from rising star in his day boo season to four straight all Australians. He's twice been the player's MVP and the coach's champion player. He's a best and fairest and a premiership player. And now has the crowning achievement of the brown low medal. He's 23 having completed five seasons. He's a phenom to be appreciated and admired. Other observations from the night, Dipper and Diesel won the brown low with 17 votes,

3:04Liber and Gavin Wanganine with 18. That's not really the dim dark past, but it seems like an E on a go. We're up to 47 now with a player averaging more than two votes a game. It feels like an entirely different award. Bailey Smith's 36 would have won every previous medal through to 2023. It seems there's an absence of anomalies this year. You can tell me if I'm wrong here, but we're not ridiculing the umpires nearly as much this morning as has been the case in previous years. We gave them the requisite information, trusted them to use it and enhanced the prestige of the awards. No more pin the tail on the donkey. Time of the game seems like our kind of guy coming to a windfall of cash and immediately think I want to buy a horse. I still think the two best marks of the season were Liam Ryan and Harvey Langford and they weren't finalists, but you want the wizard on every feature stage. Andrew Dylan read the last three rounds in precisely four minutes.

4:06If we read it that pace all night, the brown low count could be done in 32 minutes. It could be a punchy one hour show. And the ill-fated brown low multi failed Isaac Rankin, Pete Jordan Dawson, who evidently was invisible through the first two months of the season. So I'd say all is pretty much as it should be after the brown low of 2026 as we stood and cheered for Nick Deicos. Calling wood in Deicos three days. Well, we have three rounds to go. Nick Deicos leads by ten and he cannot be caught. He is the 2026 brown low man list and I declare the winner of the 2026 brown low metal Nick Deicos from the Colingwood Football Club. I made, I was just speaking to Rally about it. I never thought I'd be up on this stage.

5:06It's something that I genuinely have to pinch myself. And we played together at Carey so it's very special to also receive the award from Rally. As I said, it's a massive award and I'm so privileged to be up here and yeah, I can't play my brown low metal list, to be honest. The rest of us can. The rest of us could see it. Mal, I am truly privileged to have a seat at the G each week to watch greatness in the making and KF. Thankfully, a Royal Commission is not required. Nick Deicos is our brown low metal list. Andrew Dillens coming by the studio at 10 for the brown low debrief. We start our Tuesdays with the leadership portfolio. Luke Hodg, shallow to your hot G. Morning, Jared. Look, it was, it was fitting last night. You sit back in. I think I only really tuned in to see speech and to see how much he's going to win by because I think I can, I spoke to Kane last week on lockdown and I thought it was going to be over about around 19 or 20, but then Bayley, Smith kept getting some votes, Bont kept getting some votes. But you sit back and go, talk about leadership, talk about the impact he's had from the start.

6:08So much, he's 23 years of age, four Royal Australian tops. How he spoke and handled himself and then the big test of amateur U.A. is how he rocks up the next day. So I saw him on Sunday, as a smore, he was fresh. He looked a little bit tired, but he just ticks all the box from how he's presented himself from day one of getting drafted, how he spoke to the media, how the stuff he does away from football cameras that people don't see, the charity stuff that he does as well, go into the hospitals. You sit back and you're hoping a kid like that can have success on field and he's done that. And I just hope that take away any injuries. I don't think it's going to be the last one we, we seem stand up there on Monday, Brown Lawnmaker speech. I wouldn't be surprised if two or three or four head next way, considering what he's done. And you sit back and go, maybe one or two people might be able to stop him, but not every team has got a tagger who can stop his running, stop his burst, stop his smarts because

7:08they want to get in the ball at every opportunity. So I think if we take that five year view, he goes rising star and then fall straight all Australians and accumulates every major award in the game, culminate. It's a five year ascension to the summit. It's absolutely stunning. Well, two of those years he's broken the record for Brown Lawnvote. There's only Krippu who pipped him and got the 44, but you sit back and go, you're just so impressed by the ego. It hasn't got to his head at all. As I said, you sit back, everyone tuned in last night, which is to see how much he's going to win by. That's how dominant he season was. And then you sit back and go, where can he take that next step? Because normally young guys who get drafted in as a midfielder, they hit their strap from 24 to 28. So if you're a midfielder the next couple of years or you're a tagger look out because if Nick Daykos can take his game for the next level, I'm not sure what else he can do, considering he's been right in his journal every day. He's been doing those little things. He calls the A failed to go and get footballs that they use so he can touch that football, not just the standard ones that Colin would, which I would have thought Colin's footballs

8:08would have been up to scratch considering how far not sure that club is and how they get looked after. But all the little things that people go, it might happen at my night. He makes his own luck and he puts things in place to make sure that all those little one percent is that that add up. They really add up to his game as you can tell. What do you think his gift is? What every great player has something in it? What's his gift? You look through it's, I don't think there's just one little skill. So you sit back and go, he's got speed. He's got power. He's got a great understanding of the game, which normally if you've got speed and power as a young kid, you don't need to understand the game. Because as a junior, you can, you're faster and you're quicker or you're more powerful than the other bloke. So that gets you through to get the football. But he's got all those mixed into one. He is a nice kick. People say he turns a ball over, but he turns a ball over because the coaching staff there say you go for those kicks that not many people can hit. And yes, you may turn over three out of the 10. But guess what? Those seven, they're going to come as score opportunities for us because your breaks open

9:09the rest of the defense. And I think that's the difference between players now to players 15 years ago was if you tried one of those kicks that Nick's getting told to take, you get dragged and say, put your ego away. You shouldn't be going for those kicks. Just take the simple ones and let that unfold in today's game because defense is so important. It's no Nick. If you make a mistake, I don't care. You go again, you go again, because we know if you try that more often than not, it's going to come off and it's going to come to a scoring opportunity for us. So when you sort of say what trick does he have? I could put down five or six tricks that are better than most others in the competition, which is why he's got the record he has in his first five years. So it is a couple of people claiming that in the past it was 18 games. Just dizzy. It was 22. So it's one more game now. But I think the best Peter Blucher gave us the best measure last week, which he's updated for me this morning, votes per game. Nick Deikos across his career now is going at 1.42 votes per game. And Hayden Bunten is the only other player historically to have averaged better than one voter game.

10:09And he averaged 1.04. So at the moment it's 1.42 Deikos, Bunten 1.04. And below that, Graham Moss, who was there last night, 0.95 and Bonson Pelley and Cripps have moved to 0.93. So I'm not interested in anyone trying to diminish this. This stands to be admired and revered. So you have to be able to recognize and embrace greatness. I've said it all lived through this in lots of different ways. And like Kaviar and Winx, I think are not bad examples as people tried to hold, but it's this and it's, no, it's not. It's just greatness. And let's admire it. Let's embrace it. Let's see where it might take us. It's just thrilling to live in an era where this is happening with such a player. People have always said that you can't compare people to yesterday or night because it's the game's different. I'm sitting here going from when I first started, he's the most impressive young person I've seen come through. And I loved watching Juddy, even though we've got compared for a long time early on and

11:09hated that part of it, loved watching what he was able to do. The burst from stopper just loved watching guys develop in his third or fourth year to become what he did. Saw Buddy first hand coming about year three or four and then turned to kick a thousand goals from first game to impact. He's Nick is way ahead of anyone else in their first five years of football. And as you said, you got to sit back and just enjoy watching what could be something no one else would ever say again. But these players in their early 20s, Nick Deikos, Nick Watson and Will Ashcroft too. I know captured your eye for his craft and his sensibility in the prelim. Yeah, you sort of look back and go, young guys sometimes ego may jump in and we spoke out Nick is so impressive in putting things to the side. You talk about egos where if I was Will Ashcroft at 21 years of age, you've just hit the front, there's 30 seconds to go. He's got the clearance coming at the front of the stoppage. What would most people do? Would you want to put one through and make sure everyone's looking for that?

12:09There's a big time to stand up, kick the goal and go and celebrate. If you miss that shot and you give Hawthorne who we all know with their setups and their kick-ins, they got 20, 25 seconds to rebound and go up the other end. You put at risk of losing the game, Will Ashcroft had the smarts and this week we talk about ladies, you talk about smarts, you talk about understanding of the game. Will Ashcroft had the smarts to hold onto it as long as he needed to and then find a little uncontested mark to Kyle Lohman to give Hawthorne no chance at all to come back. I think you talk about he had high 20s touches and he kicked that beautiful goal from the pocket over the other side. That's where you understand how much players these days think and understand the game and what needs to be done at that time because a lot of players and I would have been one of that age, blazed away to try and be that hero, kicked that goal. He summed up the situation and he took any chance of Hawthorne rebending and winning that game. How was your emotional state during the time on period with your 12 clubs? It was a weird one. Either way I would have been happy and sad for both groups and obviously for the lines

13:13I wanted to see Fakes go on and try and get these three peat and I've got a really good relationship with a lot of the players because I played and coached there. But then on the Hawthorne side of things you sit back and the blokes that have given everything to football club to just be sure. I look at Blake Harbickoy who I, he's obviously wearing my number but I played a lot within my last year there just trying to develop him and sizzling these kind of guys. Just to try and see get them an opportunity to play on Grand Final day to try on when a premiership, you're flat for those blokes. Sammy obviously where he's come, he will get another opportunity as a coach going through. Jack Gunston, seeing him trying to get his fourth, he's got one more year contract, how much longer we go for. So I walked away, had dinner with my wife and two older boys and it was a weird feeling because I was happy for one group but I was extremely sad for the other group as well. What did you think of the game itself? I was unbelievable. It was, we were so lucky that both games, how they finished but the fact that you got wizard run around at 21, turning the game on its head to think that the Hawkes were 20

14:15points up during the second and then we just knew that the lines were going to come. It's just what they do. They have one quarter and they've shown it time to time again throughout the year. They have one quarter where they'll put you to the sword and if you can't defend that, we'll look at and all of a sudden the lines were 28 points up during the last quarter but the resilience, the grit from the Hawkes to not shy away from the contest and then goals to child Gunston, Watson, Watson again it was just an amazing finish to, I guess there's a lot of talk about the holding the ball and how that finished but as far as a prelimp fine or you sit back and go it's probably one of the better games that I've probably ever experienced watching. Hawthorne and Prelim say, right through your era and then here they are in the next year as well. Yeah, they're not great for a lot better when you're playing because you think about what you can do out there when you're watching you sit there and just hope and pray that the result comes out and for the Hawkes supporters and players it wasn't to be. Luke Hodge for Alex Scott and Start to sell your livestock or sell your home.

15:17The leadership challenge for our two grand finalists, the Brisbane Lions and free mantle, the tribunal case of Locky Meal tonight. I don't know if it's Hodgius, I know what Guilty looks like so he's the view that I've always interested. He's here in the studio for Vanguard. When did you last compare your suit? But this is waitly for Hyundai. It's game on it Hyundai. We can score great offers on a range of new and demonstrator models. Waitly on SEM. I don't see the Granny footage and that's all there is. Yeah, that's all there is. Yeah, I'd like to think he's got a case then because that footage is pretty grony and far away. It's hard to see the detail of the impact and things but if that's all there is, see how it goes. I actually think that's going to be hard to defend personally but my hope is that he does play. I think we suspend players for really innocuous things too often. But I do also understand the AFL have a responsibility and they could not have been clearer. They were just sick of these gut punches and they couldn't have been clearer.

16:19If you do it, you're going to get a week. There's no room to move which doesn't give much room to move. Chris Scott and Craig McCray with their view of the Locking Neal incident which heads to the tribunal tonight at five o'clock. I know what Guilty looks like Luke Hodgius. What do you think, Hodgius? I look. Teams that have success in September, Jared. Teams that put their ego to the side whether it's a player or a team. I reckon that's what the MRP should have done this week. Just put the ego. They looked at and goes, this is my time to shine. How can we get noticed? That's tongue in cheek for people out there only joking around but I think they could have let it go. I think if you look back and don't you say it's a grand final. Look back at the history this year of what has been suspended and what hasn't. You go to the ones that haven't been suspended. You go to the ones that what classifies as a fine. There's two that probably match up close to. That's the Newcomon Gorn and also the Hailey Read on Johnson with the Albalt the Stoppage. Both those players went down for a long period of time, a lot longer than what Jack Ginnivan did. Got up and was still struggling when they got the free kick when Johnson did and then

17:20Gorn took a long time to get up. Locking Neal comes in, throws an arm, shoulder hits. He's left shoulder hits the back of Jack Ginnivan's shoulder and then he's arm swings ran into the mid-review from what we can see. Jack Ginnivan gets straight back up, lock he turns ran, has a bit of gold him at flopping. I think if they looked at that and went back and reverted to the ones that they gave just fines for low impact to Newcomon Read, that's what it classifies as. It's not something where Ginnivan stayed down. He wasn't winded. He got back up and moved on from there. I think that would be the right one. I feel that's the way that the Tribune will see it tonight. They'll go through the 300 games, not the good bloke part that Basharhooli got a few years ago. They'll go back into say, look, he's had a record where he's been bashed from pillar to post. I put him with Sam Mitchell's up there with two blokes that just got whacked. Time and time again from week in, week out and didn't respond. They'll go that, they'll be physical, the ball will be hard, but they just copped it because they knew that that's just what footies about.

18:21Lockies played over 300 games and not being suspended. I think the Tribune will sit back and go, same as the Scotty Penderly one. We believe that this is too much question mark for him to miss a game. We'll give him a fine and move on. Yep. I think that would be the sensible outcome. I truly believe that's what will happen. If it doesn't, it'll require a lot of analysis given what's happened previously. I'm surprised how desperate some people are to have him suspended. I don't know what that's related to. Is that related to his off field or what? Yeah. No sure thing. That's where people, the like, the good bloke of the bloke. A nastiness and it's on the text, which I'm not surprised by much that comes on the text, but I think most of the time, historically, we've lent towards, it's a grand final. Come on. If you put, whoever's writing in as a text message, put your main player, your best player, and your play did that as a response, how would they justify that? Because you sit back and go, that's not really a missing a grand final, especially with

19:24a record and especially the fact that Ginovin just got back up. There's a lot of hate out there for his last 12 months and people would sit back and love to see him miss just because of what he has done in his own personal life over the last 12 months. Zero, four, double, three, nine, eight, eleven, sixteen is the 40 Winks, 10 per text, final personalized bedtime solution with our friendly neighborhood sleep advisors, 40 Winks, serious about sleep. We rely on you for our leadership at this time, particularly ahead of grand finals. Give me the free mantle challenge heading into the first grand final in this era and trying to make that breakthrough in club history. I think they got to revert back to, they played Brisbane. So they should be going into the game with confidence, the fact that they have won many quarters over these, over the final series. But when they've dominated, they've been hard to stop. They had the quarter against the cats in the first where they were outstanding. They had the last quarter against the swans. When they played Brisbane, probably about two months ago, two and a half months ago, they were dominant. They only beat Brisbane by 25 points, but they were about 40 or 50 points up at three

20:27quarter time. They shut down. Johnson went to Locky near. If Locky near is not there, Johnson will go to Will Ashcroft and make someone else stand up to beat him. They didn't use the Voss on Harris Andrews. It's a hunt mentality. Voss will go to Harris Andrews and torment him like he did to Tommy Stewart, like he's done to James Sicily in the past, which he didn't deal in the first final and Stewart was nowhere. That's how Voss plays his best game. If the Freemann don't go in there and you're thinking, we need to go and play our best football. No, you've got to go in there and hunt the opposition. It's almost the same for both teams. For Freemann, that's what draw on what you did in that game against Brisbane 10 or 12 weeks ago, draw on what you were able to do from the Jolong first quarter, the Sydney last quarter, and then don't second guess. Just know, have a bit of resuming in there. Know that the Lions will come. As we saw in the third quarter against the Hawks, the Lions will come at you. If they do come at you, drop your head. You've got to have that Steely resolved. If they get one or two or three through, don't let four, five and six come just as quick

21:28because that's where they get on top and that's where they can squash teams, especially this time of year in games that normally aren't high scoring. The Brisbane Lions have had a few of the high scoring this final series, but that's the Steely resolved from a Freemann on mindset, not to just give in when the Brisbane Lions are coming at him in one of these quarters. Do you think they're ready for it? They've been a little bit fragile in this final series. Actually, that's generous. They have been fragile in this final series and they've sorted some of their foibles out in a couple of games. They've been extremely fragile. They've won three quarters in three finals games. That is a team that's obviously, when they've played well, they've dominated. Against the Brisbane Lions, I'm not sure winning one quarter is going to get them over the line. Are they fragile? I said when they lost to Melbourne, I think it was around 20 or 21 at the MCG, did all those, the hesitant mindset go out? Did they learn enough? They're in the game against Melbourne. They had four offensive plays in that last quarter and they did the wrong thing. They were ego, they blazed away. They had a shot when they should have.

22:29They had four defensive efforts in that last quarter where it was more, it was lazy. They dropped away. They didn't defend properly. They were worried about getting the ball rather than defending. You do that against the Brisbane Lions. You won't win the game. So if they've learnt from that, if they've learnt from these other finals, what to do, what not to do. They've got the calmness, which is the most important thing. They've got the calmness in front of 100,000 people. The MCG we've only played there a couple of times this year. When push comes to shove, things haven't gone your way. Can they forget the situation and just play a simple game of football, which they've done 25, 26 times this year. Tom will tell you. Tom will tell. What about the lion's side of things from a leadership perspective? Don't just think it's going to happen. And we saw that against, if I was Chris Fagan, I would be drawing on what you learnt from Sydney. Don't just rock up and think, we've been there before Sydney or under me and we're just going to walk over it all over them. Passion and motion means so much in September. So rock up to this game. No, yes, we've got the experience. Yes, we're coming down on the Wednesday because we learnt a few years ago. It's the best preparation for us.

23:30But just don't think. I'll be pushing them to come out there, put free-manor to the sword. Make sure you go out there. You've got, don't let him have a win. No, it ends with, I'm bringing him back in. That's the big ombring because you got bolted down there. You got Dudley down there. You saw what Nick Watson did last week with that tall back end and that rebounding back end. You need someone to be able to shut down again when we've proven over the last few years. Small forwards, mid to small forwards are the ones who kick goals on Grand Final Day. Don't get beaten by having no ends worth on the sideline ready to be playing. When you've got bolt in there, when you've got Dudley there, when you've got Murphy Reed who may pop up, even though he's had a quite final series. So for the lines, don't you think it's going to happen? Be on edge. I like it. What's your week look like? Ambassador for the Premiership Cup? Yeah, there's a couple functions. If I've been really good, I'll do the parade on Friday. I got a couple things today, tomorrow on Thursday. But I've been left alone a little bit. I like Grand Final Day just to flow in.

24:30It's such an exciting day. I love it every year. Luck enough again to call it with Channel 7 this year. So it'll be pretty quite Friday afternoon Saturday, but midweek it's a little bit busy. You'll be everywhere. Are you in the parade? I'll be in the parade. I'll be in the parade. I'll be in the parade. Do I have to do all these years? It's been a good 10 years. So looking forward to it. Last time we had a few Hawthorn supporters here, so I hope they'll get abused by Freemann or Brisbane line supporters. Have you done votes for the coach of the year? I haven't, but I could go off the top of my head. So one up to three, three being the most brown low style. Who are your three coaches of the year? Three coaches of the year. I'll have to go one Cox. Dean Cox, just from where they came from last year. He did a lot of work over the offseason for missing finals last year. Yes, they had a lot of injuries, but he did a lot of work on understanding what the players need. And they were in good form until all the stuff that unfolded.

25:33But as far as how he got them, the emotion, he got them up for that first final. And they're a quarter away from playing in a grand final, which it was heartbreaking. Yeah, you're wanted for those players out there. You wanted them to get through because they did nothing wrong. So that's where I've got Cox. And there's a lot of coaches that have probably semi-mitchell's been unlucky there as well. Two just along with him. I feel that he has got him to a stage. He's got him through that shaky stage from around 20 onwards. That's why he's probably dropped. Even though they finished on top of the laddies probably dropped because it's still unknown how they're going to handle this pressure. They've been shaking the last six weeks. Can they respond? And the last one is Chris Fagan. And for people out there, it's not the bias stage. It's a coach who's been there numerous times. We look at halfway through the year when they had 14 or 15 injuries, where so many people said, do we put a line through the Brisbane Lions? I'm not, no, not yet. They've got resilience. There's storyline with it. Get it? Everyone back and let's see how they respond. So that's why I've got Chris Fagan for three for coach of the year. But J.L. Cox, he's semi-mitchell.

26:36Even King. That's the ending. There's so many out there. It's a great field this year. It is terrific. Hodgy, have a great grand final week. We'll do, Jared. Thanks. Right throughout the season on Tuesday, it's been great as always. Really enjoyed it. Luke, go ahead through there. It's selling your livestock or selling your home contact Alex, Scott and staff today for Makas, new cheesy ranchers, Nathan, the newsroom. Nate, thank you. We're going to stay with the coach of the year conversation. That's announced tonight's the Chief Executive of the Coaches Association to about to join me in the studio. This is WeightlyForPay.com.au, business owners, pay.com.au, and start earning rewards today. I think, folks, I just think he's done a remarkable job again to get that team having in Flowne. I don't know, I've given him away too much, but I voted for him as the coach of the year. I had four, and it's a bit hard to go past our Mitchell for me, but it's almost, it's less about who gets your three votes and more about who it didn't go. But what did Dean Cox do in an amazing job this year? Chris Scott and Craig McCray with us on AFL 360 last night pondering the AFL Coaches Association Award for the Senior Coach of the Year, which will be named tonight.

27:38The Chief Executive of the Coaches Association, Alison Nicholson, is in the studio. How great to see you. Thanks, Jared. Big night, because it's a terrific field to choose from. Absolutely. It's a fascinating award to see how our full coaching group will vote on this thing who's done the best. It's the home and away, and up to the prelim. We've got some, obviously, Stephen King and Josh Fraser with their first years and what Josh did at Carden. And then some four really fantastic, prelim final senior coaches. So it's a wide field, and it's going to be really interesting to see who the coaches think is the senior coach of the year. So Sunday night, the votes had to be in, but who votes? So all coaches in the AFL coaching, the coach for the clubs, they do. So development is system and senior coaches. So you get a really good spread of, and sort of if we get about nearly 180 votes, that they all vote, which is great. Three, two, one.

28:39Three, two, one. And yeah, so obviously that gives us a good winner, but in recent years it's been close. And I think what's interesting in the last eight years, four of the winners haven't been the Premiership Coach. And I think the default is, OK, well, the Premiership Coach is the senior coach of the year, but this award takes in all the stuff that goes in front of it, whether it's injury or home and away or close losses or whatever else. So yeah, a really interesting award to see who comes up tonight. Yeah, so a level of excellence sustained. The hot riser has always been popular in this award, but the newbies make it just so interesting. Absolutely. And for what Josh has done this year at Carden and even Stephen King and some of the offfield stuff that was happening with Melbourne, it will be recognised and I think we'll not be lost on people that have voted on the weekend. In your awards, you also recognise the sweet, the broader delegation of the coaching fraternity,

29:41which is a big part of it, isn't it? It's not just the senior coach these days. Yeah, absolutely. We have five awards. There's probably three. There's a Korean Education Award, a Development Coach of the Year Award, Assistant Coach of the Year Award and the Neil Danaheer Lifetime Achievement Award. So the first three are interesting because they actually show some interesting, I suppose, bloodlines in regard to the progression of coaches. So if you look at Korean Education, Stephen King has won that award, Andrew McWaltz won that award, both now senior coaches. And in the last four or five years, the people that have won that award are Jamie Graham, Daniel Pratt, Adrian Hickmont and Murray Davis, all guys that are in contention for senior roles. Development Coach of the Year, Craig McCraves actually won that back in the day. Craig's actually won the Development Coach of the Year, the Assistant Coach of the Year and the senior coach of the year and all his journey. And that is actually getting the Gold Silver Bronze, the three medals is actually a really

30:45hard thing to do because they're different skills if you're really good development coach. Certainly, it doesn't make you a good senior coach or assistant coach. You can become that, but it's not as easy. So obviously recognition for fly on that. And then the Assistant Coach of the Year, the last four winners have been Cameron Bruce, Daniel Pratt, James Raleigh, Troy Chaplin. This Friday returned to theaters for Avengers Endgame Encore. I know, I said no surprises. I've never really hoped to pull off one last one. Reassemble the team. Sixth on. Three teams. One shot. Re-live the experience. In that short time, time tends to mess back. The story continues. Tony, this is the second chance. Jolce Miss, Marvel Studios. Avengers Endgame Encore, early theaters Friday. Get to get to now. Really pity the team. Maybe in a corporate virtual dinner at 13. And Daniel G. and Syracusa. So again, all names that are in the mix for senior coaching honors. So some interesting bloodlines with those sort of more minor awards.

31:49If I'm running a coaching panel, I want to study these honor roles over the past five to six years. Yes, I see who's in there. That's right. So it's interesting just to follow that. And it does show, I think, the level of commitment and probably the understanding of that the broader coaching group around, you know, those people that are really dedicated to their profession and becoming better and being as good as they can be. And then you've got the Neil Danaheer Lifetime Achievement Award, which is now beautifully named in his honor and Chris Fagan received that not long ago in higher motion. So this is one that you cherish to be able to acknowledge a life lived in coaching. Absolutely. And Neil was CEO of the Coach Association for a period, obviously, you know, a 10 year senior coach and then done, you know, extraordinary things for our society and an Australian of the year. So it's the first time that we'll have the award without him. We'll obviously honor him appropriately.

32:49And the Danaheer family have been very giving in their engagement with us and that will continue into the future, which is a nice thing for the Coach Association and probably myself personally as well. It's been a tumultuous year for coaches with two gone early and Alistair Clarkson gone late. It's certainly been, each year offers a challenge and it's certainly been, you know, the one late was certainly hard and probably the manner of the exit. And I don't, it's always challenging, but I don't necessarily think the intent was there but just we don't want that necessarily in the coach exits to become the norm. I think what it also does now is pushes the whole coaching cycle back a little bit in regard to going to find, you know, a senior coach and then the knock on effect of that in regard to the broader coaching landscape. So obviously Corey Enright is moving to Jolong and that's probably the first sort of step

33:53into that sort of area and it's probably a little bit slower this year and obviously the North Melbourne thing compounds that more. Did you express your distaste for the Clarkson exit? So we, I've discussed that with North Melbourne, we'll have more discussions but I think the broader thing and where we want to take it is, as I said, even if it hasn't gone and there's constant challenges with that, there's still senior coaches to deserve some dignity on the way out and I know there's a call for transparency and things but I think, and this is something that we've talked to the IFL about and want to get the senior coaches together with the IFL later in the year and it will be an issue, I think it's how clubs actually plan and do this. Hopefully every club chair and board actually watched this and looked at this and then put it on their agenda for the next board meeting around how we actually potentially

34:54looking and doing this in the best way we can to represent our football club. It's challenging for everyone but what we don't want, what happened recently to become the norm. Protect the dignity of those who have served wholeheartedly. Yeah, I think so. Four-time Premiership Coach, 472 games, eighth all time, that will hold and once we get through this, that will still be there but I think as an industry and the coaches, there's any coaches know it's results driven so there's nothing about that but it's, how do we look after the coaches as much as we can when they do exit? The upswing is that Scott Pendlebury has expressed his absolute determination to enter the coaching profession and to get busy on that front and even to move his lighter playing days to do that. How heartening is that? I love it. I think it's fantastic and I'll be fascinated to follow his journey and he will really, really enjoy it.

35:56I think it'll be fantastic for him to move into state to a smaller club and understand that aspect of it. I'm a big supporter of coaches getting out of their state and moving at least for one job. So, look, I think he will just add great value to our cohort when he does get there and I hope he can salute one day and do what the likes of Chris Fagan's been able to do at Brisbane. What have you put in place progressively to enrich the prospects there is a group of young coaches who are now highly regarded, obviously level four has played a role in that. You're running a symposium. Do you feel like you have the right mechanisms in place to bring forward quality fields when these openings arrive? Yeah, I think we're definitely building back up. I think obviously it's well documented the coaching group through COVID took a big hit both from a numbers point of view but even from their feeling and stance in the game

36:59and the attractiveness of the profession. One of the things we're talking to the players association about and also the AFL is a potential internship or how we better open the opportunities for players to transition into coaching even if it isn't a full on sort of role. So I think at that end there's some channels that can be open more and Pendlebury might be the blueprint for that but even if that happens to more people in that role. And then I think more broadly we've advocated for a while now around just a broad industry strategy around coaching because 75% of coaches in the AFL have played the game. It's not like we go and grab a coach from the US or UK. So having a system that really supports that and going forward is really important because the players are demanding more and more and the coaching standard and quality needs to

38:01move with that. Terrific. Who's your tip tonight? My tip tonight. I can't say Jared. No, I'm very impartial in these things and the reality is I've got probably a line on each coach and some empathy with each. So we'll have a good winner and I'm just pleased for the guys that have got this far and then for JL and Chris Fagan on the weekend and their coaching groups. They couldn't do it without those coaching groups so wishing them all the best. And I hope that coach will join us on 3.60 soon after their announcement tonight. So that'll be great. Alistair, great to see you again. Enjoy your final week. Thanks Jared. Alistair Nicholson, the chief executive of the coaches association, the coach of the year to be named tonight. Andrew Dillon's about to join me in the studio. This is Wattley for Radius Telematics. Manage your fleet with Radius GPS Trackers. Visit radius.com. Wattley on SEM.

39:02But collect all of your messages. Share them with you shortly. The NAB Open Line 13736736. NAB your partner for first homes and second stories in the 40 Winks Teber Texture. 04.03. 98.11.16. The difference is temper, the brown load debrief and beyond the chief executive of the AFL is about to join me in the studio. Andrew Dillon coming up after the news and then we'll ring the trade bell with Sam Edmunds to keep 16 club supporters engaged in ground final week. This is your town. This is your station. This is Wattley. Ground final week, the brown load down the debrief to be had here and all the big issues face in the AFL. Andrew Dillon was before us last night doing his best and repetitive work. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes.

40:04Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycas, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Collingwood, N. Daycos, three votes. Colin Wood in daycoast three votes. Colin Wood in daycoast three votes. I imagine Andrew Dylan slept last night in Colin Wood and daycoast three votes. Andrew, welcome to the studio. Great to be here, Jared. Big night last night and a big week for footy. A great winner. Yeah, look, he's, I mean, what with five seasons in, he's been top three in the brown low now four times. An incredible footballing resume in a very short period of time. Did it pan out about as you expected? I, you know, I, I read and watch it, but you just never really know. But I sort of opened up as the votes got delivered.

41:06I was opening up the back end of the, of the rounds. And I could see a lot of threes there. And I knew he started well as well. So as is, yeah, really good winner. But it was also interesting, you know, in the middle part of the, of the camp where it was a bit closer, maybe people thought. So, Dipper and Diesel, I saw them both their last night. They won the brown low with 17 votes. We're up to 47. How do you think about where we are now? Yeah, I mean, it is interesting, Jerro, because Greg's one and I were saying, I think we, after 11 rounds, Nick was already on 19 votes. And I think Zach was on 18 and maybe, I think the bottom might have been 17. So they would have won those brown lows or equaled. So it's, maybe it's the way the modern games played with that, you know, hyper focus on the midfield. It is interesting. And, but if you have a look at all the awards that Nick's won this year, I think the brown low, it's probably fitting it shows how clearly ahead of the rest of the comp he was. Yeah, and he landed, if you did all the projections,

42:07in my opinion, he landed exactly with thought he would land. So this wasn't an anomaly. How many is too many? Is there a number that's too many? Well, I don't know whether there is, because it's just the way the game's played. And, you know, we might be seeing an absolute, not just a player of his generation could be a player of all time. And what he said, we were talking before, 1.4 votes a game. That's amazing. And he, he just plays the game in an incredible way. He's, you know, standing next to him, he's not an imposing physical specimen or anything, but he's just got unbelievable skills, endurance speed. And he knows the game back to front. First blush, do you think the umpires have been able to see some stats assisted, helped lessen the ridicule that has been around the last few years? Well, I don't think we've had the ridicule at all, but I actually spoke to a couple of the umpires after the count yesterday, because I hadn't been speaking to them during the year about it, but they said those ones, at least, were saying that they used the same process

43:10that they had previously, and they only looked at the stats at the end, just to confirm their initial thoughts. So, you know, maybe it was just one of those years. They didn't seem to be the anomalies that we'd had previously. Are you thinking that's been a good move? Well, I think it's one of those things, where if you've got the information at hand, I think it makes sense to be able to use it. Yeah. The EM or Broadly, particularly this final series, the way the numbers have grown week on week, the television numbers, the crowds, what do you think of our September setting so far? Yeah, look, it's been a great final series, unbelievably well attended, you know, the games at the MCG have been close enough to sell out to all the ones around Australia, you know, other than that first final in Sydney, but that was still a high 30,000. So, really happy with the crowds, the viewerships followed, but I think what's been the best is just how good the football's been. And I think that's what brings people through the gates, just seeing our best players on the big stage, playing the way they have been, and topped off on Saturday night,

44:12but one of, you know, an absolute game of the ages. The past four weeks has answered the question as to which is the right for number one sporting code in this country, hasn't it? I think that's right. I mean, it's just truly national. You know, we had the last five teams in the competition were representing the five states that currently have clubs, so it was, it's a good advertisement for the game, but again, it's the fans coming through the gates and watching these incredible players play. The heft of 90,000 plus crowds at the MCG, that that's, that that does rather speak for itself. Well, it's really, I mean, it's hard to replicate. I think if you go through even the home and away series, we had 40 crowds through the year that were over 50,000 and you know, other codes maybe just tip over that once. But we're mature now. We've seen a lot of, what do you think of the grand final pairing being both non-Victorian teams, descending on the MCG? What do you think the modern reflection of that is? I think our fans, and we've seen it here, they will watch, they love watching good games of 40.

45:14If you, if you're as a neutral, I don't think it really matters as a Victorian. If you're going back to the tradition, two good teams playing is what people want to see. And I think we'll, we'll see that on Saturday with over 100,000 at the G, and we'll see it replicated or shown up in the number of people that tune in as well. So it's, again, it's a national code. We've got this story's back to Victorian, links back to Victoria, you know, some of the best players, a lot of the good players for free-mantle, you've got ratios are wrong, young, all Victorian. So it is links back here anyway. What do you think the influx is going to be like from Perth? What are your indications? Well, I know that they were booking charter flights back in May. And that's, that was a gamble that paid off, yeah, very well for those fans that got ahead of it. So I think that's one of the interesting things about the non-Victorian teams making. It is that you do get that, you know, yeah, people descending on Melbourne, and it adds a bit of flavour. I think the town will be purple by Friday.

46:15Yeah, that's the feeling I get. And the prelim, the Brisbane Hawthorn prelim. Well, what are you thinking about it? How do you rate it? I look, I've watched a lot of footy over the years, and that has to be right up there. And you try not to think about, you know, is it recency bias, but it's really hard to go through. And, you know, I've seen heaps of really good games over the journey, but that was a game that had everything. It had the high scoring, it had great marks, amazing goals, straight kicking, physicality, and then some really tough, umpiring decisions. And, you know, whether it was controversial, but I think in the end it showed that the umpires made calls that were there and they made them right. Heading may have made the call at the end, the holding the ball call. Is he going to be a grand final umpire? I think there's a very good chance that he'll be an ounce late of this afternoon. Yeah, so that's validation of what he did when the moment required? That's right. And if it had gone the other way, maybe he wouldn't be, you know, gracing the stage on Saturday. So it magnificent occasion and it is sullied by what happened at the end. And you will have heard stories as we have.

47:17It became unsafe in the stands. So what have you made of what you've been told around the crowd behaviour at the end? I think there's nothing, I mean, there's a lot of words that go through my, but it's just absolute disappointment. We have, you know, the passion of our fans is great, but I think when it tips over the way it did on Saturday night, it's no good for anyone. And there will be people who are at those games that will find it hard to, you know, who are at the game, who will find it hard to come back again because of that. And that's really, really disappointing. And our fans over the years have been, I've been told off the saying is, but we do have the best fans in the world. But there's, you know, Saturday led a lot of people down. And we will be working with the MCG and Vic Pol, if we can to identify those, particularly throwing those bottles near the umpires as well. And we're working with the G on that. Have some been identified at this stage? We've had some were identified on the night. And we're working through, you know, using cameras and other forms of identification because it's a final, we know who every ticket was sold to

48:20and we could work through that full force of the law. What are the ramifications? Well, from an AFL and the MCG point of view with the ticketing conditions of entry, there will be a removal from any AFL game for at least five years and the same with the MCG. Have you heard the story of the young kid who was hit on the head and ended up going to hospital and having stitches? There's graphic vision of a woman being hit on the side of the head by a full bottle. Yeah, it's just, yeah, terrible. And it's, as I said, it's not something you want to see. And then it has overflows into it. And I don't know whether the people in New Zealand who were at the rugby league had seen what had happened, but it's just, it's not something that I don't think it's, uh, certainly not AFL, but I don't think it's sport in, you know, Australasia, or either we just haven't seen stuff like that before. So what do we do about it? So once you go through and punish, what do we do about it as a community? Well, I think it is something ultimately that the community has to place. And you, you know, we should be able to do that, you know, hopefully in the moment. And if you're with a friend and, you know,

49:20I saw people who were there who were Hawthorne fans were, you know, the emotions were high. And I think there was, they probably spilled over and they quickly in the aftermath. And then 10 or 15 minutes later, people reflect and I think they probably may be potentially a little bit embarrassed about some of the carry on. The two Hawthorne players have been heavily fined. I think you could make the case that they're quite lucky that it stopped at a fine. Was it enough for Barra St. Sisley to have heranged an umpire in such a way? We find, because that was, you know, they're the provisions under, under the rules and regulations as they stand. I think it would be something that we might look at in the off-season just to make sure that that's absolutely the right level of sanction because I'm not saying that that's the reason why, but it's all of these, you know, small things can maybe add up. And, you know, what we don't, we need to respect our officials. We should be doing that and it's not good enough. Should there be a level in future that can result in a suspension? That, that, I think having that option, Gerrit,

50:21is you may not use it and you probably wouldn't want to use it. Well, you hopefully you wouldn't have to use it, but I think having it there as a safe gap is something that we might be looking at. Was that Twilight slot the best presentation of the game? It was, you sort of get, as I said, like with the game we saw everything and then you get the best of, you know, the daytime for the first half and underlights for the second half. Yeah. So I won't dance around the question. Could that be a future grand final? Look, I think at some stage, that might be the case, but we will work through with the broadcasters, with the venue, with our clubs, and importantly, the fans. And, you know, the fans showed out in force for the preliminary final on Saturday, but we would have had a similar number if it was at night, and we probably would have had a similar number if it was at 230. So when we're making our decisions, we're always looking at what's best for the 40, what's best for the fans, and what sets us up best for the future, and there are three filters that we'll put over it. Offences come roaring back, and the set of ball up scoring has been the distinguishing feature of September.

51:23Is this a vindication of the rule changes that have progressively been made? I think the rule changes are a part of it, and a big part, or not a big part of it, but they're certainly a part of it. But when you've got teams with the skill caliber, particularly Hawthorne and Brisbane, and the way that they move the ball, and the offense out of the centre, there was a lot of defensive, not there was pressure there, but just incredibly, the ruckmon who can leap and then put the ball, and on the chest of those midfielders, and it's just there's nothing better, I reckon, than a midfielder streaming out, and then hitting it forward, or punching it long, and all that we've played at a much lower level than what we saw on Saturday as a defender. It's not something you're like with the ball, just banging in like that. And then we saw those, but when the marks were taken, the forwards went back, and they nailed those goals as well, which was great to see. Do you like the look of the game at the moment? Yeah, I do like that, but Friday night was a very different game,

52:24but it was compelling nonetheless as well, and the swans put on an incredible amount of pressure, and they just probably sort of fell short, just in that last bit of the last quarter, where they were just out on their feet, but they were in at right till the end. The total game time of Hawthorne and Brisbane was 134 minutes. I don't think anyone wants to give back one single second of that game. Does that filter into your overall conversation about reducing the footprint of the time into the game? Yeah, we talk a lot about that, but one of the things when you're wanting extra scoring, which every, the break between every goal is close enough to a minute. So if you want scoring, you will have slightly longer quarters. I think it's when you've got the 20 minutes, you want as much of that as being in play rather than standing around waiting for either whether it's boundary, I'm pious to get set or recommend to get in place. And I think that's the bit where I think you can cut little bits off, but we want 20 minutes of play, and I think what we saw on Saturday was amazing. Yes, so I think that's an important answer.

53:25Is your guiding principle the 20 minutes? It is for me, and it's just making sure that you've got that when the ball's in play for that period of time. So getting rid of the dead time in between, when it's time off, making sure that that's as short a period as possible. Notwithstanding there is a tribunal case tonight, was it necessary under the gut punch crackdown of this year to have issued a suspension to Locking Hill? Yeah, I'm comfortable with the way the MRO has graded with the vision that I've seen. And then ultimately, there'll be a tribunal process that'll play out tonight. Yeah, we're lucky. Has got some arguments that he can make, and you'll make them in front of an independent tribunal. Do you think the gut punch crackdown has served the game well? I think it was something that Greg was really strong on, and I backed him on that, and I think it is not something that we need to, we want to see. And I think there's been nine suspensions so far this year, which is a lot less than we had in terms of fines the year before. If a player misses a grant, this is always the litmus test.

54:26If a player misses the grand final for an incident like that, will that sit okay with you? Ultimately, they're the rules. And if the rules are applied, he's, and as I said, he, you know, not judging Locking before he's gone before the tribunal, and he has other arguments given the longevity of his career that he can put forward. I'm just reading Cal Tumey's reporting around an Essendon Assistance package. What has the AFL given to the bombers? So the bombers, we, you know, Greg Swan, Tom Harley and the team have worked really closely with the bombers and what they need is some more experience there. So they'll have two additional rookie spots, which they can add, you know, whether it, you know, experience players onto the list. So just two additional rookie spots is what they'll have. Is that a recognition that they do need help? Well, that Essendon asked for, and we feel that they do need that. They have to continue to replenish through the draft, but they also, they've had a, you know, players leave over the last couple of years. And I think they need some experience around them as well. The other element that has been reported

55:26across the past couple of days is, have you reached a position where, if there are no police charges for the Sydney Five, there will be no further sanction from the AFL? No, well, what we have said is that we'll wait until the police, wherever the police investigation ends up, and then have a look at it then. Will it, will there be an integrity unit investigation once the police process is finished? Guaranteed? No, not Guaranteed. I said, what will do is look at it when we get to that place. So it may not be the form of an investigation. This Friday returned to theaters for a ventrous endgame encore. I know I said no surprises. I've never really helped any pull off one last one. Reassemble the team. Sixth on. Three teams. One shot. Relive the experience. That's your time. Time attends to match back. The story continues. Tony, this is the second chance. Don't miss Marvel Studios. Avengers Endgame encore only be this Friday. Get tickets now. We need to be to their team, maybe in a corporate for children at 13.

56:28Did the AFL alter the rules around trading in the Todd Marshall instance that the Bulldogs and Port Adelaide had been working toward? Now, there was a clarification set out last year in a memo that, because we talked about the natural operation of the draft, there was some examples given. And it was a three or four page memo, but it was really clear what it was doing there. And it was, if there's an exchange, or if there's a free agency transaction between clubs, then there can't be top up payments in a separate transaction in the same trading period. Are you mindful that you don't want some on the outside? We would see as dodgy side arrangements to facilitate a major trade? What, I mean, the rules for every day have been that every trade has to stand on its own with free agency and the compensation, which we know is linked to the remuneration that the free agent gets. That then is a big determining in terms of the compensation that the team losing the free agent gets.

57:29And what we don't want is that being manipulated artificially to get a higher compensation, because it's the other 16 clubs that pay the price for that compensation. So it's a rule to protect all of the other clubs and comfortable with that. We're embarking on our biggest week of the year and we lived at the NFL week here a couple of weeks ago. Did you learn a few bits and pieces from that? Yeah, it was what we saw. It was great the way that they worked in with the government and the city of Melbourne and lit up the city. And we've been able to use that as well for the finals for preliminary final week and grand final week. I think they present their game unbelievably well. They, you know, any dead time is filled and we've got to marry up though out. We've got a different fan base to the fan base that went to the NFL. But I think what they do do is they work really hard. They don't, they leave nothing to chance. They, to put that game on, there was multiple, multiple visits from both teams and also the NFL over a long period of time

58:29and super professional organisation as you'd expect. But also really good to deal with. They know what they want but they have a really good way of going about their business. So I think we've seen over the past four or five years grand final week and day has grown and grown. Do you think there's still more that can be done? Yeah, absolutely. We, you know, the grand final, we've had 100,000 there for the last X number of years. But what I think we have been able to do, you know, working with the government, state government and also the city of Melbourne and the MCC's activate outside the MCG in the days leading up. And even this year with the NFL coming, some of the activations were bored into place even earlier which were able to be used on preliminary final weekend. So I think turning the, you know, the grand final which is an amazing game into an event which is in the school holidays with our footy festival which is free for, you know, families to come and enjoy, play assignments and also just interacting, you know, during the school holidays.

59:30So I think the more that we can add to it and turn what is an amazing game into an event, week long event is really important. So the genius of the morning of the NFL game was the MCG campus with the gates set back. And I've never seen, I've never seen the G like that. It was just magnificent. You're not going to do that? We have for a grand final and for our games with, you know, the agreement that we have in place with the MCC where you have an MCC members area and you have an AFL members area. So that free flowing campus doesn't quite work because of the setup that we have. It doesn't mean that we can't look at potentially looking at the fence being further out but then maybe having a second layup because I think what we've seen, particularly, you know, the Australian opens a really good example of an event that attracts tens of thousands of people but they've only got seating for, you know, Rodlava's 12 or 15,000. They might have Margaret Courts 8 or 10 and then they've got Keira Reiner and others. So you can get four or five times as many people

1:00:31into the precinct as you actually have watching the tenets. So is that the vision? Yeah, I think the war that we can engage people with our game and people want to engage with our game differently. The lots of, you know, the game on the field, there's 100,000 and 24 or so will be there on Saturday but a way to be part of the atmosphere whether it's live sites and the like, engaging in different ways. We've got lots of fans who like doing that as well. Have you committed yourself to a tip for Saturday? As in the weather. No, look, I think what we've got is two really different stories. And it's great, you've got free mantle being in the competition since 95 trying to win their first and then you've got the Lions who, you know, only two, they don't even become the second team to have multiple three-peaks which would be an incredible effort. When you look at, you know, the EBS and Flows that they've had between 2000 and to where they are now. It's an incredible story. And it is a story that just shows if you get the right people in the right spots making the right calls,

1:01:32you can turn anything around. Andrew, thank you. Thanks for coming. I'm saving all my Kylie stuff for tonight. So we're getting right into Kylie tonight. So four wands. Come right around with it into the car. I'll do my research, Jared. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Andrew Dylan, the chief executive of the AOF Lies on the AFL 360 with Gazz Knight tonight as well. For City Power, Melbourne's weather, sunny atop of 17 bad weather, when before bad weather hits, be prepared and sign up. The SMS outage alerts all at citypower.com.au. This is Waitley for Hyundai. It's game on at Hyundai where you can score great offers on a range of new and demonstrated models. Now back to Waitley. It's final time. I want to sit down to remember. Dependable defenders. Depend. Tackle everyday bladdle legs with depend guards. Johnson, can you pop it over the top? That was somehow found some space. At the last minute, Zach Dawson stills a back cover sucker. By scholarship to Ablett. From 18 meters, he drills along to the tip of the goal square.

1:02:34Big flyers wandered. Barco handles over. It's a shampoo butt shambles. That shambles kick the goal. Oh, it's a dimmer to remember. Depend. Get back to your best self. Depend tackle everyday bladdle legs with depend guards. Some of your thoughts after Andrew Dillan in the studio, the 40 wings, 10 per text, 0, 4, double, 3, 90, 8, 11, 16. The difference is 10 per gram. So glad to hear he wants 20 minute quarters. Andrew, surely the AFL cannot reduce game time. Now that we've witnessed Saturday in a pure epic high octane preliminary final that produced 250 plus points, keep it at 20 minutes. But let's not stop the clock at every stoppage. That's a fair compromise. That very much felt like what Andrew was thinking and saying. So, Domma, I read that the same way. Jared, there's no way the ground final can be at 515. People would beat that drunk by then and would cause all sorts of crowd issues.

1:03:35230 is perfect and there will be no difference in crowd or dollars for the AFL. I can't quite grasp the back end of that. I don't think. Anyway, no, that's a perfectly legitimate view. Andrew Dylan must stand up stronger against Hawthorne fan behavior, condemn the fans and the behavior. Stand up against it. His look, raw response just now is not acceptable. We cannot afford to take this lightly and have this behavior become the norm too soft yet again. That was a pretty hard line. And let's see what happens from here. Jared Umpires, like the AFL coaches, should have a dedicated security team to escort them to and from the field of play. Reminds me of the day, the mounted horses. And yes, it was a hot environment to be walking off unassisted. That's for sure. And the MC, this is Pete in Mount Waveli, the MCG violence for starters, the AFL and Hawthorne need to reach out to the injured parties and turn a negative into a positive free ground final tickets. This is an obvious first step with sincere apologies

1:04:35by senior officials to their respective parties. Sicily has to be suspended. It is a joke that is not absolute joke. Just do it. In fact, it would be stronger if Hawthorne do it Pete from Mount Waveli. So there's not provision within what the AFL has to have done that. But I think you can take it as read that over the summer. That sort of provision will be introduced into the laws of the game. For Maca's new cheesy range, she has naith in the newsroom. Join Can and King Live at Paul Manismehl on this Friday at their ground final e-show with official farball merch on sale and $10 Hanne Super Dry Pints all September. I just I've lost this text message before. But I want to read the correspondence where I've irritated someone the absolute most Adam. You'll ignore this, but it's the truth. I won't ignore it, Adam. Your bloody-minded approach when arguing with Gary about Locky Neal was the most infuriated. I can remember being an immediate person. Gosh, that's a rich field, Adam. I'm flattered to be at the top of it. As a teacher, it was akin to a student getting caught red-handed and just refusing to accept responsibility, denied, denied, denied.

1:05:37Clearly, you want him to get off and that's fine. But to deny the vision shows what he did. You know what he did is complete nutter BS and you know it. I just it's just another part of the vision slowed down and zoomed in. He ran over him from behind and unsuspectingly punched him in the guts with a closed fist. If you deny that, you are disingenuous. Fine, you think you should get off, but get serious, Jared, or the teacher will never believe your integrity again. As Adam, you can believe whatever you want to. That vision does not show what you said. And this is the whole problem. The only evidence on which this charge is laid is on that grainy vision. You can't see whether the fist is closed or open. You can't see whether the contact is made to the guts as you pointed or the chest. You can't see whether it's a body check, a swinging arm or a strike. It's so you can pretend that you can extrapolate whatever you like. This is an especially weak case and I would expect the lawyers to punch holes in it tonight.

1:06:38The only piece of vision is inconclusive. So you can extrapolate whatever you like and suppose what happened, but it doesn't show what you said happened. It probably happened that way, but that's not what the charge is. And that should be the centerpiece of the defense tonight. That vision is, you think the Dempsey vision was not definitive. It's completely inconclusive. So yeah, that is absolutely my opinion. It's not disingenuous. You can have a different opinion, but that vision is the only evidence there is and it couldn't be less convincing. You can extrapolate whatever you like, but it doesn't show what you say it shows definitively. So that's why there'll be a hearing tonight. I fully expect Neil to beat this on one of two fronts and to be there in the ground final. And it's a problem if he's not, if that's what we're using as definitive vision to spend players.

1:07:38I don't like that as a future precedent. So Adam, you and I will see it differently, which is totally fine, but it's not bloody minded. That's how the lawyers will approach it tonight. This is wadleyforpay.com.au. Piss the Sona's pay.com.au and start earning rewards today when I ring the trade bell with Sammy. Wadley on SEM. The most thrilling sound in football. The trade bell for Vanguard. When did you last compare your Super Seven? Welcome. Boy, that's some colourful language for the bell, isn't it? Have you upset a few? There's some text coming through here. This might be an awesome moment for you to take a break. It's a great final week, people. It's a great final week. You feel the joy. There's some firm feedback coming. Yeah, yeah. Text. There's a degree of nastiness. Big hearing to not. Yeah, yeah. Which, I was to other things. In the past, I would have felt really confident with the phrase,

1:08:40what's happening at the Pullman Hotel? Yeah. It just was a sense of eggs, Super-o-no. No, I know. It's happening at the Pullman. It's like when you're looking for a car and you've got a car in mind and then suddenly you see it everywhere on the road, a particular brand of cars. Like the center of the football world appears to be this hotel. So, yeah, the clubs are sitting down there this morning to sort through the latest list management conversations and machinations during the day. That's happening now. At the last time they did this couple of weeks ago, the clubs all sorts of things emerged. This was Lockhe Whitfield and Harry Himmelberg and Mungham being floated by obviously GWS. By the way, Lockhe Whitfield still know, update on him. He couldn't call it at the moment. It's the balls and the call of the other clubs at the moment. But if a deal does manifest itself or present, then that's something that could definitely take place. And just while we're up on the subject of conversation, so Sydney's last day for exits is tomorrow. Hall forns is coming up to either tomorrow or Thursday. So, we might get some clarity on those two teams at the point and as well, obviously, Zintrag over Joel the Marty.

1:09:40Not sure what happens in the, it is exit meeting if anything. And there is the possibility, the swans have left the door a jar this morning. There is the possibility that the five players who have been banned, funnily enough for the hotel series of allegations, do come back before their teammates break for the year. So, the swans have left the door a jar for that happening before the players leave for the year. And that would involve obviously coming face to face with their teammates. Again, we know they've started in touch and addressing the wider playing group. So, we'll see how that pans out from a Sydney point of view. And then the Orcs have had Ben King at the VFL Grand Final over the weekend as well with his brother Max watching Box Hill win that premiership. So, Hall forns now with their season done, turn their attention fully to acquiring Ben and also Zach Merritt as we know. Jaden Short was yours from the outset. This has grown from a hint to happening. Yeah, we discussed him more than a week ago. We did link him to Collie. We know the Pies do have an interest in short. And that's something that's been driven by the coach of Collie with Craig McCray as much as anyone at the Pies.

1:10:40But what became clear yesterday, Jared, yesterday, Jared was that this is Jaden Short wanting a fresh start as opposed to the Tigers turning their list over. So, this is what we were unsure of. But now we can say that Jaden Short's grown increasingly unhappy with his role at Richmond, the way he's used at Richmond, how often he's used, and just the simple parameters around how he's allowed to play the game at the Tigers under this coaching structure. So, young group, and I think he might even be a little concerned that if he lets this play out over the course of the next two years, it is contracted. The coach might look to go past him sooner rather than later, which is seen developing groups. So, 30 years of age looking to jump now for a new lease on life and to potentially prolong his career at a different club. So, you can see how it makes sense. Collie would earn on their own in their interest. You'd say they're definitely most likely though. And what Richmond would be willing to accept in a trade if anything is the unanswerable question at the moment. That will need to play out over the coming days and weeks.

1:11:40And this is where does Dan Houston tie into any of this? We asked Craig McCray last night. I hope to think so. Yeah, I hope to think so. We think Dan's got, yeah, we're all, we've got another couple of years to run at least on his contract. But I know externally he's well judged, but internally he's well loved. Interesting. Yeah. Now there's a bit of dock tuning with that, isn't there? Maybe there's a world where Collie would say Dan Houston continuing, obviously in a certain role next year. They see Jaden Shaw coming in. Josh Dacos, they just make it work. Perryman as well. But at the moment, that's what we know. We don't know the reasons why, but that's what we know. Just on the subject of Collie before we leave them from Daniel, we get a question about Bobby Hill every time I'm on jail. I'm not sure about Tom, but they come thick and fast. The question being, is there any word on where he might go next year? Daniel, there's not. There's no interest in him yet. If there is going to be from a club, I mean, we're told he's training. He's staying fit. If there is to be interest from a club, it's going to come really late. I reckon in the period. A couple of big players who move right to the front of the stage in various scenarios.

1:12:43The first of those was Alex Tarou, just receding into the background. It is. And all songs now well and truly point to him, staying put at the same. So whether the dance was worth, you know, the juices worth the squeeze, probably remain to be seen here. But he two of the sons, as we know, they had a look, but not for them. He's got one more year on his deal to run up my ravinger. It's a lot of noise, but he's now got his head around putting his head down and getting on with it next year and proving himself. Now, I'm told he's pumped for that. It's nothing further to see there. It would appear, but you know, that blew up big time last week when various conversations had around Alex Tarou and his future and where his contract is sat. And then I would be, if you gathered a group of a hundred random footy supporters and asked them who Flynn Riley was, I wonder how high or low the recognition would be. Well, he's been the work, because he's a big man. He's a huge unit. If you add him lined up on the wall, you'd have no problem picking him. He's 210 centimeters and growing, but he's a one-game ruckment, Jared. Now, this is the curiosity of the trade period.

1:13:44He wanted a new contractor, Carlton. He was out of contract. He's a one-game ruckment. Now, the Blues wouldn't offer anything more than a two-year deal, which you'd thought was probably standard. He was pushing for more. In the end, he's got more. So he's told Collinwood and Carlton on Sunday that he wants to trade to the pies. He's got a three-year deal on the table from Collinwood with a trigger, a very soft trigger I'm told, for a fourth season. So he's got tremendously good security there from Collinwood for a guy who's played one game. But as I say, a mountain of a man still growing, promise all the rest of it. But three years with a very good chance of securing a fourth is pretty good going. So Flynn Riley, as unrecognizable as he may be, is going to be playing for Collinwood next year. You'd be almost certain of that. I had a couple of people at the Brownlee last night around Jake Stringer. I said, no, no, this is not my brief. But I'll ask Sammy on the trade bell tomorrow. Oh, right. I go home for Stringer. I don't know. I don't think so at this stage. Again, that might be one of the... It would be. He's had a pie... He's had a pie... He's had a pie... ...if there was no home across the whole competition.

1:14:45100 shots at goal he's had in the year that was. So, yeah, I mean, I think we know why there's a conversation to be had around him. Again, he's a little bit like the conversation we just had earlier. Bobby Hill in the sense that if it's going to come, it's going to come late. But I tend to alarm myself with your school authority. It would be very hard to get your head around him being lost to the game after a season in which he's had 100 shots at goal and kicks in big bags too. Match winning bags. Yeah. So, yeah, all to play out. All to play out. Have to meet, wouldn't they? That have to be. I think so. So, Jordan Buts did a medical yesterday at the Western Bulldogs. The big weekend, the Western Bulldogs, because our Zack Butter's meeting a lot of his prospective new teammates there. Now, this... Where this goes from here, nobody knows. In terms of what the deal would look like for Zack Butter's, I think to skip a million steps, the deal happens. I don't think anyone's in any doubt that it happens. It just does. It's just a matter of what it looks like, what club is willing to give, what clubs willing to accept, what other clubs might get involved in that exchange, amid the debate of what's permissible and what isn't, which has been far harder

1:15:49to put your finger on than it probably should be. But this is the era that we live in sometimes with this league, unfortunately. All right. Are you happy today? Yep. Happy Thursday at the live site at the van at the footy fest. Yep. Trade radio getting underway this week as well. So we'll let that rip this week from tomorrow onwards. But yep, we'll be down at the live site, Yarra Park. Longform correspondence, waitly at sen.com.au. Ping your texts through. We keep an eye on all of them. We mark them down. It's a progression. I always stay for 10 minutes and I know you, Jared. I don't leave the studio in a hurry. I go through all these texts. So no text goes to wait. Send them through. We'll follow them all up. The trade bell for Vanguard. This September joined the Vanguard Super September Challenge and take a closer look at your super. This is waitly for radio telematics. Manage your fleet with radio GPS trackers. Visit radios.com. Once I have your say, ring Jared on 1300 736 736. Now back to waitly. Sam is still reading all of your texts.

1:16:51When he said no text is wasted, he was telling you the absolute truth. He's just accumulating stuff at Thursday on the trade bell right now. So good on you. Keep pinging them through. He might stay right through across the divide. In the Vanguard studio, when did you last compare your super? The NAB Openline today, 1-307-367-36. NAB, your partner for first homes and second stories in the 40-winks temper text. 0-4-398-1116, the difference is temper. We are due across the divide. We're also due for our AFLW rap. North Melbourne got beaten. So a seismic event in AFLW. So Ron Hussain is going to bring us up to speed with that. Right in the middle of the hour, we'll get a lot of your thoughts. There's been so many text messages this morning. I'll put a couple of calls in. Although midday madness is the best chance for all of that. This is your town. This is your station.

1:17:52This is Waitley. Tonight, the coach of the year will be announced by Pierre Acclaim. The two-ground final coaches foremost in the thinking, Justin Longmuir and Chris Fagan. Then on the next tier, or you can make a case, certainly for Dean Cox, what he was able to do over the last month of the season, Sam Mitchell, a sustained level of excellence. Stephen King is the newbie. I'm a bit drawn to what Joe has text through. Is Josh Fraser, I think, would be on my voting card. If a plane leaves its course by just 1%, it may end up hundreds of kilometres from its destination. Small changes in direction repeated over time can lead to dramatically different outcomes. Small changes, big outcomes. Whereas Carlton were completely off course. Fraser was just able to redirect the plane, not just able to redirect the plane, but turn it around completely. All great coaches and well-deserved award winners let's see how it lands tonight. Right over to you across the divide. Feel like we had a good win last week. They drew a crowd in Sydney, so respect there, but the number one code is clear.

1:19:01Look, the AFL always look down their nose at rugby league. They treat us as second-class citizens. It's obvious we've got them rattled. And the figures and the facts speak for themselves. We measure ourselves on traditional metrics like people turning up to games, people watching, how long they watch for. They can have, they can have, but they won't blow our house down. It's solid to reckon. We're going to get stronger, and we're going to take some of their fans. Vossy together again. Hey. Here we are. Can't be as interesting as last week, can it? But I must say, I'm watching the AFL. I just made the comment before the news. The Rams fans seem pretty happy with their view today. No one's sitting at ground level, and they seem closer to the action. They seem far more engaged. No, just that aside, did I miss anything with the Brown La Metal last night? Obviously, it's a massive, massive-winded Nick Deikos and 23 years of age. The world is his oyster, but as an event, as a television product, or have I missed anything? So I was there last night, and it's one of the best counts I've been to.

1:20:02Which was a high bar because it was a total foregone conclusion. But it managed to harness the energy of Winx and Black Caviar, as we're all there cheering for one result. And the more he pulled, the happier everyone was, and he built his lead, and was home with three to go. So sometimes it's about a competition, and sometimes it's about a coronation. And a coronation has a pretty rich place in sport. Well, across the, let's say, we just put rugby league in AFL, and I go back to one of the greatest things that happened was the Drawn Grand Finals. We go all the way back to the 70s. Suddenly, you have your first Drawn Grand Final. We have our first Drawn Grand Final. I wonder whether the son of a great winning the Brownlow medal gets repeated in the Dalyam's next week for the rugby league and the son of not that Ivan Cleary is quite great, but Ivan Cleary achieved plenty in his career. Does the son of the father also win the feature award in the NRL? Wouldn't that be a little bit of synergy? It's a reward, and it is, you're right, it's uncanny how often there are echoes across our codes.

1:21:05So it is worth his, Nick Daycross is in his fifth year. He's played a hundred and eighteen odd games. He's talking about on stage. He's got this lovely reference to when I was young. Oh mate. You're still young. Wow. Tell over the 23 year on on stage. He has won the lot inside five years, and he stands at the summit of our code, which is I'm always marvel at the capacity of the game to regenerate its talent. And this is true in every sport. For it to regenerate so quickly here and have a 23 year old now, the undisputed number one player in the game is pretty phenomenal.

1:22:16And the fact that he carries the name of one of the most fondly thought of players. Peter Daycross was a, he was a marvel. He was a genius. He got the ball to bend in ways that had never been done before, phenomenally popular. And then he has two sons who play and one is just, I mean, to be better than the father, it's breathtaking. As I say, quite apples with apples with respect to Ivan Cleary, comparing the Nathan situation with his dad. But where we could have something is a first time Premier. Now Dolphins are in that category and you know, a newbie, a new team relatively speaking, first time ever in the finals, not just going for a premiership. They are a massive chance Friday night, packed house at some call, Dolphins or Queensland's team. And I know you could say, well, there's two ways of synergy.

1:23:16You could have a Brisbane team and a Queensland rugby team winning the comp. But I'm going to go with the first premiership line. Who do you think, like some people are telling me Brisbane's across the line. I would want to have fallen down. No. So can I first things first with the Dolphins? So this matters across code. So this is year four, yeah? Yeah. We're all expanding at the moment. Yep. So to be in preliminary finals in year four, outstanding. And I think to be studied a little bit. So Fremountall Season 32, second time to the grand final, haven't won it yet. So these are the extremes of it. Aren't they? It illustrates how hard they are to win as you're trying to build your club. Now I think Brisbane are your pen-a-pen-roth. They are the champs. Yep. They take so much beating and their level of excellence is sustained and their talent is unparalleled. The question for them will be, can they, have they got four quarters left in them on this,

1:24:16this is not just one campaign. They are playing 27 games a season, three years in a row, so more than anybody else, have they got the full four quarters left in them? Yeah. I suspect if they do, they win. It wouldn't surprise. If they ran out of gas halfway through the third quarter and we sat around Monday, went, oh, well of course they ran out of gas. That's possible. So I wouldn't discount Fremountall in any way. Now Jared, I said you're saying the program. The Locky Neal Incident, the Gut Punch. Would not have knocked a maggot off a chop. How can that cost you a grant fund? Yeah, it's one of the weakest cases I've seen go up. But I've said this this morning, but I see I'm quite surprised. I try not to be overly surprised with the layer of feedback that comes through. There's an appetite to have this player suspended from this grant fund, which I suspect owes to, frankly, Chelyan on his wife. It has nothing to do with football in the view of, that's what I think is coming through.

1:25:16And there are people who are inventing what they think they can see in the vision. And I actually think that the MRO has done that. I think he's extrapolated what happened there rather than judging. Yeah, that doesn't meet the threshold for me, but I shouldn't be surprised. There are a lot in the AFL community who are just going, no, no, this is a straight up one week's suspension. There we go. So you stuck with that. We've got our own controversies at the moment. We're going to refer to our top two referees. That's Gline last week. Doesn't make it call last minutes of worry as a night. It could have, or would have sent the game to extra time. He's now gets dropped. So we almost have, we play like a game show with our referees, not your own pies, but it's almost like last band standing. It's a joke of assist. I can't defend it, Jared. I cannot defend the sacking if he's one of our best two referees last week and makes a mistake that we just, we play this a liminator, this game of survivor.

1:26:16So we can get down to grand final day. What if they both have howler moments this weekend? Do they get dropped in? Do we get out of the, what the fourth choice? Yeah. Yeah. Because AFL operate like, have you got to have a scalp? Have you got to have a scalp? Because you had some big calls. Yeah. So big calls last week here. Hayden may have made the, the big call at the end. Yeah. Hold in the ball, which was, not only correct, it was mandatory. And he selected for the grand final. Andrew Dillon was just in the studio saying he's in, he's in the grand final because he made the call that the game needed. Which I think that's the biggest challenge in these moments for referees and umpires is to do what must be done, rather than shirking it. And I do think if you shirk it, you don't have business being in the next big game. You have to be, you have to stand your ground. If it's the dead obvious, not shirk or make mistakes. Yeah. So there's a difference there. There is a clear difference there. Like a not the margin call is, it's the one where it's in front of you and you go, I know this is a free kick and you don't have the courage to pay it. That's out. If you, if you, if you can't meet the moment and what the game demands,

1:27:19yeah, they're out. So I, I don't mind that side of it. Hey, so we, we have a problem together this week. The, the pelting of, ah, referees and umpires with bottles, what the Hawthorne fans did as they behaved like a wrestling crowd, to be honest, at the end of that game. And, and through projectiles out under the field and kids have been hit, one ended up in hospital, the woman was hit, you can see it on the vision. So this is, and it's not that, that these are necessary confrontate, a necessary and confronting conversations. How do you get the buy in of our sporting communities in the moments of maximum controversy, rage, call it whatever you ask that we don't degenerate to this? But, but how is it possible? I mean, I, I have gone to sport all my life and at no point, like you may yell out things and, but it wouldn't be slanderous, but to actually do that.

1:28:22One, you're a coward, two, you're a criminal, like you're a criminal. It's, it's a criminal act to throw a projectile. There's nothing fun about it. There's nothing funny about it. I, like, I don't know what we do, like, and, and I know, you know, we, we are pitching voters. The throw of a cans worth an a pitching voter. For, for mine, um, do you name and shame? Like, what, what is the process here? Do we, do we just move on? We never hear the light of day, but it would name and shame. Have any impact on that and bring notoriety to it. Maybe. But more people do it. We're just in this, this quandary, but it's such a bad look. It's, it's horrid, Jared. And, and Tec Evans, it doesn't happen too often. So I think you're horrible. You have to sanction. Yes. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And you want to be heavy with the sanction. Now, how practical it is doesn't, that doesn't interest me in the slightest. It's the, no, no, if you do this, you're going to get banned for five years.

1:29:22Now, if you're able to sneak into games, that's not the point. The point is that you are going to be singled out and banned. So that the next time around, we don't get to the, you just can't be throwing stuff on the field. No. You can't be throwing stuff at the Umpires. I think it's lifetime ban. I mean, I know this is that sound. Oh, how are you going to do that? Well, it does. It has to be in this, this world where there's algorithms and all of that. If your name pops up, trying to buy a ticket to anything, you're not getting in. You're not getting into MCG. You're not getting to marvel. You're not getting to a core if you get on other city. You're not getting to opt to sin Perth. You are on. You've got a red flag next to your name, like your passport, try to get out of a country if you had criminal offense. Is that where we go? Is that possible? I don't, I don't think it's such an extreme, but I don't have the technology to do it, but I think someone would. They should be on a band list everywhere. Who would complain about that? No, I would be wrong with that. That's right. Everywhere. You couldn't mount the counter-argument to it.

1:30:23And if it kept you out of something fine. It's just not a moment you can absorb and be confident that it's a one-off. You have to make the serious step and hand out sanction wherever is possible. I just want to share something with you. Is Andrew Dylan Chief Executive of the AFL was in the studio? I think we're ready to claim the number one mantle back. I think that's right. I mean, it's just truly national. We had the last five teams in the competition were representing the five states that currently have clubs. So it's a good advertisement for the game. But again, it's the fans coming through the gates and watching these incredible players play. 97,000 had 45,000 sell out at the S&K games that were out of your games again on the weekends. By every metric that matters now, she's sorted. Your pretense of being the number one sporting coach in the country is over.

1:31:23Well, I can take my head on this week as well. I don't think Nelson herself a Solomon or Paul Galen are fighting any weird burs. I don't know. I don't know. You can have that every day. I'm not going to be a big sport. November 6th, get on board folks, get on the bandwagon. You're going to be huge. Paul Galen coming out of retirement to fight big Nelson as a solomona. Where do I go with it? Gerard R. Well, Sydney swans bit the dust. You got a grand final between Brisbane and Freeman at the MCG. You've got Kylie Minogue locked in. What's your favorite Kylie song? I've got a favorite Kylie song. I know. What's the first song? No. I could even go like a motion. Yeah, like a motion. That's it. Like a motion. There we go. All the way back to when she was the girl next door. So we have no one. Gerard, the NRL is two weeks from the grand final inside two weeks. We don't even have Shepard. We joke about Shepard. We don't even have a Geronimo. What's got to happen? Do you play it? It is marked on the calendar. You do know the grand final is going to be on Sunday week.

1:32:24I don't know what's happened there. I don't know. They're making it very hard for me this segment. I've got nothing to throw back at you. Nothing. I come loaded with nothing. I have nothing for you, Gerard. What risk? So the Empressario now, Peter Velandis, got the vote necessary to be the executive chair. That's it. What risk with ultimate power? Yeah. This is a very interesting point. I say this, it is not the governance that can be written into a constitution forever and a day. But right at the moment it does work with the figure. I'm thinking of all the leaders we've had when I want them different chairman to have the same powers. No. I don't want a constitutional change that locks this in forever and a day. But right at the moment he has that many credit points. He has that many runs on the board. Then I'm going with it.

1:33:24And obviously has the majority support of the club. I reckon you're going to watch from afar and see. And if he makes, I don't know what you define as a mistake. But if something goes wrong, I think the criticism will be, oh, you shouldn't have done this anyway. Like that'll be, but I don't think he will. I think, and may I say, I mean, Hatchie asked me the same question. I think, I'll, um, Patriarch here at SEM. Hatchie is a bit of, there's a bit of Velandis. It's a bit of Hatchie and Velandis. Crash your crash through in this day and age, Jared. Get my admiration. Get my vote. In fact, I'm saying I want our politicians to be a bit like that. You know, like, uh, no, I'm, I'm on board with Peter Velandis. But I'm not saying I want this always to be the case. I think he is the right man, but there's been very few as qualified as Peter Velandis along the way. Are there key voices in rugby league? Happy to criticize Peter Velandis?

1:34:26Yes and no. I'm going to say yes. Um, we, we have never had anyone tell us that we can't do this on the show. I have, and I work as you know, I work for Fox League, and I work for here. We are told at times, let's pump this up. Well, quite obviously, because we, we want more people to watch. We want more people to go. We want more people interested. But I've never been told, don't say something. You know what I mean? Like we are open. I'm sure Peter Velandis watches NRL 360 and hates it. You know, you're, you're looking at the negative rather than the positive. So now I'm happy to roll with it. I'm happy to live in this era, Jared and see where we go. The greatest sport in Australia. And the little engine that could worldwide rugby league. Me and. Lucky him down. You know, winner over viewers one, one at a time. They're in Vegas. They get one every year. The Emperor. Peter Velandis. Yeah. Tokyo two years time, Jared. We're in Tokyo. Lock it in. Yeah. I think that Kong will be there as well. That part of it's very cool.

1:35:26You, I won't fight with you on that. That, that part of it's very cool. I do think there's a huge risk to, to unchallenged power in any walk of life. And I wonder what it will look like with, with rugby league. Or I'm not meant for Velandis. What's your dream pairing? What's your dream, grandfinal pairing from here? Well, I'm saying have the first time of there. I'm having the dolphins there. And the other side you get the mighty champion, Penra. This is just such an amazing era. But I also like the idea of last the first Newcastle, Wooden Spooners. Could not be time with a stick last year. And now are in the final four. They are working class town. They've had injuries. And here they are a week away from the grandfinal. But I'll slot in dolphins, V Penra, Newbies, V, the greatest team of this time. And look me in for Brisbane. I'll say sorry, free medal. We have immortality either way. The three-peat lines would be just the second team in history to do it twice.

1:36:29As a club. And it's different to the last time because these are a long way apart. These are different generations. And free medal for the first time, which will be so thrilling after their 32 years in the competition. So yeah, it's stacked either way. But the real winner will be Kylie. I think this will be an absolute showstopper. Yes. Well, she does like emotion now. When she does like emotions. That's around on a night. No, that's it. No, very jealous, mate. Good luck with the singing budgie. And Gerard, I can't wait till we talk next week. Good idea, bossy. Cheers, mate. Across the divide with Andrew Vost, don't miss the million-dollar cricket warehouse sale in Marabbon and online at thecricutsale.com.au. Right, we'll get plenty of your thoughts to air next. And before this hour is done, the AFLW wrap. But let's have your say for City Power, Melbourne's weather, sunny, a top of 17 before bad weather hits people prepared and sign up for SMS outage alerts all at citypower.com.au.

1:37:32This is Wétley for Hyundai. It's game on at Hyundai. We can score great offers on a range of new and demonstrated models. Wétley on SEM. It's final time. What is it down to remember? I perform in players in finals. She's Castro, Ed Joyles, the performance experts trust. He's outside the field of play as it stands. Right on the juncture of 50. Leans back on it. It's close. Oh, it's outstanding. He'd been young after the three corner time siren has given free metal a real chance. She's Castro, Ed Joyles, the performance experts trust. That was high performance. All right, the Rams are going well back home. LA 14, New York Giants, NIL. That is three minutes to go in the second half.

1:38:35Keltzumi has just popped up. St Kilda is open to offers for second year defender Alex Teru. Multiple clubs were told at today's informal round of trade catch-ups that the Saints would listen to offers for the contracted 19-year-old. I wonder if the manager has completely misplaced his hand here. But St Kilda now happy to do your Alex Teru. That's what's happening at the pool in this morning. The NAB Openline 13736736 NAB, your partner for first homes and second stories, Paul's in Koberk. Howdy, Paul. Hey, Jared, how are you? I'm well. I'm just on the way. I'm mad, no, I'm not a supporter. I'm just thinking of their options. I just want to get your opinion on the options for the KT position. And also your opinion on their recruiting of like... Well, my views around the coaching, I've been happy to say I would have wanted the widest possible field. And I would have wanted a process that at least included John and my Adam Simpson in it.

1:39:38And I've seen determined to head down the path towards the new coach. And on everything I know from the processes that have been taking place, Jamie Graham's at the forefront of that queue. And he may very well be associated with a premiership team by the end of Saturday. But they haven't got to the interview stage yet. And yeah, it's such a big appointment. I might run this past FieldAvis tomorrow, eminently sensible. I don't have huge views on the way that they've built their lists. And be interested to see whether they're ready to propel next year as they should be. And as clearly they expect to. But I'm at that. Yeah, it's such a big appointment to be making Paul. Thank you for your call. I won't play spoiler on midday matters because I've got a heap of text I want to get through. So let's... That's for Maca's new cheesy range. It's checking with Nathan. Right, here's the collection of your thoughts. Thanks, Nathan. Adam gave me the short back and sides a bit earlier on. He was a teacher.

1:40:40Like your previous text, I'm a teacher. Unlike him, I always allow my students the benefit of the doubt of which the footage leaves plenty. Locking the ill must be allowed to play. I have no bias as a completely usual West Coast fan. 100% agree with the text about your disingenuous take on the locky gut punch. Just shows the level of BS and inconsistency in people's views. Cleans fist or open hand makes zero difference to the ruling. It'll make a big difference to the ruling. A big difference. Tony M. For the people who think the Neil footage is definitive, I've got a photo of the Loch Ness monster to sell them. I suspect the lines will send the castle lawyer Dennis De Nudo in to wrap this case up in five minutes. You are wrong on this one, Jared. The vision is more than good enough to see that Neil struck Ginovon enough to warrant a suspension. Brisbane and Neil should just use the AFL footage of the Dempsey non-goal that they had perfect vision of and said was inconclusive as their defence. The only problem with Neil getting off is the AFL came out and said the final call on Impey was correct.

1:41:43The brave umpire made the judgement call which made Hawthorne miss a grand final. How can they say a rule that is a clear suspension should not be applied because you will miss a grand final. Slap in the face to Hawthorne after they're already miserable week. I don't mind. I don't like the Hawkes but I reckon a hundred thousand will. I don't think this has anything to do with Hawthorne. It is worth keeping in mind the AFL has upheld its rules by charging Locking Neil. They have suspended him for a week. That's the AFL's obligation. It just now has to stand up in front of the independent tribunals. So the AFL absolutely fulfilled its brief. If you think this is the right court of a course of action, whether Neil is able to beat the charge or not, the AFL did its bit. Jared, you can't have it both ways. If Neil's aggression has to be proven beyond doubt with the exact vision of an incident of retaliation on Ginovon, then you can't say the crowd can't express their annoyance and use aggression doing so.

1:42:43Sooner rather than later the entertainers' players have to set the tone of our game. It's not the 80s anymore. I disagree with every single word that you've tapped out there. I don't think Locking Neil's actions justify the crowd pelting the fields with bottles and cans or throwing them at the umpire. I think we have to be mature enough to separate the two. I couldn't disagree with that more strongly. Coach of the year is definitely Chris Fagan, but I hope Josh Fraser gets a vote or two just to acknowledge the amazing turnaround he achieved. Gavin from Aubrey, Nick Daycos. We're all incredibly lucky to be watching Nick Daycos play AFL in this era. It reminds me of how lucky we were to witness Federer and Nadal in the same tennis era. These are once in a generation athletes and the memories of watching them will last forever. I'm a Colton fan, that's from Tony. It's his vision. I see him as a chest-grandmaster who knows how the game will unfold four steps ahead of everyone else.

1:43:46After three years of disappointment and being robbed so on more than one occasion, Nick finally has the medal he deserves. I was nervous all night, but when I looked back to the final five rounds, I knew he had it done. His speech was phenomenal. He's an amazing human being. He is to the first of hopefully a few more for ND35. That's from Tully. Nick is moving into Bradman-like areas. 1.42 votes per game, 150% better than the next best. Currently, Kripper and Bonted 0.93 votes per game and the best ever, Hayden Bunton. At 1.04, that's from Dan. Peter Blucher set us up beautifully for that brown-low medal with the history that he shared with us last week. And so much of it came to fruition. I went through primary school and played football with Peter Dacos. If only people knew how good he was back then as a kid, they would understand why his two boys are fantastic players and role models. Johnny from Rosanna. Greg Williams, career votes 154. Nick Dacos, career votes 156. Nick is 23.

1:44:46He's 23. Will the Bonted ever win a brown-low? Now that he has Zach Buttons to share the votes with, also does Buttons' brown-low result make him worth even more in the eyes of Port Adelaide. That's from Simon. I feel like we know what a player he is and last night's voting sort of emphasized that at the particularly poignant moment. She's all two. No ego whatsoever. Pinched quite a few votes off L.D.U. But overall, 46 votes between these two jets sets up North's elite midfield moving forward. Daniel, complained about the new voting system or you want it was great to see there was no questionable votes being given to players that did not impact on a certain game like previous years. I'd rather a player who averages a goal and 34 disposal is every week than votes be given to a player who barely scratches half of those disposal and impacts. This is down from more luck on the multies. Rankin bugged me too, Jared. I had clarity to finish top 10. He got pipped by Rankin in the second last game to finish 11.

1:45:49Filthy. I reckon Collinwood said, Nick, when you're brown-low this year because you're the best in the game and you deserve it. Do whatever you have to do. Next year and beyond, we don't want to see you in the back half. Ever. We're fitting the device to stop you. You're playing 50-50 set it forward and kicking 40 goals minimum like danger and dusty and winning us games. Theals are deal. That's from David. That's nice. Was Chad Warner's goal versus Brisbane at the GABA? Clearly goal of the year. Smothered three bounces. Slot from 50. It was. It was clearly the goal of the year but we were in no mood to celebrate Chad Warner. So like a couple of other things as he would have been disqualified from the running privately and away from sight. Morning, Jared Liam Ryan was by far the best mark. The criteria is laughable when it goes to a favourite player rather than clearly the best mark. Liz from Warm Turner. How impressive was Bailey Banfield last night. A remarkable young man doing remarkable work for the community. We set the same thing at our table. He was ultra impressive.

1:46:51And Jared how good were the coaches last night on 360? When they are not hamstrung by the immediacy of the game or the needs of their own clubs. It's just compelling listening. Scotty particularly last night. The big picture of where the game is and where the game's going. We got a little glimpse in behind the scenes of the conversations that are taking place. Every club and we'll do across the summer. And it's not isolated to the preliminary final but that really did bring it front of mind. Mac is serving up barista made coffee all weekend at footy fest with 100% of proceeds going to support the amazing work of Ronald McDonald House. Make sure you check out the McAfee van if you're coming down and you can support families with sick kids. So we're at the footy fest from tomorrow. We'll be in the S.E.N. van Wednesday and Thursday crunch time will be there and Saturday a whole suite of our programs are there. So if you're heading to the footy fest come early and say hello. Get your barista made mac as coffee while we're all there and that'll make us really feel like it's grand final week.

1:47:52Bruce McAfee is going to join us tomorrow. Channel seven have the the Dennis committee documentary centimeter perfect which goes to air tomorrow night. Bruce has played a big role in this. He shared this a little bit with a since Dennis is passing and we'll do so. And it will do so again tomorrow and he can set us up for the grand final as well a little bit beyond and Phil Davis who's been in Europe. For most of the month we promised we touched based during grand final week. So the eminently sensible Phil Davis will be loaded tomorrow and looking forward to being at the footy fest at the MCG. We're going to round off today with our AFL W rap North got beaten. It's a big moment in recent seasons. This is Waitley for pay.com.au, business owners pay.com.au and start earning rewards today.

1:49:01One second you can hear them call out from the boundary and it's going to spark more celebrations up north. North giant killers. They are massive giant killers. The streak is over after nearly three years. North Melbourne has lost a game and it was Daniel Webster's Hawks that did it. Size McAverance in AFL W week six of this season. Rana Hussein rejoins us. Rana. Hello. Hello. I like goodness. How the game has changed. Why? How? What happened? I mean look, it is over the 32 consecutive wins from North Melbourne has now ended and we see Hawks on the date them over the weekend. And the author has completely changed.

1:50:02I mean look, relentless pressure from Hawks. And they came from 10 points down at half time. Flaming limited garner's influence after she had 21 first half disposal. And with those spare weeks looking for the blueprint and Hawthorne finally executed it for four quarters. They really just didn't stay off them. It was a huge winner, historical win and I think the rest of the competition are now breathing aside relief. But it is possible we've been asking that question. I think though we have to pump the brakes just slightly because context does matter here north. We're coming off a five day break first can strip for them. They were without birch and chile. Connie was being managed. We're not over reacting here. And all haven't suddenly become ordinary. So there was, you know, they had a bit of help from the fixture. But boy was it needed. And I think, you know, now really the psychology matters.

1:51:02You know, other contenders now have actual footage of someone a team doing this because up until now we just weren't sure that it was. And so our unbeaten team is Melbourne. Melbourne, yes. And I think look, we've been telling an interesting story the last few rounds when it comes to North Melbourne. So it is, you know, as much as they have been, you know, unbeatable. You know, round two Brisbane showed us a possible blueprint. They really took it to them in the first half round. Three dogs traveled them for a period in round five. Carlton really pushed them and showed that it was possible. And then, hold on really tips them over the edge. But yes, now we see that it is Melbourne that goes six zero in this season. And the only ones that underfeated, I think they're now in the best position to really push and see what. Where the North Melbourne can really be challenged. I know they've been beaten, but I don't know, you know, with their full side and full fitness have they actually been challenged yet. And I think this weekend will tell us that.

1:52:03Who are the teams who have most forced you to reassess them through the six weeks of the 12th? Well, that's to say, Hawthorne are one of those teams. I mean, they beat North obviously with that bait. We see Wales has been outstanding, swimming like I said, with an enormous against a Norman against North. I can't even say it, Jared, I'm sorry. I guess, you know, now they've kind of validated that they can actually play some really good footage. Jalong have really impressed me. They like a lot of goals, but boy, can they score? They're averaging 70.2 points this season. They're capable of the stating scoring. But so I think there's the other team to really watch here. I think, you know, I said I needed another couple of weeks to see what Jalong could do. Whether I can trust them, I trust them now. So I think as much as they, you know, have had big losses largely against North Melbourne, they're really baiting teams by huge margins. Yeah, the team to really remember in the mix of all of this is the young talent

1:53:07and the established quality at the goal course. Roboton had 36 touches and tackles and a goal against Estonon. And they're just looking like the fresh young side that they are and what the future of their FW can look like. There isn't just the, you know, aside from the dominance of North Melbourne and now Melbourne, I think there's just some really interesting stuff going on down the ladder as well. How excited are we for Thursday night Jalong and Hawthorne? Oh my god, out of my skin about this, this is the game of the season. I mean, this is going to tell us everything we need to know about both sides. Melbourne has the most formidable midfield as do North Melbourne. I mean, when we talk about Melbourne in particular, you know, they've got that whole team running that we've seen North Melbourne do and that is what it takes to win in this competition speed from behind the ball. That Hank's hawker cell combination is particularly beautiful and I just cannot wait to see these two midfields go at it

1:54:10because the talent is just topped here. And I think it's going to really actually show us like us. We're both of these teams see how good are North Melbourne really when they come up against a Melbourne side that is firing on all fieldlanders and with a new coach, which is kind of remarkable. Great games in store Thursday night Friday night. I have runners out of time here, Rhanna. Can you give me a seedings for up to one? And we'll be more expansive next week. No problem. Look, I think Carlton's set it for. I've got Hawthorne sitting at three and I've got Melbourne sitting at two with a closely behind North Melbourne. I'm assuming it's going to change too much. Carlton might jump back up again, but that's what we're at at the moment. Awesome, Rhanna. Thank you as ever. We'll keep tabs throughout the AFLW season. Thanks, erud. Rhanna who's saying there, this is WT for Radius Telematics. Let's manage your fleet with Radius GPS Trackers visit radius.com. WT on SEM. I'm a cafe menu today included. Andrew Dillon here in the studio.

1:55:10It's all there on the podcast. Luke Hodges as well. A little trimor cafe's new drinks range right at the footy fest tomorrow at the MCG swing by. But now it's time for midday madness. Howdy, Dwayne. Gerald, great to be able to take calls from another couple of hours. Interesting. Yesterday, even though the lines are full, had some really interesting callers to the point that we only took 39 calls yesterday because I wanted to give you know a lot of people a chance to make their point because they're making some really good points out of the weekend. So our lines are ready to go. So 13736736. We will get to a lot of the stuff that needs to be talked about that was spoken about. On your program, including you know Andrew Dillon virtually confirming that the umpire who made the German impure decision is going to be umpiring. Grand Final Day, which is great news. Confirmation that you got that decision right and deserves to get the big moment given how good he was in the big moment last weekend. Vic Police still investigating those three bottles. So that's good to hear that we're continuing on with that investigation. Um, you know, stuff like with a Sicily and Barat needed a one week suspension, etc.

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