Why can’t brothers in bands ever get along?

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2:01That's why your financial advisor personalizes your plan to help you preserve your progress and create something that lasts. Let's find your rich. Edward Jones, member SIPC. You're listening to a podcast from the word. It's gold. Hello. Hello, Dave. How are you? It's just two of us. Mark Ellens away in his Scottish estate. He has to go to the... He has to go to the... He has to go there and visit the tenants one to year. He goes around delivering firewood to the crops. He's going to check the drainage in the lower field. That's right. So it's the and me. We're going to start with the with the Stantwadi game as is traditional. And I'll go first. Alex. Alex, these... What I'm about to give you, the names of five landish reality TV formats from Europe.

3:07Okay. And over the five, for a real, the one never happened. Okay. One's made up. Okay. Up to you to see if you can identify them. So I'm just going to... I will whizz through them first. You might like to take notes. Okay. And then we'll come back and you can see if you can decide. Okay. First one is a Dutch program which translates as Shoot and Swallow. Wow. Which is all about drugs and sexual intercourse. That was a thought to be one of the things that might fascinate the great... The great Dutch TV viewing public. The next one was covered from Norway's State Broadcaster which is called Peep Show, PIIP Show. Okay. And it followed the lives of many kinds of birds. The visitor to bird freed her outside of Oslo. Okay. Of course.

4:07And then the third one was a Spanish format called Translates as Who Wants to Marry My Son. And this is a popular dating show in Spain in which five male contestants must use from a group of candidates who are trying to win them over. And the catch is the men's mums get to say in who might become their next daughter in them. Oh, okay. Okay. And then the fourth one now is from Germany, sperm race. Sperm race. Okay. And it was shot in a sperm banking cloned. The pilots had 12 contestants competing against each other to see who sperm was the spermiest. Okay. And then finally bridal plastic. Bridal plastic. And 12 contestants competed for a chance to win their dream wedding along with the plastic surgery procedures on their wish list. Now one of those five. So four out of that five were actually produced.

5:07Okay. And then one wasn't would you care to guess which was the one that wasn't going well. My instincts are telling me that sperm race is so outlandish it has to be real and it does sound very German. Carry on. Who wants to marry my son? Yes, I can imagine that. I can imagine. Okay. So, uh, peep. Show. Go. That's exactly how you say it, isn't it? Yes, I think that's probably real. So it's good to see you. Okay. So the ringer I think is between shooting swallow and bridal plastic. So I'm and I would say. Oh, and it's it's probably. It's it's shooting swallow. That's the ringer. I can't wait. You wrong actually because they're all real about from sperm race. Which was proposed but never actually produced.

6:07It goes far as the commissioning process. They worked. They the workshop did did a trial for whatever and then put now. Can't do that. So all the rest. Okay. So, you know, I'm just I want to say shooting swallow peep show. You want to marry my son and bridal plastic. We're all really done produced on television and aren't you sorry you Mr. Malik. Absolutely. You modified. Yes. That's fantastic. I've got one for you actually Dave. Go on. Go on. So it's, uh, this is, uh, it's cheese. All right. Or motorway service station. Oh, okay. I can feel I can feel this. Yeah, I'm trying to think about the service areas that sound like Jesus. Maybe two words, aren't they? Well, we shall see. Are they all right? Go on. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, uh, I'm going to give you doodles well.

7:09Doodles well. Doodles well. Go on. Well, carry on. I'll come back. Go on. Doodles well. Kidding ash. Oh, very good. Kidding ash. Very good. Very good. Carry on. Next up. Uh, Chen. Chen. Chevington. Chevington. Chevington. Chevington. Chevington. Oh, Chevington. Chevington. One V, mind you. Okay. Go on. Milestone. Wow. These are really good, Alex. Go on. Pont Abraham. Pont Abraham. Wow. How many of these have you got? I've got three more. I've got, go on. Go on. Go on. Go on. Go on. Go on. Go on. Derby. Just Derby. Just just playing our Derby. That's right. Humble, humble yet powerful. And finally, Gloucester. Oh, wow.

8:10Okay. Well, they have, they, my first note on this, Alex. So Duttle's well. Kiddington ash. Chevington. Milestone. Pont Abraham, Gordano, Darby and Gloucester, is I didn't think, can I'm a fairly well-traveled person? I don't think I've visited a single one of them. It doesn't mean, there's loads of seversaries I'm quite familiar with. None of those am I familiar with. That's very good work. That's very good work. It's amazing how strange English place names can be. I'm going to say doodles well as a cheese. That's correct. Is it a cheese? Doodles well as a cheese that comes from a sheep. A sheep's cheese, if you will. Right, okay. And it is Pont Abraham also a cheese. Pont Abraham is in fact a service station on the M4. Right, okay. And I'm going to say Chevington as a cheese. Chevington is indeed a cow's milk

9:16cheese, semi soft and mold-riband. What about Kiddit and Ash? Is that a real service area or not? Kiddit and Ash, Silky smooth goat's cheese. Oh, yeah. Well, you win there. You win there. I don't know. It's funny to talk about English place names. I was used to have a fantasy of inventing a bunch of detective stories. Okay. Because all writers think they can write detective stories and they're wrong in this, but you know, they all think they can do it. And I always thought if I was going to have a fictional detective, it would be a detective named after a place in your or your which is called Farneley Tias. Farneley Tias. Two words. Okay. Farneley. T-Y-A-S. Isn't that a fantastic name? That's a great name for a gum shoe, isn't that? There's a place near, I think it's in Surrey called Taranton St Clements.

10:19Oh, very good. Absolutely. It's an absolute spec. I like only like, you know, the divises or devices in some of the devices. Devises, devices. It's when you get west, actually, you get the strangest names. Nick Lowe wrote a really good song. Well, he writes nothing but really good songs about a small place that you pass through on the road into into Devon, I think, or in Devon somewhere down that way because I've gone through it a few times. And it's called Indian Queens. Indian Queens. Indian Queens. And obviously, he almost had driven through there and thought, God, that's a song. Just begging to be written, isn't it? It's all that girl I met back in Indian Queens. It's absolutely fantastic. Because British place names, they tend not to have the same kind of charisma that American place names have 24 hours from Tulsa and you know. Yeah, they've either got like a Latin inflection or there's something, Bill, which sounds really exciting. But British place names

11:21tend to be a lot more understated. Apart from occasionally you get the, the on the on gem like Virginia water, which I'm, yes, I said it by, you know, it sounds like a really exciting place. But I kind of don't want to go just in case it isn't. I mean, it's quite prosperous Virginia water. Okay. It's kind of a stop broken belt. Virginia water. You know, anyway, in Morickshire, you've got two places. You've got, you've got North Piddle and wire Piddle. All right. Have you read about a slight, a slight about Piddington coming into the news this week. Piddington says, no. Piddington is a small place. I think in Northshire, which has, because it objected to having a silent seeker or whatever housed in some form of military base that happens to be on the outskirts of Piddington. They are taking a leaf out of the old, um, ealing comedy, passport to Bimlico. And Piddington. Piddington. No, and, and declaring, you know, you know,

12:27unilaterally, independence from the UK. They, they wanted to just go off on their own, which was an idea, pioneered in, in that Stanley Holloway film from the end of the war called Piddington. I don't know if he'll get that far. I was thinking about gigs. Um, Mark and I were talking last week before you went away. I couldn't believe that, A, I couldn't believe that Bon Jovi. Right. Give me, let me give you a number of things. I couldn't believe a bar Bon Jovi. One, that they were still going. Yeah. Two, that they were playing Wembley. Three, that they were playing Wembley Arena. And four, that they were playing three Wembley arenas. And I know this is something we frequently remarkable in this podcast. But you know, I had to go back and check when Bon Jovi last had a hit in the United Kingdom. Yeah. I think it took me back to the previous century. I'm pretty

13:29accomplished. I'd probably say something like it's my life in 99 or something, probably. Um, it sounds exactly the same as a previous 20, mind you. But I think that's the explanation for some for a band. How many people as Wembley's daily are 70,000 or something like that for doing three of those. It doesn't surprise, you know what? It doesn't surprise me because I think you're here living on a prayer player played at every nightclub in the UK still. And I think there's a certain kind of strata of absolutely massive 80s pop slash rock acts, which have retained their fan base. The fan base has been passed down to the fan base's kids who like that. So it gets bigger. And so it kind of, it's the racist ripple effect. The generation ripple. You know, it's the old idea, which you know, I grew up with in the old days, was that you were, you were young and hot. And then you weren't hot anymore. You know, you slowly cooled off.

14:32Doesn't work anymore. Does it? Does all? No, you know, you get hotter, don't you? You get bigger. Because it's demographics working your favor presumably as much as anything else. You know, more people are getting interested in Bon Jovi all the time. Doesn't seem to make sense. Well, the thing is, you know, I mean, certainly when I was growing up, um, there was your music and there was your parents music and never the twain sure me, you know, good for good for mid. You like something you're more dad were into. However, you know, I think kids are growing up now and they really love what their parents are into. Um, you know, they're, you know, their parents being into something is kind of an endorsement. I think a lot of kids are discovering music via their parents now and also via internet memes and things like that and, you know, um, you think, think situations like stranger things. I was even, uh, in somebody less age than all tenders. I was talking to my next door neighbor, the yesterday or whatever, he said, oh, last time, I was in the J Hawks. I said, I kind of was vaguely aware the J Hawks were on tour. Now the J Hawks were

15:38never huge, but you know, always had a bit of a following and they made a very good album called Tomorrow the Green Grass, which I thought was in the 90s. I'm, I'm researches particularly. And they had two main thing, uh, song rises, Gary Gary Lewis and, uh, what's your name? Gary Van der Leyen, like, um, Mark Olsen and, um, and then they broke up and then they got back together again and then they fell out again this time really badly. So now the group is just going to front of my gallery, Gary Lewis and they played in London. I said, where did they play? He said, oh, the forum, can't do you know, the forum's decent size venue, isn't it? I saw Ronnie Wood at the forum a couple of weeks ago. Right. Okay. So how many people are in the forum? A thousand, certainly. Yeah. Okay. And I said, was it false? It, yes, it was. And I thought to myself, 30 years ago, when the J Hawks were in their prime period and their pomp, so to speak,

16:43I don't think they played a venue as big as that in London. I mean, I mean, Stan corrected, but I don't think they did. I just think everybody's reputation gets, gets greater and greater with time, you know, it's the shed seven factor, isn't it? It's a shed seven factor. That's what we could call it. If you hang about long enough, people, you know, eventually just give in and say, oh, all right. Okay. I'll buy a ticket or whatever. It's a shed seven factor. So one person who's been in the news this week in absolutely every form of news that I've come across. For reasons that I'm sure don't make you many happy, or is it Ed Sheeran? Now, Alex, you've been across this. Explain the basic, the basic deal here. Very, very, very may have missed it. Okay. So Ed Sheeran, who you may or may not have heard of, he's currently on a stadium tour of

17:46the US. And he had an I, it's called stadiums. This is these big places. Oh, it's the highest level of this. This is open air. Let's be clear about this. This is open air, isn't it? You know, this is not a reason. It's probably 80,000 people or something like that. At least, at least I think I think American stadiums tend to be bigger than UK ones anyway, don't they? So yeah, we're talking probably 80,000. Yeah. Million of each one. Anyway, so he's on a stadium tour of the US. And he has as a support act and art is called Mac or more. You might remember who had a hit called thrift shop, I think back in 2012 or something like that. Anyway, Mac or more is supporting now. Mac or more. Sorry, I'm going to keep you interrupting points of order here. So hit 14 years ago. Yes. 14 years ago. This just shows you the different timeline in popular music. Anyway, carry on. Go on. Okay. So Mac or more goes on stage and delivers an

18:48impassioned anti-war speech, essentially, the owner of the stadium. A guy called Robert Kraft, who is one of America's pre-eminent billionaires, takes on bridge with this and tells Ed Sheeran or Ed Sheeran's people that because of this speech, he no longer wants Mac or more to play at his venues. Robert Kraft owns several other stadiums on the tour as well. So Ed Sheeran's put into a position, not of his own doing it has to be said, where he has to now choose to keep Mac or more on the tour and risk losing the tour or take Mac or more off the tour. And I suppose safe everybody else's jobs. And that's what he did. After apparently a week of negotiating with all parties, which I've got no doubt he did, Mac or more was was removed from the tour. And there's been a huge

19:50divisive outcry in social media. And most of the people- There was never anything but there's never an outbreak of agreement to social media. Is there people? If there isn't. Nobody on social media. Nobody takes to social media to go, do you know that's really interesting point? Let me just think about that for a moment. They don't do that to carry on because the other acts, the other acts pulled out as well, don't they? A support acts of now pulled out his own band have now pulled out as well. Oh my god. So it's just Ed. But most of the the the the I and the vitriol on social media seems to be directed at Ed Sheeran directly. He apparently now has the Antichrist. I never thought I'd live to see the day-day of where the most controversial artist on planet earth was Ed Sheeran. I know. Chewley in the end of times. But that's broad strokes. What's happened? That makes sense. Yeah. I think it's a complicated effect. I think there's actually more than one stadium owner. Yes. And these places tend to be owned by very, very wealthy people.

20:52And I did read Robert Kraft's message about this. Do you read this? Because it's I think quite considered. I do. And he said you're really happy to meet Maccamore and talk about whatever. But you know, he's either multimillionaire in the stadium. So if he decides he doesn't want something to take place, there's no an awful lot that Ed Sheeran could do about it. So Ed Sheeran is caught in the middle of this kind of contemporary madhouse where on one side you've got billionaires with kind of unlimited power to pull plugs on all kinds of things. On the other side you've got a kind of fraternity who kind of like the idea of indignation and kind of taking a stance or think because I have to say the thing that I found most kind of disturbing about this was the kind of speed with which all the other acts on the bill. Yeah. So Ed Sheeran, you know,

21:59absent of themselves. Now that could be because they all sat down there and had a rational discussion about, you know, what's the appropriate thing to do? Or it could be that they just didn't want to be caught on the wrong side because that seems to be increasingly the case nowadays, you know, that I think as you pointed out to me and you know, we were talking about this earlier this week, it's a binary world we live in thanks to social media, you know. You're either one thing, you're either with the death or you're with the angels, you know, and it's really as simple as that but Ed Sheeran is caught in the middle and of course he's kind of the target, isn't he? Because they just look around, people look around for a convenient target, don't they? To feel superior to in some way and he happens to be the poor, like, you know, he's got that problem at the moment, you know. And it's even in the financial timetimes to tell a company that this story is,

23:02you know, it's gaining traction all the time because it's one of those tales, it's like, you know, it's like Harry and Meghan coming back to the UK, which every news organ can absolutely pile in and make hay on because you can't be wrong, you know, it's just really, and you store things up, you know, you know, you'll stir up your listeners, your users, you know, however they came to you. And it's funny, it's funny, we should be talking about this because I've just been watching, we don't recommend many films on this podcast, but there's, I'll just be watching the thing called Wizard of the Cremlin, have you seen this? I haven't. No. Which is on, it's on Amazon Prime and which I'd never thought I'd live to see the day. Jude Law plays Vladimir Putin. And actually, it actually does a really

24:03good job of it. And it's just, it's a story of Putin, you know, and Russia over the last 25 years. And one of the most striking lines in the that I even wrote it down when I was watching it, he says, he comes to the, it comes to the conclusion that controlling the world is all about managing fury. He says, people just want to feel furious. And it's all about managing that fury, you know, to your attention. If you're, if you're a politician, if you're a social media, you know, a society, if you're a newspaper, whatever, you manage the fury because people are so predisposed to feel furious about things, even things that are very, very long way away from them, not saying you can't have compassion and concern about those things. But, um, well, that's interesting because what struck me about this whole for Rure was, was the speed with which it took over social media.

25:05And it almost, you know, regardless of what people were saying, I mean, that's one thing. But, you know, on some levels, it kind of felt like that anger was ready to go anyway. And it just had to have something. It's always, it's always ready to go. It's always ready to go. I told one of the other thing I was thinking, he went through my mind this week. I'm not saying this will fade in the same way, although I, all these things fade after a couple of weeks and they're replaced by something else, aren't they? But, you know, it's five years ago. I know you don't follow the football Alex, but even you may have noticed five years ago that barely a match took place on television in the Premier League that wasn't preceded by all 22 players and the officials taking the knee, you know, in sympathy with George Floyd. While the ITV commentator makes to meet some kind of a drone on about, you know, what a fitting thing this was. Now, five years later,

26:08this has disappeared. It went away. Nobody said why it went away. Do we assume that the, that the, the thing that was supposed to be protesting is no longer a problem? No, because the truth is we got bored with it. And that's why I was with all forms of this kind of a nation. There replaced something else because the indignation is the constant factor all the way through. So there you go. At Edward Jones, we believe Rich isn't about having life all figured out. It's opening yourself to all the possibilities. That's why your dedicated financial advisor provides long-term planning built around you, meeting you where you are, and helping you get closer to where you want to be. So no matter where you're starting from, you can move forward with confidence. The key to being Rich is knowing what counts. Let's find your Rich. Edward Jones, member SIPC.

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29:12Dunbar, John Aeslwood, Friend of the Pod. Talking to Ali Campbell of UB14 about the end. Dear history of UB14 and he's falling out with his brother, Robin. So, I thought there was extraordinary thing. I was thinking about this because years ago, I can't remember what he must have been in the early 90s. I was on to the table with Ali and Robin. Some kind of music bears a wards to do when they were there to give an award or something. You spend the evening with them and they were just best of mates and so forth. And now no longer the case. And he goes through the, with John, the kind of history of how they the schism arrived. And the thing that comes out is that Ali made a first cello album called

30:16Big Love, I think, for which he got, and here's a nostalgia note, he got a $1 million, $1 million, $1 million pound advance. Which is a rest of UB14. Understandably a little bit, a little bit, envy yourself. And then in 2007 he did another solo album, which also got a huge advance. And he wanted to take a month off from the band. And the band to promote it. And the band didn't agree with that, understandably. And therefore he actually is the only case I've ever heard of, the member of the band actually writing their resignation. He wrote his resignation to the band and handed it in. And he hasn't realized. That's the best. He hasn't spoken to his brother since. And there's nothing in the interview to indicate that he has any charitable feelings towards his brother. And they just, it just

31:22struck me, there's something about brotherly fallouts in bands. They surely makes them worse than any other kind of, kind of fallouts. People say things to their own family, they wouldn't say to anybody else, don't they? I think that's the question. No, is that true? I mean, you're not disrespectful to your sister or your mum of dad? No, of course not. But I think that especially with brothers, you know, you know, you've got this blood tie. So there's something that kind of makes you feel you can go a little bit further. And as for the brothers to be fair, I don't know. I've not got a brother. You've not got a brother either. So we don't know. I always get a feeling if you have a brother, you would probably call each other your wanker or whatever. You know, in a kind of affectionate way that could easily spill over into something worse. Is this you be 40 thing the most civilized brotherly fallout ever? Because all the other brotherly fallouts in bands that I'm aware of at least, they've all

32:24involved fighting. And this one, well, that he hasn't yet. Okay, let's list them. I mean, Ray and Dave Davis, there's been Fisticuffs there, hasn't that? And certainly between Dave Davis and other members of the King. Some of you used to take place on stage, didn't it? I think McCavry threw a symbolist head at some point, nearly killed you. Yes. And although I think all the rest of the King's thought, that's quite a sound thing to do is to throw a symbolist at Dave. But you know, the Evily Brothers fell out really, really badly for years. And because they've got the worst possible deal, which is they're going out as the Evily Brothers. Now clearly, one of them cannot go out as the Evily Brothers. If the Evily Brothers, can you? It doesn't work. It doesn't work at all. I mean, there's also the similarly in the world of country music, there's Louven Brothers, who were the kind of country gospel

33:27duo of the 50s. And they fell out, there were two brothers. One of whom was a complete reckless, hard-drinking fool. And the other one was a mild mannered church, stay at home. And they fell out really badly. And of course, people still sing their songs. If I could only win your love and all these kind of things, the birds, sweet, all the radio, was half made up of Louven Brothers songs. I think Emilio Harris did Louven Brothers songs. They're all songs about devotion to each other, which was not reflected in any aspect, any aspect of their life. But obviously, whether it's a Get Look, Gib Brothers, Robbie Barry and Morris, they had the moment. And of course, bring it up right up to date. Your favorite subject, you've made a special study of this. This is Alex's PhD at university, was the relationship, the fraternal falling out,

34:32the Gallagher brothers. And you've been to see the film, aren't you, Alex? I have. I went to watch it on Tuesday, and I brought my clean-necks. I was very prepared. But it was fantastic. And it really brought you, I think, closer than you ever been before, to their real dynamic, because the film starts in rehearsal. And apparently, what the directors did was, because they didn't want the band to feel like they were being watched. So they rigged up various cameras before anybody got in. And I think watched it all from the port of cabin. So the band weren't conscious of... I think this had increasingly, so into an interrupt, it's increasingly how lots of things are done quite rightly. There's lots of podcasts done like this, whoever's directing it is miles away. It's like on top gear, when they shoot things in cars, the director is miles away. The producer is in a different county. It doesn't

35:36matter at all. So people don't feel the pressure of the proximity of people looking at them saying, has this gone on too long or whatever, you know, they can do it in their own sweet time. Carry on, go on. So you start the film with them coming into rehearsals and, you know, they all seem very, very attentive. So attentive, in fact, it's very unawasis. And there's something very, very hesitant about known in particular that I've never seen in them before. Like, the cockiness has gone. It's something has happened. You don't get any explanation as to why they're informed also. I don't think that's a key thing when you go into it. You won't have any questions answered. We don't know what brought them back together. But something has clearly happened, I think, to make them address their own mortality, their own kind of position on the timeline and patch things up before it's too late, I think. And you're thinking that something was something other than four large men coming in the room, each carrying the corner of the biggest check you've

36:41ever seen in the long. I think, I think, no, says at one point, all the little things that used to annoy us about each other have just disappeared. And I don't think that happens, especially, you know, with a relationship as long as the Gallagher brothers. I don't think that happens overnight without something significant happening that's quite external, you know, to that. Well, there may be there may be something that triggered it. For what is worth, and you don't know, and I don't know either, but I'm going to throw in my theory. Prior to them getting met together again, every single person in their personal business, social orbit wanted them to get back together again. And it eventually becomes a thing where you think, oh, just get on with it. You know what I mean?

37:41Because suddenly overnight, when you've decided you're going to go back to get long tour, or suddenly your kids are happier, your wife is certainly happier, your manager is happier, every single roadie that you ever had anything to do with is happier, every single member of the band is happier, every single person, person selling merchandise, driving the car, providing the health services, everything around your world. And it's a lot of people, a lot of people, as I think we touched on last week, is suddenly going around whistling with the hat on the side of the head, because they're absolutely thrilled, because they've all got work out of it. You are at the center of an industry, you know, and if you're sitting at home brooding in your tent, that industry is not working. And suddenly overnight, that industry is firing away. And it's 5,000 people have got jobs

38:46and absolutely. I think Mark said something about this last week actually. So after you get over the rehearsal phase of the film, it starts to become a concert movie basically. But what they've done, apparently they brought in camera crews in each show location, independent crowd camera crews, and they didn't give them a shot list. They just said, sure what you want, what you want, capture the concert, capture it and what it feels like. And so they did. So what they do, they shoot it out to the audience. And I think what became apparent to the band, as things went on, was how much those, that catalogue of songs, how much of an effect it's had on people. And how much it still means to people. People's, you know, I include myself in this, you know, people's whole lives are encased in these songs. And the sound of them opens that box and brings all kinds of memories out that, you know, people have long forgotten. And it's it's a really, really powerful thing. And a lot of those shots are focused away from the band. And

39:51it puts you right back in there. And you know, it's what really struck me was, was how much, how much hope and power Oasis's music gives people, you know, it really, I think, at its heart, what drew me to it, I think is, you know, and it's best it represents the best of week that we can be. You know, it reminds you of all the things that make life worth living, that make you want to get out of bed in the morning. You know, when Oasis is playing, it's always a sunny day in your soul. And I'm not sure there's any artist on the planet that articulates that so well, so simply, you know, and I don't think it's really something that you can, you can scientifically dissect. It's something to do with the music and the two people at the front, the dynamic between them, bringing it to you, that gives you that. And it's it was fantastic. And you know, how long will it go on for Alex? And it goes into the subject of brothers, they're doing it

40:54next year, aren't they? There's a part of me that kind of hopes there wouldn't because, you know, how do you top last year, just the will of them actually being about the disbelief? I think that was part of it. I'm not sure how the next talk and make it better. And I really hope they don't run it into the ground because because life 25 was, was perfect. It was absolutely perfect. And, you know, maybe though, maybe they'll count it after the next tour, you know, maybe they'll have their fill, you know, they'll have enough zeros in the bank account, whatever. I don't think so. I don't think so because like everybody else in that game, they're addicted to it because there's nothing else in life as good as that. And they're real, they've given it into that. Nothing else will ever be as good. And, and let's just spare a thought for a second. For whoever the poor sad is, a member of Noel Gallagher's high flying birds or whatever, I mean, these bands still functioning supposedly. Is that still going? It's on hold of them. It's on hold of them. So we're talking about

41:54the money. And I think I thank you this thing. We're always fascinated by the money people make. And there's a terrific little clip on YouTube featuring an actress, senior actress, probably retired called Annie Causen, who appeared in Seinfeld back in the day, back in the 90s. She thinks she may have been in five episodes. She says she thinks she may have had a total of about 25 lines over those five episodes. However, and she got paid for it and she didn't know, they got paid well. But because Seinfeld is always being rerun somewhere, she gets residual checks. We hear talk about people getting residual checks, which every featured actor gets a residual check. So it's not just if you're rote or one of the star actors or whatever. And she's

43:00interviewed about this. And she ratings her residual checks for those five shows. Have amounted over the years to $100,000. She says she has some years to where it's hardly anything. And some years, well, it's quite a lot. And she added it up. It's a hundred thousand. It's declining now because those days of syndication are in the past nowadays. Where is it? You know, you talked to I guess it's different with streaming. It's streaming because all this stuff gets divided up on on YouTube. And they don't they don't part his way in the same way. So that's $100,000. It was a very nice little contribution to a pension, isn't it? That. But on the other hand, Kevin Hart, the actor comedian Kevin Hart, was talking to James Corden about how much he made out

44:09of Jumanji, the next level. Now I saw the original Jumanji. I don't know how many other ones that have been clearly at least one of them. Well, I think Chris, I think this was a sequel to the remake. Okay, there you go. Right. This is this all. This ties up with what I'm saying about Bon Jovi doing three Wembley stadiums 30 years after the last hit, doesn't it? You know, all these things are such a long life nowadays. Anyway, James Corden asks him clearly knowing the answer. Says, how much did you make out of Jumanji, the next level? And Kevin Hart says, well, I didn't ask for a lot of money up front. Instead, I wanted money out of so called the back end, as they always called it in Hollywood. Now, this can be a very risky thing to do because in Hollywood, they're very creative in making things look as if they haven't made any money at all because

45:11they're loaded or absolutely all the costs and then they get the end of the day say, oh, it made seven dollars. And so that you can have one. But anyway, in the case of Jumanji in the next level, Kevin Hart made 20 million dollars. 20 million dollars. That's not for starting, that's not for starring in Star Wars. That's not the Godfather or whatever. That is Jumanji, the next level, 20 million dollars. I think Jumanji, because I think it was Jack Black that was cast in the... Was it with him? It was a pretty big ticket concept. And of course, you had parents who watched it 30 years ago, taking their kids to watch this one as well. And also, he probably, you know the story of Janet Nicholson made more money out of the second Batman film that he made

46:15out of the first one. Oh, really nice. The funny thing about that is he wasn't in the second one because he's deal, his deal was, okay, if I do the first one, you pay me a lot of money and I pass his debate in the revenue stream for anything else that you do after that. And so if they're merchandise makes a fortune, Jack gets his whatever percentage it is. I can't be, it's been not been in the film. I could be wrong here, but I think Robert Downey Jr had negotiated a similar kind of thing for his place in a Marvel scene about either of us. I think he went, I'm sure. And then you know, it was the back end that gave him... Yeah, yeah, because you don't need paying a lot to do it, because I mean, very often it doesn't take a lot of time. You know, to do this film, you know, the actual filming time for the actors doesn't have to be a lot of time, you know. But you can participate in the money. So my question to you, Alex is that these are nice little learners in various

47:17different branches of entertainment. Yeah, it's a good little side hustle, isn't it? I mean, you know, it's like, Alex Guinness and Star Wars, whatever it was, you know, whatever percentage it was, it proved to be just incredible riches, you know. If of all the nice little learners you could have which one would you like to have? Is there anybody you're particularly envious of in that respect, Alex? Do you ever think if this could happen, it would be nice to figure out this way? Go on. I think I'd quite like a Merry Christmas everybody. Oh, God, yes. Or there she goes, you know, just one song, one song that just happens to be completely evergreen. And I can walk in on sunshine. Yeah, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas everybody is the... And I think I'd rather that than than a residual from a film. Right. Because if I'd have written that song, you know, obviously the money would be, would be quite nice to say the least. However, I could also just think to myself, I made

48:22that. That came out of me, you know, and I'll be very pleased with that in my heart, I think. So that would be my little residual. How about you? What was it? You must remember Dad's army? Yes. And do you remember the Andrew? You played private godfrey, the mild-mannered first-world war veteran who he was all looking for lavatory. Oh, yeah, yeah. Very minor part, really. But he was always there, he was part of the team. He was played by Arnold Ridley. And Arnold Ridley, who must have been, and certainly in his 70s, probably in his 80s, at the time he did Dad's army, had while a young man in the 20s, I think, written a play called I think the Ghost Train. And he'd run in the West End very successfully for ages. And if you have a play in the West End, you can do very, very well to do. And then it continued to be performed by semi-prose enamsers, you know, for decades, you know.

49:32And so Arnold Ridley didn't really need the Dad's army money. I'm sure he liked it. I really liked having that income when he was in his 70s and 80s. But he still had, you know, as somebody pointed out one of our podcasts in the past, Mailbox Money. You know, it's really, Mailbox Money. It just comes in twice a year or whatever. Why not always be a fortune, but it'll always be there. Just based on something you did when you're, when you were 25 years old and it proved to be a success. Didn't Stephen Frye because Stephen Frye became a very big star. He wrote the book for the stage production of Me and My Girl, which is based on old music by who I don't know, but he wrote the book. And so he continued to do very, very well out that absolutely all the time, you know. It's like Ben Elton and writing, you know, the Queen music. It just keeps on going,

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54:58we talked to in the past, people we like talkative frankly and give them a bunch of standard questions about that kind of history in terms of pop music and their personal history and all kinds of things. And Sid was our first guinea pig for that and that was great fun. We also picked a Jeanine Warren who's written a book about, I know it's it's what do call it, we call it Indie Sleeze down where it leaves. Yeah, absolutely. And clarifying Indie Sleeze for anybody you might not know what that means. So Indie Sleeze covers a sort of early early to mid-naughties period of of indie music. So we're talking the strokes, the liberty, means block party. It's like the world began again with the strokes didn't it? And I know you are personally a great subscriber to this theory, aren't you? Or you know that phrase, Ozzy Osborne used when he said, when he discovered the Beatles, it was like the world suddenly appeared in Technic, I don't have to be in black and white for years. That was kind of it for me with the strokes actually. So be the world appeared in leather or previously being cotton. Yeah, well

56:03so that's Jeanine Warren's hit Griffin and there be loads of other stuff coming your way over the next week or so. So as Alex mentioned earlier, if you are a patron sports owner on the right tier, you could well have a wonderful birthday present every year, being invited to throw a your own personal conversational log on the smoldering fire of the word in your ear bonfire. And this week that owner was extended to Stephen way. And now it's time for word in your ears, birthday guest of the week. And so we're joined by Stephen way on the occasion, well not the occasion is worth it. It was the other day and it was celebrated quietly. Hello Stephen, you're right. Yes, I am. And you have a point to make about the duration of gigs. This is right. This is the new one. We're not at this before. Go on. I think so. And as I as a veteran gig gamma, but

57:10probably not as veteran as some other people in this room, I am convinced that gigs are getting shorter. Maybe because the artists are going to see a getting older. And so the question is how long is too short for a gig? So was there a particular occasion that may you think hang on up in short change there? I was thinking about that and the other is yes, but asked me when we were playing and I can't tell you. I rather think an hour and 15 minutes is too short. Who was it you saw? Can you remember for a few minutes? I think. I don't know. They better not be listening. I think the humanly didn't play for very long. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I can see them. Well, they were probably on one of those package bills, right? No, they were playing with that couple of other acts on it. But it wasn't a package bill. But yeah, they didn't seem to play for an enormous amount of time. But then you could argue that if they only play for whatever is 75

58:13minutes, they've got to edit down what they think people want to hear rather than play more of what they want to play, which is your advantage surely, which which may also mean that they haven't got as many bangers in their in their back pack. Well, they said now to be fair to the human leak, which is expected words that I never thought would triple by time. Ever. The brevity is kind of part of the appeal of the humanly. It's not like going to the grave full dead of blessed memory where a good grateful dead show was one that went off for weeks. It was one version of Dark Star that took you know from Monday to Wednesday or whatever. That was just part of the deal. Whereas the whole thing about the humanly is you know how long everything's going to be. They're not going to do a version of the things that dreams are made of that suddenly goes off into a solo in the middle. Oh, they're not going to happen. You know, you'd like to feel the humanly started on time and ended

59:15on time and going back to you in one hour, 15 minutes, I would presume that they have a contract which stipulates how long they what's the minimum amount of time that they play for and there were the maximum as well because then you're going to noise restrictions and curfews and all that. Well, that's good. So is it like Chuck Berry where after 75 minutes they're just suddenly just pack up and leave us. When he goes off. Well, the other bit of my my log email to Alex was was the daring starts earlier and ends earlier as well. And you're complaining. That's it. That's really. I rather find that these gigs are in at 1030. I'd rather like Lainty Geeks. So wait a minute. I've got to get home from it. I'm going to say I've got to introduce sublime and dream information here. Where are you living Stephen? So I live down the coast near the Channel. Oh, okay. Right. So where are you traveling to to go and see these? Well, if I travel

1:00:19into I tend to drive. So you drive travel into the out so you travel into London. I'll pay the car up. I'll keep tube it in. So so you drive back from it's not critical. It's not critical. But you have a London economy that that provides itself and it's nighttime economy and it's 80 night time tubes. And then all the all the all the concerts stop at upostain. Oh, okay. I would I bet in defense of the the earlier starting time. You know, we were only talking about this earlier this earlier today, Mark and I. The most most times you go out in London, you go out straight from work. And so the last time you've got to kill the better, you know, the bed. Whereas if you're coming in, I could appreciate that would be that would be different, you know. And people I think people generally, is it the case that they get up earlier nowadays than they used to?

1:01:20Is that is that true or not? Um, no, is it not? Well, I do. I definitely get it. Well, you know, I've had once you had kids, the the ability to sleep in was just completely gone. It was bred out of you. You know, so I'm I'm looking for action at six in the morning. But I think there's another part of this equation, which is that I can understand your idea of length of time, equaling value for money. But do you find that you just lose concentration after 75 minutes? Because I kind of find that generally with, with anyway, when an art exhibition or whatever, watching a film, you know, we were, I went to see the Odyssey the other day. Was it a better film for being three hours long? No, I don't think it was. I think it would be better shorter actually because it lost my concentration. It's true. I suppose you lose your concentration when they when they're reading two songs from our latest album. It appears. Well, but you did, but Stephen, you don't get that anymore to you

1:02:25because they're not on tour in that they're not promoting the new album. Are they any boy? I mean, mostly to the humanly playing in new material. Sure. No, hey, come on. 100 plays in new material. Right. Okay. That was very good. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure. Good. So there's, but you don't, you know, you don't fondly recall the days of gigs where the band blended on at quarter to 11 or something and then, you know, we're still on full phone call. We'll leave you with this. I recall the days of gigs where you'd stand around until 11 before the band came on. And no, then then thrash out a couple of hours. Well, is he, I'm simply too old for doing that nowadays. I can't stand up that long, you know, because because I've, no seriously, I've always had this problem with bands that bands operate on a different time scale because they, you know, bands

1:03:31used to use to lie in bed to one in the afternoon and then get up and have a little lunch and somebody would drive them to a gig. And you know, they have sound check and then they go and kill time for three hours. Yeah. Whereas everybody else has been up to the first thing in the morning, done a day's work. But anyway, most of the bands that we're, that I'm guessing we, we go and see are all of similar age to us. When you saw the humanly, did you get the feeling when they went off stage after 25 minutes that all the people around you were going, bloody hell, that's a, you know, major ripple. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Come back, you banners. Oh, that was good. I just thought it was a bit, a bit, a bit of a tie. But, oh, it's okay. It's a moot. But I think the contract for that as a package thing is because you saw, who did you see them with two other 80s bands, right? I think they were with Benona Rama and

1:04:35did the Null Arms play a long set? Benona Rama and Tom Thompson, Tim Twins. Oh, right, Tom. Yeah, yeah. Tom Baile. That's a package tour. So that's a package tour. So therefore, you're expected people to go on, play their hits. In fact, I'm amazed that you got an hour and a quarter. Most of the people go on, do five songs and off. These are the ones you'll remember. Yeah. I suppose David's point that he's all contractual, of course. It has changed a little bit. And for these people now, it's their job. Of course it is. As opposed to a bunch of kids going out, gigging and thinking it's great. Definitely. And if you give them a short change, you won't get hired again. We'll just close the subject with a reminder, Mark will tell us, how long did the Beatles play for a Shea Stadium in 1960? Yeah, we were talking about the other day. We're going to go, I can't remember exactly. I have a 28 minutes or 34. It's so four minutes in which they played something like 16 songs. Yeah, but not even their obvious hits. So I know that they ended with

1:05:41I'm down. Yes. Be side. But everybody went home weeping with excitement. And the point is they just got, they just produce an intense experience, which after six support acts, I think, is all anyone could cope with. You couldn't, you were so excited about the Beatles, you wouldn't have been able to deal with it anymore than that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they didn't come on. And also two shows a night. Yeah, it was the case. Yeah, you're doing stars, isn't it? Steve, we're not been very sympathetic. Oh, we're really good deal there. 75 minutes of the humidity. It's all you'd want. Yeah, I don't know. That's what I want to say. So, Steve, once again, happy birthday and thank you very much for your sports. Thank you very much. See you next year. Yes, see you next year. This podcast was brought to you by The Word. Who says Halloween only last one day? With Wayfair, one night of Halloween becomes a whole season at

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