Why is CCP’s cognitive warfare different?

0:00Hello everyone, welcome to the voice of Dr. Ye. I'm your host Dr. Li Meng Yan. Today we welcome our friend, my guest Dr. Franco Miu Su. He has been appeared in my show one time before. I hope he could be my regular guest. But for my audience who are not familiar with Dr. Franco, let me briefly introduce him. Dr. Franco Miu Su attended Georgetown University, graduated in the medical undergraduate and medical school, followed by training in general surgery, internal medicine, and nephrology at Brook Army Medical Center and Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

1:03Intercurrent assignments include the opposed intership, Army group surgeon position at Hamilton Air Force Base Hospital in Greece, carry me on staff at Walter Reed with multiple clinical shows, leaving the US Army as the tenant panel. Dr. Miu Su was in private practice from 1998 until 2022 during which time he wore many hats in medical leadership and the director's shape show. Currently Dr. Miu Su is a very, very involved in many ongoing projects to include consultation work in the field of nephrology and internal medicine and medical experiments to multiple referral hospitals throughout the United States. He has a passion for teaching medical students, residence families, and physicians at all levels since 1994 in the capacity of his academic departments at various medical schools to

2:07include the University of Health Sciences and also Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine and also the University of Virginia School of Medicine, King Royce, Wright King, mentoring, academic teaching projects, national and international acting, and the review of the medical articles for over 20 medical journals. And also, he is now a host of another show, weekly show on a market out on all the two, right, Dr? That's right. Yeah, well, come on. By the way, I've had you a couple times too, I think. I've had you a couple times show off. Yeah, so this is our fourth show together. Yeah, this is a first show we're doing together and I hope we could have more in the future because we do have to talk about to share with our audience. And as today, we discussed, I want to talk about cognitive warfare. This topic I talked with Edward Halkman,

3:13and you also talked with Edward Halkman. Oh, by the way, Edward Halkman has the second book on Cognitive Welfare. He will get, come out this fall. Excellent. Yeah, so it's a time for you and me to talk about this topic because we know people get Americans get more and more familiar with Cognitive Welfare compared to two or three years ago when Halkman published his first book. You know, I read, thank you for having me, Dr. Young, I appreciate it. And he taught me so much. I was with him on the National Security Hour and what I tried to do from the medical standpoint is analyze that he, of course, is an expert in cognitive warfare. And I read his book twice, twice. This is so good. That's how I learned so much. Oh, yeah. But I would medically and psychologically, I'm not a psychiatrist, but I feel like many times yes. And I would analyze the

4:19brains of the medical aspects of what the terrorists are doing, the cyber armies are doing. And even today, I was before, before we started talking, there's a headline here in the Washington Times, Chinese government linked to massive AI tech theft from American tech companies. And it says here, the companies are engaged in systemic extraction of USAI know how the National Security Asian FBI, other federal agencies have reported. And again, it just came out and it's likely with Chinese government awareness, Beijing linked businesses, deep seek, moonshot AI, Alibaba, Mini Max, Stepfone, and ZAI, all this stuff. And it all, I mean, that's not a surprise. And this comes out what every week or so, maybe even more than that we're not aware of. But stealing intellectual property is, and we do it too, by the way, we're not angels. We're not angels.

5:21Everybody does it. Even Trump said it a couple weeks ago. He says, we spy on us. We spy on them, you know, and it goes on and on. So, but this is more than spying. It's cognitive warfare is a big umbrella term, my understanding. And in fact, let me read to you just from from Ed's book, Dr. Mr. Holklins book, because and this is entitled, let's see, how do you cognitive war? Why we are losing and how we can win. And this is how he describes it. Cognitive war is a, quote, primarily an ideological war between tyranny and freedom, control and independence, subjugation and democracy. It is a war fought primarily in the cognitive domain, using strategies which apply various ways, ideology, religion, issues, blah, blah, blah, and means academic, economic, agriculture, social, etc. to influence. It is as timeless as mankind exists. So, that's his

6:27definition. And there are others, the NATO strategic warfare development command, their definition is activity, quote, activities conducted in synchronization with other instruments of power to affect attitudes and behaviors by influencing protecting or disrupting individual group or population level cognition to gain an advantage over an adversary. And, quote, so, yeah, that's a huge field, if you will. And under that field, there are different subfields, like for example, cyber army, cyber army. And that's become extremely powerful and prevalent by many countries, but particularly China. And what I just read to you this morning about the Chinese government, massive AI theft. So, it's huge. It's huge. And I wonder now, in the

7:34medical fields, in the scientific fields, see, this is part of that too. But did you have any of this yourself when you were there in Hong Kong? Or were you aware of it? Or you were so busy, because they know that they know that other people are so, so busy in what they're doing, that they're slowly, slowly very smart, very smart, slowly infiltrating all fields, all fields of human study and nature. When you talked about when I was in Hong Kong before I came to US, whether I experienced the cyber army and the country, warfare, actually, we changed people of course. I mean, I was in Hong Kong, but I moved to Hong Kong when I've almost completed my PhD study in China. So, for communist country, you know, Hong Kong, yeah, it's supposed to be different, but actually since, especially since 1997, go back, come back reunified with China,

8:39it's already part of China. Just the difference become less and less is very long until 2019, the pro-democracy protest happened. But the thing is, as Chinese person, compared to Americans, who are talking about cognitive warfare and cyber army, I can tell you, most of the skills were experienced now in our life in the US, from social media, traditional media or society, actually generated from a developed and improved by our enemy, the communist, China CCP. And also, it's my clinical trial. They've been done with China. That's a good point. Baby time to grow up. Baby time, were you aware of that or were you? I asked you, Marfami, you know, it's my Truman's word. You cannot be aware of that if you are

9:42born in the society, full of this. And the thing is, when I was born in China, it was already 1980s, and it has been over one generation to grow up, you know, my parents generation grew up in the new China, and my grandparents, they, when the new China established, they were still teenagers. So, the thing is, basically, you say, when you're born in a family and the society, most of people used to the communist things. So, kind of their brainwashed in a sense. Big, kind of. Huge brainwashed. And they don't even know their brainwashed. No, it's very interesting, you know, since you were talking about this, I think we should focus on this part because definitely you will be interested in that. It's really like, I mean, to be honest, if we would do the animal experiment, you know, I mean, you do some experiment conditional training to the adult animal, all you do is, once the young animal was born

10:44as babies, you assume you have different response, right? And for example, when you do it to the young animal, Jimmy gets used to it all his life, but you change it to the adult animal. It could be more difficult because they will somehow turn back to the original situation. Yeah, that happens to people too because we can see not only from my grandparents, but also for their generation because at that time, when I was young, you can see the old generation, they know the difference between communist China and non-communist China. So somehow, we talk about the same topic, like the, I mean, people who get educated and who are aware of these changes for these kind of senior people, when they talk about cultural revolution, they have different opinions compared to my parents' generation. Yes. Because my parents, they were born in and of

11:471950s, when cultural revolution happened, they were just teenagers. You know, all even just primary school students. Yes. They would feel the red things somehow, even it doesn't mean still as a communist, it doesn't mean still want to go back to that crazy period, but they have some positive things. So I would think too, for example, you, when you're in the science world and you're in Hong Kong, you had a lot of professional relationships with outside of Hong Kong, outside of China. I mean, that's how, especially you were involved with the Wuhan lab and such and all of your work. But you have to have exposure to the west, exposure to the west to really understand, I guess. So your parents or your grandparents, before the cultural revolution, in order to make their opinions,

12:48have their opinions, weren't the Chinese kind of blocking a lot of the west, western thought, and so forth, so I'm curious, because so many Chinese are were and other countries as well, who we talked about brainwashed and not really understanding, but I'm a little surprised. I mean, you had so much, I give you so much credit for leaving an escaping Hong Kong. I'm wondering, why aren't so many other people doing it? Because maybe they don't have the exposure to the west as you did. Maybe you're pond, you're pond of good thing, because as I just told you, the different generation has their different ideas, right? But my generation, 1980s, that's already, again, the time, Jimmy Carter and Nick and Ronald Reagan after that, how established the relationship with China. So, yeah, yes, from before, kind of open society at that time, and it's, I see, I see,

13:52requires society, social change, society change, it also requires the same influence from your families, that's why you see, when I talk about grandparents generation, when I was young, I did tell me how bad culture revolution is, and they were also, what happened before communist China was established, and also more importantly, that's why we see the western culture is quite influential, because not only about entertainment, but also especially since, you see my grandparents, my mom's parents, they both at university education, and when my grandfather, he changed as a doctor, so he also learned languages by himself. Yes, yes, he's very, very educated. Like this kind of western medical thinking. So this makes people have, I mean, compared to other

15:00people in that period, he has aversion, I see, and he work with foreigners in China too. Yeah, I see, but I've had this on my show a number of times, everything you're hinting at, but what I would, you were asking me about certain things and about the cyber armies, I find extremely interesting, because they have evolved, they have become developed, very rapidly, but particularly in the last 10 years, and even more in the last five years or so, they've become extremely sophisticated. And I guess you've been in the United States now, since 2006 years, a little more than six years, April 2020. So you've been here for six years plus four months. Now, what I've learned is this, and who taught me this was some of the, I've had guests, for example,

16:08that one of the drugs are under Trump, under President Trump during his first administration, and that the cyber warfare, these are criminals, I think. Well, we do it too, we do it too, and I've had patients who were doing this, okay, not only spying, and you can spy, that's fine, but when you get to more layers of this, so they've become very sophisticated, almost like the cartels, the cartels from Mexico, Latin America, and South America, they're very sophisticated, they have a huge network, it's almost like having a huge private company, right, and different arms of the company, but the cyber warfare, they're very smart, they use extensive networks. I mean, you have to become a professional to do this, you really do, to know what you're doing, in terms of being a cyber

17:08person, but it's a multi-layer command and control, and so what they do is they take hijack servers, they, these are things, I have no idea about, but they laundry, just like criminals, the mafia launders money, and so do the cartels, well, they launder other things, they launder this electrical traffic, and they use small office routers, as proxies, and then they do all this stuff that I could never even imagine, even it's worse than anything you can see on television on movies, what they do. So what I'm learning about is, so here, I mean, this is an article, this is what they do, mass deployment of automated bots, networks, deepfakes, and sock puppet accounts to amplify societal divisions, suppress specific news, leak stolen documents strategically during high-stakes political moments, they compromise high-profile entities, not to destroy it, but to selectively leak real

18:13and settle the altered communications, to damage public trust or manipulate public opinion, and along with that, they steal intellectual property, along with that, right? I mean, from what I'm learning. From AI, AI seems to use it. Well, just like I was reading before, so now everything has turned into AI, but it doesn't have to be just AI. It's not just AI, but will you mention this? Yes. But yes. The cyber-armic kind of improves their capacity, AI, installation, definitely helps them. So, you know, in kind of ironically, AI or benevolent good AI is learning from the evil cyber-armies, what the evil cyber-armies are doing. So then you have one AI against another AI, right? You have so, AI's are learning by each other, then you have the good, you have the good people, I'm assuming good people, I don't know if there are any good people versus the bad people.

19:15So the bad, the bad armies, the bad cyber-armies are doing all these terrible things, and the good AI's are maybe learning from them and trying to counter them. And it's become, it's become crazy. It's become crazy. It's right. I don't know how else to say it. I don't know how else to say it. It's crazy. And it's become, it's become like, you know, you sit down and you think, how can I write a book? The craziest book and the most so, I guess 1984 was one of those, and projecting in the future as to what would happen in the future or you want to make a movie, you want to make a movie and you want to make a movie that's so interesting and captivating. And you employ all these, again, I used to work crazy because I don't know how else to do it, but intellectually very, very smart and advanced, but also crazy. And but it's happening right now.

20:18It's happening in real time. It's happening right now. Yeah, it can help us improve our working and studying. It's really helpful. And also, we also see the same time that, for example, when we talk about the social media, those kind of cognitive world, you see, you could speak in different languages. And even previous, back to senior years ago, 2020, last time, in my actions, when people are talking about the election or opinions on Twitter as a time, you would get attacked, but I remember as a time, not that difficult for, especially in speaking people to recognize, oh, this is some cyber army who come just here to curse, blame, and see something nonsense. But now go to, when, 2026, when you talk about something on Twitter, I mean, especially when it goes to a controversial topic, it would be kind of difficult, at least

21:23initially, for Americans to recognize who has a boss, which attacks you or agrees with you. Even I'm very familiar with this kind of cognitive world tactics, because of six years I've been going through so much, you know, I changed, get changed. And she or now, when I sometimes when I post something and they rush to me, and when I check their account, some of them looks like the real person, but I know that this is evolved that kind of account. That's very interesting, because I need to be more carefully scrutinized this kind of account. Do you have, do you have an IT person that helps you with this? Because I read through their posts, read their previous posts, their repartions. Well, you can see if it comes from Nigeria,

22:26or if it comes from, I don't know, Malaysia. No, no, not like that, but I can see what kind of narrative they are shipping. I see, I see, I see. And I can see why they want to do this, because it could consistent or cooperate with a larger map. You know, so AI is wonderful. Can be wonderful. Can be wonderful. AI is not always, they're not always angels or it doesn't always give you accurate information. So I got caught in something last week. It was a scientific study or a conference that I was invited to, which I am going to go next year. But then I started receiving all this information from AI. I don't know who was sending it to me, that this was a fraudulent, yeah, a fraudulent correct, a fraudulent conference, that, you know, there are, because there are journals that are predatory journals, meaning that they solicit

23:32from you or from many of mother's articles and all that. But they're not all predatory, by the way. And no, they're not. Some of them are, yes. And some conferences are made up in scams, but not all of them. So AI is as good as the information that's being fed into the AI. Okay. AI doesn't come up with, doesn't have a brain of itself. It's, and it doesn't. So I have a lot of trouble in the medical fields. I do. And other things with AI. I can't say I'm anti-AI, because it's overrun our world. It is. And if we use it for good, that's wonderful. But you know, social media. So I was on X since November, because of my show to promote my shows. I had to take myself off of X, because it was terrible. I had people making accusations about me and about

24:35in terms of the universities and all of these things. So I don't think that was a cyber army type thing. It could have been, it could have been, a mixture. It could have been a combination. Yes, it could have been a mixture. It could. Yeah. It could host you to keep silence or to force you to change your opinions, change your narratives. That's that's your objective. Cyber Army is just a part of their tooth. Yeah. Cyber Army is, I mean, it's not an army, but it's kind of like an army, because a lot of countries like, I'm sure China outsources, outsources, cyber army, outsources, individuals, were specialized in this. It's not really called outsource in China. No, not called it. It's outsources, but it's kind of outsources company have party branch, have meaningly and in time, officers inside. True. True. True. I guess yet. So it's all one big super,

25:39one big kind of mess. It really is, but but all ultimately overtaken by the CCP. And you could say maybe in the United States, when we have our own cyber experts, do they work for the government, our government? Do they work for private companies who ultimately give the information to our government? So, you know, like, like, for example, any wrong, you have them, the theocracy, they're all religious, right? But then you have private entities, private entities, and some of them, these people are extremely rich. The rest of the population is very poor, extremely rich, but ultimately, their arms of the government ultimately, they may be private, yes, but but still, their arms of the guy. And I guess that's what you're telling me with China. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. By the way, Xi Jinping really admires a Kamenai regime structure. So he failed that because our

26:39source told us that he became very interested into Kamenai's regime at the time. So that's why it's so close. And because he's not only using even communism and the CCP's country cannot let China so tightly controlled by him. So he in the North Korea, he need to move from Iran, to our housing, to bring wash people again, again, again, from the original, from the, you know, the leadership, you know, you know, I mean, you start thinking about what's what's our purpose? I mean, I don't want to become too philosophical, but what is our purpose in life? What is our purpose in life? Is it to destroy our enemies, our enemies? Is that our purpose in life? Which a lot of these and the enemies, believe it or not, may not really be enemies. But if you say China and America, America is the enemy of China or Taiwan is the enemy of China or what have you or Putin,

27:46you know, Ukraine now is the enemy or NATO is the enemy of Putin. But you think about it, you think about it. And I have been thinking about this. But if you as a government or people who are under the government or working for the government, meaning the CCP, if that becomes your purpose for life of living, right? Your purpose of living is to be part of the cyber army. And we can talk about that later, the psychology of it because it's fascinating. I think it's upon you, Ming, because we need to have a short break now. Oh, yes. I just want to add one sentence that what you're asking is a great question or what's the purpose? But the thing is communism, government and regime and also like Iranians that kind of dictator regime compared to the US or Western democratic countries, they have totally different principles. So yeah, so we, I mean,

28:49the way is, for example, why the cognitive warfare can go through, um, smoothly in their opinions in the Western societies is because they know, like people Americans, so many American friends I met, they all have the ideas that, oh, we do something, they do something. And just for purpose of the existence of the government, of the country, so maybe fundamentally we are the same just because we're on different sides. Why do we become enemies? But no, I may have this kind of idea even before I see what happened in Hong Kong and what happened for Kuwait. But after that, I realized deeply that no, there is fundamental difference that's related to the survival of the humanity. So that's a fun, we need to go to the deep east pond to see the fundamental difference. If not cognitive warfare can be very powerful because they use this kind of confusion.

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34:01And our enemies like China they also treat us as enemies so they do it to us too. So that's something looks very similar and there are problems in US. There are also problems in China. Nothing is perfect. So why do we need to be enemy? What's the purpose of? I mean we're talking about cognitive warfare. I can tell you. So this is something China really like and the one you spread out when China developed this kind of strong unrestricted warfare and including the cognitive warfare tactics against Americans. They do like this kind of thinking and yeah in other words they feel this is so naive and they can use it. We are so naive. I'm not American. I'm not but that's your opinion. They believe because the naive means for example when I talk to American people or American friends especially when I

35:05just came here telling people the COVID-19 things and they always ask me okay we can understand the scientific and also the circumstantial evidence part you provided just one thing we don't understand and that makes us feel very confused. If you see it's weaponized the COVID virus was weaponized by CCP and why did they reduce it in Wuhan in their own city to make their people killed and especially they have no magic effectively vaccine or magic at that time. So that means everyone is kind of equal when they are vulnerable exposed to the virus. I remember you told me that one of the shows that they don't care. CCP doesn't care if many of its own population dies. Exactly so this is one thing that I need to keep telling my people I met especially at that time

36:06so now I can see more and more Americans can quickly catch the pond but at that time especially back to 2019 2020 people didn't realize China actually treat you as an enemy right so you think we are still friends and like how could they lose us we need their market they need our technologies and help and money. So the same is the I think we talk about the similarities between two societies. One thing is because CCP tried to pretend to be a normal regime, normal government they are merging from you. I would say it's like monkeys if the monkey had evolved and they know he want to behave as human he needs to learn how to dress up and he needs to learn how to use iPhone and iPad and he even try to learn how to go to university. That's a good analogy.

37:06And they can shave and they will. Yeah he can shave the hairs and they can shave I don't think they want to but they have to. They could. They could. They could look like human but turns out that's a monkey and the monkey has a monkey's nature so communist how communist nature no matter how they disguise eight. I'm going to bring up something interesting. Do you remember do you like to watch movies? So the what was it? 007 007 is the what's his name from England. He's the private eye. Oh shoot I'm I'm blanking on the private eye but anyway he would have these beautiful women beautiful women and some of them were Russian spies. Russian spies. So the Russians were known to send beautiful women to England and to the United States to be spies and they probably still do it.

38:09I in fact I would suspect they still do. Well do you remember the the congressman Swalwell with Fang Fang Fang? Yeah yeah yeah yeah Fang Fang is a Chinese CCP agent. I'm sure she is. I'm sure. Yeah. Well I remember just a couple of years ago there was these pictures pictures like like do you remember I don't want to mix them up a Biden in the Biden Sun and there were pictures of him with Braxton's it's okay but Swalwell took a picture of himself with Fang Fang. Both of them were in bed and that picture was all over the world. This was about I want to say two three years ago maybe four years ago three years ago. So you asked in 2015. 2015? Yeah Fang Fang came here in around 2012 I think. Oh okay okay so yeah I have my boy time flies. So maybe this was just initially now now that picture you don't see that picture anywhere anywhere

39:11but you still see pictures of Fang Fang with her clothes on not without her clothes on and Swalwell is clothes on not with I just wonder how that picture is not anywhere around. So so she got a lot of information Fang Fang did and she was basically a prostitute and God knows where she is now. So but what China yeah I know but who knows if China sends her somewhere else you know the government sends that's what I mean that's what I mean she's very good at what she does right and she had many other boyfriends not only Swalwell but also according to current I think if I do documents about Fang Fang's story it's the some kind of California may hear I want some person and really I'm competition and also photos with other like congressmen but I can't wait to see the initials. Oh interesting interesting but see we don't send our spies our

40:16female spies but maybe we do to China and going bad with the Chinese leaders and then get secrets from them do it I don't know I don't know maybe we do maybe we do I don't say Americans can use people like how KGB and also how the CCP do it because and also like you're interested all CCP culture difference right especially it's a yeast and the black culture so I mean I'm just getting to the point you said we're naive that Americans especially American men in Congress are in law making positions are naive and you have women coming and right and then oh my god I mean that that's the oldest way of getting information China is kind of it's not very complicated China calls it's kind of honey traps as the new version of the red red female red lady army you know red lady army yeah because we have this kind of red lady army back to

41:22before new China was established so the use of term now you see the use the now actually really fun this kind of things for example well in the past few years when they send the illegal migrants actually we have our source we help American side to do the investigation right actually among this kind of illegal migrants from China there are hundreds of thousands at CCP's agents and there are at least several thousand special forces and also there are tens of thousands other type of very high level professional trained agents and so there are different type of agents so they call it the new march you know because the new march was a term that was historic term back to before new China was established when CCP Chinese Communist Party was chasing away in the civil war

42:22they have to go to the remote areas in China so they call it the march but finally they go to base right and grab the regime so march was used as illegal migrations well American size mainstream media are praising oh how these people come to us we should embrace them and honey pot so that's naive that's very naive yeah and naive and also some of them are most treaters corrupt compromised with China to promote the narrative and also the red you come better the red is this army is the same red is this army you know China say Chinese Communist Party once they just have new China they tried to make Xinjiang and this kind of remote areas majority people get along well with them how could they do except I mean besides they kill people right but also they send just China the mainland especially the

43:25hand ladies to that area marry with people we grew people and others yeah they send thousands of girls here and it's basically like we will see you married the next generation so will you wife and the next generation what would they send thousands of girls for training they train them the train is just like you go there you should marry to them you should listen to the party so your task is go there to make where we'll distribute husband to you and this husband and you need to be all your to CCTV so you know this kind of training is called yeah maintain the stability so they also use these two us now we see so much like when fun fun things happen people they all fun fun is a spy but now you also see actually a lot of young Chinese lady or not young because there are always these kind of honeypots but China still is using these kind of honeypots tactics

44:32to force the new new period new era of the Red Lady army to be married. So are these women who come to study in the United States they come to study and then they I don't know they go to Capitol Hill and or know how they do it or they ingratiate themselves to their professors or they become close to to scientists or to engineers or to whatever and then they pretend like they're in love with them and then they share secrets and then then they broadcast those secrets back to state secrets intellectual secrets or what have you the government or what we do and and they transmit that back to the CCP is that how that works? Of course we can see everyone there is definitely real true love but the same as CCP is using these we could see the weakness of Americans and not only in America

45:35but America is the biggest enemy so they organize that so it's already well-organized, established so there are always these kind of agents, spies and even if they are not but think about if a young Chinese girl married to American some kind of politician or something even initial as a government doesn't know but later they will know it because you may not know the Chinese government regularly do this kind of background tracking focusing on these overseas people they will crush your family's home your parents home in China maybe every year and ask oh so what's your daughter doing there what your son is doing there and also do that's parents to fill the phones and in the US they have their eyes right? Amber say United France and also others is kind of

46:35underground people to watch everywhere so the CCP's idea is yes they have professional honeypots for example when we see abstent file get decosified we see one of the scandal not one of the scandals of the lady in the scandal is a Chinese economic professor who I didn't know that her name is Jin Ke Yu her father is top economist in China CCP's official it seems she should be a girl who had freedom to choose the boyfriend but turns out she slapped with his yeah Yu Ke with abstinence oh with you not with abstinence but with you have a special special honeypots style and how could she become this position because she's from the red family and all CCP's family and also they cultivate her to be a professional economist when you see she

47:37come to the global economics the devil this kind of forum she give lectures and when like the former Biden government that treasury minister came to Yemen she came to China this lady was their company with Yemen but turns out abstent file reveals she slapped with this professor Howard and also the others and they also these professors need to turn to get advice from abstent to say oh she wanted me to do this for her and I love her and she'll wait do it or not see they make this in a very sub-subter way in getting to know your sinkings you know Americans sinking you know how to make look natural and even see as one get followed but still I mean this is type of the people's world in a female version do you want to know something it reminds me of something very different but

48:41I was good friends with from college and afterwards with a woman who was very smart and she went to what's the school in Pittsburgh anyway she wanted to be an actress and she went into drama and she was in many plays and she wanted to go to Hollywood and then she told me and we were just friends we were just friends I said well you know you're so good and they offered you to go to Hollywood and and you know and maybe start getting into motion pictures and and films she said no but she says yes yes they did but I did not want to sleep with the director I did not want to sleep with all the directors and I said you're kidding she says no I'm not kidding I'm not kidding it all in order to progress now I'm sure that's not with everyone but in the entertainment industry

49:43but but it can be with you know and this this kind of reminds me of that a little bit she says I didn't want to I didn't want to sleep with and and because of that I'm going to go into another field I'm not going to go into entertainment at all I'm going to do something completely different now what you're talking about is is even more complicated because like I keep on thinking how stupid Eric Swallow was how stupid how stupid Bill Clinton now that was different Bill Clinton because Monica Lewinsky was not Chinese she could have been I mean in other words if there were a beautiful Chinese intern let me tell you let me tell you I don't I yeah he would be very compromised and and then and others as well and he he was the president of the United States I mean think about that would Fang Fang have gone to the White House with Bill Clinton I don't think he he would have a problem with that at the time now I know I that's the way but we know some

50:49while our sauce told us and we gave this information to us uh side uh like you know uh in 2022 2023 as a period you know you you key oh frequently changing their prime minister right always still do yeah yeah but the same is during that period when uh Johnson stepped down one of the candidates strong candidate it was as I think he was a financial minister of Samsung uh Jeremy Hound and that guy still in the party uh his kind of very strong candidate for this kind of competition however our source in central military commission in China told us Jeremy Hound's wife Musya Hound is a CCP professional agent you kidding even has her code name and no way she has a code name oh my goodness it's Guoyali in Chinese and you could say that she

51:52since she married Jeremy Hound Hound is like Suawa his career become even better and better they have a case and also uh the wife brought Jeremy to China after they married they were uh I mean Chinese top like prime minister that kind of level official also met them praise them and so praise them yeah Jeremy Hound is in the conservative party but he actually is already captured by CCP and the wife also has a pair of uh you know they called it a visual a visual is a pair of the agents share the same code name uh one is a one is B do this kind of cooperation from different a field in the society so so it was a fake marriage it was not a true marriage we could say that it's a real marriage just if you don't know your wife is a spy you think that

52:55is oh my god you know oh my goodness gracious and that's a wife isn't that something okay so really give you case she didn't just want to have a short term since you know trying that's a different thing that's crazy we say the Americans may have the spy activities we say in the movie like 007 things but we don't see go to the union the society and stay there uh go get along with family have a case cultivate case carefully whole life marriage but turns out actually you are captured by the wife or captured by the husband and they do mean love you and I something principally happened they may love you they may love you I don't know you say and you're spying or since I do can I think I can tell people the difference okay that my husband is a communist international and we do not each other not because I was nobody there so when we get married

53:58when we're falling in love we are just the two uh young researchers in Hong Kong you right he's from three months and his family are so nice to me I'm up I'm on the mama on his side but turns out yeah I can tell you my colleagues in university of Hong Kong they told me we are the best couples you have ever seen this is what true love's like because we worked together in the same department and we go to dinner always together lunch most of time together and uh yeah we don't calm down turns out when the real thing happened when I decided to my people know the COVID things the fact of COVID my husband is a WHO actually more experts hey knows coronavirus so when I initially didn't know I will review that hey no my boss or sami this contestant work and hey I want to share what I know from my sources in China my husband was even

54:58not that surprised later I realized because hey well what your husband was with you in in Hong Kong or he had already left he already left to the United States him left because China sent him to hunt me China helps him to go to after you left oh yeah China sent him to you pen because the position there and he can use these positions then you ask to hunt me to help promote the so the university of Pennsylvania is at fault he worked as well the mother of coronavirus with because CCP and my ex boss help him to get this were you married in Hong Kong or you married in New York married in New York because he was here for study and we come here and we get married he and then back to Hong Kong also registered so whether US and Hong Kong both recognized marriage

56:00but hey knows what the point is you see like you said whether this kind of honeypot scene I mean I'm not yes yes yes but I can tell you that's how I mean if my marriage is like this honeypot since it's worse good point good point good point good point good point yes I'm going out today so we have so much more to talk about you and we will meet our audience every Saturday and Sunday at 8 pm Eastern time on a mark out loud and I heart read you after that we will meet you on free apps like Pandora's body file and Apple podcast thank you so