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It's not just the idea that coach has been going so hard for the idea that Jeremiah
love at six as an option.
But after one segment, Darryl, I feel like I know it was Jeremiah love always in your
yes, camper no.
Yeah.
Okay.
It was always there.
Yeah.
All right.
You still played me a little bit.
I mean, yeah, I did.
I mean, book.
Okay.
I have, you know, this is the time of year where I start watching more, listening more,
reading more because I have, I have a little more time to do it.
It's hard to do it in the middle of a football season with the draft coming up and start
really doing your homework on these guys.
And yeah, that's why I gave you those three players that if they're there at six and
the Browns walk away with any of those three guys.
And again, that'd be Caleb Downs, Carl Tate, Jeremiah love.
It's going to be very difficult for me to sit, whether it's in this chair, when I'm joining
you or Ken and Anthony or whomever, it's going to be really hard for me to be like, yeah,
they really messed that pick up.
No, I think that if they walk away with any of those three players, we're good.
Was I have a hard time in general?
I think in coming up with players that I would just be very agitated about.
Now, in the beginning portion of this draft exercise, I was very much, and I yelled at
coach Riz was like, no, don't do anything defensively.
It's offense or nothing.
And everyone got on board with that.
And it felt like, all right, great.
Everyone's understanding of what this needs to be.
We got to fill up the needs, but ultimately we're switching to the offensive side of the
ball.
And then the past week and a half or so, I've changed my tune on this a little bit because
I what I think the Browns are trying to do in 2026 has changed.
Well, we first were having that discussion, Darryl.
It was about winning games in 2026 and it was about giving Shedore a best chance with
his offensive line and the wide receivers.
And the way I look at the Browns right now, I don't think they're trying to do that.
I don't think they're worried about 2026.
I think they're worried about 2027.
I owe 2028 and then obviously the eyes on 2029 when you open the deal.
So when you open it up to that, then my opinion on all of this changes drastically, then
it is about just getting the best players you can.
And it is about writing up and what I prefer to be the offensive side of the ball.
Of course, I would.
I do have a preference in that regard, but if I had to rank these players, if I had
to rank these players, okay, yeah, love is one, downs is two, tatus, one of the board
for you.
Yeah.
He's because I feel like he is such an explosive player.
I, the reason I haven't talked a lot about him.
One, this is the first time I've been asked about him.
Yeah.
And then secondly, I have made the assumption he ain't going to be there anyway.
Okay.
And he might, he might be there will legitimately, and I'm not just saying this because
I, the conversation's better if he existed six, but legitimately, he is a running back
and running backs.
We've had one running back taken the top five in the past, you know, 15 years.
Well, I guess two technically, but ashton, genty, it was genty six or five.
I keep throwing them.
He was six.
He was six.
Okay.
So genty was six.
And then sake one is the only other one in the top five.
Right.
Wasn't Leonard Frenette top four?
Oh, we'd have to go back.
Maybe I said too many years attached to that.
Maybe that's what that was.
At least since sake one was taken in 2018, we've had one taken in the top five, and that
was sake one.
And I believe three overall, but like the point remains, and then it's true.
And you're doing process, you don't see it often is the point.
And yet we've had more guys in recent years, we brought cautionary tale.
They took Trent Richardson.
They traded up with Minnesota to take him third overall.
And we brought up Jamir Gibbs.
We brought up Bijan.
We brought up guys that would take him in the top 15.
Like that does exist.
That is a thing.
But to get there for top five does take a lot for teams.
And I don't know.
I put it at 50, 50 right now that Jeremiah love exists at six overall for the Browns.
Now what I think will happen, I don't think the Browns would turn in the card.
And take Jeremiah love.
No, I don't think they will either.
I think they would trade out.
And I think that would be their one opportunity they could have to trade out.
And so I think they would take it.
And I think then we would just keep the conversation moving.
You know, I kind of feel like both downs in love would be what I would call luxury picks
for the Browns when it comes to roster building.
And they've never gotten to this point.
You know, they would need, you know, the reason why Caleb downs would make sense at six
is because we'll grant help it's in the final year is contract.
So there will be a decision that has to be made there and grant help it's certainly been
a fine player.
He's turned into a really fine player there in the secondary.
But that's where you're talking about that recycling your roster thing.
Okay, if you don't want to keep grant help it, now you slide in Caleb downs into that position.
And then this again, these are things that teams like the Packers and the Patriots and
the Eagles and the Ravens and the Steelers, right?
These are things that they do.
Okay, fine.
We don't have to pay all of our guys when they go to free agency.
Yeah, we let a guy walk.
We bring up the next kid that we drafted and developed like it's nothing to them.
And the Browns have never been able to get on that cycle when it comes to roster building.
Aside from the fact they can't find a quarterback, like they can't get to that point on their
roster building.
It's they have to overspend in free agency to bring in the talent that they missed
on in the draft to try and play catch up.
And then, you know, it's about filling specific holes in the draft because, well, that's
what they need to do rather than maybe taking the blue chip talent, the best player that's
available to you.
You got three really good players that were speculating potentially could be available
to the Browns there.
And like I said, I rank love is the best pure player there.
I rank downs as the second best player because I think both of those guys are game
changers.
Okay.
I think they both can be game changers.
And I think coach Rizword, by the way, and I think I talked to coach Riz, a lot of
time.
I've learned the game.
I think it can be a game changer as well, but I know as much about that, I will not
kill them.
They take car and LTA.
That's not going to happen.
But I don't know that he's the game changer that people think I said I think I didn't
say he is.
There's a difference.
I said that downs and love are game changers.
And I said, I think Tate potentially could be.
There's a difference there.
Okay.
There is a difference there where yes, but you were speaking in absolutes for a second
there.
All right.
And that's fine.
I don't need to, we don't need to do a thing about car and LTA.
And I just, I'm not as high on him as other people are.
I kind of made that known.
And it's not anything that car now Tate himself can control.
It's just if I think of him as more of a, if I think it was more of a T Higgins than
I think of him as anything else, that's not an insult to the guy that's still a very
productive football player.
I just don't think when I think T Higgins, I don't think game changer.
I think to Marchace game changer, I don't think of T Higgins as game changer.
I think of him as a very good football player.
Somebody had loved to have on your team, but I don't, I don't look at him as the, the
the bell of the ball.
But what I have done in recent weeks and what I've done in recent, I guess even months
is I've changed my perception of what I even need out of six overall.
If this draft isn't going to present itself as a very sexy draft, all things considered.
And yes, there are guys like Jeremiah Love that are good.
But overall, I think you have to look at number six this year is a little bit different
than what you typically see.
And so I, I maybe I don't need to fall in love with the player necessarily the same way
you typically would at six, but car now Tate just doesn't, he doesn't pass the smell test
for me, even in a weaker draft to be there at number six.
I think the best case scenario for Andrew Berry is all three of those players are available
at six.
And he, I mean, look, he's got the four sales sign on six.
He would, he, I believe once somebody to come up to six and he can slide down a couple
of spots.
My concern is, yeah, you slide down too far.
I don't want to slide down too far.
What's too far?
I would probably say, I think 12's too far unless you're getting a 20, 27 first rounder.
I just want to grab one of the offensive linemen or wide receivers at some point is that
the idea because like the three wide receivers we talked the most about between Tate, between
Tyson and lemon, like one of them is going to exist at 12, right?
And then even the offensive linemen we're discussing, I mean, I think Freelings going
to be there even potentially at 24, but like, yeah, I don't know that he's going to be
there at 24.
This is a, this is a top heavy tackle class they say, whereas with the receiver group,
it's a very good receiver class and the talent is comparable.
Sure.
But I'm telling you, I think Freelings was a reach to begin with anyway.
And I think Freelings shot up because of what happened at the combine.
I think that was a lot of smoke and mirrors.
I don't think, I don't believe in Freelings draft rise the way that everyone has said
it's existed for three weeks.
I also don't believe in the, if you can play right tackle, you can play left tackle
thing that Andrew Berry does.
He likes to do that.
I don't believe in it.
I just do not, I, I want a pure left tackle at that position.
I'm not looking for a project or a conversion or anything else.
I know it can be done.
I know it has been done, George Warhop is a fine offensive line coach.
I love that they brought him back.
I just personally would feel more comfortable with a pure left tackle rather than taking
a right tackle and training him to play left.
My point is I'm open to options here.
I have gone from being, telling everyone to be close minded as possible in this whole
entire exercise to now, if you're not taking 2026 series, I, I'm as open minded to this
discussion as you can possibly get.
And I, I don't know, Darryl, that I'll go Mason Graham on everyone like what they did
last year.
Yeah.
Where I listen, I was Mason Graham.
My favorite pick in the world.
No, felt like everybody got on board with it and it was what it was.
I, I don't know that I'm ready to say I'll do that.
Just wave the pom-poms at whatever they choose, but I don't have a hard time thinking of
a pick that they could make it six or I would be agitated with them.
Even I car now, Tate, I don't love car now, Tate, if they take him at six because they
think he's T Higgins, okay, right, I'm not going to light you up for it.
You took a wide receiver.
You took a wide receiver that you think will be on this roster and be productive with you
for the next half decade plus.
How do I get mad at that?
I really do think they're going to take a right tackle and, and try and train them on the
left side.
I don't know what type or it's like it's supposed to be a right tackle.
He's set to be a right tackle and you're going to throw them on the left side.
That would be disastrous if they did that.
I mean, look, they've brought in four offensive linemen this, this off season and we don't
know what positions they play because while they can play multiple positions, right?
We don't know.
We don't know if Elton Jenkins is your starting left tackle center or guard.
Right.
So you don't know.
Versatility.
They don't know.
To your point, versatility is something that they really, really believe in and prioritize
on that offensive line.
How do I know that because I looked and watched what they did during free agency leading
up to free agency, they brought in guys that can play multiple positions.
So I really think, no, they're not going to do what I want them to do, which I still
thinks is the right thing to do.
I really think that they're going to get a right tackle.
They're going to try and convert to left tackle and say, hey, we had a swing tackle.
It's a starter.
Can play either side wherever we need him to go.
That's where he can be because that, you know what?
We can say the same thing about the guards and, you know, that's just how they're doing
things.
JP, I fact checked you there as a senior research analyst.
Oh, I looked already.
You're good.
Yeah, you're good.
In the top six, you're good.
You're good.
You're good.
Oh, no, definitely.
The problem is I went back too many years.
I meant to say since 2018, and then we went, we went, we went, I trust, I already fact
checked myself there because you get credit for Leonard for net.
You get credit for Zeke as well, but then it's Trent Richardson in 2020 and 2012.
In the last 15 years, it's still not a high number by any stretch of the measure.
And it's definitely, you know, four in the last 10, in the last 10 drafts that we've
had.
I still can't believe we talked about Trent Richardson like he was the next Jim Brown
and they ultimately traded him for a first-drown pick with the calls.
I can't believe it.
That's been 15 years.
But here we are.
It's been a long 15 years you have.
