81- (video ) Hard Things Are Easier Than Real Life

0:00really sure when that is supposed to cross over, but listen, we're going to talk. Yeah. We're going to talk about ultra runner and life. Bam. That's not an ultra crude podcast. I'm your host John with me. There's always a fabulous me. And FJ, that's right. I'm here with the one and only Becca Mary Francis Joe. And we are going to talk about a lot of ultra running on this week's episode of the ultra crude podcast because we are ultra runners. That is our life. That is our mission. We are ultra running coaches. And, you know, we're just out here on the farm Franklin testing, how are the murder mile and the murder mile studios and, yeah, we're going to recap the week. Maybe talk about some popular topics, some controversial topics. If you will, if you have yet, and just what's happening. First, I'm going to give me a tasty, tasty drink this for us. Get your little step step looks cold, delicious and refreshing. That's definitely not cold. It's supposed in the cooler. It's in the cooler, but the cooler is not being queued anymore by any sort of

1:03cooling mechanism, cooling mechanisms. Now it is not warm. It is not hot, but it is not cute. No, it is about the temperature of a gently flowing spring creek. Spurns are usually pretty cold. Yeah. Well, not like, I mean, not like like maybe where it's a sunny spot or something out there. Like a chill. I mean, it's chill. You know, it's not quite quite cold. Plunge. That Chris. It's not cold plunge level. Okay. That's like that. This is going to cool you down on a hot summer day. Look, okay. Did you notice that cold plunges have gone by the way said? Yeah. It was really into that anymore. Yeah. And white till winter time comes around. Maybe people start again. That's the dumbest thing is to cold plunge in the winter. Then you're just showing off cold all day. Like a summer cold plunges were a tie. I mean, I'm just great. I don't know. I'm not sure. Are they just out of vogue? Is it all peptides and injecting from lots of us penises? I did. If you inject right now, it's for us penis, do you have to go plunge? Probably not.

2:03Probably not. You cold plunge there for a little bit. I did. I did enjoy the benefits of cold plunge. The cognitive benefits, the survival mechanism to somehow trying to at least don't mean in my system was enjoyable. Like you were in a good mood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Until I warmed up. Yeah. Like it was like, Hey, these are your last, your body thinks those are your last moments. It wants to go out happy. You know, I really enjoyed my time sitting out there wrapped in blankets. Well, you did that. Yeah. Experience it. Well, it's good and meditative practice. Yeah. Out and not comfortable. Yeah. No. I do a lot of things that are uncomfortable being cold ain't one of them. You know, I hate you. I just want to get one of them. Thank you for that. Nope. You can stick me in a sauna all day. I can do that. That's why this this whole studio is a sauna. It is quite frankly. It's pretty hot. I guess a little bit. A little bit. I ain't fall yet. Now I'm looking forward to fall.

3:04I'm over the bugs in the stupidness. I'm I hear you. I have been covered with just one itchy spot or rash or random bug by after another. Since we moved out here, I don't know what's going on. I usually don't hate this. But no, I like summer. Don't get me wrong. I like, but I think it's the sunshine for me. I just need the sunshine. I like sunshine. Yeah. I need the weather to not mirror my personality, but to oppose my personality. I need the weather to be bright and sunny because my disposition is often not. That's fair. I don't mind the heat honestly, but I'm over the bugs. I've had a mess with the bugs. Yeah. I've had enough. I got tore up my yellow jacket or something. Pop pop. That was a yellow jacket. Hit me. Yeah. I put the cord is on real quick, really helped. Good. So happy with that. Good, good. The stingy things typically have an adverse reaction to. Yeah, you get knots.

4:06Yes, it's probably is showing off. Those runners out of BFC are going to get lit up. I'm sure with all the yellow jackets and everything. Yeah, hey, quick tip. If you're going to barkly, fall classic, go ahead and go ahead and bring it up again. Yeah. Also, if you use an upper band, you need to seek medical attention immediately. Yes, do not go home. If you use an epic pen, you need to go to the hospital. Maybe the hospital. Yeah. FYI. So if you are not familiar with, it's not quite as safe as peptides. Good news. Yeah. So isn't that some shit like, hey, this is the thing that's going to save your life just so you know, is adrenaline and it could kill you. But this fake testosterone. Is it going to be awesome? Go ahead and use it every day. Did you see like a peptide commercial? Like, I made that. I made that. I mean, that realized I think the other day, a couple weeks or whatever. And so that's just in my brains. In my brains, I guess. Yeah, excited to see what all happens at the at BFC. So yeah, I mean, we're not going out.

5:06But you got several friends, lots of bars, lots of rattlesnakes. Very, very large D and F rate. Very, very low fit for count. That's what's going to happen. Yeah. I keep thinking one of these years, I'll go back. I have done it a couple times. There's so many people that run it now that too many. Yeah. And that those trails are just not not made for that. And considering the park has been closed for white symptoms. Well, not closed, but like it's not really. They've been doing a lot of work. Those trails have not had as much use as they normally would. So it's going to be. It's going to be rough. And not that I don't mind it, but I can do enough off trail things and pull shit around here. I'm all right. Well, I think there's a sort of aspect to it as well that you know, you're going to wait in line. Yes. It's like going to the amusement park of trail running. Yes. Yeah. Instead of the Twister drop demons park hole. It's the, it's a, it's a run. What you're going to run and then you're going to wait in line to continue.

6:08Run. Well, if he enforced the, you had to have at least done a 50 K trail race at some point, I think because the years that ran, that was not the case. And a lot of people chose that as like their first trail race for some fucking reason. And to the first year, I did not realize like you need to get out and get around those people because that's terrible thing. And this lady was walking downhill. There was like 30 of us behind her. She's walking down bird mountains like no, that's not how this works. So you need to get the fuck out of the way. Then the second time I knew better and I went out, then I had to go potty. And then I got back behind a bunch of slow people and yeah, it was not slow. Not slow. I said what I said, but I'm saying people who are not sure fitted on trail who moves like who were actually just pretty overwhelmed by the trail conditions. It was here. So I'm going to say, did you get behind people moving slowly? Yes. There we go. Is that better? That's better. Because that's not I mean, like, and so, but how about people who did not want to move along trails and acted like

7:11it was their first time on trails? And those are part of that. Listen, if the only barrier of entry is a 50 K, there's a lot of flat 50 Ks. I know that's what it is now. He didn't have any of that before. Well, there's still a lot of ground with that 50 Ks. Yeah. And that's what I think we. You know, I have this, this participation bias that whatever event of trail running you're into, like you think that's what it is. And we, because we're not really super in the flat trail 50 Ks, we kind of think, well, nobody would do that for 50 K. I mean, I see the appeal. And yeah, since we don't have friends that are in that group, we forget that there is an abundance like tunnel hill is huge yet he is huge. Like, you know, the races in the Midwest, they're very, they're very big. Lots of high participant counts. Yeah. That have a flatter flatter flatter wider courts. Yeah. So you're pulling from all these geographic areas. They don't have mountains.

8:11The first year that group that I got behind and that lady specifically, but it's heard several friends, they work from the Midwest. Yeah, there you go. See, I heard them talking and I was like, my God, then what if you don't? Because even if you run mountains or you're used to holy courses, frozen head is its own little beast for sure. It's a little thing. It's still going to kick you in the deck. Real dick. Yeah. Like I remember my first father, I was starting a mid-state mile, like group training, participant affiliation, association, like party boys. First of all, party boys would be a baller day for it, but it's a book series already. I would, I would probably name it the dead kickers. I like dick kickers. Well, you know, because I like that sort of, you know what it means. Yeah. You know what it means. You don't show up to that going as going to be a fun time. No, maybe that's what we'll call it. The mid-state mile training camp. Yeah. I like that better than your other name. That's probably fair.

9:12Maybe I'll just put dick kickers on the, on the, on the, on the shirt. Yeah. What would it, what would the top banana or chat G4 bring up as a mid-state mile dick kickers logo? I don't know, but I can't wait to see what you're going to find out. We're going to find out like that, that sounds fun. I can already see something in my head with like a, yeah. Yeah, I see it. Foot crotch. Yeah. I like it. It's gonna be fun. The, the dirt dick kickers, dick kick and dirt, dick kick and dirt boys. This is why we call it the ultra-proof podcast. Listen, I, uh, I don't know. I'm, I'm not an opera. That much old school class. You're right now. Uh, you have a bit. This is pretty empty tank on. I, you haven't been since, uh, Saturday's a long mile. She, before that, because I was down and out, by and by leading our future use, I looked at, uh, it was funny. I, I run this camp with, I don't run this camp.

10:13Hold up. Back up. That's not what you're an instructor. I've been an instructor on this, this particular week for, for past, past couple of years and I, I really enjoy doing it. It's a great opportunity through higher ground, uh, graduate purpose and they do a lot of amazing things through growth and development. And it is, it is definitely molded my life and, and shaped not only what it looks like, but what I'm capable of too. Like I, I learned a lot of lessons through working with them and how those, those people come together in it. It was really, it was a really great past couple of weeks. It's nice to be plugged back into that. It dawned on me as we were wrapping that it is, that is nice to be amongst, people that they've been doing this all summer because the main instructors would've been just, you know, they're young, they're in college or just out of college, you're, you know, they're working in coffee shops and doing this on the side and they're just kind of having a fun summer, honestly. Yeah, they're running backpacking trips and canoe trips and they're, you know, lean ropes courses and reccelling and rock climbing.

11:14They're, they're kind of living this, this life. And so it was nice to plug in, realize that I am 20 years old and all these people. And this is not my real job. But one of the teachers of the school, he asked me how it was going to last a minute. It's easy and he kind of looked at me because it's a really big day. It's a really big, long, hard days for us that this isn't a real life man. Like life is hard. And he'd like nod and he got his, you're out about that. So that was really fun. So he did that and then we then came back Friday and jumped right into the real world rolling out. Welcome to the Thunderdum. It's soon as I got back, we were in it. Rocking a roll and stuff to do. And my dick started getting kicked just from, from the word go right to the goodie bag. I know rest. There was zero, zero rest. But we did host the long mile this weekend. I think hopefully the first of at least a couple, long mile courses, course offerings, hopefully variations of that course.

12:16Yeah. Just kind of some different elements or different people groups. It's really interesting. This, you know, these individuals came together kind of as guinea pigs in a certain way to see if, you know, this concept work. And I know that inherently the concepts that I'm going to offer are going to work. Yeah. I doubt my ability to apply them sometimes. And there were things that didn't go the way I wanted them to go. So I don't like that. But the bones of it were very beneficial. Yeah. And I was very happy. I would kind of pivot the middle of it and make the right call at the exact right month to do so that the catch is the direction. So I was really happy with that. Some things with rights of things, but, you know, I'll think anything went wrong. But there's some things that I would like to like to shore up and do better on my part. Yeah. As a, as an instructor or course provider. So, but the long mile is fantastic. Yeah. Do you want to tell people a little bit about it? Some things that better left the mystery.

13:18I think you should probably give like a little bit. What would you give? You know, the timeframe, the concept concept is we use growth is the focus of what we do. And a personal and group growth, a little concept called growth through. Growth through endurance. And so there's, you know, an element to needing to provide opportunities to endure. And movement is, is kind of the first, first way to get there. And so I wanted to provide something that was very low barrier for entry as far as, you know, inhibitions and physical abilities and, you know, weariness. You know, the mountains are a great, great teacher and they're a great tool to use for these concepts. And if I had my brothers, then that's where I would go. Yeah. Because it's just such a great, great backdrop for teaching growth and interpersonal development and team building.

14:18And it's just kind of all right there. But the mountains are farther away from free contests. So you then I would like them to be. And so that in itself becomes a barrier for entry. Are you willing to spend more time, money and resources to get to where we can begin to unpack and work on some of this stuff? Okay. Not everybody is. Yeah. So all right. What can we do? Well, if we kind of condense it into this 12 hour time frame, then we can begin to play with some of that. You know, we don't have, and then, and then just amount of themselves. Like now your ability to walk up a mountain or not is going to be a barrier for entry. Now we can, we can get there with, with, with low fitness and we can do that. That's going to be challenging, but we're going to have to alter around. Maybe you're not capable of covering, you know, 15 or 30 miles. Over one day or two days or three days, you just don't have that physical ability. So now we're talking about, all right, well, how many, how many miles can we cover? And so the disparity of fitness becomes much more important.

15:22Yeah. You know, you can't pair somebody that can only hike one mile an hour or something. It's got to hike three miles an hour, four miles an hour. Yeah. They're going to have completely different experiences. So you want to even that plane field as much as you can. So we're very fortunate here on the Big E's fork to be blessed with very isolated pathways and country roads that are quite pleasurable and scenic. And so that was, that became the, the focus or at least the medium of what we were going to bring this long mile together. We're going to head out after sunset and our plan is to arrive back at sunrise. And I told the group, we do this right. We're going to leave with just the smallest little sliver of light in the, in the sky. And then when we come back, they're just going to be the tightest little sliver daylight and further, we got there about 90% got that back just right on time. And so the timing of it worked out really well. Our road map had worked out really well of how we needed to do that. Was very, very pleased. And I think the course offers something for absolutely everybody, regardless of your goals,

16:27going into it and your physical ability going into it. You know, if we had a, the more physically matched the group is, there's, there's more you can do in push and pull on. Yeah. So that is something to take in consideration. Somebody asked me like, Hey, how do you get you? I said, well, it took the first, you know, I had 10 spots. And so I took the first 10 people. Yeah. If, if I had received, you know, 40 or 50, then we're going to start to do, do some different things. If I have one course, that's hard. Like this is the weekend. I'm probably still going to take those 10 spots. But maybe I look at the group at large and say, all right, these, these group of people are going to match up really nicely. We can, we can kind of push on these things with them. And then this group of people is going to match up really nicely. And we can kind of pull in this direction over here. Yeah. And begin to match them in that way. And since I have this much interest, I'm going to open up another weekend. Yeah. And for me, I just like, all right, good. Of course, full close to gate. That's pretty much what we did. And we had a, you know, we had a couple more interests.

17:28Yeah. One of them said there is more interest than than the 10 that showed up. But again, after, after got full close to gates, people knocked on the door, said, are you open? I said, no, thank you. I'm good. Yeah. I think it would be interesting to once wintertime rolls around because you did have great weather. It's absolutely phenomenal. Whether beautiful sunrise, the, the fields were incredible. It was really gorgeous out there. Yeah. It was perfect. But being able to maybe push that mileage from sunset to sunrise in the winter time when we have more. It's going to be a longer. That which we have different routes and things that we can do, that, that is the beauty of this is some of the things will be the same, but there's some different things that we can add in different roots. And based on different skill level, I like to maybe do a couple of night runs or something, utilizing some of those things rather than do whatever you want to do. But the only thing that you want to set up and leave you just, when you just go right ahead. I will. I got you know, whatever. I think yes, there are other offerings.

18:31There are other things we can do in the more of a lazy kind of disinterested person to just, you know, say this is a program that fit today. And so this is what everybody else has got here too. Yeah. So you got to, you got to constantly evaluate and tweak and change, you know, just because something works. Doesn't mean it's always going to work. And so even in the midst of it, I'm trying to figure this out and working the job on the fly. I enjoyed it though. I enjoyed it. It was really. It was really. And we had several people gone to further state ever been that was incredible. I mean, which is the other really, you know, for me, the other really great thing about, kind of what leads you to like, hey, gone to the wilderness, go on the backcountry. It's that you don't have to do anything else genuine. Like it's going to provide everything you need it to if you're sharp enough as an instructor to pick up on what's happening with group dynamics and individuals and then pull it out. Like you, you don't have to make people do burpees or yell at them.

19:33Like you just have to let, you know, if you designed a good course and you knew where you're going, where you're heading, like you just got to let it work. Yeah, you got to work it, but you don't have to make it harder than it is. Like you've done that, you've done the headwork to say, hey, this is, this is my concept. And this is the area I want to go into. Trust trust that that was right, laying into it, lean into your gifts and abilities as instructor and, you know, if you get back and went, oh, that was that was a disaster. Well, then then you do the homework. You don't have to make people, like I said, I, you said, you don't have to make people do burpees at one o'clock in the morning, just because what you designed was an art form. Like it's an, it's just an example of jealousy calm down. Okay. I'm saying this is the benefit of nature. Yeah. No, as you let nature work. Yeah. And you work within it. Yeah. Even for those that are physically fit and not challenged by that oftentimes,

20:33especially as like specifically for all to runners, you are not moving in a non-race format for 12 hours through the night, you know, or having to move along with other people. You go out, you do your own pace and then you're not having to move as a group. And I found it's for a lot of people who are a bit or strong, having to slow down and do someone else's pace is oftentimes very challenging. Yeah, it is difficult. 100% and that was a really key element too. We, we, we host races and we do those things, but wanted to offer something that wasn't in a race format. Yes. That didn't have the, the goal or the intrinsic nature of finish line. And I didn't tell anybody where the finish line was. It didn't tell anybody where the aid stations were, the checkpoints were anything like that. That element of, hey, we're going to go out here and this is kind of what we're going to do. We're going to work through it and enjoy it to the extent that we can. Oh, man, I, I listen, JB was out there. And this dude walked all night staring at the starts.

21:33I love it. It was a clear sky. And every time I looked at him, he was just staring, staring into the night sky. And it was fantastic. So there's, there's other benefit, just the beauty and solace of being in nature. It provides a safe environment to be it where you don't have to worry about, you know, trying to get an overnight run or movement over here or there. It does a lot of different things. Yeah. It's a lot of good time on feet. Good time on feet. My cats are so early today. I tell you what I look at this morning. I was like, how gracious. I'm okay. I was just so this guy was beautiful. It was clear. It's so many stars. It, it really was. And, you know, to be, we did a lot of this one was mostly road. Or all right. And, you know, it's nice because you don't have to think so much about where you want as much as I love, because you're still out in nature. But it was, I was very jealous of those out on because the road, you don't have to watch every single step. You can turn your headline popping. I never turn my headline on. Yeah. Like you can just go and that's, yeah.

22:36Most, most people did not wear a headline, which is so nice. Yeah. So that's, that's the other thing is, is you can really kind of seek yourself into the darkness in the nature around you. A lot of people used a red light headlamp. I used red light hand headlamp a bit, but there was a lot of times. I was just, just cruising. Yeah. As much as I love running through the woods at night, you know, you get sucked into only what your headlight can see. And you can't not engage because like you can't shut your brain off because there's rocks and roots and there's other things going on that you have to pay attention to. And if you stop paying attention and decide you want to look at stars for 12 hours, you know, you're going to end up flying on your face. So, but in this setting that you want to come out and walk and just look at the stars. Come along my house. We might get another one in in this year yet. I think we should know. I don't know. I think timeframe probably points towards December, which then we're talking a little bit long tonight. It's about, it's about 15 hours of darkness in December. So probably just a bit.

23:39The timeline. I don't know. I think, you know, this can be some good. All right. Well, you just go ahead and do whatever you know. If you're going to offer up design and offer an instructor course, then I will not, not stop you. That's your day. Okay. There we go. That's what the, but it was, it was fantastic. And then back to the real world. Just as soon as I woke up from an app on Sunday. Yeah. And that Sunday was the like, you know, there is this. There's this idea floating, floating out there that it's everybody's, you know, everybody uses it super popular that you do hard things so that you're, I don't know. So that your life is better, so that you're better, so that you're taking a little of doing hard things so that, you know, you can respond to the challenges that come your way. You know, if you could run farther, you're a better husband, I guess. I don't know. That doesn't make any sense to me. And there is, there is some substance and a line truth to that if you can go out

24:40and do something hard that challenges you, that pushes you, then you will be able to use some of those, those tools, abilities or lessons in everyday life. That requires a very disciplined focus to have that it requires, you know, some insightful mentorship, some deliberate instruction to say, Hey, this, this was hard and challenging. Yeah. The reason that this was hard and challenging is because it mirrors this thing over here in life that you can't avoid. Yeah. So if you can practice it here, then when it comes to you when you don't have an option to check in or out of it, then maybe you've experienced some of that emotion and response. Yeah. So that you can choose to do the right thing. That is very deliberate. You've got to have a deliberate, first of all, purposeful mentor, instructor or course

25:43that teaches those things, that unpacking that transfer. To just go out and do something hard does not make you any better at Monday morning. It does not make Monday morning any easier for you. There are a lot of cases where it will make Monday morning much harder for you because then you became accustomed to operating in a certain way that was a move forward at all cost mentality that is now self destructive to on Monday and community destructive, by the way, because not everybody's going to march to the beat of your drop. So that's it. That's a trap and pitfall in that. I will say that walking all night was much easier than something because I firmly believe that there are that the hard things that you do, the quote unquote, things that you do to suffer are much easier than real life. Just like the headmaster in the teacher, it was a hard day. It was a long, hard, physically demanding day.

26:44That was easy. Like that day was easier than than today. And today's been pretty, you know, it's been pretty easy, but it has all these life elements to it. Yeah, you know, get up, go to work traffic, things like that. So yeah, walking all night was much easier than Sunday afternoon meals, 100 full. So I think we're doing a bit of a disservice to ourselves. We're doing a bit of lying to ourselves when we're saying, hey, you go out and you know, run fast, jump high because it's going to make your Monday better. And reality, the run fast, jump high are the things that you want to do. Those are the easy things for you to do. That is what you would rather be doing. You're getting some level of dopamine and return from that, from that feeling of soreness in your muscles and your bones, from the grid on your face and the dirt on your underneath your fingernails, you know, like it's so you're sort of lying to yourself.

27:49And then now we're just lying to everyone around us. Right now. So not shit. Yeah, but walking all I will begin walking right now. If it means that I don't have to do anything else tomorrow. Yeah. Like I can just check out of tomorrow. Like I don't have to do any of the conversations. I have to do the headaches. I'll have to do with any working. I don't have to do. Sign me up. Like we're good. Like this is easy. You all have to do is move, take snackies, drink, drink waters. Oh, it's raining. Like pretty easy. Yeah. Like wearing a hundred miles is hard to do. It's hard to do, but it's easier than life. It's easier than a typical Tuesday. It just is. It just is. It's just easier. And if it's not, then either you're looking in this delusion of your life for and then you just wanted to fortunate day. Nothing wrong with that. They none of all that, but I would, I would bet that you're, there's some delusion going on around there somewhere.

28:49There's some things that you are not dealing with. Yeah, that you are lying to yourself that you are by doing something. And some people are doing doing hard things simply to escape their life, which is not good. Either Sunday was today. It was a day. It was a day. So sure was. And you know what the great thing about Sunday being a day was, oh, you saw it today. No, I know that days coming back. Yeah, it is. What? Yeah, you got to finish what you started. Like there's, there's other Sundays on the horizon. Yeah, like Sunday, no, fun day. So, you know, we just got to be real careful. We got real cognizant one. One we sign up to do these things that were genuinely pulling some benefit out that we're not fooling ourselves at doing these things is going to make us better. And that if we're listening, if we're doing these things, because the hard, the hard you choose is, is, is always going to be easier than the hard that comes at you in life. I don't know why we think, you know, somehow going to make us magically better.

29:52Doesn't make you better unless you process it and you really pull out and look at everything and why, why are the processes and the way you are? Why do you feel the way you feel? Why, why is this easier than your day to day? And also, how can you take the lessons that you learned and then translate those in a positive light to your life? Because I think that there are a lot of people that walk away from doing hard things. They go, you know, when I did this past weekend and they do, and they expect everyone to operate on their level. And I do think that that is community destructive. Because do I think that you can bring the positives into a work environment? Yes. But I think that there's also a lot of people that they then go, I'm better than everyone here because I do hard things because I do this. Salic never gets through my Saturday. Yeah. You have people to bring a lot of that toxic attitude. Yeah, a lot of that's a very bad whole Maya. If I warm up, it's harder than your workout. Yeah. It's a lot of that energy. Yeah. That which that's just people jerking themselves off. Like, you know, no one takes inspiration from that.

30:56And everyone's living on a different level and you don't, you know, know what someone else is going through. So, you know, I think it is very easy to walk away with a puffed up ego or, you know, big ego puffed out chest and say, these people are lazy and to put others down to elevate yourself because you did do something hard and you did do something that transformed you. And that's amazing. But what else do you take the good parts and you find a way to uplift those around you and encourage them and not to just count with their doing because you know what, the way some people show up, it may turn people off from doing stuff because they're like, if it means I have to be that way and have that attitude, I don't, I don't want to be around people like that. I don't want to be in that. And, you know, we don't see it in trail running as much, but you see it a lot in road running. You know, people come to trail running from road running. They're like, everybody's so friendly. Bumble, bumble, bumble, bumble. You know, people aren't just staring at their watches or not talking to you.

31:57Like people want to hang out and eat snacks at your hand like a little, you know, donkey or something. You know, like here, do I share my snacks with you? And in road running, you know, you don't have a lot of that camaraderie. But if my first experience with runners was a road race, I was like, kind of a very serious marathon or something. I don't know that I would have the love that I would be like, you people suck. Not knocking on road runners, but the, I think we can all collectively say, they're two different vibes. And if you're given someone a vibe of like, I'm better than you because I do these things and because I work out because I clean and you're a piece of shit. Like, man. You cast a clokey. Yeah, like don't be like that girl. Yeah, whatever it is, you know, like encourage people, let, let who you are also be encouraging not just what you are capable of. You know, those two things should go hand in hand.

32:58Man, I was thinking about that. There are just some people that like you, you when they, when they talk, you hear their, their genuous genuineness and their, their kindness. But you know, we should have that. You know, and I do like, there's, there's a lot of part like I wish they came across is kind is, is maybe I want to be our, here are other people being. I'm not willing to fake, fake it. I know that I am not an extraordinarily kind individual. I also know that I care quite a lot. You do care. I'm, I'm extraordinarily caring. And that's part of the reason why, you know, the log myelosis because I care about people and their, their, their growth and development. I want to offer that up to them and a little, very little barrier for entry. But I am not, not going to pretend that, that I am more, more kind that I am caring because something will hit you with a lot of kindness. And they're not caring behind it. You know what I mean? Like they want, they weigh, well, no, not so much that it's fake is just that

34:01they're more, they're more apt to wave and smile and, and say, have a great day. And that's just kindness. But I'm much more apt to be like, Hey, like, let's seem like you're having a great day. What's going on? Yeah, what's up? How's life? Yes. I'm, you know, like that's because I care about the day you're having. Yeah. You look like you're carrying away today on unpack it. But I'm not going to solicit it in this, this fake, fake voice that I don't have. You know, you're, you're kind of like, she cares a lot less. I'm not very nice, but I am kind and yes, and generally. Not that I care less. It's just so. Yeah. I'm, you know, well, I've always really shared about people. I think I was found out I was unpacking that earlier. It's just got me thinking I've cared about people so much. And I've, I've saw avenues to care about them. And a lot of times that that kindness component. Is a non-negotiable.

35:02And so it's kind of a slid to a tumultuous sort of being because it's not, not for everybody. I, you know, I'm pretty truthful. It's funny. One of the, one of the moments on, on this, this long while somebody has struggled on. And I said, normally what I would tell people is that you are doing as well as you think you are. And they, they took it in stride. I think I don't know what you're being. And it was the first time I really had the opportunity to break it down, which is the other benefit of this style, not having a race is because we, we dove into it. And so well, if you think you were doing this, blah, blah, blah, based on this, then you are percent. But if you think you're doing is not always super well received. And you're doing great. Good job, which is very kind, but I don't know if you're doing great. I know you say that. And I don't know if you're doing a good job. It's always funny to watch people's faces when they hear what you say when you say, you're doing as well as you think you are or people you know are proud of you.

36:03People, people they know are, are proud of them. I know 100% know that. I don't know what my mouth is. I'm proud. Like I don't, I do not know you. I'm not proud of you. And even if I was proud of you, you should not care because you do not. It's fair. That's fair. You should not be seeking someone else's validation. I'm just some, yeah, I'm just a stranger, you know, with a milkshake. Why do you care my opinion? Yeah. I mean, that's fair. So if I can say something truthful, then it's always going to be truthful. So, hmm, you got to go. Oh, that's just think about Georgia Joel, but kind of going through, you know, there's some things that have popped up in my memories and stuff and, you know, higher ground. Yeah. We both instructed that year before I did my six-year mile route across Tennessee. That's thinking about that. And that was that. Well, and some of the memory stuff of like me talking about it before and stuff's come up. So I was flipping through some of the pictures and going through and I think actually uploaded a video of Mars at like mile 180 or something. And it was just, I was just doing some reflecting on like the years of running

37:08and where we've gone and just kind of how different this past year has looked. That which is, okay, finally, it's a motivation back. I actually think I might start 75th part again. I've been kicking that around the past couple days. So. But yeah, it's thinking just. It's going to be weird to not like be out at Georgia Joel. We've been there the past like seven years and we still may ride down on Saturday or something, but we're not running or not crewing or pacing or volunteering. We're not necessarily there in some fashion. And I'm sure they still need volunteers and we could. It would have to be a really good scenario for us to be a door to the shoe. Yes. Not that, and it's tough because there's. Just feel pulled in that direction. Yeah. But I do. It's not making a lot. And I guess that was like one of the things that I was thinking on is like, I love our trail and alternate community. And I love seeing some of those people that I don't get to see. And I love being there for the bakers and, you know, I just I genuinely do.

38:13And this past year with everything and all the changes and stuff that's gone on it, it's I've missed a lot of that community and doing those things that, which is another reason why I really enjoyed the long while, even though I wasn't out there with you guys, like being able to go out there and see you in the middle of the night and see you guys and be back there in the morning. Like taste of it. Yeah. Like I miss those things. And then I was, you know, thinking about just the kindness of all of our friends when I did that race or not race, the run across Tennessee, like how many people drove hours or, you know, whatever, just to come out and run and you cart and everybody back and forth, they keep everyone up there and chat like we didn't hardly know. Chet jump in is like doing this. Yeah. I mean, he came up from Joe. It did. And for like three days. Yeah. Three days. Or maybe. Yeah. I think he was in charge for three days. I think he was with us four days because he caught on like, Chet replaced me excited to work. Yeah. So we got back to national outdoor.

39:13Chet, Chet jumped in and he had a sole responsibility for at least two days. Yeah. That was you did amazing. Yeah. So yeah, I was just thinking on that experience and everything I felt out there and like going through some of the pictures and videos and, you know, how, let me think a little bit how we do these incredible things and, you know, people watch or follow along and then the clock just keeps moving. You know, the calendar just keeps. He's a little bit and I can't believe that was like two years ago. Yeah. It's a. We got to we got to capture some of the back. Yeah. Yeah. We got to get a little bit more of us on the calendar. We do. And I got it made me think of that like missing that. And it's a solid reminder that it's it is September. Yep. And so you're you're 2027 goals. You're going to get here really quick. You know, I've got three dates on my calendar. I've got three dates, three personal dates on my calendar already.

40:14We have somebody else date on our calendar already for 2027. So we know we got girl, Jolong there. Oh, you know what? And so it's planned to be. It's already filling up. But now it's a time to to start thinking about those things as we enter this last quarter or 26. Like we're going to blank in this. Going to be Christmas. Yeah. I don't want to squeeze in a couple of fun things for 2026. You know, I was thinking about 2027 maybe given a a run at this 400 mile route that crossed Alabama. I know you don't like that. That that was puttin' in together in the car when we were coming back from where we're coming from. I mean, I think I would probably do it during a silence if anyone if anyone wanted to join. I'm not going to be off. Yeah, I mean, because that that would be the intention of it. Anyways, and maybe put together some of these. Just do a journey run. Yeah. Just just join one. Just go do another journey run. Like, you know, has to come up with your own.

41:15I. Weird thing. I think it would be really cool. So why don't you journey run through Tennessee? They just leave from the house. Like, hey, if I wanted to get from my house to somewhere out of the Ohio river. I would start somewhere. Like, I would, I mean, I think I would probably start at like the Tumblr or Tensure. Like, I would want to start somewhere other than just. That's fine. I'll try to get out to. Yeah. That seems seems foolish. Yeah, you can run downtown from here. But yeah, whatever you're lazy. I'm going to drop you off. I just. I love the idea of setting out all that and doing. You do love it. Yeah, I do love an idea. You do love an idea. I do. Is going to take your chickens while you're on. So I get to. So. I think she. She ain't. She's. Well, you're going to stay here because you're good. Drop it. I'm not taking care of chickens. So. They're buying a little jeeps. I think you're. 100%. I can do.

42:16Perfect. Yeah, so your chickens are going to sound like. No, they're going to start. Hey, by the way, I went to the store and I got blue tablecloths. Yeah. Where did the white tablecloths come from? They were blue. Them's is white up there. They're white in the picture. No, they're like blue. They're very light pastel blue. Really? Yes. I was looking at them pictures this morning. I was like, that's white tablecloths. No, it's probably the white table like coming through. Like I can't believe that I want out to get tablecloths. And I got blue ones. Yeah, you got one and I put the blue ones on the table. And then she just went out and got white ones. Now and driving more. I was done with the drive. Importion. So well, listen, I have a public service announcement to make for everyone on the. Okay, go ahead. Your poop is your responsibility. Yes.

43:17I think also I was going to get a bad rap. And this came up in casual conversation this morning. All for honors. You don't have time to reverse somebody out there with the just dukely shirts and his grass bags. But we all know what happened. I am saying to you that your poops are your responsibility. Like your parents put a lot of time effort and emotional attachment into teaching you how to use a bathroom at a young age. And I'm going to guess that you learn how to use a bathroom at a young age. And I'm just going to say it. I think all for honors are probably the best at taking care of their poops. Now there's some there's some misgynics. There's some loose poopers out there. There's some loose poopers. There's some I'm not getting off the trail poopers. There's some inappropriate place in time poopers. There's some poopers that don't care if anybody sees them pooping. I've had my own. You know moments. But I tell you what I didn't do is I didn't put it in the middle of the course and just go up.

44:17Be all right. Because there's man of honors out there road runners five carers. These speed demons out there just letting it loose. What about those? Because they're all slow built. This is all leading. You know, letting it let it out because their race is going to be over 20 minutes. They're going to PR. They got a win. And if they, you know, start squeeze modeling because they had an urgency. They're going to lose. And I understand that. Hey, I must say that's not cool at all. And then there's the you know, this is a big issue in the track. Or the indoors. The 24 hours, the six days that whatever people are chasing records and they're running around, running around and trying to and and and defecating. Yeah. Doing poops. And I'm going to say you can't kick poop with people. No, you can say down your like we know where the poop starts. The poop is is you know, it's it's holding the gravity. And so if your feet are running,

45:19they're flicking things off the back of it. Yeah. And so the whatever is dripped down there is going to get kicked. Yeah. And so I'm going to say that's not cool. That's not cool at all. And I will I will propose that there's big difference between outdoor poops and indoor poops. There's a there. If the dog poops outside, you're like, all right, dog pooped outside. The dog poops in the living room, you go, I'm cleaning that up. Because you don't you just don't let poops go. And some people out there, but like, yeah, that's fine. There's poops. But for the most part, by large, we as a society have come to at least acknowledge the difference between inside poops and outside poops. Yeah. So there's there's a difference between those two. Yeah, there's. And I will say that it must be a horrible, horrible situation to be at a premiere of that. To have your hopes and dreams in the palm of your hand and have a a disruption to that.

46:22To have a a grumbling deep within your tumtons. It's a real shit. But should you have an accident? Then your immediate course of action should be to stop what you're doing. Stop what you're doing. Change your bridges and then clean up the area of which you messed. Not to continue. That is completely and utterly unacceptable as a human being. As a human and productive polite society. That is unacceptable. I do not care. I do not care how important the event was. I do not care how prestige the athlete was. I do not feel bad for this individual. Somebody asked me, oh, I feel so bad for us. I don't feel bad for at all. None. None of my feelings are bad for her because there was a a cognizant and purposeful decision

47:23to say that my coops are somebody else's responsibility. I don't care about anyone else here. I care about myself in my performance. And that is the most egotistical, selfish, self-absorbed thing that anyone could possibly do is to say not only is somebody else going to have to clean up all of my poops all over this gym arena area that I'm just going to spread my poops out of every I don't care about any of the other participants. They're just going to have to do. Deal and lay in my in my poops. They're going to have to run through lay in touch. Poops the things that I've got poop on. They're going to have to get my poop on. That is that is the most absurd notion. I think I could possibly ponder. What do you mean I feel bad for that? I don't feel bad at all. I feel bad for everybody else and had this person went and clenched it and ran to the bathroom and then you know, it pulsed interview. They say hey you you urgently move to a restroom in the middle of your wall balls. What happened?

48:23It is that I had emergency. I had to sacrifice my score because I wasn't going to poop everywhere. And everybody could go, oh man, that's really that's really terrible. I don't know how that's not the response. And I read the statement of Hierox, but it was it was it was it was it was grainy and double-worded is most ridiculous thing. I've ever said when you were evaluating our procedures and the block. Yeah, if you forget yourself get off the fucking floor. Like that's not a hard concept. There's no fucking procedure. If you need to wipe your ass, proceed to the bathroom. Like, this is an indoor bit. How is this a conversation? It's not it's not. It's not they probably just didn't say it coming. It belongs on it. There's poop everywhere. Yeah, I don't know how you're not in the next procedure. Hey, I mean to be particular, but there's poop all over the site. Assault bike seat. Can I get it? What now? It's chlorox. And then who's going to go, oh, there's poop over here. Let me clean this up. I want to relax here and then just keep pushing.

49:25There's pictures. So the photographer saw it and did nothing. Nothing. What do you mean? There's not an official that goes, whoa. Stop. Hey, to do this to you, but you're covering him. Toops. Yeah, I'm a stop on the event. If you can be the most ridiculous thing. I'm dinged for like not like doing something exact. You should be. You didn't touch this line. It's absurd, but it's okay. You can change your pain. Yes, yes, yes, yes. You missed full extension on that by nearly a quarter of a semi. No rep. Yeah. And this person's running around covered in diarrhea. That's fine. I'll allow it. Yeah, no, no, no, no, actually we're all giving that. We encourage the poops. Well, this is we like it. We like the poops. And this is not for nothing. This is the sort of nonsense that can just completely denigrating that I'm ruined at a brand's reputation of letting it slide. Yeah, like you know who's not letting anything slide.

50:26Your boy Scott Jurek. No. The memes are true. Camille Heron has an only fans. Oh, that's not. I just I mean since we were talking nonsense and it's been so far. I think you're right. Yeah, I think they've been up for like a week now. I found it on only fans. She has an only facial. I'm not on it, but I went to like to see if it's true. And when I listen to the adult show, when I, I should have it. We should have a warning to top of the show that this is not first. Small news. Listen, I chat GPT and Google it last week. Life first saw the memes and I and it was like, no, not true. And I tried to find it when it's fucking on there. Like unless some and maybe someone just created a page of up there. They're like, that could happen. But it has posts. It has posts and things. And she's talking about her sexuality. And then her her hot wife post, you don't want to hot like, like you're not cuckolding, but like you're letting the other dudes. That's the definition pretty close. Well, he's not watching, but he knows she's like engaging in that.

51:26But he's not in the court. Cuckolding is in the corner. I don't know how they have to be in the chair. I think knowledge is enough. Either way. In actually according to the office, I don't think you even have to have knowledge. Listen, the word it does make an office reference. Well, it was Dwight or Andrew. I think it was Andrew. Andrew got cuckolded. I just I like to put as many things as I possibly can. In reference to the office. It helps me deal in depth. Yeah. So for anyone who's wondering, fucking memes are true. I get out the Madonna air and listen, I I feel like we are watching the equivalent, like Britney Spears equivalent in the Elterrani world. Like there was the Wikipedia thing with her editing or her husband. Sorry. Editing Corvay to Walter's. I got to be asked in a lot of recent events.

52:27I'm going to say that maybe her husband didn't do it. Then maybe he's just the fall guy. She might be the fall guy. He's the guy in the corner. Sounds like he doesn't have a lot of power in the flesh. But in her only fans think hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no. It says five time world. Like she is. Well, maybe you got to wrap the stats. There's a reason. I get people will tap in. I don't. I don't want to have it. I got news. But yeah, training, racing, nutrition, strength, mental prep, educational content, insights, questions, and answers. Candid behind the scenes moments and adventures. So maybe shower adventures. It would like to see that. Neck and neck. A one of the things. Relationships, sexuality, whole human well being. I don't think you need. Hey, premium pay-per-view 18 and plus content. Custom requests welcome DM for availability and pricing live stream and one-on-one creators. It's my Madonna era. Let the magic come out. 18 plus Camille.

53:27Well, listen, I am going to end the show here. By the way, she's one of the people that pooped down her like. And you're. Dolan or World or whatever. So if you think that's. Listen, maybe maybe you're out here and this was just the perfect week for you. It was it was a full weekend that this is sort of your this is kind of your thing. I pray for you. I'm not probably going to pray for you. I don't think you can be ill. I just I just like I thought the names were going to be like I don't like. The information I've received today. I don't like it. This is not the kind of life I want to live. I want to lift up people. I want to grow. Then I want to I want to just be I want. To elevate. I like the word elevate. I just think that there's opportunity to. Strengthen and encourage and grow and move. And I think movement is the best avenue for it. And so I want to facilitate those types of.

54:29Relationships and opportunities and events for people. That's what I want to do. So I'm going to continue moving in that direction. I think there is there is an opportunity for people to realize not only. That there is room for them to grow, but there's room for them to grow. Like there is room for growth in your life. Meaning that you are not perfect. You have not have it all figured out that you have not reached your ceiling. And that there's also like room for it. You were there's time and space for you to do these things. You don't have to wake up. That 5 a.m. to do it. You know, first of all, 5 a.m. club is. Tell everybody what 5 a.m. That's first. So and you know, the long mile is that space. Hopefully most of your Saturday duties are done and finished. You can kind of eat an early dinner with a family. You can get out here with the farm. We can do this. We're going to feed you breakfast. You can go home. You know, life of kids might not even be up yet.

55:30Taking a quick nap and you're good to go by near the rest of the day. So that's the goal of the long mile is to not take any think further from from your life than we need to to introduce elements of growth and then shine some lights that there's there's areas to grow in as well. So that's the message for today. We appreciate you listening to this week's episode of the Altitude Podcast. If this is sort of thing that you enjoy, then we appreciate the likes and the follows and shares. If you'd like to leave a review or comment, you know how podcasts work, whatever it's the same. I just think it's really going to change the environment around those books. I next. Sleepfeats never going to be the same again. That's all. I, I did not go to an event like in an island or to snow. That's why here worship is bad. So don't do it. All right. See you next time. That's a good podcast.