Adam Sosnick - The Michael Sartain Podcast

0:00Welcome back guys. My guest today, you guys know he's a good friend of mine. I mentioned him all the time on the show. I love it because he's part of the moderate group of guys that I mentioned sometimes. He's a money strategist. He's a synergist. He's a connector. He is also a co-host on the PVD podcast. Please welcome back Adam Saasnik to the show. How you doing, man? Thank you, Michael Sartain for having me. Of course. It's been forever since I've seen you since last night. It's last night. Exactly. Do you understand my point when I talk about Miami and Vegas? Vegas is just easier. Well, it's easier for Michael Sartain. I mean, I wouldn't say it's easier for a random schmo, but yeah, well, you're sitting on stage at some nightclub last night with DJ Eric. That wasn't you? I just want to go a couple things. I'm doing the research and we talked about this briefly before, but like the impact your dad had. Your dad's story is really

1:05interesting. And I was just wondering if you could go over like how he affected you. Your father was hiring handicapped individuals. This was back in what city? Back in the 80s. Yeah, so can you talk about that? Like the influence that he has? So everybody has like their their come-up story, their background story. My dad's from Detroit, my mom's from Minneapolis. So they're good miss Midwestern folks. They moved to Miami in the 70s. And I was always like the weird random cousin who lived in Miami. Miami wasn't cool in the 80s and 90s. It's like Miami vice showed up till Will Smith did that video comment to Miami in the needle. I was like, oh, you hear my amy, bro. So my father was born with cerebral palsy. So if you've ever seen Forrest Gump, he was like Forrest Gump when he had the braces on his legs. Yeah, but smart. Yeah. So imagine like a smart Forrest Gump that had clearly physical limitations. And his his story was he grew up in Detroit.

2:08So still during segregation, civil rights. He would tell me that he signs no blacks, no Jews, no dogs. And I was like, all right, that's an interesting order. And the thing with him is my mind. He was a big guy bigger than me. You're you know, you're legit six one big guy. He was about six two six three big guy athletic, but also awkward. Yeah, right? Like he would have been the original euro, you know, to the basket. And my grandmother to his benefit, but to my dismay, she said when people, you know, make fun of you get in your face, you know, you should do, just punch him right in the mouth. And I saw that and and experienced that first hand. At the same time, I grew up in like a very loving, traditional home with my mom, my sister, my dad, but my dad had a switch that, you know, I'm a comedian. I make fun. I have fun. So I'd catch a man's weapons. And then sometimes, you know, my dad's no longer with us. So there's no like retroactive legal ramifications, but some of my friends would catch a man's weapons.

3:13So I was like, am I the weird one? Is my dad? It's like my friends with, you know, gather at the door like, it's your dad, bro. Yeah. But you know, a lot of people look at their dad. These are my dad's my hero. My dad's my hero. My dad was the villain in my story, but it taught me how to be tough, taught me how to react quickly. It taught me work ethic. As much as I want to like, oh, my dad was tough on me. They're like, being tough on a kid is not so bad. It gives you resilience. It gives you persistence. It makes you get up and and fight back. But my father was a great salesman. He would always say like, on the best sales guy around, the best sales guy around. He did some questionable things in business. But one of the things that was actually proud of, he started a flyer delivery business called Come Fly With Us. And he would only hire handicapped individuals. Yeah. And that's great for those people. And can you imagine the family dinner table with me, my sister, my mom, my dad, and four mentally challenged onwards

4:21at the dinner table. You know, one guy's eating ketchup packets, one guy's dying his shoe, so the other shoe, like, I can't even deal with this. But my father taught me a lot of humility, being nice to people. But also, you don't have to always be nice. Yeah. A lot of people are scared to make fun of people with issues. Like, I go to the Special Olympics every year. And you can joke with people. People know they have issues. People know they have problems. So, what are you going to like now to dress the elephant in the room? So it's made me bottom line, like a very humble person, but also someone that's able to relate to a lot of people. And we talked about earlier about apathy, empathy, whatever. I have a lot of empathy for people, but at the same time, I'll still bust your balls. And I think that's just kind of what being a dude is, is being able to be kind to somebody, but also be like, clean up. Come on, buddy. What are you doing? Like, get your butt on your shirt. Like, get it together. So, my dad taught me a lot. And the most important lesson is he taught me to run fast. Because I was always running away from an apple.

5:24So taught me moves, let me to play in college football and being an athlete. But shout out to my dad somewhere in heaven or wherever he is. What would your dad think about you now? What do you think? I think about this all the time. What my dad, my dad, dad, no six, what he would think about what I'm doing now. I think the podcast he'd like, I don't know if he'd like the coaching program is much or the political views maybe I'm not really sure. I think he'd love my girlfriend, you know, but I don't know about the rest of it. What do you think? What do you think your dad would think about? So, my dad died in 2019. Yeah. I think it'd be very proud of me. My dad always had two competing perspectives on me. Yeah. One was pride and the other one was jealousy. He was proud that his son was always doing well. Did you in school? Got a scholarship to a private school, a lot of scholarship. Always had friends, capital football team, basketball, girls, like I think he was proud of that. But I think it was like slightly jealous. In that it wasn't him. So you can,

6:29one year my buddy, my best friend, Adrian, he was working for a local news. He was a news reporter. He ended up working for CNN and moved out to Colorado and he was covering the Kobe Bryant scandal and Michael Jackson scandal and a trial and I moved out there with with my buddy. And his whole thing was like you come out here moving with me to Denver. You come with me, CNN is putting up, putting us up for a year, but you got to start doing stand-up comedy. So I started doing stand-up. Your dad encouraged you to do stand-up comedy. My buddy, Adrian, encouraged me. Yeah. Yeah. I started doing stand-up and then I moved back to Miami and I started doing stand-up and my father was a recurring character in a lot of the stories. So I remember he showed up to one of my shows, a big show at the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida. And he showed up and he brings this black girl, he's dating. Yeah. After he divorced my mom, this guy was like the United Nations, a bootang. He's there with a black girl and I'm telling her joke and like I think he just

7:30he genuinely liked being the center of attention. Yeah. If he was the butt of the joke, you'd probably try to fist fight. Yeah. Hard to fist fight someone up on stage. He'll try them. I think he'd be very proud. My father actually taught me to watch the news. So I think he'd be proud of certain elements of mine. My athletic career, he liked, would bring around athletes. He was a big fan of my buddy, Chris Humphrey. He would, oh, I love Chris. It's like, yeah, because he's getting you front-road seats to NBA games. That's probably why you like that a little bit. But he, I think he'd be most proud of the fact that I'm really talking about culture and news and geopolitics. He ingrained within me not so much like reading books or necessarily studying, but like pay attention on what's going on in the world. It's important. Yeah. So he would always be watching the news. I'd always be trying to sneak in the TV watch like in living color late at night or watch comedy. But he's like, you watch the news. Things are going on in the world. You got to understand them. So I think you genuinely be proud of me, but a little slightly jealous at astound him. It's a weird thing.

8:35I think we have this in common. My dad wanted me to get into sales when I was very young. And I had wanted nothing to do with it. Ironically, that's all I do now. Partially, right? I'm either selling online or I'm selling in a Zoom call or whatever. But he was also super extroverted, like what you're talking about with your dad was. But I don't know if you've ever watched Jerry Jones do an interview. You know, Jerry Jones of the Cowboys. You're aren't you a Cowboys fan? Yes. So Jerry Jones and my Jerry Jones and my dad are about four weeks apart in age. And when you listen to Jerry talk, he sounds exactly like my dad to the point where it's frightening. Like it's like, and we do. And yes, and we're coming on through the next season. And it was I was like, what the, it's crazy when I hear it. I don't have any audio of my dad speaking. We're talking about this before. And when I, it's just like for me, it's just listening to Jerry talk. It's that North Texas Arkansas accent. It's very unique. It's not Mississippi. It's not Louisiana. And when I hear him talk, I hear that all the time. But I think I think I'd be good. How do you not have any auto of your dad's voice? The only audio I would have had would have been the VHS takes we have. But

9:35we never reported them over and that house is gone. So I don't, I don't think dad no six. He died no six. Because before you could really film with your phone. Yeah. I don't have any. Yeah, we couldn't film with our phone. I do. I have tons of photos of him, but I don't have any, any voice of him. So that, that is an interesting thing. Are you trying to AI your dad's voice? So I was thinking about that we had someone try to do that. That was, I don't know, we might try, we might try some more. But I do think it's interesting is that you and me, our kids, grandkids, nieces and nephews will have 10,000 others. When we're long dead, a hundred years after we're dead, they'll have 10,000 hours of us talking and seeing our face. Like, do you understand? I have no understanding of what my great-grandfather, father, father was like, I have a photo that I see on ancestry.com. I have nothing. I don't know what he was into. I have nothing, but like our children, well, like, you could literally build a robot of me based on like all the videos in your the same way that we've made. And just what a different experience is that's going to be in antiquity a hundred years from now. PBD tells me that all the time because you understand everything, you know, the internet is forever.

10:38Yeah. A lot of people forget that. And, or they don't care about that. So one day he pulls me aside, he goes, listen, well, you just said on the podcast right there, like, I know you meant this. Yeah. But it sounded like this. And one day, you know, your kids might hear that. That might be something you want to clean up a little bit because you know, as guys, well, I'll do nobody says, though, I don't care what people think, which there's, there's a lot of accuracy in that. Like, you don't really have to worry about whatever, but, you know, as, as you get older, maybe you want to have kids one day, one happy, if they think, like, what are my future kids going to think about what I said on camera? Now, there's different levels of this. Saying stuff on cameras, one element. So a lot of people out there, there's these days that are doing things on camera that are questionable. And those, those chickens are going to come home to roots. Well, you're, you're, you're a little bit younger than me, but like the idea when you see like guys like neon or aiden Ross or Logan Paul or Adam 22 have their girlfriends

11:38in barris, them, but it makes them more popular. That's not our generation would never have thought to do that. You understand? It's like neon, like, literally part of his whole deal is him getting cucked and embarrassed by whatever girl he's dating. And then he gets more popular. Even clavicular, he goes out and he gets rejected by women. And it makes him more, our generation, we would never have considered that as being a thing. Yeah. Right. The same thing with Logan Paul, the whole Nina Ogdal thing made him more, more people knew who he was because his, his fiance who became his wife was getting her face touched by Leonardo DiCaprio and Diplo was talking about hooking up with her and all this other stuff and it's just such a different, obviously, Lena the plug going on with Drake two weeks ago. That is the, that is the ultimate example, like our generation, we would have never done something like this. Well, you taught me something years ago. Yeah. And you said there's no distinction between good and bad these days. Not anymore. And the distinction was, yeah. The distinction was Tony soprano. The moment it happened was

12:40Tony soprano. Before Tony soprano, we had good guys and bad guys. We had Hulk Hogan and the Iron Sheep. Yeah. Once it was Jack Bauer, Tony soprano, Gregory House. Once we got to Dexter, there was no more good guy bad guy. And then Donald Trump's like perfect example. There's no more good guy bad guy. That whole thing has changed now. Now everything, the rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin, they're the good guy and the bad guy. And so now there's just this infamy. Logan Paul is the good guy and the bad guy. If you look at everybody who's been a mega popular now, it's the controversy around them. The people who love messy and hate Ronaldo, the people who love Ronaldo and hate messy. That's all it is. They're always the good guy and the bad guy. Whereas before, you were always like Tom Cruise was always presented as the good guy and almost every movie that was in because back then, that's how we're Maverick and Top Gunn was the good guy. He was always the good guy that was never a heel turn. He was all now it's Jamie Lannister. He pushes a kid out of a window. And at the end, he's the ultimate good guy. That that's, I think it was about 25 years ago. That change happened in our culture. And since then, it's, there's all you can do is

13:44become more popular. All you can do is become Caitlin Jenner can run over someone, kill them, and neck and four months later is woman of the year. Like there is no good guy status or bad guy status. Do you think that's good for society? Do you think it's one of those things where it's like, don't hate the player. Hate the game. The game has changed. Is it good for society or bad society? I don't know. It's the referee explaining the dimensions of the football field. I just think it's the rules of the game. There's nothing we can do about it. It's when guys in the manuscript talk about we need to repeal the 19th. Like have fun. Like we're never going to repeal the night. It's not going to happen. Like why are we talking about this? So it would you think that blurs the lines of course it does. Because like I would say like people over 35 over 40 millennials would have you we know there's certain things you don't say you're doing the internet just to get attention. Sure. The game has changed completely when you're talking about neon getting cocked or whatever like that. Or bought a blue with this content. It's infinite. It's Bonnie Blue. It's Lily Phillips. It's Lana Rhodes doing and then complaining about people judging her for doing. There is no limit to this. It's just it's infinite. It just as long as you do something that makes you popular no matter how big the L you take. Skidmail is all the things that he says

14:48that are just nonsense and it doesn't make any difference. He just keep Candace Owens probably the greatest example of anyone in the world who says things that are like definably untrue and she becomes more popular because of it. And so that that's just what I'm talking about. Like there is no good guy or bad guy anymore. You just keep saying and you become more and more popular. Somebody's got to give though. I think at some point it might. You just say the dumbest things, the craziest things, do the wildest things on camera just completely lie, cheat, steal and then more popularity. It's why I do these conspiracy debates. It's because I take these conspiracy theorists and I just drag them out to the deep water and kick the shit out of them over and over again to kind of like try to instill some semblance of reality and normalcy. But even that doesn't work. Even though you know the funny thing is I'll debate a conspiracy theorist. He'll tell me that he's being suppressed by the government. I'll point out that he has four million followers and that I don't. And then his followers will mass report my account while he's telling me that he is being suppressed and censored. Like that's the world we are. Like now it's you say the crazy thing and anyone who

15:52opposes you is suppressed and censored. It's the other way around. That's the point of lunacy that we've gotten to. You know they say that the the riches are in the niches. Yes. So it's one of those things where it's like you could have a billion people hate you. Of course. A million people love you. Oh my god. Yeah. You can monetize those million people. So it's like it's almost like tune out the haters. Now a lot of times those haters might actually be on the right side of history. Yes. But what does that matter if you're monetizing your million followers? For sure. And then it's just kind of like one of those things. I think I think the longest we can go without being hypocrites is probably the best thing. Like for instance, I don't care if someone does something that I disagree with. Just don't sit there and pretend like you didn't do it. Like for instance, I think it's hypocritical for Lana Roads and Mia Khalifa to complain about pornography while using their name. You're saying what I'm saying? Like that's hypocritical. I thought it was a little strange the video of Logan Paul talking to Nick Shirley about let's stop this corruption and fraud. And I'm like, I'm like, look at her. I'm like, wait, what? I don't mind that he had the whole crypto thing

16:55got blow up in his face. And I don't mind. None of that bothers me about Logan Paul. Just don't then pretend like that never happened. Do you understand what I'm saying? Don't don't. I don't mind that Nina Agdal has been with a bunch of dudes. Don't tell me she's only been with five. That's the issue that I have. It's the hypocrisy. You understand what I'm saying? Of course. Yeah. Just don't be judgmental towards anybody. And then you won't have this problem. Well, it's also one of those things where a couple things here today, Gondomaro. Yeah. Like when I think of Logan Paul as an example, I don't think of even the crypto thing. Yeah. If you want to be like, oh, the good, the bad, the ugly. Remember, you did that thing or whatever it is. I think the news cycle is going just going so fast that it's hard to recall what someone did a week ago, a month ago, a year ago. So it's like, what have you done for me lately? Do you? We were having a discussion about this very thing. I forgot who I was talking about. And I was like, do you know that your country has been bombing Iran for 12 straight days and you haven't thought about it one single time? Do you understand how crazy the news cycle has gotten that you don't care? Whenever I talk to the alien conspiracy theory guys, they're like aliens are everywhere. I'm like, do you understand that if aliens landed on the front lawn of the White House right now,

17:55that it would be in one news cycle and no one would give a shit about it in 72 hours? If you could prove, if you could prove today that there was life on Mars, no one would care about it in two days. That's the point that we've gotten to. Well, it's sort of the, what's it called with decentralization of news, of news outlets, of media? Yes. The sense of the sensation, it came to the word because of TikTok. We're so desensitized. No matter what we do, we don't care. Decentralization and desensitized. Desensitization that makes people either immune, not care. I'd even hear about it. And because everything's so decentralized, you know, there might not even, there's people in our country. I said this all the time, I go, unless you're following the news, if Iran is the biggest store in the news right now, you might not even hear about it. I might even know about it. Yeah. If you don't even drive a car, if you're an Uber person, let's just say, yeah, and you're not paying attention to gas prices, you'd have no idea that there's a war going

18:56on the Middle East right now because you're paying like $0.50 to $1 more gas. Yeah. You can tune that out. Actually, it's almost like kudos to how great life is in America. If you want to tune out all the problems in the world, you can do that. Yes. And live in your bubble. You know, also, here's a testament to how great we have it out here. If you want to believe the earth is flat, you can do that as well. If you're if you're a woman who's super hot, like these women who are online and they're like these women are escorts and they have these videos where like I manifested this, like your life is so privileged. A manifest in my life. Your life is so privileged that you can say that you manifested something. Like you're you're with a man who makes so much money that you're like he's sitting there. There's one great video of this man is like sweating. All he does is work all this time and his girlfriend is like drinking champagne like on like on the balcony of their beautiful house and she goes, I manifested this. I mean, while he's just like dying, just working as a soft like that's the reality. Some people their lives are so soft because of air conditioning and internet and because you push a button and food shows up that like you literally believe that

19:56you manifested the good things that happen in your life and don't understand that somebody invented a transistor inside life. So do you not believe in manifestation? No, not what so not only do I not believe in manifestation, the belief in manifestation is a disease. It is a disease that creates victimhood and laziness. Yes. Good to be brought on. Oh, what manifest the whole okay, I'm going to go before you. When the secret was written, the book, the author when they were making that video series, say stated, hey, I want to go into the part about manifest it because manifestation means manual. The actual definition means you have to do work. But in the book, the secret, in the book, the secret, you clinch your in a Lamborghini pops out of thin air because of quantum manifestation. He said, he told the director of the producer, he goes, I would like to put a section in here about the hard work that you have to do to create the manifestation. And his producer said, do not put that in this video. We want it to seem like you do nothing and then money pops out of thin air. And since that time period, this disease of manifestation, I'm not saying, could

20:57it be true maybe, but I'm telling you as a man that doesn't have huge fake boobs and no one to come save me, I know manifestation isn't real. And when I hang out with guys who were broke, who made hundreds of millions of dollars, they don't believe in manifestation either. They don't read the secret. They don't go to Deepak Chopra or what's his name? What's the doctor? I can't remember the guy's name, but the other con artist. They don't go to these people's, they don't go to these people's shows. They don't. They do not, you're not going to hear Elon Musk about manifestation. You'll never hear this. It won't ever happen. So your point is it's really only hot women that, it's hot women, super attractive dudes, guys who are privileged, professional athletes, people who do not have to function in the real world. You will never hear manifestation from an electrician or a carpenter. They will never talk professional athletes. Yeah, but because professional, you ever met a professional athlete who just sucks with women because as soon as he became a professional athlete, he just goes direct every single time and he has no idea what he's doing. Yeah, you know plenty of it. Well, it's again, it's a manifestation. This is sort of a weird analogy, but it's the Joe

22:03dispens it is the doctor. I'm talking about complete quack. Nothing he says is true. The, the, what I'm talking about before is the male model dating coach, the Justin Baldoni looking male model telling you, Hey, Adam, if you want women and not you, but your friend who's six inches shorter than you and maybe Indian and he goes, you need to just be more vulnerable with women. You need to just go up and be yourself and then you'll get the girl of your dreams. Walk up to her and smile and it's a male model dating coach telling you this, which is the equivalent of Shaquille O'Neill just telling you to grow taller and dunk the basketball. That's that it's so ridiculous. No, bro, none of you are enough. You have to work harder. That, sorry, I'm taking all this in. No, no, no, no, no, no, you understand. I'll actually give you a case example of that. I remember this stinkly, this exact story. Yeah. I'm sitting at the standard in Miami Beach, which is like an oasis. Yeah. We're having lunch. It's probably 10 years ago and I'm with my buddy Humphrey's, a couple NBA guys. Some, some buddies of mine at Miami and we're doing what do guys do and talk about,

23:06you know, going out, meeting girls, this and that. And we're all kind of giving like tidbits. I met this girl is a and Chris is like, look guys, here's my secret. By the way, Chris Humphrey's six foot 10 power forward for the New Jersey nets. Yeah, married Kim Kardashian, male model features. Like absolute stud. And we have a very tight relationship and he's like, so here's my secret. And he's like, so what I usually do and I go, you're going to stop right there. I don't give a guess what you're about to say. I want to hear from that little dude right there. Yes. That is sitting there with that supermodel. Yeah. I want to know his story. How did Luigi over there get that girl? That's the story I want to hear. That's the come up story. That's the manifestation of getting the girl of your dreams and building the life of your dreams. How did you do that Hector? I don't want to know. You made it to the NBA. You're six nine. You're a stud. You're a multi-millionaire. Geez, what could you possibly say that can woo this woman? So he's like,

24:08bro, why don't you let me finish? I go, dude, I don't. There's no beginning and to the story. Like, you don't have to do anything. Do you know how much work a guy has to put in? So we would get we go to clubs. This is when I was in my clubbing days, not so much anymore. And we'd walk in and the things he would say to a woman, no other girl, no other guy would have her get away with it. Yeah. Hey, who's a baby? You want to go home with me tonight? Like, so I'd always say, like, do just stay in there and look, let me do the talking. Because a man who isn't come from money, doesn't have supermodel looks, forget about some other looks, doesn't have anything going on. They have to learn sales. They have to learn showmanship. They have to learn gamesmanship. They have to learn how to talk to a woman. They need an learn how to do that delicate dance in anything in life, in business, in sales, in networking, whatever it is, you have to build yourself up to no man of a station like that. If you're just catapulted to gold medal status, gee, wow, nobody wants to hear what you have to say because the life's given to you on a plaque. Yeah. If you're an average looking

25:10guy and you want to date extremely beautiful women, you need to find average looking men who date extremely beautiful women and sorry about this, stop listening to women and stop listening to male model dating coaches give you advice. That's it. That's always been the answer. Why are you not listening to women? Because here's the reason why. If you and I were, if you were hanging out and let's just say you all sudden told me, hey man, you admit this girl and then we went back to our hotel room and hooked up, you don't care that you know that I'm not going to judge you because you went out and hooked up with some random girl. Do you understand that? Like you went, if you hooked up with a girl, you're going to tell me the who, what, where, and why. You might laugh about it or whatever, but you aren't worried about me. You aren't worried about looking bad to me. Does that make sense? No matter what it was. Keep everyone with your own hands. Even if the girl was unattractive, we're just going to laugh, but you're not going to, because I'm not still lost. For sure, for sure, but like you're not going to, you're not going to say, well, I just went up back with her, went because she had good energy. You're not going to make nonsense up about why you hooked up with a girl. When I listen to men describe how they hooked up with a woman, there's that piece of bias

26:13that's not there. They're not worried about looking good. They actually describe what happened. When you talk to women, like women where I know the girl and the guy, I know the, I've heard the story from both of them about how they hooked up. And the guy's story is, yeah, I met with her. We messed around a little bit. Just took her by the hand. You know, she left her friends. We went up to my hotel room and we hooked up. When she tells the story, there's this energy and manifestation and like, like rainbows and clouds. And he just made me feel some kind of way. And I'm like, this is not reasonable information that I need that can help me. Number one, and number two, you're lying. You **** them on the first date. I know you did because I know him and I know you. And you're not, you're not admitting that you did that with women. Again, and by the way, it's, it's more societies fault and it's judgment for men and women that do this. But when I ask women, what causes them to end up having sex with a man, the answer is always sprinkled in this little bit of, I don't want you to judge me. And because of that, you don't get a full proper accurate answer. That's why I'm saying that. I'm not telling you that women are lying. I'm saying that there's a part of women that feels the necessity, necessity to sell purity. And that's

27:14that purity. It's, it's even subconscious. And because of that, the answer they give you is never I **** them because my friend looked at him. She said he was hot. So I had to go that guy before she **** him. That is what actually happened. But she will never say that's what happened. The guy on the other hand will be like, yeah, his, I had hooked up with her friend and her friend thought I was hot. So then and I hooked up with her. He isn't worried about looking bad in front of you. So he will give you the accurate description of what happened. Does that make sense? Yeah. So the, the initial question of why you should not take advice from women. Again, I'm not saying, I take advice from women. Oh, no, no, no, it's not even dating advice. Long term relationships, I do take advice from women. When it comes, I have several women that I know are monsters and finance also. A woman who taught me how to trade stock options, female, I had two female squadron commanders. I have no problem taking advice from women. I have a problem taking advice for women for one thing, attraction. When it comes to sexual attraction, I don't, what, there's always a grain of salt when I listen to women. When women report this is a famous Dr. David Bus study where he

28:18talks about women report, port kindness and intelligence, being the things that they look for in a long term partner. That's a long term partner. That means she's already sexually attracted to him because he's a long term partner. Sandeep from New Delhi, who's 5'5", she's not sexually attracted to him. And so if he comes up and he's kind and intelligent, she doesn't want him for a long term partner because she's not sexually attracted to him. Why? No one seems to be able to grasp this is mind-villowing to me. This is where the people who, the reason why is because the male model dating coach, he automatically gets attraction without working for it. And the female always assumes attraction. She assumes attraction always manifested. She doesn't know, she sees your muscles, she doesn't know the work you put in the gym. She sees your money, she doesn't know the work you put in to get that money. She waits at the finish line and she f**ks the winners. So because of that problem, when we as men, like again, you know that you probably created

29:20situations where you went on a date with a girl and from her standpoint, it felt organic and then she slept with you because of a feeling she had. From your standpoint, you knew the time to pick her up, you knew the place you were going to take her, you knew the valet's name, you knew the chef's name, you knew what was good on the menu, you picked a restaurant that was close to your place, for you, the sex was strategic for her, the sex was organic. And if you ever want to really truly prove this, if you ever want to truly prove this, if you have a bisexual girlfriend, what happens for her is because she's so attractive, men always wanted to have sex with her. For her sex is always organic. The first time you and your super-out girlfriend take a girl home, and it's like seven o'clock in the morning and you guys haven't hooked up because she keeps waiting for something organic to happen because her mind sex is organic. Then she's like, oh sh**, you mean we have to get rid of the hater, we got to put her in the back seat of the car, we have to get rid of the dude trying to ban her. There's a strategy all this. When you have a bisexual girlfriend and the first time you pull a girl home, she's like, oh f**k, you have to do all this work to have sex with a woman. Yes, because sex is not organic for us, it's strategic for her.

30:22I don't care what anyone said, I will die on this hill. Sex is strategic for men. I'm not saying some men don't get sex organically. I'm sure Drake gets sex organically. For most men, most of the time, the first time you have sex with a woman, it is strategic. There was, you were like, well no, I just bumped into her at a foam cannon party in Cancun. Yes, bro, you bought the ticket to the foam cannon party in Cancun. You went to Cancun to hook up with a girl. That was strategic. That's my point. And so because of that, again, I'm not sitting here trying to disrespect women. When it comes to situation, but woman tells me, there's a last thing I'm going to say about this because this interview is about you. David putt's does a study, incredible study. He has women rate men on their physical attractiveness. And then he in the study has men rate men based on their physical formidable ability, whether or not they'd win a fight. They come back of the men who were rated highly attractive by the women. They come back 18 months later and they look for a correlation. Did you, as you got rated higher by these women, did you have more sexual partners versus the women versus the men they did not find physically attractive? And the correlation was zero. They looked

31:26at the men who were more physically formidable and they had significantly more sexual partners than the men who were not physically formidable, meaning women stating your physically attractive has no bearing on whether or not you have sex. Men stating whether or not you're physically formidable has a bearing on you having more sex. And if you ask women, do the guys who are more physically formidable will they get more sex? Women will tell you they will not and they would be wrong. That's why I don't listen to them. I'm just saying like a lot of women don't like big bodybuilders. No, no, they they say they don't women say they want a dad bod and then you show them a picture of a guy with 25% body fat and they're like that's gross. Then they you show them a picture of a guy who's at 14% body fat and they're like that's a dad bod. But that's not a bodybuilder though. Okay, with the bodybuilder. They want some guy with abs and like well the bodybuilder's too much. The bodybuilder is like it's called male over perception bias. They're more physically formidable. They're not they're for middle. I think most physically formidable is the MMA fighter. The most physically formidable actually is the look would be Brad Pitt in Fight Club or Brad Pitt in Troy. The look would be a Colin Conno, Conno McGregor. That's the look of physical formidable. It's at the bodybuilder.

32:30Brock Lesnar Brock Lesnar. Well, there's so a lot of women probably find it very attractive. But my point is that's actually not the most physically formidable phenotype. The most physically formidable phenotype is lean. The most physically formidable phenotype is probably a Navy SEAL MMA fighter. It's actually not the gigantic dude. Right? So there's but that regardless of what we're talking about before, I just I can show you tons of examples where women say I find this thing attractive. So you do the thing they say that is attractive. Then you get no women. And then I can show you infinite examples where the guy tells you hey guys stop listening to women. Here's what I did to get women and you do the thing he says and then you get women. Does that make sense? Ultimately I think it just comes down to this. No guy just trips and falls into some. Yes. And no, no, there are guys you do it. But those guys are machine gun Kelly. Those guys are great. Those are real people. Yes. Those are guys that work for 10, 20 years to become who they are. Yes. To enable them to trip and fall in some bubble bubble. 99.9% of guys have to have a strategy. They have a game plan. Yes. They need to get better. They need to get smarter. They need to get stronger. And they exactly. Yeah.

33:31Whereas plenty of women will trip and fall into some. Yes. Puberty. Sorry for. For. For. Again, this is just about it's a biological double center. It doesn't mean women are worse. It doesn't mean a woman can't be a cardiologist or a pilot. What it means is when it comes to this one thing I listen to men, I don't listen to women. That's it. If I were to say I don't listen to men when it comes to childbirth, I only listen to women. Nobody would think that that's big of it. No one would have a problem with that. No one would. Hey, you know what? When it comes to a postpartum depression, I listen to women talk about this. I don't listen to men. That's not big of it. When I say when it comes to men attracting women, I only listen to men. That shouldn't be bigoted either because females don't have the male experience unless you're bisexual and you and your boyfriend pick up women together, you don't have the experience. So for you to tell me that I should be listening to you, it's I think it's ridiculous. I think it's a ridiculous idea. Tell me if you agree with this kind of conclusion. Anytime. Like I have a girlfriend now. Yeah. I'm good. But when you're single, you're always going to have people try to, oh, I got a girl

34:31for you. You got a girl for you. What I've noticed is any referral from a woman is never what I'm looking for. It never. Yeah. Whatever referral from a man. Never. I'm always like, yeah, you know, you know, you know my type. Yes. A woman. I got a great girl for you and like this girl shows up. It's like, why would you think that that's what I'm looking for? Do you want to know why? Tell me. Because women in general see the men as low. So if you are, if I were to stratify you with 10 million men and you're an eight women in general look at you as a five. And the reason why, what? The reason why there's never been anything. I mean, I don't want to go on this tie rate, but I'm going to end up going on this tie rate. No, no social media and dating apps have the number one thing they've done is made the majority of men look unattractive. It's not that they've made a small group of men look attractive. Those men were already attractive. It's they've made the majority of men look unattractive to women by comparison. And so because of that women will look at your SMV and those say things like, Oh, Ryan Gosling's chopped. What? Why? Ryan Gosling wouldn't

35:33piss on you if you were on fire, honey. And you're saying that he's chopped. Why is that? It's because the dopamine hit that comes from swiping away on TikTok has ruined their ability to discern male sexual market value. So they see a man who's an eight and they think he's a five. So you, while you might be an eight, she sees you as a five. And then she looks at her girlfriend who's a little pudgy. You know, I'm saying who has two masters degrees and it's pretty clear why she's single. He looks at her and she sees her and you as being a match, even though you're way out of her league. She can't see that because social media has screwed up her ability to tell I've had the same thing happen. I'm like, do you really think that that's the type of girl I would go for? And then they see my girlfriends and they're like, Yo, it's always the same thing. All my female friends are like, how the did you get that girl? Because in their mind, I am so far beneath her from an SMV standpoint because their belief about social market value has been completely deformed by social media in social media. A girl who's a five becomes an eight or a nine because you go girl, you print this body positivity. The guy who works his ass off, he becomes because he's not

36:34Drake, Chris Hemsworth or machine gun Kelly. He's an eight. He is demoted to a five. Do you understand what I'm saying? Social media, the number one thing it has done is made more men unattractive to women than anything else. There's a solution to this. Thanks Mark Zuckerberg. Yes. The solution is to create social environments away from social media. We're not victims. That the solution is to basically do what I teach in my program. But that is where we've gotten to. So that's why that's why you get that happen. Have that happened so much. Well, shout out to Sandeep, shout out to all the guys who are fives, but striving to be the 10s. Yeah, exactly. I do want to ask you about this because I don't know. I hear you talk about this much. Cornel, a country day academy, you going all state and as a receiver in a point guard and then going to Florida state, trying to play football. Yeah. Well, I was always good at sports. Yeah. And I got a sports scholarship to Miami Country Day. And I was a late bloomer. I think I would have done a lot better athletically. By the time I got to college, I was like, dunking. I was like, I became that six

37:37foot white boy with game. But my senior year, I led the county in receptions. And I was better at basketball, but I better stats in football. Yeah. And here's something that a lot of football guys are going to have to think about. So I went to North Carolina, Greensboro, played freshman year there. I hated it, transferred to Florida state. Got to Florida state, walked on their basic, like, look, you can drag kick for the next four years. And maybe by the time you're a senior, you'll see a little game time. Or you could go and hang out with the hottest women in the world. And have a great time in Florida state. I said, coach, thank you so much. So I would always, like athletics always like got me into cool places, cool people. We'd always say, like, if you want to be around solid dudes, get confidence, confidence, all that, be around athletes. But don't try to be a professional athlete if you're not one. Use that as leverage. And what I ended up doing was getting into nightlife world and then having the athlete connections and then

38:38kind of like mirroring those two things. By the time I got to Miami, I knew all the athletes, where people would come to town, I knew all the models. Next thing you know, that's kind of like how the whole thing collab. But I was never like a full on my, my cousin was a sports agent. So I would work with a lot of his athletes or home freez all those players. And I was never like 100% in the nightlife world. That was kind of always like, kind of like navigating those waters. It's like, I was like in my 20s, I was always that the guy that's like, what does that guy do? Who is he? He's in the club. He's with athletes, but he doesn't work in the club. He's not their agent. It's you me and fresh. Yeah, it's just kind of like, you're kind of like doing that. Yeah. And that's great. You make a million connections that way. So you're, you're, the, it's interesting. Bonk, this is my next question. 21 to 26. You're sort of in nightlife. Like, I can relate to this. So it's nightlife, stand up comedy. You're doing your sports agent, all these different things that you're doing from 21 to 26. Yeah, it was a jack of all trades, master. I'm done. Yes. I made a look. So I got into finance at 26. And that's what has,

39:46you know, made me successful and all that. But I looked at my life when I was a lot of, you talk about being a victim. Yeah. There's a lot of victim mentality out there these days. Yes. And when I was 25, I made all these connections and all these things going on. And I saw all my buddies around me that went to law school, got into real estate, we're getting all these jobs, doctor, medical school, what have you. They were all making money. And I was the broken business of all my friends. It's really good to be the brokest of your friends. If you have rich friends, yes, if you're the brokers of your friends and all your friends are broke, then you probably have a problem, bro. So I looked at all my friends and instead of being a hater, that guy that I said, why don't I just try to strive to be like them. And ultimately, I figured it out. And it, it served me well. It was, it gave me motivation. I think it was my biggest thing. I remember a buddy of mine was, you know, it's like literally the scene of wolf

40:47on the wall street, he goes, Hey, sir, I made 70 grand this month in real estate. I go, show me a receipt for $70,000 paycheck for $70,000. I quit my job. I worked for you. Yeah. And that's it. I ended up happening. I got into finance because of that guy. And ultimately, I ate for two years. Yeah. I made $5,000. My first year, my second year, I made $100,000. And the recession happened 2008. And then you just kind of got to grow with it. But you know, this better than anyone. Good things take time. Yes. And I look at a lot of my, you know, there's three things that I say that I say the secrets of success are these three R's. There's relationships. There's your reputation. And then there's revenue. So I look at relationships like stocks. So the guys that I was friends with 10, 20, 30 years ago that put in the work independently, nothing to do with me because I was generally friends with them. I had a relationship with them. Now they're 20 years later NBA players, big time hotel guys, big time podcasters,

41:53men are stocks. So if you relate, if you invest in that relationship, good things will happen. So with relationships, I view everything in this lens of these three of these three R's, relationships, friendships, partnerships, these are the things are the foundation of everything that's going to happen in your life. No man is an island. So all my friends that I was friends with 20 years ago, 30 years or 10 years ago, they're succeeding and I'm rooting for them. Yes. So your reputation, your reputation is who you are before you walk in the door. And what people say about you when you leave. So they all, yeah, good to meet you as easily. Would you do business like that? No, bro. It looks cool, but I would never trust them for a million years. Like one of the proudest moments of my, the proudest things I'm proud of is that I've born and raised in Miami. I've been to the Miami nightlife scene. I've seen you in Miami. They say, sunny plays, shady people. I can walk anywhere. I can do anything. And I know that no one's going to be like that guy stole money from me. That guy, that guy, that guy did this. I view my reputation as something that I can hang my hat on and say, if you're not sure, share about me. So 100 people.

42:55But relationships are great. That's probably my, the thing that I value the most. Reputation is obviously beyond important. But it all kind of means nothing if you're not making money. If there's no revenue, if there's no profit, if there's no hay, we're working on things and increasingly getting better, it's like we're just, we're just kind of like moving the food around on the plate, but not eating it. So that to me is something that I've learned in my 20 plus years of nightlife, finance, hospitality, podcasting is all, everyone's going to fall into those three buckets. In one of those three buckets, the people that are in that, that you can do all three of those things with have great relationships, develop this reputation for winning and succeeding and, and, and, and good things happening and also make money with. Then that's the trifecta for me. Can you go over a couple of things? Why you started taking your career seriously at 27, and then can you explain a lot of the guys who watch this programmer into things like stock options,

44:01sell life insurance, whatever. I think the audience would probably understand, can you explain exactly how that business model work, the finance one and then, and then the one that you and P.B.D. were involved with? Yeah, I vaguely understand this. So I won't bore you with, no go ahead and bore us. I'm telling you, this audience you can bore. It's, yeah, so we find you, you want to know like, you give this actual business model? We get as academic as you want. Yes. So I'll start surface level and work my way down. Yeah. At the end of the day, for your young men out there, you know, they say, played your strengths. Yeah. So in, in my early 20s, I was a jack of all trades, made no money, and I had to sit back and take stock of what am I actually good at? I said, alright, I'm doing stand-up comedy. I know how to work a room, work out of crowd. I'm doing nightlife. I know how to, you know, have a great time with people. Show people a great time. Be hospitable. Show people respect. I was a substitute teacher for a little while. I knew how to motivate people and sort of incentivize kids. Hey, if we do this, we're going to have playground time. We're

45:06going to go out there and do PE. So I learned all these things as a sports agent. I know how to treat certain athletes or treat certain people a certain way. So I used this cultivation of, of really what I was good at. And what I realized I was good at is business. Going out, shaking hands, like a politician shaking hands, kids, babies, everything, I knew I was good at that. So that, that, that became like, I didn't have to learn that. Yes. Like there's things that you're good at independently of school. There's things that you can exceed without having to take a class. Everyone has natural gifts, right? So I almost went to law school, right? And I just, I'm not, that's not for me. I'm with Pima Sports agent that has not for me. I got into real estate. I said, I'm good at networking with people. I really don't give a shit about the custom walling and the, you know, the two bedroom three, whatever it may be. It's just not my thing. So identified a career, a sector in the workforce where I can make money.

46:12But in the finance world, there's product guys and there's sales guys. Now if someone wants to be great at finance, it's important to be both. You want to meet customers, you want to meet prospective customers, you want to be able to interact with people around you. We also didn't know you. So the first year, all I did was create relationships. And I would say, listen, I just started this job. Here's what I'm doing. I have a mentor. I'd like you to talk to him. I would lay up for him. It's kind of like if you do a, in sales, there's openers, there's closers, there's those relationship guys. So where I found success was being the opener, being the business dev guide. I'd go to all the conferences. I get the phone numbers. I get the business cards. This one business cards are a big thing, not blank and all these other things. So I would open up all those relationships, but I would pass them off to my basically senior guy. And eventually I step back and I said, how long am I going to be the business of guide? How long am I going to be the guy that opens a relationship? It doesn't profit from the

47:13relationship. And I said, beyond that, I need to learn my business. So I'm good at this. I'm good at networking sales, business. Have everyone called it. I'm not really good at this product thing. Now the product is it's like reverse life insurance, reverse mortgages. So the business that I'm in for 20 years now is called life insurance settlements. It's basically like like a structured settlement, a reverse, reverse mortgage annuity. Everyone has life insurance. So this is, I've completed my mortgage or I've completed my term life insurance and now I'm going to get paid out. Exactly. It's, do you want cash now or cash when you're dead? Okay. That's the fundamental thing with life insurance. But this is only going to work with term life insurance and completion. Work with all life insurance. Okay. We'll explain it. It's a senior product. Okay. So the fact that it was a senior product was sort of a lagging indicator that I was going to get into podcasting. I'll explain why. So everyone I dealt with was in their 50s and 60s and I was in my 20s. Okay. So they're the

48:15financial advisor to the insurance agents for a wealthy 60 year old person, a 70 year old person. So I'll just give you a case example to kind of break it down. A wealthy person has a 10 million dollar life insurance policy. Okay. There were 50 million dollars, 100 million dollars, God forbid when they die. Their estate is going to be the beneficiary of a 10 million dollar life insurance payout, death claim. Yeah. So the dirty little secret about life insurance, I don't want to put this out there for other people is that 90 to 99% of life insurance policies never pay out. 99 to 99%. So you will understand this because you're in Vegas. The house always wins. Okay. Yeah. Of course. New York life and MetLife and Prudential and sunlight. All these big companies don't get this big. So I don't know if you know this. This is the mathematics for the actuaries. It's the black shoals model. It was came out 1992. They won the Nobel Prize for it sometime afterwards. The black shoal model is the model that

49:15actuaries use to price warrants and it's also used to price life insurance policies. It's used to price stock options. It has to do with what's the inner deviation and the way that they're price, the mathematical formula for that was actually there's somebody won the Nobel Prize for it. And that's where you come up with the math, but you're correct in the math. The house always wins. Exactly. And I learned that. I was like, so what happens to all these life insurance policies? It's like, well, at some point you become, as you get older life insurance policy, it's called the COI curve. Yes. Cost of insurance curve. Like if you're 20s and 30s and you're starting a family or starting a business and you need life insurance, especially if you get term life insurance, it's very cheap. Yes. You know, it's a price of a coffee a day or whatever it is. As you get older, usually the threshold is about 70. The price goes from pennies on the dollar to dollars on the dollar. Yes. So a million dollar policy when you're in your 20s, my cost you are 500 bucks a year, $5,000 a year. By the time you're 70, guess a month, you think it'll it'll cost you.

50:16A million bucks. For a million dollar policy. Well, $500,000, what do you mean? A million dollar death benefit. So if you die, your family gets a million. How much you think you'll be paying a year for that million dollar policy? 100 grand, 100 grand, 10%. It's about, it's about three to five percent of the investment. So 30, 30 grand. So 30 to 50,000 as you hit age 70. Wow. So you want to know why? Because you're closer to death. No one lives forever. That's kind of how the life insurance should be called death. So the death insurance, the math is always going to work out to where the policy payout will be less than what you're deductible with. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes you paid more than you'll get. Yeah. If you live too long, right? So really, my business model to end of the day is saying, listen, I'm option B. This is how I, yeah, I established credibility with all the advisors and the clients. I said, listen, I want to talk to you about selling your life insurance policy. Call the life settlement. You can get XYZ cash today. The average payout is about 25% of the face. You can get $250,000 today or a million dollars when you're dead. It's up to you. Now, here's my suggestion. I want you to keep your life insurance policy. I don't want you to sell it to

51:21me. I want your family to get the million dollars. Don't sell it to me unless you don't need it. Don't want it or can't afford it. And then they say, well, what do you mean? I say, I've been looked at your premium costs. If you looked at your premium structure, I've been looked at your CY, your cost of insurance. They go, no, I've been really, I don't really understand it. I go, well, you're about to get tick-tick-bones when you turn age 70 and your $5,000 that you're paying a year is going to be $35,000 a year. They said, what? I go run the illustration from the, from the carrier. Vardential, New York, Lai, Fograz, whatever it may be. Oh my god. I had no idea. I said, listen, I want you to understand this. I want you to keep your life insurance policy. That is option A. But if option A is off the table, you have to go with option B. So option B gives you a two-pronged approach. You can lapse it and stop paying and get zero. Or you could sell it and get the fair market value, that you know, sexual market value, fair market value, FMV for your policy.

52:22Yes. And I have my geek squad in the back, people, people, boop, boop. You'll get $224,000 for your policy today. Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing. So you have three options. You pay $30,000 a year for the next 10, 20 years, whatever it may be. Okay, your family gets a million bucks. Great. Time value of money. You don't want to do that because you want to come out of pocket with $30,000. Let's be real here. Who's paying $30,000 for a life insurance policy? You would only do that if you're closer to death. But if you think you're going to live a long time, I don't mean a long time, you're 70, a decade. People live to the 8090s. They expect you to default on your prop. They expect you to default on your life insurance. And then there's never a payout. And there's never a payout. And you ended up paying a million dollars to them and never got the million dollars back. A lot of times you won't necessarily pay a million. You'll pay whatever your premiums are. Yeah. So the, I mean, I'm making a, to keep it so. I'm curious, how does this work from your end though? When you buy the policy, wouldn't like, wouldn't a life insurance company try to fight you guys? Yes. Yeah. So, customer first, okay. Like,

53:28it's important to know your pitch. Yeah. It's important. Whatever business you're in, it's important to know what motivates the client. I say things like, I'm never going to cost you one penny. You will only get money from me. I'm not, I'm not asking you for money. I can only give you money. You have the option of saying no and keeping your policy or the option of saying yes and selling your policy. So I understand that fundamental. So if I can only give you money, that means I can't rip you off. What can I do? Your policy, the risk is someone's going to own it. Now, who owns it? It's based on the state regulations. So they say the number one, the, the, the two questions, a client, and put myself in the position of a client or the financial advisor, they always have two questions. Who the fuck is buying my policy? Who's going to end up owning my policy? I want to know that. Is it Tony soprano buying my policy? Is it some of the lawden by my policy? Or is it some pension fund that I'm a, I'm a nameless number in their portfolio that's

54:29going to pay out as a bond in 20 years? Well, the answer is that one, not Tony soprano. Okay, got it. It's state regulated, state in Nevada, state of Florida, state of California. Every buyer has to be licensed in that state. If not, we don't sell to them. Great. Could we package them up, pull them like, like bonds like assets? Yeah. Great. Number two, when they want to know after who's buying the policy, number two, how do I know I'm getting a good deal? Yes. And this is where I have so much pride in my business. I say, that's the best question to ask. Because a lot of people try to rip you off. Here's what my business model is. We run an auction. It's an auction platform. So my company is called Welcome Funds, or these Sotheby's of life insurance policies. When you want to sell your policy and get fair market value, what do you do? So, you know, you go to Christie's, you go to Sotheby's, you go to auto trade or whatever. I think, I think the question, I think the question a lot of people are having right now is now what is the, the mechanism that then allows you to get paid out by the insurance company? Because are you continuing to pay the premiums or do you negotiate with them? No. So you continue to, but you get a

55:32discount because they've been paying on the term life insurance for whatever period before they sold it to you. You determine what that equity in the term insurance is. That's what you pay them. And then you end up with a million dollar payout upon their death. Bingo. Yes. You said it's yourself. The one thing I want to clarify is someone's going to have to pay those premiums. Okay. It's either going to be you, the $30,000 a year or less. So, the, well, you're going to sell it to me and I'm going to pay the contract is still attached to the original beneficiary, but the money is the original insured, the original insured. It's on their life, but the beneficiary now becomes you. The best way to explain this is yes. In life, you have assets and liabilities. Yes. Your assets minus your liabilities as your net worth. Yeah. Everything you own is an asset. Your house, your car, your jewelry, your podcast equipment, your life insurance is an asset. And the Supreme Court ruled it that if it's an asset, you can sell it to whoever you want. So if there's something called insurable interest, I can't just take a

56:33life insurance policy on Michael Sartane because he's a good guy. We have to be business partners. Yeah. We have to be family. We have to be married, whatever it may be. But once an insurable interest is designated as approved by the insurance carrier because they have to approve the policy, after two years, it's called a CNS period contestability and suicide period. You can't just take on a policy. You're probably getting some mulligan bucks. Yeah. They have two years to investigate fraud. So once you pass that, then the life insurance policy is an asset. So everything is really just on the premise that this is an asset, you can sell it. And just like your car, you wouldn't leave your car on the side of a road. You would sell it to somebody for $5,000 or $10,000. You wouldn't leave it there. My question is, if I live to be 80, you're still paying premiums on you are as the settlement company paying premiums on me. So you can lose on some of these. The goal is to not lose. The goal is to have a. I'm saying, I'm just trying to understand the statistics. I'm just trying to understand the mechanism to make this work for both sides.

57:35So for your side, the way it would work is if they, you're getting the term life insurance at a discount because they did pay equity into it. And so you're doing the math to say the difference between how long they're expected to live, how much premium you have to pay now as the settlement company in comparison to what you paid out additionally. And then subtract that from the final payout from the company. Exactly. Okay. And so it's just it's just actuary work backwards. Exactly. Okay. And I'll just put a ribbon on this conversation. There's two elements. In order to succeed in anything that you do business in, you have to, no matter what business you're in, you're in the people business. Yes. People like doing business with people they like. So I, I perfected the art of being a people person. Natural. It comes natural to me. I remember I've read the book, how to win friends and influence people. I encourage a lot of people to read that all the time. I'm sure that's like an overhyped book because I ever would ever recommend that. Yes. The first chapter is in order for to, to, to get something from this book, you actually have

58:35to be interested in people. I'm just interested in people. Yes. You don't become a podcast or you don't become a sales, you don't give a shit about people. I've liked that. So that was my skill set. I knew that where I had to learn and where I encourage a lot of people to learn is once you know your skill set, get good at the product side of things. It's marketing and this product side of things. If you told me when I was 25, 26 years old that I was doing stand-up comedy and doing club promotion and working with sports agents that I would be a life insurance expert and I would know product in detail from carriers. I'd be like, no, that's so not anything I can understand. I don't know what life insurance is, but that's putting in the work. Okay. Back to the whole thing about the comedy clubs. They were talking about before Marcelo Hernandez. Yeah. Yeah. You talk about before you discover him. I what? You discovered him. I don't want to say I discovered him. But I certainly noticed his talents very early. And this is what I was talking about. I knew relationships as stocks. Yes. Like I gave you that Humphrey's example. I met Humphrey's when

59:36he was high school. Yeah. And we're not going to the NBA. I just said to someone about this guy. I like this guy. I mean, you know, genuine friendship. So 2016, 10 years ago, I had been in the finance insurance world for 10 years. I was that my broke his friend sleeping on friends couches fast forward 10 years later, made a bunch of money. I had NBA players crashing on my couch like it's, it takes 10 years to become that dude. So I said, what do I, what do I like? What do I want to do? And I realized I loved nightlife. I love stand-up comedy. I love putting on shows. All right. We opened up a bar in Miami. My one of my best friends Keith Manin was family owns like a bunch of hotels. We opened up a bar called Bodega in 2015 with the place next door. I said, what are we going to do with this place next story? Because I think we're going to put like a comedy club. I'm in. I'm in. Let's go. I got you. So we partner up. I run in the comedy thing. So now I'm going around and recruiting young

1:00:41Miami comedians to come in to do stand-up comedy. And I've always just said, I know this guy's good. This guy's got it. This guy's funny, but he's not a bit like, I got it. This kid shows up. He does a five minute set. I go, dude, you're fucking awesome. I go, how old are you? He goes, well, why do you want to know? I'm like, relax. Like, I'm not the cop. So I'm just asking because I'm starting to come and go, he says, I'm 19. I said, dude, you're awesome. I said, where you living? He goes, I'm from Miami, but I'm in school in Ohio right now. I said, cool. He said, how are for new back in town? He goes probably like once a month or whatever I come back. I go next time you're in town. I want to make you the headliner. I think you're awesome. Promote it. All your friends will blow it up. Boom. Kills it. Crushers it. It's 20 years old. You're just like this upstart comedian kid. So do the comedy thing for a little while. He's doing his thing. Graduate college. He ended up moving to New York. And I would just kind of like, I'm in Vegas. I hit you up or whatever it may be. If I'm in New York, I hit you up. If he's in Miami, hits me up. He's a struggling comedian selling tickets for $5 to go appear at the Grizzly

1:01:48Pear, which is right down the street from the comedy seller, which is like the number one comedy club. He's like, I'm just working my way up. So I went to the Grizzly Pear and he's getting better. And eventually when I teamed up with PPD in 2020 and I was in Dallas with Pat, we moved back to to South Florida, to Boca. And I was working on my own show that I was working on. He goes, we have a budget for a part time person to be your writer, producer, whatever you want to call it. I had made one phone call. And it was so funny because I remember the phone call that I made that day. I was just so tunnel vision on the podcast thing. I've done the finance thing. And the nightlife thing. I was so tunnel vision that I'll never forget it was my birthday. And you're on your birthday. You're getting calls. You're getting texts. And it's like, if you have a lot of friends, you'll have 100 tags. And it's good. So it's all incoming calls. I'll never forget. I made one phone call that day and I called Marcelo. And he's like, what's up?

1:02:48So I'm going to do it. I'm like, what are you up to? And he's like, what are you up to? Is it your birthday? Like, why are you calling me kind of? I think he texts me happy birthday. I said, listen, what are you up to these days? He's like, I'm doing a little stand-up. I'm back in Miami now. I said, perfect. I said, how would you like to be my producer, my writer? He goes, yeah, great. I need money. I said, okay, great. It's a part time job. You're going to be paying a thousand bucks a month, a 250 bucks a week. You're going to help me produce one episode a week. It's all good. Came in, met with Pat, blah, blah, blah, blah, this is in 2021. So he's just doing his thing. He's not famous. He's not special. He's just on that grind. But there was something special about him. So I remember when the Reverend meet the road, he was like, bro, I'm like, I'm really struggling right now. I need a raise. I want to talk to P.B.D. about a raise. I said, bro, it's not my call. It's his Pats. But I don't see him giving you a raise. But I'll go to Bats for you. I'll tell you,

1:03:52tell him how great you are. I think he knows how great you are. So I never forget we're sitting in a room like this at a big table. It's Marcelo and I and P.B.D. and Mario. And Mario will remember this story if he ever sees this. Mario has been with Pat for 20 years. And he goes, Pat, you know, I'm really working hard. And here the data, the metrics, and this is why I think I deserve this particular raise. Pat goes, no, no. Like, this is the budget. I think you're great. But this is the number. And Marcelo is like, and it memory is saying, he's like, what could I have done differently? What do you think? My negotiation? I don't know. And I'm like, it's Pat, bro. Like, what do you want me to do? Like, try trying negotiating with a Middle Eastern business man who's come from nothing to become who he is. He's not giving stuff away from free. So we'll revisit this another time. So now it's the summer of 2022, 2023, 2023. And this is one Andrew is like the

1:04:59most famous guy in the world at this point, right? And we flew out to Madrid to interview. And I remember that. Yeah, the hotel. So yeah, we were at the cigar lounge hotel type thing. And it's so funny how these two things like intersected. Marcelo got paid to produce one episode per week. Yes. We were gone for two weeks, which means he got paid nothing for two weeks. He's like, bro, hurry back. I don't give a shit about Andrew. I need to make some money. I said, do it. I'm gone for a while, bro. I don't know. It's going to be a little thing. But the time I get back, we have a conversation. He's like, bro, like, hurry, we got to get to the studio. I need to make some money. We were supposed to shoot something that day or write something that day. He calls me, goes, hey, bro, like, I'm not going to make it in today. I said, well, what's wrong? He goes, yeah, good, good, good news. And I got bad news for you. I said, lay it on me. You always start with the bad news. Give me the bad news. The bad news is Adam. I quit. Sorry, bro. I know that,

1:05:59you know, but I quit. I said, I get it. This is a part-time job. Like I said, what's the good news? He goes, the good news is you're talking to the newest cast member of Saturday Night Live. I said, get out of here, bro. And remember, I said, like, I'm rooting for my friends. I'm rooting for the guys around me to win. I'm not a hater. I'm always like, I want the best for my friends, because I genuinely want the best for my friends. But here's a little secret. The better your friends do, the better, the more you'll benefit because of it. Yeah. People don't understand that. So, I'll never forget the, you almost don't believe it. You're like, come out. What do you mean? He goes, you'll see, they're going to make an announcement. And I remember they put an announcement. And like, okay, the reality hit. What was Pat's reaction to that? Pat, let me tell you, we the first episode of the season, we watched together. And, you know, you're not a full cast member. You're featured. Yeah.

1:07:01So, they're going to, it's Saturday Night Live. And they're going, boon yang, and this, and then, we'll, we'll feral, they're doing the names, whoever's on the show. And it gets to the featured. And it was, and more solo Hernandez, we're looking like, like proud parents. Yeah. Like, I remember crying when we called him, like the next day, we're like, bros, we're gonna brad, you bro, Pat, want to say what's up? Because I saw what he put in for almost 10 years of comedy. And this was the big payoff. And he would always say, I want to be on SNL. I want to be the Latino Jerry Seinfeld. I want to be this person. And he always, he goes, Pat, I want to thank you. Thank you for not giving me that race. Thank you for turning me down, because it made me go back to the drug board and even hungrier. And say, I got to figure this thing out. So, we went to his comedy show at the hard rock. You sold out the, now we sell on our shows left and right. And,

1:08:02Pat and Vinnie and I went. And it was like, we took a picture, I'll send you the picture, but it was like the culmination of everything we were so happy for the freaking guy. And the joke is like, thanks for not giving me that race, bro. It's almost like you messed up. Now the guys make them feel like getting a personal move. Have you ever looked back in your life and thought, if that one incredible girl that I liked had given me a shot, I'd be married to the wrong person right now. You know, I'm not saying that past the wrong person. What I'm saying is I look back on these, these opportunities that I wanted so bad and I miss. And I'm like, I'm glad I wasn't a VIP host when I first moved here because I might still be one. And that's not what I want to do with my life. Like, I'm glad some things happened in the military where I left or I would have done 20 years in the Air Force. And that my life would be very different right now. I'm glad that the things happen the way they did. I'm not the person that says things like it's written in the stars. Yes. Like life is, it's manifested, bro. It's manifested, bro. But at the same token, I do think, do think that like certain things happen for a reason. You know, I believe in God.

1:09:09I do believe that people come in your life and you need to take advantage of situations. But ultimately, I believe this. You know, God doesn't give you what you want. He might give you what you need. Yes. And when one door closes, another door opens. And you might think that what happens to you is the worst, oh my God, I got fired. But that led to something else. Everything that I've done in my life, every element of success, I've noticed that it started with bad that turned to good. I'll give you some quick examples. I didn't want to go to private school. I wanted to stay at public school with all my boys. And my dad said, you're going to find this private school. And I remember kicking and screaming and 15, I don't want to. And ended up being the best decision I could have possibly made. And that I mean, the connections you make at these these elite institutions, it lasts forever. It's incredible. My job that I got with welcome funds, that was my second job. That was the my second thing that I wanted to do. My first thing that I wanted to do was I got to real estate. I was going to do a mortgage banking. And I went through all these job interviews.

1:10:13I flew to Chicago. They picked me up in a limo. They would give me $5,000 a month. Just for training for six months, I've never made that kind of money. And I failed the last interview. Not the last time, but they failed to give me a job because the HR suspended license. So for suspended license. And I remember wanted to kill the HR. I remember and it turned out a year later, the mortgage crisis happens and saved your life. Save my life. Yeah. I would have been looking for a job. I know the girl I would have married had she accepted me and how I'm not horrible. I don't mean to say that, because she probably knows who she is. How different my life would be right now had that happen. And so this opportunity, because I was going to ask you about that, the failed the suspended license causing you how different your life would be. Like the freedom that we have, you know, doing what we love. Regardless of how much money I make, I do it. I love every day, man. It is so great. And so you would have lost that had the other opportunity popped up. I'm wearing your percent. And then the ultimate point is this, because a lot of times when I give

1:11:14talks, I'm talking about me, but I'm really trying to, important to the audience that these are lessons and principles in life. They're going to serve you well throughout your life. What you think was is bad for you now might end up being good for you later. Yes. So the fact that I didn't get that job because I had a suspended license, I ended up getting a job at welcome funds. That's how I met BBD. And that's how I ended up being a podcaster. So if not that, I would have probably know who knows what it would have. So I'm going to ask you two questions here. The first one is there's this on air kerfuffle between the two of you because you are having the discussion about dating Pat and I are about the same age. Pat's a little bit younger than me. And when he talks about dating, he's been married for a while. And he has this sort of like reducto. When he was talking to you, I was you in that moment because I have had so many people. And it's not that they're, it's they don't know that they're wrong. I'm just going to say this right now. And I have a ton of respect for Pat. You were 100% correct in that disagreement that

1:12:15you guys are having. And it wasn't that Pat was wrong is that he couldn't see how things had changed because when he got married, every girl wasn't doing this when he got married. You didn't have women making a hundred K a month on OF and then all the other girls trying to start an OF because they have a friend that they met in the gym that was he's not and he's like, all you're doing is meeting women at the club. And I know you that's not true. I didn't meet my girl at the club. That's not how how this worked. And I was listening and it's not just Pat. It was every family member I've ever had. It's every person who's criticized my business. And I was hearing all of their voices in Pat because that was the reductive. You aren't meeting a girl because you're in the club and I'm like, bro, like with all due respect, that's not what's happening. The women are different. And then Pat goes off and makes that video. You know the one I'm talking about where he's got the white board. And it's like, I thought it was a great try, but it was very clear. This was coming from a guy who'd been married for a while and didn't he didn't put into the whole part. And if you guys really want to understand this, read Sextinction by Deborah Soe and read another book called The

1:13:19Anxious Generation by Jonathan Height. As women consume more social media, their opinion of men drops. The New Statesman Survey, which goes over this beautiful article. It's so perfectly shows this. Man 72% have a positive view of women. 50% of women have a positive view of men. This is women under 30. Women under 25. It's 36 35% of women have a positive view of men, which means 65% of women don't have a positive view of men. A negative view of women, 7% of men have a negative view of women, 21% of women have a negative view of men. And if a woman went to college, the number gets cut, gets cut half, meaning the more time a woman spends in college, the worse her opinion of men is. You combine that with the fact that as women, women use social media more than men do, that's a noted fact you guys can look that up. And women are more affected by social media, especially when it comes to neuroticism than men are, meaning women feel worse about themselves and worse about their partners because of social media. And I love Pat. You love Pat, but he didn't

1:14:19see any of that when he sat there and said that. And I'm just curious if you had words with him because that got kind of heated. But I'm watching this and I'm like, oh no, but Adam's completely, like the data completely backs up what Adam was saying. And I'm curious what happened after that, because that was probably the most contentious I've ever seen the two of you on the air. Number one, and then number two, when he went and made his video about it as well. And I'm sure he invites open discourse, but I also know like I said before, I don't how to go pick up chicks at the club is not with something I ask Mary people. And but if I wanted to ask, how do you keep a happy relationship for a long time? Pat, Pat McDavid would be the first guy. He would be the first guy I would ask, but how do I get this super hot girl who's out of my league from her friend group to go out with me? He's not the first guy. I would ask no disrespect. I would ask you first. And so that's why I'm asking this question. Yeah, I think you summed it up right. Yeah. If you want to know how to raise a family and be a leader and have a happy wife, he's the first guy. I would ask. He's the first guy. Yeah. If you want to know what it's like in the club or on the dating scene in the dating

1:15:21scene, forget the club. Yeah, exactly. Hold on. By the way, there is no club. It's gone. I don't know if Pat understands this. Nightlife is dead. It doesn't exist. Women don't go out anymore because of social media. Well, to an extent. Two places. Two places. Miami and Vegas. Yes. Nightlife in LA is completely gone and London. It's gone in New York. It's dying. LA Vegas. I'm sorry, Vegas, Miami. 100% because we have $500,000 million or DJs. So we still have it. Rest of the country. It's Coachella. Yes. Burning man. Yes. Art Basel. Yes. Ibiza. Yes. For the rest of you, poor brokeies. No, it's over for you. You go to a bar now. It's seven dudes for every girl. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I'm lucky in that capacity of Miami. But look, I'll say this. Pat's the man. He's my boss. He's my leader. He's my big brother. Like I love Pat the death. At the same time, we have we have foundational principles and value, attainment on the P. B. Podcast and debate is one of them. Yes. Debate having discourse, the free exchange of ideas. So yeah, sometimes we're

1:16:27getting to debates and I actually want to give Pat credit. I would be a lesser man today if I did no P. B. D. Yes. And he's helped me grow in so many ways. You know, he's helped me grow. I read his books. I watch his show. He's helped a lot of us grow for sure. And I'll put this like in the in the most PG version version that I can possibly do. There's a million different books that Pat could write on business and strategy and fellowship and leadership and scaling and all that. Pat probably would not be the first person to write a modern dating book. Yes. Because credit to him, he's been married in with his wife for almost 20 years. Or how the average guy can use social media to better his dating life. It's just it's actually a compliment to him. Yeah. Because he's such a good family man and so committed to his family and his wife. And he lives in alignment with that that he wouldn't know. Well, what the dating world really is. I think you and

1:17:29I are so in tune with it. We're not disgusted or we're not we're not to what's the word I'm looking for cynical because of it. Like we're just gonna get it. Yeah, we get it. I think modern married men who've been married for a while in happy relationship. If you had to go back and date and I'm not saying this out of an experience. This is not a hypothetical. I have 4700 clients and a good number. I would say somewhere between 30 35% of them have been divorced and they're divorced in their 40s. And their view of the modern dating scene is disgust. It's just I think if Pat really understood what was going on now like truly went on a date with a girl and he's like, oh, I'm just gonna have a date with her. And I remember he talked about when he met his wife. He told her how he felt about it. All this kind of stuff. Oh my God. Could you imagine trying to do that with a girl today? You just go up and tell her how he feels like what how you feel? Like I just got an athlete in my DMs. Turns out the athlete was fake, right? It was the John love. But it's like I had an athlete in my DMs. Like you don't understand. Like this guy with the Lambo is actually flying me out when when I was again, I'm saying I'm about the same age as him when when we were younger in 2005. There weren't if I talked to

1:18:33an attractive woman. I'm like, how many guys have in the last year offered to fly you somewhere? I'm not saying that they flew. I'm saying how many have offered? It's 10, 20, 30, 40, 50. That didn't exist before, man. That didn't exist. And I just it's so crazy when I listen to Mary people, you don't understand what happened. When I explain what happened when wall, what happened to all the pop mom and shop mid-tier distributors when Walmart came out? They all went out of business. We understood that the globalization of shopping would cause Walmart to become I'm not Walmart. Forget Amazon. It would become Amazon to become huge. Walmart's like their only competitor, but everything had conglomerated to a few different funds. For some reason, how do we not recognize that social media did the exact same thing to dating? Yeah. And it's easy for you to say that's not true when you're married. But if you're not married and you're out here in these streets, I'm not complaining. Like I have no trouble meeting women. You want to know why? Because I fix myself with your media because I have incredible events because I have really, really cool friends. I have access to everyone and I have 500 women who will introduce me to other women. I'm not

1:19:34complaining because I have a problem. I'm complaining because I have 4700 clients and they constantly have the same complaint. When I go out with these women, they're vapid. They can't get off their phone. They're in a place where every single one of them thinks that they can date a soup, a mega millionaire. All of them think they dated billionaires and none of them dated millionaires. It's so crazy. They're sleeping with a guy and they tell everyone they're dating him and they were never dating him. He was just cheating on his wife with you and they're just living in this unbelievable level of cope and it's not club girls. It's every woman I'm meeting. And so that's the issue. When I saw that, I remember thinking that like, yo, I don't know how to say this respectfully, but Adam's 100% right here. Well, look, I, again, a past a man. I just think, like, friends, I'm not going to go up and give a lecture of speech on what it's like to build a billion dollar business. No, I went to the vault. This, this, to, to listen to Pat say that because he cleared again. I listened to Pat one of those times and he said some things. I'm going to completely change my business from something Pat said

1:20:38this week. It's absolutely 100%. You were asking me what I learned. It is so obvious to me that not only is Pat smarter than me. He is so much more organized than I am. It is, it is the organization and the way he delegates genius. But when I'm trying to go up to a two set at encore beach club, don't, like, I'm sorry, going into telling her how I feel about her is not the thing and what they, it does it work. I think ultimately the game has changed. Yes. And, and social media, I'll give you an example. When I was in college at Florida State as gorgeous women, the girl that I dated for three years was 12 out of 10. Yeah. Like part of the reason that I'm confident or go to the women or whatever it is these days is because I had this ridiculously beautiful girlfriend that somehow liked me. Yes. And picked me out because I was funny or whatever it was. I didn't have money. I didn't have, I'm not, I'm not Brad Pitt. I'm a funny, cool dude that she, for whatever reason she liked. Yeah. There's almost a guarantee I wouldn't get that girl these days.

1:21:41Why? Because she was so hot and so beautiful and so cool. The stimulus she was at. She would have been on Instagram and guys around the world would have been hollering around the world. So, so, and she had her pick of the litter. Yeah. For from 30,000 dudes in Tallahassee, Florida. Yeah. And that that's probably very limited these days. I want to make sure we understand because people are going to watch this and they're going to think we're pretending to be victims. We're not. Oh, you're doing grist. Like the girls I'm seeing now are all tens all of them. I'm not complaining. I'm explaining this to you from the opposite side. I'm explaining to you Chris Brown saying these they loyal. He's not saying these they loyal because they weren't loyal to him. He's saying these they loyal because he's the one they cheated with. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. I'm not telling you that your girl going on a girl's trip to Vegas is bad because my girlfriend cheated on me on a girl's trip to Vegas. I'm telling you because I live in Las Vegas. I'm on stage. You are on stage with me. Yeah. Those girls around us. Those were someone's girl. How do you that's my point,

1:22:42bro? People are not hearing what I'm trying to say. I'm not telling you this because I'm hurt. I'm telling you this because I'm winning and I'm explaining to you why I'm winning and why most men aren't. This comes back to that initial word we use which is strategy. Yes. It's strategic. But hold on, hold on. But the mainstream dating coach tells you dating is not strategic. It tells you it's organic. I don't know what the dating coaches are teaching. I listen to what you say. But you have to have a strategy. Yes. It's kind of like the politician, the old politician, the Republican old politician that goes, listen, you got to get out there and you got to shake hands, you got to get boots on the ground, you got to kiss some babies. It's like then you got Spencer Pratt that's like, no, bro, I'm just going to make the most banger social media videos and rocket. Now obviously he's in California and good luck out there. But the old processor, the old system, you can't really use that anymore. You can understand what that was and use sort of time tested principles in life to use that moving forward. But the game is changed.

1:23:44Unless you update your processor, you're probably going to fall for the waste. Dating in Miami. Like overall, can you explain the vicissitudes, the difficulties? I don't know what vicissitudes are. The difficulties, the problems. Miami's a playground for adults. Yeah. And when you're competing in the big leagues, you're competing, like, let me put, you're an average 25 year old dude, 30 year old guy. Let's just put myself in those guys shoes. You're competing with recent college graduates and you're competing with a 65 year old guy worth $100 million with a yacht. Yes. You're all competing. So what's your competitive advantage? Do you know a lot of people? Do you have money? Are you good looking? Are you funny? What's in your charisma? Do you have connections? Like, what is it? The thought that I'm just going to go out with some clothes on, normal guy, no strategy,

1:24:50no connections, no money. And then you're just going to go out there and get a dime piece. Just be yourself, bro. It just be yourself. Is it is a logical? Because even when I used to do the saucecast and everything is like, I would always say, getting paid, getting laid, and doing it your way. That's what I would say. Because at the end of the day, it's trip out all the other stuff that we do in life. The average dude out there wants to make money, have a hot girl, and do what he wants in life. That's great. But how do you get that? Yeah. How do you do that? Just like in finance or in career, you need to have a strategy. You don't just go up to a client and be like, Hey, I want your business. Let's go, baby. You don't go up to a hot girl and be like, Hey, me, you, what's going on? There needs to be a strategy. So I'm not the doomsday guy. I'm not the black pill guy. I have a lot of friends out there that are doing well, like younger guys that I coach, like not even like coaching coaching, just talk to on our connect app. But Miami is the big leagues. It's like saying, how are you going to get minutes playing for the

1:25:54Lakers? Yeah. You know, if you go down and play at the triple A mudhead and so whatever it is, yeah, you might get some at bats. You want to go up and and hit for the Yankees, but you better practice. You better be in the bullpen because when your time comes, you better be ready to put in the game. Yeah. And I just look at it like, do you want to be a small fish and a small pond? Do you want to be in a small fish and a big pond? Or you want to be a big fish and a big pond? It's up to you. I remember being a small fish and a big pond. I've always lived in Miami. And I said one of these days, I want to be a big fish and a big pond. And it happened. The only difference is it took 24 years. Yeah. And a lot of guys in their microwave, a hustle society, I want to have rich, get rich quick. And I want to have all the good things in life. And I just buy a shit going and all of a sudden my gazillionaire. Yeah, that doesn't really work that way. There's time tested principles that that the, you know, you said this all the time in the in the red pill man is for a world. Men are status objects and women are beauty objects. Yeah. And I'm a loose side of that. So a man needs to increase their status in the marketplace. And a woman needs to sort of

1:26:56maintain her beauty. How many 40 year olds girls that used to be pretty out there? The average guy goes, you know, she used to be a dime piece. And I remember there's one story that kind of like imprinted in my mind. And this is kind of like maybe a lesson guys will resonate with. It's a few years ago, my buddy Alex, so I shouldn't say his name, my buddy. Little overweight, bald, made some money. Not the guy that the average girl would be like, that's my guy. What is he built up his way? There was another girl that I tried to set him up with. This girl was 10 out of 10 in high school. Yeah. She would have never paid him any attention. Yeah. 10, 15 years ago, zero. But now she's a little bit older. She doesn't look as good. She's about the head 40. He's 40 on his assent. And I say to him, hey, meet Christy over here. Yeah.

1:27:58He goes, yeah, she's all right. I go get a little respect for Christy. It's so great. This girl was the homecoming scene. Yeah. Yeah. This girl was had everyone sliding in her DM, so to speak. And you think that you're too good for Christy, you get over there right now, you get her number right now. You remember, it's like, all right, fine. And that's where we're at in society. Is the girls were hop 20 years ago. They're no longer hot, but they still think. You remember my girlfriend when she came on your show, my ex girlfriend, she came on your show. She was like, she saw pictures of me when she was 21. She was on your show. And she looked at pictures of me when I was 21. She goes, oh my god, you're so cute. I would have dated you. And I was like, you wouldn't have hissed on me if I was on fire at 21. I had to do so much work to get to this point. I'm going to say a couple of names and then you just tell me what you think about him. Okay. Candace Owens. Talented liar. What do you think about Andrew? Stud, controversial. And he's so talented. He's so good that sometimes he doesn't know when

1:29:04to just zip it. Yeah. And you know, he's, he's Icarus that flow too close to the sun. Yeah. He's got these wings, but you don't. Routing for the guys, rooting for Tristan, rooting for them hardcore. They made some questionable decisions after they kind of were in the clear, like calling out the Santas. I don't think was the best move. Here's Morgan. Here's Morgan. Pierce is about Pierce. That's it. Niquentes. Ha gifted and virgin. Once that guy, you know, has his aha moment in life. Well, I want to I want Nick to fall in love with a girl and find out she's Jewish. And then here's the whole world gets rocked by a hot piece of ass who actually is Jewish.

1:30:08And he's going to be like, what the thing? The thing super talented, but a little divisive. Charlie Kurt. The goat, the frickin' best man. Love that guy. Spend time with him. Advocate for him. Even though there's only one disagreement I ever had with Charlie. Everything he said I agree with, you know. He the only disagreement I actually had with Charlie because he's so good and retroactively looking back at him. It's like it's even better. Yeah. He would say, you know, step one, get married. And step two, build you, I'd be like Charlie. Respect. Okay, I see. I love you, dog. I agree. Totally. Build yourself, build a business, become that dude. Then you'll have more options. Yes. Then you get married. Yeah. But again, with Charlie, when you're six foot five, eloquent speaker, have this amazing business. It's a little bit easier for you than some deep or whatever it is. So that was the only disagreement that I had with Charlie.

1:31:11But one of one the best. Either on the show or when you do other interviews, what is a question you wish you were asked more? A question that I wished I would ask more. Wow, this is good. Look, in today's age of social media and everything is online, we lose sight that sitting across somebody, having actual friendships, relationships, real, tangible, substantive friendships and relationships is the cornerstone of life for me. Like, what is the ultimate happiness? It's sitting with my boys, Andrews, laughing. So I'm just like, you ever knew in those situations is like, this is amazing. I think, I don't know if it's a question or was asked more. I think people have understand is like, your friends, the deep relationships that you have, I'm still best friends with the guys I'm with the kindergarten with. And that to me is something that is lacking.

1:32:15You see the stats that like in the 1990, the average guy had five close friends. And now it's one close friend. In 1990, a guy knew a hundred different people. Now today it's five different people. Like, we've lost the ability to understand what real relationships are. And as we're getting closer to AI and honestly stuff that I don't fully even understand, we're losing like that ability to understand these friendships are the most important things in your life, friendships, partnerships, relationships. That's going to take you throughout life. And all this other, you know, stuff can come and go. What's an uncomfortable truth you believe in? Uncomfortable truth that I believe in. Well, these days, you know, I just came back from Israel. And I was on Pierce Morgan while I was there. And I was debating, this was a right around July 4th. I was debating, you know, the Jake Weggers of the world and the Israel haters of the world. And they say, I'm super pro American, bro. I'm Jewish. But like,

1:33:17my entire life is in Miami and as an America. I've spent been to Israel four times collectively, maybe two months. I'm American. I'm not as really. They went around asking people, what's the best country in the world after America? Right? Like, what's your favorite country? And someone said Canada. Someone said Korea. I don't even know what it was. And I was like, oh, Israel. There was a lot of people. I go, it's the only democracy in the Middle East. The women are, and this is coming from a guy who lives in Miami and spends time in Vegas, LA, New York. The most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. It's incredible. And shout out to you, Israel. They don't do hook up culture. I wish they did. They're so beautiful. All the women serve in the army. They're so smart. They're so talented. And you have the best of both worlds. You have Tel Aviv, which is like basically Miami. You drop someone in Tel Aviv. It's like, yeah, I'm in Miami. And then you have Jerusalem. And why do I say Israel that you said what is like an

1:34:22uncomfortable truth? There's a lot of Israel haters these days. And a lot of it is just based on emotion or some TikTok video or just fabricated lies. In Israel, in Jerusalem, you have Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs, Jews, Asian people all over the world honoring the Bible. Yeah. So I don't know how close you are to the Bible. But here's what I would encourage. If you're a Christian and you believe that Jesus is the Son of God or God manifested and you have to go to Israel, why would I say something like that? Now, when I've been to Israel, I've done like the Jewish things and I've done to the party things. This time I deliberately did all the Christian tours. Yeah. I did all the Christian things. Starting in Jerusalem, I touched the tomb of Jesus. Touched the tomb. You're there walking in the city of David, the archaeological site,

1:35:23where they found where Jesus and everyone basically in the Bible would go make pilgrimage to the temple. I went to the sea of Galilee where Jesus walked on water and calmed the storm. I went to Nazareth. I saw these sites. Yeah. And the way I looked at it is as I'm coming as a student of history out of respect. But also I'm Jewish. I'm proud of you. I have a massive respect for Christians. But I wanted to go back and tell P.B.D. and Tom and Vinnie and all my friends out there what it's like and what it feels like if you as a Christian walk in the footsteps of Jesus. This is what Charlie Kirk talked about. If you're Christian and you believe that Jesus is your Messiah, is your Lord and you can go touch and walk and feel what this guy has done. You have to go. And that's uncomfortable to hear for some people. But it's the truth. There are the people who are saying species things. Obviously we talked about this before. But do you have this discussion? Because I know you're you're not extreme right-winger neither am I. And the idea

1:36:27that you can understand how some people might question why Israel is still in Gaza or whether or not Israel still has a reason or has any influence over us invading Iran or do you think that there's just nothing behind that? Oh no Israel has interests in that region. I'm not saying do you ever question why are they still in Gaza after this amount of time with like no really military objective that I can understand? Well they're trying to basically demilitarize and de-radicalize Gaza. Yeah. And without getting to geopolitical I'll tell you a story because I don't think we fully understand what it's like there. Because I went to Gaza and I went to Syria. I mean the borders I'm not talking in but I went to the border and I see what's going on. And Jerusalem you know East Jerusalem is the West Bank. It's the West Bank of the Jordan River but it's East Jerusalem. I know that's complicated. And Jerusalem is divided into four quarters. There's the Jewish quarter,

1:37:31the Christian quarter, the Armenian quarter, and the Muslim quarter. So they're all there. I'm having lunch at a ridiculous house in the foot, the tops of the mountains in Jerusalem. And if you go, if you ever see my Instagram I have like two big machine guns. Yeah. And I'm like if you go if you're not you feel like you're unsafe I got you kind of a thing. And I'm with all these soldiers having lunch. These are Jews from all over the world that volunteer for the IDFs and from Australia, South Africa, America, what happened. And we're sitting at lunch and I hear in the backdrop. You hear this. I mean like it's like from here to the MGM for you. It's close but not that close. We're not worried about that unless there's missiles. And me I'm like what the what is that? But I thought there's a ceasefire. They go there is a ceasefire. I go who's shooting? It's bullets crazy. They go oh you're so cute. You don't know what that is. That's that's warlord

1:38:35gang warfare. Palestinians killing other Palestinians. I said what do you mean? They go what do you mean? What do I mean? They go in their thick as really accents. They do you ever go to LA? I go yeah of course they go well in LA you have the blad's and you have the creeps and they kill each other. You get it? I go yeah of course it goes well in the Palestinians you have Hamas you have Islam and jihad you have all these different groups and guess what they do do to each other they kill each other. So a lot of times we're not worried about them killing us. We're trying to save them from killing each other. And he gives us breakdown and I'm like those are the things you don't hear right is that you think that it's just Jews and great and and Muslim killing each other. No no no no. If left to their own volition they will kill each other and that's what I realized is that if you have the barbarians at the gate killing each other and trying telling you that you're going to kill them they're going to kill you. Yeah.

1:39:38What are you going to do? Sit back and ultimately my final point on that is I think you ever see the movie The Bronx Tale? No. Oh my god you have this in this movie. They said you know is it better to be uh is it better to be liked or is it better to be respected? Yeah. And he goes I'll give you a shabby and liked. I won't respect. And in my opinion this I'm not Israeli I don't represent the idea there's nothing. I think the overall sentiment of the country and I've spent a lot of time with people there was there for two weeks they're like yeah we'd like to be liked but we'd rather be respected and you're going to respect what we got going on the easy way or the hard way and that's ultimately what it comes down to. What is the most in a misunderstood thing about you? The most in the misunderstood thing about me so I'll be vulnerable for a second. Okay. Uh the the most misunderstood misunderstood thing about me

1:40:41is what I needed to understand about myself. So I mean so Pat's big on scoring and giving feedback and we had this report that they scored everyone on the podcast the likability authenticity you know readiness prepared smart whatever and my scores were you know not not not the best and I did an exercise with with Jade in my assistant Jade and who you know is Marcelo was what he used to be. I said Jade now need you to help me I need you to be brutally honest with me. You see me on the podcast we also know me in real life. Yeah. I want you to grade me on these five categories on the podcast and grade me in these five categories in real life and he gave me grades and blah blah blah blah and the two scores that I was the lowest on the podcast were the two scores that I was the highest in real life and I go interesting. So I realized the culmination of six years of debating and fighting and

1:41:46think about it. We started during the election and then there's COVID and then there's October 7th and then there's another election. It's like it gets very testy and argumentative. Yes. And so people on the podcast think he's got a fine he's arguing he's mean he's been spirited and that that was my lowest scores like ability and in real life my highest scores right. Hey what's up. Yeah. And it made me switch boom you don't have to be an actor when you're debating and I kind of switched up I realized bro because you'll appreciate this when you're on the assent can't be too nice. Yeah. When you're when you're other than me on the PPD podcast I'm the the original co-host since 2020. Yeah. We've had 50 other co-hosts but I'm there at the same time and every single person wants my job and why is this guy here? What's this? There are many people have asked Pat the

1:42:48firing me how many people said why this guy here and Pat has said Adam might be wrong when I'm not firing him on certain things and had to take a long look at the mirror and say Adam your position safe unless you screw it up just be nice be likeable be fun be who you are in real life and that that that shifted about three months ago or so so now like even when I was on Axis Vegas the other day yeah I'm just trying to have fun. Yes. That's why I'm in real life I want to joke and I realized about me you said misunderstood I realized when I sat down in the chair I would become a different person I'd be coming out I brought a debate this was going on remember I told you in debates it's not about winning the point or winning beating person you're debating it's about winning the audience. Yeah I have I've found that out the hard way a few times yeah yeah how so. I just I got every single thing right and then people still hated me yeah I bet that happened. So being likeable and being nice yeah it is actually a good thing don't be too nice though no moments to nice guy but I value

1:43:52the audience I value people listening I value people's opinions I I'm not going to change who I am but it's it's one of those things we're recognizing where you can improve and this is going to circle back yeah it's going to be full full arc I could have said oh they're just hating on me because of x, y and z they're hating mommy I'm on these positions because I'm Jewish on this it's like no maybe an element but maybe they're hating on you because you're actually being an and I was like oh that could be it so now try to be nice where can people find you PPD podcast value tainment and you have some new ideas coming up right yeah my my my money course everything I've been working on for five years is launching by before the end of the year so stay tuned for that but you can follow me on all social platforms south talks money sos talks money beautiful guys thank you guys for joining me again where my favorite people laying out with he is a connector if you guys want to see a great example of a guy who's a connector who's super

1:44:53affable it's one of the best examples and also like you know I one of the things I do appreciate you is that like I can have moderate opinions with you whereas I have so I express certain things with other people they think I'm crazy and I think you're right I'm right pillagetit just like you know you said the same thing I could be friends with Nick Fuentes and I could be friends with Ben Shapiro that's exactly my point and and like I'm by the way I'm not best friends with either of those guys but I can be in their company and have reasonable conversations yes and try to be a synergist in a world that's trying to just be divisive beautiful thank you guys for joining us we'll see you all next week bye