Jake Abdo - The Michael Sartain Podcast

0:00Welcome back guys. This week I got somebody on big fan of his content. Very controversial. I reached out to him. He actually made a clip and he mentioned me in the clip. So I immediately reached out to him. He flew out here. We're going to have him on Access Vegas and excited to have him here on the show. Please welcome Jake Abdo. How you doing Jake? Very good. How are you? Good man. Good. 19 books. You got 19 books. You're written? I think so. Yeah. At this point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you? So it was one of my best friends. He's written six. Yeah. They're long. So look, these these these books are all my original ideas. Yeah. They come from being a lengthy interview with AI. Yeah. The AI extrapolates on the ideas and it delivers all of my ideas. Basically. So, you know, you know, the it extrapolates on the ideas to get the length. But these are all my ideas. So my

1:00audience, you can't write 19 books. Of course. Of course. You know, I mean, like in my audience, we do a lot of AI stuff. So what what specifically is your stack for writing a bus? So just a long interview based on one thesis. I'll give one thesis to Claude code. Yeah. And then I'll and I'll have it like basically pick my second brain all of my past content. Yeah. And so it doesn't get redundant and it abstracts novel ideas and concepts from the thesis after this maybe like 22 questions, 25 questions that it interviews me on. And then it'll flesh out out of outline. And then I'll edit it. And then it'll write chapter by chapter. And I'll edit like revise it. I'll make a go paragraph by paragraph. Right. It writes one paragraph. And I say, I don't like this. I don't like this. And it has an extremely long ban list of language. Right. So AI tells you just like that I hate, you know, like preambles or like clope throat clearing. We call it land acknowledgments. Yeah. Every time a mall would open, they have to say we'd like to think the Native American tribe is to live here. It's always on the list. So it's always. Yeah. This apology you have to give disclaimer. Oh, yeah. So I've found a great I've found some great

2:03prompt work around to get it to not be woke. And you said you tried deep seek and that also helps. Deep seek is not woke deep seek and grog. Yeah. To be not be woke. The Chinese models don't give a fuck about our wokeness. Yeah. In our culture. Yeah. They don't. So because like I tell people all the time because some people don't deep seek it. I'm like deep seek does not give a fuck about the news in this country and all the biases. Yeah. So I love using deep seek. Yeah. Yeah. It rarely censors my at all. Yeah. So that's that's basically it. Um, you can't write 19 books six months. Of course. But the books are all my original ideas. And I just have a lot of ideas. I love that. Yeah. That's really great. Um, there's one book. It's like is is is pimping and a save. So yeah, pimping is the only thing that gets pimping is the one thing that can save masculinity. And I think this is like wild because look in a world where most women are practically openly escorts. It seems to be the winning strategy would be to be a pimping. Right. You are making some individual people on my team very happy right now. And the funny thing is is like, uh, the girl I'm seeing and she very much.

3:04So as a joke, one of my coaches said, Hey, I said to the girls like you should read this book by iceberg slim called Pimp. It's a great book written 1957. Great book. Um, and, uh, and then and I was like, there's no way she's going to read this. And so we kept challenging her. It was like, there's no. So she reads it. And then she starts using the terminology on me. She goes, I'm on the blade. She's like, where's my scratch, Michael? She's like, it was. She's like, what a job. You brother. She's right. I jive. It's so funny. That's hilarious. Yeah. But yo, like women fall in, like hopes fall in love with pimps. Why? Why do they? Like pimps and a real love relationship. They have a real relationship where they love each other. And they so, so look, um, um, pimps, frame is like undefeated. It's like cold as ice, like, like completely detached emotionless. And like, no, he doesn't put up with any. The American modern husband can learn a lot from the pimping how he deals with women. That is, uh, that is a clipable statement. Yeah. That's good stuff. Yeah.

4:06Um, you grew up and, um, so it's funny because I just had Ryan Pound all on. He had a situation where Grompin Canada, the teacher, uh, counselor said, oh, he's got problems. We're going to prescribe him Adderall. His dad said, no, would not let him do this. So you mentioned before previously that there was a diagnosis for you. And it, um, it, you go into that. Yeah. So they don't do a brain scan on you when they, when they say you have ADHD, they just say your kid is bouncing off the wall. So they're, they're, they're medicating boys for being boys. Uh, yeah. So I started on like riddling concert at Adderall when I was eight years old all the way through college. I mean, look, I probably wouldn't have got my mechanical engineering degree, but it wasn't for Adderall. Yeah. But, um, it's, so I think that they're, they're, they're making men more docile with these drugs. Yes. Don't really, they aren't really founded in, and like, where's the brain scan that proves that I, what is ADHD? Yeah. What is it? It's like, uh, neurodivergence, right? It's just these made up definitions. I think it's like a pseudoscience. I agree with the pseudoscience thing because, uh,

5:08one of the problems with the like a lot of psychology in general is that so if, if I run a business, I know what my PNL is. Right. There's an ROI. If you were to look at the entire marriage counseling industry as an industry, if you were to look at it and not just, you know, wave your hand away and say, oh, no, this, all of this helps. If you were to actually use testable metrics when it comes to marriage counseling, you would say, this is the biggest failure of an industry in modern history. Yeah. It seems like it doesn't, if you were to just, if, so I measure my business, by the effectiveness of my business, uh, social media growth, uh, PNL, etc. If you were to use the same metrics on things like behavioral science, you'd be like, this industry is a total and utter failure. And so what you said before, it's like, did the ridlin actually cause the behavior long term over 18 years that you were looking for? If somebody did these long-term, long-term longitudinal studies, they would find utter and complete failure. And the other thing is this,

6:10uh, one of the issues is, uh, and cestually, where was the riddling? Right. And cestually, and cestually, where was the therapist? Right. These things didn't exist. Yeah. That's true. And all of a sudden, they're introduced into this novel, uh, evolutionary market and that, uh, and now there's this mismatch. And you asked the question, here's one of my favorite sets. You know who speaks to it, Williams is the evolutionary sector. Yeah. Yeah. I do. An nominal. Yeah. Well, his book, Masterpiece just came out to call a billion years of sex differences, not available in the United States. I went, I got a copy from the UK and I read it. And one of the things they talk about is, uh, two things. Number one, men who attempt to take their own lives, 91% of them reach out for help before they do it. If 91% of them are still reaching out for help and still doing it, again, what is, how would you rate that as an industry? If 91% of men were reaching out for help and still attempted to take their own lives, how could they industry a racket? Number two, the, uh, in the most, in the societies where there are the most gender norms, meaning the most traditional

7:10societies, lowest rate of men trying to take their own lives. So again, it's the opposite of what the APA will tell you, which is traditional masculinity is harmful. Right. Stoicism is specifically harmful. In the nations where men are rewarded for being the most stoic, they're least likely to take their own lives and they're the least likely to be lonely. It's very obvious to guys like us. I feel like it's very obvious to guys like us that the problem is perpetuated by the problem solvers. That's it. Like it's, well, they have to make money. This is, they're running a business. Have you, um, have you, uh, when the whole thing about masculinity, have you looked into like testosterone estrogen and stuff like that? Like the fact that testosterone levels have dropped over the last seven years? Yeah. Yeah. So I have looked in this stuff, like in the food, in the plastics and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's, look, I think that guys want a point of finger and a lot of stuff. Yeah. Um, we know who a lot. Um, but I think that's the, that's the wrong path. Um, if you think that your testosterone is low on an individual basis, go get TRT. Yeah. Um, these problems are solvable within a man's mind in my, yeah, a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

8:14Yeah. But what I'm saying is going back to your original diagnosis. Um, it's so funny how things like ADD and depression get cured when you, when you have to go to Marine Club boot camp. Yeah, bro. This is incredible. Yeah. This is so simple. Like, but, but the, it's laziness. A lot of it's laziness. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I'm going to tell a depressed person to cheer up. Like, yeah, because it's, it can happen. It can't, look, I don't care if this is, like, insensitive or not. Like there is something underlying in here. Like you can, you can use force of will and like very baby steps. Like, for example, like if, when you go to the gym, you have to force yourself to go to the gym. Just get there. Just get one step into the gym. And then you're kind of forced to be there and you're going to do the gym, right? So set up that same scenario where you're like getting out of bed. You know what I mean? I don't know how, how you cured depression in this way. Like at, uh, at a steady rate, like consistently, but, I don't know. Maybe I'm just more masculine than most guys. But I think it's solvable in a man's mind. We'll see. I agree. But what you, I know you've mentioned evolution before in some of your

9:16content. And so I always say, where did this thing that you're trying to use to solve the problem? How did it's number one? How did it solve an insusable problem? So like women are being told to not have kids and women are suffering from more depression. Could there be a correlation? And then you ask that you go to back to first principles. How does not having children solve an insusable problem? It doesn't. Right. So you telling more, by the way, there are some women who don't want to have kids. I know a bunch of girls, you and I know a bunch of girls, sex workers, whatever they don't want to have kids. There's a bunch of women who don't want to have kids for whatever reason. Professional reasons, whatever. But what I'm saying is more women than would have normally chosen and not have kids are being told by wizard Liz by shea 7 by they're being told by, they're being told by what's her name Alex Cooper. They're being told by Shelby sap. They're being told by all these kinds of MJ Gray. Right. Don't have kids. Married just slavery. Don't do those things. And then those women immediately go off and get married. Well, yeah, because this is this is a mating strategy. Yeah. This is a mating strategy. They're trying to get women like don't have kids. You know, we want the guys that you want to have kids with. Like we want their kids. So this is all.

10:19Like so let's say save the good men. Yeah. Let's talk about the reasons behind this. Like why do why are women told this? Well, the atomization of couples, they want, they don't want people sharing expenses like more taxpayers, more tax dollars, right? So and not only a mating strategy, but women are just easily influenced. Right. So women and women are also the biggest consumers. They spend more money than that, right? Yeah. So why would they want the whole feminist movement is just a movement to diminish male authority. So male authority comes with a family, right? So they're just trying to diminish male authority. I think that's like the first, the root cause is that feminism tries to diminish male authority. I think Andrew Wilson talked about this. And I thought it was really interesting. Was this concept of the original women in the workforce in the 40s and 50s? Feminist saw it as a as a win. Not recognizing that it was capitalist trying to double the amount of labor that's in the market and lower the price of labor that they had to pay.

11:20But feminist thought that this was some kind of like feminist win for them. Yeah. And I think what you're saying is exactly the same situation. There's one study I thought is incredible. If Forbes does the study for working mothers and said how many of you if you had the option would want to stay at home if you could in 80, 3% of the women said that they could. Yeah. Meaning you have the feminist utopia. You have a child and you are a working mother. You have both. Right. And you would still prefer to stay home with the child. Who wouldn't? But with the according to them, it's slavery. According to them, it's I think that they're just like going along with the consensus. They have to say this to to maintain the sisterhood. It's it's a virtue signaling for the sisterhood. Yeah. Saying that this is slavery. But they all find it like women just have to say the noble thing. They have to say the thing that makes them look socially admirable. Right. They don't believe half of the that they say like we know this to be true. Like don't believe what women say. Watch what they do. Right. So watch what they what they choose is to not work. They want to be women. But they have to virtue signal to the sisterhood. Um, the your probation for seven years.

12:23What oh yeah. Oh my god. That was I was a kid. I was a kid. Just like a lot of so it was a bad kid. You know, like shoplifting drugs marijuana cocaine. Oh, I beat my god. I bashed my ex-girlfriends windshield out with a baseball bat on roller blades. That because she was someone in her car in front of my house. That was like 17 when I do that. And a drunk driving. Yeah. So I was yeah, I wasn't I wasn't a lot of trouble. Can you paint the picture? You're in Detroit. No, it was East Point is East to try East to try East to try. But yeah, yeah, I was on roller blades with a baseball bat looking for my girlfriend because I knew she was cheating on me and she was she was a guy in her car in front of my house. So I uh, bash the windshield. What is uh, what are the lessons you learned? Like obviously you you mentioned in previous podcasts the lessons you've learned from previous relationships. Yeah. And obviously you you have a different view on all that now. Sure. You're 44 now. No, no, no 38. 38 now. 38. 38. 38. And so you've learned a lot of

13:26lessons from that. Like what are what are the lessons that you learned from some of these early relationships? Um, the you have to conceal your jealousy. Jealousy is going to exist. You have to conceal your jealousy and you have to understand where it comes from because we we try like as men try and pass your jealousy off of something else like tradition or preference, right? What it really comes from a fear of inadequacy and and a fear of competition. So I think that if you if you face, so I think what I've learned from my relationships is that you have to be like radically vulnerable with yourself. A man has to be radically vulnerable with himself and accept the truth about the world. The more truth that a man exposes himself to the stronger he will become you. He you kind of come into this like unbreachable constitution where you truly become invulnerable once you because you've made peace with the fact that injustice will happen. Women will hurt you. Women will lie. Make peace with all of this and then it's no longer a shadow for you. So I think that like I'm not scared of women. I've visited the difference. I'm not afraid of I know that women will hurt me. A woman that cannot hurt me is a woman that cannot love me.

14:27Right? So men, a lot of half of my audience, they want the Virgin Mary. Yeah. They want a woman that cannot hurt them. They are afraid of being hurt. That's it. They are some some of these men are profoundly traumatized by women. Right? But they need to understand that a woman that cannot hurt you is a woman that cannot love you and they just want a risk-avoidant relationship. That's how boring would that be with to be with a woman they can't hurt you. Yeah. They don't know how boring it is until they have it. Yeah. And then they they're chasing other women. If I had a woman who couldn't hurt me, I don't think that I would care that much about what she thought. I want a woman who's like, I can't believe a woman that hot is in my house. That is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So men men think that that's what they want. Just it's almost like how women think that that's what they want to. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think this is just like so I think that social media especially like the algorithm for men and women. It like it serves to drive a wedge between men and women. Keep them protecting themselves and and basically like girl power content

15:28and boy power content is just trying to drive this wedge further. Right? But I think it hurts men especially because of the feminized institutions where men are coming out. They they think that they're doing everything right. And then they are confused and they're on the internet looking for answers, looking for guys like me and you. You know it's funny. So some of the things that you've said the algorithm trying to separate men and women documented in Deborah Sowe's book, Sextinction that just came out recently also in the the anxious generation by Jonathan Hight, you saying that women are followers? Guess what? Big five personality traits documented in Steve Stewart Williams, a billion years of sex differences. The funny thing is when moderates or PhDs are academics say when they when they go into the data they find what we're saying. Yeah. They just use different words. Yeah. The lands heart of the hands, Larsen, GSS study that came out that clearly definitively based on women's it's based on female reporting on how many sexual

16:29partners they've had. They figured out that the top 10% most promiscuous men are having 58% of all sexual interactions. The top 1% are having 20% of the sex. It's a gold rush for men. Yeah. Yeah. It's exactly the over the last 20 years. The top 10% of the men, the number of the sexual partners is going up by a third and the bottom third is going down by a third. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a gold rush for men. Right. And this is this is what feminism calls empowerment. Right. But this is embarrassing for women in my mind. This is really, really embarrassing. So the I see it like this like 30 years ago women didn't have this finish line ready to wait at. Right. So hypergamy has always existed. But like back in the day women would weigh that against opportunity costs because what like the what if you end up with nothing so they would find a man and they would invest in this man they would find a man with potential and like stuck by his word but all of these have gone out the window. So and the man of realize his pattern right they see and they only they use the women for as long as they're useful and then they're gone and then these women are like why can't I find an emotionally available man. But by the way there's no such thing as emotionally unavailable man.

17:33You're just not hot enough. You're not good enough women. That's that's true. No such thing is emotionally. He's just emotionally unavailable to you. He will be emotionally available to someone. He's just like there's no such thing as a woman who doesn't want a relationship just doesn't want one with you. Exactly. Yeah. Precisely. Yeah. So there's a lot of these lies that happen on both sides. You know, I think there's a lot of cope and a lot of grifting on both sides. Yeah. For sure. But that's the way you get popular. Yeah. There's nothing I've said this before and I'm I'm going to get in trouble one day when people figure out who they are. I've got two really good friends who make women pandering content. Yeah. Knowing they like Michael. I love your content. I don't believe any of the shit. Yeah. They are mega viral. I thought about doing it. Mega viral on TikTok. On TikTok specifically. Yeah. What you said. Ninety five percent of transactions on TikTok are from females. So if you make content they like like say to someone like Christy Cupari who just says under and complete non-scientific nonsense. Just women. Yes. You go. Yeah. Right. And the guys they don't realize, hey, none of these women are going to sleep with you. I know that's why you made this content first place. And the women don't understand, hey, you're being taught to not take

18:38accountability for any of your actions. Right. But because you're watching his ish ish ish ish ish getting propped, propped up and my stuff is getting pushed to the bottom and I'm just quoting peer review data. Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, yeah, well women don't like logic. We know this because because what does logic feel like you can't feel logic. They don't use it. The difference between man hating and woman hating though is that man hating by women on the internet is actually and I'm convinced of this is that man hating by women on the internet is just this elaborate foreplay. This elaborate romantic scenario where a man, an impressive man comes and wins her over. Wow. Yeah. Winning her over. This is this is because women have to create this perfect romantic scenario. They're making these scenarios up all the time like when they, for example, when a woman fuck you, if she doesn't like you that much, she's going to think that you're the fuck neighbor or her boss or something. Yeah. She's imagining this. She's this isn't elaborate. This is foreplay for her. All this man hating. It's foreplay for when the guy finally comes and sweeps her off the feet off of her feet and makes her forget all this man hating. So it's it's it's it's Shelby sap.

19:41It's it's Alex Cooper. It's it's it's it's it's what's it? I'm telling you all these so Shelby stop got into a relationship with a male model after saying guys like that you shouldn't be with Alex Cooper went on her show talking about don't get married don't have kids got married. She's with a guy now MJ Gray literally got engaged after straight up saying that the institution of marriage was like slavery. Yeah, it's it's a dragon on top of the guard tower. Bro, this is it. Wizard Liz Wizard Liz went and told guys that you should women she shouldn't get married then ended up getting with a guy named Lynn and had a baby with him and now she can't see her kid because he's in the States and she's outside of the States. It's exactly what you're saying. Yeah, basically created the moat and the castle. Yeah. For the night to come in and then save them. Exactly. And then it doesn't end up the way they wanted to because this like here's the thing. I love this this analogy I heard once. If someone came to you and said, Hey man, we want you to run our law school. You'd be like, I'm a man. I'm like, I would look around like, is this a joke? I don't have a lot of grief. I know I'm not qualified for this job. But somehow Megan the

20:45stallion thought that she was qualified to have a six foot eight guy who makes 200 who it was work 200 million dollars. Right. It's like they're not there's no self awareness like. No, there's none. I'm a massively promiscuous super masculine, extremely aggressive woman. But a guy who could have anyone is going to choose me after I I've traced songs and then he shoots me in the leg. Yeah, but she would not trace songs. Uh, Tori lanes. Yeah. Yeah. That's the story lanes and then story lane shoots me in the feet. Yeah. But somehow she thought she didn't have any like she protected. She's protected by culture. If if all of a sudden, uh, Megan Fox started messaging you and me like, Hey, I just want to come over and smash you would be like, Hey, some things something's wrong. Is this a joke? Exactly. We have an awareness. We have enough awareness to direct to say, Hey, I shouldn't be that in charge of this law school. This famous movie star is not going to mess. But for some reason, completely opposite. For some reason, Wizard Liz thought that a man who writes poetry about her and then says everything she wants is like he's going to be normal. And then when it falls apart, then you're just like confused. Like, no, you weren't

21:49qualified for this ending that you thought you were supposed to get because you, all you do is promote man hate and promiscuity online. Who's to blame for this? Exactly. Who's to blame for this? I think it's the father. It's it's it starts with the father. So look, a young girl in the modern era, she goes through this assembly line in life where her consequences have no cost. There's she has no cost to lie, right? The public schools, the media, there's there's nothing asked of her. There's women are not asked to to be anything anymore. They're not asked to have virtue. They're not asked. They're just encouraged to be ratchet. So like her her her feminized father who look, all it all it takes is a man that will hold her accountable and basically be willing to walk away and high value enough where she doesn't want him to leave. Once the cost of her being full exceeds the cost of her being real, then she'll actually she'll realize what lying is. Women will realize what lying is when the stakes are high enough. Until then, it's like this fuzzy

22:52moral space for them almost. But like when the stakes are high enough, when they really really like a guy, that's when they may be held accountable for themselves. The can you talk about this? You ended up going to jail the first time. What was that experience like? Did it teach you anything? What caused you to end up going in the first place? Oh, just like a violation probation. I think it was because I bashed the window out on that car. But like she was they do in front of your house. What? How does the judge not hear that and be like, I mean, I kind of get it. You know, don't do it again. Yeah, the court systems all about money. They just want money. But yeah, so I did five months in McCone County jail. I'm kidding. By the way, don't smash any things. Yeah, don't do. Yeah, yeah. Be non reactive. Yes. Be non reactive. But I did five months. And for I think like three and a half of those months, my my bunkie was a pimped like a six foot six freaking overweight pimped like Bob, Bob. Yeah. Crazy guy. Yeah. But he look, we didn't really like chat that much. I just listened. I just I was this bunkie. You know, he's there

23:54talking to other guys all the time. And I just really just listened a lot because I was scared. I was scared. I was like, I was 21 years old, bro. Like extremely scared. But I was always in natural. So like a lot of the stuff made a lot of sense to me. A lot of the one thing that he taught me was like, if a man can't control himself, he's going to try and control a woman. Yeah. That's that's and that was that was the biggest thing that I learned coming out of jail when I was 21 years old. That you got to be able to control yourself. If not, you're going to try and basically this is how a man validates himself and doesn't seek validation from a woman. That's the man that does well with women. Yeah. He doesn't need anything from the. Doesn't need anything from her. Right. That's the only guy that can lead her. Right. That's kind of what I learned. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty. That's intuitive when you think about that, you know, having your own internal locus of control. Right. When you say, because one of your rules is never go through her phone. Never. That would be I don't have control of myself. So I need to try to control her. Also, I think that no one in the world can compete with me. Like I so I have this installed delusion that I'm the best. Thank you.

24:55Yes. Yes. That I'm the very best. Yeah. Look, even if she was talking to someone, okay, it's me though, you know, what a, you know, like it's a joke. Have you heard her mozy talks about this? Is like what? Or it was actually her mozy and it was Tom Bill. He talked about I don't believe in things that don't serve me. Yeah. Yeah. If I have a sales guy and he believes in astrology, good. Whatever you want to believe in astrology and it makes you crush it, sales. Absolutely. Or it's the majorly hitter, the cleanup hitter who has all the superstitious. He does. Yeah. Do it, bro. Yeah. Right. And for me, it's like what you just said before, I have guys come to me and it's like, Michael, I went and did this thing and the girl didn't like me. And I'm like, I don't receive in my mind that she doesn't like me. Not at all. I don't hear the other people in the place. The big muscular guy next to me, his existence means nothing to me. Sure. And I just don't, and people hear that and they're like, Michael, you're not, that's delusional. I'm like, I don't, what you're saying is so unhelpful for your success. Stop believing in stop knowing how popular this guy next to you is or how big this guy's muscles are or how much

25:55money this guy has or whether or not this guy has drugs. Stop noticing that I can be completely and totally impervious. Your own, like mental self control. And the thing is what you said, you had Bob, the Pimp, yeah, I had a bunch of club promoters that I knew and these dudes were like 5455 and they'd bang hundreds and hundreds of beautiful women. And I'd watch and I'd be like, yeah, what is going on here? And you talked to them and it was, you realize it was like this level of delusional confidence. And you're like, wait, how can you believe that? That's crazy. And then you watch the success they have. And you're like, Oh, they don't believe in things that don't serve them. Exactly. They only believe things that serve them. I talk about this all the time. It's like, I'm on a date with a girl and I look over to the right in the car. I'm like, she's about to have the greatest night of her life. I'm so happy for her because of that happiness. She even if it isn't true, absolutely, this is the most fun night she's ever going to. It doesn't matter if it's true. It's so true in my mind, though. It's still so true. It doesn't really register as on true. At all, I just think of the greatest of all time. And like, look, rappers, all rappers will say, I'm the greatest rapper of all time. This is the same thing. You have to have this, you have to have

26:56this self belief. It all starts with belief, bro. It all starts with belief. Like women, this is what women, this is pretty much the only thing that women really respond to is that you are certain of yourself. Yeah. If you are uncertain of yourself, the woman is, it goes dry. It just, it just happens. So women are attracted to power, women are attracted to power. The moment that you start giving women women power, they start becoming unattractive. Yeah. So this is really, really hard for men to do. It's extremely hard for men to do because they were taught to give women power and women heat having a choice. The same as the same woman who will tell you to give her power will be unattractive. It's not even a TikTok algorithm. It's literally you're talking to her and she is literally giving you a roadmap to make her unattractive to you. Yes. Complete. And you not doing that is maintaining frame. That's it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Basically, yeah. And frame just means that you decide what reality is. So if you were holding the frame and someone says, you can't say that, you can't say that. You're like, well, what do you mean I can say that? You know, it's only a

27:58violation of their frameholder. But look, I think guys would just do very well. If they literally did the opposite of women told them, if you just stuck to this one rule of thumb and only did the opposite, you're going to have more success than failure. You were a rapper. So you mentioned, yeah, I was. You're a rapper in Detroit. Yeah. Yeah. It was a batter rapper in Detroit. So talk about that. Oh, look, I just, I'm really, really obsessive with what I do. So I just, I just started being very, very obsessive. So batter rap, acapella premeditated batter rap, where you know your opponents was like popular for like some years, but it's like, it's almost like professional wrestling. It's really, really nerdy and it's really, really niche and it's a bunch of guys that watch anime and show. But like, but it was fun. And I like was very, I was like the most disrespectful white boy in Detroit. I was disrespectful as, yeah, but like, it's really crazy with batter rap. So I, this completely killed all my social anxiety, like not like at the risk of choking in front of hundreds of black people in Detroit. You know, so I'm not afraid to say anything. You cannot offend me. And like, it's crazy.

29:00All the guys we try and kill each other on stage. And then we step it up and we're homies after. Yeah. This is just like, and women do not understand this. Like they don't understand how a sports team can go out on the field and like beat each other's bodies up for three hours and then hug afterwards. They don't understand like concepts like sportsmanship. It's like, they don't, they don't understand that there's a code that men live by that delegates what they do. They don't, they cannot fathom this. They cannot live by a code. I don't think. Um, so you talk about, uh, having a chemical or a drug addiction or a, um, you go to rehab. I did go to rehab for alcohol. Yeah. For alcohol. Yeah. For alcohol. Yeah. And the reason I'm bringing this up is jail rehab. And then you end up going back to school. Yeah. And getting a 4.0. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A king talk about that. Yeah. I, so I was really good. So I was like teachers pet to this really, really great physics, uh, professor, professor Chinan Tan. And I went and did his study abroad and China with him. I helped. I was like a, student ambassador for him. And I dropped out because I had a bad drinking problem. Um, and then I begged

30:02myself. I begged, I begged the board, the engineering college that let me back in. And then I just foreport everything, 4.0 everything up to graduation. And then I got my MBA like right after. And I don't use either of those degrees. Yeah. Wayne State is that way. University. Yeah. Very, very cool. And then your degrees in mechanical engineering. Mm hmm. Why did you choose that? Um, because I'm, I'm like really good at, because I have like, I have genius IQ. I'm very, very good at math, photographic memory. I am, I love calculus and math. Like, like, this is like a huge, oh wow. Okay. Yeah. I do calculus in my head. And it was like, I knew that it paid a lot. That's, that's why I was like, okay, I'm good at math and this pays a lot. So I'm going to do it. And it was, it was really, really hard. It was really hard. It is what you say you're 38. We're, um, we're old enough to wear. We didn't grow up with a cell phone. We're old enough to wear. We didn't grow up with a cell phone during puberty, which is probably the most important part of my mom's Nokia when I was 12. Correct. Right. And then the idea is college, you're, you're getting a degree where you knew

31:03would make money out of degree information systems, UT Austin. And, um, and you understood that concept, whereas now it's like the cost of getting the bachelors is much lower. And the degrees that people are going into are costing the mass. So the debt is higher. And now it's the gender studies bachelor does, there's no way to make money doing that. And so we ended up in a situation where I like the difference between getting a college degree and not getting a college degree lifetime earnings was massively different in the 40s, 50s. Oh yeah. And now you're actually at a massive disadvantage for getting a bachelors unless it's accounting, uh, being an attorney or something like that. The finance or STEM probably. Yeah. Yeah. But even engineers is like even engineers are getting replaced by AI. I mean, it's crazy out here. But you know what? I look getting the engineering degree, this just like it was the dedication. I think that if I were to get go get hired as an engineer, they would look at, okay, he dedicated himself to this thing. And engineering is just a lot of problem solving. You don't I mean problem solving. I was about to

32:03get so in 2024, I was the fourth largest used camera dealer in Amazon. Yes. And I did 1.1 million in sales. And then they pulled the plug on my business because I did something foolish. Amazon will pull the plug on anyone's business. You still do that now? No, no, no. I can you can you tell people the foolish things that they don't do it? I took a merchant capital at advanced loan against my business. And I didn't pay them back. So they took my business. Okay, it was like $100,000 a game. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, so then they pulled the plug on my business. And then I was about to get a job. I was about to get a job as an engineer. And then I made one real that got 500,000 views. And then I posted 15 reels a day for 100 days. And then here we are 15 a day. 15 a day. Yeah. Yeah. I had like five grand of float on. And I was like, bro, I see this huge opportunity. Like they really like what I'm saying. And I just I get really obsessive about things. So I just obsessed. What was the first one that caught traction for you? It was, um, is this going to be edited? Yeah, I can. All right. Cool. It was, uh, uh, each

33:08second for each second that goes by a woman loses value and a man gains value. What makes you think there's not going to be a better. It's a better on the horizon. Yeah. I got like, uh, yeah, that was that was the one. That was the first one that was. Every moment. Is it ticked talk or Instagram? It was, it was, it was, it was Instagram. It was Instagram. No, it was ticked talk. I blew up on tickedock first. Instagram didn't get big until like a month after it was ticked talk. Yeah. So that's where you started on. Yeah. And are you using shorts also? Are you doing YouTube shorts? No, I was not doing any long form. I was, I was really only posting to tickedock and Instagram. Yeah. For a while. And then I started posting a Facebook and my Facebook. Oh, yes. Facebook's at like two. Facebook's re-emerging. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah. I like Facebook. Facebook has more older crowd. The Christian right, right wing crowd. Yeah. Um, you, you, you worked at Ford for a while. Yeah. I was a project engineer for Ford after I got my, uh, bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. It wasn't much engineering going on. I was just, like, babysitting suppliers and writing emails. I didn't like it that much. Yeah. Yeah. And then, um, you, you, the business, where did you

34:09come up? So you were binding your sourcing cameras from one place and then selling them at arbitrage. Yeah. So I was, I was an eBay seller. I was like, I was doing clothes on eBay, like a 5,000 item store on eBay. And then I discovered that shop goodwill sold these huge lots of broken old Digi-Cams from the 2000s for like, I was getting on like 20 bucks a piece, right? And then I would just, they, well, they all worked. It's like, they all work. And then, and on Amazon, they sell for $140 a piece because they're out of, they're out of manufacture. And they're like, so the Gen Z really likes the vintage look, you know, the vintage, um, authentic look. So yeah, I was literally getting for $20 a unit by the pound and selling them on Amazon. And eventually I had like four people that would accept all my inventory and clean them up and send them out. I paid them like $8 a unit. So yeah, it was, it was doing game busters, bro. I was doing like three grand a day deposit in my account. Wow. Yeah. That's wow. Yeah. Um, the, uh, the other part, you talk about, you studied game for 12 years. Yeah. Which then led to your TikTok content. What is the things that you studied specifically? So we had Bob, we're a social dynamics RST, O and RST,

35:12Mac, no, no, one of my best. Yeah. He messages, he messages me. Yeah. He, he, he, he, he, he thinks I'm hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. All, basically I watched all RST videos, like even like RST Madison, like every single, every single RST video I've watched, or did you see foundation in Blueprint decoded before the YouTube stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite was RST Julian. My love Julian because I related with him the most because I will go tell, I will make a woman bark for me in public. You know what I mean? That, that's the, that I really, really like, but what I really realized is like, probably do all this naturally though. And I, and I didn't realize that just this, this lack of giving a fuck about other people's opinions is like the number one social currency. I was like, I thought, I thought all, I thought all people thought like this. So RST kind of revealed the mechanism beneath the magic for me. And, uh, and so like in the early Facebook groups, the early RST Facebook groups, I was coaching, I was logging into dudes tinders and texting for them like 12 years ago, 10 years ago. I was big then. And then I kind of got out of the game. I thought I was like, why are these guys obsessed with women so much? Yeah. That's, that's the way I thought I was like, I'm not obsessed with women anywhere. I got to get my

36:14fucking degree and get my life together. Yeah. Um, what are the relationships like while you're studying this and what are like some, so you're, with the reason I'm asking this is guys will study this and then they'll get into a relationship. And then all of a sudden there's exceptions and they think the rules don't apply to them or this one is different. Yeah. Did you go through anything like that? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get soft for a beautiful woman. Like it's, it's so hard to not be tamed by a beautiful woman. It's one of the hardest things that a man must do in this world. Like it's, I think that's what dating coaches miss a lot. They don't say how hard it is. This is so hard, bro. Being out come independent is incredibly hard, bro. Like not, you can't do this. You have to be kind of like jaded and disillusioned a little bit. But what I, yeah. So I, of course, I went through this. I got my soul crush. You got to get your soul crushed. But I was going out six nights a week and I was a bartender downtown. So I was pulling all the time. Like I, I got, you know, I bain like 100 that year. You know what I mean? I'm at like 330 body count now. Yeah. And then you mentioned before in another one, you don't like having a girlfriend. You do. I don't like having a girlfriend. Okay. Because I don't, because what does a girlfriend do for me?

37:17If I'm not going to have kids with her, what is the, like, I don't do monogamy for recreation. I don't do monogamy for recreation. I want to do anything else like a polygamy or anything like that. I just do whatever the fuck I want. Yeah. And then, and then she's not okay with that. Then she's not okay. Then goodbye. I think they have the part of what you said before was controlling yourself. Yes. Right. You have abundance. Then you don't need to go through her phone. Yeah. If you have abundance, then you don't need to try to control her because it's not, it's not about replay. I just think there's this healthy medium where it's like, you're not every day thinking, I'm going to replace you. You don't tell her that. No, no, no, no. But at the same time, hurt your vibe or your, uh, it's, you use woo woo terms, your existence. When you go out into social situation, she can clearly tell if this doesn't work out, I could find someone else in 45 seconds. And just this posture alone makes the relationship pretty good. Yes. It's pretty good. You don't have to fuck around with much. Yeah. Yeah. I absolutely agree with that. And then, um, the other part I want to ask you about was, uh, you, what are some of the

38:17realizations? So like, when you think about with Owen, right? Uh, oh, and you see, and Owen, he's kind of made a transition more towards social circle stuff. Yeah. I'm curious because you did mention on, uh, Shawn Michael Kelly's thing about the, the female friends, you know, what have you learned from that? Like, how does that, that working? And do you see, do you understand why it's so hard for a lot of guys to grasp that concept? Yeah. I think that the Manusphere has made the friend zone this big boogie man. Yes. And I think that the friend zone has historically been the one place where guys that are eight, nine and tens actually could get access to eight, nine and tens. Yes. But the thing that there's a pride thing now, because look, the friend zone is not just for mega simps. Right? Like, look, a 10, a stone called 10. Her mating strategy is to friend zone everyone and, and to wait for the president of Dubai or break, you know what I mean? Why would you, she wants to keep all men at arms length. She wants a friend zone Chad. So Chad is in the friend zone. So how can it be this, how can the friends don't be this big boogie man of Chad is in the friend zone? No, no, you have to be okay with being wrapped up and put in the fridge with these very, very beautiful women. They have so many options. You have to understand, but the pride, if you don't have this pride,

39:21this point of pride about being in the friend zone, look, this just, this just reveals your lack. This just reveals your lack. That's what men have to understand. They're operating from a place of lack and they're, they're like unwillingness to, to like be friends with the women with a woman. Like, this is maybe a blue pill take, but that's like not, I don't think that's very dope of them. You know, that's not like very masculine. I think the difference is when you put her in the friend zone and when she puts you in the friend zone. So if I tell a group of guys, I put a bunch of girls in the friend zone. And so let's say you had a bikini competition a couple weeks ago, I had 48 girls show up. Oh, Michael, those girls, they're just put you in the friend zone. They didn't hook up with them. I'm like, what if I hooked up with eight of them? Is that enough? Or is like five? Or like, it just, for my situation, I just don't understand what you're saying is absolutely true. It's like, how do you, those tens that you're looking for, you don't have access to them. They're behind a social media wall. They're behind a wall. They're behind a dating Apple. And they're also on

40:22stage with the DJ you can't get near. They're at the party you can't get into. I'm going to party this Saturday. It's like in bite only super, super exclusive in LA. And that you can't get in those places. How did I get on that stage? And how do I get it? It's my female friends. They're the ones that for me to get 48 girls to show up to bikini competition. You know who brought the girls. Other girls, of course. This is a part guys don't get. And then the other, the other part is if you don't hit on them, it's actually confusing to them. It's so confusing. So you're not, it's not like you're going around. You're in the friends zone. You're in the friends zone. You're just not demonstrating intent. And this is like, this reads as, this can read as a couple of things. But I think it mostly reads as like, you have a higher calling than women, you know, mentioned have a higher calling than women. And like, look, guys that have abundance, guys that do really well with women, they're around beautiful women all the time. And they want to. But how is it that they aren't buttered that they're not. Yeah, because look, if they, if they, if they disqual, like, guys will be like, well, I need more than that from you. I guess we can't talk anymore. Like, I would never say that. Like that's such corn ball. Like, no, no, you got to, like, you got to be okay.

41:23Like women date on extremely long time horizons too, bro. Like you have to understand. So just being okay with not here is going to read as rare to her. Yeah. Well, how about this? How about you, if a, I would never say that to a girl, but it's not because it's a strategy. It's because if I'm already seeing for women, right, then I don't have to, like, I didn't notice that you wanted to be friends. Right. You guys are no, if a guy says, Hey, I need more from you or this doesn't work for me, that means you don't have, like, you, you, while you're sending that text, you aren't someone else. That means like you have this massive space to notice that this girl put you in the friends on. If you had enough women in your life, you wouldn't notice that she did so. Yeah. She would notice you didn't hit on her. Right. And then what happens? What I've seen, usually somewhere between the three and six month mark, she's so confused why you hooked up with so many of her friends and never hit on her that she must get this validation. She will kick down your door. She will do anything to get the validation to understand why you put her in the friends zone and you've never

42:28hit on her. Yeah. She wants to compete with her female friends. And also she's actually gotten the chance to get to know you. You know what I mean? Like this is like familiarity drives a rousal too. But yeah, you're exactly right. I would recommend anybody who's curious about this is a Lucy Hunt study that she did back in 2015 where she looked at the correlation of attractiveness between men and women and then how long it took them to get into a relationship. So if a woman was really physically attractive, the best way for a man to get into a relationship with her very quickly was for him to also be very attractive. At the four month mark, the correlation got cut in half. At the nine month mark, the correlation was zero. We need guys who were fives or dating girls who were tensed. It's familiarity. But how do I get into a situation where a woman knows me for nine months? I put her in the friends zone. Right. Which is what she's doing to you. She's putting you in the friends zone so that you can orbit her. Just like the moons of Jupiter orbit. Yeah. Yeah. She allows you to orbit her. So why not just do the same thing? Right. You create a situation where you she doesn't know how many women you're dating. She sees your ex. She thinks your ex is gorgeous.

43:32She's so confused like why you haven't hit on her and you allow her through your party scene, through the nightclub stuff, through maybe the exclusive parties, the charity events, the competitions, whatever. She's allowed now to orbit you. Right. And then she gets to witness the preselected social proof. Yeah, that's it. Like preselected social proof will overpower everything. Like having a hot ex girlfriend is more hot than having six Mac abs in my opinion. You know what I mean? Look, the women want to see men that are accepted by the world. And they trust, they trust women vetting you. They're like, Oh, oh, he's already vetted by women. Yeah. I guess I don't have to find you know, I don't have to do all this work because women have to select men for much different things. We we can look at a woman and know she's preselected just by her face. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. We have perfect information. I know that this woman is attractive. But for me to at least want to go on a for a short term fling, she has imperfect information. She doesn't know. Yeah. I'm going to assault her. She doesn't know that if I get super jealous, true. But if if if I walk into a party with three playmates from her standpoint, it's like, well, he probably doesn't smell bad. He probably isn't terrible in bed. Just a baseline

44:35of some things. Yeah. So so many though. Yeah. It's like for us, it's like HIPTO WACE ratio, shines of symmetry, youth, et cetera. There's like four categories. And we can look in in one tenth of a second. We know we know for her, it's like a three page form and triplica that you have to fill out at the DMV. Yep. And half of it, half of it's not filled out. But when a woman's with you having it's done for more than half of it, they love that evolutionist ecologist talk about this concept. It's like, it's almost like a cheat code. It's basically trying to glean information and using some it's not only that you're getting. Make choice copying. It's made choice copy. But it's not only the made choice copying. It's also the fact that this other woman almost like took the risk and did the work. You don't have to do exactly because she saw you with them. And here's the craziest part. This is another thing. Everybody wants to look up. The data on made choice copying. There's one study from Royal Society, one study that just came out from Cambridge Cambridge Press online. Another one that came out from Texas Tech, another one that came out from Oklahoma State, which goes over the concept that when women are choked, when women see you chosen by other women, it's younger women who are more attracted to you and women who are

45:37more sexually selected. The belief is the pre-selection only gets you the actuality when it's tested. It's actually women who are younger and more sexually selected who like men. Why is that? If I don't know, if I don't have any data, I'm going to look for other data points. If I'm trying to be a salesperson, I'm not going to look at other better salespeople to try to learn from them. If I'm a woman with no sexual experience, I'm going to look to other women. So made choice copying works for, bro, my German Indian Chinese clients, they're blown away because they think being a good guy, being moral, going to a good school and wearing a polo shirt at the right country club is what gets you the good girl. And then my guy friends who were male strippers and guys who were like VIP hosts, they're dating women with like a two body count who's an accountant or a surgical nurse and nobody believes me when I say this. This is the core male delusion. This is the core male delusion that there's a different game for a good girl or a different game for a bad girl. Bro, look, when when you go weak for a good girl or a bad girl, the f**k Danny's weight risk or the

46:40stripper, the reaction is the same when you go weak. The reaction, their exit looks the same, the replacement looks the same. So there's no such thing like they people think that there's this like there's something good about like Asian, oh Asian women are Asian women love weak men. Yeah. No, they don't. No, no, no, no, no, no, the thing is in Asia, there is shame. There is shame built around Yes. Being promiscuous. But if you were to drop them in America, they'd become Westernized in a year. Like look, the thing that holds women, the thing that makes women good girls is social guardrails. That's they all have the capacity for evil. They all have the capacity to be there's no such thing as a good girl. It's just her. It's the ambient pressure around her. Stimulus sheet. Yeah, allows herself to receive. Right. Look, some look, some of them were raised with honor. Some of them were raised with honor by their fathers, but still like the female impetus to lie and test is I don't think it's ever going to go away because like hypergamy is so old,

47:41it's going to take more than 300 years of culture to overpower this 100,000 year adaptation. Like it's funny. I asked Steve Stewart Williams about this and I also talked to Dr. David Busser, both evolutionary psychologists. I love David Busser. Yeah. And and I asked him this question. I was because there is no more selection pressure. There isn't. We killed. There's 600,000 elephants and 8 billion humans. We've won once once broadspread command robotics in 1947. Now we have we've defeated bacteria. We've completely and totally become the apex predator on this planet. So my question is, if there is no selection pressure, would things like hypergamy get weeded out of the species? I think answers. It can't be. It can't. Well, no, it can't because why would how could hypergamy get weeded out? Women are going to say, yeah, yeah, but my point is the only way for hypergamy to get weeded out is only non-hypergamy's women would have children. Right. Hypergamy's women would not. But now every woman can actually manifest her hypergamy because she has access to every single man on social media. So because of the globalized sexualized marketplace, the the the fact that women find

48:42these type of men attractive or the fact that men tie by these type of women attractive because there's no selection pressure, there's no one killing us. Right. Because of that, now it's like those things will never go. Right. They're willing to they can exercise this agency like ad gums, right? Right. But hold on. Like I'll give you an example. In Scandinavian countries, women are encouraged to get into STEM and choose not to in places that are encouraged you. In Scandinavian countries, women are encouraged to not be mothers and to be more promiscuous and choose not to do you know what? But because I've because it doesn't solve an evolutionary problem. That's right. When given the level of free, the evolutionary sex differences expose themselves in the most in the countries that are most egalitarian. Yep. And that's one of the findings in a billion years of sex differences. And so that goes back to what you were just saying before. It's like we try to go against our natural proclivities. Another one is men are more aggressive than women. This is what social scientists believe. Men are more aggressive than women because they're encouraged to be aggressive in the school system. No, they're not. We're punished twice as hard as women are for being aggressive. Yeah, they're trying to flatten everyone out in the school. We're more

49:43aggressive in spite of the fact that culture tries to wrangle us. We we're aggressive because we because look, ranking is the species. The species rank. All primates are primates are ranking species. That's what the species does. Like they so these these activists think that they can wipe away hierarchy with legislation as soon as you wipe away one hierarchy, another will form in the foot of us usually as a black market. You cannot stop hierarchies from forming in humans. Like you can't. No protest. No legislation will do it. One of the one of the I think massive misconceptions is the idea that we're we as men are the ones who are enforcing gender norms. Women keep sleeping with aggressive dominant men when men lose their job. The likelihood of divorce increases by 33 percent. Women consistently talk about they don't want men who are promiscuous yet 10 percent of men are having 58 percent of the sexual interactions. Yeah, literally if these things if women would stop sleeping with men who had these characteristics, they would be weeded out of the population.

50:45Yeah, every feminist buzzword I did a real on this every feminist buzzword is because of mating preference. Like yeah, toxic masculinity. This is all selected by women. Like look violent only violent men can protect women. They have to select for for men with the capacity for violence. Like the glass ceiling. This is all selected for this. Everything is selected for like the dominance dominant men are selected for. So toxic masculinity is perpetuated by female mating preferences. That's it. Yes. If women are more likely to divorce a man when he loses his job, but men are not more likely to divorce a woman when she loses her job. Who is enforcing these gender norms? Is it men or is it women? If women keep complaining about aggressive dominant men and those men report having more sexual partners, who is enforcing gender norms? Is it men or is it women? Women will complain about the gender norms that they are rewarding with sex. This is at the end of Dr. David Busce's men behaving badly. Yeah, talks about if women are complaining about a specific

51:46proclivity that men have, it only exists because women continue to breed with men who have that proclivity. Pretty clear. There's no other, there's every single thing. By the way, the opposite is true. If we as men complain about women being unaccountable and we keep chasing after women with big butts and big boobs, that's because we as men keep choosing those women and often choose women who have whatever proclivity we don't like, but in spite of the fact, because they're physically attractive, meaning we stick our tinkering crazy and probably have been doing so for millions of years. And become addicted to the chaos. I know I'm addicted to chaos women for sure. Yeah, so women just aren't held accountable. Like, why would women change? Why would they change? There's no selection pressure. Yeah, there's also no cultural pressure that are encouraged, right? So they have no incentive to change. They want to go further. They want to go further. I think that women want to enslave men. And I think that they could literally had a discussion with Owen Cook about this last night. Yeah. So think about this. If 200, so the top 1% of men average 287

52:48sexual partners. Yeah. That's the mean for the tall one percent. So if you consider that, the guy with 287 sexual partners, the likelihood of him wanting to have kids with even one percent of those women is very low. Yeah. So women are choosing to have sexual intercourse with men who don't want to have kids with them. Uh-huh. And then the population collapses. That's a crazy evolutionary choice. Yeah. What do you know what I mean? Like, that's wild. The top 10% of men having 58% of all, well, for those of you who are confused by what you're doing, you take the mean number of sexual partners by the top 10% of men reported by the GSS and you compare that to the number of sexual partners reported by women, then you stratify the most promiscuous woman with the most promiscuous man. When you get through the top 10% most promiscuous men, you burn through the bodies of the top 58% most promiscuous women. That's crazy. The stat is nuts and it has nothing to do with dating apps. Yeah. Somebody's going to watch this and be like, that's just dating up data. No dating up data. USS, US Census and General Census Survey data. Yeah. And they still come up with the same thing. Do you think there are any brokeies in that top percent dial? Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. There's the pimps. There's the bumper motors. There's the VIP hospital. There's the

53:52comedian. There's the funny guy. There's the social circle. There's the girl guy. There's the old course. There's the dude who grew up with a bunch of girls. You know who it is? It's the male nurse who works on a hospital floor with 40 female nurses. Right. Those are the guys who are doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. It's the bartender. Yeah. The bartender. It's the security guard. 100% they're broke and they're crushing it. They have game though. They get you got to have game for this. So one thing I tell my clients, like people, these guys think that you can let go of game once you get married, but no, no, no, no, when you're married, that's when the stakes are even higher. This is when you really need game. They treat this they treat game like the word is juvenile. Yeah. But it's not, bro. It's like, look, they're just afraid to compete and use these social game. High value people play these leverage games. That's it. Like it's there's there's no such look saying that you're honest and authentic is a game. This is a game. This is a posture. This is all authentic men are just afraid to compete in my mind. Yeah. Well, authentic, authentic. Yeah. I do appreciate that because you and I probably agree on this. Yeah. Good. Just go be yourself.

54:56Yeah. Oh my god. Why is it? Why is it always insanely good looking male coaches and female dating coaches who are telling me to be myself? If you're not getting incredible results being yourself, do not be yourself. Be someone else or improve. Yeah. Yeah. So I like, I like this. Fake it until you make it as great advice because think if this is how any skill is learned. So if you go get a new job and they show you some process that you don't understand, you're just imitating what someone shows you to work until that behavior becomes authentic and then you get feedback by positive feedback in the world and then it becomes less imitation each time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the standup comedian who starts off most standup comedians. I know we're introverted in school awkward. Of course. Hicked on and then they go up on stage and they keep practicing their craft craft at no point where they being themselves. Never. When you're an introvert and you're on stage talking, you're not authentic. Right. And by the way, if you're out of shape and you go to a trainer, it's going to hurt like, doesn't feel authentic when you go to the trainer. Yeah. If you spend all your money, you don't save anything and someone teaches you how to open a brokerage account or a CD,

55:56it doesn't feel authentic. It doesn't feel organic. It feels try hard. But yet, success always is going to feel try hard. Otherwise, we're stage of track correct. Yeah. For us, we'd all have success. Yeah. If getting a girl, it was all you had to do was smile and be yourself. Everyone would have a girl, but a third of men, by the way, on that same scale that showed the top 1% of men having sex with 20% of women, the bottom third of men average one sexual partner. Meaning the top 1% of men have 20% of all the sexual interactions. The bottom one third men have 2.8% of all sex brothers. And by the way, let me just say this, the GSS has been doing these surveys for 20 years. And the numbers for the bottom keep decreasing and the numbers for the top keep increasing. By the way, I'm going to say this to you because you mentioned this before. When I heard 287 was the mean for the top 1%, that seemed kind of loaded. Yeah. Honestly, yeah. That seemed kind of loaded. Really. Yeah. For those of you think that's insane. No, bro, come live where I live. I've been in San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, working strip clubs, nightclubs, lived in Atlanta,

56:59lived in Los Angeles, lived in Las Vegas. With women when you're on your on, bro, you can get one every night. Yeah. And the idea that 287, like I know 100 male strippers in VIP hosts that 287 was the first two summers they spent in Las Vegas. That's why that number actually seems crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah. But I think so why do women, do you think women really get grossed out? If I tell a woman that my body comments 300, both things can be true. In the moment, she is viscerally grossed out. Yeah. And her, her, the subroutine in her brain that was solving evolutionary problems says he has been preselected. Yeah. I bet the sex is not terrible. Right. It's not going to. If this many women have chosen him, I bet he's figured out a couple things. Right. And then the other part is with the competition, the intersectional competition between women 287 and he didn't pick any of them. He's going to pick me. If I, if you get picked by the guy who had 287, then you feel more special. Oh my god. So it's literally, I literally had girls updated, say both of those things. It's gross. You were with this many women and you, all these girls you could

58:00have had and you picked me. Why did you pick me? So both things can be true. Yeah. Women really want to be chosen by a guy who can get a lot of women. Yeah. You know, when I, when I tell women, I try not to tell women, but like it's mostly just this baffled confusion. Right. They're like, they don't understand it. You know, no, no. They think I'm lying. I'm just like, okay, whatever you want. Yeah. Believe what you want. Survey came out. I'd love for you to see. It's a hilarious survey. And by the way, a guy put it out as a good friend of a guy considered a friend, Alex from date, psych, awesome, awesome. Do you guys should watch his content? We put out this survey where he goes over what women report are the most attractive hobbies in men. And it is hilarious. Whenever I need a good laugh, I just look at it. The number one hobby that women find attractive in men is, what do you think? Shores reading. Reading? Oh, okay. The reading. I can't tell you. I read 40 to 60 books a year. The women are lined up because I read. Yeah. I wrote. I know. So speaking multiple languages. Yes, they give so much of a shit about this. What is the other one? Gardening. Yeah. They throw it at me

59:05for the gardening. Yeah. What the fuck? Tomatoes. I grew. Yeah. Such nonsense. The worst ones. Guess what? Playing video games. Yeah. Every guy I know a bunch of new display video games and crush it with women. And my favorite one, people, the worst one was men who watch Manosphere content. Oh, I have a bunch of friends that watch Manosphere content who have the 287 button count. Like, it's exactly the opposite of what the women's favorite hobby in men is ignoring women. Right? Like that's it. Like ignoring her and being unavailable to her. That's, oh, the, what is it? Call me daddy? Call me daddy podcast. Call her daddy podcast. Bro, they're just telling the truth over there. You know what I mean? I love that. I love that they're telling the truth. They're so what is it going to take for men to realize that all women are drawn to strong men no matter what we're being pushed in the opposite direction? You know who are a rant, tear band is like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So tremendous book. I recommend everyone. It's called The Value of Others. Yeah. He has a he had this one thing. He came on my show and he talked about it. It's an unbelievable idea. He said I was watching Survivor and they split up the men and the women.

1:00:08I didn't watch the whole season, but I was very curious about how this would play out. And in all the physical challenges, the men would kick the shit out of the women and they were just winning over and over again. Women were getting eliminated. And then what happened was the women got together and went after the beta males in the male group and said, Hey, listen, when we're all gone, they're these alpha males that are better athletes. They're going to kick you off first. Sneaky. I don't you just work with us and then get let's get rid of the alpha males. And Orion said, this is a perfect analogy for what has happened to men in 2026. Yeah. What exactly what's happened is these men instead of dealing with the fact instead of competing with the big strong male, they've decided to make the pandering content. Do you see Michael Sartane? You should listen to him. His girlfriend's 20 years younger than him. Can you believe that? He wants his girlfriend to be in like, you're they're making why is that because in their mind, they've made a coalition with the women. And that coat that so you're asking the question, when will men realize they still think that there's a bargain for them. Right. The women by making by saying,

1:01:10believe all women, I'm a male feminist, I'm an ally pandering a tick-tock and Instagram content. They think that's the way to go. And their bones do they think? Well, it doesn't matter because what does the algorithm do to their content? If somebody right now we you we you and me don't have an account. We go and tick-tock. You mean and a guy who's a female pandered. We go and tick-tock it. We make our content. I put I post my most viral content. You post your most viral content. He post content bang like, bro, you need you deserve better. You need a man who treats you like a queen, licks your feet. He's going to grow faster on tick-tock. Yeah. Obviously that guy we're going to get limited limited reach. A hundred X. He's going to grow faster. Easily easily. So yeah, I yeah. So the cards are stacked against beta males. So what is the path for beta males done? What we what we talk about. That's it, which is. I think it's putting women in the friend zone. Yeah, maintaining high levels of boundaries. Your girlfriend needs to you don't I don't I don't recommend you cheat on your girl. I don't even flirt with girls. Right. We pull women together and have three swims, but I don't I don't follow the other woman in front of her. And but she also knows that other women find me attractive. And that's it. That's part of it. Again, having strong social groups, having access to

1:02:15scarce resources, locations, networks showing charisma, comedy, showing humor, pre-selection, social proof, competency and relevancy and leadership seeking excellence. Yeah, these are the end to seek excellence. They're they just look being having an ally ship with women gets them out of the hard work. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's it. Like why would they want to work? They really think that it's going to work for them though that you can't look. Desire is not something that you can chip away at. It's not a project that you work on. Like these guys these guys are lost. Do you uh yes, you ever want to grab them in your comments? Action. You're like, oh, she's not going to do. No matter what you say about me, she's not the girl who's agreeing with you is never going to have sex with you. No, I'm not in the comments section anymore. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. Luckily, you know, my audience is 98% men. Yeah. So I don't get much blowback really. It's only on my super, super viral ones. Well, the females finally pipe up. But I think the fine bro, the I think the women are like, they look at me and they're like, oh my god, he's telling all of them. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, some quotes. Silence is the most masculine trait. Yes.

1:03:18This so this is biscuit strewed. Silence is the most masculine trait in a trait in a room full of people that are panicking. You know what I mean? Silence is the like if you have this call, it stoicism really. And also like men think that you by attacking women with words that they're going to bring the woman down. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this this uplifts the woman because it makes you look weaker. Like if you can be silent in this moment where all you want to do is explode. This is the most masculine thing you can do. Uh, what's a good un, uncheap in yourself, uncheap in yourself. Yeah. So, um, so okay. So women have women don't have these journeys or like concoest like men do, right? So men can go out into the world and have to make something on themselves. Women's journey is really like earning a high value man's commitment. So when you give your commitment away, when you give your time and attention away for free, she doesn't have to do anything or invest anything. You take her journey away and you cheap in yourself emotionally. You show intent to a woman who gives you no compliance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

1:04:19So you said that like, so I did this in the EDM scene in Detroit where I would, I would bring a beautiful woman with me like a hot bit of me. And then for the next weeks, I wouldn't. And I would friend zone all the women there, all the chicks there. Uh, and they're like, why isn't he, I could, I could just hear it in their minds. Why isn't he hitting on me? Why isn't he hitting on me? And it was just weird to them. And I was just like, cool. I was just cool. All you have to do is be. So this advice, like kind of be normal. This can work if you have a little bit of pre-selection and you're not like operating from this place of like scarcity, right? If you have abundance, then be normal is great advice. Um, anything, but yes is a no. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Mm, I don't know. I think that nose or soft yeses. I think that you know, most nose. So like, nose or like she wants you to compete, she wants you to compete with this idea of you in her mind. I think that's most nose or, I think that I have a boyfriend as mostly. Um, look, I'm not talking about consent, obviously. Yeah. Although CNC is a thing. So women love CNC. Yeah. Um, the, what are some of your favorites?

1:05:25Uh, clips that you've done where you hit so hard for you, you didn't care about what the audience reactions were. Um, oh, the women don't respect anything. Women don't respect, like women, women don't respect how a building got built. You know, they don't, they don't respect this one, this one went really viral. Like women don't respect sportsmanship. They'll, like, you'll, uh, you'll put $9,000 in nine months and renovating this room and she'll be like, why the fuck is that lamp right there? This room is gay. Like, they, they, this, this video popped off and I think it's really, really true. And it's like, they're kind of like, as long as you give them the right emotions, they're going to use you like a, a motion bending machine as long as you're spitting out the right soda pop to them. You know what I mean? You have one where you're talking about women being independent and that's just code for being unreliable. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no, alone. Oh, I'm independent. No, oh, you mean alone. Yeah. Right. Uh, you might not need a man, but your, your son needs a father. Yeah. Uh, the one where you talk about, um, when she claims that her exes are narcissists, that just means he was a guy that she couldn't control. Exactly. Yeah,

1:06:28if this is exactly right. If a, oh, he was controlling. Oh, um, basically he wouldn't let me exercise my options in monkey branch, basically. Yeah. So if a woman calls you narcissist, you have to take this as a compliment. This just means that you cannot be controlled by her. Um, what is a question that you wish you were asked more? Um, is it true that all women are capable of evil? And the answer is yes, like guys need to get this through their heads. That's the core male delusion. All women are capable of being evil, all women, even your mother, sorry. I mean, all men are there's well, I mean, we, we, we, we, we, we, male nature exists too. Yeah, for sure. But like, but it's not the bottom third of women that have gone sexless without a year. Sure. It's not the the bot. It's not two thirds of women who are in a relationship under the age of it's not dating apps are not you know sourcing out only the top 10% of women. So that's a reason why when we bring this stuff up obviously men cause chaos in the world as well but it's not it's men who are having these problems where the self deletion rate increases that's why we bring that up.

1:07:30Yeah so the question that I get asked the most is how do I get permission to be weak basically they're like they treat marriage or like long term they're like hey if so if I get into a long term relationship can I does it does it get easier then does it does female nature get easier then can I we they're looking for a path to weakness where they can just like relax and not try anymore to get exactly exactly exactly but they have to understand that it just doesn't end what this this you have to harden and become formidable right so it there's never an excuse to be weak there it's almost like this isn't the question of like a patriarch or a player this is the question of a consumer they're asking for this what product can I buy marriage kids where I can end up not where the where the world will accommodate my needs and be this placating space is nurturing safe space for me because that's what they were they've been feminized in the institutions with wokeness so they all think that that there's this nurturing safe space for them where they can arrive with this pure girl that's not going to hurt them but they don't understand if there was a strategy like what you just described that they want that existed there'd be a

1:08:32lower divorce rate and you wouldn't see women leaving relationships so if what you're saying what you're saying is true then what we should see is more divorce is initiated by women and men what we should see is about a 50% divorce rate and what we should see is that when men lose their jobs women should file for divorce more and of course we see all of those things because what you're saying is true yeah you these guys want they want to get off I consider being a relational out like a tightrope they're good because you have to be perfect it's a women sharpened men this is a mechanism that has always existed to improve men they're a mirror that will reveal the weakest and worst parts of you and this is a good thing okay you have to become better you have to become you have to improve like women have look women have taken it too far and a lot of them really suck okay but basically even even ugly woman will will test you will test you will well they so women demand excellence that's that's what they do even the ugly ones they demand excellence if they if they get comfortable with you and you have revealed that they're your best option they're like this ain't good enough yeah yeah that is constantly this algorithm like is

1:09:35am I the best you can do right they have to find out if you've gone weak for them yeah right uncomfortable truth you believe in that that real love exists yeah I think this is my one blue pill take I think their real love exists but it's a choice it's just a choice that you make it's a choice that you make yeah and I but I don't think that unconditional love exists except from your mom or your dog yeah well love has to be conditional or it means nothing yes so yeah well I will say like this if if someone breaks into the house is it the mom or dad who's gonna go downstairs the shotgun if I'm willing to die for my child and my my wife that is unconditional yeah I can't hear it but if I'm a woman who am I gonna reserve my unconditional love for my child right doesn't make women evil no it's an evolutionary adaptation yeah so that we could survive right when we're put on earth to love their children not to love men yeah right they're self-preservationists too because a lot of women are

1:10:35like women are just going crazy though they're they're going they run a muck underrated historical event put a pin in this one let me think about it do you have another one yeah and then most misunderstood thing about you about me yeah face tattoos face tattoos like but I love this about me because people like I have so many followers are like you know what I hate this guy face tattoos blah blah blah blah can't stop watching this really you know what I mean so they think I like this because I'm underestimated and then I really really surprised people yeah yeah the historical event for me when I ever talk about this I'm always it's always like the the invention of the transistor in 1957 okay yeah one broad track and by and because people don't understand transistors oh my god broad track from anabiot 1947 antibiotics is the best invention is probably the best invention of that century yeah for you because we were talking about this before it's machine learning leading to artificial intelligence yeah bro I

1:11:36think we are at threat I think we're a threat I think that like bro if you're gonna create a super intelligence like it's a race to destruction and it's it's a little worrisome but I'm gonna I'm gonna watch the world burn it's gonna be fun I guess sometimes you could use you said you use cloud code I use I use Hermes with a chat you get to 5.6 oh and I will tell you there are times where it's like I cannot believe the advantages I have from using this incredible tool and then I start thinking yo what happens when everyone else has this tool like this is what what is the incentive of thinking yeah I see I see that 90% of people are sheep and then basically 90% of people are sheep and I think 90% of people will never touch AI the in a crazy right now right now if you don't include jet the Gemini prompt on Google right is the most used AI thing that there is that exists if you don't include that and you don't include anyone who uses chat TVT or cloud but never uses projects all they do is ask

1:12:39simple queries if you dis glued all those people it's under eight five percent of the population that uses AI do you understand the bifurcation and like how insanely left behind these 95% of people are gonna be just you and I understand because we use a gentick AI yeah it's a gentick AI or you die yeah bro yeah if you're not if you're not doing this you're going to get left behind like just do it it's so easy it is yes that was how I'm talking easy bro like it's it'll explain to you how to do it step by step like my my little sister can do it it will reprogram itself while it's explaining to you how to do the thing you're doing while you're talking to him yeah it's just yeah it's not it just makes me so it makes me so powerful bro like I can do like I can do and touch so much with it bro it's insane yeah what can people want you at the Jake Abdo on all socials YouTube and Jacob abdo.com you had to change your so I think I think I've built for as much like as I could and now I think it's kind of a brand risk so yeah so it's not still ain't but it's Jake

1:13:44okay one other thing the whiteboard and the katana blade sort of board and sort videos yeah bro like this like I just did one video and then it just went incredibly viral and then that's all people wanted that in the Newport hoodie yeah the Newport hoodie and the katana they're like who the fuck is everyone all the most common common is I I literally pay attention better because of the katana yeah bro so it's yeah it's my vital little viral format like like like a like Crowder had the debate me on anything right it's my little viral format yeah really worked out for me all right you're gonna be joining us on Access Vegas tonight I'm excited to see you talking to a bunch of women who are we're gonna sit there and empower them we're gonna sit there we're going to uplift them we're gonna uplift them we're gonna fight misogyny tonight we're gonna fight the patient and remember guys believe all women thank you guys we're joining us we're gonna see you all next week