The GOP strategy: Ignore Trump

0:00Donald Trump's Republican Party is currently in chaos. The president is massively unpopular, prices are up everywhere, and few people support the Iran War. In fact, in the last couple weeks, it seems even Republican candidates are getting the message. Republican revolt with just 47 days until the midterms. They have to find some way to get away from this president. Democrats are actually the favorite now to take back the United States Senate with a growing number of Republicans now distancing themselves from his actions. Here's the thing. It's hard to even find Republicans on the campaign trail right now, and it's even harder to get them to talk about Donald Trump. Republicans aren't answering our calls and texts, but more importantly, they're also not answering their own voters. New reporting by MSNOW's Michael Schnell finds that when the going gets tough, the tough hide behind a telephone. They're skipping out on debates, not holding press conferences, avoiding town halls. And there are other avenues to do it than just going in to try to give the other side

1:03sound bites. I mean, they're doing this for the cameras. We all know it. It's honestly crazy, but there's at least one Republican right now who seems to be trying a different strategy. There will be a bright red, Ramishwami tsunami. Ladies and gentlemen, bring up the next governor of the state of Ohio. Vivek, Ramishwami. Vivek Ramishwami, the former businessman and presidential candidate who was most recently associated with Trump's efforts to gut the bureaucracy, is running for governor in Ohio. I think I love the energy in this room. If you take this out, and 44 days from day, we're going to win this thing in a decisive victory. Who's ready for that? And if there's one thing Ramishwami is best known for, it's probably his willingness to talk about anything and everything. Let's get this done. Awesome or long, Ramishwami has kept up an unusually ambitious calendar full of fairs, rallies and town halls.

2:04So a few weeks ago, we went to see one of the few Republicans who's actually stumping for votes. This week on America actually, we're in Ohio. What is the GOP message for the midterms and how are Republicans dealing with the elephant in the room? 2.0 has flopped. Support for the show comes from TikTok. There is a scientifically documented correlation between listening to podcasts and curiosity. So since you're here, you probably enjoy discovering new things. One great place to indulge your curiosity is TikTok. Whether it's how to forecast volcanic eruptions, strange phenomena that the James Webb Space Telescope picked up near the beginning of time, or a literal deep dive on the ocean's deepest reefs. TikTok has a wealth of fascinating videos just waiting to be discovered.

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4:06So I wanted to know, is this still true considering all of this? Can you tell me your name? Sue. Sue. Dave Crossard, are you all Cleveland Parma? Yep. Like long we live in England. Have y'all been always been Republicans? I have. Yep. One of the questions we're asking people is, what do they think the Republican message should be for the midterms? What should Republican candidates be saying? The motivate people right now. I like low taxes and more jobs. Low taxes more jobs. What do you say? I would say the same. Partly what we were talking to people about is how they're feeling about the second Trump administration. We asked somebody earlier, what would you rate Trump's second term from one to ten? Ten. Ten? Nine. Nine. Okay, that's pretty high. We got a six earlier today because people were mentioning gas prices, things like the arom. Or I would love for you to say like, those things don't seem to be bothering you all. I hate paying high gas prices.

5:09But the trade off for dealing with Iran, you know, there's seven presidents before Trump who swore that Iran is an enemy. We need to get rid of them and nobody did anything until he did. It's bold. Thank you for hosting us in par months today. Yes, glad you could make it. How enthusiastic would you say are Republicans for the upcoming votes? I think they're very enthusiastic. You see folks motivated. Yes, definitely because it's all about lower taxes and our second amendment rights and we're pro-life in parma. And you know, you might not know this, but parma was the biggest city in Ohio that voted for president Trump. The biggest city on Ohio that voted for president Trump. That's a good fact to know. Three times. Three times. If you put ranked the issues that may think matter most to you, what would they be? Well, the economy for sure, lower taxes, something, you know, that's affordable for people.

6:11But people are concerned about their second amendment rights too. I think that's a big issue also. Big issue, yes. Last question on the opposite. We have seen a lot of at least numbers tell us. And it's come up as we've traveled. It says Trump has gotten a little more popular over the last year. I would say like, how would you explain that? And then how do you manage that leading into November? Well, he's human, okay? He makes mistakes too like we all do, but I think that he's got good people around him, people making decisions, JD Vance, we really support JD. This is about what I expected because there are some voters who are going to support this president no matter what. But as we talk to more and more people, we started to hear some more acknowledgement of what's been clear in the numbers. These days, even some Republicans are turning on Trump. I guess I keep asking around the same things, but I mean, he said prices were going to go

7:11down. He said the Iran War would be over by now. Like those things haven't happened yet. Like, isn't that hurting Republicans more than anything else? Well, I think what you're listening to are the polls and I don't believe in the polls. Got it. That's the problem. This whole country is addicted to these polls. So you feel confident that come election day Republicans will turn out. I'm not 100% confident. Yeah. But if ever there was a midterm election cycle that things were going to change, it's going to be this one. Tell me your name. John Renaissancello. I hear the name is Buddy, though, too. That's my nickname. Tell me what you do, Buddy. I'm a maintenance person for a company called Ranch Village Properties. I'm going to ask a couple of questions about President Trump. How do you think the second term is going? I've got to flip the coin on that one. 50-50. 50-50? Because some things I don't think it's doing right. Something he is doing right. Yeah, when we talk to some people, we hear a mixed bag.

8:14Even more so than we may have heard last year. It seems like people are maybe feeling a little differently about him this summer than they were feeling last summer. That's true. That's just basically the economy and everything else. Yeah. She think the economy is the number one issue. There's been that flip. We talk to gas prices and we talk about what is it? Well, we're talking about everything in general, but I'll be very honest with you that many years ago, my parents grew up everything else and they were able to make ends meet with the money, wages they were coming in. But nowadays, people are overextending themselves. And that feels like more than just one party of a problem. That feels like both parties have made it contributed to that problem. They have, yes. Donald Trump ran on the promise of making stuff cheaper and better. What do we think we're wrong? He's not listening to everybody. That's what I sign, P.O. My question would be, what do you think you should be saying on Iran to maybe make people

9:14feel a little better about the situation? Well, he keeps saying, prices are going to go down. The war is going to be over soon. And I heard him say the other day, we're either going to end it all over there or we're just going to pull out. And I think he needs to make up his mind on what it is. And I don't know what it should be, to be honest. Do you worry that if the war is still going and gas prices are still high, come to midterms that it could be a bad night for Republicans? Is that do? Yeah. I worry all the time. I always worry about it. How do you feel about where the National Republican Party is right now? Oh, I think the Republican Party is not, look tally upon right now and I think that everyone knows it. I curious, when do you think that change? Because obviously Trump got a big win in 2024. He's really popular in places like Ohio. What do you think it's shifted the industry? It's changed, I think just because people have seen it more when they're shopping. It's just the prices. Yeah. So as you heard, there are Republicans who are disappointed in this administration about

10:17the war, about the economy. But I still wondered how Vivek Ramaswami would deal with the Trump pickle in his speech. I mean, here's someone who helped create one of Trump's signature initiatives when he got back into office, the Department of Government Efficiency. So when Ramaswami mount a defense of this administration, or when he ignored Trump altogether, up next, Ramaswami takes the stage. Support for the show comes from TikTok. TikTok is a scientifically documented correlation between listening to podcasts and curiosity. So since you're here, you probably enjoy discovering new things. One great place to indulge your curiosity is TikTok. Whether it's how to forecast volcanic eruptions, strange phenomena that the James Webb Space telescope picked up near the beginning of time, or a literal deep dive on the ocean's deepest reefs.

11:19TikTok has a wealth of fascinating videos just waiting to be discovered. Your next discovery is waiting on TikTok. Learn more at TikTok.com slash discover more. I'm Josh Muccio, host of the pitch. We're start of founders, raise millions, and listeners can invest. For our sweet season 16, we're giving you more of what you love, and less of what you don't. It definitely starts a blank out when we're talking about middleware AI wrappers. Software is out. Actual cool stuff is in. We've got consumer brands. We're building eight sleep for daytime. Hardware that helps blind people see. They kept asking for middle finger. Next thing we knew, we had like 10 students running around flipping each other off. We've got deep tech to change the weather. Our big vision is to make it rain and snow on demand. But if you wanted to not make it rain somewhere else, like one day we just like screw Arizona. And dairy. I never imagined my life journey would be milk.

12:22Season 16 of the pitch is out now. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. This season is presented by Engine. This podcast is supported by Anthropic, the public benefit corporation behind Claude. Everyone's got a hard question about AI. Anthropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way because there's hope in hard questions. Ask yours at clod.ai slash Spotify and keep thinking that's clod.ai slash Spotify. After talking to a bunch of Republican voters, I was even more interested to hear Ramaswami's town hall. I mean, nobody in this room liked Democrats, but there was acknowledgement that Republicans were in a weak position this November. A brand problem made worse by an unpopular president. Less our time. Of course, we asked that you bless Vivek and his family and his team.

13:24But as soon as Vivek took the stage, it was clear that his strategy for dealing with Trump was not to deal with him at all. And if we celebrate success, we get more of it. If we villainize success, we get less of it. It is that simple. That is the choice between socialism and free enterprise, between success and failure, between American greatness and God forbid American decline. That is the choice on the ballot this November. And in fact, if you listen to his speech, you would have no idea that Republicans are in power right now in Ohio, in Congress, and especially in the White House.

14:30That is the truth. And we stand up for the truth. That is who we are as concerned. And I want to hire to be the state that leads our country back to greatness, for us to be the state that Texas and Florida and Tennessee look up to rather than the other way around. On one hand, I get that his focus is local. It is a governor's race after all. But I still think it is notable that when Ramoswami talks about things like bringing jobs back to Ohio, he makes no mention of Trump's tariffs. The administration's signature economic policy aimed at regions just like this one. At the turn of the last century, we were the wealthiest state of the union. We led the first industrial revolution. Even in 1950, six of the top 15 wealthiest cities in America were here, Dayton-Ledding and Computing. My hometown of Cincinnati was known around the world as the Queen City, the machine

15:32tools hub, the Consumer Products Capital. In fact, I had heard a lot of this speech already. It's basically the same one that Ramoswami would give back when he was running for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. I will still say, as a father of three young kids myself, there is no other country on planet Earth where I would rather have been born and raised. There is no other country on planet Earth where I would rather be raised and our kids than this one. There is no other time in human history where I would rather have been born and raised our kids at this moment now. And for that, we must be grateful. The biggest difference was his focus on public education, an issue that we don't hear that often from congressional midterms candidates. Ramoswami mentioned it several times in his speech. And when he started to take questions from the audience, it was clear the issue was on their minds too. So my mom is the first grade teacher in inner city Akron and there is a literacy crisis.

16:35What will you do to guarantee the third grade reading guarantee, which is the biggest predictor if a child will graduate from high school? Love your question. Is your mom teaching what grade? She teaches first grade in Akron and the interstitial. Amazing. Give your mom a round of applause for her right here. She here with us? Okay. We'll tell her we appreciate her. And I also found this question about data centers to be particularly interesting given our previous report. The candidate pitched data centers as a solution for abandoned industrial sites in Ohio. But when the audience questions began, it wasn't clear they were buying it. Data centers. Okay. Can we put them on airport property where there's already turbines making lots of noise? What's easy to win? Yes. I had a question about this coming in. I'll give you the short answer on laying out a full policy on this. But short answer is put them on abandoned industrial sites. If you're going to put them anywhere, it just makes a lot of sense. We got a lot of abandoned industrial sites. Tone in a farm land. It doesn't make any sense to use virgin farm land or residential communities.

17:38We have a lot of abandoned industrial sites. Deindustrial is after the event. After the event, I wanted to see how Rama Swami's pitch landed with the voters in attendance. You know, there is a lot of, you know, hollowed out industry in these areas and one of what Rama Swami was saying was that you could use those places to kind of bring in different AI firms or things like that that could help folks. I know that sometimes makes people a little scared though. Like I was wondering for you, like when you hear someone say that, does that make you think, you know, hey, this could be something that helps Ohio or when you hear things like AI and let us impact on jobs, you worry about how it could hurt Ohio. Right. Personally, I haven't seen the value of data centers for our society. And in the long term, you know, I don't know if those are going to be good, good for our society or use the right ways. And I have a lot of concerns about their energy usage and their water usage and their noise. You know, it seems like no one's worried about the global climate change anymore all of a sudden.

18:41Where these things have a big impact. Big environmental impact, for sure. In large part, attendees defended Rama Swami's decision to avoid Trump. Did that surprise you? No, because it's his own governor. Yeah, you're saying he's focusing on his own vision. Yeah, since race. Well, this is an Ohio race, a little Ohio governor. Donald Trump's name didn't come up in there. Did that surprise you? No, because Donald Trump may run in the campaign. You said it's about governor. It's about Rick Rama Swami. And when I ask whether it would be beneficial for Republicans to just distance themselves from an unpopular president, the voters provided a familiar excuse. No, because it's all Joe Biden's fault anyway. Now, we've talked to people who seem to be contending with some uncomfortable numbers. Donald Trump's gotten a little more unpopular as the war gets worse. As gas prices go up, what do you think Republicans should be saying to win votes in November? Well, without a doubt, they need to be bragging about what we've accomplished so far.

19:42And what people are forgetting is how bad, and I emphasize the word bad, things were under the Biden regime. If you could list the Trump accomplishments that matter the most to you, what would they be? Well, we've got inflation on the control for the most part. And we've got new jobs coming here. We have new companies moving back. Under Biden, prices went up when prices go up. They stay out. The inflation was inherited. Trump's inflation, free, much lower than historical. I don't know. I don't know if you're baiting me. No, I guess I'm just asking. How long does that window of basically deference last? Yeah, and not to mention my IRA has, it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. It happens. It happens under Biden. It happens under every president. The price goes up. Shit happens. It is what it is.

20:46We are gone to this event in hopes of speaking with Ramoswami directly. I mean, he's usually the guy who talks. And he's usually happy to talk about Donald Trump. But his team turned us down for an interview at the event, and they ignored several requests for a follow-up. But I think that speaks directly to the pickle Republican candidates are in for the midterms. I mean, Donald Trump is still the most popular figure among their most committed voters. So they can't distance themselves. But at the same time, he's increasingly disliked nationally. So they can't really defend him. Instead, they're taking what I call the ostrich strategy, just hiding their heads in the sand, hoping everything works out for them. But to this point, there's a little evidence that it has. Just this week, new polling showed Ramoswami, trailing Democrat Amy Acton by nine points in the governor's race. A shocking number considering just how red Ohio has become.

21:47So when Trump says, Pretend that I'm on the ballot. I think that's a bet. Democrats will gladly take him up on. He's driving the enthusiasm among their base. And he's depressing the enthusiasm among the Republican one. America actually will be in your feeds every Saturday with an interesting interview and culture or politics. You can also watch these episodes as the Vox YouTube channel. Just go to youtube.com slash Vox or click the link in the show notes. If you enjoy our reporting and you want to learn more, sign up for my weekly newsletter midterms actually. Go to Vox.com slash midterms actually to learn more. That's Vox.com slash midterms actually. This show was edited by Kasha Vrasalian, fact checked by Esther Gim and mixed by Shannon Mahoney. Christopher Snyder is our video editor and Kuhnui is our senior art director. Our executive producer is Christina Valis and our theme music is by break master cylinder.

22:50Additional support from Miranda Kennedy, David Tadashore, and Nisha Tatar. I'm a Steadhurnton and this is America actual. Support for the show comes from TikTok. There is a scientifically documented correlation between listening to podcasts and curiosity. So since you're here, you probably enjoyed discovering new things. One great place to indulge your curiosity is TikTok. Whether it's how to forecast volcanic eruptions, strange phenomena that the James Webb Space Telescope picked up near the beginning of time, or a literal deep dive on the ocean's deepest reefs. TikTok has a wealth of fascinating videos just waiting to be discovered. Your next discovery is waiting on TikTok. Learn more at TikTok.com slash discover more. I'm Josh Muccio, host of the pitch, where startup founders raise millions and listeners can invest.

23:51For our sweet season 16, we're giving you more of what you love and less of what you don't. I definitely start to blank out when we're talking about middleware AI wrappers. Software is out. Actual cool stuff is in. We've got consumer brands. We're building eight sleep for daytime. Hardware that helps blind people see. They kept asking for middle finger. Next thing we knew, we had like 10 students running around flipping each other off. We've got deep tech to change the weather. Our big vision is to make it rain and snow on demand. What if you wanted to not make it rain somewhere else? Like one day we're just like screw Arizona. And dairy? I never imagined my life journey would be milk. Season 16 of the pitch is out now. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. This season is presented by Engine.