The Patrick Madrid Show: September 18, 2026 - Hour 3

0:00Hi Patrick Madrid here. Thanks for listening. Check out charity mobile and prayerfully consider making them your wireless carrier. Mention offer code Patrick and get a free phone. Go to charitymobile.com. Compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, encouragement for your day, it's the Patrick Madrid show on row of his radio. Let's continue. 888-914-9149's a number to call to be on the year and emails please send those to Patrick at relevantradio.com. Max sent me a note saying that's the Johnny Carson effect. He talked about my sharing about a little when I was a little kid in the third grade. There was a girl in my class named Faith. I don't remember anything about her other than that. She smelled bad. She kind of like I need to put it this way but kind of like on Charlie Brown, peanuts,

1:04pig pen sort of always moving through life in a cloud of dirt I guess. And in her case all I remember about her was that she had a bad odor always around her like a cloud. If you got closer than maybe three feet away you could start smelling it. And I wasn't used to that. I was just a kid. What did I know? I didn't know anything. And I just as my little third year old brain was in those days I just didn't like being around her. And I never really thought anything about it. So what Mac is referring to is I just shared briefly how many years later as an adult I there was a colleague in a company I was working for at the time not relevant radio not even in the Catholic world at all. This is pre all of that. And her name was Faith's totally nice lady. Nothing nothing whatsoever objectionable about her at all. She was just a really nice lady. But I noticed that I had taken a kind of instant dislike to her. And I it kind of bothered

2:08me because I couldn't figure out why. And so I thought about it and prayed about it and it dawned on me because I had forgotten all about the third great classmate that it was simply the fact that she had the same name as the girl in my class. So that's what Mac is referring to in his question. He says that's the Johnny Carson effect. All three of Johnny Carson's wives had similar names. I think it triggered the initial powerful love. I've noticed similar likes and dislikes for certain named people. Good point Mac and I guess you you understand what I'm talking about. Marie says bring back Bingo Bango bring it back. She says all right consider it done your wishes my command and Bingo Bango. We used to say I used to say that a lot Cyrus. You know where that came from. I bet you don't. Do you remember where that came from? I have no idea. That came from my then little kid

3:12grandson Patrick. And Patrick as a little guy he would say Bingo Bango. And I picked up on that on the show and I mentioned it a few times then it took off right alongside purpose driven coffee or purpose driven taco. And we rode that way for quite a long time. And and you're right Marie. I didn't I haven't said Bingo Bango in a while. So Bingo Bango Bingo Bingo Bingo Bango. I did not know that. Mama, mama, this is from Francisco and he says in Miami. He says after Lucifer and his followers rebelled against God and were expelled from his presence God allowed them to dwell on earth and to tempt Adam and Eve. Who were who were his new creations here on earth being in perfect creatures they fell and thus Christ was sent to save us from our original sin. Was it fair to allow Satan who once was in God's presence to dwell among us leading us to sin and his son had to suffer on the cross for the man for for the salvation of mankind? Well, I don't I don't think I would put it

4:15in terms of fairness and just a little note here that Satan and the fallen angels were never in God's presence. They were never in God's direct presence. They didn't see God face to face in the beatific vision. They were all given a test. The angels that passed the test immediately went into the beatific vision. So they were confirmed in their goodness and grace permanently for all eternity. So they began to see God face to face as the reward for passing their test. Those who failed the test were cast down but not cast down out of God's direct presence. They were just cast down never to be in God's presence, never to see the beatific vision. So when it comes to fairness, I wouldn't put it in terms of fairness. It was God's wisdom, God's eternal wisdom that he would permit this to happen. And although I don't claim in any way to even scratch more than the surface

5:16of the wisdom of God when it comes to something as Augustus is this, why did God permit this to happen? Why did God allow Satan to be in the Garden of Eden to tempt Adam and Eve? loftier minds than mine will have to sort through those matters. But one thing I think I can say with confidence is it was a way for Adam and Eve to undergo their own test. And by failing the test in their case, losing for all of us those supernatural and preternatural gifts that God had endowed them with that they lost for themselves and for the rest of humanity. So it was an instrumental purpose that God did not want them to fall. He knew of course that they would fall from all eternity. God knows everything. But that as part of his wisdom, his eternal plan that he made use of as an instrument, you might say, the role of Satan in the Garden for that purpose. Great question, though. I appreciate that. And then lastly, Ruben and Riverside says regarding climate change, we had a

6:23fun discussion about that, not the science, but the indoctrination factor. Ruben, we talked about that earlier in the show today. He says, why can't I still not afford a home on the California coast, climate change? I don't know. I mean, I'm thinking about all the people in Pacific palisades whose houses are gone now. By the way, we should check in with Adam Corolla, Cyrus, because last I heard he was giving a list of all the things that from the contractors that they didn't have yet that needed to rebuild those homes. It's been over a year now. Where is he on that list? You know, let me, let me dial you up. Is he, is he still doing that? Months. Yeah. It's the fire. Nine months. No construction, zero construction. No forms, no form ties, no one by six, no headers, no king studs, no trimmers, no walmenized bottom plates, no jaybolts,

7:26no choice hangers, no HDs, no Simpson strad. All right. Okay, he's still at it. Tico clips. Ribbon or ribbon. Rubin. I'm sorry. That's why you can't afford a home on the California coast, because they're allowed to burn down and then they don't get rebuilt. Check in with Mayor Bass about that. She might have some insights from. I bet when, I'll be worried about it when insurance companies will no longer ensure houses on the coast. Well, then where are they going to put their? They got to put something. I don't know. There's money to be made. There's real estate tax money to be made. Let's go to Maureen and Lake Forest still annoyed. Good morning, Maureen. Hello. Thank you for taking my call. I had two questions. One had it just to do with infant baptism. Okay. And I know you've covered this. I'm just trying to figure out where I've still listened to the podcast after I'm not writing it down, but how to

8:29justified. I was in conversation with someone who was Baptist and that was like one of the first things it brought up. The other question was, was the public church like approved? Let's say Protestant marriages. Like if you've been married in the Protestant church and let's say you convert. Would you have to go through the have your marriage blessed in the Catholic church or would they recognize the marriage? Okay. Why don't I start with that one and then we'll circle back to infant baptism. That's okay. So the first thing to point out would be that marriage as such between a man and a woman is a primordial institution established by God before all religion. So it is a natural, you might say, a natural institution that has supernatural dimensions when two baptized people get married. Then it becomes this sacrament of holy matrimony in that case. But even without

9:30two baptized people, the church asserts and defends and recognizes that valid marriage exists between a man and a woman who are eligible to be married to each other. So this is why the church would say that it's presumption is that a marriage is valid unless it can be proven to be invalid or null. So when we say this is the Catholic church, a proof of such marriages, I wouldn't say the word approve is quite the right word. I would say recognizes the validity of marriage between any two men and women. I mean, one man and one woman. Okay. Okay. As long as they're eligible to be married, all of the things being equal. Does that satisfy that question? It does. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. And as for infant baptism, there's much that one could say and then we could also sort of summarize it by saying that infant baptism properly understood doesn't require the

10:32infant to know what's happening in the way similar to how in the old covenant circumcision didn't require the eight day old child boy to know what was happening. And if he did know what was happening, he would probably ask that it not happen. But the parents would covenant with God on behalf of the child. And it was a real and durable covenant that was made with God on behalf of the child, even though the child had no say in it. And baptism in the new covenant supersedes and replaces circumcision, which was just an ordinance. It didn't actually change the ontology of the soul in the way that baptism does. Baptism regenerates the soul. And so the reason we baptize babies is because of the effects of baptism. It's not merely an ordinance. It's not merely an outward sign. It actually does what it symbolizes. And so for that reason, even infants, you have no capability of repenting the way in Jerusalem in Acts chapter two, St. Peter says,

11:37repent and be baptized. And you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, forgiveness of sins, et cetera. Those people then and there had to repent because they were adults. But even an infant can and should receive the sacrament of baptism because of the effects of the power of Christ working in the sacrament. So we could we could pause there. Does that give you what you're looking for? Because I mean, we could say much more. But no, that doubt it's simple, straightforward. Thank you very much. You're most welcome. I appreciate the call. Let's go to Ann now in San Diego. Good morning, Ann. Good morning. I have a situation where I'll go through the quick version. Okay, I was married in a church. My husband was baptized Catholic, wasn't raised Catholic. We got divorced 23 years later. He remarried. I filed for an ennormant and all the paperwork got lost. So it never happened. His wife passed away after about 10 years. We're back together again.

12:43He wants to get remarried. And I was just wondering if what's the next step to take? Do we have to go through the ennormant? Do I still married in the eyes of the church? I'm not sure what the next step would be. Yes, this is a canon law question. And I'll preface my remarks by saying I'm not a canon lawyer. So I can't give you I'm not equipped or competent to give you canon law advice. I can tell you what I think the answer would be. But I would refer you to your local. So in the diocese of San Diego, in which you reside, there is a marriage tribunal office. And you can get in touch with them through the website for the diocese. If you just go there, you can drill down and get to them. Okay. And what I would suggest is to ask if you could have a consultation with one of the canon lawyers in the diocese, but it's probably going to be a local pastor if I had to guess.

13:44In layout, all the specifics and tell you know all the details that you need to say you were married, you got divorced, he got remarried. His wife died. You and he are now friends again and you're wanting to resume your marriage. What does the canon law picture look like here? But here's what I think you're likely to hear. I think what he will say is since there was no declaration of nullity on your first marriage, the presumption is that your marriage with him originally is valid. He went off the rails and did something really sinful by getting remarried to this other woman. That was not a valid marriage on the face of it because he probably got married like at the justice of the peace or in some other context. I think his uncle married him. Yeah. So if he was a Catholic, then obviously that would be an invalid marriage. But she's now dead. Make sure that's a piece. So there's a reset sort of effect going on here where that is no longer

14:50an issue. So I think the answer would be technically speaking, no, you don't have to have an annulment proceeding to have the church make a declaration as to whether or not your marriage originally was valid. The presumption is it is valid. In which case, although you'd have to remedy the civil divorce, and there would be a, I guess, a civil marriage as far as the state was concerned, as far as the church is concerned, my guess is the cantalora will tell you you always were married to him. And you had this break in living together and all the stuff that went on. But there's really nothing preventing you that I can see from reuniting and living again as a married couple in the eyes of the church, even though you would need to get that piece of paper from the state. Okay. Well, that answers my question and it takes a big relief off on my mind. I'm glad. But do check with the canon lawyer. I'm only interpreting what I think the answer

15:53would be. Okay. Well, thank you very much for taking my call. I really appreciate you. You're welcome, man. Thank you. How about Tom now in Chicago? Good morning, Tom. Good morning, Patrick. How are you? I'm well. Thank you. I was wondering, I was listening to Archbishop Follin-Scheen on one o'clock on Relover Radio and maybe last week or something. And he said that we can't help how we feel. It's just because it's an emotion. I used to feel bad about that sometimes because I would feel bad, something's about people. And I would make myself feel bad. And he said that and you know, you can't apply your feel, but you can love that person because love is in the will. So love is in the will if you do, if you're being nice to him and be nice to him and do nice things, maybe we'll start, you know, or learning to love like you love, like people love, like you're being loved. And then, you know, and you might like him. Right, right, right. No, it's it's so true. And the late great Archbishop Follin-Scheen, he was like a fire hydrant of truth constantly telling people the truth. God,

16:54you know, God certainly has blessed him. I would only add to what he said. And that is that you're right. It is an act of the will. And this is the essence of the gospel is that what does Jesus say? He says, the greatest commandment is love God with all your heart, mind and strength. And the second is to love your neighbor as yourself. And he says, all the commandments are subsumed into these two commandments. So to your point and Archbishop Schenspoint, if in your will, you seek the good of the person that you don't like, or maybe who doesn't like you, or maybe both. And yet you still act with charity toward him or her, you're fulfilling that commandment. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Okay, well, thank you very much, Patrick. You're welcome. Thank you. And that's the perfect time to take a quick break. We'll do that now. Come back. The number is 88 914 9149. And we might even have some time to get to a little more audio. We never know. We got some additional audio. Cyrus,

17:59I'll throw a dart and give you, oh, you know what? Let's come back to audio four Catholic Lingo with comedian Josh Prey right after this. It's pure chicaneery. Hi, Patrick Madrid here. Thanks for listening to my podcast. In today's crazy world, finding companies that align with your Catholic values is a challenge. Your choice of cell phone provider matters. Cyrus, and I switched to charity mobile and you should too. Enjoy excellent coverage on America's most reliable network while supporting a pro life pro family company. Use offer code Patrick for a free phone. Don't miss out. Act now at charity mobile dot com. Our show sponsor, Avi Maria Mutual Funds offers a prospectus where you can find out more information about how you can invest your hard earned money and avoid supporting immoral issues. Info at Avi Maria Funds dot com. That's Avi Maria Funds dot com. Welcome back to the Patrick

19:02Madrid show on relevant radio. Go, Cyrus, go. You never had one lesson. All right. Your practice is paying off, Cyrus. Never had one lesson. I know. I know. Is that amazing? Who would believe that? All right. Let's play audio for this is comedian Josh Prey talking about Catholic Lingo. Did you know if you're a Catholic, did you know that that we are recognizable by the things we say? Check it out. Okay. Pallitely. Catholic have absolutely no idea how Catholic they sound in regular conversation. Trust me. None zero zilch. I've spent enough time around Catholics as of late to realize y'all have an entire secret, entirely secret language that y'all don't even know y'all speak. And like, for example, you'll be having an incompletely normal conversation

20:05with somebody and they'll say, well, father told me, hold on. Your dad, your biological father, no, father Michael. Uh oh. Okay. You mean the priest because Catholics don't say my priest, they say father with absolutely no additional information. You could be talking about taxes. Well, father said I should probably who is the man and why is he involved in all of your finances? See, then Catholics start dropping words into conversations that sound like they belong in a medieval video game, though. Yeah, Josh, I've been going to adoration. You've been going to what? That sounds like a place where they hand you a white robe and you disappear into the mountains. Somewhere nope. Catholics know exactly what it means. And then somebody probably gonna say that's a mortal sin. Okay, a mortal sin. Why does that sound like my soul just called a felony? Because it ain't mortal combat because Catholics don't have regular levels of trouble. Everything sounds official. You don't, you don't just mess up in Catholicism. Now we got to figure out if it's

21:11video or mortal. I didn't even know my sins had weight classes to them. Then you were here. I'm in a state of grace, a state of grace. That sounds like your spiritual credit score is like at 70, 90. Now you can walk into heaven and find there's a blessing with zero down payment. Catholics say all of this like everybody understands is that like the end of the story talking about saints. My patron saint is your what? You got a heavenly representative at all time. Catholic to have people in departments. You lost, you lose something. Saint Anthony. If you traveling, Saint Christopher something something impossible is happening. Somebody knows exactly which saint needs to be tagged in like a wrestling match. Catholics got heaven organized like customer service. Thank you for calling for your lost keys. Please press Saint Anthony and Catholics can spot other Catholics without anybody announcing that they Catholic. That's probably what fascinates me the most because there are little to no clues. Somebody says father instead of the priest.

22:15Catholic. Okay, we get them. Somebody says they can't make Friday dinner during lit because they're meat Catholic. I see you. Somebody drives past a Catholic church and hits that sign of the cross. So fast you better catch. Oh, oh, oh, oh, you can you Catholic Catholic. That's Catholic radar. Catholics don't need to ask each other. They just slowly reveal themselves. You'll be talking to somebody for three months and one day their casually say yeah, after Mass on Sunday. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute, Mass. You Catholic. That's it. And suddenly the whole relationship changes and now y'all comparing parishes and where you go and who's your priest and what time y'all mass last till y'all got a Sunday. Visual y'all going to look at how quickly this became an investigation. And I think the funniest thing Catholics could possibly do is use this little power in public because Catholics don't need a secret handshake. They don't

23:16need a special hat. They don't need a membership card like the Costco or Best Buy. If you think you're surrounded by Catholics and you know, you need to know for sure, walk into the middle of a Walmart. Stand near the protege section and at the top of your lawn say the Lord be with you. Then wait because somewhere between bananas and great value bread you go here and with your spirit. Got. There they go. Catholics will expose themselves automatically. Then they won't have time to think about it. And with your spirit, that's how you find out where your people are. Forget the Facebook groups. Forget Catholic match dot whatever. Forget parish direct greas just walk through a Walmart yelling pieces of the mass until somebody finish the sentence. Catholics don't have a secret language. They have a language. They they somehow forgot was a secret. That's awesome.

24:19What's his name again? He's really good. Yeah. What his name is Josh Prey. Yeah spelled PR. A. Y. Yeah, look at that. I love it reminded me and that's a great great debate there. It reminds me of that saying if you were accused of being Catholic, would there be enough evidence to convict you? That's a good question. Yeah. If you're if you're accused of being a follower of Jesus, would there be enough evidence in your life to convict you of that? I sure hope so. Let's go to Rita in California. Good morning Rita. Oh, good morning. Hi. Hi, I wanted to comment about the traditional Latin math. Okay. Greed bellering the fact that it's not just about the language, but that anyway, I wanted to say that the divine mercy started in the traditional Latin right and it's kind of reverse that the traditional Latin right community doesn't accept the divine mercy

25:25because it was hidden during World War II. So the hope is to have them actually accept the divine mercy, although the SSP does accept it. It's the only community I know that accept the divine mercy at the moment. Yeah. I never actually wondered. I mean, until now, it's an interesting question whether or not the SSPX really cared one way or the other about divine mercy. I didn't know about that. Well, the strangest thing is that I did attend SSPX. Well, I go to all the Latin masses wherever I am. And so I do attend SSPX at times and my spiritual director with SSPX. He was very good advisor regarding saints. However, the pastor wouldn't accept it. And the strangest thing is he was no wizardal. And he doesn't know anything about the divine mercy. He switched to SSPX. Yeah,

26:28I was shocked. So I couldn't I couldn't promote it because he's no wizardal and he doesn't know anything about the divine mercy. It's not hard to find out more. I mean, maybe you could get him a copy. They're inexpensive, but a paperback copy of the diary of St. Faustina. That might be helpful for him. Yeah, because St. Faustina was in the Latin right. 1931 is when she died, right? Yeah. In Poland. So she was always in the Latin right. She never knew the Nova Sordal. Right. I mean, because she died long before Vatican II. That's true. So I see your point about that. So did you have a comment about maybe I want to make sure I hear what your point is. Maybe I've gotten to it yet. Well, I think my point would be that the Latin masses beautiful, not because of the language. They do have booklets. They're colored red, the Roman missile, in English, you know, left side Latin right side English. And then I have one right here. It's a matter of fact. Left

27:33side Latin or right side Spanish. So the Spanish is like off white. So people who attend the Latin mass, they have those booklets. Or you can even get it online. Like, yeah, when to go through the live mass.net live mass.net is SSB. You go below and it says missile and you have it right there. It's yeah. No, that's cool. I like that. And I actually have a copy of that paperback red cover misalette that was given to me. Let me ask you of let's do a thought experiment because you love the traditional Latin mass. I do too. Now Nancy and I, we attend the regular new mass at our parish in our diocese. But I've always loved the traditional Latin mass grew up with it as a child, kind of as a fluke. But in any case, how would you, would you go to, would you like to go to, would you keep going to the traditional Latin mass if it was exactly the same in every detail

28:34with the exception that it was translated entirely into English? Would that, would that bother you one way or the other or no? Well, I do read it in English translated from the Latin when I follow the Latin mass. And in fact, in our diocese, the bishop got rid of all the, you know, ICKFB, Institute of Christchurchin, Southern priest and took it to the San Francisco because Codalione loves Latin mass. You know, and I would say is be patient because this pendulum will swing back in that direction eventually. In due time, there will be a course correction. I'm quite certain of that. We may not live to see it, but it will happen. But in any case, so back to my thought experiment, let's say that it's the traditional Latin mass entirely in English. There's not a word of Latin, not even Greek in the Kierie, just all English, but it's exactly, it's a faithful translation of the traditional Latin mass. And maybe this may not be so much a

29:38question for you, but the people that you know in the Latin mass community, do you think they would gravitate toward that or no? That's a good question. However, I think it should be at orientation. Let's say it is. Let's say it is. Let's say it's exactly the same with no change whatsoever, except it's every single syllable of it is in English. I think Pope Benedict XVI did that already. No, he didn't do that. He approved the revision of the new mass in English. The prior version of the mass in English was very clunky and to some extent, very banal and pedestrian. So he oversaw and approved of a dramatic improvement in the translation and restoration of many of the prayers that have been taken out. That's true. But it's still the new mass. In other words, if you go to like you would say a novice ordo parish, that's the mass that you're going to see there or hear

30:38there. And that's still not the traditional mass. Even though under Pope Benedict, it was it was greatly improved to bring it closer, much closer to the prayers underlying it in the Latin. But I don't want to badger you and I hope you don't feel like I am, but I'm just curious. I'll try one more time. Do you think that your Latin mass friends would love it and go to regularly a traditional Latin mass that was not in Latin? It was the exact same thing in every respect, but it was all in English. Do you think they would like it or do you think no? And this is just a conjecture. I have no way of knowing. I'm just wondering what you think. If the reverence was the same, if the reverence was the same, I would really know because I know that Father Glenn and St. Margaret Mary Oakland, he learned from the ICKSP and now he's wondering a lot about it. He used to do it at Oriental and English partially Latin and so many

31:40people attended. Now he's the one doing a lot in that. He loves it and so he does both. He does the Nova Turtle and he does it partially at Oriental. Yeah. I understand. Well, maybe that thought experiment's not going to fly today, but perhaps some of you listening right now have an opinion on that. Thanks for the call read. I appreciate it. Maybe I have an opinion on that. And this again, just conjecture, it's purely theoretical. I'm not saying that even that it would happen, but it would be interesting to see how much of the love for the traditional Latin mass is tied to the Latin language. More so, perhaps, than the structure and the form in the prayers of the mass itself. I wonder if those pious years, some of them anyway, might be offended or at least not get into it. If it was exactly the same mass in every respect, but there was no Latin.

32:41That would be an interesting thought experiment. Let's go to Mariana now and McCall in Texas. Hi, Mariana. Hi, good morning, Patrick. This is my first year starting as a catacus volunteer in the new parish that I'm at. And I wasn't nervous at first, but now I am. I think because I've been more and more about how much of a responsibility you have when you are an educator in the faith, like in the church, and how teachers will be punished more if they hurt the little ones and stuff. And I don't know why, but I'm more nervous. Oh, I'm sorry, that's my baby. I'm more nervous now. That's okay. Because what are you nervous about being in front of the kids, like speaking in public, kind of nervous? No, not necessarily. It would be because I don't know what exactly it is that I

33:42need to make sure they learn because the kids that I have, it's not even a sacramental class, it's a safe formation class. And for me, I feel that's more daunting because they don't technically have to be there. Are you working from a prepared curriculum, like a textbook? Yeah, there is a curriculum, but our, I guess like our coordinator, our coordinator, let us know that we follow the curriculum. And basically, if there's things that you want to do that's high in with the lesson for the day, you should do that. And you should kind of bring your own span into it and have like your own style and stuff, right? I guess. So my kids are six graders. And I feel like that's such a hard age because there's only a safe formation class. It's not a sacramental class, so they don't have to be there. They're in middle school. And so like, how am I going to keep them? How do I make them want to have a relationship with Jesus? And how do I make them want to be

34:46interested in learning about their faith? I feel like it's such a hard age in middle school. You know what really worked for me when I was that age? It was the lives of the saints. It was reading the lives of the saints. And my mom and dad, God bless them, both still alive, their health is not great, but I really do attribute a great deal of my own formation in the faith. When I didn't even realize I was being formed as a kid at that age, sixth grade, especially, they had a large library in our home, hundreds and hundreds of books, most of them, Catholic books, I mean, not all, but and among the books that they had that I just devoured, they had any number of books on lives of the saints. In some cases, they were books about a particular saint. They also had a like compendium books about many different saints. And I had a habit of being grounded fairly frequently because I was mischievous. I wasn't a bad kid. I was just, you know, lazy and shiftless and mischievous, you know. And so I would get grounded. And my parents didn't

35:51realize it at the time, but I didn't mind at all being grounded because I could be reading books in my room. I was a reading rabbit. So all of that to say is that for me personally reading the stories of the lives of the saints, especially the early Christian martyrs and things, had a profound impact on me as a kid. And it really helped opened up, it opened up the doors of perception in my mind about Jesus. And what it means to love Jesus, to love the triune God. So I throw that out there as a suggestion. Maybe if you woven to your curriculum, your augmenting maybe with. And today's saint, we're going to talk about it as Saint Dominic Savio. And you give a five minute overview of Saint Dominic Savio, for example, I think that could only help. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Do you know what? So you say that you have a large library of books, right? So do you remember specific books or do you? Now I can give you something even better.

36:54Because a lot of sixth graders, unfortunately, they've been given phones full of simple parents. So they're not in the habit of reading books. I tell you, we can cut right through all that and play for them. Maybe you could do this once a month or once a week or maybe you could sign it as homework as part of the class. You know, this week your homework is to listen to one of the saints podcasts that we have here on relevant radio. There are, I think in the neighborhood of at least, if not exactly at least close to a hundred of the well-produced, highly-produced saints podcasts and the list of saints, men and women, boys and girls is very long. And they're professionally acted. It is really quite something to listen to. And it's for all ages. But I can guarantee you that your sixth graders will love hearing these stories. And that will bypass their inability to read books. Just play those for them. You can get them all at relevant radio.com. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. No, I think that will get to them.

38:01I know it will. Hopefully it goes well. Please pray for me. Yes, I will. How old is the little one you have there? Oh, she's just... Oh, actually, today's her 15 months birthday. Oh, congratulations. Well, God bless you and your beautiful family and your teaching of the sixth grade kids. And by all means, go to relevantradio.com and browse through the different saints podcasts and maybe pick out a few. And perhaps the homework can also be, you know, have your parents download the relevant radio app on their smartphones so they can play the saints' stories in the car on the way to church or school or that kind of thing. Yeah. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, you're welcome. Good to talk to you. All right, break time. We'll be right back. Our show sponsor, Avi Maria Mutual Funds offers a prospectus where you can find out more information about how you can invest your hard earned money and avoid supporting immoral issues. Info at AviMariaFunds.com. That's AviMariaFunds.com.

39:06Welcome back to the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. Have a question. Give Patrick a call. 888-914-9149. That's 888-914-9149. Patrick Madrid on relevant radio. Okay, we are back as you could probably tell. 88-914-9149. So, I would call it beyond the air. And emails, those can go to patrickatrelevantradio.com. By the way, Cyrus, we had a caller named Jessica on the show today and it didn't click in my mind that we should do this. But when I first saw audio clip number six, it's a video about how to stop baby chantrooms. Now, I know a lot of you young moms right now listening right now have babies or toddlers at your feet, lady Madonna, and maybe you're dealing with the stress of baby chantrooms.

40:15Now, Nancy and I, as I never tire of saying, had a lot of kids, the 11 kids. So, you know, we know about babies and chantrooms and crying and things like that. It's stressful. Had you ever seen this technique before, Cyrus? I never had personally. I wish I would have seen it when I could have used it. At first, I thought it was a spoof, but it's not a spoof. I don't want to explain it, but do you have audio six ready? Yeah. Okay, so this is it. It's interesting. Go ahead and set it up. You're about to set it up. Go ahead. Well, I mean, every one of us that's a parent has had a screaming kid and you just want him to stop. And apparently there's a hack. There's a life hack that's been in the real the whole time. And I could have used it, but I didn't know about it. And it's real. That's the weird thing about it. So all you young moms and dads, too, for that matter, you're in the kitchen, you're around the house. You got little kids and you know about baby chantrooms. Listen to this. Jessica. Jessica.

41:21Jessica. The kid's not named Jessica. Jessica. Jessica. Jessica. Let's not fast that baby subscribe. Where are you Jessica? Instantly. Jessica. Jessica. Jessica. Jessica. It's wild. Jessica. Jessica. Jessica. Jessica. That's fine. Jessica. Jessica. And just like that. Sarah, how old were you when you realized that your name wasn't Jessica?

42:22Probably I pretty young. Pretty young. I'm going to say. I mean, I have to believe that that works because this is like, you know, many different parents and others who are quelling the tantrum of the little child. And it's amazing. They stop instantly when you say that. I bet it doesn't work if your kid's name is Jessica. Huh. Yeah, it probably does. But is Jessica really that common anymore? It used to be a very common name for girls back in the 70s, 80s? Does it have to be Jessica? Can it be any Cyrus? Yeah, right. That might make them cry harder if you say Cyrus. Hey, we should tell you all you moms out there with the little ones. Let's do a thought experiment. Try the Jessica technique and see if it stops your baby cold from crying. And if they start crying again, say Jessica again, but also try Cyrus. Cyrus. See what happens.

43:24They might start, I mean, maybe all the babies listening with their moms right now all started crying. I hope not. I wonder what Patrick would do. They'd probably start laughing. Nothing sweeter than a baby's laugh. Let's go to Mike in Orange County. Hello, Mike. Hi, Patrick. Hey, hey, thank you for the thought experiment there on the traditional Latin mass, but being said in English. Yeah, what do you think about it? I think it's a great idea. I grew up in here in Orange County at the same time you did up at, I was at St. John the Baptist then in Costa Mesa. Oh, yeah. But I only had the Nova Sordo, you know, when I was growing up. And I love going to the traditional Latin mass now. I love the reverence, the smells and bells. As I think you heard it called, but not having any Latin in my background, I'm constantly trying to follow along in the little red book and sort of translate the Latin into the English for myself. And I find that very distracting. So for me, I would love to have it at least try it where the

44:31traditional Latin mass, all the form and everything that happens, the reverence is happening, but the words are all in English. I would love to try that at some point. Wouldn't that be interesting? I'm not predicting it will happen, but some, a caller earlier on the program today sort of alluded to that possibility. And I find it intriguing. Now, I'm sure that the purists will poo-poo the idea and, you know, would reject it out of hand. Okay, whatever. But in terms of a thought experiment, what I find interesting about it is it, I think it would help determine to what extent is the person enamored of Latin as such more than the structure in the pairs of the mass. But if they could have the structure in the pairs of the mass exactly as it is in the traditional Latin mass, but it would all be in English. And you don't have that language barrier. You wouldn't have to look at a miscelled, I mean, you still could of course, but you wouldn't have to translate on the fly.

45:36And it would say a lot about what is it that the person really loves about this? And for some, I wonder if it might be just that it's in Latin. You know? Yeah, and I think if you think back to, you know, Vatican II and the idea of getting the congregation more involved in the mass, well, maybe people were not involved in the mass or not paying attention because they didn't understand Latin. You know, maybe that whole premise was was was off, you know? So yeah, I think it would be interesting to try. I'd certainly try it myself if it were available. Have you ever been to the traditional Latin mass in the Sarah Chapel at St. Mission Sallong, Capastrano? Just south of you? You know, I have not. No, we primarily go out to St. Michael's Abbey or we go over to St. John the Baptist when we want to. Two people in the Latin mass. Yeah, two thumbs up on those places. So here's just here's another thought experiment. If you ever get a chance, I believe the

46:36daily mass, you'd have to look on the website. Could be a 7 a.m. mass. I don't know, but I know that they still have the traditional Latin mass there in the Sarah Chapel, not in the Basilica, but in the Sarah Chapel. And that's where I was an altar boy in the early 1970s for several years running, three, four years running because I went to the school that that building is gone now, but the new school building sits on where the old school was. And so school started, I don't know, eight o'clock or something like that. So I would serve mass, the traditional Latin mass. It was a low mass, most every weekday morning, because I was really into it. And then I'd go to school right after that. And I didn't really think anything of it, but that was before I did any academic study of Latin. So I did years of that in high school and more years of that in college, but I had never studied Latin before I was a kid serving the traditional mass. But I memorized the prayers that I

47:42had to memorize. And I, it's hard to explain, but even though I didn't really fully, I couldn't like translate it word for word, I understood probably because it was explained to me what the prayer meant. And so there was that sort of middle ground where even though I had not yet studied Latin as a language, I was exposed to it enough and long enough that I began to understand it even though I couldn't translate it word for word. If that makes sense, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I do. I do. I imagine that was a wonderful experience, you know, especially with the way as the server, you're so involved in the mass, you know, in the responses to the priest and like that. Yeah, so true. I find that be very beautiful part of the mass. Well, right on, Mike, and I hope you do get a chance some time to go to the Sarah Chapel. It's beautiful. As I understand, it's the only chapel still standing that St. Huneepro, Sarah, ever actually celebrated mass and all the other ones were rebuilt after they were destroyed or,

48:47you know, fell into disrepair. So check it out. Thanks, Mike. Let's go to Joanne now and you, Jersey. Good morning, Joanne. Good morning. Yes. I think I'm specimen number one because the only reason that I, one of the reasons that I went to the Latin mass is because I found the words when I read from the, you know, the English part of the Latin mass. And by the way, I went to Catholic school. So I had some Latin, but it didn't really help me. I could definitely follow, you know, the words against what the, what the priest was saying. Okay. The words were so much more, I can't, you know, they just touched your heart. They were so much more reverent to God and comforting whatever. When I go to the regular mass of the, the, the, the English mass, I find it like tongue-caged and that's what I don't understand a lot of it, you know, when I go there. I find the Latin mass much more, not piecemeal, but, you know, really, you know, really representing, you

49:50know, what you feel about God and I talk into them and I didn't find it difficult at all. Now, they get away with it all and parishers here except for one. So you'd have to go like an hour away. But I always wondered why they, why, you know, if people would read, one of the reasons they, they don't want to go is because they don't understand the Latin. And if they would see the words, read the words and try to follow it along, I think they would accept it, but would the church accept that? Would, you know, would the higher ups allow that to be, if it ever, you know, if it ever got accepted that they could do English versus Latin at matters with a allow it? I don't know. I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm 24 hours a day here. I wouldn't let, you know, I only have cats in me and you're the radio is on 24. I'm serious. But I'm sorry. No, no, no, I'm, I'm all ears. I hope the cats like the program. But I remember the prayer that I, one of the first prayers I had to learn as a, as an ultra-server back in those days,

50:51that was the sushi piat. We say it in English now, you know, may the Lord receive the sacrifice of your hands for the praising glory of his name for our blessing. So I had to memorize sushi piat, dominoes, sacrifitium, de manibus, toys, at loud, the mechlorium, nominis, nominis, sui, atulita, utilitatem, kokwe nostram, toti usque, eclasie, sui, sankte. And, yeah, never forgot it. Let me, let me give you one, T.S. I don't know, I don't know Spanish, but the man said I go to newness, Spanish, so I follow it a lot, very well. Very nice. Yes. Kibwe no. Alright, we have to go, but thank you. Until next time, I'll pray for you, please pray for me.